Georgia Flag

[xTSTLx]

if you do not live in Georgia, you may not know, or care, about this flag controversy that has been going on, we changed the flag two years ago, and they are about to change it again....this is getting out of hand....everyone is pissed at everyone about it....erggg....he is the new flag proposal...


http://www.flags.com/ga.jpg

tell me what ya think

[amishman]

I'm not sure what the previous flags looked like (I apologize), but I can already see that flag having some problems, it says "In God We Trust". I assume the previous flag had a confederate flag on it?

[xTSTLx]

sorry, i should have filled everyone in on that, my bad.....

the flag that i grew up with was almost entirely a confederate flag, than the african american communites got upset about it because they believed it represented slavery and discrimination, than we chagned it to another flag, than the rednecks got bad because they say that the old flag represents the southern tradition...so they are trying to appease everyone with the new one.....here are pics of the last two GA flags.....

first one...http://www.flags.com/dreamimages/Flags/states/georgialg1.GIF
second one....http://www.flags.com/dreamimages/Flags/states/Georgianewsm.jpg

[Safetyin#]

Oh thats got to be a joke.

[Safetyin#]

I really like the 2nd, because it incorporates all there old flags and allows for a piece of southern heritage.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
I really like the 2nd, because it incorporates all there old flags and allows for a piece of southern heritage.

i totally agree....everything is all fucked up here

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
i totally agree....everything is all fucked up here

hey for real was the first flag a joke?

[xTSTLx]

totally not....i pretty sure that flag is going to become our official flag pretty soon

[Safetyin#]

would you say personally that your state is more conservative or liberal?

[xTSTLx]

it can go back and forth....but recently more republican, we just voted in a new republican govener, who won over a relativly famous incumbent

[evil zach]

Its perfectly understandable why people would be offend by the confederat flag. It is nothing more then a symbol of racial hatred. Each and every one of them should be burned(just like all flags, but that on should go first.) I can all see a problem with "in god we trust" being written on the flag. What about people who don't belive in god. Why dosn't it say "in buddah we trust"? Thats(one of the reasons) why there is a separation of church and state, and printing "in god we trust" on a flag is a violation of that.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
Its perfectly understandable why people would be offend by the confederat flag. It is nothing more then a symbol of racial hatred. Each and every one of them should be burned(just like all flags, but that on should go first.) I can all see a problem with "in god we trust" being written on the flag. What about people who don't belive in god. Why dosn't it say "in buddah we trust"? Thats(one of the reasons) why there is a separation of church and state, and printing "in god we trust" on a flag is a violation of that.

I really agree "in god we trust" shouldn't be on a flag (nor money) if its not what the country and its people TOTALLY stand for, and in america we stand for many religions or none.

Confederate flag though can stand for a few other things then HATRED, although i dont think it should be on a USA state flag becasue it represents a foriegn country, just like a mexican flag shouldn't be on a state flag in the south just because alot of Mexican americas live there, because its a foreign flag (i hope that makes senses).

[evil zach]

It may not represent hatred completlty, but it is a huge part pf what it stands for.

[amishman]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
I really agree "in god we trust" shouldn't be on a flag (nor money) if its not what the country and its people TOTALLY stand for, and in america we stand for many religions or none.

Confederate flag though can stand for a few other things then HATRED, although i dont think it should be on a USA state flag becasue it represents a foriegn country, just like a mexican flag shouldn't be on a state flag in the south just because alot of Mexican americas live there, because its a foreign flag (i hope that makes senses).

I agree about the Confederate flag meaning different things. To the redneck hick, it is against African-Americans (living in a rural area, I should know). However, regardless of what it means to whom, it is still a part of our history. It seems like people now want to erase it from our history and forget that entire era. That's just my take on it though.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
It may not represent hatred completlty, but it is a huge part pf what it stands for.

I just wanted to make you didn't think it tottally represented slavery, cause another "huge" part was states rights adn smaller central governments, which alot of people are still fighting for.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by amishman
I agree about the Confederate flag meaning different things. To the redneck hick, it is against African-Americans (living in a rural area, I should know). However, regardless of what it means to whom, it is still a part of our history. It seems like people now want to erase it from our history and forget that entire era. That's just my take on it though.
It shouldn;t be erased. But it shouldn't be celbrated either. Everytime the confederate flag is flown, it celbrates that era.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by amishman
I agree about the Confederate flag meaning different things. To the redneck hick, it is against African-Americans (living in a rural area, I should know). However, regardless of what it means to whom, it is still a part of our history. It seems like people now want to erase it from our history and forget that entire era. That's just my take on it though.


to a lot of these "redneck hicks", it is a symbol of heritage, many peoples ancestors died fighting for that flag, even though it does stand for something horrible

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
to a lot of these "redneck hicks", it is a symbol of heritage, many peoples ancestors died fighting for that flag, even though it does stand for something horrible

Ya, but its still a flag of a foreign nation and it has no place on an american flag, but i have no problem with them flying it on there own.

