ALCS - Angels vs. Yankees

[rcrook]

Angels in 7

[xbrokendownx]

you beat me to it!

Yankees in 6

bring it!

[TheOtherAndrew]

Yankees in 6

[fightinirish217]

Yanks in 6 also

[StandMyBrothers]

honestly Scott, this series is actually cholera vs dysentery part 2.

[softhands]

yanks.

[bNz719]

Angels in 7

[crit]

Go Angels.

[RiCCioLi]

yanks in 6

[CarouselBoy]

yankees in 6, but the angels scare the heck out of me. I would have way rather seen them play the red sox

[Zack Haughton]

Even though im a yankees fan, the yankees are just in every aspect better than the angels.

[rcrook]

Even though im a yankees fan, the yankees are just in every aspect better than the angels.

yeah because joe girardi is such a better manager than mike scoscia

[CarryOn09]

angels in 7.

i will hopefully be attending one of these matches, in a ridiculous amount of red.

[rcrook]

have tickets to game 4

[CarlosLunes]

ryan is in charge of fetching nachos for jp, so he has great seats

[rcrook]

ryan is in charge of fetching nachos for jp, so he has great seats

if he asks me if that's god's thumbnail one more time...

[CarryOn09]

have tickets to game 4

<-- jealous

[kshtoinks12]

Yanks in, get this, 4. I'll be witnessing the game 2 pouncing.

[rcrook]

Yanks in, get this, 4. I'll be witnessing the game 2 pouncing.

you're a turd

[xbrokendownx]

currently trying to get tickets to game 2...we'll see how that goes

[MrBenzedrine]

Even though im a yankees fan, the yankees are just in every aspect better than the angels.

yeah because joe girardi is such a better manager than mike scoscia

Hahahah...

I've been a Yankee's fan since birth but I absolutely despise Joe Girardi. The only reason losing wouldn't be the worst thing to swallow is because that dude would be booted from the club before he knew what hit him if he failed with that lineup.

Either way his contract is up after this year so hopefully we explore our options before renewing anything. That guy aint the brightest crayon in the box.

Yanks in 6

[kshtoinks12]

you're a turd
A turd with a broom.

[aloneatlastnj]

Either way his contract is up after this year

uh, hate to burst your bubble..his contract was for 3 years. it's up after 2010.


and he's far from the worst manager out there. he may overmanage a bit and buy into hype that doesn't exist (like starting molina during burnett starts), but that's about all you can complain about. he's done a good job balancing the bullpen and keeping the bench and players fresh.

[jay_klinkhammer]

Angels in 6. CC wins 1 of his starts only, they get to him the 2nd time around.

Go Torii!

[DaveFeelsRight]

i picked against the angels already and i wont do it again.


angels in 7.

[AMackChuck]

I am still pissed my sox couldn't hold their shit together today. I'm going to say Angels in 7, fuck the yankees.

[alltimecam]

yanks in 5, we'll give you one.

[Sventhegreat]

Yankees in five. Start digging your grave, Angels. Your watery, watery grave.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I'm going to go with the Yankees in 5.

[ILoveTrees]

Angels in 6 followed by a sweep and absolute beat down to Los Doyers in the World Series. Go Halos!!

[COTA]

yeah because joe girardi is such a better manager than mike scoscia

lol

[a nice person]

angels in 6. that's what i'm hoping for anyway.

[etomicsean]

yankees in 6, but the angels scare the heck out of me. I would have way rather seen them play the red sox

this times a million. i live in boston and am i diehard yankees fan. i was pulling for the red sox. my friends up here were SO confused.

[Zeran]

should be a great series.

[SilenceBrokenTT]

Should be a great series... I'm going with Angels in 6.

[Mibabalou]

yankees in 5 or 6

yankz r00l

[preppyak]

Great A-rod photo
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1255354806101_arod_01.j pg

[Cameronisonfire]

Pulling for the Angels, Figgins is the shit. However, it will be Yankees in 6. Ugh.

[aloneatlastnj]

Great A-rod photo
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1255354806101_arod_01.j pg

hahaha its a little backwards!

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs266.snc1/9326_720748756606_5501136_41472521_ 7225292_n.jpg

[alltimecam]

Great A-rod photo
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1255354806101_arod_01.j pg

I'm confused. Did A-Rod take this picture? Because that is Derek Jeter. (Right?)

[xbrokendownx]

do you not see the guy creeping in the background?

[a nice person]

Pulling for the Angels, Figgins is the shit. However, it will be Yankees in 6. Ugh.

figgins played like shit against the red sox, but overall is probably our most consistent player. this is gonna be a good series.

[rcrook]

bahhahahahha the kid thinks a-rod was the photographer

[emopunkfan]

Yankees in 6

[rcrook]

oooof i don't think the wall street journal could have titled this article any worse

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487044293045744675614 56087096.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_ lifestyle

[Drew Beringer]

I'm confused. Did A-Rod take this picture? Because that is Derek Jeter. (Right?)
lolol

[Crosswind Ghost]

Angels in 6. Yankees have yet to win a series in the playoffs this year. Twins just gave it to them. I've never seen a major league team act like the bad news bears, pitiful offense.

[xbrokendownx]

yea, the Yankee pitching didnt have an ERA under 2 in the Twins series or anything. it was all the Twins sucking

[CubbyNick42]

Yankees in 5.

[rcrook]

no love for the angels :(

[CubbyNick42]

I didn't say I want the Yanks to win...

[inthemidst]

Angels in 7




















...hopefully

[Circa1628]

I hope the Yankees win, but I'm thinking Angels in six games

[sleepyseanzzz]

yankees.

