Your Politics are Boring as Fuck

[LucidStrike]

Reformists aren't punks. What the hell kind of punk has lengthy discussions about people like Glenn Beck that are anything but humor, a break from discussing relevant politics? Why the hell are there punks who don't know about protest summits until they happen to catch a clip of one on the news?! If you aren't a radical, please, cease referring to yourself as a punk. If you take issue with this, by all means, debate it.

Meh. (Mainstream) punk had been dead a while now anyways.

--New forum member, disappointed with the political atmosphere here, startin' trouble to pass the time =/

PS I didn't quote CrimethInc out of support. Fuck CrimethInc.

[yves.]

GOD. you are SO punk.

[LucidStrike]

GOD. you are SO punk.LOL. I normally respond to "That's not punk" comments like that, too, but damn. Since when was punk nothing but the music and fashion? Where's the counter-culture? Well, I know the counter-culture. The problem is that the punk counter-culture is just a sub-culture of the punk sub-culture. Punk itself should be counter cultural.

Keep in mind that the main point isn't about what techinally is and isn't punk. Shit, up until like 3-4 years ago, I only listened to Hip Hop and R&B, and (mainstream) Hip Hop is as bad off as punk is. I didn't grow up with punk, and I know only so much about the history. All I know is that I was attracted to punk because I thought it fought for something, that it wasn't just another distraction for the complacent masses. This actually is more about my disappointment than anything else. Lifestylism is stupid anyway.

No offense, but what I see from punk culture in general is not as relevant as I'd hoped. Just venting.

[GuitarR0cker1]

keep upin the punx bro.

[Machu505]

Rawk n role.

[thursday727]

Despite the name of the website, barely anyone here refers to themselves as punk.

[saysmydoctor]

....

[bladerdude360]

I love how at least one of these just pops up every few months, if not more often.

[Broclee]

El oh motherfucking el.

[loveisdead]

Despite the name of the website, barely anyone here refers to themselves as punk.
All that needs to be said.

[jmirand1]

Despite the name of the website, barely anyone here refers to themselves as punk.

SPEEK 4 URSELFF!!

[Josh Weinstein]

LOL. I normally respond to "That's not punk" comments like that, too, but damn. Since when was punk nothing but the music and fashion? Where's the counter-culture? Well, I know the counter-culture. The problem is that the punk counter-culture is just a sub-culture of the punk sub-culture. Punk itself should be counter cultural.

Keep in mind that the main point isn't about what techinally is and isn't punk. Shit, up until like 3-4 years ago, I only listened to Hip Hop and R&B, and (mainstream) Hip Hop is as bad off as punk is. I didn't grow up with punk, and I know only so much about the history. All I know is that I was attracted to punk because I thought it fought for something, that it wasn't just another distraction for the complacent masses. This actually is more about my disappointment than anything else. Lifestylism is stupid anyway.

No offense, but what I see from punk culture in general is not as relevant as I'd hoped. Just venting.

Outside of music, the culture of punk never accomplished anything. you can live in your own commune, point a middle finger at authority, and call your parents conformists. punk never went anywhere. I bet you preach anarchy. You're never going to go anywhere in life, buddy.

[LucidStrike]

Outside of music, the culture of punk never accomplished anything. you can live in your own commune, point a middle finger at authority, and call your parents conformists. punk never went anywhere. I bet you preach anarchy. You're never going to go anywhere in life, buddy.

I remember saying, "Lifestylism is stupid anyway." I don't "preach". I'd normally respond to that personal attack, but I feel like it'd be a waste of time. Call it a hunch. If you wanna engage in actual political discourse, do it. =/

[Josh Weinstein]

I remember saying, "Lifestylism is stupid anyway." I don't "preach". I'd normally respond to that personal attack, but I feel like it'd be a waste of time. Call it a hunch. If you wanna engage in actual political discourse, do it. =/

at least explain yourself in how you uphold punk attitudes in your own life. I admit I like to listen to punk music but adhere to conformist society and a capitalistic career.

[nerdvglc]

Despite the name of the website, barely anyone here refers to themselves as punk.
excuse me sir, but i'm super duper punk. for realzies.

anarchy prevail!

