New Pentagon video

[FallingOut]

I was just watching CNN and they said there was a new video released that shows the plane hitting the Pentagon. They said they are gonna show it whenever they get it which should be soon. I am waiting anxiously to see if it actually shows this.

[FallingOut]

Ok, never mind, its the SAME DAMN VIDEO that we already saw. Man, REALLY puts those conpsiracies to rest doesnt it???

[jusscali]

Ok, never mind, its the SAME DAMN VIDEO that we already saw. Man, REALLY puts those conpsiracies to rest doesnt it???
fuck the govt

straight up anarchy. lets all rise up, put masks on and hit the capitol

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I haven't seen the video, besides the obvious, what happens in the video? What angle is it shot from?

[sweetforever]

where can you see this video at?

[astereo]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html << Click the video tab and you can see it (sorta)

This video is exactly the same as the other one, but "close up", and conviently, a sunspot and a shit blur, with a nosetip of what? Could be anything.

This is the "closest and best view video", so I guess the cameras on the hotel didn't get a good shot, or maybe they did, and thats why they're not being included. Fuck the government is right

[histrionics22]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html << Click the video tab and you can see it (sorta)

This video is exactly the same as the other one, but "close up", and conviently, a sunspot and a shit blur, with a nosetip of what? Could be anything.

This is the "closest and best view video", so I guess the cameras on the hotel didn't get a good shot, or maybe they did, and thats why they're not being included. Fuck the government is right
Conveniet blur? How about a HUGE explosion? That doesn't account for a blur? Shut up.

[histrionics22]

Ok, never mind, its the SAME DAMN VIDEO that we already saw. Man, REALLY puts those conpsiracies to rest doesnt it???

It's closer up. The plane was traveling 500 mph and the camera takes pictures every 1/2 second. Almost a mile a second. How many feet does that camera show? Do some simple math.

[jusscali]

It's closer up. The plane was traveling 500 mph and the camera takes pictures every 1/2 second. Almost a mile a second. How many feet does that camera show? Do some simple math.
hes part of the coverup lol

[astereo]

hes part of the coverup lol

Lol yea, what's this "new camera" (prolly same 1 as the original video but with a digital zoom)...50 feet closer? So thats why the first video had no blur or sunspot?

[FallingOut]

Its even worse than the other one. This is merely just to try to get Bush's approval rating back up. I guess they think we forgot about 9/11. Like that could ever happen. Its the reason we do anything.

[dai the flu]

i hope you people all know how retarded you sound. there is no cover up.

[sweethypocrisy]

i hope you people all know how retarded you sound. there is no cover up.
Go be ignorant somewhere else. If you dont think theres ANYTHING sketchy about 9 11 then you need to get out of america.

[selftitled85]

Its even worse than the other one. This is merely just to try to get Bush's approval rating back up. I guess they think we forgot about 9/11. Like that could ever happen. Its the reason we do anything.

no wrong.

they lost in a battle in court and had to release them.

get your facts straight...

[oldwirehands]

That video was retarded. Where was that camera at? I thought they were going to release the ones from the hotel and that gas station. Or is that the one from one of those two?

[lightcollapse]

you guys need to read that fucking word document that tears apart loose change, you gullible fucks.

now, what motivation does the government have to organize a terrorist attacks? can you think of one?

[sweethypocrisy]

you guys need to read that fucking word document that tears apart loose change, you gullible fucks.

now, what motivation does the government have to organize a terrorist attacks? can you think of one?
that word document is nothing. i read it twice, and it does the same things it accuses loose change of doing. it either cites websites that are hardly credible, or gives to fact or reason to what its saying.

as for motives, look them up, there are plenty.

[astereo]

wheres jason, we need him in this thread

[cal1082]

Its even worse than the other one. This is merely just to try to get Bush's approval rating back up. I guess they think we forgot about 9/11. Like that could ever happen. Its the reason we do anything.

No kidding if you at least want to be taken serious get what your saying right.

[yanks2np]

I just don't like how the government treats us and expects us to believe that from the video they released today, that we can actually conclude that a huge 757 Boeing Jet Plane hit the Pentagon.

To me it's not what hit it, but why do they claim that this new video will put all theories to rest, when it doesnt even show anything different or new. I just wish the government would think of it's citizens as a lot smarter then to believe that this new video is solid and definite evidence that a huge plane hit that, it doesnt show us shit.

