War vs. Peace

[iTookBackSunday]

Should we have all of these troops over in Iraq fighting for as some say a "pointless" war or is it a good thing that we are taking charge and fighting for the Iraqi people?

Bush or no Bush?

[dpmurph]

The 'war' is over but we are now still fighting off insgurents, which the iraqis cannot do by themselves right now. we definitely need to levae but right now we cant because the place would be in chaos without our presence and help in setting up the government.

and yes to Bush.

[Paul Tao]

you would make a pretty bad pollster.

[preppyak]

you would make a pretty bad pollster.
"pointless war" vs "taking a chance"

haha, I'd love to see the skew in that poll...

[cuetheflames]

make a poll

[noodledancer]

i'm not 100% sure it was our place to free the iraqui people in the first place, but it wasn't a heinous thing to do. at this point, the american forces can't leave until the country is stable.

as for bush... i'm not in love with him, but i don't hate him either. i think we could do better.

[selftitled85]

first off...

how the hell do you go from omg iraq blah blah blah

and then just state out of the blue "bush or no bush?"

but my answer is we need to stay in iraq. we are stuck with it right now. america cant back out now.

and bush sucks but we voted him in. you guys can all bitch and moan and complain about how bush has made our country shit...but if you were 18 in 2004 and did not vote...then YOU are to blame for pretty much a lot of this countries problems...

[iTookBackSunday]

well im not much into politics and all this war stuff on the news but i just wanted to see what people thought on how bush is handling the "war" (I guess it's over) well if i missed any facts or w/e then just feel free to correct me

[Justin_stacy]

The war in Iraq is a joke as is the concept of America being the world’s police. It has to be asked, what has America gained from liberating Iraq? Is it sad that Iraqi’s had to live under the unspeakable horror that was the saddum regime, but was it our responsibility to correct that? Was it worth America lives to correct? A war without a visible, usable, benefit or reason is not a wise war.........and we are seeing that come to fruition now in Iraq.

[Nethack]

i'm not 100% sure it was our place to free the iraqui people in the first place, but it wasn't a heinous thing to do. at this point, the american forces can't leave until the country is stable.


i dont think we should have freed them, you think they hated us before hand, look at them now.

And youd think wed get the hint that they are trying to kill us for simply being there at all, THEY DONT WANT TO BE FREED!!!! DUH!

i mean sure, put an emicy (spelling) there for those who would like to be freed and move that person to a diff country, but making people be somthing they dont want to be.......C'MON

[oldwirehands]

first off...

how the hell do you go from omg iraq blah blah blah

and then just state out of the blue "bush or no bush?"

but my answer is we need to stay in iraq. we are stuck with it right now. america cant back out now.

and bush sucks but we voted him in. you guys can all bitch and moan and complain about how bush has made our country shit...but if you were 18 in 2004 and did not vote...then YOU are to blame for pretty much a lot of this countries problems...

I voted and I feel I will always vote.

[brandnizzle32]

theres an old italian saying and i think it may apply..... " kill em all and let God sort them out "... yea thats what i say..

[splitsecond]

war is hXc

[justinevans]

i dont think we should have freed them, you think they hated us before hand, look at them now.

And youd think wed get the hint that they are trying to kill us for simply being there at all, THEY DONT WANT TO BE FREED!!!! DUH!

i mean sure, put an emicy (spelling) there for those who would like to be freed and move that person to a diff country, but making people be somthing they dont want to be.......C'MON

1. Umm...Iraq is full of tribes. The insurgents are also from terrorists groups. It is not the "freed" Iraqi people.

2. The entire Middle East is a war zone. You have to stop somewhere. The United Nations is the biggest joke and it was put to restore peace mainly between two nations. It does nothing to help restore peace in the countries. Someone has to help and the United States has elected themselves. Of course, they are go into nations that will also benefit them. If they are going to put up the resources, they should get some form of benefit. Or benefit from not doing so... .ie france, germany, russia receiving oil bribes from Iraq.