[crackedthesky]

Reformists aren't punks. What the hell kind of punk has lengthy discussions about people like Glenn Beck that are anything but humor, a break from discussing relevant politics? Why the hell are there punks who don't know about protest summits until they happen to catch a clip of one on the news?! If you aren't a radical, please, cease referring to yourself as a punk. If you take issue with this, by all means, debate it.

Meh. (Mainstream) punk had been dead a while now anyways.

--New forum member, disappointed with the political atmosphere here, startin' trouble to pass the time =/

PS I didn't quote CrimethInc out of support. Fuck CrimethInc.

If you disagree with the terminology of this site, then why don't you ignore it and go start your own site?
Punk is a genre of music first and your own personal definition of your own lifestyle second.
Why don't you go to one of these protests that apparently mean so much to you, instead of trolling around here? Let me guess, you're "punk" because you're arguing with strangers on the internet? By that definition, every fucking person on the planet is a punk.

[saysmydoctor]

Can this thread get locked or moved to Personal Life? This is fucking dumb.

[Nevuk]

I don't understand this thread. I'm an anarchist, but I have better things (like doing random drugs, pursuing harmful relationships, combing my knuckle hair) than paying attention to the majority of the things radicals focus on constantly. Protesting the g20 summit changes nothing. It's a meaningless act that they only participate in order to shirk their guilt from being products of an oppressive capitalist society. It's a false act that doesn't change anything, nothing more than a way to meet like-minded people. To manipulate emma goldman - if protesting really changed anything, it would be illegal. You aren't going to be able to act within the system to change it any significant way.

I'm going to say, if you take the attitude of the original post, you may as well participate in politics of the deed. I fully endorse that method, however I disdain to participate in it myself as it's usually not something that causes positive change.

edit : With that said, I'm actually willing to try protesting and other things I know are useless on the off-chance they do something, I'm just too fatalistically hopeless about everything to bother to drive a thousand miles to stand in a line and scream.

[trindaddy]

LOL. I normally respond to "That's not punk" comments like that, too, but damn. Since when was punk nothing but the music and fashion? Where's the counter-culture? Well, I know the counter-culture. The problem is that the punk counter-culture is just a sub-culture of the punk sub-culture. Punk itself should be counter cultural.

Keep in mind that the main point isn't about what techinally is and isn't punk. Shit, up until like 3-4 years ago, I only listened to Hip Hop and R&B, and (mainstream) Hip Hop is as bad off as punk is. I didn't grow up with punk, and I know only so much about the history. All I know is that I was attracted to punk because I thought it fought for something, that it wasn't just another distraction for the complacent masses. This actually is more about my disappointment than anything else. Lifestylism is stupid anyway.

No offense, but what I see from punk culture in general is not as relevant as I'd hoped. Just venting.


Maybe if you didn't have your head up your ass while you were dipping your toes into shitty music and pop culture while looking for hidden meanings to follow, you would have taken the time to read through some of these threads and realize a couple key points. Or maybe reading isn't punk enough for you as well.

A) Very few people here even claim to be remotely punk, or say that these boards are for "punk" political discussion. In fact, most of the users on this site wouldn't call themselves punk. It's just a name that stuck around far too long.This is for all general politics. Simple enough to realize if you can click and read as opposed to inane blathering.

B) You won't start any political revolution here. Most of the people here are already educated, and argue their side extremely well, while the rest get torn to pieces for spouting off shit they don't know. We'll see where you fall into. Nobody cares if their political views make them punk or not, they care that their views reflect their respective theologies, religious beliefs (if any), and their outlook of the future.

[wuduprod]

...is "lifestylism" a word?

[Praetor]

http://n3t.net/humor/fight_the_power.jpg

[.invisible ink.]

i have nothing to add to this thread except for telling you how my friend is the one that started Crimethinc. I knew him way back in the day. i'm so punk.

/sweetbrag

[iRabadgEr]

htehae

[Ferzaer]

well, it's kind of true that nowadays punk only showed by the fashion sense... and fighting for something? that's really rare though, at where i live in, there's hardly any thing or rights accomplished for the punk guys and girls out there. so,should punk get involve in politics so that they actually achieved something for their people... punk people? then again, will the politicians take them seriously? punk people look very bold though, always ready to stand up for themselves... in a fight.

