Victor Zambrano, you never cease to amaze me

[Broken Parachute]

After yesterdays "Strikeout Andruw Jones and leave the ballpark" scenario, the Daily News said that Victor Zambrano tore a ligament in his elbow and will need Tommy John Surgery, sidelining him for the rest of this year.

The worst part is, he knew about his elbow injury for about a week..he told Pedro Martinez and Darren Oliver, but never told Willie Randolph or Omar Minaya. It was Sandy Alomar Sr. (bench coach) that alerted Willie Randolph. He told him that Victor was looking uncomfortable and there had to be something wrong. Willie asked Victor, and Zambrano told him he was fine and he could pitch. Well, obviously not.

Now this leaves 2 holes in our rotation. Bannister, Maine, and Zambrano all gone (Bannister should be back next month and Maine not too long after). This means we have to bring up Jose Lima to start for awhile and possibly Mike Pelfry.

[thejetstolehome]

wow. stupid move on his part. but honestly, i think a lot of pitchers would have done the same thing.

[Broken Parachute]

wow. stupid move on his part. but honestly, i think a lot of pitchers would have done the same thing.

Yeah I actually do kind of feel bad. Pedro said that Zambrano was crying the whole day at the ballpark because he didn't know what to do. Pedro said that all the papers and stuff rip Zambrano to pieces and he gets real stressed out. I do feel bad, but when you're injured..you gotta tell someone like a doctor or a coacj so they can help you.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

sandy alomar sr. is the bench coach

[thejetstolehome]

sandy alomar sr. is the bench coach

what team is jr. on now?

[Broken Parachute]

sandy alomar sr. is the bench coach

Oops. Didn't realize I wrote Jr.

[Emopunkthrice]

what team is jr. on now?
Dodgers, he starts sometime too

[xearlynovemberx]

wow do i hate zambrano more then ever

bring up pelfrey!!

or get zito

[kshtoinks12]

i think its time for the mets to start trading...they're going to make the playoffs and they're not going to get past the first round until they get at least 2 more acceptable pitchers

[xearlynovemberx]

i think its time for the mets to start trading...they're going to make the playoffs and they're not going to get past the first round until they get at least 2 more acceptable pitchers

oh sam

[jaimej]

Hahaha I can't help but laugh. What a fucking retard. Sitting out a few games > possibly ruining your career.

[ThriftWhore]

bring up pelfrey!!

or get zito
we should bring up pelfrey before trying to aquire zito, a's may ask too much for him.

[Broken Parachute]

we should bring up pelfrey before trying to aquire zito, a's may ask too much for him.

The A's want's Lastings Milledge. They said said they're very very interested.

[unwritten]

Hahaha I can't help but laugh. What a fucking retard. Sitting out a few games > possibly ruining your career.

My thoughts exactly.

[Split2nd]

That really does blow. I wonder if they'll put Heilman in the rotation now. Pelfrey's not ready yet, that wouldn't be a smart move.

[ThriftWhore]

That really does blow. I wonder if they'll put Heilman in the rotation now. Pelfrey's not ready yet, that wouldn't be a smart move.
Neither would be giving up Lastings Milledge for Zito. Heilman should be back in the rotation soon enough.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

you take Heilman out of the bullpen, and the bullpen becomes weaker.

[ThriftWhore]

you take Heilman out of the bullpen, and the bullpen becomes weaker.
Yeah, but at this point I think its the only option we have. Jorge Julio is starting to pitch a little bit better, and Duaner Sanchez has been strong. Chad Bradford and Pedro Feliciano have to step up though, along with Darren Oliver.

Oh yeah, and Wagner needs to stop putting guys on in scoring position in the bottom of the 9th.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

say you take Heilman out of the bullpen, and he gets shelled in his starts as many predict he will be due to hitters becoming more familiar with him the 2nd and 3rd time around the lineup, mentally it will set him back once he goes back to the pen.

the last thing you need in the pen is someone with problems in the mind due to performance.

it wont be pelfrey, it wont be a trade that involes milledge either.

[ThriftWhore]

say you take Heilman out of the bullpen, and he gets shelled in his starts as many predict he will be due to hitters becoming more familiar with him the 2nd and 3rd time around the lineup, mentally it will set him back once he goes back to the pen.

the last thing you need in the pen is someone with problems in the mind due to performance.

it wont be pelfrey, it wont be a trade that involes milledge either.
imo, heilman should have been in the rotation to start. pelfrey could be brought up, i think he may be ready.

lets face it though, the mets screwed themselves getting rid of benson and seo, regardless of them being mediocre, we couldn't be in such a bind.

