best emo guitarist?

[Rock]

your thoughts?

[BattleofHeroes]

depends what kinda of emo style ur going for, but dan hoerner from sunny day real estate is sweet, and john nolan owned the emo-punk genre on the first tbs cd...and obv tom delonge, tho not the greatest guitarist, is the biggest guitar icon (ava might be considered emo, i dunno)

[iHATEapril]

depends what kinda of emo style ur going for, but dan hoerner from sunny day real estate is sweet, and john nolan owned the emo-punk genre on the first tbs cd...and obv tom delonge, tho not the greatest guitarist, is the biggest guitar icon (ava might be considered emo, i dunno)

I'd call AVA Arena Rock.

[OMGzzBreakdownz]

I'd call them gay.

[x togepi x]

depends what kinda of emo style ur going for, but dan hoerner from sunny day real estate is sweet, and john nolan owned the emo-punk genre on the first tbs cd...and obv tom delonge, tho not the greatest guitarist, is the biggest guitar icon (ava might be considered emo, i dunno)

emo is punk....so John Nolan did not own the emo-punk genre.

I like TBS, i'm just saying.

The guys from Hot Cross probably take that title.

[OMGzzBreakdownz]

emo is punk....so John Nolan did not own the emo-punk genre.

I like TBS, i'm just saying.

The guys from Hot Cross probably take that title.



I agree. Hot Cross is very good.

[BreakerBreaker]

emo is punk....so John Nolan did not own the emo-punk genre.

I like TBS, i'm just saying.

The guys from Hot Cross probably take that title.

=] I was just gonna say Casey Boland.

[BoMbSqUaD]

Hands down in my mind, Tom from The Fall of Troy.

[ticklemyfancy]

Hands down in my mind, Tom from The Fall of Troy.

tfot isnt emo

[BoMbSqUaD]

They're progressive/hardcore, but at points where he's actually singing, i'd call them emo...and their lyrics are emo for sure.

[OMGzzBreakdownz]

fall of troy is progressive hardcore


duh


so still hot cross

emo violence

[BreakerBreaker]

Old Hot Cross fo sho. The two guitarists (Josh and Casey) had the sickest resume: You & I, Neil Perry, The Now, and Joshua Fit for Battle. Throw Collars to the Wind and Better A Corpse Than A Nun are so damn catchy.

[beatin_hearts]

saetia? or is that screamo? fuck this genre shit, but saetia owns

[x togepi x]

fuck this genre shit, but saetia owns

Yeah, after reading an argument on the other hardcore/emo forum I go to, I'm convinced that screamo isn't really a genre that's distinguishable from emo. and that saetia rocks hard.

[Ilovepoprock]

Hands down in my mind, Tom from The Fall of Troy.

just because he plkays technical SOUNDing stuff doesnt make him the best. Recreating that sound is so easy any half good guitarist could play adn your dumb. Just jumbling up every song with over the top guitar riffs doesnt maek you good....

[x togepi x]

Do you play guitar?

The fall of troy is awesome. Trying playing their riffs, I'm better than "half-good" at guitar, and I can't play their stuff. Besides, you're ignoring the amount that they improv in concert. I'm pretty sure their improvisation is going to make their guitar player way better than anyone you can throw out there.

[Ilovepoprock]

improvisation isnt special if you have experience and know what scale and key to play in. FAll of troy is not special, and how would you know what i can and can not play? your completely false statement makes any good arguement you could have coem up with completely void, because we all know your stupid...

[x togepi x]

I didn't say "improv makes them special" i said "THEIR improv" makes them special. They're not just wanking around one scale in concert.

I never implied you sucked at guitar or anything. So you're right. I have no idea what you can and cannot play. But, i do know what I can, and I can't play FoT stuff. and like i said I'm half decent".

your complete inability to spell "argument" and "come" pretty much make everything you just said sound even more stupid.

seriously, back your shit up. name me an emo guitarist better than them.

(yeah guys, i know they're probably not really emo, but I don't think he can do it)

[Ilovepoprock]

there's a fine line between typos and mispelles...if that's a word. takign back sunday guy, or brand new guy. dont know their actual names. perhaps not mroe technical, but better all the same. being a good guitarist isn't being able to write the most technical bad ass sounding riff, or improv a crazy solo. Being a good guitarist is defined by being inventive and bringing the emotion in music to life, by expressing it through your guitar...:)

[x togepi x]

You look like a moron when you call someone stupid and make a bunch of typos.

Taking Back Sunday and Brand New are not inventive. I have never listened to a TBS song and said "wow...that guitar really makes me feel something." That's where the lyrics come in. But, I'm sure that FoT can play TBS and BN songs. I can, and as I already admitted, I can't play FoT.