[Regards]

LOL. I normally respond to "That's not punk" comments like that, too, but damn. Since when was punk nothing but the music and fashion? Where's the counter-culture? Well, I know the counter-culture. The problem is that the punk counter-culture is just a sub-culture of the punk sub-culture. Punk itself should be counter cultural.

Keep in mind that the main point isn't about what techinally is and isn't punk. Shit, up until like 3-4 years ago, I only listened to Hip Hop and R&B, and (mainstream) Hip Hop is as bad off as punk is. I didn't grow up with punk, and I know only so much about the history. All I know is that I was attracted to punk because I thought it fought for something, that it wasn't just another distraction for the complacent masses. This actually is more about my disappointment than anything else. Lifestylism is stupid anyway.

No offense, but what I see from punk culture in general is not as relevant as I'd hoped. Just venting.
I found the counter-culture!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IFKbbxeDOaE/R6FyKTRqvmI/AAAAAAAAAIg/AQs_HkJRHg4/s320/RISE%2BAGAINST%2B3%2BSSOTCC.jpg

[kwsqd]

So if you're really punk.. how was sex with your mom?!

[LucidStrike]

I love how at least one of these just pops up every few months, if not more often.Really? I assumed before I wrote this that it was gonna be like the 5th one today.

at least explain yourself in how you uphold punk attitudes in your own life. I admit I like to listen to punk music but adhere to conformist society and a capitalistic career.Meh. I listen to music, go to shows and shit, play a bit of guitar, write a few songs,and I'm an anarchist. I don't really care what punk is, to be honest. I'm just disappointed about what it isn't.

Why don't you go to one of these protests that apparently mean so much to you, instead of trolling around here?First off, summit protests only happen when there are summit mettings like the G20 or IMF. Second, I've not only been to summit protests but have been involved in organizing them. Third, summit hopping is pretty ineffective alone. Most importantly, my focus is community organizing, not protests.

I don't understand this thread. I'm an anarchist, but I have better things (like doing random drugs, pursuing harmful relationships, combing my knuckle hair) than paying attention to the majority of the things radicals focus on constantly. Protesting the g20 summit changes nothing. It's a meaningless act that they only participate in order to shirk their guilt from being products of an oppressive capitalist society. It's a false act that doesn't change anything, nothing more than a way to meet like-minded people. To manipulate emma goldman - if protesting really changed anything, it would be illegal. You aren't going to be able to act within the system to change it any significant way.

I'm going to say, if you take the attitude of the original post, you may as well participate in politics of the deed. I fully endorse that method, however I disdain to participate in it myself as it's usually not something that causes positive change.

edit : With that said, I'm actually willing to try protesting and other things I know are useless on the off-chance they do something, I'm just too fatalistically hopeless about everything to bother to drive a thousand miles to stand in a line and scream.All valid.The convergence model is weak. I pretty much only go to vent. It's the equivalent of a punk show, more or less.

Anyways, I'm more or less beyond my disappointment with punk now and this strange website now. Lifestylism's a crap shoot, and there's some valid criticism of anarchist culture's sometimes unhealthy relationship with punk anyway. Meh.

[Nevuk]

Meh. I listen to music, go to shows and shit, play a bit of guitar, write a few songs,and I'm an anarchist. I don't really care what punk is, to be honest. I'm just disappointed about what it isn't.

First off, summit protests only happen when there are summit mettings like the G20 or IMF. Second, I've not only been to summit protests but have been involved in organizing them. Third, summit hopping is pretty ineffective alone. Most importantly, my focus is community organizing, not protests.
Punk has never been more than a vague attitude. You're thinking of crass.

[LucidStrike]

Punk has never been more than a vague attitude. You're thinking of crass.Word. Anarcho-Punk always was just a torch in the darkness it seems.

[x togepi x]

what kind of "anarcho-punk" are you?

[LucidStrike]

I found the counter-culture!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IFKbbxeDOaE/R6FyKTRqvmI/AAAAAAAAAIg/AQs_HkJRHg4/s320/RISE%2BAGAINST%2B3%2BSSOTCC.jpgI was thinkin' about that the whole time. LOL. Rise Against is the shit.

