the thread to end all other threads....

[sundaysetsashes]

GB
NY Mets 23 14 .622
Philadelphia 22 15 .595 1


one game back. after a 1 - 6 start by the phils and an 8 - 1 start by the mets. we just swept (who on friday) the team with the best record in the NL. we shutout one of the more powerful offenses in the NL with a guy whos ERA was 6.50 coming in and a reliever who's on his last legs. their combined age: 74. we just had a guy come off the bench and hit two solo jacks while throwing up in the dugout because he has the flu. and on friday, baseball's next big pitcher one hit a team who's biggest star told media he wouldnt watch tape of him because he hasnt pitched in the majors yet. what did he do? griffey struck out twice.

earlier in the week we took 2 of 3 from the division leaders. we swept mini-series from the marlins and braves. we swept the giants.

if you cant get excited about the phillies yet, then kill yourself.

im goin out to eat but when i come back im expecting this thread to be filled with phillies excitement and all the nay sayers will be ignored.


red means go

[Goodbye Forever]

They'll be in first place by the end of the week.

(proceeds to foot in mouth)

How long they'll stay there remains to be seen.

[Spicoli hey bud]

no, but i'm stealing your sig pic

[Chriz2z]

I just picked up Cole Hamels.

[Dirty Ernie]

if you cant get excited about the phillies yet, then kill yourself.

i love it

lets keep this thread going

[imirish06]

RED MEANS GO!



but i still think they should go back to these colors.

[mat1419]

what a win today...they had no business taking that and they stole a sweep from the reds.

brewers are up next

[wessa]

GB
NY Mets 23 14 .622
Philadelphia 22 15 .595 1


one game back. after a 1 - 6 start by the phils and an 8 - 1 start by the mets. we just swept (who on friday) the team with the best record in the NL. we shutout one of the more powerful offenses in the NL with a guy whos ERA was 6.50 coming in and a reliever who's on his last legs. their combined age: 74. we just had a guy come off the bench and hit two solo jacks while throwing up in the dugout because he has the flu. and on friday, baseball's next big pitcher one hit a team who's biggest star told media he wouldnt watch tape of him because he hasnt pitched in the majors yet. what did he do? griffey struck out twice.

earlier in the week we took 2 of 3 from the division leaders. we swept mini-series from the marlins and braves. we swept the giants.

if you cant get excited about the phillies yet, then kill yourself.

im goin out to eat but when i come back im expecting this thread to be filled with phillies excitement and all the nay sayers will be ignored.


red means go

first, the third game of the mets series was bs, a rained out 5 inning win? come on...
and sweeping the marlins, giants, and braves, cause those are obivously three of the better teams in the league...

Second, they have been gaining on the mets but the mets only have 3 starters. Everyone else is hurt. Jose Lima is our number 4 starter right now, the guy shouldnt be any higher than double A. Once the rotation gets healthy the mets will start winning like they were early in the season.

Third, the rookie pitched one game. Can we please give him at least 5 starts before people start labeling him the savior of the pitching staff.

Yes the phillies have been doing well, and yes they have talent, but its too early to go crazy over this team.

[sundaysetsashes]

first, the third game of the mets series was bs, a rained out 5 inning win? come on...
and sweeping the marlins, giants, and braves, cause those are obivously three of the better teams in the league...

Second, they have been gaining on the mets but the mets only have 3 starters. Everyone else is hurt. Jose Lima is our number 4 starter right now, the guy shouldnt be any higher than double A. Once the rotation gets healthy the mets will start winning like they were early in the season.

Third, the rookie pitched one game. Can we please give him at least 5 starts before people start labeling him the savior of the pitching staff.

Yes the phillies have been doing well, and yes they have talent, but its too early to go crazy over this team.


yeah coming from someone in NY I thought that u were going to be all about the phillies. look at our rotation, we dont have anyone intimidating but we're winning. put martinez and glavine on our team and we're a 120 win team

[wessa]

yeah coming from someone in NY I thought that u were going to be all about the phillies. look at our rotation, we dont have anyone intimidating but we're winning. put martinez and glavine on our team and we're a 120 win team


HAHAHAHAHAHA, you obviously know so much about baseball, the phillies a 120 win team with pedro and glavine...