[love2hateme]

i dont like bush but i think the iraq war was good for like the first 2 year now we are just pissing them off and they arnt going to do what we want and we will be over there for nothing i suport the troops but like so of my friends that have been over there i dont suport the war they are fighting for

[Brett9]

First off, I'm a Bush supporter.

Second, I believe that we're in Iraq for the right reasons, and I do agree with the theory that a democratic Iraq will do a LOT of good in a region of the world that needs it desperately. I do not, however, think that this is something that will happen quickly. These people have been fighting in that part of the world forever...not much can change that. But our objective will - at the very least - provide a foundation for change. "Peace talks" and "Summits" have never worked, and will never work. It's unfortunate, but it's reality.

As for our strategy in this war, I feel that we're harming ourselves. Because of a fear of "global backlash", we are being way too soft on the enemy. If this were the 1940's in the middle of WWII, most of Iraq would be in ruins by now. Instead, we're going "door-to-door" hunting these guys down, having our soldiers killed and wounded needlessly. I say step up the fighting....go on full-offense, we'll win this war in Iraq much faster...but not anytime soon. It's a long war we're fighting, like it or not.

[justinevans]

First off, I'm a Bush supporter.

Second, I believe that we're in Iraq for the right reasons, and I do agree with the theory that a democratic Iraq will do a LOT of good in a region of the world that needs it desperately. I do not, however, think that this is something that will happen quickly. These people have been fighting in that part of the world forever...not much can change that. But our objective will - at the very least - provide a foundation for change. "Peace talks" and "Summits" have never worked, and will never work. It's unfortunate, but it's reality.

As for our strategy in this war, I feel that we're harming ourselves. Because of a fear of "global backlash", we are being way too soft on the enemy. If this were the 1940's in the middle of WWII, most of Iraq would be in ruins by now. Instead, we're going "door-to-door" hunting these guys down, having our soldiers killed and wounded needlessly. I say step up the fighting....go on full-offense, we'll win this war in Iraq much faster...but not anytime soon. It's a long war we're fighting, like it or not.

I think the only real problem I have with the war besides people dying is the lack of an exit strategy. Also, I do not like how we are friendly with Saudi Arabia. They are the worse of them all, well maybe besides Iran.

[love2hateme]

As for our strategy in this war, I feel that we're harming ourselves. Because of a fear of "global backlash", we are being way too soft on the enemy. If this were the 1940's in the middle of WWII, most of Iraq would be in ruins by now. Instead, we're going "door-to-door" hunting these guys down, having our soldiers killed and wounded needlessly. I say step up the fighting....go on full-offense, we'll win this war in Iraq much faster...but not anytime soon. It's a long war we're fighting, like it or not.

the thing is that we learnd that its not right blowing the shit out of are ememies i mean it would make use just as bad as them and plus we wont because OIL OIL OIL but i do think we should fight even though we wont

[x togepi x]

I know i'm in the minority, but we shouldn't have gone and we should have left a long time ago.

Right now, it seems like all the Iraqi national congress is good at doing is fighting with each other and talking about how America sucks. If we were to leave, it could force them to put those differences aside and form a more stable government. Unfortunately, because of Abu Ghraib and other less reported events, American soldiers are often looked at with a sense of distrust. The insurgency can scapegoat our presence there. it's just a mess.


I believe that we're in Iraq for the right reasons, and I do agree with the theory that a democratic Iraq will do a LOT of good in a region of the world that needs it desperately

Explain to me how a democratic Iraq will definitely do good for that part of the world. There is nothing inherent in democracy that would be stopping a democratic Iraq from voting in Islamic Fundamentalists, or supporting terrorism. Democracies standing in the middle east don't prove anything, otherwise would have seen the changes already, as Lebanon has had elections for years.

"Peace talks" and "Summits" have never worked, and will never work. It's unfortunate, but it's reality.

False. Summits stopped nuclear war between the US and the USSR and China. Summits foster cooperation between countries. Often during these summits, countries cooperate on technical issues in process called integration. Countries that are involved with each other in integration are less likely to go to war with each other, since it would devestate their own interests, especially in the areas that the two are working together. This is basic International Relations 101 stuff here.

