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Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 12:31 PM
According to MuchMusic.com (http://www.muchmusic.com/news/story.asp?id=17567), Franz Ferdinand (www.franzferdinand.co.uk) turned down a $60 Million ad campaign.
Franz Ferdinand Refuse Big Bucks- Wednesday, May 03, 2006
Franz Ferdinand say they turned down the chance to take part in an ad campaign worth over US$60 million. Frontman Alex Kapranos refused to name the product, but said the added exposure would have quadrupled their record sales. Kapranos told a Scottish interviewer that doing the ads would require the band to "completely surrender all of our identity and integrity."
tragedyco
05/03/06, 12:32 PM
what a moron.
as if they needed money...
Anton Djamoos
05/03/06, 12:34 PM
Good for them. I respect that. Because my respect means something to them. Because they'll read this.
"look how cool we are! we didn't surrender our integrity by getting paid for an ad campaign! Look! Look at us! Please Look At Us!"
Save my day
05/03/06, 12:37 PM
60$ million? Wow.
clintdaddy
05/03/06, 12:40 PM
"look how cool we are! we didn't surrender our integrity by getting paid for an ad campaign! Look! Look at us! Please Look At Us!"
And if they would have taken the 60mil you'd be here bitching about how they are sellouts
Adeniz19
05/03/06, 12:49 PM
wow i wonder what the ad was now. it's good they want to keep their integrity but 60 million is a shit load of money. i would of tried to find a way to compromise
marchfaster
05/03/06, 12:49 PM
you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band
turning down this offer doesn't do anything for them except lose them 60 million, they're not any more respectable.
shagelific
05/03/06, 12:49 PM
they shouldve done it. that is a lot of millions.
PunkUncensored
05/03/06, 12:50 PM
If they really didn't give a fuck about the money or attention, they would have just declined it and not told the world about it. It is a nice PR job for their indie kid fans
this is respectable, but foolish. 5 years from now, nobody's gonna give a shit about this band. i would have taken it, but that's because i have no integrity.
r3wind74
05/03/06, 12:56 PM
The total campaign is worth $60mil, I don't think that the fee paid to them was going to be 60mil, come on now, is FF really that popular to be paid 60mil? The entire campaign (cost, productions, etc) was prob worth 60, the fee paid to them was in the millions possibly, but the exposure of having the name associated w/the advertising is prob worth more potentially.
60 million divided by 4 band members, divided by 28 layers and agents and whoever works with/for them...
it is not that 60 million$ just go straight into your bank account!
phaedrus
05/03/06, 12:58 PM
you people are so two sided, you will bash any band that does stuff like that, but then bash them if they refuse it. you people make no sense. i for one respect them for it, for the simple fact that they are following their ideals and not their wallets. integrity is something that is quite obviously missing. i think theyre within reason to tell people about it too, so they could maybe inspire some people too look up integrity in a dictionary.
MrBaileySays
05/03/06, 01:16 PM
Idiots
MrBaileySays
05/03/06, 01:17 PM
^^i put that in all caps. why didn't it show up that way?
hollywoodending
05/03/06, 01:17 PM
this band doesnt seem like a band that needs to keep their integrity.
maybe if it was like, say, say anything or gatbys american dream or some other smaller band... this band doesnt seem to me like they could sell out, since they are already pretty commercial to begin with. I would have taken the money. But then again, I am poor.
IwishIwasCool
05/03/06, 01:18 PM
this band doesnt seem like a band that needs to keep their integrity.
maybe if it was like, say, say anything or gatbys american dream or some other smaller band... this band doesnt seem to me like they could sell out, since they are already pretty commercial to begin with. I would have taken the money. But then again, I am poor.
The only product Gatsby's American Dream could help sell is earplugs.
Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 01:26 PM
you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band
turning down this offer doesn't do anything for them except lose them 60 million, they're not any more respectable.
Idiots like you don't know the definition of the term "sell out". There is a difference between a band naturally becoming popular, and a band ridding themselves of honesty and integrity to become popular (or more popular)... you do the math and figure out which one falls under the "sell out" category.
