bill hall is the most UNDERRATED player in the league.

[Flags of Dawn]

discuss.

[Dirty Ernie]

he let the phils tie it by running in on a ball way over his head in center (don't care that it isn't his normal position) and scored the game winning run on an error

derrick turnbow on the other hand is nasty

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he let the phils tie it by running in on a ball way over his head in center (don't care that it isn't his normal position) and scored the game winning run on an error

derrick turnbow on the other hand is nasty
he also hit a walk off homerun yesterday, been a model of consistency at the plate and has played solid defense at 3B, SS, 2B, as well as the outfield. he plays wherever ned yost tells him and excels at it every time

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

he hit a walk off homer two days in a row?

[Drew Beringer]

Agreed. I love Billy Hall.

[Flags of Dawn]

he hit a walk off homer two days in a row?
he had a leadoff double tonight, and was bunted home after the pitcher made a shitty throw to third.

[Broken Parachute]

Now THIS is true.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

he had a leadoff double tonight, and was bunted home after the pitcher made a shitty throw to third.

yes...but you said he had a walk off homer yesterday.

i know he hit one on sunday, but....

[Flags of Dawn]

yes...but you said he had a walk off homer yesterday.

i know he hit one on sunday, but....
ohh, whoops. yeah im messed up on my days. they had the day off yesterday.

[mikeford]

too bad they dont even play this dude every day. doi.

[Flags of Dawn]

too bad they dont even play this dude every day. doi.
thats why he learned the outfield. hes played 30 games this season, and they have more than they need with infielders, so.....

[Drew Beringer]

Let's just hope the Crew can go on a winning streak now, get us a few games above .500.

[Flags of Dawn]

Let's just hope the Crew can go on a winning streak now, get us a few games above .500.
and Hardy's injury is nothing serious.

[Goodbye Forever]

If they can get their shit together on the road, this team should be in WC contention pretty much all year. It's too bad they play in the Central though, because I don't think they'll be able to overcome Houston or St. Louis.

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If they can get their shit together on the road, this team should be in WC contention pretty much all year. It's too bad they play in the Central though, because I don't think they'll be able to overcome Houston or St. Louis.
the two wild card teams might come out of the central if all goes well. doubtful, but possible. cause we know the reds will fade.

[Goodbye Forever]

the two wild card teams might come out of the central if all goes well. doubtful, but possible. cause we know the reds will fade.

Yeah, I don't think Cincy's pitching will hold up all year, and NL hitters are going to figure out Arroyo after a couple of go arounds.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Adam Dunn

Discuss

[Split2nd]

Nah.

Brian Giles.

Second place- Tie between Lance Berkman, Jason Giambi, maybe Dunn

[bigmike]

the two wild card teams might come out of the central if all goes well. doubtful, but possible. cause we know the reds will fade.
Tigers > Brewers.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

how is it maybe Dunn? People are stupid if they don’t notice Giambi. Brian Giles, maybe, but I have never seen love for Dunn. And its all because he has a low BA and lots a SO. Well, Adam also has a beautiful ISOB (isolated on base percentage) and ISOS (isolated slugging percentage). The guy has had a nice OBP and SLG since he first started playing and in 2 out of the 3 years he has had over 500 AB's, he has hit 40 homeruns. Dunn wins in my opinion.

[mikeford]

adam dunn gets tons of praise.

right now its mike lowell.

[ImpulZe]

and Hardy's injury is nothing serious.

I heard two weeks.

Hall will Primarily play SS, Cirrilo will move to the utility infilder and Clark will get center back.

Hall is underrated, but its's not just him the whole team is underrated, all you hear is pujols, why because hes on a good team and is a good player but Carlos Lees stats are the near the same but its the team he is on that ruins it for him.

Turnbow is also underrateed to the MAX. I mean you can't get much more dominent than him...

Go Brewers, I will be at Saturdays Twins Brewers game..SEC 319 Row uno..

[NetNerdsRevenge]

adam dunn gets tons of praise.

right now its mike lowell.
Where? I dont think people realize just how good he is. If he was a FA today he would not make top dollar like other players have and do, even though he is more valuable.

Mike Lowell is underrated right now, but over his career, not as much as Dunn.

[mikeford]

i sincerely doubt what you say.

if he was a free agent he'd at least make paul konerko money

[NetNerdsRevenge]

how much did Konerko get? 50 million? Maybe he gets that much, but I still dont think regular people know how good he is. I mean, that fact that when he had almost the same amount of homeruns as he did singles is telling you something.