[fedhed7]

Yanks in 6 leading to a dodgers/yanks world series.

[SurfSkittles16]

angels all the way please.

[Crosswind Ghost]

yea, the Yankee pitching didnt have an ERA under 2 in the Twins series or anything. it was all the Twins sucking
Yes.

[greenteaallday]

Angels in 6. Yankees have yet to win a series in the playoffs this year. Twins just gave it to them. I've never seen a major league team act like the bad news bears, pitiful offense.

You obviously didn't watch a game of the series then. The yankees were down every game and had to come back. To say the Twins just laid down and played terrible is just idiotic.

[schenksta]

Angels in 6. Yankees have yet to win a series in the playoffs this year. Twins just gave it to them. I've never seen a major league team act like the bad news bears, pitiful offense.

Well if that's the way you think, then the Angels haven't either. The Red Sox hit like shit and their bullpen blew it. The Angels didn't do anything to win.

[rcrook]

Well if that's the way you think, then the Angels haven't either. The Red Sox hit like shit and their bullpen blew it. The Angels didn't do anything to win.

hahahahahahah yeah don't give lackey or weaver props for the bo sox lack of hitting and don't give us any credit for having the resiliency to come back from being down 5-1. get the fuck out of here.

[Crosswind Ghost]

You obviously didn't watch a game of the series then. The yankees were down every game and had to come back. To say the Twins just laid down and played terrible is just idiotic.
Yes, The twins just laid down and played terrible. Grown men making little league errors had nothing to do with the yankees playing great. Yankee's definitely had the least impressive sweep of the playoffs, and That's not to say they had to have an impressive one.

[Crosswind Ghost]

Well if that's the way you think, then the Angels haven't either. The Red Sox hit like shit and their bullpen blew it. The Angels didn't do anything to win.
Touche, the Angels did nothing. Yankees should have no problem with them.

[rcrook]

so much fail in this thread. the yankees and angels deserved to win their respective series. they were better in all aspects, including cashing in on their opponents mistakes. if you think otherwise then you're a chump.

[jay_klinkhammer]

Agreed.

31 baserunners left on for the Twins.



Nick Punto has always sucked and he proved it.


No need to mention the Cuzzi incident, we would've found a way to lose it.

[Crosswind Ghost]

Agreed.

31 baserunners left on for the Twins.



Nick Punto has always sucked and he proved it.


No need to mention the Cuzzi incident, we would've found a way to lose it.
I would kill myself if i were a Twins fan after watching those two plays.

[jay_klinkhammer]

I would kill myself if i were a Twins fan after watching those two plays.


Favre has relieved a lot of the pain :-d

[greenteaallday]

Agreed.

31 baserunners left on for the Twins.



Nick Punto has always sucked and he proved it.


No need to mention the Cuzzi incident, we would've found a way to lose it.

Not for nothing though, but you guys scored first in every single game. I'd be more upset with pitching than anything.

[rcrook]

Not for nothing though, but you guys scored first in every single game. I'd be more upset with pitching than anything.

more upset with pitching than leaving 17 guys on base in game 2 or the huge baserunning blunders from gomez and punto? get real.

[fightinirish217]

so much fail in this thread. the yankees and angels deserved to win their respective series. they were better in all aspects, including cashing in on their opponents mistakes. if you think otherwise then you're a chump.

Exactly right. In the playoffs, it's all about taking advantage of mistakes and big opportunities, and both the Yankees and Angels did that. They both deserve it.

[sjb2k1]

yankees in 6...but this should be one hell of a series.

[jahh]

so much fail in this thread. the yankees and angels deserved to win their respective series.
haha truth

No need to mention the Cuzzi incident, we would've found a way to lose it.
probably true

I would kill myself if i were a Twins fan after watching those two plays.
Near-death experiences. But can't complain.
I would kill myself if I were a Tigers fan.

[thewk]

I'll say Yanks in 6. Yankees/Dodgers World Series. Yankees in 5.

[itsmesean0630]

Angels in 6.

[xbrokendownx]

Game 1: Friday, Oct. 16, 7:37 p.m. ET
Angels at Yankees
RHP John Lackey (1-0, 0.00 ERA) vs. LHP CC Sabathia (1-0, 1.35 ERA)

Game 2: Saturday, Oct. 17, 7:37 p.m. ET
Angels at Yankees
RHP Jered Weaver (1-0, 1.23) vs. RHP A.J. Burnett (0-0, 1.50)

Game 3: Monday, Oct. 19, TBA
Yankees at Angels
LHP Andy Pettitte (1-0, 1.42) vs. LHP Scott Kazmir (0-0, 7.50)

Game 4: Tuesday, Oct. 20, TBA
Yankees at Angels

Game 5: Thursday, Oct. 22, TBA
Yankees at Angels (if necessary)

Game 6: Saturday, Oct. 24, TBA
Angels at Yankees (if necessary)

Game 7: Sunday, Oct. 25, TBA
Angels at Yankees (if necessary)

[williek311]

I just want the Yankees to win so the guy who sits next to me at work won't talk about the Angles. He is also a Pittsburgh Steelers, LA Lakers and UNC fan.

[pand75]

If only it were possible for both teams to lose.Angels in 7.

[fightinirish217]

I just want the Yankees to win so the guy who sits next to me at work won't talk about the Angles. He is also a Pittsburgh Steelers, LA Lakers and UNC fan.

Now that is a weird combination of favorite teams.

[Kaleidoscope]

Now that is a weird combination of favorite teams.

Well the Lakers, Steelers, and UNC were all really good in the 70s-80s... idk about the Angels though..

