bonds ties the babe

[xearlynovemberx]

thoughts?

[Adeniz19]

it's about fucking time.

he crushed that ball

[wessa]

please lets not start another bonds thread

[ActorInThisPlay]

YESSSSSS!!!!!!! about fucking time.

[FallingOut]

Shouldnt even be recognized. What an arrogant cheating bastard.

[itsjdiggity]

boo this man

[ActorInThisPlay]

boo this man
boo the dodgers!

[Chriz2z]

I want to see the HR. Good for Barry Bonds, although he's one of my most hated players. Even if he took steroids, he still has to hit the ball, which he has.

Edit: Dang it! Brad Halsey had to give it up... he is one of my favorite players.

[FondestMemory]

yay!!!!!!

that's my thoughts.

[sweethypocrisy]

heres to hoping he doesnt hit 715*

[Brownpants06]

lets go bonds

[apoemtothedead]

sweet. I know the kid who caught it.

[I am all talk]

heres to hoping he doesnt hit 715*
here is to hoping you find another lame joke

[I am all talk]

swee. I know the kid who caught it.

fixed

[yodaplaysdrums]

Thde difference between Bonds and Babe however is that Babe did it with beer and hotdogs. while Bonds did it with performance enhancing drugs. Even if Bonds gets 715+ everyone will know that Babe was still better.

[apoemtothedead]

Thde difference between Bonds and Babe however is that Babe did it with beer and hotdogs. while Bonds did it with performance enhancing drugs. Even if Bonds gets 715+ everyone will know that Babe was still better.
A better hitter, yes.

[imirish06]

Thde difference between Bonds and Babe however is that Babe did it with beer and hotdogs. while Bonds did it with performance enhancing drugs. Even if Bonds gets 715+ everyone will know that Babe was still better.


Steal Philly fan signs much?


Babe Ruth was an alcoholic who fucked 16 year olds. He is just as much a disgrace to the game of baseball as Bonds.


There are people taking steroids in Major League baseball that hit 10 hrs a year at best.


Back in the day of Ruth teams also only used 2 pitchers. Fatigued pitches? I believe so.

Steroids don't do everything for you. Whether you're taking them or not you still have to put in a tremendous amount of effort in your lifting program and diet to see good results from them.

Out of the 714 home runs Bonds hit. I would go on to say that 10-15% of that can be contributed to the steroids.

[kidinthecorner]

A better hitter, yes.
Does Bonds move in the field? I don't watch much baseball, but no one ever mentions him making a defensive play. Ever.

[kidinthecorner]

Steal Philly fan signs much?


Babe Ruth was an alcoholic who fucked 16 year olds. He is just as much a disgrace to the game of baseball as Bonds.


There are people taking steroids in Major League baseball that hit 10 hrs a year at best.


Back in the day of Ruth teams also only used 2 pitchers. Fatigued pitches? I believe so.

Steroids don't do everything for you. Whether you're taking them or not you still have to put in a tremendous amount of effort in your lifting program and diet to see good results from them.

Out of the 714 home runs Bonds hit. I would go on to say that 10-15% of that can be contributed to the steroids.Back in the day, the pitchers were better, because only 2 or so were a pitcher per team. Now the talent is so spread out. Also, a lot of parks weren't tiny. They also played fewer games. Stats like these don't mean anything.

[I am all talk]

Does Bonds move in the field? I don't watch much baseball, but no one ever mentions him making a defensive play. Ever.
besides 8 gold gloves in 9 years? No.

[apoemtothedead]

Does Bonds move in the field? I don't watch much baseball, but no one ever mentions him making a defensive play. Ever.
He used to.

[imirish06]

Back in the day, the pitchers were better, because only 2 or so were a pitcher per team. Now the talent is so spread out. Also, a lot of parks weren't tiny. They also played fewer games. Stats like these don't mean anything.

How were they better?

And regardless of the talent or not. When your team only has 2 pitchers you're CONSTANTLY pitching. Your pitchers are no where near as effective as they would with a few days rest

[I am all talk]

Back in the day, the pitchers were better, because only 2 or so were a pitcher per team. Now the talent is so spread out. Also, a lot of parks weren't tiny. They also played fewer games. Stats like these don't mean anything.
I would hardly say that the pitchers were better. The talent pool was much, much smaller. They did have larger ballparks but there were also no foreign players. Look at the latin influence in baseball today. Look at the asian influence. Besides the fact that pitchers know how to take care of themselves better and for a talented pitcher a 20 year career would be the norm (Maddux, Clemmens, etc.), they are able to maintain that high level of competition throughout their career.

[leftstranded]

you still have to hit the baseball in a good spot in order to get it over the fence, and roids can't do that.

i'm not going to hate on bonds for anything he does because that means i would have to hate the other 1,000 people in baseball that did roids as well. i hope he breaks it beacuse in 30 years when we're telling our grandkids about him, i can say i remember watching him do it.

[hockey0001]

good. Now hopefully after a couple days we wont have to hear about Barry Bonds anymore for a while

[imirish06]

Steroids are to males who do it half assed as plastic tits are to fat females.


Big tits or not, if you're fat your fat and your new tits aren't goign to help you.

Roids or not, if you eat shitty, lift shitty, and play baseball shitty... roids aren't going to help you.

[I am all talk]

you still have to hit the baseball in a good spot in order to get it over the fence, and roids can't do that.

i'm not going to hate on bonds for anything he does because that means i would have to hate the other 1,000 people in baseball that did roids as well. i hope he breaks it beacuse in 30 years when we're telling our grandkids about him, i can say i remember watching him do it.
i agree with your last statement. I almost wish Bonds never hit 73 that one year because the McGwire - Sosa chasing Maris season could have been that defining moment in baseball for our generation. But as soon as he hit 73 the 61 seemed much more mortal than it did in the mid 90s. I think we are going to associate ourselves with the red sox beating the yankees after being down 0-3 and breaking the curse than we will with any of these home runs.

[preppyak]

Thde difference between Bonds and Babe however is that Babe did it with beer and hotdogs. while Bonds did it with performance enhancing drugs. Even if Bonds gets 715+ everyone will know that Babe was still better.
Steal Philly fan signs much?


haha, knew you'd be all over that one

[mikeford]

Steroids are to males who do it half assed as plastic tits are to fat females.


Big tits or not, if you're fat your fat and your new tits aren't goign to help you.

Roids or not, if you eat shitty, lift shitty, and play baseball shitty... roids aren't going to help you.

EXCEPT FAKE TITS ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL YOU FUCKING DOLT



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moron.

[kidinthecorner]

EXCEPT FAKE TITS ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL YOU FUCKING DOLT



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moron.
Illegal tits?