[Ilovepoprock]

yes they can play them, there are probably millions of people all over the world who can play FOT and TBS and BN, but can they write it? no. that is where the talent comes in...

[x togepi x]

I used to write songs that sound like BN/TBS before they came out and I don't consider myself a talented guitar player.

Most of TBS/BN's chord progressions are fairly common. the reason why people like these two bands is because of their lyrical content and how the band sounds as a whole, not because the guitar players are bad asses.

[Ilovepoprock]

nobody likes a band just because of a guitarist, they like the band as a whole. And as guitarist The guys from brand new or TBS compliment the band better, thus contributing to make them better the FOT....

[x togepi x]

Nobody likes a band because of a guitarist?

the ONLY reason i like fall of troy is because of their guitar playing. if they had a different guitar player, I'd probably think they were just another generic scene band.

Are you honestly going to tell me that people who play generic chord progressions are better than Fall of Troy?

[Ilovepoprock]

im honestly gonna tell you that your generalizations are false.

[Nick Lopez]

Dude...Fred <<<<<<<< Thom

[x togepi x]

what generalization have I made?
Was it the one that said people don't like TBS/BN for their guitars? you backed that up by saying that nobody likes any band for their guitar playing.

Remember, this is the thread where the first post i made said that I liked TBS. I've pretty much worn out my copy of Tell All You Friends...but just because I like them, doesn't mean I won't admit that they're not better guitar players than FoT.

[Ilovepoprock]

the generalization you made is that brand new and TBS only play generic chord progressions...

[x togepi x]

they do. name me a song in which the chord progression is not generic.

[Ilovepoprock]

haha, "generic" is subjective. as is this argument.

[x togepi x]

fine. replace generic with "commonly used"

[Ilovepoprock]

guernica

[x togepi x]

both the chorus and bridge are all power chords.

and the verses go like this:

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
B|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
G|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
D|-----------------------------------------------7-7-5-5-4-4h5-5-5---------------------------------|
A|---------------------------------5-5-5-5-5-5-5---------------------------------------------------|
E|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0---------------------------------3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-|

E|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
B|---------------3-------3/5-5-5-5---------------------------------------------------------|
G|---------0---0-----0---------------------------------------------------------------------|
D|-------4---4---------4-------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|-2/3-3-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| that isn't very innovative.

[dbarker02]

Don't mention Taking Back Sunday and Saetia/Hot Cross in the same thread.:(

[Ilovepoprock]

tableture off internet sites cant be trusted. they are posted by anyonre who wants to.

[x togepi x]

so what do you want me to do, post mp3s of the songs?

it's not like there are Fall of Troy tab books tabbed about by the band that I can get.

[BreakerBreaker]

The Fall of Troy is not a good band, but they can play their instruments well.

[x togepi x]

I can see that... even though I think they rock.

[BreakerBreaker]

I was never really into them and then I saw them live, turned me off completely.

[Ilovepoprock]

i think fall of troy is a really good band with a good but uninteresting guitarist.

[BacktoBasics]

And I think after I taught a monkey power chords, it could play "I will play my game beneath the spin light". If you want to talk about TBS, Tell All Your Friends beat some ass, but then the talent left and now none of their MUSIC impresses me. Palm muted eighth note power chords get pretty old....it's the eighth notes! THE EIGHTH NOTES! THEY DRIVE ME CRAZY!

[Ilovepoprock]

tell all your friends is an amazing CD. and "i will play my game beneath the spin light" is an amazing song despite the guitar being simple...:)

[Love As Arson]

Dave Mello

[Jra1]

Hot Cross have already been mentioned...

personally i prefered Neil Perry tho, they're quite possibly my favourite band ever.

[clandestinerdc]

After the new album I'm SOOO surprised no ones mentioned Travis Steever and Claudio Sanchez from Coheed and Cambria who I consider progressive-emo.

[Rice and Bread]

hot cross ftw

[Ilovepoprock]

i dont think anyone here will acknowledge coheed as emo. but the guitar in that album is pretty sweet. there is a string orchestra tribute to that album, instrumental of course. its pretty bitchin

[crimsonXwedding]

back on fall of troy
toms a great guitarist, but his stuff really blurs together after 5 songs
can he play in any other key?

[x togepi x]

probably not.

[xvszero]

I don't think people consider Coheed and Cambria emo but they're pretty emo to me and they still manage to rock out the guitars.

Not many emo bands have guitarists worth speaking of. Not many that I've heard, anyway.

[riseagainst89]

I don't think people consider Coheed and Cambria emo but they're pretty emo to me and they still manage to rock out the guitars.

