Poll: With him till the end?

[Matthew]

I couldnt make a poll for this so just type out your response:

Did you support the War on Iraq?
Would you support a war with Syria? Why or Why not?
Would you support a war with Iran? Why or Why not?
What about North Korea?
Do you think any of the above wars are likely to occur?
Will our success in foriegn conquest, i mean conflict, influence your voting in 2004? If you cant vote, pretend you can, I want an answer.

[evil zach]

I did not support the war with Iraq.
I won't support a war with syria. They have never agreed to destroy chemical or biolagical wepons, and I have seen no concrete evidence that they are harbouring senoior Iraqi officals. We also can't go around waging war on any government we don't agree with. Sure, we get rid of a few bad guys, but when dose it end?
I don't know enough about the situation with Iran to comment on it.
I don;t support a war with north korea, but right now I don't think thats very likley.
I don't live in the US so it won't efect how I vote.

[yeat182]

i did support the war

i would support military action (maybe not a full fledge invasion) if it is discovered that they have harbored Iraqs banned WMD's...

i don't support a war with Iran, however, they are a major supporter of terrorism and if they continue down that path, they will have to face the consequences...

i don't support a war with N. Korea, first, they need to attempt to solve it diplomatically. secondly, depending on where russia and china end up on the issue, a war with N. Korea could turn into WWIII and there is a fairly good chance that we wouldn't win that war...

I don't think any of the wars above would be all that likely to occur, military "action" maybe, but i doubt "war"

i plan on voting for the person i think is best at in 2004, we still don't know who that is, so i can't really say...

[BrandNewRock05]

Did you support the War on Iraq?

Yes

Would you support a war with Syria? Why or Why not?

Yes, need to remove a world evil

Would you support a war with Iran? Why or Why not?

Yes, need to remove a world evil

What about North Korea?

Yes, need to remove a world evil
Do you think any of the above wars are likely to occur?

Syria, probably. North Korea, maybe. Iran, doubtful.

Will our success in foriegn conquest, i mean conflict, influence your voting in 2004? If you cant vote, pretend you can, I want an answer.

First of all EMO, you are a dumbfuck. It was never about the oil. And if anything the war strengthened my support for Bush. He went against what the UN said. That shows character. He did what he felt was right, despite what the UN felt. If some liberal had done that, then he would already have a memorial in the making for him. So yes it influenced things for the better.

[bossydacow]

I don't feel I can support any of these wars because the rest of the world is already pissed off at us, and if we invade any other countries, it would only further isolate us, and breed more terrorism. I was against the war in Iraq, and I will not vote for Bush come next election. I'm not sure how likely it is for these wars to occur - I'd like to think Bush isn't that thick, but he's let me down before.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05

First of all EMO, you are a dumbfuck. It was never about the oil. And if anything the war strengthened my support for Bush. He went against what the UN said. That shows character. .

Yeah, but what kind of character. Hitler went against the rest of the world, so did Saddam. They have character too I guess.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Yeah, but what kind of character. Hitler went against the rest of the world, so did Saddam. They have character too I guess.
Except that Bush was removing a world evil in doing so. Bush didnt kill millions of his own people. He went after someone who killed millions of their own people. Sounds like a good deed to me

[bossydacow]

yes and in removing world evil, he probably got Osama a whole sack of new recruits.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
yes and in removing world evil, he probably got Osama a whole sack of new recruits. what do you mean by that?

[bossydacow]

I'm saying due to the propaganda that is easily passed around the middle east, I'm pretty sure there are some 10 year old Iraqi kids, who probably hear some shitty stuff about America, will in ten years be looking to create a day that will make 9/11 look like a day at the amusement park. Bush should have taken this into account, instead its a mess that our generation will have to pick up, and pay for.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'm saying due to the propaganda that is easily passed around the middle east, I'm pretty sure there are some 10 year old Iraqi kids, who probably hear some shitty stuff about America, will in ten years be looking to create a day that will make 9/11 look like a day at the amusement park. Bush should have taken this into account, instead its a mess that our generation will have to pick up, and pay for.
ok, but were we supposed to sit on our ass and let saddam kill another 1.5 million people? doubt it. everyone got all pissy at the US when we took so long to help out the Jews in Germany, this is a nearly identical situation. But now we are getting yelled at for helping? You cant please everyone

[bossydacow]

for someone who preaches self-sufficency, you're really suddenly into lending a hand. Millions of other people have died at the hands of a dictating leader, and we have done nothing about them. Bush's intentions weren't to help the iraqi people. his intentions were to scare the shit out terrorist by proving how powerful America was, and Iraq was easy target because Saddam was a high profile ass hole.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
ok, but were we supposed to sit on our ass and let saddam kill another 1.5 million people? doubt it. everyone got all pissy at the US when we took so long to help out the Jews in Germany, this is a nearly identical situation. But now we are getting yelled at for helping? You cant please everyone


it wasn't 1.5 million, its 500,000.

and he hasn't killed large amounts of people since the 80's, when he had FULL US SUPPORT TO DO SO.

like bossy said, we don't give a fuck about the Iraqi people, the war was for other reasons.