[wessa]

im gonna say it, willie randolph may be the worst manager in the league. The mets are winning on talent alone, the guy makes horrible decisions. Heilman should have been in the starting rotation. Then a starter goes down, and instead of starting heliman he calls up john maine, he pitches average and gets hurt after one start, instead of starting heilman, he starts fucking jose lima. The guys era was like 7.00 last year and he started over 30 games! Put heilman in the rotation, hes chompin at the bit to get there. And don't tell me it will ruin the bullpen. Oliver is solid and sanchez has been rediculously good. Wagner will come around. Feliciano and bradford have been adequate. they need starters right now

[wessa]

imo, heilman should have been in the rotation to start. pelfrey could be brought up, i think he may be ready.

lets face it though, the mets screwed themselves getting rid of benson and seo, regardless of them being mediocre, we couldn't be in such a bind.


damn omar minaya, if he wasnt a racist we would have a sick rotation with benson as our four starter and jae seo as our number five (he may be doing bad with the dodgers, but he was awesome with the mets last year). But minaya only wants to sign latino players so we had to get rid of a whitey and an asian.

[Broken Parachute]

damn omar minaya, if he wasnt a racist we would have a sick rotation with benson as our four starter and jae seo as our number five (he may be doing bad with the dodgers, but he was awesome with the mets last year). But minaya only wants to sign latino players so we had to get rid of a whitey and an asian.

I like you. Haha. Yes, Omar Minaya is racist..he basically supports latin players. Kris Benson SHOULD be our 3rd/4th starter. The Jae Seo deal turned out okay with Duaner Sanchez, but dealing Benson sucks. Julio was shakey to begin with..why did we need him? We had Bartolomo Fortunato who in my opinion is not as bad as people think he is..way better than Julio.

The only thing we can really do right now is put Darren Oliver in the rotation for 3 or 4 starts. He's a converted starter anyway, and Heilman needs to be in that bullen..he's a strong 6th/7th inning reliever.

[wessa]

I like you. Haha. Yes, Omar Minaya is racist..he basically supports latin players. Kris Benson SHOULD be our 3rd/4th starter. The Jae Seo deal turned out okay with Duaner Sanchez, but dealing Benson sucks. Julio was shakey to begin with..why did we need him? We had Bartolomo Fortunato who in my opinion is not as bad as people think he is..way better than Julio.

The only thing we can really do right now is put Darren Oliver in the rotation for 3 or 4 starts. He's a converted starter anyway, and Heilman needs to be in that bullen..he's a strong 6th/7th inning reliever.


im a little worried about bannister. I mean, he got wins but in his first few starts he wasnt great. In the end he prevented the other teams from scoring, but it seemed like every inning there were like 2 men on base for the other team. And now he's injured. Obviously martinez and glavine are solid. I've always LOVED trachsel as a number 3. He eats innings and he will keep you close. Give you 6-7 innings, let up 2-3 runs.

By the way, anybody from new york, do you feel that the local media is trying to justify the julio trade by constantly saying recently that julio is "coming around." He had one fucking save! And he let up a run in the 9th and let the tying man reach third base! How is that a good thing?!

[Broken Parachute]

im a little worried about bannister. I mean, he got wins but in his first few starts he wasnt great. In the end he prevented the other teams from scoring, but it seemed like every inning there were like 2 men on base for the other team. And now he's injured. Obviously martinez and glavine are solid. I've always LOVED trachsel as a number 3. He eats innings and he will keep you close. Give you 6-7 innings, let up 2-3 runs.

By the way, anybody from new york, do you feel that the local media is trying to justify the julio trade by constantly saying recently that julio is "coming around." He had one fucking save! And he let up a run in the 9th and let the tying man reach third base! How is that a good thing?!

Yes, the media seems like Julio has 5 saves in 6 chances or something. He's not "coming around." He had 1 save AND he gave up a run and let numerous guys on base. He was so lucky.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

yeah he is such a racist, thats why he got Nady and LoDuca.

[ThriftWhore]

yeah he is such a racist, thats why he got Nady and LoDuca.
He's not racist, that's for sure. Just waving your nationality flag during negotiations with Latin players, doesn't make you racist. Plus, Anna Benson was a thorn in the side of the Mets, so they had to go. He shouldn't have been traded, though, he was a good 3 or 4 spot starter.