Not many emo bands have guitarists worth speaking of. Not many that I've heard, anyway.

that would probally be because you have never heard one emo band in your life.

though today i went all emo and listened to rites of spring-end on end,-embrace- embrace, hot cross-Cryonics... but hot cross just stands out so much there just fucking crazy.. not that i dont like embrace and rites of spring...

[x togepi x]

I do think coheed has good guitarists, but yeah they're not emo. i wish i could see them again, but they always tour with someone i absolutely loathe like avenged sevenfold

[RyanOfarrell]

coheed and cambria are overrated. i dont know who i would say the best is but i would say funeral for a friend are very talented. Rufio is good too but i wouldnt say they are the best.

[xvszero]

that would probally be because you have never heard one emo band in your life.

though today i went all emo and listened to rites of spring-end on end,-embrace- embrace, hot cross-Cryonics... but hot cross just stands out so much there just fucking crazy.. not that i dont like embrace and rites of spring...

I've heard emo from Rites of Spring to Get Up Kids to all the pop punk "emo" going on now. So before you talk, think, otherwise you'll end up with a cock in your mouth.

[x togepi x]

coheed and cambria are overrated. i dont know who i would say the best is but i would say funeral for a friend are very talented. Rufio is good too but i wouldnt say they are the best.

here's a tip if you're going to stick around this forum, if you're going to call a band overrated, please don't turn around and give props to horrible music like funeral for a friend.

[trainwreck89]

haha ive already been told that boysnightout is not emo but w/e. i have to go with jeff from bno as my fave. his riffs are amazing and dont sound like anything else. other guitarists i like are neil from silverstein and jack from bayside

[RyanOfarrell]

dont get me wrong...i like coheed and cambria...but i always hear how coheed and cambria are amazing at thier instraments and what not...but the truth is that everything that they play isnt that hard...and straight-up i like funeral for a friend

[Gumboots1128]

y has nobody mentioned mcr!?!?! omg whats wrong with you ppl?!?!? what about frank iero!?!? he is quite possibly the best guitarist EVER!!!

[merv the perv]

haha ive already been told that boysnightout is not emo but w/e. i have to go with jeff from bno as my fave. his riffs are amazing and dont sound like anything else. other guitarists i like are neil from silverstein and jack from bayside

Yeah, I'd probably say Jeff from BNO, or Teppei from Thrice if you're gonna call them emo.

[xvszero]

dont get me wrong...i like coheed and cambria...but i always hear how coheed and cambria are amazing at thier instraments and what not...but the truth is that everything that they play isnt that hard...and straight-up i like funeral for a friend

It's not that hard. But most the bands who sound anything like that don't play that "complicated", even though its not THAT hard. Don't ask me why.

Same with Rufio for that matter. Next to any B-level metal band their guitarists aren't anything, but for pop punk they really stand out. Slick Shoes too, well, except the albums Greg played guitar on.

[riseagainst89]

haahahah wtf rufio is not emo wtf there fucking pop punk.

[x togepi x]

but they covered that ones ong

DON'T YOU FORGET ABOUT ME
DON'T DON'T DON'T DON'T
DON'T YOU FORGET ABOUT ME

god i hate the 80s

[Murder*O*Murder]

AFI's guitarist. Without a doubt. I know that AFI has spanned over a couple of genres since they first came out, but I think they've settled in with emo of late. So, yeah. The guitarist from AFI, in my opinion, leads the pack.

[riseagainst89]

afi is not emo wtf you should die.

[mht]

the guitar harmonics on the new trophy scars cd is pretty bitching, i know they are like a cheap knock off of the blood brothers on some songs, but i like the guitar work. i know they arent that emo, but that fuck cries about girls on every song just about lol.

[Murder*O*Murder]

afi is not emo wtf you should die.

Are you guys not listening to music? The very definition of emo has changed since it's become more mainstream... Deal with it!

AFI used to be a solid horror punk band, of this I am aware. Now that they have gained success after a toned down, more melo-dramatic record with Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground, they fall under "emo". Done deal. Emo's not a bad thing, ladies and gentleman.

Anyway, you can't deny Jade. JADE.

[last light]

Are you guys not listening to music? The very definition of emo has changed since it's become more mainstream... Deal with it!

AFI used to be a solid horror punk band, of this I am aware. Now that they have gained success after a toned down, more melo-dramatic record with Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground, they fall under "emo". Done deal. Emo's not a bad thing, ladies and gentleman.

Anyway, you can't deny Jade. JADE.

hahaha wow you are dumb

[btbam > you]

Are you guys not listening to music? The very definition of emo has changed since it's become more mainstream... Deal with it!