[yodaplaysdrums]

Steal Philly fan signs much?
That's exactly where I got that quote from. Saw it one morning on the crappy channel 5 coverage we get in the UK.

[Brownpants06]

he doesnt deserve it..he's a cheater

very original

[imirish06]

EXCEPT FAKE TITS ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL YOU FUCKING DOLT



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moron.

Moron? I know, I know. You catched the episode of MTV's "True Life: I'm On Steroids." And you know your shit, right?

No

People fear what they do not know. Roids are ostrisized by society because hardly anybody understands them. And since in America it is socially acceptable to be a lazy soft fatass I think there's also a lot of folks who have been drinking their hatorade. Steroids are way more benign than so many other legal threats to society. Pizza will always help kill more people than roids will ever, year after year. If it's legal to be fat, it should be legal to juice.

The only two guaranteed side effects of steroids are an increase in LDL (low density lipids AKA "bad cholesterol") and a decrease in natural testosterone production. Both are bad, but not nearly as bad as smoking, drinking, and eating fast foods and the effects those come with. The only argument I acknowledge against steroids is the potential threat roid rage can have on society. If some meathead kicks the shit out of a 3 year old..yeah, we've got a problem. In the grand scheme of things though it's no different than a drunk driver killing a kid.

The bottom line is as much of an ass as Bonds is, he trained the hardest, had the most talent, had the best drugs, and applied it to his profession. He is the result of 75 years of athletic evolution. Want to throw in the arguement "Well the Babe didn't juice"?? That's like saying Jesus didn't have the internet. IT WASNT INVENTED YET!

The Babe drank heavily before games and fucked 16 year olds. Ty Cobb would also sharpen his cleats and decline room and board with non-whites.

They're both a lot more legit to hold the records of baseball than Bonds because they didn't take roids right? I mean surely being a pedophile or going out of your way to bring injury to others and being a racist asshole is so much more pure and right than a guy who doesn't like the media and takes something to better at a job he's contracted to do and provide paying customers with what they want to see.


Drugs and cheating are and always will be part of professional sports. Don't believe me? Befriend a professional trainer of any minor league, major league, whateaver league team and ask them how openly steroid use is discussed.

Remember Shoeless Joe and the Blacksox scandal?!

Corruption will be involved in sports as long as there are fortunes to play for. If you can't accept that, then stop watching sports and shut the fuck up.

[tambo41187]

Moron? I know, I know. You catched the episode of MTV's "True Life: I'm On Steroids." And you know your shit, right?

No

People fear what they do not know. Roids are ostrisized by society because hardly anybody understands them. And since in America it is socially acceptable to be a lazy soft fatass I think there's also a lot of folks who have been drinking their hatorade. Steroids are way more benign than so many other legal threats to society. Pizza will always help kill more people than roids will ever, year after year. If it's legal to be fat, it should be legal to juice.

The only two guaranteed side effects of steroids are an increase in LDL (low density lipids AKA "bad cholesterol") and a decrease in natural testosterone production. Both are bad, but not nearly as bad as smoking, drinking, and eating fast foods and the effects those come with. The only argument I acknowledge against steroids is the potential threat roid rage can have on society. If some meathead kicks the shit out of a 3 year old..yeah, we've got a problem. In the grand scheme of things though it's no different than a drunk driver killing a kid.

The bottom line is as much of an ass as Bonds is, he trained the hardest, had the most talent, had the best drugs, and applied it to his profession. He is the result of 75 years of athletic evolution. Want to throw in the arguement "Well the Babe didn't juice"?? That's like saying Jesus didn't have the internet. IT WASNT INVENTED YET!

The Babe drank heavily before games and fucked 16 year olds. Ty Cobb would also sharpen his cleats and decline room and board with non-whites.

They're both a lot more legit to hold the records of baseball than Bonds because they didn't take roids right? I mean surely being a pedophile or going out of your way to bring injury to others and being a racist asshole is so much more pure and right than a guy who doesn't like the media and takes something to better at a job he's contracted to do and provide paying customers with what they want to see.


Drugs and cheating are and always will be part of professional sports. Don't believe me? Befriend a professional trainer of any minor league, major league, whateaver league team and ask them how openly steroid use is discussed.

Remember Shoeless Joe and the Blacksox scandal?!

Corruption will be involved in sports as long as there are fortunes to play for. If you can't accept that, then stop watching sports and shut the fuck up.
So you like take steroids then....

[imirish06]

So you like take steroids then....

You're right.


It's not because I have an immense interest in human anatomy, nutrition, biomechanics, physiology, endocrinology, and neuropsychology and strive to know everything and anything I can about it.

It's obviously because I take them.

[Brownpants06]

You're right.


It's not because I have an immense interest in human anatomy, nutrition, biomechanics, physiology, endocrinology, and neuropsychology and strive to know everything and anything I can about it.

It's obviously because I take them.


CHEATER

[imirish06]

CHEATER

Oh yeah!?!

:guitar:

[Brownpants06]

Indeed.

I actually hope Bonds beats the record. Although I doubt it at this point.

[tambo41187]

You're right.


It's not because I have an immense interest in human anatomy, nutrition, biomechanics, physiology, endocrinology, and neuropsychology and strive to know everything and anything I can about it.

It's obviously because I take them.
ya thats what i thought.

[mikeford]

uh dude. you compared fake boobs to taking steroids. that qualifies you as a moron. you see, fake tits are legal. steroids are illegal. perhaps you missed that law.

[imirish06]

uh dude. you compared fake boobs to taking steroids. that qualifies you as a moron. you see, fake tits are legal. steroids are illegal. perhaps you missed that law.

I compared them because they're both means of enhancing ones physical apperance.

I compared them because they both require certain qualities for them to be truely effective.


It wasn't a comparison of what's legal or not. I was comparing the idea that if you're an ugly girl or a fat girl. Fake tits aren't going to help you and you will still look like shit.


If you don't eat right and lift right, steroids aren't going to help you and you're still going to look like shit. And If you're a bad baseball player, steroids aren't going to help you either.

[sweethypocrisy]

I compared them because they're both means of enhancing ones physical apperance.

I compared them because they both require certain qualities for them to be truely effective.


It wasn't a comparison of what's legal or not. I was comparing the idea that if you're an ugly girl or a fat girl. Fake tits aren't going to help you and you will still look like shit.


If you don't eat right and lift right, steroids aren't going to help you and you're still going to look like shit. And If you're a bad baseball player, steroids aren't going to help you either.
no fucking shit. steroids dont make muscles appear on you, you have to lift and they make more muscle than you normally would make naturally and legally.

[fromwithin]

I compared them because they're both means of enhancing ones physical apperance.

I compared them because they both require certain qualities for them to be truely effective.