[cal1082]

I just don't like how the government treats us and expects us to believe that from the video they released today, that we can actually conclude that a huge 757 Boeing Jet Plane hit the Pentagon.

To me it's not what hit it, but why do they claim that this new video will put all theories to rest, when it doesnt even show anything different or new. I just wish the government would think of it's citizens as a lot smarter then to believe that this new video is solid and definite evidence that a huge plane hit that, it doesnt show us shit.

Again, again, again, again you need to understand why the video was put out. It wasnt so the government could put it to rest. An independent watch group wanted it out and the case has been in court since late 2004 I believe. It was recently ordered to be released by the courts

So understand the government really want it to be released and no one in the government ever said that it would put anything to rest by releasing it. I'm sure they hope it does since it was released but that wasnt the intent.

[histrionics22]

Again, again, again, again you need to understand why the video was put out. It wasnt so the government could put it to rest. An independent watch group wanted it out and the case has been in court since late 2004 I believe. It was recently ordered to be released by the courts

So understand the government really want it to be released and no one in the government ever said that it would put anything to rest by releasing it. I'm sure they hope it does since it was released but that wasnt the intent.

It's a lost cause Cal. People are so quick to jump to conclusions. This especially applies to the uneducated.

[FallingOut]

Ok I just watched the original video again. I am completely convinced it was a not a plane. If you watch it, closely, a few times, there is clearly just a little whisp of something small and whitish, which then hits it. If you watch it, it is CLEARLY not a huge plane. Clearly. If you watch it, then think about what a 757 would look like, I think its pretty clear. I know its a far away view, but it looks SO much more like a missile or something. It is so obvious to me. Watch it again. I guarantee you if it was the other way around, and they told us that was a missle, everybody would be saying its insane to think its a huge plane.

[lightcollapse]

so you guys are all saying the pennsylvania crash was just a fuckup by the government?

[FallingOut]

so you guys are all saying the pennsylvania crash was just a fuckup by the government?

Maybe so. There werent any pictures of that wreckage either.

[cal1082]

Ok I just watched the original video again. I am completely convinced it was a not a plane. If you watch it, closely, a few times, there is clearly just a little whisp of something small and whitish, which then hits it. If you watch it, it is CLEARLY not a huge plane. Clearly. If you watch it, then think about what a 757 would look like, I think its pretty clear. I know its a far away view, but it looks SO much more like a missile or something. It is so obvious to me. Watch it again. I guarantee you if it was the other way around, and they told us that was a missle, everybody would be saying its insane to think its a huge plane.

So you believe a missile was fired from the ground outside of the pentagon?

[Yellowsamredsam]

possibly..... hahaha

[lightcollapse]

dear loose change,

you have been wiki'd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28video%29#Factual_in accuracies

[histrionics22]

Maybe so. There werent any pictures of that wreckage either.

There are pictures of the pentagon. Look at the other thread. Plus how do explain the remains of people onboard a plane found at the pentagon? It doesn't add up.

[FallingOut]

So you believe a missile was fired from the ground outside of the pentagon?

Yes sir. I do. Or a smaller plane.

[FallingOut]

dear loose change,

you have been wiki'd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28video%29#Factual_in accuracies

Oh man, that little site completely proves the whole theory wrong!!! Wow!!!! Theres like 2 things on there.

[Lueda Alia]

There are pictures of the pentagon. Look at the other thread. Plus how do explain the remains of people onboard a plane found at the pentagon? It doesn't add up.
Remains of people? Where?

[cal1082]

Yes sir. I do. Or a smaller plane.

Can you find me a missile that is in the US arsenal that woud do that much damage fired from being fired from the ground nearby. It'd have to be pretty well hidden as well to keep passer bys from noticing a large vehicle mounting a missile towards the Pentagon.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/index.html

That's a list of missiles in the US arsenal

[clace]

ok say that a plane didn't crash into the pentagon. well, what the hell happened to flight 77 then?

[bigmike]

I just don't like how the government treats us and expects us to believe that from the video they released today, that we can actually conclude that a huge 757 Boeing Jet Plane hit the Pentagon.