I, for one, find this to be extremely respectable. Very few mainstream artists couldn't give a shit about their music or how much feeling is put into it... most only care about how much money it will make them and will do whatever it takes to increase the flow of cash. It is the main problem with music today.
ThriftWhore
05/03/06, 01:38 PM
They're silly for not doing it, i'd sign that shit haha. I guess its respectable they didn't, still dumb, though.
marchfaster
05/03/06, 01:42 PM
Idiots like you don't know the definition of the term "sell out". There is a difference between a band naturally becoming popular, and a band ridding themselves of honesty and integrity to become popular (or more popular)... you do the math and figure out which one falls under the "sell out" category.
I, for one, find this to be extremely respectable. Very few mainstream artists couldn't give a shit about their music or how much feeling is put into it... most only care about how much money it will make them and will do whatever it takes to increase the flow of cash. It is the main problem with music today.
you're a fucking moron, i wasn't attacking the band, i was commenting to the kid who said we'd all call them sellouts.
BASICALLY, frank, if you had read right, you would have noticed i never called them a sellout, but said, they couldn't if they tried because they're too popular already.
Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 01:45 PM
you're a fucking moron, i wasn't attacking the band, i was commenting to the kid who said we'd all call them sellouts.
BASICALLY, frank, if you had read right, you would have noticed i never called them a sellout, but said, they couldn't if they tried because they're too popular already.
I'm the moron when you're the one that doesn't know how to properly use the "Quote" button on a messageboard? Hmm... that's strange. The next time you "comment to a kid" try the "Quote" button, it actually quotes what the person said so it looks like you're responding to someone and not just tossing a random statement out there. Crazy, right? Let me know if you need help with any of the other forum buttons. Like "Edit" or "Post Reply" or something.
marchfaster
05/03/06, 01:47 PM
yeah, because quoting on a messageboard really has real applications in life.
and no, i thought about clicking quote, but my internet took a damn near 3 minutes to load the page when i just hit reply and i hoped that nobody would post before me.
marchfaster
05/03/06, 01:47 PM
I'm the moron when you're the one that doesn't know how to properly use the "Quote" button on a messageboard? Hmm... that's strange. The next time you "comment to a kid" try the "Quote" button, it actually quotes what the person said so it looks like you're responding to someone and not just tossing a random statement out there. Crazy, right? Let me know if you need help with any of the other forum buttons. Like "Edit" or "Post Reply" or something.
and you're an idiot anyway, because i quoted you.
so....basically all im getting is you lose.
anthony_jr
05/03/06, 01:49 PM
i'm pretty sure i'd sell myself for $60 million.
Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 01:51 PM
and you're an idiot anyway, because i quoted you.
so....basically all im getting is you lose.
Also, another helpful tip: you can combine posts. By hitting the "edit" button and then copying and pasting your replies... so you don't take up half a page full of childish rants.
Anyway, getting back to the Franz selling out thing. Like I said before (and you're still an idiot), just because a band is popular, doesn't mean they can't sell out, which is exactly what you implied in your previous statement. (hit the "Page "1 button to see that. Actually, I'll just make it easy on you and post it below):
"you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band"... this makes ZERO sense.
OveriseFan
05/03/06, 01:57 PM
Frank is right, you kids are idiots.
I now remember why I never come to the News Forums anymore...
This is really respectable though.
I find it funny that Death Cab can tour with these guys, be on SNL, etc. but no one would say this shit about them if they turned down an ad-campaign worth this.
DeathCabForCoon
05/03/06, 01:57 PM
That earns them huge respect points. I'm glad to see huge rock stars like them can manage to keep their feet on the ground.
Good for them. I respect that. Because my respect means something to them. Because they'll read this.
hahahah...!
marchfaster
05/03/06, 02:15 PM
Also, another helpful tip: you can combine posts. By hitting the "edit" button and then copying and pasting your replies... so you don't take up half a page full of childish rants.