It wasn't a comparison of what's legal or not. I was comparing the idea that if you're an ugly girl or a fat girl. Fake tits aren't going to help you and you will still look like shit.


If you don't eat right and lift right, steroids aren't going to help you and you're still going to look like shit. And If you're a bad baseball player, steroids aren't going to help you either.

Yeah and the FACT is that Bonds didn't want to be "just another player in the game". He didnt want to take a backseat to Sosa and Mcgwire, so he used all means necessary (legal or not) to reach his "goal".


It really doesnt matter anyway, baseball has gone so downhill the past twenty years its ridiculous. Most of you dont remember when COMPLETE GAMES were thrown by pitchers on a regular basis. Nowadays all they can usually last is six innings. With all the scandals, cheating, and illegal stuff going on, it truly has become "America's game" because the country mirrors it perfectly.


Lie, cheat, steal - the American way.

[preppyak]

no fucking shit. steroids dont make muscles appear on you, you have to lift and they make more muscle than you normally would make naturally and legally. right...and I think his point is that Bond's is still a good baseball player...perhaps still one of the best.

Granted he may not have passed Ruth without steroids, but he'd still be a hall of famer probably regardless...since he has all the natural ability to be a great player, and he chose to enhance it (assumingly) with steroids.

It's actually a shame he chose to use steroids...because he could have been a great player without them...but not with the same spotlight

[mikeford]

barry was a hall of famer before steroids. basically anyone without their head up their ass acknowledges this.

that said, that doesnt make him any less of a cheating douchebag

[imirish06]

no fucking shit. steroids dont make muscles appear on you, you have to lift and they make more muscle than you normally would make naturally and legally.


And like I said. If you're not good, steroids aren't going to make you good.


I absolutely can not WAIT until the new testing and what not kick in.

It's going to be so hilarious to watch the reactions of people when they're "shocked" to see that a player they liked did steroids.

If people want to take steroids, let them take steroids. It really is no big deal.


The bottom line is Bonds was getting old. Fans don't pay to see old people play that can hardly do anything more and Owners don't want them around either.

I mean if you were getting old an passed up by younger players, wouldn't you be a bit angry? Especially if you enjoyed years and years of success at such a high level.

You can call it cheating and you can call it whatever you want but he keeps fans interested in the game and it puts money in the bank.

Hate him or love him you're going to pay to see him. He's not even going to be around long enough to break the ACTUAL record. I'm just glad he'll pass someone who was more of a disgrace to the game than he was.

[mikeford]

oh fucking please. like having a DISEASE like alcoholism makes babe ruth a worse dude than barry bonds. fucking give me a break.

ruth had many faults but he also set up and contributed to a bunch of charities, mostly for KIDS

what has bonds ever done for ANYONE?

During World War II, Ruth did some charity work for the Red Cross, and bought over $100,000 in war bonds himself.

[apoemtothedead]

sweet. I know the kid who caught it.
dude, that's awesome. sleep with me?

[ActorInThisPlay]

yeah imirish is pretty much owning this argument. he is the only one coming up with anything to back up his arguments.

[LostSymphonies]

fuck barry bonds, he doesnt deserve shit

[ActorInThisPlay]

oh fucking please. like having a DISEASE like alcoholism makes babe ruth a worse dude than barry bonds. fucking give me a break.

ruth had many faults but he also set up and contributed to a bunch of charities, mostly for KIDS

what has bonds ever done for ANYONE?

During World War II, Ruth did some charity work for the Red Cross, and bought over $100,000 in war bonds himself.
http://allstarz.hollywood.com/barrybonds/charity.htm

[apoemtothedead]

http://allstarz.hollywood.com/barrybonds/charity.htm
Not to discredit what he's done charity wise, but 100K then and 100K now are way different.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Not to discredit what he's done charity wise, but 100K then and 100K now are way different.
he has given 100k to more then 1 charity...

[imirish06]

oh fucking please. like having a DISEASE like alcoholism makes babe ruth a worse dude than barry bonds. fucking give me a break.

ruth had many faults but he also set up and contributed to a bunch of charities, mostly for KIDS

what has bonds ever done for ANYONE?

During World War II, Ruth did some charity work for the Red Cross, and bought over $100,000 in war bonds himself.

Disease? Do you know ANYTHING about the history of Babe Ruth? One of the main reasons Ruth drank so much alcohol because he thought it enhanced his performance.
Or!

OR!

Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that Ruth got sick from trying to inject himself with sheep testes extract? You do know why he and a few other players of that era did that right? Of course you don't.

There was belief in the 1920's that injecting yourself with sheep or monkey glands will help with healing and strength(hrrm I wonder what steroids and HGH do?). It's also considered by some to be the grounding of the idea of using chemicals to enhances performance in sports. Had actual steroids been around back in that ERA, Ruth would've had an IV of the shit.

[bigmike]

i wish he'd just hit 715 so that will be the last thread on bonds unless he gets a career ending injury.

[lightcollapse]

dude, people take steroids way too seriously.

bonds is an asshole.

he's a great player.

he's still an asshole.

/thread.

[apoemtothedead]

he has given 100k to more then 1 charity...
is it like 6 or 7?

[Jason Tate]

Steal Philly fan signs much?


Babe Ruth was an alcoholic who fucked 16 year olds. He is just as much a disgrace to the game of baseball as Bonds.


There are people taking steroids in Major League baseball that hit 10 hrs a year at best.


Back in the day of Ruth teams also only used 2 pitchers. Fatigued pitches? I believe so.

Steroids don't do everything for you. Whether you're taking them or not you still have to put in a tremendous amount of effort in your lifting program and diet to see good results from them.

Out of the 714 home runs Bonds hit. I would go on to say that 10-15% of that can be contributed to the steroids.

if .1% of his homers wre due to steroids he doesn't deserve the record.

[Jason Tate]

Steroids are to males who do it half assed as plastic tits are to fat females.


Big tits or not, if you're fat your fat and your new tits aren't goign to help you.

Roids or not, if you eat shitty, lift shitty, and play baseball shitty... roids aren't going to help you.

So might as well just make them legal then, who the fuck cares!?

Apologist bullshit. Get your tainted records and drug acceptance out of America's past time. It's a disgrace to the game, and to you as a fan, that you allow this to happen and over look the signficance it has on the "sport" itself.

[bigmike]

he has given 100k to more then 1 charity...
good. he should be. he's making what? 18 MILLION dollars. that's like me giving $10 to a homeless dude and using it to boost my charitable cred. weak sauce.

[gilatron5000]

I'm really ambivalent about the record, I just think it sucks he beat the A's tying it.

[imirish06]

So might as well just make them legal then, who the fuck cares!?

