Top 5 Best/Worst of The 06 Draft.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

TOP 5 GOOD DRAFT PICKS
1. Matt Leinart, Arizona. Expecting to be picked in the top 3, Leinhart was visibly upset about where he fell to. But Arizon lucked out, they've got him. With Edge, Fitzgerald, Bolquin, and now Leinart this team can make a good run. Watch out for The Cardinals.
2. Chad Jackson, New England. My hometown, The Pittsburgh Steelers had a chance to get this guy and they passed. What a mistake. In my opinion, he's the best reciever in the draft, the others do not have hands like he does. A steal mid way through the 2nd round.
3. Mario Williams, Houston. Great judgement call here. They realized they wouldn't need Reggie Bush and make sure they got their man. Well done.
4. Bobby Carpenter, Dallas. I've always been a fan of his and he was a steal to get drafted late. Remember his name because this season he will do damage.
5. Reggie Bush, New Orleans. New Orleans already have a decent running game, so I'm not sure why they picked Bush. However, wherever Bush goes, success will follow, so I'm gonna disregard the fact they picked him and shouldn't, The Saints have a chance to be a decent team now.



TOP 5 BAD DRAFT PICKS
1. A.J. Hawk, Green Bay. Great player no doubt, but they needed to pick up a quarterback. I'm sure Hawk will work out but after Brett Favre's retirement, who's gonna be out there. They passed up both Leinart and Cutler. When will Green Bay finally shoot ole' Yeller?
2. Jay Cutler, Denver. Out of all the picks, this had to be the worst. Jake Plummer has always been underrated and now his own team isn't showing faith in him.
3. Tye Hill, St. Louis. Way to short to play this position, they needed many other tools to make their game work, and this was just a senseless pick.
4. Donte Whitner, Buffalo. Ummm..apprarently Buffalo doesn't need any offensive players? There have been many talks of them signing a Safety in the offseason, and yet they waste their pick to draft one early first round.
5. Vince Young, Tennessee. Good quaterback, yes, but they are planning to build their franchise around this guy. To pick with with Leinart still out there, not a good move.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Are these made by you or by someone else?

The only thing Buffalo needs on offense is a TE - and we have a possible one coming with Kevin Everett returning from an ACL injury.

We got an LG in free agency - Tutan Reyes who has started 28 of 30 games for the Panthers over the last 2 seasons.

The only glaring need is LT, and to be honest, if we didn't get D'Brickashaw Ferguson, I didn't want anyone else. The way it's going right now, it looks like a decent OT will still be on the board when we pick at #134 (1st pick of the 5th).

We needed defensive help JUST as bad. Defense wins championships, and we just shored it up, even though we reached for Whitner (I love the pick) and McCargo (I hate the pick). Ashton Yobouty in the 3rd and Ko Simpson in the 4th were two GREAT VALUE picks.

[fromwithin]

You really cant get it through your head that they got Aaron Rodgers LAST YEAR IN THE FIRST ROUND. They already have Favre's replacement. Hawk is exactly what they need to go with their defense. He's the pick they wanted and they got him.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Are these made by you or by someone else?

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Yeah, these are just my opinions, it's not done by a professional.

Philly need a good LT, you've got one. The Eagles got more of a chance then people give them, this year.

My team, The Steelers had some key losses, so I dunno..

[FondestMemory]

hawk will be one of the better players to come out of this draft, and he'll be an immediate impact player.

they just drafted a quarterback last year in the first round, picking another one this year that high would be much much worse than anything the lions have ever done. and plus, you can't believe favre, he may play for two or three more years. then you have all this money in two young quarterbacks that aren't even getting snaps. drafting leinart or cutler in that spot would have been one of the worst picks of the past 20 years.

i just don't see how hawk could be considered a bad pick.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

You really cant get it through your head that they got Aaron Rodgers LAST YEAR IN THE FIRST ROUND. They already have Favre's replacement. Hawk is exactly what they need to go with their defense. He's the pick they wanted and they got him.

Rodgers is butt.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

hawk will be one of the better players to come out of this draft, and he'll be an immediate impact player.

they just drafted a quarterback last year in the first round, picking another one this year that high would be much much worse than anything the lions have ever done. and plus, you can't believe favre, he may play for two or three more years. then you have all this money in two young quarterbacks that aren't even getting snaps. drafting leinart or cutler in that spot would have been one of the worst picks of the past 20 years.

i just don't see how hawk could be considered a bad pick.

Hawk is an excellent player, no doubt. But Rodgers is nothing, and so many good quarterbacks are out there.

Next year is gonna be what The Chargers are doing this year, dropping a QB and playing one that barely ever played Pro Ball, it's a senseless move.

[fromwithin]

Rodgers is butt.
Yeah he really sucks seeing as how he hasnt even played a real game yet. He played in one game last year, and that was only after Baltimore was blowing out the Packers. He's a work in progress, almost every rookie QB is. Oh and Jake Plummer is 31 so he'll only be playing for four to five more years god forbid the Broncos try to look to the future. Plummer's contract is also up soon.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Yeah he really sucks seeing as how he hasnt even played a real game yet. He played in one game last year, and that was only after Baltimore was blowing out the Packers. He's a work in progress, almost every rookie QB is. Oh and Jake Plummer is 31 so he'll only be playing for four to five more years.

Plummer as we both know, is underrated, yes he is started to get up there with age, but he still has time. To pick a quarterback now, when you still have one, and there are many other great players out there. Mistake. Mistake. Mistake.

[FondestMemory]

Hawk is an excellent player, no doubt. But Rodgers is nothing, and so many good quarterbacks are out there.

Next year is gonna be what The Chargers are doing this year, dropping a QB and playing one that barely ever played Pro Ball, it's a senseless move.

rodgers hasn't even been given a chance. there's no way to know he's garbage yet.

whether they draft leinart or not, next year he still doesn't have any playing time, so they're still doing what the chargers did.

putting first round money into the same position two years in a row sets your franchise back years.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Yeah he really sucks seeing as how he hasnt even played a real game yet. He played in one game last year, and that was only after Baltimore was blowing out the Packers. He's a work in progress, almost every rookie QB is. Oh and Jake Plummer is 31 so he'll only be playing for four to five more years god forbid the Broncos try to look to the future. Plummer's contract is also up soon.


I see your account is all decked out with Red and White. I am pulling for The Cards as well. Football 2006 season, here we come.

Go Steelers.

[fromwithin]

Plummer as we both know, is underrated, yes he is started to get up there with age, but he still has time. To pick a quarterback now, when you still have one, and there are many other great players out there. Mistake. Mistake. Mistake.

METAIRIE, La. -- Mike Shanahan, Jay Cutler. What a marriage.
Mike Shanahan, Jake Plummer. "Uh, Jake, we've got to talk.''
I don't blame Shanahan. He's doing mental handsprings right now. He loves quarterbacks, obviously. He entered the day with picks 15, 37, 61 and 68. He took 15 and 68 and turned them into Vanderbilt quarterback, leaving himself with picks high in the second and third rounds.
This is going to be a great, great day for the Broncos, maybe the best draft day of any team in the league. I watched some quarterback tape of players in this draft with Phil Simms last week and he raved about Cutler. Talked about his workout tape like it was one of the best workouts he'd ever seen. And Ron Jaworski ... he thought Cutler was the best quarterback in the draft. And Mike Martz ... well, Martz requested that I not quote him on Cutler, but let's just say he thinks Cutler's one of the best quarterbacks he's ever seen come out of college.
Cutler steps into a perfect situation. He's Mr. Clipboard this year. In 2007 he goes into camp challenging Plummer for the starting job. Jake's going to be 32 at the end of this year, finishing his 10th season in the NFL. Even though Shanahan really likes him for his selflessness and being such a great team guy, the coach has to recognize that Plummer makes more than the occasional mistake. Instead of committing to another contract for him, which Denver probably would have had to do after next season, now the Broncos have Plummer's heir.

[FondestMemory]

Plummer as we both know, is underrated, yes he is started to get up there with age, but he still has time. To pick a quarterback now, when you still have one, and there are many other great players out there. Mistake. Mistake. Mistake.

and to pick a quarterback for the second year in a row when you still have one isn't a mistake?

[GoWaitInTheCar]

rodgers hasn't even been given a chance. there's no way to know he's garbage yet.

whether they draft leinart or not, next year he still doesn't have any playing time, so they're still doing what the chargers did.

putting first round money into the same position two years in a row sets your franchise back years.

I agree with your philosophy, but as always, there are exceptions to the rule. I think this was one, and then they should of traded Rodgers.

[fromwithin]

I see your account is all decked out with Red and White. I am pulling for The Cards as well. Football 2006 season, here we come.

Go Steelers.

Cards win for best draft behind the Texans and Packers. The Steelers made the stupidest moves in the world and you call out the Broncos and Packers.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

METAIRIE, La. -- Mike Shanahan, Jay Cutler. What a marriage.
Mike Shanahan, Jake Plummer. "Uh, Jake, we've got to talk.''
I don't blame Shanahan. He's doing mental handsprings right now. He loves quarterbacks, obviously. He entered the day with picks 15, 37, 61 and 68. He took 15 and 68 and turned them into Vanderbilt quarterback, leaving himself with picks high in the second and third rounds.
This is going to be a great, great day for the Broncos, maybe the best draft day of any team in the league. I watched some quarterback tape of players in this draft with Phil Simms last week and he raved about Cutler. Talked about his workout tape like it was one of the best workouts he'd ever seen. And Ron Jaworski ... he thought Cutler was the best quarterback in the draft. And Mike Martz ... well, Martz requested that I not quote him on Cutler, but let's just say he thinks Cutler's one of the best quarterbacks he's ever seen come out of college.
Cutler steps into a perfect situation. He's Mr. Clipboard this year. In 2007 he goes into camp challenging Plummer for the starting job. Jake's going to be 32 at the end of this year, finishing his 10th season in the NFL. Even though Shanahan really likes him for his selflessness and being such a great team guy, the coach has to recognize that Plummer makes more than the occasional mistake. Instead of committing to another contract for him, which Denver probably would have had to do after next season, now the Broncos have Plummer's heir.

Jake is a good guy, but he got screwed. I'm gonna make my AbsoluteJake banner right now. Cutler will be good, but it wasn't a good franchise move.

[fromwithin]

Jake is a good guy, but he got screwed. I'm gonna make my AbsoluteJake banner right now. Cutler will be good, but it wasn't a good franchise move.

He has a career 75.1 QB rating and you say he's underrated. The Broncos know he's not an incredible QB so they did their research and drafted a guy who has potential to be. They dont want to give him another contract as it said in the article so they made the perfect move. What should they have taken? They never need running backs, they have ashley lelie, rod smith, and javon walker now for receivers. Their O-line is pretty young except for a couple guys. Who would you have taken.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

You've gotta draft players that are going to help your franchise, plain and simple. Not draft best available and then build your team around that.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

He has a career 75.1 QB rating and you say he's underrated. The Broncos know he's not an incredible QB so they did their research and drafted a guy who has potential to be. They dont want to give him another contract as it said in the article so they made the perfect move. What should they have taken? They never need running backs, they have ashley lelie, rod smith, and javon walker now for receivers. Their O-line is pretty young except for a couple guys. Who would you have taken.

DE Wimbley from Florida St, either that or go with the risky pick of DB Cromartie.

[FondestMemory]

You've gotta draft players that are going to help your franchise, plain and simple. Not draft best available and then build your team around that.

you're argument for why the broncos pick was bad contradicts the argument for green bay being a bad pick.

green bay drafted somebody that will help them immediately. and didn't draft the best available to build their team around.

[fromwithin]

You've gotta draft players that are going to help your franchise, plain and simple. Not draft best available and then build your team around that.

How is having your training the guy who will be your starting QB in two years not helping the franchise? Your doing too much comparison to the Chargers. They went after who they needed. They will need Cutler and he's rated very high and they loved him so they took him.