[Goodbye Forever]

Adam Dunn isn't underrated. He only has one tool.

Sure, he can crank the ball like no other, but he can't hit for average (.247 for his career, .222 this season), he's slow, and he's a wreck in the outfield.

[Flags of Dawn]

I heard two weeks.

Hall will Primarily play SS, Cirrilo will move to the utility infilder and Clark will get center back.

Hall is underrated, but its's not just him the whole team is underrated, all you hear is pujols, why because hes on a good team and is a good player but Carlos Lees stats are the near the same but its the team he is on that ruins it for him.

Turnbow is also underrateed to the MAX. I mean you can't get much more dominent than him...

Go Brewers, I will be at Saturdays Twins Brewers game..SEC 319 Row uno..
i'll be there as well...crazy. sec 404, row dos.

[histrionics22]

how much did Konerko get? 50 million? Maybe he gets that much, but I still dont think regular people know how good he is. I mean, that fact that when he had almost the same amount of homeruns as he did singles is telling you something.

It tells me he plays in a homerun park and he is too slow to run out doubles.

[asianxcore]

there is only one wildcard team retard

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Adam Dunn isn't underrated. He only has one tool.

Sure, he can crank the ball like no other, but he can't hit for average (.247 for his career, .222 this season), he's slow, and he's a wreck in the outfield.
He has more power hits (doubles, homeruns) than he does singles. In sabermetric worlds thats straight brilliant. (of course you dont want a line-up full of Dunns, but as a power hitter, he is up there.) A double and homerun have more weight in value as far as Run index, win probability, and all that stuff, than a single would. and you pointing out average is exactly why he is underrated. Batting average on a whole is overrated and because Dunn does not have a high average, he must not be that good of a player...wrong. His slg percentage really doesn't show you how much of a power hitter he is. If he hit more singles and got his average up, his slg would rise even higher than it is right now. He is one of the best isolated power hitters in the game. UZR doesnt think he is a wreck in the outfield. It as him at -4 runs and -1 for arm. Better than Bonds, Manny, and Sheff. Hardballtimes who invented a system similar to UZR (not as good) has him at -9.2. still a far cry from "wreck." And if you dont like him in the OF, stick his ass on first base. And since when does speed mean a thing when you hit doubles and homeruns constantly?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

It tells me he plays in a homerun park and he is too slow to run out doubles.
what? He had 57singles in 2005 and 35 doubles. And Great American Ballpark is a slight pitchers park, per baseballprospectus.com

[Goodbye Forever]

He has more power hits (doubles, homeruns) than he does singles. In sabermetric worlds thats straight brilliant. (of course you dont want a line-up full of Dunns, but as a power hitter, he is up there.) A double and homerun have more weight in value as far as Run index, win probability, and all that stuff, than a single would. and you pointing out average is exactly why he is underrated. Batting average on a whole is overrated and because Dunn does not have a high average, he must not be that good of a player...wrong. His slg percentage really doesn't show you how much of a power hitter he is. If he hit more singles and got his average up, his slg would rise even higher than it is right now. He is one of the best isolated power hitters in the game. UZR doesnt think he is a wreck in the outfield. It as him at -4 runs and -1 for arm. Better than Bonds, Manny, and Sheff. Hardballtimes who invented a system similar to UZR (not as good) has him at -9.2. still a far cry from "wreck." And if you dont like him in the OF, stick his ass on first base. And since when does speed mean a thing when you hit doubles and homeruns constantly?

No one said he wasn't a good player... But he's not underrated.

Having more power hits than singles is brilliant if the player actually hits singles as well... He doesn't. Obviously doubles and HR's have more weight towards run index and such, but because that's all he hits isn't necessarily a good thing. They would both be higher if he actually put more balls into play.

I will give credit to the fact that his OBS is pretty high for a guy with a .222 average. At least he gets on base through walks.

By the way, what do you use to look up sabermetric stats? I wanted to look at UZR for outfielders so I could see where he stands.

[histrionics22]

what? He had 57singles in 2005 and 35 doubles. And Great American Ballpark is a slight pitchers park, per baseballprospectus.com

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/columnists/stan_olson/14409091.htm

[bigmike]

I heard two weeks.

Hall will Primarily play SS, Cirrilo will move to the utility infilder and Clark will get center back.