AFI used to be a solid horror punk band, of this I am aware. Now that they have gained success after a toned down, more melo-dramatic record with Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground, they fall under "emo". Done deal. Emo's not a bad thing, ladies and gentleman.

Anyway, you can't deny Jade. JADE.

fuckin' christ kid.

[Rock]

haha. i had no idea all of this happened in my thread. the funny (or not so funny) thing is, i only created this thread as a parody of the "emo lyricist" thread. anyways, proceed.

there's a fine line between typos and mispelles...if that's a word. takign back sunday guy, or brand new guy. dont know their actual names. perhaps not mroe technical, but better all the same. being a good guitarist isn't being able to write the most technical bad ass sounding riff, or improv a crazy solo. Being a good guitarist is defined by being inventive and bringing the emotion in music to life, by expressing it through your guitar...:)
i hate reading your "arguments." they're all poorly constructed and are based almost entirely on subjectivity. please stop trying to begin or participate in discussions or arguments you know nothing about.

Are you guys not listening to music? The very definition of emo has changed since it's become more mainstream... Deal with it!

AFI used to be a solid horror punk band, of this I am aware. Now that they have gained success after a toned down, more melo-dramatic record with Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground, they fall under &quot;emo&quot;. Done deal. Emo's not a bad thing, ladies and gentleman.

Anyway, you can't deny Jade. JADE.
i love you.

[x togepi x]

The definitions of words don't change for lame trends. for emo to become what you say it is, we'd have to see this trend lasting for much much longer than it already has. Once again, read this thread (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=140443). it answers everyone of your arguments.

as per Jade, he got better but to say he's worth commending as the best "emo" guitarist, I laugh. If we're talking about what *we* personally consider emo, then I'm going to say Omar Rodrigez-Lopez from At The Drive-in flat out owns most of the people talked about in this thread.

[Scott Irvine]

Victor Villareal

[BreakerBreaker]

Victor Villareal

Best response yet.

[lilRIPsta]

wow, i dont even know what emo is anymore haha. but id say 100% Justin Beck from Glassjaw. He doesnt do solos, but his work compliments the music and Daryl's voice and he and Todd Weinstock played perfectly together.

[Murder*O*Murder]

You're going to have a pretty difficult time convincing anyone today that, the bands you don't consider "emo", aren't. There is a trend, yes, and that is how most people define bands... The punk/alternative genre has bled into "emo", whether for its own good or not. I'll argue this 'til the sun goes down... Like, I don't understand what the big deal is. :rolleyes:

[x togepi x]

you should argue it til your overused cliche in the thread I linked you to. it answers every single one of your stupid arguments.

I've convinced the scenest person I've ever met that their definition of emo isn't emo. You're just being stubborn. which is what you accused me of being.

but come on, I want the argument. I'm waiting on a phone call anyway.

[heyRomanticA__x]

You're going to have a pretty difficult time convincing anyone today that, the bands you don't consider "emo", aren't. There is a trend, yes, and that is how most people define bands... The punk/alternative genre has bled into "emo", whether for its own good or not. I'll argue this 'til the sun goes down... Like, I don't understand what the big deal is. :rolleyes:

You don't define bands by a "Trend"; that is how you define and call out bullshit. Trends are how you pacify the ignorant masses. What this music is now, is recycled teenage angst from major labels/50 year old men in suits. It is the same music that comes out every 5 years. They find some "pseudo underground icon" dress them up in some rebellious garb that the masses will eat up. Then they make a profit off it you, they rape you in the ass while you feed off of their bullshit. You buy in to their colorful "rebel" advertisements, buy their "rebel" clothes from Hot Topic/Pac Sun/AbercrombieMadeInChina, buy their "rebel" music and dance to it, all while they make a profit on being a "rebel". See how the system works? That is how you kill a viable subculture.

Think you still know what Emo is? You shouldn't, you've been fed a hose full of lies. Emo is Hardcore. Emo came from Punk. How the hell could it bleed in to the Punk genre then?


Why don't you go protest war and buy records from EMI. Better yet...buy something from Sony records back catalog. Then you can listen to it while you check your Myspace..I'm quite sure NewsCorp. would love to hear from you.

[x togepi x]

I have a myspace. i use it to talk to a girl.

but it's okay because I constantly talk about how much I love keith olbermann so it balances out.

[heyRomanticA__x]

I have a myspace. i use it to talk to a girl.

but it's okay because I constantly talk about how much I love keith olbermann so it balances out.

Olbermann? Ah come on, where's the love for Bill O'Reilly?