Let's talk about the Steelers and how they wasted their picks on garbage.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Bobby Carpenter who went to Dallas was still available as well, he's excellent at what he does. I'm surprised he didn't get picked higher. Denver doesn't exactly need an OLB, but he they could of used him. 6'3 255. Not to big, but big enough to be "big"

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Let's talk about the Steelers and how they wasted their picks on garbage.

No. It's a weak spot for me. :(

[fromwithin]

DE Wimbley from Florida St, either that or go with the risky pick of DB Cromartie.

theyve drafted three DB's so far this year. They also have another corner named Champ Bailey, I dont know if he rings a bell. For DE's theyve got Courtney Brown and Ebenzer Ekuban who theyre still working with and they had 6 sacks between the both of them. Not explosive but theyre also a work in progress from Cleveland.

[FondestMemory]

Let's talk about the Steelers and how they wasted their picks on garbage.

you mean let's talk about the team you hate and really reach for chances to criticize, who addressed their biggest needs on the first day and still have 6 picks left today.

[ides of march]

Pats drafted well, filled their needs with Maroney, C. Jackson and Bruce Gradkowski to replace Vinatieri. The 49ers also did a good job, giving Alex Smith a great tight end weapon, AND a great defensive player in Lawson. I have to disagree with you, getting Cutler was a great choice. He will learn from Plummer, and develop into a great qb.

[fromwithin]

Bobby Carpenter who went to Dallas was still available as well, he's excellent at what he does. I'm surprised he didn't get picked higher. Denver doesn't exactly need an OLB, but he they could of used him. 6'3 255. Not to big, but big enough to be "big"

Ian Gold, 90 tackles, 3 sacks, 4 Forced fumbles last year.

Al Wilson, 73 tackles 3 sacks and 2 FF last year.

Kenard Lang, 41 tackles 2 sacks last year.

Those are their linebackers. Got anymore picks?

[fromwithin]

you mean let's talk about the team you hate and really reach for chances to criticize, who addressed their biggest needs on the first day and still have 6 picks left today.

yet the raiders have darnell bing AND michael huff. hmm. :unsure:

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

yet the raiders have darnell bing AND michael huff. hmm. :unsure:
I think Huff's going to move to CB.

He's got the speed and the skills, and even though he was a S at Texas, I guarantee he's a better CB than the two clowns they have starting there right now. (Remember Charles Woodson walked away - FINALLY, and they traded the other starter - Philip Buchanon before last year's draft)

[FondestMemory]

yet the raiders have darnell bing AND michael huff. hmm. :unsure:

michael huff went extremely early. there was no way they were getting that high. they had a chance at bing, but they went with another safety. and they know much more about evaluating talent than either one of us, so i don't see how you can throw that out there. especially considering bing dropped to the fourth round, so it's not like the steelers were the only ones that noticed something they didn't like.

not to mention, bing played strong safety in college and they need a free safety. the guy they drafted played free safety, so he'll be more ready to play that position than teaching it to bing.

they draft very well. and they addressed their main needs and still left a ton of picks to work with.

so you can reach and reach and reach and make up whatever you want, you're not going to get me to believe the nonsensical idea that the steelers are having a bad draft.

[fromwithin]

michael huff went extremely early. there was no way they were getting that high. they had a chance at bing, but they went with another safety. and they know much more about evaluating talent than either one of us, so i don't see how you can throw that out there. especially considering bing dropped to the fourth round, so it's not like the steelers were the only ones that noticed something they didn't like.

not to mention, bing played strong safety in college and they need a free safety. the guy they drafted played free safety, so he'll be more ready to play that position than teaching it to bing.

they draft very well. and they addressed their main needs and still left a ton of picks to work with.

so you can reach and reach and reach and make up whatever you want, you're not going to get me to believe the nonsensical idea that the steelers are having a bad draft.
donte whitner went 8th, you think that was a great pick as well? teams make mistakes and the steelers have sure had their share of them over the years, COUGH troy edwards COUGH. there are things called steals in the draft while there are also busts COUGH alonzo jackson COUGH. We'll see what happens come gametime.

Theyll never be able to forgive themselves for not taking lendale white either. just wait.

[fromwithin]

well gowaitinthecar you really need to shut your mouth about denver now, considering they just got elvis dumervil at the end of the fourth round.

[fromwithin]

Theyve had an excellent draft so far. I'd say the 5 winners so far are:

Arizona
Houston
Green Bay
Oakland
San Fransisco

[histrionics22]

donte whitner went 8th, you think that was a great pick as well? teams make mistakes and the steelers have sure had their share of them over the years, COUGH troy edwards COUGH. there are things called steals in the draft while there are also busts COUGH alonzo jackson COUGH. We'll see what happens come gametime.

Theyll never be able to forgive themselves for not taking lendale white either. just wait.

And with the busts, they make up for them with late round finds. COUGH Hines Ward 4th Round COUGH, COUGH Willie Parker Undrafted COUGH COUGH Chris Hope 4th Round COUGH COUGH Clark Haggans a former DE COUGH. Shut up.

[FondestMemory]

donte whitner went 8th, you think that was a great pick as well? teams make mistakes and the steelers have sure had their share of them over the years, COUGH troy edwards COUGH. there are things called steals in the draft while there are also busts COUGH alonzo jackson COUGH. We'll see what happens come gametime.

Theyll never be able to forgive themselves for not taking lendale white either. just wait.

where does this shit come from? when did i ever mention whitner? what the fuck does he have to do with anything. i think he'll be a good player, but i think they could have traded down and got him later. but still, i don't see the relevance to him having anything to do with pittsburgh.

and i hate to break it to ya, but every team has their share of mistakes and busts. no team is perfect, ever.

but to try to say that the steelers don't know what they're doing come draft time is one of the dumbest statements i've heard. considering 17 of the 22 steeler starters in the super bowl were all drafted by the team. and that doesn't even count willie parker, who wasn't even drafted, but was signed as an undrafted fa.

and i don't need to wait, cause it's already forgiven that lendale wasn't taken. i don't know what's so hard to understand about the fact that they didn't need him. why pay first round money to a player you don't need when you can fill a need in the first round instead? your logic makes no sense. and i hate to break it to you, but the steelers aren't the only team that didn't pick lendale. so having that as your main argument why they're not having a good draft really adds no weight to the points you're reaching to make.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

where does this shit come from? when did i ever mention whitner? what the fuck does he have to do with anything. i think he'll be a good player, but i think they could have traded down and got him later. but still, i don't see the relevance to him having anything to do with pittsburgh.

and i hate to break it to ya, but every team has their share of mistakes and busts. no team is perfect, ever.

but to try to say that the steelers don't know what they're doing come draft time is one of the dumbest statements i've heard. considering 17 of the 22 steeler starters in the super bowl were all drafted by the team. and that doesn't even count willie parker, who wasn't even drafted, but was signed as an undrafted fa.

and i don't need to wait, cause it's already forgiven that lendale wasn't taken. i don't know what's so hard to understand about the fact that they didn't need him. why pay first round money to a player you don't need when you can fill a need in the first round instead? your logic makes no sense. and i hate to break it to you, but the steelers aren't the only team that didn't pick lendale. so having that as your main argument why they're not having a good draft really adds no weight to the points you're reaching to make.
LIKE OMG 30 other teams besides the Steelers passed over LenDale!

PS...I'm on your side, I don't get his logic

[mikeford]

the patriots deserve an F. the first 2 picks were good. everything else... horrendous. no one on defense... really? its the 5th round and we havent taken a single player on fucking defense?

bill belicheck is asleep at the wheel and the team is going off a cliff.

[histrionics22]

Cards win for best draft behind the Texans and Packers. The Steelers made the stupidest moves in the world and you call out the Broncos and Packers.

The fact that the Steelers biggest loss this season was Randle El and they replaced him with what some people had rated as the best WR is so dumb. I mean, what were they thinking?

[fromwithin]

The fact that the Steelers biggest loss this season was Randle El and they replaced him with what some people had rated as the best WR is so dumb. I mean, what were they thinking?

paying first round money to a #3 receiver and kick returner. that is a mistake.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

the patriots deserve an F. the first 2 picks were good. everything else... horrendous. no one on defense... really? its the 5th round and we havent taken a single player on fucking defense?

bill belicheck is asleep at the wheel and the team is going off a cliff.
Yeah for real.

They got a TE, slightly undersized, with David Thomas. They got a FB or an H-back with Garrett Mills - he's only 6'1, there's NO way he's a true TE in the NFL.

Then a Kicker?

And is Ryan O'Callaghan going to be a G or a T in the NFL?

[FondestMemory]

paying first round money to a #3 receiver and kick returner. that is a mistake.

when you're biggest hole is a #3 receiver and kick returner, no it's not.

paying first round money to a fourth string running back with a torn hamstring and work ethic issues, that's a mistake.

[histrionics22]

paying first round money to a #3 receiver and kick returner. that is a mistake.

Randle El got more money and he's not even deserving of a #3. Give me a break. He was the best WR in the draft. He will be the number 2 eventually. The Steelers dont need superstar receivers.

[mikeford]

i dont even know. i wanted darnell bing so fuckin bad, this is gayyyyyyyyyyyy

[fromwithin]

Randle El got more money and he's not even deserving of a #3. Give me a break. He was the best WR in the draft. He will be the number 2 eventually. The Steelers dont need superstar receivers.

that is true. they have no superstars whatsoever on the team. thats why i wanted white so bad. i wanted them to get an offensive guy who's cocky and talks shit all the time, but backs it up. I still dont understand the logic in getting wilson. He's not a good WR at all. Randle El and Burress both were able to go because they went for the money not the team. The steelers can let them go because they dont have superstars on their team. Its true in all Pittsburgh sports, when a guy has a great year and he's due for a contract, we let him go every time. I'm just bitter because they didnt take white, he is not a 4th string RB, just watch his stats this year if the titans are smart and let him start.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i dont even know. i wanted darnell bing so fuckin bad, this is gayyyyyyyyyyyy

Randall?

...So are you disappointed that your starting CB's won't be named "Gay" and "Yobouty" next season?

[mikeford]

to a degree, yes.

though truthfully asante samuel starts anyway.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

It would have been amusing to hear though, right?

[FondestMemory]

that is true. they have no superstars whatsoever on the team. thats why i wanted white so bad. i wanted them to get an offensive guy who's cocky and talks shit all the time, but backs it up. I still dont understand the logic in getting wilson. He's not a good WR at all. Randle El and Burress both were able to go because they went for the money not the team. The steelers can let them go because they dont have superstars on their team. Its true in all Pittsburgh sports, when a guy has a great year and he's due for a contract, we let him go every time. I'm just bitter because they didnt take white, he is not a 4th string RB, just watch his stats this year if the titans are smart and let him start.

and letting players go who want the money not the team has worked out well for them. you don't want them to spend money on a first round pick who fills needs, but you want them to pay players they can survive without who don't fit the steeler mold? that makes no sense.

and if i remember right from the season, don't you hate joey porter? i could be wrong there, but i think i remember you hating him. and now you're upset that they didn't pick a player that you wanted to do the same thing as joey porter, but on offense instead.

i understand, you like white. that's fine. but running back isn't a need the team needed to use a high pick on. and for openly hating this team, you seem to be taking it extremely hard.

[histrionics22]

that is true. they have no superstars whatsoever on the team. thats why i wanted white so bad. i wanted them to get an offensive guy who's cocky and talks shit all the time, but backs it up. I still dont understand the logic in getting wilson. He's not a good WR at all. Randle El and Burress both were able to go because they went for the money not the team. The steelers can let them go because they dont have superstars on their team. Its true in all Pittsburgh sports, when a guy has a great year and he's due for a contract, we let him go every time. I'm just bitter because they didnt take white, he is not a 4th string RB, just watch his stats this year if the titans are smart and let him start.