Apologist bullshit. Get your tainted records and drug acceptance out of America's past time. It's a disgrace to the game, and to you as a fan, that you allow this to happen and over look the signficance it has on the "sport" itself.


Might as well? Steroids nearly aren't as bad as some of the other shit out there that's legal.

Tainted records and drug acceptance out of America's past time?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Baseball was ALWAYS filled with tainted records and cheating.

The infamous "shine" pitch, corking bats, stealing signs, vasoline, greenys, sand paper, tacks, want me to go on? The Hall Of Fame is filled with cheaters and assholes.

I guess Barry also never hit any of those 714 off of pitchers that took steroids either?

As far as "signficance" goes. It's been over close to 20 or so years now that steroids have been fluent in baseball and known of by owners.

They don't care. Home run chases and long balls bring fans to the park and put money in their pockets. Like I said before, there will always be corruption where there are fortunes to be made. Don't like it? Don't watch the sport.

[Jason Tate]

Might as well? Steroids nearly aren't as bad as some of the other shit out there that's legal.

Tainted records and drug acceptance out of America's past time?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Baseball was ALWAYS filled with tainted records and cheating.

The infamous "shine" pitch, corking bats, stealing signs, vasoline, greenys, sand paper, tacks, want me to go on? The Hall Of Fame is filled with cheaters and assholes.

I guess Barry also never hit any of those 714 off of pitchers that took steroids either?

As far as "signficance" goes. It's been over close to 20 or so years now that steroids have been fluent in baseball and known of by owners.

They don't care. Home run chases and long balls bring fans to the park and put money in their pockets. Like I said before, there will always be corruption where there are fortunes to be made. Don't like it? Don't watch the sport.

I won't watch the sport any more.

And I'll teach my kids that Barry Bonds doesn't deserve any of the acolades he ends up with.

If you cheat and you get caught, and are still allowed to make millions and break records - then there is no reason to have any sort of rules to begin with - and the "sport" will eat itself from the inside.

The "fans" that allow this to happen (read: you) are what blow my mind.

[gilatron5000]

The "fans" that allow this to happen (read: you) are what blow my mind.I don't think the fans can do much, sure, they can watch, and continue to, but that's because the game is still just that, a game. If there's anyone to blame, I would blame the Player's Union, or the owners for letting it go on.

[imirish06]

I won't watch the sport any more.

And I'll teach my kids that Barry Bonds doesn't deserve any of the acolades he ends up with.

If you cheat and you get caught, and are still allowed to make millions and break records - then there is no reason to have any sort of rules to begin with - and the "sport" will eat itself from the inside.

The "fans" that allow this to happen (read: you) are what blow my mind.


Professional sports will never be pure my friend. Is it a shame? Sure it is, but it's impurity is something that has been around for ages and there is really nothing anyone can do about it other than accept it and move on. Regardless of the form of corruption.

Not crediting Barry for what he has acheived is not going to stop anyone from using steroids if they want to use them. There is always going to be someone willing to step into the spotlight.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I think it is hilarious how people have such a huge cow over steroids in baseball whereas when people like Michael Irvin get caught multiple times for possession of cocaine, people don't flip out half as much. some players get accused of murder, assault, etc. and hardly anyone gives two shits about it. sorry but i would much rather have someone take steroids then cocaine. people need to seriously get over it. yeah it sux, yeah it shouldn't happen, yeah something needs to be done about it, but I will reiterate what I have been saying for the past however many months. Bonds has never been tested positive for illegal steroid use. end of story.

[imirish06]

I think it is hilarious how people have such a huge cow over steroids in baseball whereas when people like Michael Irvin get caught multiple times for possession of cocaine, people don't flip out half as much. some players get accused of murder, assault, etc. and hardly anyone gives two shits about it. sorry but i would much rather have someone take steroids then cocaine. people need to seriously get over it. yeah it sux, yeah it shouldn't happen, yeah something needs to be done about it, but I will reiterate what I have been saying for the past however many months. Bonds has never been tested positive for illegal steroid use. end of story.


Speaking of Drug use and sports stars... ever read LT's autobiography?

Motherfucker used to punch holes through walls because he didn't want to use a door lol

[Jason Tate]

Professional sports will never be pure my friend. Is it a shame? Sure it is, but it's impurity is something that has been around for ages and there is really nothing anyone can do about it other than accept it and move on. Regardless of the form of corruption.

Not crediting Barry for what he has acheived is not going to stop anyone from using steroids if they want to use them. There is always going to be someone willing to step into the spotlight.
And if they're caught - they should be punished, not rewarded. Pure and simple.

[dai the flu]

first off, how is using performance enhancing drugs 'cheating' when anybody could have done it, it wasnt against the rules?
and second of all, since when do we bring moral character into sports debates? babe ruth was an alcoholic abusive asshole, does anyone care? ty cobb was the biggest bastard the sport has ever seen, and nobody cares, they still celebrate his accomplishments....so why barry?
i love how people are so quick to jump on the 'i hate bonds' bandwagon when they really have no basis for it.

[FondestMemory]

And if they're caught - they should be punished, not rewarded. Pure and simple.

he's never been caught. he's never failed a drug test.

he admitted to unknowingly taking steroids. and what he took wasn't even considered an illegal steroid at the time.

and even that information only became available when a grand jury testimony leaked. and as an american citizen, i think the fact that a grand jury testimony can get leaked to the press is a much bigger issue to be more concerned over than how many homeruns somebody hits.

[fedhed7]

Some of the most retarded comments I've ever seen on this website have occured in this thread.

Bonds does not deserve this record, at all. Sure he's a great player, but he pales in comparison to Babe Ruth.

Ruth, if he stayed pitching, probably would have gone into the hall of fame as a pitcher. He was that good. Imagine if Babe Ruth lived in our time and took steroids throughout. He'd probably hit around 1000 home runs.

[mikeford]

Disease? Do you know ANYTHING about the history of Babe Ruth? One of the main reasons Ruth drank so much alcohol because he thought it enhanced his performance.
Or!

OR!

Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that Ruth got sick from trying to inject himself with sheep testes extract? You do know why he and a few other players of that era did that right? Of course you don't.

There was belief in the 1920's that injecting yourself with sheep or monkey glands will help with healing and strength(hrrm I wonder what steroids and HGH do?). It's also considered by some to be the grounding of the idea of using chemicals to enhances performance in sports. Had actual steroids been around back in that ERA, Ruth would've had an IV of the shit.

alcoholism is a disease, dumbass. its pretty clear babe ruth was an alcoholic. just cuz hes a dumbass and thought drinking helped his game doesnt make the disease any less valid.

i'd also like to see where you got all this "sheep testes" info before i believe a word of it.