[xbrokendownx]

yea and they all happen to be defending champions

[rcrook]

Looks like this series will be aired on Fox while the NLCS will be on TBS. Just want I want to hear is Tim Mcarver and Joe Buck sucking the Yankees dick for 4 hours every night.

[a nice person]

Looks like this series will be aired on Fox while the NLCS will be on TBS. Just want I want to hear is Tim Mcarver and Joe Buck sucking the Yankees dick for 4 hours every night.

at least fox won't cut to commercial mid at-bat like tbs did. i don't hate mccarver (don't particularly like him though), but i absolutely can't stand buck.

[Kaleidoscope]

Looks like this series will be aired on Fox while the NLCS will be on TBS. Just want I want to hear is Tim Mcarver and Joe Buck sucking the Yankees dick for 4 hours every night.

at least fox won't cut to commercial mid at-bat like tbs did. i don't hate mccarver (don't particularly like him though), but i absolutely can't stand buck.

Anything is better than Chip Carey. I think we'll all agree on that.

"BASE HIT! NO, CAUGHT OUT THERE."

[rcrook]

I wish Bob Costas would do this. He keeps his mouth shut when he has to and he doesn't say fisted 20 times a game.

[Kaleidoscope]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that "fisted" is being overused. Pretty sure they said it when Posada hit a home run.

[rcrook]

I'm pretty sure he also said that "pitcher's name" was looking for a strikeout off the bat of Johnny Damon

[Kaleidoscope]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/sports/baseball/09sandomir.html?_r=3&ex=1349668800&en=b2d6a67ece449bb0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

they knew it 2 years ago.

[rcrook]

Bob Costas and Bob Uecker doing the 95 ALDS on MLB Network right now. Now that's a great duo in the booth.

[Kaleidoscope]

They have it all.

[imirish06]

Angels in 7.

[a nice person]

yanks just announced they will have a 3-man rotation. i think that is to our advantage since we do well against pettit.

[itsmesean0630]

I wish Bob Costas would do this. He keeps his mouth shut when he has to and he doesn't say fisted 20 times a game.
I'm with you on the overuse of "fisted".

[rcrook]

yanks just announced they will have a 3-man rotation. i think that is to our advantage since we do well against pettit.

that means CC will pitch game 4 on 3 days rest but he was great at that last year for the Brewers so that is no real advantage for us. So I'm guessing the pitching matchups will be:

Game 1: CC vs. Lackey
Game 2: Burnett vs. Weaver
Game 3: Pettite vs. Kazmir
Game 4: CC vs. Saunders
Game 5: Lackey vs. Burnett
Game 6: TBD
Game 7: TBD

[a nice person]

Pettit was 0-2, 7.88 ERA, 21 hits and eight walks in 16 innings this year against us. possibly getting to see him twice in a series looks like a positive to me.

[xbrokendownx]

who the fuck is pettit

[a nice person]

*pettitte

[xbrokendownx]

nice, liking the 8pm start time since ill be at the devils game

[rcrook]

sheesh 1pm start on monday

[schenksta]

hahahahahahah yeah don't give lackey or weaver props for the bo sox lack of hitting and don't give us any credit for having the resiliency to come back from being down 5-1. get the fuck out of here.

I was mocking the other guy. Moron.

[alltimecam]

lolol
I'M CONFUSED!!!
x

[The Raine]

Yankees in 6.

[alltimecam]

do you not see the guy creeping in the background?

Oh, shit I did not. I just see Derek looking retarded
Damn, stupid me.

[SilenceBrokenTT]

sheesh 1pm start on monday
That's a negative... game's in Anaheim, so the 4pm start is west coast time.

[bhs1158]

That's a negative... game's in Anaheim, so the 4pm start is west coast time.

No, he's right. 4 pm ET, 1 pm PT.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/mlb/ps/y2009/matchup.jsp?series=lcs_a

[Scott Weber]

go angels, i guess.

[SilenceBrokenTT]

Jesus, that's a ridiculously early start time for a weekday then...

[a nice person]

the angels were 34-14 during day games this year though.

[CarouselBoy]

this times a million. i live in boston and am i diehard yankees fan. i was pulling for the red sox. my friends up here were SO confused.

haha I felt confused. I was trying not to pull for the sox, but if they won out I wasn't gonna complain

[rcrook]

Lackey Game 1
Saunders Game 2
Weaver Game 3
Kazmir Game 4

[rcrook]

Sports Illustrated wrote an article about a possible Freeway series. There goes the chances of that happening...

[aloneatlastnj]

Lackey Game 1
Saunders Game 2
Weaver Game 3
Kazmir Game 4

i don’t get it. why not just throw kazmir in game 2? he’s better. if you throw an inferior pitcher in game 2 and save the better pitcher for game 4, it may be too late for kazmir to make a difference.

[Crosswind Ghost]

i don’t get it. why not just throw kazmir in game 2? he’s better. if you throw an inferior pitcher in game 2 and save the better pitcher for game 4, it may be too late for kazmir to make a difference.
Kazmir is better then Saunders? Since when? Guessing you're not an angels fan.