You're an idiot. The Steelers used to let the stars go years ago. Now they are smart and keep the ones that are worthy of being paid (Ward, Faneca, Hampton, Porter). White is a split time back. A back like that can easily be taken in the later rounds. This is especially true if RB is NOT A NEED THIS YEAR. Wilson didn't play well early but picked it up later in the year. Everyone knew he wasn't replacing Burress. Wilson had more TDs in the playoffs last year than Burress had catches. Burress wasnt worth the money. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

[dekdog11]

Vince Young is not a bad pick.
AJ Hawk might be the most solid player in this draft, there is no way that is a bad pick, IMO.

[itsjdiggity]

Vince Young will step on your ass, then score a TD

[mikeford]

Vince Young will step on your ass, then score a TD

injured by week 3.

[FondestMemory]

Vince Young will step on your ass, then score a TD

i think you've got him confused with marcus vick. and you've got scoring a td confused with pulling a gun on some teens at mcdonalds.

[itsjdiggity]

Vince Young is not a bad pick.
AJ Hawk might be the most solid player in this draft, there is no way that is a bad pick, IMO.

:amen:

[itsjdiggity]

i think you've got him confused with marcus vick. and you've got scoring a td confused with pulling a gun on some teens at mcdonalds.

http://www.jefflane.org/archives/vick-stomp.jpg

[lanolynn]

injured by week 3.is he gonna get taken out on the sidelines or somehting because i'm pretty sure he won't be on the field week 3.

[LeftWideOpen]

hawk will be one of the better players to come out of this draft, and he'll be an immediate impact player.

they just drafted a quarterback last year in the first round, picking another one this year that high would be much much worse than anything the lions have ever done. and plus, you can't believe favre, he may play for two or three more years. then you have all this money in two young quarterbacks that aren't even getting snaps. drafting leinart or cutler in that spot would have been one of the worst picks of the past 20 years.

i just don't see how hawk could be considered a bad pick.

Completely agree. Him, Williams, Bush and Ferguson were clearly the 4 players above everyone else in terms of talent + low-risk factor. Hawk to GB makes great sense.

Bobby Carpenter who went to Dallas was still available as well, he's excellent at what he does. I'm surprised he didn't get picked higher. Denver doesn't exactly need an OLB, but he they could of used him. 6'3 255. Not to big, but big enough to be "big"

Carpenter at 18 was the 2nd biggest reach of the 1st round, behind only Whitner at #8. He's a solid LB who will never shine and Dallas would have been much bettter off going w/ Lawson, whose potential far exceeds Carpenter's.

the patriots deserve an F. the first 2 picks were good. everything else... horrendous. no one on defense... really? its the 5th round and we havent taken a single player on fucking defense?

bill belicheck is asleep at the wheel and the team is going off a cliff.

Please .. you are such a drama whore it's out of control. Would a DB have been nice? Yes, but there was no reason to choose a LB since this was such a weak class for them. We arent getting any younger at the position but we can wait a year for a better class of them.

[ThriftWhore]

I'll never say a receiver from Florida(Chad Jackson) is a good draft pick until he performs on the field. It's a crapshoot, it's like drafting a QB from Miami. But I do like the Pats getting Maroney from Minnesota, he should do well in their offense once Dillion breaks down.

I think the Jets had an incredible draft, they have their O-line solidified for the next decade now to protect the statues they have at QB. But the Titans stole the show, Young and Lendale White? They're gonna be dangerous in a few years.

[mikeford]

Please .. you are such a drama whore it's out of control. Would a DB have been nice? Yes, but there was no reason to choose a LB since this was such a weak class for them. We arent getting any younger at the position but we can wait a year for a better class of them.

ya dude. taking that TE at 3rd round instead of darnell bing is defendable at all.

oh wait no.

[mikeford]

I'll never say a receiver from Florida(Chad Jackson) is a good draft pick until he performs on the field. It's a crapshoot, it's like drafting a QB from Miami. But I do like the Pats getting Maroney from Minnesota, he should do well in their offense once Dillion breaks down.

I think the Jets had an incredible draft, they have their O-line solidified for the next decade now to protect the statues they have at QB. But the Titans stole the show, Young and Lendale White? They're gonna be dangerous in a few years.

young is gonna be balls in the NFL and lendale white was actually gaining weight before my eyes during his interview on day 1.

[Trainsaw]

so did Marcus Vick get drafted??

[histrionics22]

young is gonna be balls in the NFL and lendale white was actually gaining weight before my eyes during his interview on day 1.

Lendale is so overrated its absurd.

[cahrishurr]

so did Marcus Vick get drafted??

i dont think so

and i think anyone who takes a chance on him even in free agency is crazy

[Trainsaw]

he was saying he was the 2nd best QB in the draft....apparently he's the only one who thinks so.

[preppyak]

he was saying he was the 2nd best QB in the draft....apparently he's the only one who thinks so.
haha, further proof that his heightened sense of self is a problem

[dekdog11]

I'll never say a receiver from Florida(Chad Jackson) is a good draft pick until he performs on the field. It's a crapshoot, it's like drafting a QB from Miami. But I do like the Pats getting Maroney from Minnesota, he should do well in their offense once Dillion breaks down.

I think the Jets had an incredible draft, they have their O-line solidified for the next decade now to protect the statues they have at QB. But the Titans stole the show, Young and Lendale White? They're gonna be dangerous in a few years.

Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde, Bernie Kosar...I hardly consider that a crapshoot.
I know everyone likes to hate on Miami...and they did have their share of bad quarterbacks, but I take offense to that comment because those are some solid ones. :)

[Flags of Dawn]

Hawk is an excellent player, no doubt. But Rodgers is nothing, and so many good quarterbacks are out there.

Next year is gonna be what The Chargers are doing this year, dropping a QB and playing one that barely ever played Pro Ball, it's a senseless move.
who are they going to be dropping? favre? yeah ok. keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

[Drew Beringer]

wow, Hawk is exactly what the Packers needed. And no one knows how well Rodgers is going to end up, he hasn't had teh chance, as mentioned earlier. Hell, Leinart still has teh chance of being a bust too. Hawk, along with Ferguson, is the safest pick in the draft as he is the next Urlacher and can be a future Hall Of Famer.

[Scott Weber]

TOP 5 GOOD DRAFT PICKS
1. Matt Leinart, Arizona. Expecting to be picked in the top 3, Leinhart was visibly upset about where he fell to. But Arizon lucked out, they've got him. With Edge, Fitzgerald, Bolquin, and now Leinart this team can make a good run. Watch out for The Cardinals.
2. Chad Jackson, New England. My hometown, The Pittsburgh Steelers had a chance to get this guy and they passed. What a mistake. In my opinion, he's the best reciever in the draft, the others do not have hands like he does. A steal mid way through the 2nd round.
3. Mario Williams, Houston. Great judgement call here. They realized they wouldn't need Reggie Bush and make sure they got their man. Well done.
4. Bobby Carpenter, Dallas. I've always been a fan of his and he was a steal to get drafted late. Remember his name because this season he will do damage.
5. Reggie Bush, New Orleans. New Orleans already have a decent running game, so I'm not sure why they picked Bush. However, wherever Bush goes, success will follow, so I'm gonna disregard the fact they picked him and shouldn't, The Saints have a chance to be a decent team now.



TOP 5 BAD DRAFT PICKS
1. A.J. Hawk, Green Bay. Great player no doubt, but they needed to pick up a quarterback. I'm sure Hawk will work out but after Brett Favre's retirement, who's gonna be out there. They passed up both Leinart and Cutler. When will Green Bay finally shoot ole' Yeller?
2. Jay Cutler, Denver. Out of all the picks, this had to be the worst. Jake Plummer has always been underrated and now his own team isn't showing faith in him.
3. Tye Hill, St. Louis. Way to short to play this position, they needed many other tools to make their game work, and this was just a senseless pick.
4. Donte Whitner, Buffalo. Ummm..apprarently Buffalo doesn't need any offensive players? There have been many talks of them signing a Safety in the offseason, and yet they waste their pick to draft one early first round.
5. Vince Young, Tennessee. Good quaterback, yes, but they are planning to build their franchise around this guy. To pick with with Leinart still out there, not a good move.

I disagree with a good chunk of your post, man. First of all...Jake Plummer, underrated? His entire career? This is a guy that failed to get above a QB rating of 79 for the first 6 years of his career...including years of 50.8, 66.0, and 65.7....come on, now. Plummer had a good year last year, but in my mind the guy is a born choke artist who won't even escape it. Plus, he's getting older and while I don't like Cutler I understand the pick.

I like the Vince Young pick. You've got a team that's built around another tough, scrambling quarterback in McNair, so the transition to Young really won't be that bad. Plus, if McNair comes back, Young will most certainly learn a lot from him.

But going back to the comment about Bush...are you serious? You don't know why the Saints drafted him? Fuck man, TRADE McAllister, Bush could be the next Barry Sanders...and if not, you trade him - plus, he's insanely marketable, the most exciting player in the draft, it puts butts in seats in the stadiums and you get the possibilty of having the next great superstar in the NFL. The Texans are idiots for passing up Bush, and they'll be kicking themselves in 3 years when Bush hits 3000 all-purpose yards and Mario Williams gets 8 sacks a year. If there's a player of Bush's caliber that high in the draft, you don't pass him up. You take him, and figure out your other needs later. Sign somebody.

[Scott Weber]

Lendale is so overrated its absurd.
I think Lendale is a very capable back, he could become a huge 2nd round steal.

[Drew Beringer]

I think Lendale is a very capable back, he could become a huge 2nd round steal.

I agree, and now he is playing with a huge chip on his shoulder.

[bigmike]

mario williams is overrated. dude didn't really dominate until his final part of his senior year. and all this talk of him being julius peppers is ridiculous and should stop. let's just starting calling him courtney brown right now. Ask Cleveland how drafting a DE 1st overall worked out.

I hope reggie bush makes houston look absolutely retarded.

Vernon Davis would be the best player in this draft, but he's got alex smith throwing him the ball.

Brodie Croyle very well could be the best QB taken in the draft when it's all said and done.

And just because the lions didn't draft a WR doesn't mean we probably wont' find a place for Ernie Sims in the slot or something. don't put that past matt millen.

[bigmike]

I agree, and now he is playing with a huge chip on his shoulder.
and an enormous gut, as well.

I'm not completely sold on him yet.

[itsjdiggity]

Lendale White will wreck people

[bigmike]

he was saying he was the 2nd best QB in the draft....apparently he's the only one who thinks so.
he also said that when he's done playing football, he'll have more passing yards than Michael Vick.

[bigmike]

Lendale White will wreck people
LenDale white, possibly.
but i wouldn't be too stoked on having Vince Young as you're franchise QB in the works.

[FondestMemory]

that is by far the best signature i've ever seen.

kudos to you sir, kudos to you.

[itsjdiggity]

LenDale white, possibly.
but i wouldn't be too stoked on having Vince Young as you're franchise QB in the works.

black people and their capitalization

[histrionics22]

I agree, and now he is playing with a huge chip on his shoulder.

We'll see if that can motivate him. Apparently the prospect of being a 1st round pick and making a lot of money wasn't too good.

[Jess7286]

LenDale White didn't get picked until late second round. AND, he got picked by his old coach Norm Chow. Marcedes Lewis at least got picked in the first round.

As for Leinart, as a quarterback, he was not stunning this year. Reggie Bush was. And, they didn't win the Championship this year, so picking Vince, who almost single-handedly told the Trojans to fuck off, was a much better choice than Leinart. His face during the draft was great. He looked like he was going to cry.

[FondestMemory]

LenDale White didn't get picked until late second round. AND, he got picked by his old coach Norm Chow. Marcedes Lewis at least got picked in the first round.

As for Leinart, as a quarterback, he was not stunning this year. Reggie Bush was. And, they didn't win the Championship this year, so picking Vince, who almost single-handedly told the Trojans to fuck off, was a much better choice than Leinart. His face during the draft was great. He looked like he was going to cry.

leinart will be a much much better pro than vince young. there's no doubt about that.

and how many ucla players got drafted compared to usc?