[imirish06]

alcoholism is a disease, dumbass. its pretty clear babe ruth was an alcoholic. just cuz hes a dumbass and thought drinking helped his game doesnt make the disease any less valid.

i'd also like to see where you got all this "sheep testes" info before i believe a word of it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/opinion/main1603177.shtml

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/brinkley.html

That's right, alcoholism can be a disease. Still doesn't change the fact that Babey Boy ruth did WHATEVER was available at the time if there was a belief that it would enhance his performance.

Anyway you spin it, him and Bonds are no different.

BuT OmG!! R0idz R IllEgAl So ThAt MeAnS iTs ChEaTiNG!?!/ LOZLFFF

Illegal or not, they're readily available to anyone who wishes to use them in the major leagues and very very few players are going to complain about you using them. How is it an unfair advantage if everyone is welcomed to them? Just as sheep testes and whatever else Ruth took was available to those who called for it.

Steroids are and always will be stigmitized by a society filled with dumbasses like you and quite a few others who post here who couldn't tell the difference between Turinabol and Creatine. A society that would rather receive their information from sports center or mtv rather than actually research it themselves. You're no more intelligent on the matter than my mom who complains and "worries" about me because of the fact that I take Flax Seed and Fish oil pills.

I could give two shits if Barry breaks records or not. I'm just so sick of the stupid bullshit that has been spread over the last two years and sick of the bullshit being putted around because he's about to move a head of a guy who was a definition of a scumbag with piles and piles of faults that were made public but generally ignored because America adored him.

If Barry was media and fan friendly this hardly would even be news

[imirish06]

Some of the most retarded comments I've ever seen on this website have occured in this thread.

Bonds does not deserve this record, at all. Sure he's a great player, but he pales in comparison to Babe Ruth.

Ruth, if he stayed pitching, probably would have gone into the hall of fame as a pitcher. He was that good. Imagine if Babe Ruth lived in our time and took steroids throughout. He'd probably hit around 1000 home runs.


Wow man, you sold me.

You're so good in proving a point.

[sweethypocrisy]

taking steroids in any way is cheating, why cant people understand this? doing cocaine doesnt enhance your performance, and you arent a cheater for doing it, you are just an idiot.

[imirish06]

taking steroids in any way is cheating, why cant people understand this? doing cocaine doesnt enhance your performance, and you arent a cheater for doing it, you are just an idiot.


Oh yeah?

How come it used to be quite common for people in South America to use cocaine for centuries to increase physical endurance and work efficiency?

Last time I checked, cocaine was a stimulant

Last time I checked stimulants are used to increase energy, alertness, and agressiveness.

[ActorInThisPlay]

taking steroids in any way is cheating, why cant people understand this? doing cocaine doesnt enhance your performance, and you arent a cheater for doing it, you are just an idiot.
hahahaha....wow, simply wow

[lightcollapse]

taking steroids in any way is cheating, why cant people understand this? doing cocaine doesnt enhance your performance, and you arent a cheater for doing it, you are just an idiot.

between this thread and the 9/11 thread, seriously dude. you need to stop.

[hockey0001]

If Barry was media and fan friendly this hardly would even be news

Exactly. But since Bonds is an asshole the steroid issue is something that he can be attacked for. If Bonds wasnt an asshole this wouldnt be nearly as big of a deal

[weezer182]

hahahaha....wow, simply wowhahaha

[mikeford]

is this dude serious? you seriously think steroids are healthy? okay dude. whatever you say. have fun with tiny balls.

[ActorInThisPlay]

is this dude serious? you seriously think steroids are healthy? okay dude. whatever you say. have fun with tiny balls.
i don't believe he ever said they were "healthy" to use but that they were simply not as bad as a lot of people are making them out to be.

[Jesse2]

Moron? I know, I know. You catched the episode of MTV's "True Life: I'm On Steroids." And you know your shit, right?

No



you had me at... "you catched"

[Vincewithouthee]

Bonds sucks and he's the biggest prick in sports.

He can SMD.

[bigmike]

i hate this entire thread almost as much as I hate watching bonds play. these threads are ridiculous. I hope he hits 715 tomorrow just so we can rehash this entire thing for the 382 time and then it can stop for a long while. christ.

[imirish06]

is this dude serious? you seriously think steroids are healthy? okay dude. whatever you say. have fun with tiny balls.


read what I post before making an idiot out of yourself. you know, the post I made about the two and ONLY two side effects that are pretty much a lock from steroid use.

the post that explains that more people die and have much harsher side effects from food, alcohol, being a lazy fat fuck, etc..

the ending part of your sentence explains how ignorant you are on steroids and it only further proves my point that you know jack shit on the subject and really need to stop making yourself sound like an idiot.

[imirish06]

all and all

it's a shame that ken griffey jr.s name isnt the name being mentioned as the guy who tied ruth.

how many hr's did he have in that 5 year span before he started having injury problems......250?

[tambo41187]

all and all

it's a shame that ken griffey jr.s name isnt the name being mentioned as the guy who tied ruth.

how many hr's did he have in that 5 year span before he started having injury problems......250?
I agree with that.
i hate this entire thread almost as much as I hate watching bonds play. these threads are ridiculous. I hope he hits 715 tomorrow just so we can rehash this entire thing for the 382 time and then it can stop for a long while. christ.
word.

[Doug]

after reading almost this whole thread...

who's the moron saying that teams had two pitchers when ruth was playing??? there were 5 man rotations back then

go to baseball-reference.com and look at any team from the 20's for proof.

also less teams=better talent

[imirish06]

after reading almost this whole thread...

who's the moron saying that teams had two pitchers when ruth was playing??? there were 5 man rotations back then

go to baseball-reference.com and look at any team from the 20's for proof.

also less teams=better talent

In this article, we will examine some of the statistical breakouts of those 713 long balls and compare them to Ruth's 714. Many of the differences are simply a sign of how the game has changed in 80 years, with many new teams and a different treatment of starting pitchers among the changes. When Ruth played, there were 8 teams in each league so there were fewer pitchers to face during a season. Also, a starting pitcher was expected to work much further into the game than starters do now, so a batter might only face two hurlers in a contest. Now it is common to have three or four pitchers work in one inning. (http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/05/barry_bonds_hom_1.php)


Less teams better talent eh?

Let me ask you this. How much of an advantage did Ruth have in only having to face white pitchers? You can not tell me that isn't a factor. Especially with greats back then like Satchel Page

[Doug]

In this article, we will examine some of the statistical breakouts of those 713 long balls and compare them to Ruth's 714. Many of the differences are simply a sign of how the game has changed in 80 years, with many new teams and a different treatment of starting pitchers among the changes. When Ruth played, there were 8 teams in each league so there were fewer pitchers to face during a season. Also, a starting pitcher was expected to work much further into the game than starters do now, so a batter might only face two hurlers in a contest. Now it is common to have three or four pitchers work in one inning. (http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/05/barry_bonds_hom_1.php)


Less teams better talent eh?