Because of a fear of "global backlash", we are being way too soft on the enemy.[\quote]

Since when do we care about global backlash? If we cared, we wouldn't have declared war on Iraq since the war itself causes global backlash. Anything we do in the region causes backlash. The reason we are "too soft" is because we actually care about civilian casulties.

[quote=Brett9]If this were the 1940's in the middle of WWII, most of Iraq would be in ruins by now.

And because of the atrocities commited by all sides in WWII such actions are banned by the Geneva Conventions. Targeting civilians is wrong. Why do you want us to kill innocent civilians just to get rid of some militarists? If we were to start bombing places, there would be a disporportionate amount of civilian deaths. Attacking a civilian population center, whether or not there are military personelle in it, isn't legal under international law.

Instead, we're going "door-to-door" hunting these guys down, having our soldiers killed and wounded needlessly.

that's why war is bad, people get hurt and die needlessly. if we were to step up the fighting, like you want, more people would be dead, they just wouldn't be American.

[FallingOut]

I know exactly what is going to happen. Bush will want to save his presidency, and we will pull out before the November elections, so all the gullible idiots in this country will love him again. He will want to make sure that Republicans keep control of Congress, so I can almost guarantee he will make some statement saying that our job is done there, and it was a big success. And it will all be a lie, just like everything else he says.

[Justin_stacy]

I know exactly what is going to happen. Bush will want to save his presidency, and we will pull out before the November elections, so all the gullible idiots in this country will love him again. He will want to make sure that Republicans keep control of Congress, so I can almost guarantee he will make some statement saying that our job is done there, and it was a big success. And it will all be a lie, just like everything else he says.

boy i wouldn't start gambling if i were you.....

[catscradle]

I know exactly what is going to happen. Bush will want to save his presidency, and we will pull out before the November elections, so all the gullible idiots in this country will love him again. He will want to make sure that Republicans keep control of Congress, so I can almost guarantee he will make some statement saying that our job is done there, and it was a big success. And it will all be a lie, just like everything else he says.
Are you retarded or something?
Bush is in his last term, he could give two shits about appeasing us with a charade like that.

[FallingOut]

Are you retarded or something?
Bush is in his last term, he could give two shits about appeasing us with a charade like that.

Are you kidding me? His approval rating right now is at 29%. You think he doesnt care??? Oh my god. Are you aware that Democrats can take control of Congress in November? Do you realize that they might try to impeach him if they gain control? They are going to investigate the shit out of him, all the Iraq stuff, everything. Of course he wants to appease us. Pay attention.

[Justin_stacy]

Are you retarded or something?
Bush is in his last term, he could give two shits about appeasing us with a charade like that.
Bush is the figure head of the party, how he is seen has a domino effect on every other party member. So when he looks bad the whole party looks bad (as the Republican party does now). So he cares, and the party heads care, that his poll numbers are low and his agenda is being ignored. It does no one any good to have a weak president during an election year.

Now of course the pulling out of Iraq is an obvious fool’s statement, but you will see the president start to act differently in hopes of raising his low poll numbers. For example he has just started bring up the idea of putting troops on the border with Mexico (like Mexico has), this is something liberals and neo-cons are extremely opposed too, but something the citizen and most Republicans support. Now Bush has shown he doesn't care about the border, and with two years left in office what happens down there won't affect him personally or politically, but it will affect the party and so by taking a stand now and doing what the citizens want his poll numbers will rise and party members up for election will be able to rally behind the act giving them a boost.

The only bright spot is, is that the DNC is such a mess right now chances are they don’t have the money nor the ideas to take back control of congress even with Bush’s mistakes, but the threat is still there.

[yutsmcgee]

War. All the time.

[FallingOut]

Ok, maybe he wont neccessarily pull out of Iraq completely, but I have a feeling, and other political figures agree, that he will at least start to lower the number of our troops by November. We all know Bush, he will do something to sway people. He will try to boost our moral about Iraq for damn sure, not doubt about it.