Anyway, getting back to the Franz selling out thing. Like I said before (and you're still an idiot), just because a band is popular, doesn't mean they can't sell out, which is exactly what you implied in your previous statement. (hit the "Page "1 button to see that. Actually, I'll just make it easy on you and post it below):
"you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band"... this makes ZERO sense.
you're like those moron kids who, when they don't have a point, regress to nitpicking grammar mistakes.
you lost, you attacked me and called me an idiot on an unfounded claim, just apologise and admit it.
and, for the second time, i never said they were sellouts, i said they couldn't sell out because they were too popular initially.
selling out for fame requires gaining fame (or in this case money) without actually having it initially.
tharealck
05/03/06, 02:15 PM
anyone else think that he could have just made this up for good cred with the indie kids? when was the lsat time you heard of a band being offered $60 million to appear in an ad campaign? maybe it's just me, but I'm not buying it...especially since he doesn't name the product
Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 02:19 PM
you're like those moron kids who, when they don't have a point, regress to nitpicking grammar mistakes.
you lost, you attacked me and called me an idiot on an unfounded claim, just apologise and admit it.
and, for the second time, i never said they were sellouts, i said they couldn't sell out because they were too popular initially.
selling out for fame requires gaining fame (or in this case money) without actually having it initially.
"you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band"...
MY POINT IS "popularity" and "selling out" are two completely un-parellel terms that should never even be used in the same sentence, let alone complimenting one another. Selling out requires a band to sell their integrity to scan more albums or make more money... it doesn't always have to do with "initially", it has to do with "more of" and "in addition to" (which is the case here).
marchfaster
05/03/06, 02:22 PM
"you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band"...
MY POINT IS "popularity" and "selling out" are two completely un-parellel terms that should never even be used in the same sentence, let alone complimenting one another. Selling out requires a band to sell their integrity to sell more albums or make more money... it has nothing to do with "initially". The end. Done. Have a fine day.
so here's what i've determined....i believe i have a point, you believe you have a point. our ideas differ.
you're not going to even for a second consider what i have to say, cause you're too busy with your retort.
so....basically, this was a big waste of time. Thanks frank, you're now regarded as 10 points cooler for your childish harping on my forum use skills and semi-well thought out arguement.
I am all talk
05/03/06, 02:24 PM
I love when Frank gets feisty
Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 02:30 PM
so here's what i've determined....i believe i have a point, you believe you have a point. our ideas differ.
you're not going to even for a second consider what i have to say, cause you're too busy with your retort.
so....basically, this was a big waste of time. Thanks frank, you're now regarded as 10 points cooler for your childish harping on my forum use skills and semi-well thought out arguement.
It has nothing to do with childish. How the hell is someone supposed to know you were "commenting to someone" if you don't use the "quote" button? As if I was supposed to somehow know you were responding to a previous post...
Also, to give you a perfect example as to how your idea of "selling out" makes no sense. If Taking Back Sunday, who were #2 on the billboard charts this week and have a gold album under their belts, were to release an album that resembled a New Found Glory disc, changed their logo to a rose, dressed like The Click Five and toured with Ryan Cabrera strictly to make more money... they'd be "selling out", regardless of how popular or unpopular they previously were.
Take that however you will...
eversochili
05/03/06, 02:35 PM
And if they would have taken the 60mil you'd be here bitching about how they are sellouts
but the point is that they felt the need to ANNOUNCE that they'd turned this offer down. a band with true integrity wouldn't use this decision to gain points as non-sellouts.
nulemoni
05/03/06, 02:36 PM
The total campaign is worth $60mil, I don't think that the fee paid to them was going to be 60mil, come on now, is FF really that popular to be paid 60mil? The entire campaign (cost, productions, etc) was prob worth 60, the fee paid to them was in the millions possibly, but the exposure of having the name associated w/the advertising is prob worth more potentially.