First of all, glavine is having a rebirth this season. So the mets have one fantastic pitcher and one very good pitcher. They are pitching two guys at the back of the rotation who shouldnt even be in the major leagues. The Phillies rotation is much more solid than the mets. You don't need someone to intimidate. Greg Maddux doesn't intimidate anyone, but he goes out and dominates batters. The phililes have solid guys. And I even said at the beginning of the season that the phillies may have the best offense in the league on paper. I never said the phillies were bad, i just said that you need to wait until they start dominating a healthy mets team, the cardinals, the astros before all of this hoopla.

And cincinnati isnt an elite team. They cannot pitch, they will drop to the middle of the decision in a week.

[sundaysetsashes]

yeah i dont know shit about baseball...right....if you have ur rotation like this 1)pedro 2)glavine 3)meyers 4)lieber 5) hamels im pretty sure u can win 120 games. thats an insane rotation. and health wise, look at us. we lost 2/3 of our outfield this weekend, abreu may be back on tuesday night. we just had the injury bug bite us but we piled on. i dont want to hear the injury shit; its part of the game. i think we could go toe to toe with any team in the league right now. bring back those cardinals. id take them any day. slow and steady wins the race

[surviveanything]

complete moron. keep bitching about your injuries, thats an excuse to explain losing 2 of 3 to the phillies. AND letting a team start 1-6 creep up on you in the standings. you obviously are a bias mets fan and cannot recognize when a team is better than your hometown. If we beat your team more times than your team beat our team. than our team is better. and our team being the phillies.

[sundaysetsashes]

thats alot of "teams"

[wessa]

yeah i dont know shit about baseball...right....if you have ur rotation like this 1)pedro 2)glavine 3)meyers 4)lieber 5) hamels im pretty sure u can win 120 games. thats an insane rotation. and health wise, look at us. we lost 2/3 of our outfield this weekend, abreu may be back on tuesday night. we just had the injury bug bite us but we piled on. i dont want to hear the injury shit; its part of the game. i think we could go toe to toe with any team in the league right now. bring back those cardinals. id take them any day. slow and steady wins the race


ok, but the point is that lieber and myers are your 1 and 2 pitchers. There is no way you could have glavine and pedro and keep those two, it doesnt work that way. You cant just slide your best two pitchers down to make room for other guys cause real baseball doesn't work like that.

Now as far as getting bit by the injury bug. Abreu is batting .257, it's not like you lost the old abreu. And losing starting pitchers is MUCH more hurtful than losing position players. There are 8 hitters in a lineup. Oh man you lost abreu and rowand for a handful of games. You still have burrell, utley, howard, rollins, guys who can produce. But if you lose a starting pitcher, what do you have. The mets are pitching jose lima! The mets lost brian bannister who was 2-0 with a 2.89 era in 5 starts. Then zambrano goes down right when he starts pitching well. You cannot compare that to losing two outfielders for a couple of games.

[sundaysetsashes]

ok, but the point is that lieber and myers are your 1 and 2 pitchers. There is no way you could have glavine and pedro and keep those two, it doesnt work that way. You cant just slide your best two pitchers down to make room for other guys cause real baseball doesn't work like that.