Let me ask you this. How much of an advantage did Ruth have in only having to face white pitchers? You can not tell me that isn't a factor. Especially with greats back then like Satchel Page

ok, fine, let's take away the great black pitchers of today.

alright so dontrelle willis. and uh, uh, uh, ummm, c.c. sabathia?

[preppyak]

ok, fine, let's take away the great black pitchers of today.

alright so dontrelle willis. and uh, uh, uh, ummm, c.c. sabathia?
and this may be me not knowing early days baseball...but make that "non-white" and not black...and your point is straight fucked.

[imirish06]

ok, fine, let's take away the great black pitchers of today.

alright so dontrelle willis. and uh, uh, uh, ummm, c.c. sabathia?

It's not just blacks my brother. All races

[Doug]

it was a joke bro

[preppyak]

it was a joke bro
haha...yeah, the tone of this thread got really serious in the last 3 or so pages...it went right past me.

[imirish06]

well you know what?


that SI for kids in your sig was my first over due library book.

I still didn't take it back.

[Doug]

haha...yeah, the tone of this thread got really serious in the last 3 or so pages...it went right past me.

cool?

[histrionics22]

BuT OmG!! R0idz R IllEgAl So ThAt MeAnS iTs ChEaTiNG!?!/ LOZLFFF

Illegal or not, they're readily available to anyone who wishes to use them in the major leagues and very very few players are going to complain about you using them.

If Barry was media and fan friendly this hardly would even be news

Illegal.

Many players would complain. I really think you're underestimating that.

Umm Rafeal Plameiro anyone? The guy was one of the most beloved sports figures in baseball and all-around good guysin the game. He cant even find a job now.

How can you say steroids don't make you better? Building muscle mass doesn't make you better? They dont turn warning track outs into 400 ft home runs? The dont turn Jeremy Giambi, normally a career minor leaguer, into a bench player at the major league level? This argument is ridiculous.

[sweethypocrisy]

between this thread and the 9/11 thread, seriously dude. you need to stop.
besides me being wrong about cocaine apparently, what have a said wrong in this thread?

and about the 911 thread, im sorry you are ignorant.

[imirish06]

Illegal.

Many players would complain. I really think you're underestimating that.

Umm Rafeal Plameiro anyone? The guy was one of the most beloved sports figures in baseball and all-around good guysin the game. He cant even find a job now.

How can you say steroids don't make you better? Building muscle mass doesn't make you better? They dont turn warning track outs into 400 ft home runs? The dont turn Jeremy Giambi, normally a career minor leaguer, into a bench player at the major league level? This argument is ridiculous.

No, I think you highly underestimate how much steroid use is spread and accepted in professional sports. And like I said before, so none of Barry's 714 HR's were off of Pitchers that were juiced up?

What about the minor leaguers and career pine riders that are takign steroids and having no where near the success as Barry?

You're right. Increased muscle mass in legs and forearms will increase bat speed and put a number on the ball if you get a hold of it.

Increased muscle mass is not going to give you one of the most sweetest and sound swings in baseball, or help you recognize what pitches you can hit.

Regardless of how "super human" steroids are, they're not going to magically turn you into a great athlete. Not in baseball. There are doctors that will tell you this. Baseball requires so much more than strength. It's not professional body building. And FYI, The Mr. Olympia contest doesn't require testing for steroids. So that goes to show you how much they care about it's use in that field.

Honestly, this is all so trivial though. He will pass Ruth, that he will do. He's not going to break the actual record though, I don't believe he has enough left in him.

[histrionics22]

No, I think you highly underestimate how much steroid use is spread and accepted in professional sports. And like I said before, so none of Barry's 714 HR's were off of Pitchers that were juiced up?

What about the minor leaguers and career pine riders that are takign steroids and having no where near the success as Barry?

You're right. Increased muscle mass in legs and forearms will increase bat speed and put a number on the ball if you get a hold of it.

Increased muscle mass is not going to give you one of the most sweetest and sound swings in baseball, or help you recognize what pitches you can hit.

Regardless of how "super human" steroids are, they're not going to magically turn you into a great athlete. Not in baseball. There are doctors that will tell you this. Baseball requires so much more than strength. It's not professional body building. And FYI, The Mr. Olympia contest doesn't require testing for steroids. So that goes to show you how much they care about it's use in that field.

Honestly, this is all so trivial though. He will pass Ruth, that he will do. He's not going to break the actual record though, I don't believe he has enough left in him.

Pitchers taking steroids would limit flexibility of the arms and likely slow down pitchers.

No kidding it takes natural ability to make it to the majors. No one denies Bonds was a Hall of Famer without enhancement. A Hall of Famer taking steroids makes him one of the bets hitters to play the game.

No one said steroids make you superhuman. Guys in the minors taking steroids are doing it to make up for their lack of natural ability or talent. A guy like Bonds is taking steroids to make him superhuman.

As for someone saying Bonds is better than Ruth, let's not forget Ruth was a pitcher too. A dominating one at that.

[dai the flu]

if strength is all it takes, and steroids made barry hit all those homeruns, then how come every meathead 400 pound bodybuilder that can bench press a volkswagon isnt breaking home run records?

[ActorInThisPlay]

i find it strange and unfair that no one is even questioning Pujols right now.

[histrionics22]

if strength is all it takes, and steroids made barry hit all those homeruns, then how come every meathead 400 pound bodybuilder that can bench press a volkswagon isnt breaking home run records?

For the last time. NO ONE IS SAYING STRENGTH IS ALL IT TAKES. Most everyone agrees he was a great player before steroids. The enhancements just made him one of the best hitters.

[Jesse2]

i find it strange and unfair that no one is even questioning Pujols right now.

hahaha, that's classic.

[imirish06]

Pitchers taking steroids would limit flexibility of the arms and likely slow down pitchers.

No kidding it takes natural ability to make it to the majors. No one denies Bonds was a Hall of Famer without enhancement. A Hall of Famer taking steroids makes him one of the bets hitters to play the game.

No one said steroids make you superhuman. Guys in the minors taking steroids are doing it to make up for their lack of natural ability or talent. A guy like Bonds is taking steroids to make him superhuman.

As for someone saying Bonds is better than Ruth, let's not forget Ruth was a pitcher too. A dominating one at that.

Are you saying it will limit flexibility due to the steroids? Or to the weight training?

And IMHO I think his pitching skills were the brightest he had.

[imirish06]

i find it strange and unfair that no one is even questioning Pujols right now.


hahahah I often think about it. I believe he has a lot more lee way though being that he's pretty young yet and his HGH levels are high enough right now to reap the positives of a good nutrition and exercise program.