[rcrook]

i don’t get it. why not just throw kazmir in game 2? he’s better. if you throw an inferior pitcher in game 2 and save the better pitcher for game 4, it may be too late for kazmir to make a difference.

i don't know either but i trust scoscia

[aloneatlastnj]

Kazmir is better then Saunders? Since when? Guessing you're not an angels fan.

no, i'm not. but:

saunders home: 98.1 IP, .263/.319/.460 allowed, 4.12 ERA, 1.281 WHIP
saunders road: 87.2 IP, .295/.362/.448 allowed, 5.13 ERA, 1.597 WHIP

kazmir home: 81.2 IP, .264/.337/.436 allowed, 5.95 ERA, 1.469 WHIP
kazmir road: 65.2 IP, .252/.327/.376 allowed, 3.56 ERA, 1.355 WHIP

game 2 is on the road while game 4 will be at home. doesn't make sense looking at the splits.

also kazmir has been better against the yankees in 2009 and in his career. but he walks a lot of guys..maybe scoscia wants to limit his exposure since the yankees are a patient team and could make him pay? i don't know.

[rcrook]

kazmir is better than saunders. saunders has been great since coming off of the dl but kazmir has been great too since coming to the angels minus the game 3 start in boston.

[xbrokendownx]

yankees add freddie guzman to the roster in place of Eric Hinske. rest of the lineup is the same as the ALDS

[J.C.]

Yanks in 6.

[rcrook]

supposed to rain all weekend in nyc

[rcrook]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/10/phistaff.jpg


WOOO HOOO we got Cliff Lee

[xbrokendownx]

supposed to rain all weekend in nyc




its pouring and 37 degrees out right now. and thats not supposed to stop for awhile, ugh

[rcrook]

its pouring and 37 degrees out right now. and thats not supposed to stop for awhile, ugh

oh sweet. angels are so used to playing in wet, freezing weather.

[a nice person]

so what happens if the weather is too bad to play? will they try to play two on saturday, or just have to fix the whole schedule?

[rcrook]

no way they will do a doubleheader on saturday. it's supposed to rain on saturday too so this could become a project. get a dome you homos!

[aloneatlastnj]

so what happens if the weather is too bad to play? will they try to play two on saturday, or just have to fix the whole schedule?

not that big of a deal logistically if friday's game is rained out - they'd probably just get rid of the off day on the 18th or 21st.

so instead of:

10/16 - game 1
10/17 - game 2
10/18 - off day
10/19 - game 3
10/20 - game 4
10/21 - off day
10/22 - game 5
10/23 - off day
10/24 - game 6
10/25 - game 7

it could be:

10/16 - rain out
10/17 - game 1
10/18 - game 2
10/19 - game 3 OR off day
10/20 - game 4 OR game 3
10/21 - off day OR game 4
10/22 - game 5
10/23 - off day
10/24 - game 6
10/25 - game 7

scenario 2 with the off day on monday is much more likely since it doesn't make sense to have off day-game-off day-game.

[xbrokendownx]

Ronan Tynan, the Irish tenor who often sings (a very, very long version of) “God Bless America” during the seventh-inning stretch at Yankee Stadium, will not appear tonight after it was reported that he made an anti-Semitic joke to a potential tenant in his Manhattan apartment building.

According to the New York Daily News story, Tynan ran into a real estate agent showing a client an apartment in his building. When the agent joked to Tynan that he shouldn’t worry because the client wasn’t a Red Sox fan, Tynan responded, “I don’t care about that as long as they are not Jewish.”

Tynan has since apologized – he told WNBC, “I would never want to hurt anybody’s feelings. It was stupid of me to be so callous” – but still had his appearance at Game 1 tonight canceled by the Yankees.




what the hell ronan...

[a nice person]

that's the wrong city to live in if you don't like the jews

[xbrokendownx]

as for the weather report for this game...its 45 degrees out right now and its not raining but its been overcast all day. its supposed to pour tonight and i heard there are flood warning in effect

[a nice person]

geez, not looking promising

[rcrook]

within the next 36 hours there is supposed to be only 2 hours where it isn't raining.

[COTA]

what the hell ronan...

Wow, that's pretty blunt to say the least.

[rcrook]

not supposed to start raining til tomorrow morning so we might be able to get tonight's game in

[CubbyNick42]

It's always weird when one series has two games in the books and the other hasn't started.

[COTA]

Go Angels!

[CubbyNick42]

Man, I forgot how depressing Friday nights can be when you have nothing to do.

[StandMyBrothers]

lol Aybar Figgins

[The Raine]

Hahahaha wow.

[StandMyBrothers]

Best RBI SINGLE EVER!@#@$@$_(!

[QuikTrig]

haha this is a pretty dead thread for a fairly decent game going on.

[Drew Beringer]

awful call, Tex was off the bag. These umpires are shit.

[StandMyBrothers]

I believe I called it that the Angels were getting all those calls against Boston, back east they ain't getting those calls.

[QuikTrig]

ha the only reason i think he was safe is because of the first base coach reacting like he did. no way those guys are reacting like that unless they're sure.

[StandMyBrothers]

in the replay you can see Tex pushing his foot back.

[QuikTrig]

and was i the only one who heard them talking about how the 2 seam fastball is an advantage for lackey against matsui because they dont "have that pitch in japan"? dude's been in the MLB for what, 7 years?

[Drew Beringer]

Angels are killing themselves.

[StandMyBrothers]

so did Lackey lose maybe 1 million per year extra tonight?

[captainamazing4]

this is a disappointing game for the angels. im thoroughly mad about everything that's happened

[StandMyBrothers]

I dropped 40 bucks on the Yankees in this competition, yet I'm actively rooting against them. and I hate the Angels too. I'm so confused. At least club soccer is back this weekend.

[aloneatlastnj]

so that whole "CC can't pitch in october" thing...i'm pretty sure he gave it a giant middle finger tonight. thats why the man's the highest paid pitcher in baseball.

[QuikTrig]

so that whole "CC can't pitch in october" thing...i'm pretty sure he gave it a giant middle finger tonight. thats why the man's the highest paid pitcher in baseball.

ha. shouldn't be.