Now as far as getting bit by the injury bug. Abreu is batting .257, it's not like you lost the old abreu. And losing starting pitchers is MUCH more hurtful than losing position players. There are 8 hitters in a lineup. Oh man you lost abreu and rowand for a handful of games. You still have burrell, utley, howard, rollins, guys who can produce. But if you lose a starting pitcher, what do you have. The mets are pitching jose lima! The mets lost brian bannister who was 2-0 with a 2.89 era in 5 starts. Then zambrano goes down right when he starts pitching well. You cannot compare that to losing two outfielders for a couple of games.


i made the glavine/martinez situation to prove that we could win 120 games moron. and our staff "ace" has an ERA of 5.50, Floyd is somewhere in the 5-6 range, im not sure Lidle's but what im getting at is, ur staff is better than ours Lima is the equivalent of Floyd at this point. dont cry about injuries to ur pitching staff ours sucks when we're healthy but we're finding ways to win. thats all that matters

[wessa]

complete moron. keep bitching about your injuries, thats an excuse to explain losing 2 of 3 to the phillies. AND letting a team start 1-6 creep up on you in the standings. you obviously are a bias mets fan and cannot recognize when a team is better than your hometown. If we beat your team more times than your team beat our team. than our team is better. and our team being the phillies.


You people are rediculous. I never said the phillies were bad. In fact I never even said the mets were better than the phillies. You say i am bias but you cannot even recognize that the mets lost two starting pitchers. And please stop with this 2 out of 3 shit and be real with yourself, it was a suspended game.

[sundaysetsashes]

And please stop with this 2 out of 3 shit and be real with yourself, it was a suspended game.

it was an official game, it was a win. floyd was pwning the hitters all night long.

[surviveanything]

your saying the phillies arent missing much with abreu gone... well zambrano aint doing much either. he has a near 7 era. and ohh yeah... and sorry we miss a guy whose obp was 3rd in the league.

[surviveanything]

it wasnt a suspended game when it counted... sucks when the mets only had 2 hits off of gavin floyd. and it also sucks that the islanders had no shot of making the playoffs, they were mathematically elimated in november, after everyone realized how much they sucked.

[Split2nd]

You can't use injuries as an excuse if you're a Met fan. That was one of the weaknesses of the team going in, that they had NO depth whatsoever if/when they get injuries, as they have many guys who are injury prone. That's just showing now. Plus, Bannister was getting so unbelievably lucky, when he gets back I guarantee you he won't be anything more than a 4.25 ERA pitcher.

And what the hell kind of argument is "if you gave us Pedro and Glavine we'd win 120 games." Well, yeah, if you gave the Braves Santana and Pujols they'd win 120 games, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

The Phillies indeed look pretty good. However, while Myers is very good, Lieber is not very good at all, and the Hamels lovefest is a little over the top. Not very many rookie pitchers at all come in and have immediate success, especially those who don't throw in the mid to upper 90s. The kid is a stud and is going to be excellent in the future, but rookie pitchers who experience extended success are pretty rare. I honestly don't see him being anything better than a 4 ERA pitcher and/or getting hurt again this year.

[Split2nd]

You people are rediculous. I never said the phillies were bad. In fact I never even said the mets were better than the phillies. You say i am bias but you cannot even recognize that the mets lost two starting pitchers. And please stop with this 2 out of 3 shit and be real with yourself, it was a suspended game.

The two starting pitchers the Mets lost weren't very good in the first place, and that's not an excuse. People were saying they'd be in trouble with depth when they traded away Benson and Seo. The guy they got in return for Seo was fantastic, but now they refuse to use Heilman in the rotation. It's their weakness, and it'll probably be their downfall if they have one.

[ides of march]

this thread will not end all threads.

[Shark90576]

I'm going to go on the record now as a Mets fan. (don't have any problems with the Phillies, in fact, I'm rooting for them, as weird as that sounds) Sorry in advance for the long post.

Anyway, right now the Phillies are playing outstanding baseball. Pitching great, hitting great, and winning games/; They look a lot like the Mets did in the begining of the season. To expect a run to last an extreme amount of time is ridiculous. The Mets are 23-14 now, and lets admit it, haven't been playing well at all for a while now, yet they have found ways to win games, keeping their record as high as it is, it can easily be lower. The mets line-up was is not hitting near to what they were in the begining (most of the team was hitting .350 or something crazy) They have all come crashing down to what they should be at, they are leveling off and have caught a few bad breaks this past week resulting in losing a few games. I'm not worried at all, they lost 2 out of 3 to the Phils, which is fine (though i disagree with the 2nd loss only because I feel the Umps could ahev and should have called the game before it started and after it started could have and should have called the game in the 3rd/4th inning, it was raining hard and never stopped...but I won't go any farther.