[Broclee]

I found the counter-culture!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IFKbbxeDOaE/R6FyKTRqvmI/AAAAAAAAAIg/AQs_HkJRHg4/s320/RISE%2BAGAINST%2B3%2BSSOTCC.jpg
http://cla.calpoly.edu/%7Elcall/204/8-10/hippies.jpg


The hippies say no.

[kwsqd]

this thread makes my head hurt.

[&IllBeTheReason]

Oh, Tate.

[Regards]

I was thinkin' about that the whole time. LOL. Rise Against is the shit.
Wait... you preach counter-culture but you listen to bands like Rise Against? Hahaha.

[Regards]

http://cla.calpoly.edu/%7Elcall/204/8-10/hippies.jpg


The hippies say no.
Yeah... that was a sarcastic post. Cool though. Thanks for the swt picture of people who haven't showered in years.

[Broclee]

Yeah... that was a sarcastic post. Cool though. Thanks for the swt picture of people who haven't showered in years.
I know...mine was a joke as well, using the counterculture of the 60's as a response to your sarcastic posting of the Rise Against album cover.

[Regards]

I know...mine was a joke as well, using the counterculture of the 60's as a response to your sarcastic posting of the Rise Against album cover.
Showed him WHAT WAS UP.

[Nevuk]

Word. Anarcho-Punk always was just a torch in the darkness it seems.
This website does have a higher proportion of random radicals than most other discussion forums, and it's far more useful for actually learning to debate and maintain a heated political discussion with people of entirely different views than most others of its kind. But yeah, stay away from the personal life forum.

[&IllBeTheReason]

Really? None of you are the least bit suspicious of this 'new poster'?

[abcdefghijake]

punx aren't allowed to use the internet. I'm telling on you.

[Theseventhson]

I was thinkin' about that the whole time. LOL. Rise Against is the shit.
OMG, Rise Against, you really up tha punx.

[Broclee]

Showed him WHAT WAS UP.

:highfive:

[MyNameIsRoss]

what a shit thread. expected more luls.

[caveBEAR]

I need someone to go over the rules of non-conformity with me, please!

[oldwirehands]

I do admit, the political forum here sucks minus a few select. And I rarely see those select people post here anymore.

[Duexy]

Despite the name of the website, barely anyone here refers to themselves as punk.

this is true.

[tattoo_ofthesun]

this is true.


I missed the part where people had to refer to themselves as "punk" to take part in this website. Or refer to themselves as anything, for that matter.

PS, I hardly consider this random criticism a productive addition to what's supposed to be a political forum. You're complaining about something that you're being completely hypocritical about.

[unionx]

Reformists aren't punks. What the hell kind of punk has lengthy discussions about people like Glenn Beck that are anything but humor, a break from discussing relevant politics? Why the hell are there punks who don't know about protest summits until they happen to catch a clip of one on the news?! If you aren't a radical, please, cease referring to yourself as a punk. If you take issue with this, by all means, debate it.

Meh. (Mainstream) punk had been dead a while now anyways.

--New forum member, disappointed with the political atmosphere here, startin' trouble to pass the time =/

PS I didn't quote CrimethInc out of support. Fuck CrimethInc.

Anyone who wastes their breath on Glenn Beck is an idiot or a fool.

Also, punk and radical are two entirely different things. A radical is someone who is so off base from the norm that he isn't normally accepted in modern society because of his views. Punk is a counterculture.

[Praetor]

Anyone who wastes their breath on Glenn Beck is an idiot or a fool.

Also, punk and radical are two entirely different things. A radical is someone who is so off base from the norm that he isn't normally accepted in modern society because of his views. Punk is a counterculture.
I could be wrong, but I thought that radical was an extreme left-libertarian position on the political spectrum. It's a specific set of beliefs, I think.

[unionx]

I could be wrong, but I thought that radical was an extreme left-libertarian position on the political spectrum. It's a specific set of beliefs, I think.

True, but I'm not categorizing it as a specific political ideology. Just the idea of it a radical. Not normal, ultra-progressive.

[MyNameIsRoss]

I could be wrong, but I thought that radical was an extreme left-libertarian position on the political spectrum. It's a specific set of beliefs, I think.

You could be considered a radical if you were extremely far right. Libertarianism is a broad view as well, which is why there are left-libertarians and right-libertarians.