[Broken Parachute]

yeah he is such a racist, thats why he got Nady and LoDuca.
Look at everyone else he signed. Maybe it's not racist, but look at who he signs and brings up. We have one of the best infield prospects Jeff Keppinger who came up 2 seasons ago and did well in a few games..but he didn't play once this year. Omar Minaya suggested that Anderson Hernandez was the better choice at 2B until Kaz came back. Hernandez hit .135 during the month of April with like 2 RBI's and he wouldn't call Keppinger up. Look at every person Minaya has brought in or called up to the Major Leagues besides Nady, Bradford, and LoDuca:

Jorge Julio
Carlos Delgado
Carlos Beltran
Jose Lima
Ramon Castro
Anderson Hernandez
Barolome Fortunato
Jose Valentin
Pedro Feliciano
Duaner Sanchez
Endy Chavez
Victor Zambrano
Pedro Martinez

Maybe it's not racism, but he favors Latin players alot.

[wessa]

yeah he is such a racist, thats why he got Nady and LoDuca.

im not sure if you are being sarcastic but i will assume you are.

If you lived in new york, you would know that there was A LOT of talk this summer about the fact that minaya was bringing in a good amount of latino players. Then the mets started an ad campaign in spanish. It was all over the fan (sports radio 660 in new york).
He traded benson (a solid starter) for jorge julio, who was never known to be good. He bring in two over the hill guys to pinch hit from the bench (julio franco and jose valentin). He traded our other solid starter jae seo (at this point this left us with only three starters) for duaner sanchez, yes this trade worked out but he still unloaded a solid player which we needed for a latino player. Plus, he paid carlos beltran WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Then he goes out and signs carlos delgado. Plus supposedly like all the people he hired in the front office are hispanic.
Trust me, if you were in new york you would know that this was talked about.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

he paid carlos beltran his market value
he traded benson because Anna was a headahce, for solid relief help which they needed
he didnt sign carlos delgado, he traded for him and made a good deal at that.

you are horrible at knowing things about your favorite team.

[Broken Parachute]

Actually..here's something funny for you. He's not racist?

Shea Stadium has used ChaseBank as it's sponsor for a few years now. Starting two years ago, the Mets picked up Banco Populare as their official sponsor. Hmm..

The radio all over NY suggested we change Mr Met's name to "Senor Met." So, I guess we're the only Met fans who think he favors Latin players.

[ThriftWhore]

Then the mets started an ad campaign in spanish. It was all over the fan (sports radio 660 in new york).
Okay, and in New York there are television channels galore that are in spanish. It's just the way it has to be, bilingulal, it's not racist- it's a smart business move.
He traded benson (a solid starter) for jorge julio, who was never known to be good. He bring in two over the hill guys to pinch hit from the bench (julio franco and jose valentin).
Benson's wife was causing trouble, and no matter what Omar said, that was the deciding factor in why Benson was gone. Julio Franco is a leader, if you watch him on the bench he's talking to everybody, keeping everybody pepped up. He was so essential to the Braves even at his age, Brian Jordan can't fill that for the Braves. Jose Valentin may not be that great, but either way its another veteran to help out the young infield and our young core.[/QUOTE]
He traded our other solid starter jae seo (at this point this left us with only three starters) for duaner sanchez, yes this trade worked out but he still unloaded a solid player which we needed for a latino player.
Seo was never respected, he was demoted to the minors at one point last year. Duaner was brought in because our bullpen is what killed us last year, not starting pitching.[/QUOTE]
Plus, he paid carlos beltran WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Then he goes out and signs carlos delgado.
Beltran was getting paid HUGE money no matter WHERE he went, remember the playoffs? He was getting paid big bucks from any team. As for Delgado, I don't see how you're complaining, he tried last year and didn't work, now he got him and it worked out big time. Who cares.
Plus supposedly like all the people he hired in the front office are hispanic.
Trust me, if you were in new york you would know that this was talked about.
Don't you think it's time hispanics and other races where allowed to get those front office jobs?

And I live in NY, and while thats talked about, it's also forgotten about if you think about it indepth.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

sponsors are not determined by the general manager, get the fuck out of here with your stupidity on this subject.

BP probably offered more money than Chase, its that simple.

[Broken Parachute]

sponsors are not determined by the general manager, get the fuck out of here with your stupidity on this subject.

BP probably offered more money than Chase, its that simple.

Whatever, it's just funny more than anything. I don't even care. I'm not complaining..just pointing out things. All these Latin players are obviously helping out.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

its not more funny than anything, you were trying to make a valid point and it just was not there at all.

[Broken Parachute]

its not more funny than anything, you were trying to make a valid point and it just was not there at all.