Hall is underrated, but its's not just him the whole team is underrated, all you hear is pujols, why because hes on a good team and is a good player but Carlos Lees stats are the near the same but its the team he is on that ruins it for him.

Turnbow is also underrateed to the MAX. I mean you can't get much more dominent than him...

Go Brewers, I will be at Saturdays Twins Brewers game..SEC 319 Row uno..
how is the whole team underrated? They're only a game above .500. you can't be "underrated" if you're hovering around .500

and lee is hitting 26 points less than Pujols, with 15 fewer RBI's and 11 fewer total bases and 11 fewer walks. in fact, lee has less HR's, RBI's, Walks than Jim Thome.

[Drew Beringer]

I love the Brewers. Too bad Ben Sheets has KWS (Kerry Wood Syndrome).

[NetNerdsRevenge]

No one said he wasn't a good player... But he's not underrated.

Having more power hits than singles is brilliant if the player actually hits singles as well... He doesn't. Obviously doubles and HR's have more weight towards run index and such, but because that's all he hits isn't necessarily a good thing. They would both be higher if he actually put more balls into play.

I will give credit to the fact that his OBS is pretty high for a guy with a .222 average. At least he gets on base through walks.

By the way, what do you use to look up sabermetric stats? I wanted to look at UZR for outfielders so I could see where he stands.
of course his numbers would be better if he hit more, but people still do not realize how good he is. His isolated power is probably better than anyone else in the league and thus his run index and all that is bettet than someone would expect.

search UZR on google.

[Drew Beringer]

Could it be two in a row against Philly tonight? Looking good.

[Flags of Dawn]

Could it be two in a row against Philly tonight? Looking good.
it was 4-2 philly when i turned the game on...its now 7-5 crew....coincidence?

ps i bought this fine article of clothing to wear to the game on saturday.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/schwaly3/1_250.jpg

[Flags of Dawn]

i dont know if i can handle this supsense if its going to go on the rest of the season.

[Drew Beringer]

Oh man what a game! Jenkins with the walk-off single to win! Phils walked Billy "Walk-Off" Hall with Cirillo on second, only to get Jenkins to hit em in! Wooooooo

[Drew Beringer]

it was 4-2 philly when i turned the game on...its now 7-5 crew....coincidence?

ps i bought this fine article of clothing to wear to the game on saturday.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/schwaly3/1_250.jpg
noice, I was gonna buy that one at Lids but then I saw the authentic blue one that they wore in the retro night game, so I bought that one instead haha.

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noice, I was gonna buy that one at Lids but then I saw the authentic blue one that they wore in the retro night game, so I bought that one instead haha.
my friend and i were looking at all of them like "hmm, and i think i'll get this one next if they lose the game i wear this one to, and i'll pick up that one after the all star break" we're like the guys in celtic pride...haha.

[Drew Beringer]

my friend and i were looking at all of them like "hmm, and i think i'll get this one next if they lose the game i wear this one to, and i'll pick up that one after the all star break" we're like the guys in celtic pride...haha.
haha I'm very superstitious like that too, especially with the Pacers.

[Split2nd]

Damn, nicest hat I've seen.

Dunn walks a shit load. He's not slow, and he has the ability to steal bases.

I still think it's Giles. Had a 1.008 OPS away from that hell-hole last year, that's ridiculous.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/columnists/stan_olson/14409091.htm
Thanks, but I think i'll take baseballprospectus' word for it. Im sure they know a little more than Stan does. And besides his 05 season, Dunn's homerun splits are pretty close. His doubles are even more close.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Dunn walks a shit load. He's not slow, and he has the ability to steal bases.

I still think it's Giles. Had a 1.008 OPS away from that hell-hole last year, that's ridiculous.

I think Giles is up there, but I still dont think (and I cannot stress it enough) that people realize that Dunn's low average coupled with a high OBP and SLG makes him all the better. Basically every time he hits he hits for power.

Still, if Giles wasnt playing in that shit hole ballpark, he would be a top tier player.

[Split2nd]

Not so far this year, but that's because of aging/decline. Last year though, phew.

If Dunn could get his contact rate up, he'd be ridiculously good. Unfortunately, I think if that did go up, his power would go down. I think as he is, he's a great player. A team full of Adam Dunns would be tops in the league in runs scored.

[bigmike]

noice, I was gonna buy that one at Lids but then I saw the authentic blue one that they wore in the retro night game, so I bought that one instead haha.
the authentic blue retro brewers hats are so fucking nice.