I'm glad to see at least 1 person has the intelligence to read the 3 sentence article and take a second to comprehend what it says. NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE DID THEY SAY THEY WERE GETTING PAID $60 Million!
They might not have even been offered money, but exposure.
Jonas900
05/03/06, 02:37 PM
here's to bands that fucking rule keeping it real. you guys can say what you want, but this is a sick band and i respect that they consider themselves to be artists and not just pawns in a corporate scheme. if only more bands thought like this; it's really depressing when you hear a killer band in a shitty commercial for a shitty company.
eversochili
05/03/06, 02:38 PM
PS: i bet they weren't getting paid the $60 million. the advertising campaign itself was probably worth $60 million.
Frank Giaramita
05/03/06, 02:41 PM
PS: i bet they weren't getting paid the $60 million. the advertising campaign itself was probably worth $60 million.
Yeah, they wouldn't have recieved the actual money...none of this money would've went into their pockets (at least not directly). It was an ad campaign worh $60 Million that would've "quadrupled" their record sales...so they would've made money off the record sales (and then tours and stuff).
iloseinterest
05/03/06, 02:43 PM
The only product Gatsby's American Dream could help sell is earplugs.
lol
i gotta admit if i was in their shoes i probably would have done it, and i dont know what it is. if i was rich i would want to be richer
marchfaster
05/03/06, 02:54 PM
It has nothing to do with childish. How the hell is someone supposed to know you were "commenting to someone" if you don't use the "quote" button? As if I was supposed to somehow know you were responding to a previous post...
Also, to give you a perfect example as to how your idea of "selling out" makes no sense. If Taking Back Sunday, who were #2 on the billboard charts this week and have a gold album under their belts, were to release an album that resembled a New Found Glory disc, changed their logo to a rose, dressed like The Click Five and toured with Ryan Cabrera strictly to make more money... they'd be "selling out", regardless of how popular or unpopular they previously were.
Take that however you will...
i said it was childish because you called me a moron in the very first post, and normally...i dont call people idiots or morons or whatever, but that was so rude it pissed me off.
anyway, i dont mind franz ferdinand, if this is thier decision then im happy for them, i was basically saying that franz ferdinand cant sell out, becuase they've already been selling ads and whatnot, so its not like they would really be changing thier style from an indie band to a major label puppet band.
to recap:
i know how to use a forum, so you telling me that was useless, and you calling me a moron was what im saying was childish.
franz ferdinand can do whatever they want
i dont see how giving in to this advertising would put them at risk for 'selling out' because i dont think they could. but thats a matter of opinion, as your ideas and beliefs on selling out differ from mine.
nsgob22
05/03/06, 02:55 PM
i can respect them for turning it down
resUrectMe617
05/03/06, 03:05 PM
If they really didn't give a fuck about the money or attention, they would have just declined it and not told the world about it. It is a nice PR job for their indie kid fans
i'm thinking since it was an interview, the guy answered the question honestly. i don't think his intention when answering was to "tell the whole world" about it and brag and have people be all LYK OMGZ!!1. he was just answering a guy's question. it might have been something like, "so any new ads we'll be seeing soon?" or "any endorsement deals in the works?". its not his fault that his answer was a big deal.
now if he went off the record, outside of some interview and just randomly told a reporter about it, then yeah..that's asking for attention, blatantly. but who knows..
and the fact that "indie kid fans" will give them more cred is kind of pointless now...franz is already out there, all over hit music stations, mtv, and what have you...i don't think trying to get back a so-called "audience" that they probably lost a long time ago when they hit mainstream america, would be worth passing up on "quadrupled sales," so i don't think it was their motivation when turning the offer down. believe it or not.. maybe they do have a sense of integrity.
Co and Ca
05/03/06, 03:12 PM
If they really didn't give a fuck about the money or attention, they would have just declined it and not told the world about it. It is a nice PR job for their indie kid fans
I agree. This kind of reminds me of that Truth commercial. How a cigarette company donated a couple hundred thousand dollars to charity then spent millions telling everyone about it. haha dont ask me how it reminds me of that, but it does.