Also it stood for other things.

[amishman]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
to a lot of these "redneck hicks", it is a symbol of heritage, many peoples ancestors died fighting for that flag, even though it does stand for something horrible

I'm not sure if it is or not. Many of the ones I can think of hate African-Americans and it has nothing to do with heritage.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Ya, but its still a flag of a foreign nation and it has no place on an american flag, but i have no problem with them flying it on there own.

Also it stood for other things.

i dont think it should be the majority of the flag, although i do think it should be somewhat incorporated into it...this is why i was partial to the second flag

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
i dont think it should be the majority of the flag, although i do think it should be somewhat incorporated into it...this is why i was partial to the second flag

ya i like the second flag too (of those choices), but i can understand an arguement to get it off the flag and i think i'd before it....................all though i think the new ones going to cause alot more problems. exspecially if the state is republican controled.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by evil zach
It may not represent hatred completlty, but it is a huge part pf what it stands for.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by cal1082
Just make a flag that says "Georgia"

Also for those who say the civil war wasnt about slavery, why would the conferderate symbol matter?


No one said the civil war wasn't in part about slavery, it just wasn't the major point.

[yeat182]

first of all, there should be no confederate flag on any state flag...secondly, "In God We Trust" is on all US currency, so if its gonna be on a state flag i don't see how you can argue against it. it doesn't say which god, so presumably only atheists and agnostics will be offended, and as one of the later, i could really care less....

[evil zach]

It should be removed from all money too

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
It should be removed from all money too

yeah, probably, but thats not gonna happen, they'd have to destroy all the current currency, and print new money... think of how much money is would be wasted on trying to change that? use that money to cure cancer or something...it really isnt' that big a deal...

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
It should be removed from all money too

is it on the money in canada?

[evil zach]

nope

[evil zach]

Originally posted by yeat182
yeah, probably, but thats not gonna happen, they'd have to destroy all the current currency, and print new money... think of how much money is would be wasted on trying to change that? use that money to cure cancer or something...it really isnt' that big a deal...
They wouldn't have to destroy all of the current curency. Just leave "in god we trust" off when the print new money.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
nope

but it does have the british crown right?

[evil zach]

On all the coins and some of the bills their is a picture off the queen. Quite frankley I could do without that.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
On all the coins and some of the bills their is a picture off the queen. Quite frankley I could do without that.

but heres the question, which is worse?

[yeat182]

Canada is still techinically a "dominion" of great britain, correct?

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
On all the coins and some of the bills their is a picture off the queen. Quite frankley I could do without that.

i would leave the queen on it if only to piss off the french canadians...

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
Canada is still techinically a "dominion" of great britain, correct?

canada is still part of the commonwealth.

[evil zach]

I'd say having the queen on the money is the lesser of two evils, but still wrong. And yes, canada is a part of the commonwelth. We should withdraw as soon as possible.

[Alex Djaferis]

Originally posted by evil zach
Its perfectly understandable why people would be offend by the confederat flag. It is nothing more then a symbol of racial hatred. Each and every one of them should be burned(just like all flags, but that on should go first.) I can all see a problem with "in god we trust" being written on the flag. What about people who don't belive in god. Why dosn't it say "in buddah we trust"? Thats(one of the reasons) why there is a separation of church and state, and printing "in god we trust" on a flag is a violation of that.

Well said.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by amishman
I agree about the Confederate flag meaning different things. To the redneck hick, it is against African-Americans (living in a rural area, I should know). However, regardless of what it means to whom, it is still a part of our history.