[Broken Parachute]

Now you guys can go watch Albert Pujols..he's doing some pretty amazing things.

[mikeford]

Pujols is just the second coming of Jesus. except he said fuck religion I'm gonna play baseball.

[Broken Parachute]

Yeah I heard there was a new movie coming out.."The Selig Code." It's supposed to be devoted to trying to crack the puzzling code of trying to pitch and strike out Pujols.

[ActorInThisPlay]

i think it would be hilarious if Pujols was found out to be doing some sort of steroids or Human Growth Hormones. People wouldn't know what to do.

[Broken Parachute]

i think it would be hilarious if Pujols was found out to be doing some sort of steroids or Human Growth Hormones. People wouldn't know what to do.

Hahaha

"Pujols wouldn't have done that...I BET BONDS INJECTED HIM WITH IT! BLAME BONDS!"

[mikeford]

im pretty sure people would know what to do.

boo him.

[Adeniz19]

im pretty sure people would know what to do.

boo him.mcguire didnt get booed

[mikeford]

no one knew he was on the juice at the time.

id sure as hell boo his ass now. and if he gets HOF'd, ill boo my tv during the ceremony.

sheffield and giambi get boo'd and heckled unmercilessly in boston for the steroids shit... cant vouch for anywhere else but i know at least in boston we certainly dont let any of this bullshit slide and im willing to bet if someone on the sox was found guilty of steroid use the public outcry against that person would be deafening.

[imirish06]

Speaking of heckling.

Here is a list of the top 7 venues that gave Bonds shit this year:

7. Milwaukee. Sedate, barely showed a pulse. Although it was the field where Bonds was knocked loopy by a batting practice foul ball. (The batter, Kevin Frandsen, is now in the minors, by the way).

• 6. Colorado. Altitude makes it difficult for fans to get worked up about much of anything.

• 5. Los Angeles. Appropriate Bonds-hating zeal, but it was only a two-game series.

• 4. Arizona. Brought the goods in the opener, but tailed off thereafter.

• 3. San Diego. The first road series for Bonds gave us possibly the greatest single moment, as a disgruntled fan tossed a plastic syringe onto the field.

• 2. Houston. Close the roof, turn up the volume and make us proud. Also, we like any sign that subsitutes a syringe for the number 1.

• 1. Philadelphia. Phillies fans are going to be hard to top. They’ve built a cottage industry around hating Bonds, including t-shirt sales, and a guy selling foam “cheater” syringes.

deadspin is an amazing site.
http://www.deadspin.com/sports/barry-bonds/index.php

[Broken Parachute]

I have tickets for when Bonds comes to NY, but I'm going to a wedding that day..man I totally would have shit on Bonds.

[LeftWideOpen]

i think it would be hilarious if Pujols was found out to be doing some sort of steroids or Human Growth Hormones. People wouldn't know what to do.

yes they would. they'd boo him and consider hit stats virtually meaningless.

i don't really know what it takes for bonds supporters to comprehend this point, because i feel as though it's what keeps this discussion going in circles ...but people turned against bonds when the grand jury testimony leaked.

He had his detractors before then because of attitude issues, but the majority of American celebrated when he broke the HR records. It took his own admissions, whether the public was made aware legally or not, for the backlash against him to begin. He's only fostered it with his behavior.

Nobody has an agenda against Bonds... Nobody is making this personal .. The guy admitted to taking steroids, unknowingly or not, and that's the reason this backlash exists.

So please, before you lecture me on the effects of steroids or the legality of grand jury testimony being leaked ...save your breath. It's besides the point. Bonds admitted to taking steroids and all the anger and spite directed towards him surfaced after that fact.

[ActorInThisPlay]

yes they would. they'd boo him and consider hit stats virtually meaningless.

i don't really know what it takes for bonds supporters to comprehend this point, because i feel as though it's what keeps this discussion going in circles ...but people turned against bonds when the grand jury testimony leaked.

He had his detractors before then because of attitude issues, but the majority of American celebrated when he broke the HR records. It took his own admissions, whether the public was made aware legally or not, for the backlash against him to begin. He's only fostered it with his behavior.

Nobody has an agenda against Bonds... Nobody is making this personal .. The guy admitted to taking steroids, unknowingly or not, and that's the reason this backlash exists.

So please, before you lecture me on the effects of steroids or the legality of grand jury testimony being leaked ...save your breath. It's besides the point. Bonds admitted to taking steroids and all the anger and spite directed towards him surfaced after that fact.
whatever, I doubt Pujols would get half as much shit as Bonds does now.

[Rock]

imirish06 - your arguments don't make any sense, brosef. please take a moment to read on while i dissect all of this crap you call arguments.

And since in America it is socially acceptable to be a lazy soft fatass I think there's also a lot of folks who have been drinking their hatorade. Steroids are way more benign than so many other legal threats to society. Pizza will always help kill more people than roids will ever, year after year. If it's legal to be fat, it should be legal to juice.
how can you actually type this crap and believe it? "if it's legal to be fat, it should be legal to juice." repeat that a few times out loud, and listen to how stupid that sounds. that makes the least sense out of anything you've posted in this thread. there is just simply no comparison. not all people that are fat have become fat as a result of something they personally have done.

The only two guaranteed side effects of steroids are an increase in LDL (low density lipids AKA "bad cholesterol") and a decrease in natural testosterone production. Both are bad, but not nearly as bad as smoking, drinking, and eating fast foods and the effects those come with. The only argument I acknowledge against steroids is the potential threat roid rage can have on society. If some meathead kicks the shit out of a 3 year old..yeah, we've got a problem. In the grand scheme of things though it's no different than a drunk driver killing a kid.
it seems to me that many of your arguments are based around this principle of steroids "not being as bad as" this or that. this isn't an issue of what's more or less bad than other substances. it doesn't matter how knowledgable you are about steroids. i don't know much about steroids, but i do know this: steroids were and are illegal in the sport in question when bonds took them. that's all that matters. he cheated, end of story. i don't know why that's so hard for you to understand. he used steroids to gain an unfair advantage over other players, and as a result, he doesn't deserve any records or recognition for his "accomplishments."

The bottom line is as much of an ass as Bonds is, he trained the hardest, had the most talent, had the best drugs, and applied it to his profession. He is the result of 75 years of athletic evolution. Want to throw in the arguement "Well the Babe didn't juice"?? That's like saying Jesus didn't have the internet. IT WASNT INVENTED YET!
so you're saying that we can all sit here and assume that if steroids were around in Ruth's era, he definitely would have taken them?


The Babe drank heavily before games and fucked 16 year olds. Ty Cobb would also sharpen his cleats and decline room and board with non-whites.