To me it's not what hit it, but why do they claim that this new video will put all theories to rest, when it doesnt even show anything different or new. I just wish the government would think of it's citizens as a lot smarter then to believe that this new video is solid and definite evidence that a huge plane hit that, it doesnt show us shit.
The government would think of it's citizens as being smarter if large portions of the general population was so fucking retarded 90% of the time.

[bigmike]

Ok I just watched the original video again. I am completely convinced it was a not a plane. If you watch it, closely, a few times, there is clearly just a little whisp of something small and whitish, which then hits it. If you watch it, it is CLEARLY not a huge plane. Clearly. If you watch it, then think about what a 757 would look like, I think its pretty clear. I know its a far away view, but it looks SO much more like a missile or something. It is so obvious to me. Watch it again. I guarantee you if it was the other way around, and they told us that was a missle, everybody would be saying its insane to think its a huge plane.
Oh, there you go guys. this kid CLEARLY sees exactly what went on. Mystery sovled. FallingOut for president, he's clearly got a grasp on everything in the world. We can close this case now that he's solved it.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

all of the people that were on flight 77 are on some exotic island, living out the vacation of a lifetime.

obviously.

the missile was shot from the loch ness monster, whom now resides along the mid atlantic coast.

just because someone puts together a documentary does not mean that what THEY have is the truth. they are just as biased as people on the opposite end of the spectrum, but the difference is they are just telling YOU what YOU want to hear.

[bigmike]

all of the people that were on flight 77 are on some exotic island, living out the vacation of a lifetime.

obviously.

the missile was shot from the loch ness monster, whom now resides along the mid atlantic coast.

just because someone puts together a documentary does not mean that what THEY have is the truth. they are just as biased as people on the opposite end of the spectrum, but the difference is they are just telling YOU what YOU want to hear.
what are you doing? you're not supposed to use logic in here, this is the thread for irrational kids that will believe anything packaged in a "it's-hip-to-be-liberal" sort of way.

[dai the flu]

ok its been said before but everyone needs to think for a second. these planes fly somewhere around 500 miles an hour. that video shows just a couple frames per second of a small area. YOU WILL NOT SEE A PLANE.
retards.
plus do you realize the hundreds of people that wouldve had to be in on this conspiracy? dont you think SOMEBODY wouldve maybe leaked word of it at some point? i mean, come on, the president of the united states cant even finger an intern behind closed doors without it being made public.
just use your brains for once. quit being so naive.
this is why i normally hate the "punk" scene. its full of impressionable kids that try to think when they havent quite formed the ability to do it yet.

[histrionics22]

Remains of people? Where?

Here.

Included are victims for whom AP has confirmed the death with named local or federal government officials, the person's family, a named spokesman for the person's employer or a named funeral home official. In the case of confirmation by family members, victims are included when the family member is definitive that the person is dead or that the family considers the person dead.


That is posted at the top of http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm

What does it mean? They had to identify a number of people using DNA samples. DNA samples provided by families and such. Unless you're willing to say the government planted bodies there. But I mean, with some of the outrageous claims made so far, I wouldn't put it past someone to say that.

[FallingOut]

this is why i normally hate the "punk" scene. its full of impressionable kids that try to think when they havent quite formed the ability to do it yet.

1. You do not know me. I am certainly not part of any "punk" scene whatsoever. The fact that you look at somebody's opinion and make a judgement of who they are shows how immature and ignorant you are.
2. I am 21 years old. You think I cannot form a intelligable thought? Maybe you should try forming one yourself.
3. Somebody else said something about a "liberal attitude." So, just because somebody questions something that is presented to them by the media, and actually thinks that maybe there is another explanation for it, it means they are liberal? In that case, being liberal must mean somebody that actually thinks for themselves, instead of just believing every single thing that people tell them. So, the right thing to do is be a drone that never questions anything. Right.
4. Gullible? Maybe you people that dont even dare question what you are told are the gullible ones. In my opinion, somebody who sits down and wathches Fox News or CNN and believes every single word is the exact definition of gullible.

[dai the flu]

1. You do not know me. I am certainly not part of any "punk" scene whatsoever. The fact that you look at somebody's opinion and make a judgement of who they are shows how immature and ignorant you are.
2. I am 21 years old. You think I cannot form a intelligable thought? Maybe you should try forming one yourself.
3. Somebody else said something about a "liberal attitude." So, just because somebody questions something that is presented to them by the media, and actually thinks that maybe there is another explanation for it, it means they are liberal? In that case, being liberal must mean somebody that actually thinks for themselves, instead of just believing every single thing that people tell them. So, the right thing to do is be a drone that never questions anything. Right.
4. Gullible? Maybe you people that dont even dare question what you are told are the gullible ones. In my opinion, somebody who sits down and wathches Fox News or CNN and believes every single word is the exact definition of gullible.