[EmoMoose86]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
and he hasn't killed large amounts of people since the 80's, when he had FULL US SUPPORT TO DO SO.

prove it.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
Do you think it is a good thing for the Iraqi people to be free from Saddam? Because to be against something just because you are scared of the consequences is being more spineless than jellyfish (too take the lyrics from Brand New). If you know something is right you do it, you don't pussy foot around it because of the consequences.

yes freeing the iraqi people was a good thing - but that wasn't what Bush's intentions were, so for the 5 billionth time, quit using the liberating iraqis excuse. It's invalid. We are out to make the world a safer place, the question is: are we more safe now? I'd say no. The anti-americanism movement has flared up, and will continue to grow until these weapons of mass destruction appear.

[evil zach]

too bad the never will

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by evil zach
too bad the never will

exactly.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
how are you so sure this was his intention.

and not a combination of: protecting us, free them, and just making the overall world a safer place. Whether you think it's a safer place now is up for debate obviously, but you dont know the administrations reasons. I seriously doubt there's just one.

you may be right. but I honestly don't think the Bush Administrations intentions were at all for freeing the iraqi people.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
you may be right. but I honestly don't think the Bush Administrations intentions were at all for freeing the iraqi people.
who are you to judge his intentions? have you met him? are you in a similar position that he is? no. is there a possibility that not all of his purpose for war was freeing the iraqis? yes. but is it safe to say that his main goal was to free the persecuted? yes. innocent people are being killed. i believed it was 1.5 million, but it may have been 500,000. that is still too many. it is still a mass murder, genocide. and it needed to be ended.

[WithStamin]

Did you support the War on Iraq? Yes. It was necessary and fairly painless.
Would you support a war with Syria? Why or Why not? No, not at this point. They seem to be cooperating fairly well, and there's no real reason to that we know of.
Would you support a war with Iran? Why or Why not? No, again, not at this point. They are not as much of a threat as Iraq was. If they become more dangerous, military action may become necessary eventually.
What about North Korea? Diplomacy might be working. These talks that are coming up may be progress, or they may be N. Korea stalling for time. If these talks are over and no progress is made and the process doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I would support the President in a choice to use military action. I wouldn't be out there lobbying for military, but I would support it if that choice was made.
Do you think any of the above wars are likely to occur? Not within the next year.
Will our success in foriegn conquest, i mean conflict, influence your voting in 2004? If you cant vote, pretend you can, I want an answer. Yes. If we get into wars we can't win, that's a good sign that we have a defunct president, and I wouldn't support someone who did that.

[EmoMoose86]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
and he hasn't killed large amounts of people since the 80's, when he had FULL US SUPPORT TO DO SO.

Originally posted by EmoMoose86
prove it.

GASP! he hasn't replied... perhaps he made it up?

[Matthew]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05


First of all EMO, you are a dumbfuck. It was never about the oil.

That was a tad unnecesary. I'm fairly sure all I did was post a poll to see what people's opinion on US foreign policy was. No need to get defensive. But since you did....


The US military DID support Saddam's pogroms. Why? Because we didn't like Iran. As for "proof", our government was open about the increase of military support for the Iraqi government after the gassings. I believe it was your idol, Reagan, who was responsible. We manipulate these countries, using them as pawns, and freak when it bites us in the ass. Like when we funded Bin Laden so he would fight the Russians for US.

As fars as oil, 50% of Iraq's exported oil goes to the US. If we take the fields we can surpass the "oil-for-food" program that we so politely crippled the Iraqi economy with and get even more oil.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by ScreamoEMOBoy
That was a tad unnecesary. I'm fairly sure all I did was post a poll to see what people's opinion on US foreign policy was. No need to get defensive. But since you did....


The US military DID support Saddam's pogroms. Why? Because we didn't like Iran. As for "proof", our government was open about the increase of military support for the Iraqi government after the gassings. I believe it was your idol, Reagan, who was responsible. We manipulate these countries, using them as pawns, and freak when it bites us in the ass. Like when we funded Bin Laden so he would fight the Russians for US.