Nazi Germany was a part of our History too. Should we plaster the Nazi symbol on our flags too? The confederate flag doesn't stand for anything good. Besides standing for the discrimination, it also is blatantly anti-american - which is fine, to each his own, however, Georgia is an american state, and that anti-american flag has no business being represented on and American state flag.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
It may not represent hatred completlty, but it is a huge part pf what it stands for. I don't think that's the way that the south sees it. It seems to me that many of them see the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern pride, unity, and independence. Granted, it may not come off like that, but that's how many of them see it, not as a symbol of hate.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by WithStamin
I don't think that's the way that the south sees it. It seems to me that many of them see the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern pride, unity, and independence. Granted, it may not come off like that, but that's how many of them see it, not as a symbol of hate.

yeah but what does southern history have to be proud of that is honorable? And yes, it does stand for independence - independence from America, and if thats the way the feel, I don't understand why they haven't moved out of the country.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
yeah but what does southern history have to be proud of that is honorable? And yes, it does stand for independence - independence from America, and if thats the way the feel, I don't understand why they haven't moved out of the country.
Why are gays allowed to parade around their rainbow flag? Same reason that the southerners are allowed to parade around a confederate flag.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Why are gays allowed to parade around their rainbow flag? Same reason that the southerners are allowed to parade around a confederate flag.

your argument is for shit. the gay flag doesn't stand for a desire to be a seperate country from America. It isn't proud for discrimination against minorities, enslaving people and so on.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
your argument is for shit. the gay flag doesn't stand for a desire to be a seperate country from America. It isn't proud for discrimination against minorities, enslaving people and so on.
im not going by what it stands for, im just saying freedom of speech. or only minorities allowed to have that?

[bossydacow]

I'm all for freedom of speech no matter what the person has to say, but regarding putting an image of a flag that is anti-american on the official state flag of an American state - thats just illogical, and wrong.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
I can all see a problem with "in god we trust" being written on the flag. What about people who don't belive in god. Why dosn't it say "in buddah we trust"? Thats(one of the reasons) why there is a separation of church and state, and printing "in god we trust" on a flag is a violation of that.


well, technically, it doesn't say which God, so it could be buddah, allah, elvis...whoever, they aren't trying to tell you to worship a specific god.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Why are gays allowed to parade around their rainbow flag? Same reason that the southerners are allowed to parade around a confederate flag.

i don't think anyone is argueing that you can't have a confederate flag...they are saying that no state flag should contain the confederate flag in/on it.

[xTSTLx]

back in the 60s when we had the equal-rights movement, the governer of georgia lobbyed to get the flagged chagned so that it HAD the confederate portion on it, his intentions were to discriminate against african american

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
back in the 60s when we had the equal-rights movement, the governer of georgia lobbyed to get the flagged chagned so that it HAD the confederate portion on it, his intentions were to discriminate against african american

also, i didnt make this up.....promise

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by bossydacow
yeah but what does southern history have to be proud of that is honorable? And yes, it does stand for independence - independence from America, and if thats the way the feel, I don't understand why they haven't moved out of the country.

So no one is allowed to have a flag that promotes there culture or beliefs, if at one time it stood for something other then what it does now?

What about the protesters in SF/NY (and allover the United states) that were waving the Russia flag as a sign of socialism and anti-capitalism. Should these individuals be looked down on because they were flying a "Racist" flag or should we call them "racists"? I mean, I know that’s not what they were promoting it as, but the fact remains that the communist flag at one time still stood for racism? How many cultures did the Russians destroy, how many people did they enslaved, how many religions did they crush or oppress, and how many countries did they control or take by force? And all this was done because the soviet people saw themselves (and there ideas) as superior to just about everyone else? Sounds like racist acts to.

See what you ignore is that the meaning of things change over time, at one time the stars and bars might have stood for slave and oppression (along with the American flag minus a few stars), but it nolonger does.

And although I agree with you that it shouldn’t be on an American state flag, because it does represent a foreign nation, there is no reason why those who do hold it as sacred to fly it or wear it any way they choose. Every other culture or groups, in America, even those without the greatest of pasts, are allowed to use there flags or symbols any way they see fit, with out being looked down on, why does this not apply to southern too?

[Kingskank]

the confederate flag has been represented in the georgian flag for a long time right? I dont think its wrong to have it in there if it has always been in there...

But once they changed it in the first place they made the decision of picking political correctness over the history of their state, so to go back on it now is a slap in the face to everyone they changed it for originally. They made a stand and they should stick with it. Once they acknowledged that what the symbol represented was more important than the history, they cant go back and say "oh we're going to have it anyway"

As for the statement about "in God we trust"...the word God trancends religion...buddha is the buddhist god, allah is god...just because Christians call their god God doesnt mean the title cant comply for all religions. Although im not sure if thats what is meant when its said so i guess i see the point.