I actually went off topic in my last post. I have this way of ranting..and not about the current subject matter.

[x togepi x]

i only love newscasters that throw out bad puns while reporting.

your rant was great.

[Murder*O*Murder]

I don't buy my clothes from any of those places, actually... And you do recognize the similarities between punk and emo, then? We could argue that punk started with the Ramones, and emo with the Cure, really.

The war should be protested, too. We're not profiting from it... See the gas prices hiking up? That money's going into Bush's pocket and you're ok with that?

[Branevember31]

bill lugg

[heyRomanticA__x]

i only love newscasters that throw out bad puns while reporting.

your rant was great.

I only love newscasters that have a 52% chance of hitting on me.


I don't buy my clothes from any of those places, actually...

Then you don't deny the fact that you buy in to their "rebel" music?


We could argue that punk started with the Ramones, and emo with the Cure, really.

PUNK < HARDCORE < EMO So no you are wrong.


The war should be protested, too. We're not profiting from it... See the gas prices hiking up? That money's going into Bush's pocket and you're ok with that?

I am all for American's protesting whatever the hell they please, but until you understand the energy industry ( you know..gas..electricity..oil.. ) you should cancel that "anti Bush" rally you plan on going to.

[x togepi x]

I don't buy my clothes from any of those places, actually... And you do recognize the similarities between punk and emo, then? We could argue that punk started with the Ramones, and emo with the Cure, really.

You could argue that punk started with the Ramones, but that'd be wrong. and you could argue that emo started with the cure, but that would also be wrong since the cure aren't a hardcore band. The cure were post-punk. They have no connection to the emo scene because emo isn't this lame, psuedo-goth subculture that you think it is. Look up some rites of spring and husker du before talking about the roots of emo.


The war should be protested, too. We're not profiting from it... See the gas prices hiking up? That money's going into Bush's pocket and you're ok with that?

I think you missed her point. She's saying that the ways people protest the war are bland and inneffective because in protesting in this manner, you are propping up the very system you are supposedly against. In a way, she's right, but i think she should look up space hijacking and culture jamming before making such a broad statement?

[mrs.peterwentz]

Pete Wentz Of Fall Out Boy

[Branevember31]

hes not a guitarist...and...go away

[Burnout2888]

hes not a guitarist...and...go away
And FOB isn't emo. Isn't it bad what people have been fed from corporate these days?

To answer this question, I think the dude from Sunny Day is good. His stuff fits really, really well.

[heyRomanticA__x]

In a way, she's right, but i think she should look up space hijacking and culture jamming before making such a broad statement?

I see what you mean.


No Space, No Choice, No Jobs, and No Logo.

[abusedcat]

Jim Ward & Omar Rodriguez-Lopez from At The Drive-In.

[x togepi x]

I see what you mean.


No Space, No Choice, No Jobs, and No Logo.

great book.

[the thread]

You don't define bands by a "Trend"; that is how you define and call out bullshit. Trends are how you pacify the ignorant masses. What this music is now, is recycled teenage angst from major labels/50 year old men in suits. It is the same music that comes out every 5 years. They find some "pseudo underground icon" dress them up in some rebellious garb that the masses will eat up. Then they make a profit off it you, they rape you in the ass while you feed off of their bullshit. You buy in to their colorful "rebel" advertisements, buy their "rebel" clothes from Hot Topic/Pac Sun/AbercrombieMadeInChina, buy their "rebel" music and dance to it, all while they make a profit on being a "rebel". See how the system works? That is how you kill a viable subculture.

Think you still know what Emo is? You shouldn't, you've been fed a hose full of lies. Emo is Hardcore. Emo came from Punk. How the hell could it bleed in to the Punk genre then?


Why don't you go protest war and buy records from EMI. Better yet...buy something from Sony records back catalog. Then you can listen to it while you check your Myspace..I'm quite sure NewsCorp. would love to hear from you.

you are jesus.

you know, whenever someone mentions absolutepunk, i automatically associate it with shit. because from everything ive read on here, pretty much everyone has terrible misconceptions about the music they supposedly listen to. i honestly never saw much punk on here, just FOB and TBS threads and how "emo" and "punk" they were. but posts like this, and posters that do such, have actually restored my faith in the fact that there are people out there who actually do know what emo is. and that i could join a site like this and actually experience people who hold the same musical values i do. its refreshing.

what a relief.

[heyRomanticA__x]

Thanks.

Although Togepi is the epitome of jesus... (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=140443)

[the thread]

Thanks.

Although Togepi is the epitome of jesus... (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=140443)

reading both of your posts about emo really spurred me to join. so ig uess youre both jesuses in my book.