As fars as oil, 50% of Iraq's exported oil goes to the US. If we take the fields we can surpass the "oil-for-food" program that we so politely crippled the Iraqi economy with and get even more oil.
Are we going to fight a war with Taiwan over Nike's? I dont think so, but where do most of our Nike's come from....Taiwan. And most of our gas comes from Canada you dumbfuck.

[evil zach]

That was a horible analogy. Canadas gas and oil is running out.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Are we going to fight a war with Taiwan over Nike's? I dont think so, but where do most of our Nike's come from....Taiwan. And most of our gas comes from Canada you dumbfuck.

Umm... no. Shut the fuck the up. I said 50% of Iraq's oil comes to us, not that they are our biggest source. Most of our oil is domestic you idiot.

And taiwan.... no relevance. "Nike's" dont stimulate the economy as much as oil does, bitch. Please, remove the FOX NEWS Microchip from that pitiful excuse for a brain that sits inside your ugly head, and think for once in your life.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
That was a horible analogy. Canadas gas and oil is running out.
So? I have an analogy, but not a great one. If you are peeing, you run out, but does that mean you are no longer peeing? No. Bad analogy i know

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So? I have an analogy, but not a great one. If you are peeing, you run out, but does that mean you are no longer peeing? No. Bad analogy i know

so your saying, when your done peeing you should go poke yourself with more holes hoping to find pee?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by ScreamoEMOBoy
Please, remove the FOX NEWS Microchip from that pitiful excuse for a brain that sits inside your ugly head, and think for once in your life.

How do we know you think for your self?

How do we know your not just some talking puppet with a liberal hand up your ass?

Also how do you know hes ugly?

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
How do we know you think for your self?

How do we know your not just some talking puppet with a liberal hand up your ass?

Also how do you know hes ugly?

For starters, I dont throw out statistics and figures that are OBVIOUSLY wrong. Canada IS our largest trading partner, but its mainly resources taken from their forests, like paper, not gas or oil. You people need to crack a book once in awhile.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by The Nephilm

and he hasn't killed large amounts of people since the 80's, when he had FULL US SUPPORT TO DO SO.


Actually he did, following the first guld war, he crushed uprisings by the shittes in the south and kurds in the north killing thousands, both with the support of France, Germany, Russia, Syria, the UN.....................etc. So shut up, Saddum wasn't the great leader you try to make him out to be.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by ScreamoEMOBoy
For starters, I dont throw out statistics and figures that are OBVIOUSLY wrong. Canada IS our largest trading partner, but its mainly resources taken from their forests, like paper, not gas or oil. You people need to crack a book once in awhile.
do you want to find me that source that says iraq gives us 50% of their oil? Because supposedly they have the largest oil fields in the world aside from Saudi Arabia. Most of our imported oil comes from Canada, and most of our oil is domestic. I believe that somewhere from 4-6 percent of our oil is from Iraq. Now explain to me how 50% of one of the largest oil fields in the world only equals out to 4-6%?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
do you want to find me that source that says iraq gives us 50% of their oil? Because supposedly they have the largest oil fields in the world aside from Saudi Arabia. Most of our imported oil comes from Canada, and most of our oil is domestic. I believe that somewhere from 4-6 percent of our oil is from Iraq. Now explain to me how 50% of one of the largest oil fields in the world only equals out to 4-6%?

Most of iraqs oil goes to the 3 countries that supported saddum in the war, we actually followed the oil for food program and didn't recieve all the much oil from them.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by ScreamoEMOBoy

As fars as oil, 50% of Iraq's exported oil goes to the US. If we take the fields we can surpass the "oil-for-food" program that we so politely crippled the Iraqi economy with and get even more oil.



with out Saddam Hussein in power, the "oil for food" program is irrelevant. also, saddam hussein crippled his economly, not the US, he chose not to cooperate with the UN, and he chose to use the money from the oil for food program to either build new weapons, build new palaces, or buy food, such as powdered milk, and turn around and sell them to other countries, again, stealing both the food and money out of the hands of the iraqi people. but again, we wouldn't want to blame saddam hussein for anything that happened in Iraq would we?

[Matthew]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
do you want to find me that source that says iraq gives us 50% of their oil? Because supposedly they have the largest oil fields in the world aside from Saudi Arabia. Most of our imported oil comes from Canada, and most of our oil is domestic. I believe that somewhere from 4-6 percent of our oil is from Iraq. Now explain to me how 50% of one of the largest oil fields in the world only equals out to 4-6%?