Kelley Nicole
05/03/06, 03:12 PM
I'm quoting this because some people are STILL to fucking dumb to figure this out:
NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE DID THEY SAY THEY WERE GETTING PAID $60 Million!
God people are stupid. They just see "Franz Ferdinand" and come here to bitch about them, no matter what the actual news is.
Rufio21
05/03/06, 03:33 PM
you cant be a sellout if you started as an internationally known and popular band
turning down this offer doesn't do anything for them except lose them 60 million, they're not any more respectable.
They have been doing what they have been doing for awhile, and in no way shape or form were popular when they started out. They released there first record only on domino and then it was released in the us Secondly, they are one of the better 2nd wave post punk bands that have written 2 good albums. You can't say that about all the shit out there now, killers, bloc party? naw.
Nothing has changed this band, they have been the exact same since their inception.
The Rescue
05/03/06, 04:01 PM
I also respect it. This was announced on Ultimate-Guitar.com a month ago haha.
marchfaster
05/03/06, 04:10 PM
They have been doing what they have been doing for awhile, and in no way shape or form were popular when they started out. They released there first record only on domino and then it was released in the us Secondly, they are one of the better 2nd wave post punk bands that have written 2 good albums. You can't say that about all the shit out there now, killers, bloc party? naw.
Nothing has changed this band, they have been the exact same since their inception.
okay, so i was wrong about them starting out popular, but what im saying doesn't really pertain to that anyway.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS: that if they are already popular, you cant say they'll be selling out if they sign a deal that quadruples thier popularity.
again, because this seems to be impossible to understand, i am not saying the band is selling out, and im actually saying that the KIDS who say they're selling out are wrong.
domesticyeti
05/03/06, 05:04 PM
i respect them alot for that.
i know everyone bitches at them cause "no one will remember them this time next year"
but the truth is that Franz Ferdinand are some damn good song writers, and even though everyone wrote them off as one trick pony's last year, the new album was just as solid as the last one.
hopefully this band will be around for quite some time.
intergrity or not. who gives a shit? thats a lot of money to put into ads. probably beer.
SingleDoubt
05/03/06, 05:45 PM
good for them... i have no integrity to lose, i'll do the ad.
JunkBondTrader
05/03/06, 06:16 PM
Franz Ferdinand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>95% of bands mentioned on this site.
so good.
livelovecrydie
05/03/06, 06:23 PM
i hate ff's music but i respect that decision (if its really true)
makebelieve327
05/03/06, 07:55 PM
Frankly, I don't really care much(though I suppose I care enough to comment.) They make pretty good, catchy music that I like to listen to on occassion. I commend them for having integrity, I guess. But if I do remember correctly, every time I turned on the TV a year or so ago I would hear "Take Me Out" on those PSP commercials.
shagelific
05/03/06, 08:14 PM
Idiots like you don't know the definition of the term "sell out". There is a difference between a band naturally becoming popular, and a band ridding themselves of honesty and integrity to become popular (or more popular)... you do the math and figure out which one falls under the "sell out" category.
I, for one, find this to be extremely respectable. Very few mainstream artists couldn't give a shit about their music or how much feeling is put into it... most only care about how much money it will make them and will do whatever it takes to increase the flow of cash. It is the main problem with music today.
the idiots are people like you who think bands are sell-outs just because they do sign deals like this. it's ridiculous. they are just people like you and me making money at their job. there is nothing wrong with trying to market their product. you fucking fools.
nulemoni
05/03/06, 09:11 PM
I'm quoting this because some people are STILL to fucking dumb to figure this out:
God people are stupid. They just see "Franz Ferdinand" and come here to bitch about them, no matter what the actual news is.
Thanks for the support. The same thing happened when AP announced that Ryan Clark had been nominated for a Grammy for his work on the artwork for Norma Jean's album. (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=102061) I guess we can say 2 people are intelligent to read and use common sense on here.
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