How can you say you cannot take injuries into account? Look at the 05'/'06 NE PAtriots, that team could have won another superbowl if the team did not suffer the blows it did. The Mets now are down 2 qualaity starters, by that I mean guys who can go out there and the opposing hitters down and let the offense do what is necessary to win. Lima and Gonzo are not quality, they are fill-in starters to just get us through and hope the offense works its magic and pray they can get to the bullpen to win the game. True, Zambrano is not that good, at all. But, he went out there every 5th day and challenged hitters, sometimes it worked and sometimes it failed, but he did go out there and gave the team the ability to compete in every game (save a few where he got blown out of the water in the begining of the game) Bannister showed some great stuff, pitching out of trouble is always a good sign, and he did it often. Yes he gave up walks/hits, but showed the resilency to get himself out of it. Lima has not showed that, he would get into a little trouble and blow a 3 run lead, something Bannister never did.

To the Phillies, yes they have sufferend injuries, especially to Rowand and Abreu. The difference is they have guys who can fill in exceptionally, somethign the mets really don't have. This is why they are handling it better. But the key here is the injuries are not to pitching. Pitchign is what wins you games, its what wins you the world series, (look at the teams that have won the last 5 world series and look at the starting staffs, see a pattern here?) The Mets injuries to the staff are extrememly hard to deal with, though they are finding ways to win, or atleast stick around in games. They were in every game in each of their last 4 losses. Thats important to look at.

The Phillies are playing great baseball and winning, gaining ground. How long will it last? Baseball si the most streaky game in sports. You thrive as a team, and you die as a team. Right now the Phils are on a high, as the Mets were in the begining. Baseball is a marathon, and we are only a 1/4 of the way through, so I say let's hold off these typed of things until atleast mid-July around the trade deadline, when things start to mean a bit more.

As a sidenote, that Hamels kid has some GREAT stuff, I was switching between games on Friday and man he impressed me. Makes me miss Kazmir that much more.

[Split2nd]

To the Phillies, yes they have sufferend injuries, especially to Rowand and Abreu. The difference is they have guys who can fill in exceptionally, somethign the mets really don't have. This is why they are handling it better. But the key here is the injuries are not to pitching. Pitchign is what wins you games, its what wins you the world series, (look at the teams that have won the last 5 world series and look at the starting staffs, see a pattern here?) The Mets injuries to the staff are extrememly hard to deal with, though they are finding ways to win, or atleast stick around in games. They were in every game in each of their last 4 losses. Thats important to look at.


This doesn't make sense to me... this injuries thing with bad replacement players is going to be a continuing problem; it's a weakness of the Mets, you can't just throw it out the window.

[Shark90576]

This doesn't make sense to me... this injuries thing with bad replacement players is going to be a continuing problem; it's a weakness of the Mets, you can't just throw it out the window.

Not throwing it out the window, I'm just saying that the injuries occured to a more important part of the team, and a part of the team we are not deep with, Minaya needs (and probably will) assess this in the near to mid future. The Benson trade was terrible, I agree withe the Seo trade, but trading Benson was a terrible idea because we lost an extrememly capable 3rd starter. Not putting Heilman in the rotation now is something I have mixed feeligns on. He is needed in the pen just as much as in the rotation. I'd put him in there now because Lima has showed that we cannot depend upon him.

Injuries will always happen, but some injuries are harder to bear than others.