[Jess7286]

leinart will be a much much better pro than vince young. there's no doubt about that.

and how many ucla players got drafted compared to usc?

Hey, hold that thought. Dorrell is just starting to piece the team together. We'll see five-star Ben Olson play this year. All I was saying is that LenDale White thought too highly of himself. He declared that he was going into the draft way before Reggie and Reggie was clearly the better RB. And, we'll just see how Leinart does. I didn't even know Arizona had a football team so now we'll see just how they do. If Vince restructures his game and throws more than he runs, he'll get better and better. I have faith in the stupid man.

[Vincewithouthee]

I'm happy with the Steelers draft now.

We got Holmes and Willie Reid. I'm kinda iffy on Anthony Smith, but he must be good if the Steelers took him. I love the Omar Jacobs pick as well. The other picks were right as well.

[FondestMemory]

Hey, hold that thought. Dorrell is just starting to piece the team together. We'll see five-star Ben Olson play this year. All I was saying is that LenDale White thought too highly of himself. He declared that he was going into the draft way before Reggie and Reggie was clearly the better RB. And, we'll just see how Leinart does. I didn't even know Arizona had a football team so now we'll see just how they do. If Vince restructures his game and throws more than he runs, he'll get better and better. I have faith in the stupid man.

throwing more than he runs is the least of his problems.

throwing the ball sidearm gives him the release of somebody who's 5-11. let's see how many defensive lineman he can easily get it over.

he doesn't use his backfoot when he throws. let's see if he can get the kind of velocity and accuracy he needs against pro defenses with all his weight on the front foot.

let's see if he has the patience and the ability to make more than two quick reads before taking off. and let's see how he does when his line doesn't give him 6 seconds to throw everybody he drops back.

oh, and let's see how he does under center and not in the shotgun 90% of the time.

so, we'll see.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

yet the raiders have darnell bing AND michael huff. hmm. :unsure:

What steals they were..

I'm jealous of The Raiders Draft. I wouldn't be if we would of drafted Chad Jackson instead Holmes.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I'm happy with the Steelers draft now.

We got Holmes and Willie Reid. I'm kinda iffy on Anthony Smith, but he must be good if the Steelers took him. I love the Omar Jacobs pick as well. The other picks were right as well.

You like Holmes better then Jackson?

[FondestMemory]

I'm happy with the Steelers draft now.

We got Holmes and Willie Reid. I'm kinda iffy on Anthony Smith, but he must be good if the Steelers took him. I love the Omar Jacobs pick as well. The other picks were right as well.

agreed. great draft. holmes and reid will help immediately. anthony smith too, there's a reason they drafted him, even if we don't see it. omar gives them an excellent athlete they can play with, and sures up qb three deep. and the defensive tackle was a bargain, he's gonna be good. an extra tight end who's huge, and some depth at o line. i just wish they'd have went with the olb vaughn with their last pick, but humes was the best player available, so i don't fault them.

excellent draft. not one pick am i disappointed in.

[FondestMemory]

You like Holmes better then Jackson?

i do, by a long shot.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

LenDale white, possibly.
but i wouldn't be too stoked on having Vince Young as you're franchise QB in the works.

Though Tennesse ended up with a good draft, Young needs to prove to me he's franchise material.

[Vincewithouthee]

You like Holmes better then Jackson?

Yeah I do. Jackson has better hands, but I like Holmes much better as a player and as a person. I love the guy, he's great. He's better for the Steelers in my opinion.

Plus I hate the Gators and like the Buckeyes. ;)

[Scott Weber]

GoWaitInTheCar, answer my comment on your picks dammit, I want to hear you argue how Jake Plummer has been always overrated

[bigmike]

throwing more than he runs is the least of his problems.

throwing the ball sidearm gives him the release of somebody who's 5-11. let's see how many defensive lineman he can easily get it over.

he doesn't use his backfoot when he throws. let's see if he can get the kind of velocity and accuracy he needs against pro defenses with all his weight on the front foot.

let's see if he has the patience and the ability to make more than two quick reads before taking off. and let's see how he does when his line doesn't give him 6 seconds to throw everybody he drops back.

oh, and let's see how he does under center and not in the shotgun 90% of the time.

so, we'll see.
But! he beat USC! OMGZ!

I hate that argument for vince young. cool, he beat USC who didn't play their best game, and still had a shot at winning. Vince Young is a poor mans Michael Vick. he's not nearly as fast nor does he have as strong of an arm. he's possibly more accurate, but that's not saying much considering he's still a bad NFL QB. I see absolutely nothing in his game that tells me he could succeed as a quarterback.

I think Matt leinart will only be a good QB, not worthy of a top 10 draft pick, when it's all said and done. He won't be bad, but he won't be an elite QB either.

[FondestMemory]

But! he beat USC! OMGZ!

I hate that argument for vince young. cool, he beat USC who didn't play their best game, and still had a shot at winning. Vince Young is a poor mans Michael Vick. he's not nearly as fast nor does he have as strong of an arm. he's possibly more accurate, but that's not saying much considering he's still a bad NFL QB. I see absolutely nothing in his game that tells me he could succeed as a quarterback.

I think Matt leinart will only be a good QB, not worthy of a top 10 draft pick, when it's all said and done. He won't be bad, but he won't be an elite QB either.

don't get me wrong, vince young in the rose bowl is one of the best individual performances i've ever seen in a college game, i won't take that away from him.

but, there's too much work to be done on stuff that may not be fixable to invest your future in him. i think he's more of a project than a top 5 pick. he'll never be any better than mediocre.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

GoWaitInTheCar, answer my comment on your picks dammit, I want to hear you argue how Jake Plummer has been always overrated

My bad.

I didn't see you comment and then I left the thread.

He was a good pick and everyone was excited about him in Arizona, and well, he didn't pan out there right away. Everyone gave up on him as he had some mediocre seasons. But towards the end of his journey there, he started to perform. Everyone already gave up on him so they gave him away to Denver. As soon as he arrived at Denver he got them to playoffs and this past year, he almost made it to The Super Bowl. He beat the odds, he never had doubt in himself and he accepted criticism and marched forward. He's there man, and they're selling him out. That's why he's always been underrated.

Sorry for the late comment, comment back when you read this.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I disagree with a good chunk of your post, man. First of all...Jake Plummer, underrated? His entire career? This is a guy that failed to get above a QB rating of 79 for the first 6 years of his career...including years of 50.8, 66.0, and 65.7....come on, now. Plummer had a good year last year, but in my mind the guy is a born choke artist who won't even escape it. Plus, he's getting older and while I don't like Cutler I understand the pick.

I like the Vince Young pick. You've got a team that's built around another tough, scrambling quarterback in McNair, so the transition to Young really won't be that bad. Plus, if McNair comes back, Young will most certainly learn a lot from him.

But going back to the comment about Bush...are you serious? You don't know why the Saints drafted him? Fuck man, TRADE McAllister, Bush could be the next Barry Sanders...and if not, you trade him - plus, he's insanely marketable, the most exciting player in the draft, it puts butts in seats in the stadiums and you get the possibilty of having the next great superstar in the NFL. The Texans are idiots for passing up Bush, and they'll be kicking themselves in 3 years when Bush hits 3000 all-purpose yards and Mario Williams gets 8 sacks a year. If there's a player of Bush's caliber that high in the draft, you don't pass him up. You take him, and figure out your other needs later. Sign somebody.


I recognize that Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both excellent players. Hell, they were in the national championship last year. Success will follow Bush wherever he goes, no doubt. But it just a shame, as I talked about before, coaches selling out their players. Plummer and McAllister have panned out, only to get replaced. It doesn't show respect and it doesn't show trust. Without trust, a coach, in my eyes, isn't a good person. He's all about business, he's not about having faith in his team doing what he "knows" they can.

As for Hawk, He's gonna be a great player. But Brett Favre is old, he just needs to let go. I like the guy, I have much respect for him, but we all know Leinart will do better then Favre next year.

[bigmike]

My bad.

I didn't see you comment and then I left the thread.

He was a good pick and everyone was excited about him in Arizona, and well, he didn't pan out there right away. Every gave up on him as he has some mediocre seasons. But towards the end of his journey there, he started to perform. Everyone already gave up on him so they gave him away to Denver. As soon as he arrived at Denver he got them to playoffs and this past year, he almost made it to The Super Bowl. He beat the odds, he never had doubt in himself and he accepted criticism and marched forward. He's there man, and they're selling him out. That's why he's always been underrated.

Sorry for the late comment, comment back when you read this.
i don't think they're selling him out. it's not like Cutler's coming in and going to start right away. he can sit for a year or two and then they can move forward with a younger guy. he's 32 right now, so even if you sit cutler for 2-3 years he'll be 34 or 35 and they can move on then. it's called setting yourself up to be good in the future.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

i don't think they're selling him out. it's not like Cutler's coming in and going to start right away. he can sit for a year or two and then they can move forward with a younger guy. he's 32 right now, so even if you sit cutler for 2-3 years he'll be 34 or 35 and they can move on then. it's called setting yourself up to be good in the future.

Well on ESPN.com they were talking about "The Talk" between Shannahan and Plummer. He explained to him Cutler will be filling in for him if he slips and Plummer said he understood and understands why Denver would do that.

Regardless, it would just make me feel like crap knowing what I did for a team won't matter. They already have a replacement if I make a couple mistakes. It's just not cool in my book. But I do understand of planning for the future, but I think this pick had both of our opinions in mind.

[bigmike]

Well on ESPN.com they were talking about "The Talk" between Shannahan and Plummer. He explained to him Cutler will be filling in for him if he slips and Plummer said he understood and understands why Denver would do that.

Regardless, it would just make me feel like crap knowing what I did for a team won't matter. They already have a replacement if I make a couple mistakes. It's just not cool in my book. But I do understand of planning for the future, but I think this pick had both of our opinions in mind.
yeah. but it's a business, there's always someone waiting for you to slip up. as it should be.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

yeah. but it's a business, there's always someone waiting for you to slip up. as it should be.

Though you are probably correct, I wish it wasn't so. I am a firm believer of establishing relationships while in business and if a player did well for me, I wouldn't try to force him out or replace him.

But as they say never mix personal relationships with business.

[ThriftWhore]

Though you are probably correct, I wish it wasn't so. I am a firm believer of establishing relationships while in business and if a player did well for me, I wouldn't try to force him out or replace him.

But as they say never mix personal relationships with business.
Exactly. I mean, sometimes there is class where a GM sends a player to somewhere at the end of his career for a chance to win a championship(Malone to the Lakers, etc), but most of the time it's a cold-hearted business. That's the biggest cliche now you hear out of all people who play professional sports, is that it's a business first, and they're right.

[bigmike]

Exactly. I mean, sometimes there is class where a GM sends a player to somewhere at the end of his career for a chance to win a championship(Malone to the Lakers, etc), but most of the time it's a cold-hearted business. That's the biggest cliche now you hear out of all people who play professional sports, is that it's a business first, and they're right.
they're not pushing plummer out the door. and i think he'd have to bomb or get injured for cutler to see the field regularly. they're just planing for the future. and i'm not crying to plummer who'll be "pushed" out of denver with millions of dollars.

[mikeford]

Vernon Davis would be the best player in this draft, but he's got alex smith throwing him the ball.

at least his lame duck passes will only have to go about 5 or 10 yards down the field, as opposed to 15-20 yards down field. hahaha.

[bigmike]

at least his lame duck passes will only have to go about 5 or 10 yards down the field, as opposed to 15-20 yards down field. hahaha.
haha.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Exactly. I mean, sometimes there is class where a GM sends a player to somewhere at the end of his career for a chance to win a championship(Malone to the Lakers, etc), but most of the time it's a cold-hearted business. That's the biggest cliche now you hear out of all people who play professional sports, is that it's a business first, and they're right.