The statistic comes from the French Embassy, in a letter to USD News Magazine. And if you think France opposed the war for oil, they recieve only 6% of Iraq's exported oil.

The reason so little profit is made of large oil fields is because UN Sanctions prohibit large amounts of oil trade.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by ScreamoEMOBoy
The statistic comes from the French Embassy, in a letter to USD News Magazine. And if you think France opposed the war for oil, they recieve only 6% of Iraq's exported oil.

The reason so little profit is made of large oil fields is because UN Sanctions prohibit large amounts of oil trade.
I never said a damn word about profit. And find me a link to Iraq's 50% going to the US. If they are like the second or third largest oil well in the world, and they give half to the US, how does only 4-6% of our oil come from Iraq?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I never said a damn word about profit. And find me a link to Iraq's 50% going to the US. If they are like the second or third largest oil well in the world, and they give half to the US, how does only 4-6% of our oil come from Iraq?


Major export trading partners: US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6%

Heres one that says iraqi exports 46.2% of its "stuff" to America, now tell me what outside of oil does iraq have to export? So in turn America imports 46.2% of all Iraqi oil.

http://cf.heritage.org/index/country.cfm?ID=69.0

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Major export trading partners: US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6%

Heres one that says iraqi exports 46.2% of its "stuff" to America, now tell me what outside of oil does iraq have to export? So in turn America imports 46.2% of all Iraqi oil.

http://cf.heritage.org/index/country.cfm?ID=69.0
then how does that equate to 4-6% of our oil supply?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
then how does that equate to 4-6% of our oil supply?

just cause we import 50% of what they produce, doesn't mean that that amount is even a drop in the bucket of what we use in a day.

There production is really small, so 50% of it isn't all that much.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
just cause we import 50% of what they produce, doesn't mean that that amount is even a drop in the bucket of what we use in a day.

There production is really small, so 50% of it isn't all that much.
So it doesnt really matter how much of their oil we take, its how much of an impact they have on us. If we take 100% of Lichstenstiens oil, that isnt much. So this bullshit that the war was about oil is crap, because like you said safety, its a drop in the bucket

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So it doesnt really matter how much of their oil we take, its how much of an impact they have on us. If we take 100% of Lichstenstiens oil, that isnt much. So this bullshit that the war was about oil is crap, because like you said safety, its a drop in the bucket

I never said the war was about oil, only an idiot would say that, but im also not going to set around and act like we were innocent in this whole matter.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
I never said the war was about oil, only an idiot would say that, but im also not going to set around and act like we were innocent in this whole matter.
I know you never said the war was about oil. That comment of mine was directed towards that dumbass Screamo. And I also agree with you in the fact that we were not innocent in the whole matter as well.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So it doesnt really matter how much of their oil we take, its how much of an impact they have on us. If we take 100% of Lichstenstiens oil, that isnt much. So this bullshit that the war was about oil is crap, because like you said safety, its a drop in the bucket

It's important you dumb shit because if Iraq was producing all of it's available oil, and 50% of it was going to the US, it would make up an incredibly large amount of our oil imports, probably around 90%. The reason we only get 4-6% of our imports from Iraq is due to UN sanctions that only allow a very, very small amount of their oil to be sold internationally.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
It's important you dumb shit because if Iraq was producing all of it's available oil, and 50% of it was going to the US, it would make up an incredibly large amount of our oil imports, probably around 90%. The reason we only get 4-6% of our imports from Iraq is due to UN sanctions that only allow a very, very small amount of their oil to be sold internationally.
its not about the oil

[yeat182]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
It's important you dumb shit because if Iraq was producing all of it's available oil, and 50% of it was going to the US, it would make up an incredibly large amount of our oil imports, probably around 90%. The reason we only get 4-6% of our imports from Iraq is due to UN sanctions that only allow a very, very small amount of their oil to be sold internationally.


thats true, but if they were producing all the available oil they could, we most likely wouldn't be purchasing 50% of it, we'd be purchasing roughtly the same number of barrels we are now, which would then be a much lower percentage of Iraq's total oil...

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
its not about the oil

I didn't say it was, but don't be fucking nieve and say that Iraq's oil is insignifigant.

[EmoMoose86]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I didn't say it was, but don't be fucking nieve and say that Iraq's oil is insignifigant.

Iraq's oil will benifit the world

But mostly it will benifit Iraq its self... because it's going to help their economy rise again, put money in people's pockets (Kuwaitis get nearly 50,000 KD a year because they are "kuwaitis" because of their oil production)

I think Iraq's going to become a truely great nation with its resources