[Justin_stacy]

maybe..............but a troop reduction has been on the table for awhile, and nothings happened. More likely i think it will be a push to control the border. Its quicker and easly accomplished, and i personaly think the republicans need a quick fix.

[FallingOut]

maybe..............but a troop reduction has been on the table for awhile, and nothings happened. More likely i think it will be a push to control the border. Its quicker and easly accomplished, and i personaly think the republicans need a quick fix.

I definitely think its going to happen soon. On MSNBC they said a lot of political type people think its going to also. So we will see.

[open mind]

i believe the government we've set up in iraq won't hold together no matter how long we stay there (unless we stay permanently of course), the cultural divisions are just to great and long running for us to fix without a crippling amount of resources used by us, so we should just get out now.
i'm not a fan of bush.

[FScott]

Should we have all of these troops over in Iraq fighting for as some say a "pointless" war or is it a good thing that we are taking charge and fighting for the Iraqi people?

Bush or no Bush?

your not rick james. your just a f a g

[Juliana101]

I was all about the war against Terrorism (Afghanistan), and I thought that Iraq had something to do with terrorism. A few years later and I hear news about X number of boys dying each day which makes me angry. Although I'm a Republican on paper and certain issues, this war has no justification of the loss of American boys. It would be different if it were WW2, but it's not.

If it were up to me, I'd nuke them till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.

[sweethypocrisy]

I was all about the war against Terrorism (Afghanistan), and I thought that Iraq had something to do with terrorism. A few years later and I hear news about X number of boys dying each day which makes me angry. Although I'm a Republican on paper and certain issues, this war has no justification of the loss of American boys. It would be different if it were WW2, but it's not.

If it were up to me, I'd nuke them till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.
Kill yourself.

[Justin_stacy]

I was all about the war against Terrorism (Afghanistan), and I thought that Iraq had something to do with terrorism. A few years later and I hear news about X number of boys dying each day which makes me angry. Although I'm a Republican on paper and certain issues, this war has no justification of the loss of American boys. It would be different if it were WW2, but it's not. .

Afghanistan and Iraq are two totally different examples. Afghanistan wasn't discretionary, where as Iraq was. The American lives lost in Afghanistan were terribly unfortunate, but a direct response had to happen as Clinton proved that blindly lobbing bombs does nothing. But the numbers lost were far less then previous incursions.

America could have done the world a great favor in Afghanistan, had we not been side tracked with the UN’s problems in Iraq. Bush should be commended for his actions in Afghanistan, and loathed, irregardless of WMD’s, for his actions in Iraq.


As of late, the Republican Party has been overtaken by socially liberal Neo-Cons and the "religious" right, so don't fret, you didn't leave the party, the party left you.

[NameTaken69]

If it were up to me, I'd nuke them till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.
hahaha thats rich

[x togepi x]

your not rick james. your just a f a g

could you not be homophobic if you're going to quote thursday lyrics in your sig? thanks.

[Rebs]

I was all about the war against Terrorism (Afghanistan), and I thought that Iraq had something to do with terrorism. A few years later and I hear news about X number of boys dying each day which makes me angry. Although I'm a Republican on paper and certain issues, this war has no justification of the loss of American boys. It would be different if it were WW2, but it's not.

If it were up to me, I'd nuke them till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.
You realize that every war has two sides, right? The American boys are shooting at them and killing their fathers, sons, brothers, etc. every day. Nukes would solve absolutely nothing and would just create more chaos.

Please die.

[FScott]

could you not be homophobic if you're going to quote thursday lyrics in your sig? thanks.


what are you gonna do, beat me up? huh tuff guy huh huh huh
shut up

[x togepi x]

I wasn't trying to be a dick about it. I just know that the band who wrote those songs would probably be ashamed to know someone like you would call someone a homophobic slur and then quote their music.

[FScott]

I wasn't trying to be a dick about it. I just know that the band who wrote those songs would probably be ashamed to know someone like you would call someone a homophobic slur and then quote their music.


oh then let the hand of God strike me down!