[Praetor]

You could be considered a radical if you were extremely far right. Libertarianism is a broad view as well, which is why there are left-libertarians and right-libertarians.
No, that's called a reactionary. Both are equally extreme, but reside in opposite sides of the spectrum. I'm well aware that libertarianism is a multi-faceted concept.

[Machu505]

Radical can be used for both sides of the political spectrum.

[Praetor]

Radical can be used for both sides of the political spectrum.
I disagree strongly with considering 'radical' and 'extreme' synonymous. Everything I've read on the political spectrum leads me to believe that 'reactionary' is the proper term for a right-wing equivalent to a radical.

[Machu505]

I think the term radical denotes some sort of revolutionary ideal for both wings.

[bung]

–adjective
1. of or going to the root or origin; fundamental: a radical difference.
2. thoroughgoing or extreme, esp. as regards change from accepted or traditional forms: a radical change in the policy of a company.
3. favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms: radical ideas; radical and anarchistic ideologues
–noun
9. a person who holds or follows strong convictions or extreme principles; extremist.
10. a person who advocates fundamental political, economic, and social reforms by direct and often uncompromising methods.

Either side of the spectrum.

[Praetor]

That's weird, I've honestly never read anything anywhere else that's led me to believe that.

[MyNameIsRoss]

oh

[xshady121]

That's weird, I've honestly never read anything anywhere else that's led me to believe that.

this is fairly irrelevant to the matter at hand, but whats your icon?

[Praetor]

this is fairly irrelevant to the matter at hand, but whats your icon?
The adorable Amber Coffman. She's in the Dirty Projectors, and the screenshot is from their video for "Stillness is the Move (http://stillnessisthemove.com/)".

[TurbulentCo]

LOL. I normally respond to "That's not punk" comments like that, too, but damn. Since when was punk nothing but the music and fashion? Where's the counter-culture? Well, I know the counter-culture. The problem is that the punk counter-culture is just a sub-culture of the punk sub-culture. Punk itself should be counter cultural.

Keep in mind that the main point isn't about what techinally is and isn't punk. Shit, up until like 3-4 years ago, I only listened to Hip Hop and R&B, and (mainstream) Hip Hop is as bad off as punk is. I didn't grow up with punk, and I know only so much about the history. All I know is that I was attracted to punk because I thought it fought for something, that it wasn't just another distraction for the complacent masses. This actually is more about my disappointment than anything else. Lifestylism is stupid anyway.

No offense, but what I see from punk culture in general is not as relevant as I'd hoped. Just venting.


Punk has always been about fashion not even music. The dead Kennedys were formed by a clothing store.

[saysmydoctor]

That's weird, I've honestly never read anything anywhere else that's led me to believe that.
But right-wing 'radicalism' is never called radical; it always refers to the far-left.

[Nevuk]

I've seen radical used to refer to far-right militia movements or like individualist anarchists. It gets kind of troublesome because like neo-nazi types are radicals. Reactionary can be used as well, but it applies to most republicans as well.

[tattoo_ofthesun]

I disagree strongly with considering 'radical' and 'extreme' synonymous. Everything I've read on the political spectrum leads me to believe that 'reactionary' is the proper term for a right-wing equivalent to a radical.


Well, yes and no. Reactionary can mean any political/social movement that wants to return to something that it once was. It's meant a bunch of different things throughout the past few centuries, originating in the French Revolution to denote counter-revolutionaries (left). Reactionism, from what I've learned, is a term used by the left for people (normally right-wing) that consider certain ideas outdated and anti-progressive.

[five inch taint]

The only think more Punk Rock than No Fear, is "voicing" an opinion on an internet forum.

[caveBEAR]

The only think more Punk Rock than No Fear, is "voicing" an opinion on an internet forum.

No Fear? Like the clothing brand?

[five inch taint]

No Fear? Like the clothing brand?

Hell Yeah!!!

About 12 years ago, there was a Skate Shop in Roseville,CA that every summer would host this event called "3 Days Of Fun". There would be local bands and skate demos and what not. One year, Firm was there to do a demo. During the demo, one of the local bands was playing when some drunk shit bag wearing a No Fear shirt was trying to be "punk" buy starting shit with people. He was screaming something about being"punk" as he was being thrown out when Lance Mountain screamed "punk rock is No fear". Ever since then, when I think of "punk rock" I think No fear.