[Dirty Ernie]

first, the third game of the mets series was bs, a rained out 5 inning win? come on...
and sweeping the marlins, giants, and braves, cause those are obivously three of the better teams in the league...

weakest argument in this forums history

[Split2nd]

Not throwing it out the window, I'm just saying that the injuries occured to a more important part of the team, and a part of the team we are not deep with, Minaya needs (and probably will) assess this in the near to mid future. The Benson trade was terrible, I agree withe the Seo trade, but trading Benson was a terrible idea because we lost an extrememly capable 3rd starter. Not putting Heilman in the rotation now is something I have mixed feeligns on. He is needed in the pen just as much as in the rotation. I'd put him in there now because Lima has showed that we cannot depend upon him.

Injuries will always happen, but some injuries are harder to bear than others.

Yeah, but Brian Bannister and Victor Zambrano are hardly impact players. Their replacements are so unbelievably horrible, though, and the Mets failed to address this. Hopefully Milledge will be an A soon :D

And what you call "resiliency" in regards to Bannister, I call good luck. Pitchers just don't succeed while allowing baserunners at such a high rate. Eventually, the other team is going to get hits with runners in scoring position, and when that happens, that ERA is going to skyrocket.

[imirish06]

speaking of injured pitchers


wolf is coming back soon!

[xearlynovemberx]

Yeah, but Brian Bannister and Victor Zambrano are hardly impact players. Their replacements are so unbelievably horrible, though, and the Mets failed to address this. Hopefully Milledge will be an A soon :D

And what you call "resiliency" in regards to Bannister, I call good luck. Pitchers just don't succeed while allowing baserunners at such a high rate. Eventually, the other team is going to get hits with runners in scoring position, and when that happens, that ERA is going to skyrocket.

you are seriously delusional if you think the mets are going to trade lastings for barry zito

[Split2nd]

you are seriously delusional if you think the mets are going to trade lastings for barry zito

You are seriously delusional if you didn't see that little smiley face after I said that, and the "hopefully" before. It's a hope, not an expectation.

[Drew Beringer]

I hope the Brewers beat the Phillies this week.

[mat1419]

I hope the Brewers beat the Phillies this week.
i hope they don't

[jaimej]

i hope they don't
Good morning.

[Shark90576]

Yeah, but Brian Bannister and Victor Zambrano are hardly impact players. Their replacements are so unbelievably horrible, though, and the Mets failed to address this. Hopefully Milledge will be an A soon :D

And what you call "resiliency" in regards to Bannister, I call good luck. Pitchers just don't succeed while allowing baserunners at such a high rate. Eventually, the other team is going to get hits with runners in scoring position, and when that happens, that ERA is going to skyrocket.

Never called them impact players, they are just guys who are major league pitchers who are able to go out there and give the team a chance to win each game...I don't feel that comfort with the other 2 starters in there right now.

When I say resiliency, I mean he was able to pitch out of trouble when he had to. Have you watched him pitch? I've seen each game he started, he has shown good stuff, but needs to harness it a bit more, this is why you see the walks and the baserunners. Maybe some has to do with luck, but when you get yourself out of trouble inning after inning, it has to be a bit more than luck. I'm not going to disagree with you that the low ERA will disappear, but what I am saying is that Zambrano/Bannister is going to give us a way better chance than Lima/Gonzalez.

Hahaha, Milledge, yeah he should be very good. He has good stats in AAA and is pretty much a lock as being in our starting outfield next year. There has been a cry from the fanbase to bring him up now (Cliff Floyd struggling), but that would be a mistake, there are still things he needs to work on, like limiting strikeouts(he has 30 in 127 at bats...too high), how to steal using his speed, working walks (only 8), and getting his level to the major league level in general. He's a year off and hopefully the club knows that.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I just picked up Cole Hamels.
Hah, so did I.

Tom Glavine, Tim Hudson, Cole Hamels and John Thomson are my starters. (I missed the draft - Hudson was the only one I got in the draft)

[mat1419]

Good morning.
good afternoon...today is flying!

[jaimej]

good afternoon...today is flying!
That it is. I went out to lunch at the California Pizza Kitchen. Yummy.

[jusscali]

goooooooooddd morning sunshine.


redsox wha!?

[jaimej]

goooooooooddd morning sunshine.


redsox wha!?
Boooooooo.