You should hear all the jokes on the radio over here. It is pretty funny. And I know the GM doesn't pick sponsors, that's what Media relations is for. But it is funny. Listen to the radio stations in NY, you'll see what I mean. And I know my point was obviously not there when I read my own posts now. I just dug myself in a hole, and didn't wanna look retarded getting out of it..so I dug deeper. haha

[wessa]

he paid carlos beltran his market value
he traded benson because Anna was a headahce, for solid relief help which they needed
he didnt sign carlos delgado, he traded for him and made a good deal at that.

you are horrible at knowing things about your favorite team.

1. he should have noticed that beltran's market value was way too high, that is what a good gm would do, beltran had one good series and turned it into a huge contract. We could have got some other guys for a much better value.
2. Anna may have been a headache, but julio SUCKS. He didnt get anywhere near proper value for benson. Yes we needed bullpen help, but he traded away two starters, thus making us need starter help.
3. So i forgot that he traded, sue me.
4. I haven't followed baseball seriously in like 6 years, im sorry i dont remember every little thing.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

1. he should have noticed that beltran's market value was way too high, that is what a good gm would do, beltran had one good series and turned it into a huge contract. We could have got some other guys for a much better value.
2. Anna may have been a headache, but julio SUCKS. He didnt get anywhere near proper value for benson. Yes we needed bullpen help, but he traded away two starters, thus making us need starter help.
3. So i forgot that he traded, sue me.
4. I haven't followed baseball seriously in like 6 years, im sorry i dont remember every little thing.

you havent followed baseball seriously, but you have no problem making statements on what makes a GM a good one?

the mets are in first place, and mets fans can do nothing but complain, STILL.

[wessa]

Don't you think it's time hispanics and other races where allowed to get those front office jobs?

And I live in NY, and while thats talked about, it's also forgotten about if you think about it indepth.


first of all, i was just presenting the argument to a person who never knew about it.

I have no problem that hispanic's get front office jobs, i dont care what race the person is. But i was saying that his hiring practices on the field were similar to his hiring practices in the office. And i had heard on sports radio during the past few months that supposedly all the people that he has brought into the front office have been hispanic. That certainly is not right. It makes it seem like he constantly gives preference to hispanics.

[Broken Parachute]

you havent followed baseball seriously, but you have no problem making statements on what makes a GM a good one?

the mets are in first place, and mets fans can do nothing but complain, STILL.

I'm complaining about Zambrano more than anything..he did this before. Last year when he was injured he pitched hurt and didn't tell anyone until it was too late.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

i wasnt even talking to you

[wessa]

you havent followed baseball seriously, but you have no problem making statements on what makes a GM a good one?

the mets are in first place, and mets fans can do nothing but complain, STILL.

dude, what is up your ass? seriously. I am sorry i don't run my life around sports news. I have followed baseball enough to know that some of his decisions have been questionable, and they are coming into play now that half the rotation is injured.

Honestly, you have to find a better way to channel your anger from always losing to the yankees, taking it out on random people in an online forum is not the way, maybe you should take up golf or something.

[Broken Parachute]

i wasnt even talking to you

I know, I'm just saying.

[wessa]

I'm complaining about Zambrano more than anything..he did this before. Last year when he was injured he pitched hurt and didn't tell anyone until it was too late.


the funniest thing was that in my whole argument, i forgot to mention that he picked up zambrano for our best pitching prospect. Scott Kazmir is going to be a star someday. He is already a nice pitcher who is holding up the tampa rotation.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

dude, what is up your ass? seriously. I am sorry i don't run my life around sports news. I have followed baseball enough to know that some of his decisions have been questionable, and they are coming into play now that half the rotation is injured.

Honestly, you have to find a better way to channel your anger from always losing to the yankees, taking it out on random people in an online forum is not the way, maybe you should take up golf or something.
here is how i channel my anger, i stick my cock up your whore mothers ass.

thats what i think about you, and your knowledge of baseball.

as far as losing to the yankees.....they have played once this year, and didnt lose.

[wessa]

here is how i channel my anger, i stick my cock up your whore mothers ass.

thats what i think about you, and your knowledge of baseball.

as far as losing to the yankees.....they have played once this year, and didnt lose.


that was a good one, did your 6th grade posse tell you to write that?

oh man, you beat the yankees once this year, what happened the last one hundred years?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

you are trying for something that just is not there
i cant wait for your buckner joke, i know thats coming soon.

heres the bottom line, you made ridiculous comments about a sports team you seemingly hardly follow and you base your opnions purely on what other people say.

i'm sorry but i cant take someone seriously as a baseball fan, if they dont even know their top player addition this year came from a trade and not a free agent signing.

[Broken Parachute]

you are trying for something that just is not there
i cant wait for your buckner joke, i know thats coming soon.

heres the bottom line, you made ridiculous comments about a sports team you seemingly hardly follow and you base your opnions purely on what other people say.

i'm sorry but i cant take someone seriously as a baseball fan, if they dont even know their top player addition this year came from a trade and not a free agent signing.