[aloneatlastnj]

ha. shouldn't be.

cry about it. that's business and the nature of baseball right now. the yankees wouldn't have given him (one of the best lefties/top overall pitchers in the league entering his prime) the money (which they had available to spend) if they didn't think he was worth it. he's clearly been worth every cent. (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=404&position=P#value)

[Drew Beringer]

cry about it. the yankees wouldn't have given him the money if they didn't think he was worth it. he's clearly been worth every cent. (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=404&position=P#value).
QuickTrig is a Giants fan, so he is probably thinking Lincecum should be the highest paid pitcher. I dunno, obviously Sabathia is worth every penny, he was dominant for the Brewers and he has been awesome for the Yankees. I just wish he wasn't on the Yankees haha

[QuikTrig]

boo hoo. that's business and the nature of baseball right now. the yankees wouldn't have given him (one of the best lefties/top overall pitchers in the league entering his prime) the money (which they had available to spend) if they didn't think he was worth it. he's clearly been worth every cent. (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=404&position=P#value).

a lot of people earn their paychecks. and you stated reasons he is the highest paid thrower in the league. good for him, i'd take the money too. whether he actually deserves to be is another question. and i would say he shouldn't be.

[aloneatlastnj]

QuickTrig is a Giants fan, so he is probably thinking Lincecum should be the highest paid pitcher. I dunno, obviously Sabathia is worth every penny, he was dominant for the Brewers and he has been awesome for the Yankees. I just wish he wasn't on the Yankees haha

it's awesome to see him just beast the league after having a rough start to the season. and that's just the unfair nature of baseball -- it's all about keeping those guys cost controlled. but believe me, if lincecum keeps it up he'll get his if/once he opts for free agency.

[QuikTrig]

ha i've read my post and it made me sound as though he shouldn't even be in the discussion. i didn't intend it to be like that, my bad. i would say there's an argument for him and couple others, and there's really no real "right" answer. i would just pick someone else, that's all. cc dominated today though, that's for sure.

i have no doubt king f/timmy will break a contract record at one time or another. i love how some of my friends that only follow baseball casually think our generation has no supersuperstars. what a joke.

[aloneatlastnj]

a lot of people earn their paychecks. and you stated reasons he is the highest paid thrower in the league. good for him, i'd take the money too. whether he actually deserves to be is another question. and i would say he shouldn't be.

why's that? is it that you wish someone else should be just because you like them more? is it that you believe he didn't earn it? or is it that you don't like the business side to baseball at all? just wondering.

simply put it's my opinion the yankees believed sabathia's overall marginal benefit would exceed his marginal cost. so they gave him a fat contract and he took it.

[aloneatlastnj]

ha i've read my post and it made me sound as though he shouldn't even be in the discussion. i didn't intend it to be like that, my bad. i would say there's an argument for him and couple others, and there's really no real "right" answer. i would just pick someone else, that's all. cc dominated today though, that's for sure.

i have no doubt king f/timmy will break a contract record at one time or another. i love how some of my friends that only follow baseball casually think our generation has no supersuperstars. what a joke.

ah i see what you're saying. i'm not trying to start a fight - just a casual conversation with someone who, i believe, is actually fairly baseball smart.

there's no doubt once felix/lincecum hit free agency they're going to break it -- felix especially since he'll be 25 (!!!) when he hits free agency. unbelievable to think he's been around for so long and he's getting better and better.

[QuikTrig]

why's that? is it that you wish someone else should be just because you like them more? is it that you believe he didn't earn it? or is it that you don't like the business side to baseball at all? just wondering.

simply put it's my opinion the yankees believed sabathia's overall marginal benefit would exceed his marginal cost. so they gave him a fat contract and he took it.

well like i said, i don't blame him and i could understand the reasoning. yanks need a SP, and have somewhat young stud, proven, innings eater. who else was in that FA class? lowe? in traditional yankee fashion, they overpaid and got the people they wanted. which is fine...i sometimes wish my owner/gm would do that too.

whether i think he should have been is different. when he was signed, did you really think he was that much better than other pitchers in the league to deserve a long term, record setting contract? i don't know. maybe at best. now look at lincecum and felix. they are early 20's, putting up #'s that pitchers put up in their prime. are they worth a long-term record setting contract? who knows....but i'd offer them one before sabathia. they aren't even reaching the beginning of their prime. just my opinion obviously.

[Drew Beringer]

I think Sabathia was definitely worth the money and I still think he is the best pitcher, I may be biased because of what I saw him do for the Brewers, in which he dominated nearly every game he pitched. It was a luxury for me to look at the probable pitchers, see Sabathia's name, and know that it was going to be a guaranteed victory. I just wish the Brewers could have afforded him, cause I know CC loved pitching here and love his teammates, but you'd be insane to turn down that contract from New York.