[Anton Djamoos]

Can't we, as Mets and Phillies fans, agree that we will be happy with either team winning the NL East as long as the Braves don't?

[jaimej]

Can't we, as Mets and Phillies fans, agree that we will be happy with either team winning the NL East as long as the Braves don't?
Phillies > Braves > Mets.

[mat1419]

Can't we, as Mets and Phillies fans, agree that we will be happy with either team winning the NL East as long as the Braves don't?
i love that you're all about the peace making, but we really need this a lot, so go phillies

[jaimej]

i love that you're all about the peace making, but we really need this a lot, so go phillies
Chacaron chacaron uleuleuleuleuleuleuleule hahaha

[Split2nd]

Hah, so did I.

Tom Glavine, Tim Hudson, Cole Hamels and John Thomson are my starters. (I missed the draft - Hudson was the only one I got in the draft)

Jesus. That's bad dude, you need to get some starters, you're going to get killed in Ks.

[xearlynovemberx]

Phillies > Braves > Mets.

im going to the mets game sat

[LostSymphonies]

fuck philly, i mean philthy

[jaimej]

im going to the mets game sat
Just cause it's at Shea doesn't make it the Mets game. I apologize in advance for your loss.

[Split2nd]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/906/villagestreetwear1895661700413.jpg

[mat1419]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/906/villagestreetwear1895661700413.jpg
holy shit a braves fan...c ya

[Split2nd]

holy shit a braves fan...c ya
All I have to say is wait until you see the wrath of the rookie crew in the 'pen:

Anthony LeRew
Kevin Barry
Will Startup
Joey Devine

[mat1419]

All I have to say is wait until you see the wrath of the rookie crew in the 'pen:

Anthony LeRew
Kevin Barry
Will Startup
Joey Devine
haha...i think most people in this thread were talking about this year, this should go in the '08-'09 thread

[justinevans]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/906/villagestreetwear1895661700413.jpg


November 15, 1864

Didn't Sherman burn your city to the ground that day :).

[justinevans]

fuck philly, i mean philthy

whoaaaa pittsburgh. I forgot that was the most beautiful city in the world? Eat shit.

[Split2nd]

haha...i think most people in this thread were talking about this year, this should go in the '08-'09 thread

I was talking about this year. And don't forget Macay McBride.

[asianxcore]

what happend to boycotting the phillies?

[Dirty Ernie]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/906/villagestreetwear1895661700413.jpg

i would wear that

[mat1419]

I was talking about this year. And don't forget Macay McBride.
sorry...couldn't hear you that many games back...SPEAK LOUDER

[mat1419]

what happend to boycotting the phillies?
it clearly worked

[imirish06]

pittsburgh is fucking horrible

[Split2nd]

sorry...couldn't hear you that many games back...SPEAK LOUDER

ha ha ha

Talk to me when the Phillies have actually won something other than a 5 game lead in friggin' May.

[mat1419]

ha ha ha

Talk to me when the Phillies have actually won something other than a 5 game lead in friggin' May.
no worries, i will

[Dirty Ernie]

can't win them all, though they almost came back and did it again

[imirish06]

t minus 2 days until Hamels Time

[imirish06]

ha ha ha

Talk to me when the Phillies have actually won something other than a 5 game lead in friggin' May.


and a 5 game lead in may is different than choking in the playoffs every year how?

[mat1419]

the past two games they've looked tired honestly...they stole the last one in cincy, almost stole tonight, but i think they're a little worn.

david bell has been really, really fucking good though.

[justinevans]

what happend to boycotting the phillies?

i still won't pay to go see a game.

[Split2nd]

and a 5 game lead in may is different than choking in the playoffs every year how?

Because a 162 game marathon proves how good a team is in this sport rather than a 5 game playoff series where the hottest team rather than the best team usually wins?