I'm glad you see my mind of this. If Green Bay drafted Leinhart, I'd understand. Cause it was understood Favre is retiring. Plummer isn't. He still has 4 or 5 seasons in his tank. And probably most of them as a Number 1 QB. He's done wonders for that organization and for the coach that "saw the game in him" to just draft another QB and for him then to go to Plummer and tell him he's a great quarterback and that he'll start but if he makes a few mistake, he's out. It just makes an uneasy feeling in my stomach, as probably for Plummer as well.

I hope Jake Plummer pwns the league and forces The Broncos into Quarterback Peril. We all see what happened with Brees and Rivers. They were just about to give up on Brees and then at the last second they were like "ummm..Now what?"

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Which brings up another topic. The Saints should of not signed Brees and then just Drafted Vince Young. Instead of singing Brees and drafting Reggie Bush.

Young/McAllister > Brees/Bush

[bigmike]

I'm glad you see my mind of this. If Green Bay drafted Leinhart, I'd understand. Cause it was understood Favre is retiring. Plummer isn't. He still has 4 or 5 seasons in his tank. And probably most of them as a Number 1 QB. He's done wonders for that organization and for the coach that "saw the game in him" to just draft another QB and for him then to go to Plummer and tell him he's a great quarterback and that he'll start but if he makes a few mistake, he's out. It just makes an uneasy feeling in my stomach, as probably for Plummer as well.

I hope Jake Plummer pwns the league and forces The Broncos into Quarterback Peril. We all see what happened with Brees and Rivers. They were just about to give up on Brees and then at the last second they were like "ummm..Now what?"
Are you serious? they aren't saying "go the whole season without an INT or we're yanking you and you'll be forced to retire." Cutler is a back up plan and unless plummer get's hurt or completely bombs then he's going to be the number 1. besides, what do they owe to him? They're the ones that revived his career, not the other way around. he was a bad QB that got in a good situation, he should be happy he's got a job that's not in Arizona. He's 32, give him 2-4 years and he'll be on the backside of his career and cutler can step in. it's not that big of a deal anyways.

Also, he's been there what? 2 years? It's not montana that they're forcing to leave or brett favre, or tom brady, or john elway. He's been there 2 fucking years. this won't send them into QB Peril because plummer isn't a guy who has only been in the league for 3 years like Brees was when they drafted rivers. to liken this to the chargers situation is completely insane.

[histrionics22]

Which brings up another topic. The Saints should of not signed Brees and then just Drafted Vince Young. Instead of singing Brees and drafting Reggie Bush.

Young/McAllister > Brees/Bush

Come on man. Brees is a lot better than Young will ever be, shoulder problem or not. Bush has the talent to be a bigger star and a lot better than McAllister. Saints won out on this deal.

[bigmike]

Which brings up another topic. The Saints should of not signed Brees and then just Drafted Vince Young. Instead of singing Brees and drafting Reggie Bush.

Young/McAllister > Brees/Bush
are you kidding me? What about vince young shows to you that he could be a successful QB next season? Youn/McAllister means a #1 pick next year, because he's got shitty mechanics, he's got little to no ability to read coverage, he's not as fast as Mike Vick so he can't rely on his legs as much as he probably would, and he throws balls that hang because he doesn't drive off his back foot. and yet, Brees, with good mechanics who is a solid QB along with a once in a decade player isn't as good as an overrated QB who's game won't translate to the NFL well at all? Are you kidding me? Have you watched the NFL?

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Are you serious? they aren't saying "go the whole season without an INT or we're yanking you and you'll be forced to retire." Cutler is a back up plan and unless plummer get's hurt or completely bombs then he's going to be the number 1. besides, what do they owe to him? They're the ones that revived his career, not the other way around. he was a bad QB that got in a good situation, he should be happy he's got a job that's not in Arizona. He's 32, give him 2-4 years and he'll be on the backside of his career and cutler can step in. it's not that big of a deal anyways.

Also, he's been there what? 2 years? It's not montana that they're forcing to leave or brett favre, or tom brady, or john elway. He's been there 2 fucking years. this won't send them into QB Peril because plummer isn't a guy who has only been in the league for 3 years like Brees was when they drafted rivers. to liken this to the chargers situation is completely insane.

Yeah, I'll give you that. The Chargers situtation was a lot different. I was just bringing up QB situations that have happened and wished it upon The Broncos. You may have not read that article, it's much less then if "you aren't great we're replacing you." It's more like a "you better be great or we'll replace you."

[GoWaitInTheCar]

are you kidding me? What about vince young shows to you that he could be a successful QB next season? Youn/McAllister means a #1 pick next year, because he's got shitty mechanics, he's got little to no ability to read coverage, he's not as fast as Mike Vick so he can't rely on his legs as much as he probably would, and he throws balls that hang because he doesn't drive off his back foot. and yet, Brees, with good mechanics who is a solid QB along with a once in a decade player isn't as good as an overrated QB who's game won't translate to the NFL well at all? Are you kidding me? Have you watched the NFL?

I nver said Young is going to be all that successful. If you read the first page of this thread, you'll see that.

However I just don't think it was in The Saints Best Interest. Another situation about selling players out.

No doubt Bush will be incredible. I just don't see Brees fitting into his offensive.

[Drew Beringer]

Which brings up another topic. The Saints should of not signed Brees and then just Drafted Vince Young. Instead of singing Brees and drafting Reggie Bush.

Young/McAllister > Brees/Bush

hahahahahahahaha

[Drew Beringer]

As for Hawk, He's gonna be a great player. But Brett Favre is old, he just needs to let go. I like the guy, I have much respect for him, but we all know Leinart will do better then Favre next year.

what the hell? Very few rookie quarterbacks are successful their first year in the league.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

hahahahahahahaha

Go ahead laugh, Drew. When McAllister and Plummer shoot up their locker rooms for being sold out, don't come crying to me. :)

[GoWaitInTheCar]

what the hell? Very few rookie quarterbacks are successful their first year in the league.

Write it down. Leinart (if he starts) will beat Favre's stats.

[bigmike]

Yeah, I'll give you that. The Chargers situtation was a lot different. I was just bringing up QB situations that have happened and wished it upon The Broncos. You may have not read that article, it's much less then if "you aren't great we're replacing you." It's more like a "you better be great or we'll replace you."
He had a career year last year and he's 32, with virtually the same team. so yes, he better be great or have a season that's pretty comparable to last year. there's no reason that he shouldn't.


I nver said Young is going to be all that successful. If you read the first page of this thread, you'll see that.

However I just don't think it was in The Saints Best Interest. Another situation about selling players out.

No doubt Bush will be incredible. I just don't see Brees fitting into his offensive.
What? so you want to draft a kid who won't be ready to play for 3-5 years, minimum, instead of solidifying it with a guy who is still in his mid to late 20's and put reggie bush, a once in a decade type player in his backfield.

and this is worse than Young/McAllister how, again?

[Drew Beringer]

Brett Favre is gonna prove all these motherfuckers wrong. I'm glad everyone is betting against him, he's gonna have a good year. Leinart might not even play at all last year, and you don't want to draft a quarterback this year after drafting one last year. What does that show to Rodgers, that GB is giving up on him after he didn't even get a chance to do anything? Just cause Leinart had a great career in CFB doesn't mean he won't end up as the next Rick Mirer in the NFL.

[Vincewithouthee]

hahahahahahahaha

Yeah, exactly what I thought. I would take Brees/Bush over those two anyday.

[FondestMemory]

what the hell? Very few rookie quarterbacks are successful their first year in the league.

i missed that post somehow.

leinart may not even play next year. that's just silly.

[Drew Beringer]

Go ahead laugh, Drew. When McAllister and Plummer shoot up their locker rooms for being sold out, don't come crying to me. :)

It's not about being sold out, it's about making your team as good as possible. Bush is going to be a way better and more productive runner than McAllister, who has injuries and isn't as dynamic as Bush. Plummer is going to start for Denver also, but he has a horrible postseason and needs to have a fire lit under his ass (Cutler) to get him motivated and be as good as he can be.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

What? so you want to draft a kid who won't be ready to play for 3-5 years, minimum, instead of solidifying it with a guy who is still in his mid to late 20's and put reggie bush, a once in a decade type player in his backfield.

and this is worse than Young/McAllister how, again?

and who did the saints sell out? Aaron Brooks? if so, they didn't sell him out, he just plain sucked.

I just don't see Brees and Bush working together.

I do see Bush doing well..very well actually. I just don't see Brees doing much over there.

[Drew Beringer]

Write it down. Leinart (if he starts) will beat Favre's stats.

Leinart won't even start, even if he did he wouldn't have better stats than Favre. Favre had one bad year, a lot of it was on him, he had to force shit, but I also know he isn't what he used to be, but he is still one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league. If the Packers can get their running game back on track, he'll have a year similar to 2004.

And I'll remember this post when Favre has a good year, AJ Hawk wins defensive rookie of the year, and Leinart is on the bench.

[bigmike]

I just don't see Brees and Bush working together.

I do see Bush doing well..very well actually. I just don't see Brees doing much over there.
i think drew brees is highly overrated and a product of antonio gates and LT. that said, he's better than vince young. fuck, at 50% health he's better than vince young. why wouldn't they work together? How would a QB not work well with a guy who can keep defenses off his ass (reggie bush) because he's so dynamic that they scheme to stop the RB (reggie bush) so Drew Brees can have time with little pass rush because if teams blitz too much the RB (reggie bush) will burn them with long runs. not to mention his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. 50% of the leagues QB's would love to have that type of running back (reggie bush).

[GoWaitInTheCar]

It's not about being sold out, it's about making your team as good as possible. Bush is going to be a way better and more productive runner than McAllister, who has injuries and isn't as dynamic as Bush. Plummer is going to start for Denver also, but he has a horrible postseason and needs to have a fire lit under his ass (Cutler) to get him motivated and be as good as he can be.

I'm not saying everyone who is benched or anything like that, is being sold out. But in Plummer's case, he'll start, but if he messes up a few games, he'll be out of there. Shannahan blabbed on and on about how he wanted Plummer and how he as faith in Plummer. Plummer starts two seasons and all of a sudden they draft a player for "the future"

[bigmike]

Leinart won't even start, even if he did he wouldn't have better stats than Favre. Favre had one bad year, a lot of it was on him, he had to force shit, but I also know he isn't what he used to be, but he is still one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league. If the Packers can get their running game back on track, he'll have a year similar to 2004.

And I'll remember this post when Favre has a good year, AJ Hawk wins defensive rookie of the year, and Leinart is on the bench.
yeah, you have to admit that alot of his bad year was due to injuries all around him. he did force alot of things but if he didn't, how else would they be in any games?

[GoWaitInTheCar]

i think drew brees is highly overrated and a product of antonio gates and LT. that said, he's better than vince young. fuck, at 50% health he's better than vince young. why wouldn't they work together? How would a QB not work well with a guy who can keep defenses off his ass (reggie bush) because he's so dynamic that they scheme to stop the RB (reggie bush) so Drew Brees can have time with little pass rush because if teams blitz too much the RB (reggie bush) will burn them with long runs. not to mention his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. 50% of the leagues QB's would love to have that type of running back (reggie bush).

I like Brees and I like Bush, but we both know they try to take the game in their hands. The egos are to big for one team.

[FondestMemory]

i think drew brees is highly overrated and a product of antonio gates and LT. that said, he's better than vince young. fuck, at 50% health he's better than vince young. why wouldn't they work together? How would a QB not work well with a guy who can keep defenses off his ass (reggie bush) because he's so dynamic that they scheme to stop the RB (reggie bush) so Drew Brees can have time with little pass rush because if teams blitz too much the RB (reggie bush) will burn them with long runs. not to mention his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. 50% of the leagues QB's would love to have that type of running back (reggie bush).

brees will surprise some people. people shit on him because his numbers were inflated by gates and lt, but those were the weapons he had, and he utilized them very well.

it's not like he had a ton of options to use there, he made more than the most out of what he had. yeah, i know more than the most doesn't make any sense, but brees will be fine.