I got my Buckner joke in last week in the MLB thread. I'm good for awhile. ;-) I still wanna play you guys in Fenway so bad..I can't wait.

[histrionics22]

the mets are in first place, and mets fans can do nothing but complain, STILL.

My irony detector just blew up.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

you should look into replacing that if it was important to you

[wessa]

you are trying for something that just is not there
i cant wait for your buckner joke, i know thats coming soon.

heres the bottom line, you made ridiculous comments about a sports team you seemingly hardly follow and you base your opnions purely on what other people say.

i'm sorry but i cant take someone seriously as a baseball fan, if they dont even know their top player addition this year came from a trade and not a free agent signing.

i have no plans to make a buckner joke, i really don't care about that, i actually feel bad for the guy cause he gets a bad rap.
I really do not care if you take me serious or not. I was writing a lot of things quickly and forgot that they got delgado in a trade. I watch some games and read the newspaper reports. I am not some loser who sits at home every night at my computer listening to game casts while posting about how beckett is awesome and will win the cy young.
You really need to get over yourself. Oh man, your a red sox fan! You are so hardcore because you put the red sox in your avatar!! Red Sox fans are so passionate and knowledgeable so i should definately listen to you!

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

reaching, still reaching.

[Broken Parachute]

It seems like people are arguing in every thread on this board.

[LeftWideOpen]

It seems like people are arguing in every thread on this board.

the amount of dumb shit being said is at an all-time high. 3 weeks ago we couldnt even have a red sox thread, but now there's like nine on the suns/lakers.

i blame it on the number of kids who dont know much about sports but all of a sudden wander over from the general forum, make one stupid post, and then not return for like a week. before it used to be like 20-25 regulars who, for the most part, knew a decent amount about sports and could actually hold a civil discussion.

[histrionics22]

10 threads about kobe and nash sucks. I hate basketball

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

some people say stupid things, and get defensive when more knowledgeable people correct them.

thats all it is.

[Broken Parachute]

I'm not kissing ass..I seriously own up to things when I sound retarded. Sometimes I say one stupid thing and I can't get out of it. I do own up to stupid things I say though. There are some people who make this board unenjoyable (sorry if I'm one of them).

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

no you are a good soul.

and you arent a bitch

[Broken Parachute]

no you are a good soul.

and you arent a bitch

Haha

[LeftWideOpen]

people are waaaay too defensive now about their teams/players too. This whole Suns/Lakers thing comes to mind, as does anything to do w/ Barry Bonds. It's crazy how some people can't take criticism, and it seems like its all of a sudden.

for all the talk about "irrational" sox and yanks fans, it's actually one of more civil dialogues going here. jesticles, youmadethescene ..those are all good guys.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

sometimes i dont have time to look at other threads, im too busy penning my masterpiece about josh beckett winning the cy young, as i listen to game casts.

[Split2nd]

Heilman isn't a very good starter, but he's a stud reliever. That's why he's in the pen.

[Split2nd]

sometimes i dont have time to look at other threads, im too busy penning my masterpiece about josh beckett winning the cy young, as i listen to game casts.

Beckett's sucked ass lately, the luck from the first few games has caught up with him. (BABIP, low Ks)

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

read the thread and you would understand why i wrote that.

[bigmike]

After yesterdays "Strikeout Andruw Jones and leave the ballpark" scenario, the Daily News said that Victor Zambrano tore a ligament in his elbow and will need Tommy John Surgery, sidelining him for the rest of this year.

The worst part is, he knew about his elbow injury for about a week..he told Pedro Martinez and Darren Oliver, but never told Willie Randolph or Omar Minaya. It was Sandy Alomar Sr. (bench coach) that alerted Willie Randolph. He told him that Victor was looking uncomfortable and there had to be something wrong. Willie asked Victor, and Zambrano told him he was fine and he could pitch. Well, obviously not.

Now this leaves 2 holes in our rotation. Bannister, Maine, and Zambrano all gone (Bannister should be back next month and Maine not too long after). This means we have to bring up Jose Lima to start for awhile and possibly Mike Pelfry.
hahahahah.

in a related story, Scott Kazmir is 5th in the AL in strikeouts. hahah, silly mets.

[Doug]

i'm not gonna bother reading this whole thread. but you can pitch when you need tommy john surgery. he wasn't risking his career. your arm is just not close to being as strong as it could be because you've hurt a ligament. pitchers pitch before they know they need tommy john all the time.