[aloneatlastnj]

well like i said, i don't blame him and i could understand the reasoning. yanks need a SP, and have somewhat young stud, proven, innings eater. who else was in that FA class? lowe? in traditional yankee fashion, they overpaid and got the people they wanted. which is fine...i sometimes wish my owner/gm would do that too.

whether i think he should have been is different. when he was signed, did you really think he was that much better than other pitchers in the league to deserve a long term, record setting contract? i don't know. maybe at best. now look at lincecum and felix. they are early 20's, putting up #'s that pitchers put up in their prime. are they worth a long-term record setting contract? who knows....but i'd offer them one before sabathia. they aren't even reaching the beginning of their prime. just my opinion obviously.

some notables were lowe, burnett, harden, pedro, sheets, and penny in addition to sabathia.

i'm of the belief that teams value players differently. obviously there's some overall consensus on who some of the elite starting pitchers are. do i believe sabathia is in that category? yes. do i believe he's better than any of the guys they could have signed during the off season? yes. there were a lot of factors going into the decision to sign him. yankees had glaring holes in their starting rotation especially after committing to their top young guys the season before. now, the yankees don't have many major league ready young guys that could even sniff the talent level of felix/lincecum. sabathia obviously gave the yankees the ability to develop some of these younger guys both in the minors and majors by locking him up for so long.

sabathia getting such a big contract was partly because of the yankees' need for starting pitching to remain competitive, part wanting the ability to develop young guys to remain competitive, he's a really good guy, and because he's arguably not only one of the best pitchers in the game today but because he's also arguably one of the best pitchers to hit free agency while entering his prime. the yankees believed he would benefit the team 1) more than the next best alternative, and 2) more than they would end up paying him. i guess it's all a matter of perspective.

[Drew Beringer]

I always forget about Ben Sheets, it's gonna be weird seeing him pitch again next season (probably for Texas). Can't believe the Brewers lost two Cy Young caliber pitchers in one off-season yet still managed to win 80 games with one of the worst pitching staffs in the NL.

[QuikTrig]

some notables were lowe, burnett, harden, pedro, sheets, and penny in addition to sabathia.

i'm of the belief that teams value players differently. obviously there's some overall consensus on who some of the elite starting pitchers are. do i believe sabathia is in that category? yes. do i believe he's better than any of the guys they could have signed during the off season? yes. there were a lot of factors going into the decision to sign him. yankees had glaring holes in their starting rotation especially after committing to their top young guys the season before. now, the yankees don't have many major league ready young guys that could even sniff the talent level of felix/lincecum. sabathia obviously gave the yankees the ability to develop some of these younger guys both in the minors and majors by locking him up for so long.

sabathia getting such a big contract was partly because of the yankees' need for starting pitching to remain competitive, part wanting the ability to develop young guys to remain competitive, he's a really good guy, and because he's arguably not only one of the best pitchers in the game today but because he's also arguably one of the best pitchers to hit free agency while entering his prime. the yankees believed he would benefit the team 1) more than the next best alternative, and 2) more than they would end up paying him. i guess it's all a matter of perspective.

can't really argue with that. i agree with everything in this. i guess i'm just taking on the perspective of someone with all the money in the world that can take any pitcher in the world. cc wouldn't be the highest paid. in the circumstances of circa 2009, yankees situation? sure, i'd agree with it.

[xbrokendownx]

Cc <3

[aloneatlastnj]

I think Sabathia was definitely worth the money and I still think he is the best pitcher, I may be biased because of what I saw him do for the Brewers, in which he dominated nearly every game he pitched. It was a luxury for me to look at the probable pitchers, see Sabathia's name, and know that it was going to be a guaranteed victory. I just wish the Brewers could have afforded him, cause I know CC loved pitching here and love his teammates, but you'd be insane to turn down that contract from New York.

absolutely drew. your feelings on him are how everyone here feels about him, too. i'll also concede that it's not really fair around baseball today that other teams don't have an equal shot to improve themselves by adding these top players. but there's obviously a lot more to that. there's the unwillingness/inability to spend money, the value amount these teams put on players, and of course the fact that there's no current penalty in place, other than revenue sharing and loss of draft picks, for teams that have the ability to spend money/sign top free agents. and that itself is also a factor of simply the size of the market and it's absolutely an unfair advantage.i mean, look at the same 4 or 5 teams that are able to buy: NYY, NYM, LAA, LAD, BOS..those are major markets in this country. but if you look at the yankees as the prime example, they bought and bought and bought and bought until they realized buying players wasn't a smart business practice for them and their minor league system - up until recently - has suffered for it.

i'd kill for the yankees to produce young and talented guys like the rays or other organizations have. it keeps the game exciting being able to follow the development of these guys. but i guess it's just not in the cards right now since a lot of our top young players aren't anywhere close to being major league ready.

i also think it's great that the brewers at least made a pitch for cc. it at least showed they were willing to keep him around for a price they believed was fair and for what they believed he was worth without being pushed around by agents and whatnot. but the money they offered could/should be spent in other places which should obviously help them somewhat.

and with that, i'm punching out. chance of rain is 90% tomorrow so here's to hoping they're able to get the game in.

[Drew Beringer]

absolutely drew. your feelings on him are how everyone here feels about him, too. i'll also concede that it's not really fair around baseball today that other teams don't have an equal shot to improve themselves by adding these top players. but there's obviously a lot more to that. there's the unwillingness/inability to spend money, the value amount these teams put on players, and of course the fact that there's no current penalty in place, other than revenue sharing and loss of draft picks, for teams that have the ability to spend money/sign top free agents. and that itself is also a factor of simply the size of the market and it's absolutely an unfair advantage.i mean, look at the same 4 or 5 teams that are able to buy: NYY, NYM, LAA, LAD, BOS..those are major markets in this country. but if you look at the yankees as the prime example, they bought and bought and bought and bought until they realized buying players wasn't a smart business practice for them and their minor league system - up until recently - has suffered for it.

i'd kill for the yankees to produce young and talented guys like the rays or other organizations have. it keeps the game exciting being able to follow the development of these guys. but i guess it's just not in the cards right now since a lot of our top young players aren't anywhere close to being major league ready.

i also think it's great that the brewers at least made a pitch for cc. it at least showed they were willing to keep him around for a price they believed was fair and for what they believed he was worth without being pushed around by agents and whatnot. but the money they offered could/should be spent in other places which should obviously help them somewhat.

and with that, i'm punching out. chance of rain is 90% tomorrow so here's to hoping they're able to get the game in.
yeah, I would have loved for the Brewers to offer CC something more than the 5 yr 100 mil they offered, but the Brewers in that market can't afford to have one player take up over a quarter of the payroll haha

[aloneatlastnj]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f1/fullj.4b461ec68c65abd6f6449fff4bd39 2c5/4b461ec68c65abd6f6449fff4bd392c5-getty-.jpg


oh look. foot's on the base.