[Dirty Ernie]

Because a 162 game marathon proves how good a team is in this sport rather than a 5 game playoff series where the hottest team rather than the best team usually wins?

i disagree

[imirish06]

Because a 162 game marathon proves how good a team is in this sport rather than a 5 game playoff series where the hottest team rather than the best team usually wins?


good teams make it to the world series

regardless if you don't make the playoffs...or get put out the first round

it's the same thing in the grand scheme of things

[sundaysetsashes]

3 months later, im reviving this thread. some may say this thread is like the normal phillies fan --- all up in peoples faces when things are going great than nowhere to be found when things go sour. well rest assured ive stuck through this team when we were 9 games under .500. i paid to go see the shit they put out on the field this entire summer because i love baseball and i love the phillies. and now, it seems, that gillick thinks maybe we can make a run. by adding jamie moyer, we not only solidified a pretty decent rotation, but we got better in a cheaper way. i mean anyone was an upgrade over mathieson but this guy can legitemately do well (seattle scored 3 runs a game for him) if given a good offense behind him. if i was a fan of ARI, CIN, or SD I would watch my back. all in all, this is going to be a great september and could mean all 4 sports will be in action come october for the first time in FOREVER

[xbrokendownx]

i hope the phillies make the playoffs, so everyone in philly starts riding their dicks and then they get swept in the first round

[sundaysetsashes]

i hope the phillies make the playoffs, so everyone in philly starts riding their dicks and then they get swept in the first round

getting to the playoffs will be enough to keep me content. regardless if they even score a run.

[justinevans]

getting to the playoffs will be enough to keep me content. regardless if they even score a run.

I agree.

[Dirty Ernie]

i third that statement...all i want is playoff baseball

[bigmike]

Does this even matter? It's like seeing what kid with Down Syndrome is the smartest.

Sweeping anyone in the NL isn't a big thing, so we may not want to get too worked up -- and yes, that includes sweeping the mets who don't have their 2 aces of their staff and their best relief pitcher.

[Dirty Ernie]

Does this even matter? It's like seeing what kid with Down Syndrome is the smartest.

Sweeping anyone in the NL isn't a big thing, so we may not want to get too worked up -- and yes, that includes sweeping the mets who don't have their 2 aces of their staff and their best relief pitcher.

phils didn't sweep washington or the mets...everyone is excited because of the attitude this team has shown since moving abreu and bell, and gillick picking up moyer shows they are serious

[bigmike]

phils didn't sweep washington or the mets...everyone is excited because of the attitude this team has shown since moving abreu and bell, and gillick picking up moyer shows they are serious
..Everyone but the cubs and pirates should be serious about their chances of making the playoffs.

[sundaysetsashes]

..Everyone but the cubs and pirates should be serious about their chances of making the playoffs.

why are you acting like such a douche. if you like the tigers so much you should be able to relate to the feelings we have when our otherwise dismal franchise is starting to come around

[justinevans]

why are you acting like such a douche. if you like the tigers so much you should be able to relate to the feelings we have when our otherwise dismal franchise is starting to come around

haha

[bigmike]

why are you acting like such a douche. if you like the tigers so much you should be able to relate to the feelings we have when our otherwise dismal franchise is starting to come around
the Tigers are nothing like the Phillies. The Phillies have playoff capable teams, they just underachieve.

The Tigers haven't put a competitive team on the field in almost a decade and a half. And i'm not being a "douche" i'm just saying that Phillies fans shouldn't be surprised they're still in it when they're in a league with something like 4 teams with .500+ records.

[justinevans]

the Tigers are nothing like the Phillies. The Phillies have playoff capable teams, they just underachieve.

The Tigers haven't put a competitive team on the field in almost a decade and a half. And i'm not being a "douche" i'm just saying that Phillies fans shouldn't be surprised they're still in it when they're in a league with something like 4 teams with .500+ records.

The Phillies have never had pitching -- the most important part of the equation.

We had players here to build around but the gm and president before wade were terrible and let rolen and schilling go.

[bigmike]

The Phillies have never had pitching -- the most important part of the equation.