1. you're at absolutepunk.net. you list blink, millencolin, new found glory, home grown, etc... as favorite bands. id say that somewhat qualifies you as a member of the "punk" scene, whether you like it or not.
2. advanced age does not bring intelligence.
3. if 'loose change' was your idea, your video, your theory, then yes you would be thinking for yourself. but no, whether you'd like to admit it again or not, you're still a sheep blindly following someones elses version of the truth.
4. these are absurd ideas with no substantial proof or rational thought behind it. there is no reason whatsoever to believe any of this crap about a conspiracy, yet we are the gullible ones for not buying into this?

my aunt and my uncle both work in the pentagon. does this mean much? no not really, but i have a personal connection to what happened there and theres no doubt in anyones mind of what happened that day. it was not a missle strike and definately not a small plane.
3 of my best friends live near stoystown, just over the hill from where flight 93 went down. they didnt see the plane, they dont stare in the sky all day hoping to see a plane crash, but they do know lots of people that did. it was not made up, it DID happen. the fact that im even arguing this is completely ludicrous.
whatever. believe what you want. but keep it to yourself. quit insulting our intelligence.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

You can't blame people for being skeptical of the Bush administration, they have been lied to countless times by them. And there are a lot of sketchy things that went on with 9/11. People should question their government and not belive everything that is fed to them. But as someone earlier pointed out, it's laughable that the government could keep something involving that many people a secret (although it did work out rather nicely for them). A plane hit the pentagon. Believe it, stranger things have happened.

[KnoWs My NaMe]

It's in our nature to question things, with an event like 9/11 the cloud of conspiracy hanging over it will draw interest. I saw Loose Change yesterday and I won't make any decision on what I believe, until the day I see concrete evidence; so now its all just up to skepticism. If this were to indeed be a conspiracy it would undoubtly be the greatest cover-up in history, 10x bigger than Watergate or anything else.

[FallingOut]

1. you're at absolutepunk.net. you list blink, millencolin, new found glory, home grown, etc... as favorite bands. id say that somewhat qualifies you as a member of the "punk" scene, whether you like it or not.
2. advanced age does not bring intelligence.
3. if 'loose change' was your idea, your video, your theory, then yes you would be thinking for yourself. but no, whether you'd like to admit it again or not, you're still a sheep blindly following someones elses version of the truth.
4. these are absurd ideas with no substantial proof or rational thought behind it. there is no reason whatsoever to believe any of this crap about a conspiracy, yet we are the gullible ones for not buying into this?

my aunt and my uncle both work in the pentagon. does this mean much? no not really, but i have a personal connection to what happened there and theres no doubt in anyones mind of what happened that day. it was not a missle strike and definately not a small plane.
3 of my best friends live near stoystown, just over the hill from where flight 93 went down. they didnt see the plane, they dont stare in the sky all day hoping to see a plane crash, but they do know lots of people that did. it was not made up, it DID happen. the fact that im even arguing this is completely ludicrous.
whatever. believe what you want. but keep it to yourself. quit insulting our intelligence.

1. No, sorry, just because I like a band does not put me in a scene.
2. Being a 21 year old college junior means I can form thoughts. Thank you.
3. I never claimed to come up with the idea, nor did I claim to believe every single thing about it. I think several things in Loose Change are wrong, and presented badly in that movie.
4. Whether something is a rational thought is merely your opinion. And no, there is no proof, thats why its called a "theory."
5. Let me ask you a question. Did you see the planes go down? Did you see a plane hit the Pentagon? The answer to both of those questions is No. So, whether you like it or not, you do not have any more proof of what happened, any more than I do. YOU heard it from somebody else, just like me, and everybody else.. Thank you and have a nice day.

[bandoftheweek]

I believe in the conspiracy. If not, then the US would simply SHOW THE TAPES, but it's quite obvious they're hiding something.

[open mind]

sure some people stood to benefit from 9/11, but i don't believe a conspiracy of that magnitude could hold together for very long.