[bigmike]

I'm not saying everyone who is benched or anything like that, is being sold out. But in Plummer's case, he'll start, but if he messes up a few games, he'll be out of there. Shannahan blabbed on and on about how he wanted Plummer and how he as faith in Plummer. Plummer starts two seasons and all of a sudden they draft a player for "the future"
because he's 32. if you give him 2 more years, then he's 34, and cutler is ready to start, and you can let plummer go before he deteriorates before your eyes in denver. it's better to let a guy go before his career crumbles (like letting plummer go in a couple of years) than to have him hang around forever and ever to have him suck when his career and body does eventually break down. it's just the broncos being smart about it. although, i do think they could have gone a different way instead of trading up for cutler and just take brodie croyle or another QB in the 2nd and/or 3rd round.

[FondestMemory]

I like Brees and I like Bush, but we both know they try to take the game in their hands. The egos are to big for one team.

what??

bush split carries in college. ego was never a problem. and brees was never the man in sd. that was ld's team.

where do you get that they have egos from?

[bigmike]

I like Brees and I like Bush, but we both know they try to take the game in their hands. The egos are to big for one team.
what has brees done that's given him a "big ego" rep? I watched him at purdue for 4 years be nothing but humble and thank his teammates constantly whenever they won.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

yeah, you have to admit that alot of his bad year was due to injuries all around him. he did force alot of things but if he didn't, how else would they be in any games?

Injuries were a huge problem, I will admit. It wasn't all his fault, but age is a factor. He's gonna end up being like Jerry Rice and play until he literally can't. I admire players like this in a sense, but in another sense I wish they would retire with pride, instead of acting like they still have it.

[bigmike]

why does the nfl draft make some people insane. first it's fromwithin saying that you get your starters and best players from the 3rd round of the draft on and that pittsburgh's stupid for not taking lendale white and taking santonio holmes and now this kid saying drew brees is egotistical and that reggie bush and drew brees would suck more than mcallister and vince young.
I think my head is going to explode soon.

[bigmike]

Injuries were a huge problem, I will admit. It wasn't all his fault, but age is a factor. He's gonna end up being like Jerry Rice and play until he literally can't. I admire players like this in a sense, but in another sense I wish they would retire with pride, instead of acting like they still have it.
if he has a steady running game, a solid #1 reciever, a good defense, and a solid OL then he'll be fine. but injuries struck every single part of that team. and they still lost a league high 5 games by 3 points or less.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

what has brees done that's given him a "big ego" rep? I watched him at purdue for 4 years be nothing but humble and thank his teammates constantly whenever they won.

I remember those Purdue days. He was awesome to watch, and to a certain extent, he still is. But when he got to The Chargers, remember him complaining about the lack of targets he had and all that mumbo jumbo? After Gates came, he did better, either that or Gates made him better. Brees just wanted to throw the ball and do his thing.

Speaking of humble, I gotta go back to my boy Plummer again. Leftwich or Plummer have to be the most soft spoken QBs in the NFL.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

why does the nfl draft make some people insane. first it's fromwithin saying that you get your starters and best players from the 3rd round of the draft on and that pittsburgh's stupid for not taking lendale white and taking santonio holmes and now this kid saying drew brees is egotistical and that reggie bush and drew brees would suck more than mcallister and vince young.
I think my head is going to explode soon.

Hahaha, funny you say that..

Fromwithin and I are pratically best friends.

Chad Jackson > Santonio Holmes

As for drafting Lendale White instead of Holmes...ummm..no obviously. Pittsburgh has backs, we need recievers.

[FondestMemory]

I remember those Purdue days. He was awesome to watch, and to a certain extent, he still is. But when he got to The Chargers, remember him complaining about the lack of targets he had and all that mumbo jumbo? After Gates came, he did better, either that or Gates made him better. Brees just wanted to throw the ball and do his thing.

ummmmm, he's a quarterback. and he didn't have any targets. then he got one and showed he could deliver it to that target.

but he's got an ego because he wanted the team to have a passing game? i got ya.

[FondestMemory]

Chad Jackson > Santonio Holmes

not for what the steelers needed. plus, florida wr's generally don't carry success over to the nfl.

[Drew Beringer]

yeah, you have to admit that alot of his bad year was due to injuries all around him. he did force alot of things but if he didn't, how else would they be in any games?

I do not think he will throw 29 INTS this year, I would say 18-21 with 24-26 TDs this time around. Even with all the injuries and INTs, the Packers were still in a lot of games last year.

I'm not saying everyone who is benched or anything like that, is being sold out. But in Plummer's case, he'll start, but if he messes up a few games, he'll be out of there. Shannahan blabbed on and on about how he wanted Plummer and how he as faith in Plummer. Plummer starts two seasons and all of a sudden they draft a player for "the future"

You always draft for the future. Plummer is old.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

As for me, I'm tired.
I'm heading to bed. But for what it's worth, it was nice chatting with everyone.

[histrionics22]

not for what the steelers needed. plus, florida wr's generally don't carry success over to the nfl.

I agree. Maybe in terms of value where each was picked Jackson is better, but Holmes was the top WR in the draft and Steelers top need was WR. I'd say success.

[looksthatkillbn]

I don't usually like to insult people on here, but I've been around for still_life and asianxcore, and this is probably be the dumbest list of opinions I've ever seen from one user.

[FondestMemory]

I don't usually like to insult people on here, but I've been around for still_life and asianxcore, and this is probably be the dumbest list of opinions I've ever seen from one user.

haha. if ya wanna top it hop into the nfl draft thread and read some of fromwithin's arguments.

the fun starts here http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=131184&page=62

[histrionics22]

haha. if ya wanna top it hop into the nfl draft thread and read some of fromwithin's arguments.

the fun starts here http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=131184&page=62

Haha I laugh every time i read the "You don't address needs with a 1st round pick". Hahahaha

[LeftWideOpen]

I don't usually like to insult people on here, but I've been around for still_life and asianxcore, and this is probably be the dumbest list of opinions I've ever seen from one user.

yeah, i was biting my tongue ...but you hit the nail on the head. probably some of the dumbest things said this offseason.

[smokedsanity]

A large, large number of you really don't pay much attention to college and pro football, do you? That is the feeling that I am getting. Not all of you, but so many that it saddens me.

[bigmike]

haha. if ya wanna top it hop into the nfl draft thread and read some of fromwithin's arguments.

the fun starts here http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=131184&page=62
haha, that was fun. i felt bad it was like 2 or 3 of us against him. but he did make some stupid comments.


Haha I laugh every time i read the "You don't address needs with a 1st round pick". Hahahaha
you didn't hear? Next year they're just going to skip the entire first 2 rounds and just give everyone picks for rounds 3-7.


yeah, i was biting my tongue ...but you hit the nail on the head. probably some of the dumbest things said this offseason.
yeah, definitely.

[LeftWideOpen]

A large, large number of you really don't pay much attention to college and pro football, do you? That is the feeling that I am getting. Not all of you, but so many that it saddens me.

where were you all last season????

[GoWaitInTheCar]

A large, large number of you really don't pay much attention to college and pro football, do you? That is the feeling that I am getting. Not all of you, but so many that it saddens me.

I payed attention to it, if I didn't I would of never voiced my opinions.

[ImpulZe]

TOP 5 BAD DRAFT PICKS
1. A.J. Hawk, Green Bay. Great player no doubt, but they needed to pick up a quarterback. I'm sure Hawk will work out but after Brett Favre's retirement, who's gonna be out there. They passed up both Leinart and Cutler. When will Green Bay finally shoot ole' Yeller?




um... Aaron Rodgers? Sure he wasn't the most impressive guy last year, but give him a chance. Um also Ingle Martin... Heard this guy is something special.

[fluke182]

Yeah he really sucks seeing as how he hasnt even played a real game yet. He played in one game last year, and that was only after Baltimore was blowing out the Packers. He's a work in progress, almost every rookie QB is. Oh and Jake Plummer is 31 so he'll only be playing for four to five more years god forbid the Broncos try to look to the future. Plummer's contract is also up soon.
In 2003 Plummer signed a contract for 7 years. Tell me how that math makes his contract "up soon." I agree with you, yet I do not agree that they should have went for a QB this year, or at least that one. They should have tried as hard as they could to move up to 9 or 10 and get Leinart, because Cutler, IMO, is a bum. If you cannot win at the college level, you can't win in the pros. 5-6 record last year, at the height of his amazing play? That's bothersome. Most overrated player in the draft, and please do not say he's in the SEC, it's a hard Conference. I hear the AFC West is pretty good too.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

In 2003 Plummer signed a contract for 7 years. Tell me how that math makes his contract "up soon." I agree with you, yet I do not agree that they should have went for a QB this year, or at least that one. They should have tried as hard as they could to move up to 9 or 10 and get Leinart, because Cutler, IMO, is a bum. If you cannot win at the college level, you can't win in the pros. 5-6 record last year, at the height of his amazing play? That's bothersome. Most overrated player in the draft, and please do not say he's in the SEC, it's a hard Conference. I hear the AFC West is pretty good too.


This is what I've been trying to say the whole time. They wasted their first round pick, sure Cutler is good, but why him?

[lanolynn]

In 2003 Plummer signed a contract for 7 years. Tell me how that math makes his contract "up soon." I agree with you, yet I do not agree that they should have went for a QB this year, or at least that one. They should have tried as hard as they could to move up to 9 or 10 and get Leinart, because Cutler, IMO, is a bum. If you cannot win at the college level, you can't win in the pros. 5-6 record last year, at the height of his amazing play? That's bothersome. Most overrated player in the draft, and please do not say he's in the SEC, it's a hard Conference. I hear the AFC West is pretty good too.as is the case with most nfl players nowadays i'm sure plummer is contract is back loaded, which means that over the next few seasons his cap number is going to get bigger and bigger, meaning without restructuring his deal, he wouldn't be around for more than two more years. and it's not jsut that cutler played in the sec. he played at fucking vanderbilt. winning 5 games there (especially one over ut in knoxville) is a huge achievement. this team hasn't had a winning record since 1983. with the broncos, he'll have talent all around him, which he didn't at vandy. he's in a great situation because they still have plummer and mike shannahan will have time to fix cutler's footwork problems before he actually takes over the team.

[bigmike]

as is the case with most nfl players nowadays i'm sure plummer is contract is back loaded, which means that over the next few seasons his cap number is going to get bigger and bigger, meaning without restructuring his deal, he wouldn't be around for more than two more years. and it's not jsut that cutler played in the sec. he played at fucking vanderbilt. winning 5 games there (especially one over ut in knoxville) is a huge achievement. this team hasn't had a winning record since 1983. with the broncos, he'll have talent all around him, which he didn't at vandy. he's in a great situation because they still have plummer and mike shannahan will have time to fix cutler's footwork problems before he actually takes over the team.
not to mention the fact that he got dicked out of a possible win in the FUCKING SWAMP against Florida. with that team. he's got things he needs to work on and can be kinda erratic with bad footwork but he's got as good of an arm as anyone in the draft. (though i think brodie croyle will be a better qb than cutler).

um... Aaron Rodgers? Sure he wasn't the most impressive guy last year, but give him a chance. Um also Ingle Martin... Heard this guy is something special.
Yeah, man, Ingle Martin is so fucking special he couldn't keep his job at University of Florida and had to transfer to a D I-AA school because he couldn't start anywhere else. other than that, he's gold.

[zizou1790]

Rodgers is butt.

they woudlnt of spent a first rounder on him if they felt he was only gonna be a backup

[Jess7286]

Drew Brees didn't even do much with LT and the Chargers. And LT > Bush.

Whoa, I can't find the reply I was going to quote. Eh.