They're both a lot more legit to hold the records of baseball than Bonds because they didn't take roids right? I mean surely being a pedophile or going out of your way to bring injury to others and being a racist asshole is so much more pure and right than a guy who doesn't like the media and takes something to better at a job he's contracted to do and provide paying customers with what they want to see.
none of this is even relevant. it doesn't matter what kind of person Ruth, Bond or any other athletes are. all that matters is how they've performed and whether or not they used an illegal substance to unfairly enhance their performance in their perspective sport.

Drugs and cheating are and always will be part of professional sports. Don't believe me? Befriend a professional trainer of any minor league, major league, whateaver league team and ask them how openly steroid use is discussed.

Remember Shoeless Joe and the Blacksox scandal?!

Corruption will be involved in sports as long as there are fortunes to play for. If you can't accept that, then stop watching sports and shut the fuck up.
another terrible argument. basically, you're trying to justify corruption and the violation of the bylaws of professional sports - everything that is wrong with professional sports. i don't see how you can even try to do that. steroids are specifically outlawed in MLB. that means they're ILLEGAL, no matter what you, i, or any of the players think of it. that makes it wrong, no matter how you feel. you're an idiot, and i'm glad that you're A. not an athlete and B. not a part of any judiciary committee, board, or in any other place of power within any professional sports organizations.

[asianxcore]

go barry

[imirish06]

how can you actually type this crap and believe it? "if it's legal to be fat, it should be legal to juice." repeat that a few times out loud, and listen to how stupid that sounds. that makes the least sense out of anything you've posted in this thread. there is just simply no comparison. not all people that are fat have become fat as a result of something they personally have done.


You're right champ, not all people that are fat have become fat as a result of something they've personally have done. However, regardless of what bullshit you want to spew out. America's epidemic in obesity isn't the result of mostly people with hypothyroidism, pcos, cushings syndrome, and whatever other fat gaining linked disease. It's the result of a country that continuely caters to fat people. It's a result of a country that accepts being fat, not exercising, not eating right, and generally not caring for their health. There is a reason why there are 4 boxes of twinkies on sale at your local grocery store for $3 and I'm paying $6 for a loaf of bread. Obesity will always kill and harm more people than Steroids. Don't believe me? Take up some courses and do the research yourself.


it seems to me that many of your arguments are based around this principle of steroids "not being as bad as" this or that. this isn't an issue of what's more or less bad than other substances. it doesn't matter how knowledgable you are about steroids. i don't know much about steroids, but i do know this: steroids were and are illegal in the sport in question when bonds took them. that's all that matters. he cheated, end of story. i don't know why that's so hard for you to understand. he used steroids to gain an unfair advantage over other players, and as a result, he doesn't deserve any records or recognition for his "accomplishments."


When every person is booted from the Hall Of Fame that has used unfair tactics to gain advantages over other players, then I'll accept the fact that he's a dirt rotten asshole that doesn't deserve a thing he's acheived.


so you're saying that we can all sit here and assume that if steroids were around in Ruth's era, he definitely would have taken them?


I'm not much of a betting man but if Ruth went as far as injecting himself with testosterone from sheep, I'd like to be that Ruth would surely welcome steroids. Infact, had that sheep test thing actual work, Babe Ruth would've pretty much done NO different than what Barry has done by shooting himself up with HGH. You know, the shit that caused his head to grow to a size 9 and something something.


none of this is even relevant. it doesn't matter what kind of person Ruth, Bond or any other athletes are. all that matters is how they've performed and whether or not they used an illegal substance to unfairly enhance their performance in their perspective sport.


Illegal or not, if it's unfair it's going to be unfair. And like I've said before, there are quite a few people in the Hall Of Fame that had no trouble with cheating.



another terrible argument. basically, you're trying to justify corruption and the violation of the bylaws of professional sports - everything that is wrong with professional sports. i don't see how you can even try to do that. steroids are specifically outlawed in MLB. that means they're ILLEGAL, no matter what you, i, or any of the players think of it. that makes it wrong, no matter how you feel. you're an idiot, and i'm glad that you're A. not an athlete and B. not a part of any judiciary committee, board, or in any other place of power within any professional sports organizations.

It's not justifying anything cupcake. It's accepting the fact that corruption is in all sports and is never going away. Why cry and complain about it? The game has and will continue to survive.

[LeftWideOpen]

whatever, I doubt Pujols would get half as much shit as Bonds does now.

haha, if Pujols tested positive America would be shocked and then angry. Pujols would be the subject of plenty of scorn, just like Bonds is.

If you remember, when the reports leaked of Bonds steroid use back when he testified in the BALCO case, it wasnt immediately "cheater! i hate barry!" ....people were shocked and it took time for the news to really sink in. It took time before people began to turn against Barry and the same would certainly happen w/ Pujols, or any other star who wound up testing positive (hello Palmeiro).

[mikeford]

i think this dude has roid rage.

[imirish06]

Except for Chase Utley.

He has a smile that would hypnotize America into still loving him.







..

[asianxcore]

haha, if Pujols tested positive America would be shocked and then angry. Pujols would be the subject of plenty of scorn, just like Bonds is..
I dont believe bonds tested positive

[LeftWideOpen]

I dont believe bonds tested positive

whoever said he did? read my whole posts, thanks.

[bigmike]

haha, if Pujols tested positive America would be shocked and then angry. Pujols would be the subject of plenty of scorn, just like Bonds is.

If you remember, when the reports leaked of Bonds steroid use back when he testified in the BALCO case, it wasnt immediately "cheater! i hate barry!" ....people were shocked and it took time for the news to really sink in. It took time before people began to turn against Barry and the same would certainly happen w/ Pujols, or any other star who wound up testing positive (hello Palmeiro).
I don't think pujols would get as much shit as barry gets. he get's alot because of his perception and the way he handles and has handled himself in the media, which gives him negative connotations. Pujols, has been nothing but humble and quiet.

[dai the flu]

not to resurrect this again, but after reading a little bit of 'game of shadows', ive changed my mind about barry. i was wrong. he is a douchebag. and i really didnt know how extensive the evidence was that he took steroids, other than his increased size.

[Brownpants06]

Since we're talking about Bonds, I thought I'd say I think this is the most rediculous article I have ever read on ESPN.com. What a joke of a columnist.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/060512

[asianxcore]

Since we're talking about Bonds, I thought I'd say I think this is the most rediculous article I have ever read on ESPN.com. What a joke of a columnist.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/060512
agreed/

[bigmike]

Since we're talking about Bonds, I thought I'd say I think this is the most rediculous article I have ever read on ESPN.com. What a joke of a columnist.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/060512
Ridiculous*

big pet peeve of mine.