[a nice person]

the forecast on weather.com is showing that the heavier rain might not come until later tonight, around 9 or 10.

[CubbyNick42]

oh look. foot's on the base.
Yeah, not sure what replay McCarver was looking at.

[StandMyBrothers]

another un-sold out game! wooooooooot. take that Selig and your attendance records

[Scott Weber]

lol @ yankee stadium, that ball was almost out.

[Drew Beringer]

A free swinger like Vlad had no chance against Joba.

[COTA]

Anyone keeping track how many visits there have been to the mound?

[J.C.]

I think Molina just wanted a closer look at the jizzstains on Joba's cap.

[StandMyBrothers]

OMGGG The Captain made an error! I thought he was the Gold Glove winner!

[J.C.]

Way to battle, Gary.

[pand75]

No benefit from switching Napoli for Matthews. I don't get that move,

[StandMyBrothers]

lol. Joe Buck got the fisted virus.

[Drew Beringer]

oooofff Anaheim

[COTA]

How do you decide to call that now? Talk about making yourself more important than the game.

[StandMyBrothers]

so you don't call that call in the 10th inning now. kind of hilarious.

[redsoxguy676]

Should have been a double. Son of a bitch.

[aloneatlastnj]

i don't care if 9 times out of 10 they call the phantom tag, that was so freakin' blatant. the rules say touch the base, not get close to the base and miss it.

[dignan]

I guess the umps want to go home.

[deadstar]

You dont change the way the game is called all year in the 10th inning of the ALCS. What a joke.

[aloneatlastnj]

I guess the umps want to go home.

or in a post season - hell even regular season - where the umpires have been so BRUTAL, the one time they get a call right people still bitch. i'd be completely fine with it if the same happened for the yankees.

[StandMyBrothers]

i don't care if 9 times out of 10 they call the phantom tag, that was so freakin' blatant. the rules say touch the base, not get close to the base and miss it.
well they usually call it 10 times out of 10.

[Drew Beringer]

good thing Damon sucks

[The Raine]

i don't care if 9 times out of 10 they call the phantom tag, that was so freakin' blatant. the rules say touch the base, not get close to the base and miss it.

Exactly.

Plus, the commentator just clarified that Aybar had touched the base on every other double play. Correct call.

[dignan]

if they had called him out the Yankees wouldn't have even cared. what a fucking joke. i always thought there was some unwritten rule where you don't have to tap the bag on a DP ball.

[COTA]

or in a post season - hell even regular season - where the umpires have been so BRUTAL, the one time they get a call right people still bitch. i'd be completely fine with it if the same happened for the yankees.

Why change the standard now though?

[marrost]

Is the base usually not touched on a double play? They said he touched it in the other 3 DP's the Angels have had.. I've never heard anything about this.

[Drew Beringer]

gets out of the jam

[StandMyBrothers]

well they got out of it so that umpire doesn't have to feel bad

[redsoxguy676]

God do I love Oliver.

[aloneatlastnj]

well they usually call it 10 times out of 10.

still don't care. i guarantee if that was derek jeter getting called on that everyone here would have a fucking field day. i agree it's kinda shitty that NOW of all times they start to crack down - definitely a strange time to get tight. but the rules are the rules, i guess.

[aloneatlastnj]

Is the base usually not touched on a double play? They said he touched it in the other 3 DP's the Angels have had.. I've never heard anything about this.

the general rule of baseball is that you have to touch the base or tag the runner - but double plays are such routine things that they've started to slack and automatically call it.

[J.C.]

I actually missed the play so I'll wait before I comment on this specific one. I will say the focus should be on consistency in the calls though. It'd be like changing up the strike zone after a certain point in the game, which probably shouldn't happen either.

[dignan]

what ever happened to Wilson Betemit?

[deadstar]

I'm not saying I agree with "in the vicinity" calls, but its a real shitty time to start taking a stand as an umpire.

[marrost]

the general rule of baseball is that you have to touch the base or tag the runner - but double plays are such routine things that they've started to slack and automatically call it.lol come on man, I may not post in here anymore, but at least give me that much credit.

I mean, I guess I could see that rule if the SS turning 2 was in danger of being nailed by the runner, but Melky was nowhere near 2nd when Aybar threw to first. No reason he couldn't have grazed the bag there, not that it matters now..

No time to change the "rule," though, if that's some kind of standard procedure.

[DCfreak]

This game has been absolutely amazing.

[COTA]

Woo! Thank god Damon has a shitty arm.

[StandMyBrothers]

don't worry, Fuentes is going to Lidge this game.

[Drew Beringer]

Chone!

[SilenceBrokenTT]

FUCK YES.

Let's keep this lead.



ps. sup Figgy, nice of you to show up.

[Robb]

Well, that's a good time to get your first hit.

[Drew Beringer]

don't worry, Fuentes is going to Lidge this game.
That's why the Angels need one more run, so that after A-Rod leads off the bottom half with a solo shot off Fuentes they'll still have the lead hah

[dignan]

take that you bronx bitches!