As for Canada, we dont have the statement on our currency but we do have a similar one in our national anthem...take that for what its worth

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by Kingskank

But once they changed it in the first place they made the decision of picking political correctness over the history of their state, so to go back on it now is a slap in the face to everyone they changed it for originally.


good point

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
So no one is allowed to have a flag that promotes there culture or beliefs, if at one time it stood for something other then what it does now?




they are saying that a US state should not have a flag that denotes rebellion, anti-american beliefs, slavery, and racism. if you want to carry around a flag like that, it is your right, but a State should not.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
they are saying that a US state should not have a flag that denotes rebellion, anti-american beliefs, slavery, and racism. if you want to carry around a flag like that, it is your right, but a State should not.

actually thats the same thing im saying.

+

Just cause you think it denotes one thing, that doesn't always make it so. no one can judge how another feels on a subject and most of the people that fly it, i would say, fly it as a symbol for SMALL CENTRAL GOVERNMENT or freedom from an oppressive/ over bearing gov. or pride in ones state (all of which were founding principles of america), not racism not slave.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Kingskank
As for Canada, we dont have the statement on our currency but we do have a similar one in our national anthem...take that for what its worth
One of the many reasons why I won't rise for the national anthem. Unless I'm in school. I don't know about the rest of canada, but in Ontario you can suspended is you don't. I have no desire to be known as "Zach the anarchist" AND "zach the kid who gets suspended" Being an anarchist gets me in enough trouble already

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
One of the many reasons why I won't rise for the national anthem. Unless I'm in school. I don't know about the rest of canada, but in Ontario you can suspended is you don't. I have no desire to be known as "Zach the anarchist" AND "zach the kid who gets suspended" Being an anarchist gets me in enough trouble already

haha

[Safetyin#]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85078,00.html

[xTSTLx]

not a bad move, leave it up to the people

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
not a bad move, leave it up to the people

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=7&u=/ap/20030426/ap_on_re_us/georgia_flag_19

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85219,00.html

[Safetyin#]

ATLANTA — A new state flag without the Confederate emblem (search) was raised over the Capitol on Thursday after a redesign aimed at laying to rest a dispute that inflamed race relations and roiled Georgia politics.





As the old flag came down, drivers slowed their cars to watch and there were scattered cheers and boos from a crowd on the Capitol lawn.

"This is a historic day in Georgia and I didn't want my daughter to miss out on it," said Lateshia Jackson, a black woman who brought her 6-year-old Nikki to the flag raising. "The process worked and these redneck holdouts can carry all the signs and boo all they want to. It's a good day for me, my daughter and some lost sanity in Georgia."

The new flag went up immediately after Gov. Sonny Perdue (search) signed a bill to replace an unpopular design adopted in 2001.

The 2001 flag was a blue banner that contained a small Confederate emblem along the lower edge. It succeeded Georgia's 1956 flag, which was dominated by a large Confederate emblem that was added by the Legislature at the height of Southern resistance to integration.

The brand-new flag that was hoisted Thursday contains the Georgia coat of arms and the words "In God We Trust" on a blue field in the top left corner, with three red-and-white stripes to the right.

Georgia voters will pick between the new flag and the 2001 flag in a referendum next March. Few give the old flag any chance to win.

Many groups had lobbied for Perdue to veto the bill, but the governor said it would be in the state's best interest to move on.

The 2001 flag was pushed through by Democratic Gov. Roy Barnes (search) after a similar controversy in South Carolina led to an economic boycott directed by the NAACP. But the 2001 flag was never popular, and its busy blue banner with a huge state seal was voted the nation's ugliest by a group of flag experts.

Perdue, Georgia's first Republican governor in more than a century, ousted Barnes in November after promising to let people vote on the flag's design.

As governor, Perdue proposed a vote that included the 1956 flag as an option, but in the end, that didn't happen. After months of arguing — and a threat of an economic boycott by black groups — lawmakers drew up a new flag instead.

The compromise angered supporters of the 1956 flag, including about a dozen who stood outside the Capitol on Thursday to protest the new flag.

"All we got was another politician's rag," said Tim Pilgrim, a protester from Smyrna. "There's no real referendum here. It's just a slap in the face, and we've been betrayed again. Congratulations, Georgia — here comes rag No. 2."

Perdue said he would have liked to give Georgians more options on which flag to choose.

"I can understand the disillusionment of those who have worked for a referendum on the post-1956 flag," he said. "I have consistently said that the citizens of Georgia deserve the opportunity to vote on their state flag. Despite its limitations, this bill meets that requirement."

Perdue said he would have voted for the pre-1956 Georgia flag, which is similar to the new flag. He said he does not fear political retaliation from Southern heritage supporters during the next election.

"Good, well-meaning people could and do have opposite views on the flag," he said. "That doesn't make one group morally superior to another."

By late summer, 25,000 of the new flags are expected to be on display at schools, fire stations and other government buildings across the state.