[sweethypocrisy]

Pats drafted well, filled their needs with Maroney, C. Jackson and Bruce Gradkowski to replace Vinatieri. The 49ers also did a good job, giving Alex Smith a great tight end weapon, AND a great defensive player in Lawson. I have to disagree with you, getting Cutler was a great choice. He will learn from Plummer, and develop into a great qb. ok what the fuck. bruce gradkowski is a quarterback from toledo, and he went to tampa bay.

and aside from my bias being born in toledo and living 30 minutes away from UT, shouldnt gradkowski have gone a little higher? he is the most accurate passer in the history of division one college football, had a 88-27 td/int ratio, and set several records at ut. not to mention he is just as good at scrambling as vince young.

[bigmike]

Drew Brees didn't even do much with LT and the Chargers. And LT > Bush.

Whoa, I can't find the reply I was going to quote. Eh.
if by "didn't do much" you mean help the charger franchise turn around a team that was 4-12 to 12-4 and make their first playoff appearance since 1995, as well as re-establish the chargers with an attitude of winning, then yes, i agree.

[bigmike]

ok what the fuck. bruce gradkowski is a quarterback from toledo, and he went to tampa bay.
haha, wow. how did no one see that post?

[sweethypocrisy]

haha, wow. how did no one see that post?
i know dude. i read the whole thread waiting for someone to correct that guy. it was pissing me off.

[sweethypocrisy]

oh and why didnt josh huston (K-osu) get drafted? thats dick. i mean, hes no mike nugent, but he had a leg on him. oh well, ive heard hes gonna sign with the bears.

and what is it with jim tressel and kickers? we had mike nugent, josh huston, and their kicker this year can split the uprights from 61 yards with room to go.

[histrionics22]

oh and why didnt josh huston (K-osu) get drafted? thats dick. i mean, hes no mike nugent, but he had a leg on him. oh well, ive heard hes gonna sign with the bears.

and what is it with jim tressel and kickers? we had mike nugent, josh huston, and their kicker this year can split the uprights from 61 yards with room to go.

Its all those illegal benefits they used to give Clarett.

[bigmike]

oh and why didnt josh huston (K-osu) get drafted? thats dick. i mean, hes no mike nugent, but he had a leg on him. oh well, ive heard hes gonna sign with the bears.

and what is it with jim tressel and kickers? we had mike nugent, josh huston, and their kicker this year can split the uprights from 61 yards with room to go.
osu's had some good kickers recently.

[Jess7286]

if by "didn't do much" you mean help the charger franchise turn around a team that was 4-12 to 12-4 and make their first playoff appearance since 1995, as well as re-establish the chargers with an attitude of winning, then yes, i agree.

Honestly, I can't talk much about pro football since I don't follow that much but Brees didn't change the Chargers alone (Gates, LT, improved defense). On top of that, every single time he was in a clutch situation, he choked. And, I think last year, the Chargers were what...9-7 regular season?

On a side note, I just saw that Maurice Drew and Marcedes are playing on the same team in the pros as well. Weird. And when the hell did Jarred Page enter the draft? Well shit. Our football team's going to be crap next season.

[bigmike]

Honestly, I can't talk much about pro football since I don't follow that much but Brees didn't change the Chargers alone (Gates, LT, improved defense). On top of that, every single time he was in a clutch situation, he choked. And, I think last year, the Chargers were what...9-7 regular season?

On a side note, I just saw that Maurice Drew and Marcedes are playing on the same team in the pros as well. Weird. And when the hell did Jarred Page enter the draft? Well shit. Our football team's going to be crap next season.
they weren't exactly in the easiest of divisions, either. 3 of the 4 teams in their division were over .500. granted, i don't think brees deserves all the credit, but to say that he didn't do much isn't accurate. phillip rivers would not have taken that team from 4-12 to 12-4 and then 9-7.
and 9-7 isn't bad, conisdering the last time they were better than 8-8 (besides 2004) was 1995, when they were, again 9-7.

I don't remember the guys name, but the UCLA coach seems to have the football team heading towards the right direction. but it will be hard when you lose olson, drew, and lewis all in one year.

[Jess7286]

they weren't exactly in the easiest of divisions, either. 3 of the 4 teams in their division were over .500. granted, i don't think brees deserves all the credit, but to say that he didn't do much isn't accurate. phillip rivers would not have taken that team from 4-12 to 12-4 and then 9-7.
and 9-7 isn't bad, conisdering the last time they were better than 8-8 (besides 2004) was 1995, when they were, again 9-7.

I don't remember the guys name, but the UCLA coach seems to have the football team heading towards the right direction. but it will be hard when you lose olson, drew, and lewis all in one year.

Yeah, Rivers definitely wouldn't have gotten the Chargers to 12-4. And yes, Brees did improve the Charges, especially after Leaf but I don't think he reached his full potential.

Dorrell is the UCLA coach. He's too passive for my liking. He doesn't take a stance. We rarely go for any fourth down conversions and that's just sad. When we played SC this year, they went for EVERY single fourth down. We had a 4th and 2 and Dorrell didn't go for it. That was just not cool.

Ben's supposed to be a 5-star player but he took time off for his Mormon mission and who knows. Pat Cowan, Sanchez's lil bro, is supposed to be decent as well. We'll just have to see in August.

[LostSymphonies]

I'm pretty satisfied with the way the Steelers conducted their draft, they didnt have many glaring problems that needed fixed but the addition of Santonio Holmes will be amazing not to mention all the defense we picked up in the draft and in rookie free agents

[justinevans]

you do realize that the eagles got 3 first round talents in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounds, right?

[histrionics22]

I'm pretty satisfied with the way the Steelers conducted their draft, they didnt have many glaring problems that needed fixed but the addition of Santonio Holmes will be amazing not to mention all the defense we picked up in the draft and in rookie free agents

It almost seems like we never have any glaring problems anymore. A lot of our problems are solved by late rounders stepping up or under the radar free agent signings.

[Vincewithouthee]

I'm pretty satisfied with the way the Steelers conducted their draft, they didnt have many glaring problems that needed fixed but the addition of Santonio Holmes will be amazing not to mention all the defense we picked up in the draft and in rookie free agents

Yeah I'm happier now on how they drafted than I was before. They drafted the way they wanted to, and they did it exactly right. I really like them getting Omar Jacobs too.

I loved Holmes before, and now I love him even more now that he's a Steeler. Not only is he a great player, but he's a great guy as well.

[lanolynn]

[quote=bigmike]not to mention the fact that he got dicked out of a possible win in the FUCKING SWAMP against Florida. with that team. he's got things he needs to work on and can be kinda erratic with bad footwork but he's got as good of an arm as anyone in the draft. (though i think brodie croyle will be a better qb than cutler).

if it weren't for the fact that croyle is a glass man i think he would have been in the mix with young, leinhart and cutler. he's got the strongest arm by far. unfortuantely his mobility is limited and he can't take a hit. if kc has a line half as good as they do now when(or if) he takes over he has a chance to be really good.

[bigmike]

[quote=bigmike]not to mention the fact that he got dicked out of a possible win in the FUCKING SWAMP against Florida. with that team. he's got things he needs to work on and can be kinda erratic with bad footwork but he's got as good of an arm as anyone in the draft. (though i think brodie croyle will be a better qb than cutler).

if it weren't for the fact that croyle is a glass man i think he would have been in the mix with young, leinhart and cutler. he's got the strongest arm by far. unfortuantely his mobility is limited and he can't take a hit. if kc has a line half as good as they do now when(or if) he takes over he has a chance to be really good.
yeah, he did have injury problems. the other thing that i think limited him is the fact he's lik6'0" or 6'1". i think if he's 6'5", he's up there too, regardless of injuries. i mean, willis mcgahee a few years ago had a culpepper type knee injury, still goes late 1st round.

[lanolynn]

[quote=lanolynn]
yeah, he did have injury problems. the other thing that i think limited him is the fact he's lik6'0" or 6'1". i think if he's 6'5", he's up there too, regardless of injuries. i mean, willis mcgahee a few years ago had a culpepper type knee injury, still goes late 1st round.i think croyle and cutler are better than leinhart and young. they just necer had the talent around them. cutler played for a traditionally horrible school and croyle played at a school that was dead in the water and just coming out of probation. i agree with you though croyle's biggest setback is his lack of size.

[bigmike]

i think croyle and cutler are better than leinhart and young. they just necer had the talent around them. cutler played for a traditionally horrible school and croyle played at a school that was dead in the water and just coming out of probation. i agree with you though croyle's biggest setback is his lack of size.
yeah, but cutler's got to work on his footwork and he can be kinda erratic (spelling?) at times. both of which matt leinart's already got down. however, cutler and croyle and leinart all could be good to elite qb's.

vince young could be a good wide reciever, if he was smart enough to make the move.

[selftitled85]

best steals: ariz - leinart, ten - white, nyg - moss

until proven otherwhise these were dumb picks: hou - williams, nyg - kiwanuka, den - cutler, jets - ferguson

[justinevans]

i am wondering why all the wrs are steals.

they are not steals.

they were late 1st round and 2nd round talent anyway.

None of these receivers are number ones.

[selftitled85]

i am wondering why all the wrs are steals.

they are not steals.

they were late 1st round and 2nd round talent anyway.

None of these receivers are number ones.

moss has the type of speed that many teams needed.

[justinevans]

biased, but the biggest steal is the eagles picking justice @ 39 when everyone predicted them to pick him @ 14 and then they got the guard in the 4th round who was said by many to be the top-rated guard, but he feel because of weight fluctuations, something they have controlled with shawn andrews.

[selftitled85]

biased, but the biggest steal is the eagles picking justice @ 39 when everyone predicted them to pick him @ 14 and then they got the guard in the 4th round who was said by many to be the top-rated guard, but he feel because of weight fluctuations, something they have controlled with shawn andrews.

who picked up the one OL who fell out of the first round because of testing pos for pot. i think someone signed him in the 4th round which is also a steal.

[selftitled85]

part of me thinks young will flourish in ten because the system there is set up around a mobile qb. the prob is that while mcnair was very smart on the field...it seem that young has a lot of learning to do.

[BigBabyPring]

How can you say Mario Williams was a great pick. Sure hes a decent first rounder maybe top10 but #1? No way. He's a workout monster and has great size but hasn't really proved himself. Not only that but there were 2 other players from that same defensive line of NC State drafted in the 1st round. The Texans will regret passing on Bush and Young when they are taking their teams to the playoffs in a few years and Mario Williams is a washup already playing for a different team.

[justinevans]

How can you say Mario Williams was a great pick. Sure hes a decent first rounder maybe top10 but #1? No way. He's a workout monster and has great size but hasn't really proved himself. Not only that but there were 2 other players from that same defensive line of NC State drafted in the 1st round. The Texans will regret passing on Bush and Young when they are taking their teams to the playoffs in a few years and Mario Williams is a washup already playing for a different team.

maybe, but williams can produce this year.

the texans do not have the line or the offense for to really produce this year.

[selftitled85]

How can you say Mario Williams was a great pick. Sure hes a decent first rounder maybe top10 but #1? No way. He's a workout monster and has great size but hasn't really proved himself. Not only that but there were 2 other players from that same defensive line of NC State drafted in the 1st round. The Texans will regret passing on Bush and Young when they are taking their teams to the playoffs in a few years and Mario Williams is a washup already playing for a different team.

houston was sitting on a gold mine. they could have traded away pick 1 to a team for a middle round 1 pick and prob 1 or 2 other picks and pick up some great offensive linemen to be able to protect carr and give the o some time to score.

but alas...houston is stupid.

[FondestMemory]

houston was sitting on a gold mine. they could have traded away pick 1 to a team for a middle round 1 pick and prob 1 or 2 other picks and pick up some great offensive linemen to be able to protect carr and give the o some time to score.

but alas...houston is stupid.

it's too hard to trade the top pick. new orleans shopped the second pick when bush was available and nobody would give them what they wanted for the two spot, i'm not sold that trading the pick was an option.

i agree it's hard to pass up a player like reggie bush, but i wouldn't call houston stupid for doing it. they had the top pick for a reason. and they used the pick to address one of the biggest reasons they lost so many games.