[tommyishere]

what ever happened to Wilson Betemit?

and bernie williams!

[SilenceBrokenTT]

Angels still have Santana for bullpen too...

[aloneatlastnj]

lol come on man, I may not post in here anymore, but at least give me that much credit.

I mean, I guess I could see that rule if the SS turning 2 was in danger of being nailed by the runner, but Melky was nowhere near 2nd when Aybar threw to first. No reason he couldn't have grazed the bag there, not that it matters now..

No time to change the "rule," though, if that's some kind of standard procedure.

haha my bad. i took you pretty literally when you asked what the rule was hahaha. and yes, i definitely agree with you about aybar having a chance to make sure he at least tapped the bag. at this point in the post season they need to be consistent and i must say it took a mighty big pair for the ump to make the call. but again, if you're aybar - a supposedly very defensively sound shortstop - you make the play correctly EVERY time just in case. now's especially not the time to skimp out on playing fundamentally sound baseball.

in any case, doesn't matter now since they got out of it unharmed.

[StandMyBrothers]

That's why the Angels need one more run, so that after A-Rod leads off the bottom half with a solo shot off Fuentes they'll still have the lead hah
this is 95 percent likely to happen.

[DCfreak]

I love how this game seems to be New York vs the rest of the USA in this thread.

[aloneatlastnj]

what ever happened to Wilson Betemit?

traded to chicago for nick swisher. once gordon beckham emerged as the superior player they DFA'd betemit and he hadn't received any job offer the rest of the season.

[aloneatlastnj]

I love how this game seems to be New York vs the rest of the USA in this thread.

that's usually how it is around here. at least that's how it always seems being a yankees fan hahaha. i guess the yankees can never do anything right because they have the resources to not only put together a highly competitive team (and maintain an 'unfair advantage' over the rest of major league baseball) but cover/recover for/from their mistakes.

[StandMyBrothers]

Yankees=Chelski.

[DCfreak]

Rofl

[jay_klinkhammer]

A-Rod

[StandMyBrothers]

did me and Drew call it or what.

[J.C.]

rinky dink fucking ballpark

[Drew Beringer]

CALLED IT!!!

x

[COTA]

Well you guys all called it, A-Roid with the home run.

[aloneatlastnj]

That's why the Angels need one more run, so that after A-Rod leads off the bottom half with a solo shot off Fuentes they'll still have the lead hah

LOL

x

[SilenceBrokenTT]

lol

[Drew Beringer]

haha Brian Fuentes hahahha

[Drew Beringer]

LOL

x
That homer is my highlight of the year just because I called it haha

[StandMyBrothers]

who do the Yankees have in their bullpen left?

[deadstar]

Yankee Stadium home run?

[Drew Beringer]

who do the Yankees have in their bullpen left?
Gaudin maybe?

[SilenceBrokenTT]

I really don't know what to say... I still have confidence, as my Disney Angels Avatar has been a good luck one since I changed it to that months ago, so hopefully it can bring some good luck to them in the rest of the game/series/playoffs. Course, I could've just jinxed it, since this is the first time I've said anything about it, so yeah... either way, fuck A-Rod. And fuck Fuentes...

[StandMyBrothers]

everyone knows Fuentes sucks. should just let Jepsen close.

[jay_klinkhammer]

Someone end this. I need to go self medicate.

[aloneatlastnj]

who do the Yankees have in their bullpen left?

chad gaudin, david robertson, damaso marte

[a nice person]

i wonder how many people predicted a-rod's homerun. i know that i was one of them.

[QuikTrig]

at least the uninformed arguments about arod choking in the playoffs will be less abundant.

[aloneatlastnj]

at least the uninformed arguments about arod choking in the playoffs will be less abundant.

mm hmm. i mean, the numbers he put up during the regular season are typical a-rod, but from watching this guy the last 6 years he's an all around different guy. just unbelievable.

[eman83]

mm hmm. i mean, the numbers he put up during the regular season are typical a-rod, but from watching this guy the last 6 years he's an all around different guy. just unbelievable.

I blame Kate Hudson.

[Drew Beringer]

Hudons has been conjuring up her Almost Famous magic for A-Rod this October.

[deadstar]

Matthews has looked downright awful in his at bats tonight. Missed that bad hanging curveball by a ton.

[aloneatlastnj]

Hudons has been conjuring up her Almost Famous magic for A-Rod this October.

whatever works!


also, reallyyy don't understand that IBB to izturis to pitch to son of sarge.

[A7XXX]

This game is so intense. Any chance for a rain delay?

[aloneatlastnj]

This game is so intense. Any chance for a rain delay?

ummmm...it's 12:30 AM here and the 'travel day' tomorrow with big time commitments by FOX to other programming. no way they're delaying this game.

[Drew Beringer]

I understand it's a righty vs righty, but why in the world would you pitch around Tex to face the hottest postseason hitter in A-Rod?

[Drew Beringer]

well never mind then ha

[aloneatlastnj]

I understand it's a righty vs righty, but why in the world would you pitch around Tex to face the hottest postseason hitter in A-Rod?

hope he chokes.

[COTA]

That's why.

[a nice person]

we can't hold them back forever. we need a run here.

[deadstar]

Cano really needs to get in front of that.

[A7XXX]

3 errors from Yankees? Never would've expected that.

[aloneatlastnj]

3 errors from Yankees? Never would've expected that.

it DOES happen you know. especially with the slick conditions and playing for over 5 hours..

[deadstar]

The bat looks like it weighs 20 lbs when Vlad is swinging.

[A7XXX]

Finally.