We had players here to build around but the gm and president before wade were terrible and let rolen and schilling go.
...The last like 5 years was the "Phillies year to break the Braves hold on the division" and to make the playoffs.

[justinevans]

...The last like 5 years was the "Phillies year to break the Braves hold on the division" and to make the playoffs.

cause the lineup looked pretty with overrated players like david bell, mike lieberthal, pat burrell, and weak pitching.

they still don't have quality pitching

[bigmike]

cause the lineup looked pretty with overrated players like david bell, mike lieberthal, pat burrell, and weak pitching.

they still don't have quality pitching
Exactly. And in any other year they wouldn't be in the race at all. So no point getting super excited over it, in my opinion. Tell that other phillies fan to settle down and remember these are the phillies.

[justinevans]

Exactly. And in any other year they wouldn't be in the race at all. So no point getting super excited over it, in my opinion. Tell that other phillies fan to settle down and remember these are the phillies.

but they are excited, because they still have a chance...and if they continue to play to their potential, they can steal the wildcard and be hot for the playoffs.

They'd probably play St. Louis and everyone and their mother has swept St. Louis it seems like this year. Another team with pitching problems.

[bigmike]

but they are excited, because they still have a chance...and if they continue to play to their potential, they can steal the wildcard and be hot for the playoffs.

They'd probably play St. Louis and everyone and their mother has swept St. Louis it seems like this year. Another team with pitching problems.
Everyone in the NL has pitching problems. And they were playing to their potential earlier this year. They're not as good as they've been recently.

[justinevans]

Everyone in the NL has pitching problems. And they were playing to their potential earlier this year. They're not as good as they've been recently.

earlier in the year, every pitcher was hurt, except the bullpen. now starters are finally healthy and doing alright.

[sundaysetsashes]

honestly, in theory, lets say this is a playoff rotation :

lieber, meyers, moyer

who would you take on top of that? the mets are left with a half beaten pedro, possibly no glavine, st louis looks like their tanking and if theyre not doing it now theyll do it in october. maybe im naive cause im a fan but im starting to believe that this team has an extremely solid rotation. moyer's record is not indicative of his pitching. he has the worst run support in the league. and go through our lineup and im sure no one can tell us much about it. but we have hitters in there. look at who got the bulk of the RBIs today. abraham nunez, lieberthal, sandoval, etc. the point is we are getting production now from the bottom of the lineup where before if you got through 1-5 without a scratch you were good to go. we put ourselves in this situation but if we can climb out of it i think we have a good chance of doing decent in the first round.

[bigmike]

basically you guys are playing well right now.

Just like Houston was playing great 2 weeks ago. Get in touch with me when they keep this up for the next month and a half and make the playoffs.

Until then, they're still the Phillies and are playing above their abilities right now.

[xbrokendownx]

basically you guys are playing well right now.

Just like Houston was playing great 2 weeks ago. Get in touch with me when they keep this up for the next month and a half and make the playoffs.

Until then, they're still the Phillies and are playing above their abilities right now.





yes :thumbup:

[justinevans]

honestly, in theory, lets say this is a playoff rotation :

lieber, meyers, moyer

who would you take on top of that? the mets are left with a half beaten pedro, possibly no glavine, st louis looks like their tanking and if theyre not doing it now theyll do it in october. maybe im naive cause im a fan but im starting to believe that this team has an extremely solid rotation. moyer's record is not indicative of his pitching. he has the worst run support in the league. and go through our lineup and im sure no one can tell us much about it. but we have hitters in there. look at who got the bulk of the RBIs today. abraham nunez, lieberthal, sandoval, etc. the point is we are getting production now from the bottom of the lineup where before if you got through 1-5 without a scratch you were good to go. we put ourselves in this situation but if we can climb out of it i think we have a good chance of doing decent in the first round.

we still have to pass the reds a team we should have taken care of.

[sundaysetsashes]

well we still do own the tiebreaker over them, 4-2. it would have been nice to sweep them but i think slow and steady wins the race and the phils will eventually pass them.