[FondestMemory]

until proven otherwhise these were dumb picks: hou - williams, nyg - kiwanuka, den - cutler, jets - ferguson

i don't understand how ferguson was a dumb pick at all. the others i can see an argument for, but not ferguson. they need a line, and he was a huge step in fixing that.

[selftitled85]

i don't understand how ferguson was a dumb pick at all. the others i can see an argument for, but not ferguson. they need a line, and he was a huge step in fixing that.

not when your qb is prone to getting injured and your back up is ramsey. the jets had a decent line and could easily have fixed the needs in fa. pennington on the other hand...needed to be addressed.

[FondestMemory]

not when your qb is prone to getting injured and your back up is ramsey. the jets had a decent line and could easily have fixed the needs in fa. pennington on the other hand...needed to be addressed.

pennington was addressed in fa. there's still a lot of money tied up in pennington, who's proven he can lead a team if healthy. and ramsey has a chance to earn his chance. if pennington comes back healthy, then you have all that money invested in him, along with first round money in a qb who may not even earn second string.

i think they handled things the best way possible. take steps to solidify a good line, and pick up a quality qb in a later round (clemons, 3rd). that team is already in financial hell for a few more years, throwing top five money at a qb would have been a horrible horrible mistake, imo.

[Vincewithouthee]

The Steelers seem to really want TJ Duckett. I'd like to see him in the black and gold, but he's still an injury prone back. I don't know, we'll see. We'd have a lot of depth at RB, so it probably wouldn't hurt to get him. He'd be a good power runner for us.

I know this isn't really on the subject or thread, but I just wanted to post that since this is the only NFL thread and I don't want to make a new one.

[histrionics22]

The Steelers seem to really want TJ Duckett. I'd like to see him in the black and gold, but he's still an injury prone back. I don't know, we'll see. We'd have a lot of depth at RB, so it probably wouldn't hurt to get him. He'd be a good power runner for us.

I know this isn't really on the subject or thread, but I just wanted to post that since this is the only NFL thread and I don't want to make a new one.

Ehh I'm glad they didnt give up the 3rd rounder Atlanta is/was requesting. Duckett isnt worth it.

[Vincewithouthee]

Ehh I'm glad they didnt give up the 3rd rounder Atlanta is/was requesting. Duckett isnt worth it.

Yeah I know. The Falcons might just cut him anyway, so the Steelers can just pick him up.

[selftitled85]

Yeah I know. The Falcons might just cut him anyway, so the Steelers can just pick him up.

why would they need him?

they dont need a duckett type of rb. they need a bruiser like bettis. deuce and willie should be a damn good combo.

[selftitled85]

it's too hard to trade the top pick. new orleans shopped the second pick when bush was available and nobody would give them what they wanted for the two spot, i'm not sold that trading the pick was an option.

i agree it's hard to pass up a player like reggie bush, but i wouldn't call houston stupid for doing it. they had the top pick for a reason. and they used the pick to address one of the biggest reasons they lost so many games.

im sure they could have secured a middle first round with a second or third and then maybe like a 7th. im sure some teams would cream there pants at the chance of getting bush.

[FreshyFresh23]

why would they need him?

they dont need a duckett type of rb. they need a bruiser like bettis. deuce and willie should be a damn good combo.


Dude...do you know who Duckett is? 6'' 255 lbs? He IS a bruiser, thats his whole running style.

[selftitled85]

Dude...do you know who Duckett is? 6'' 255 lbs? He IS a bruiser, thats his whole running style.

he didnt act it in atlanta. maybe when i watched him he didnt look the part but he did not really jump out at me at all.

[FreshyFresh23]

he didnt act it in atlanta. maybe when i watched him he didnt look the part but he did not really jump out at me at all.

Struggled last year but the two years prior... he was a tough ass runner.

About 33% of his carries result in a first down, 2004 he had 100 carries for 550 yards and no starts. 2003 had about 200 carries for 800 yards. Hes solid. Tds 11, 8 and 8 past 3 years. Hed be a good fill for Bettis

[selftitled85]

Struggled last year but the two years prior... he was a tough ass runner.

About 33% of his carries result in a first down, 2004 he had 100 carries for 550 yards and no starts. 2003 had about 200 carries for 800 yards. Hes solid. Tds 11, 8 and 8 past 3 years. Hed be a good fill for Bettis

yeah i guess i could see that.

[bigmike]

best steals: ariz - leinart, ten - white, nyg - moss

until proven otherwhise these were dumb picks: hou - williams, nyg - kiwanuka, den - cutler, jets - ferguson
i actually like the cutler pick for denver. he's got one of the top 2 arms in the draft, and can sit and work on his footwork and trying to cut down on being so erratic, and in 3 or so years when plummer is 35, less mobile, and on the downslide of his career, they can let him go and let cutler step in.

and mario williams is courtney brown. dude will be a big time bust. he could be a decent DE, but nothing like a #1, ever.

Edit: The biggest steal is detroit NOT taking leinart, so we can tank this season and get brady quinn, who'll be better :D

[bigmike]

Dude...do you know who Duckett is? 6'' 255 lbs? He IS a bruiser, thats his whole running style.
haha, when he played here at MSU, they basically said he was a jerome bettis with more speed in college. a la, ron dayne at wisconsin. dude is a huge as kid. after his rookie year in the league, he was watching nelly at some big state fair and some guy tried to start shit with him and tried to attack him and rumor is he just dropped him with a left-right and that was that.

[Rock]

i think you've got him confused with marcus vick. and you've got scoring a td confused with pulling a gun on some teens at mcdonalds.

:D

post # 69, hoez

[lucky_krystle]

:D

post # 69, hoez

thats post 185 on my computer. :aimo:

[Rock]

Which brings up another topic. The Saints should of not signed Brees and then just Drafted Vince Young. Instead of singing Brees and drafting Reggie Bush.

Young/McAllister > Brees/Bush

assuming Brees fully recovers and returns to Pro Bowl form, i might have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

[Rock]

thats post 185 on my computer. :aimo:

personal post # 69, that is.

[selftitled85]

i actually like the cutler pick for denver. he's got one of the top 2 arms in the draft, and can sit and work on his footwork and trying to cut down on being so erratic, and in 3 or so years when plummer is 35, less mobile, and on the downslide of his career, they can let him go and let cutler step in.

and mario williams is courtney brown. dude will be a big time bust. he could be a decent DE, but nothing like a #1, ever.

Edit: The biggest steal is detroit NOT taking leinart, so we can tank this season and get brady quinn, who'll be better :D


but the problem i have with the cutler pick is now plummer is going to have to look over his shoulder. every throw that is not perfect will be criticized and he may be given the leash much sooner than he anticipated. plummer is fitting perfectly for the den system. adding a top prospect like cutler is going to give unneeded pressure to a guy whos job is to get a team past the champ game and into the sb.

they should have used the pic on either a secondary pic or a wr because rod smith and lynch are not getting any younger.

[Jason Tate]

TOP 5 GOOD DRAFT PICKS
1. Matt Leinart, Arizona. Expecting to be picked in the top 3, Leinhart was visibly upset about where he fell to. But Arizon lucked out, they've got him. With Edge, Fitzgerald, Bolquin, and now Leinart this team can make a good run. Watch out for The Cardinals.
2. Chad Jackson, New England. My hometown, The Pittsburgh Steelers had a chance to get this guy and they passed. What a mistake. In my opinion, he's the best reciever in the draft, the others do not have hands like he does. A steal mid way through the 2nd round.
3. Mario Williams, Houston. Great judgement call here. They realized they wouldn't need Reggie Bush and make sure they got their man. Well done.
4. Bobby Carpenter, Dallas. I've always been a fan of his and he was a steal to get drafted late. Remember his name because this season he will do damage.
5. Reggie Bush, New Orleans. New Orleans already have a decent running game, so I'm not sure why they picked Bush. However, wherever Bush goes, success will follow, so I'm gonna disregard the fact they picked him and shouldn't, The Saints have a chance to be a decent team now.



TOP 5 BAD DRAFT PICKS
1. A.J. Hawk, Green Bay. Great player no doubt, but they needed to pick up a quarterback. I'm sure Hawk will work out but after Brett Favre's retirement, who's gonna be out there. They passed up both Leinart and Cutler. When will Green Bay finally shoot ole' Yeller?
2. Jay Cutler, Denver. Out of all the picks, this had to be the worst. Jake Plummer has always been underrated and now his own team isn't showing faith in him.
3. Tye Hill, St. Louis. Way to short to play this position, they needed many other tools to make their game work, and this was just a senseless pick.
4. Donte Whitner, Buffalo. Ummm..apprarently Buffalo doesn't need any offensive players? There have been many talks of them signing a Safety in the offseason, and yet they waste their pick to draft one early first round.
5. Vince Young, Tennessee. Good quaterback, yes, but they are planning to build their franchise around this guy. To pick with with Leinart still out there, not a good move.
You're the only one I've read saying Denver shouldn't of taken Cutler, EVERYONE else is saying Denver had the best picks out of the entire draft.

[FondestMemory]

You're the only one I've read saying Denver shouldn't of taken Cutler, EVERYONE else is saying Denver had the best picks out of the entire draft.

i understand the logic behind denver taking cutler, i don't understand the trading up to get him. that's the part that confused me the most.

and i would strongly disagree that they had the best draft. they didn't have a bad one, but there were teams that had a much better one.

[bigmike]

but the problem i have with the cutler pick is now plummer is going to have to look over his shoulder. every throw that is not perfect will be criticized and he may be given the leash much sooner than he anticipated. plummer is fitting perfectly for the den system. adding a top prospect like cutler is going to give unneeded pressure to a guy whos job is to get a team past the champ game and into the sb.

they should have used the pic on either a secondary pic or a wr because rod smith and lynch are not getting any younger.
I definitely get what you're saying. but plummer isn't getting any younger, he is 32 and for a guy that ran as much as he did earlier in his career for a shitty team in arizona for 8 years, he's potentially got an older football body than that. yes, he does fit denver's system perfectly, however, a little competition hasn't ever hurt anyone. And if he is going to crack from the pressure of Jay Cutler being picked, what does that say about the guy that's supposed to lead you to the SB?


i understand the logic behind denver taking cutler, i don't understand the trading up to get him. that's the part that confused me the most.

and i would strongly disagree that they had the best draft. they didn't have a bad one, but there were teams that had a much better one.
yeah, i wouldn't have traded up to get him, they could have got a very capable QB in the 2nd round in Croyle or even later with clemons and others like that.

[FondestMemory]

yeah, i wouldn't have traded up to get him, they could have got a very capable QB in the 2nd round in Croyle or even later with clemons and others like that.

i'm not even saying they needed to wait for croyle or clemmons. just jumping up to 11 seemed like they jumped the gun a bit. he probably would have fallen to them regardless.

[bigmike]

i'm not even saying they needed to wait for croyle or clemmons. just jumping up to 11 seemed like they jumped the gun a bit. he probably would have fallen to them regardless.
yeah, i agree. but i still think taking a QB is a good move, in my opinion.

[LeftWideOpen]

i understand the logic behind denver taking cutler, i don't understand the trading up to get him. that's the part that confused me the most.

and i would strongly disagree that they had the best draft. they didn't have a bad one, but there were teams that had a much better one.

the media is in love w/ cutler and that, to me, is clearly the reason why denver is getting such high praise for this pick. i don't think it was a terrible pick at #11, but it certainly isnt worth the praise they are receiving. Arizona taking Leinart at #10 was a great choice ..Cutler at #11, isn't exactly the same.

[smokedsanity]

where were you all last season????

No, I don't post often at all. No, I didn't weigh in every week last season. Not on here, at least. Take my word for it though, I know football. The comment wasn't directed towards you, by the way.