Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Fame Quarterback?

[Corgkowznor]

Not a question that many people would say 'yes' to without thinking about it (like Peyton Manning or T.O.)...but consider these stats:

Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 259.9 yards/game
Highest completion percentage in a single game (regular season) - 92.3% (24/26) (9/20/09)
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Game) - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd and 3rd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 377 against the Pittsburgh Steelers and 365 against the New England Patriots).
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Career) - 1,156 yards.
Most Yards Passing, Playoffs (Single Season) - 1,147 yards (in 2009).
Most touchdown passes in a single postseason - 11 (in 2009, tied w/Joe Montana, who did it in 1990)
Highest Rate of Games w/300+ Yards Passing (Min. 100 games played) - 45.2%
Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/ Steve Young and Rich Gannon
Most Games with a perfect Passer Rating, Career (regular season only) - 3 (tied w/Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger
Only NFL quarterback to throw 40 touchdowns and win a Super Bowl in the same season (1999).
One of only 5 players in NFL history to throw for more than 300 yards at least 50 times. Warner did it in 113 games, also a record.
One of two quarterbacks to throw for over 13,000 yards with two different teams.
At age 37, Warner became the oldest quarterback to throw for 30 touchdowns in a season (2008).
Tied Dan Marino as the fastest player to pass for 30,000 yards. He accomplished this in 114 games.

Won two NFL MVP Awards
Super Bowl MVP of Super Bowl XXXIV
Took Arizona Cardinals to the Super Bowl
Ranked 3rd all time in career passer rating, behind only steve young and peyton manning
Second most accurate QB in NFL history

What do you think? Yes or no?

[xbrokendownx]

yes

[rcrook]

si

[preppyak]

yeah, the Super Bowl last year probably solidified it...if he had floundered with the Cardinals last year and this year winning like 6 game a season, then retired, it'd have been a much harder case to make

[sleepyseanzzz]

yes, without a doubt, not only a great player, but a great human being

[Nightfox33]

Y E S

[rcrook]

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=845352&highlight=kurt+warner
this says it all

[youngz]

yes

[Sventhegreat]

Yeah probably. Too bad his went through his prime so long ago.

[dsd is too high]

he played a great game tonight

[Sic Transit Zeb]

yes

[Sic Transit Zeb]

he played a great game tonight

he was good enough. very cool. The game was kind of ugly at times.

[nerdvglc]

well, when you word it the way you did....

[fiercetown]

Absolutely.

[Big_Guy]

yes, definitely, but his career seems to be one big in the right place at the right time

[theguy77]

not even a discussion. of course.

though i will say, that he (and this is no different from other hall of fame QBs so dont take it the wrong way) has been very privileged over his career with offensive lines. the times where his o-line hasnt been stellar, hes been shown not to be so great at improvising under the added pressure, and that includes the games where hes struggled this year.

[phillipjacob]

def. he'll be in

[owiseone35]

Ya he'll definitely get in.

[Mibabalou]

id say yeah

[Clark]

Yes, but, in reference to the first sentence in your post, I don't think T.O. is hall of fame material.

[astretch4glory]

not even a question

[xshady121]

No question.

[GetWellBoss]

definitely.

[we are cured]

Yes, but, in reference to the first sentence in your post, I don't think T.O. is hall of fame material.

you're on crack, 9 1000+ yd seasons, 140 TD's and the guy is going to top out over 1000 grabs. there isn't even an argument

[inthemidst]

I think so. Beyond statistics and awards, he overcame quite a lot of adversity to become an elite quarterback in the NFL.

[inthemidst]

yes, definitely, but his career seems to be one big in the right place at the right time

He's overcome quite a lot of adversity. He was skipped over when he graduated college, and went undrafted. He was invited to try out for a QB position for the Packers, but he had to compete for a spot against three already established QB's: Brett Favre, Mark Brunell, and Ty Detmer. He then bagged groceries for $5.50/hr at a local Iowa grocery store when he was turned down for the third spot on the team. Afterwards, he played Arena football for a couple years with the Iowa Barnstormers, and finally when it came time for him to try out for the Chicago Bears, he got stung by a scorpion on his throwing arm. Finally, he got a chance to play for the St. Louis Rams for their NFL Europe team Amsterdam Admirals, and led the league in passing yards and TD's. He then got a chance to back-up Trent Green in 1999, and after Green injured his shoulder, he started QB and led the Rams to the Super Bowl. Yes, he had great weapons with Faulk, Bruce, and Holt, but it was only after all of the crap he went through. I can't think of any other QB that overcame that much adversity, and became as successful as he did.

Is that being at the right place at the right time?

[sinkinginthesea]

absolutely. though his prime was when we was playing with the greatest show on turf.

i don't think he is a first ballet hall of famer though. but will get in for sure.

[fightinirish217]

Seems like everyone's in agreement here, as am I. He's a HOF'er, and he should be I think.

[anthonydarko]

Yes

[tcemoo]

I don't know if he's consistent enough to warrant a yes.

[Corgkowznor]

you're on crack, 9 1000+ yd seasons, 140 TD's and the guy is going to top out over 1000 grabs. there isn't even an argument

Thank you for answering that so that I didn't have to.

[FondestMemory]

yes, definitely, but his career seems to be one big in the right place at the right time

this couldn't be more wrong.

he was the backup in st. louis. sure it worked out for him that trent green got hurt after signing that monster contract, but warner made the most of his opportunity and had one of the best seasons for a qb ever.

after that he went on to the giants, where he was just keeping the seat warm for a stud draft pick.

then he went to arizona, where he was just keeping the seat warm for a stud draft pick. but he came out on top and never let them take the job from him.

dude's earned all he's got. what a poorly misinformed statement on your part.

[Chris M.]

Yes, but, in reference to the first sentence in your post, I don't think T.O. is hall of fame material.

This is laughable.

[Until The Bombs]

Yes to Kurt. Yes to TO.

[rcrook]

Do you guys think Isaac Bruce is a hall of famer?

[Clark]

you're on crack, 9 1000+ yd seasons, 140 TD's and the guy is going to top out over 1000 grabs. there isn't even an argument
This is laughable.
I'm aware of his stats, but all the negative things he's done cancels it out.

[FondestMemory]

then he won't be making the nice guy hall of fame.

lucky for him, the pro football hall of fame is based on how you are as a football player, not as a person.

i hate to more than most, but dude's had a hall of fame career.

[FondestMemory]

Do you guys think Isaac Bruce is a hall of famer?

i think a very very strong case could be made for him getting in, and i think he definitely deserves it.

but for some reason it's so hard for receivers to get in anymore.

i think he'll make it in eventually, but not right away. he'll probably have to wait til a light class five or so years after he's eligible.

[txmusic]

without a doubt yes, Kurt Warner is a stud. Worked for everything he has gotten. This guy knows the world doesn't owe him anything.

[lesto17]

There is no question that Kurt Warner is a Hall of Fame QB. Granted he has been surrounded with talent and great coaching whenever he has been extremely successful, but the guy has been a HUGE part of turning around two notoriously awful franchises (at the time). To say that T.O. is more of a no-brainer than Kurt seems ridiculous to me. I am not denying that T.O. is a Hall of Famer as well, but in my mind Kurt is definitely more deserving and an easier decision.

[Chris M.]

I'm aware of his stats, but all the negative things he's done cancels it out.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. You are aware this isn't the good guy Hall of Fame, right?

[Clark]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. You are aware this isn't the good guy Hall of Fame, right?
Actually, the whole point is to honor people that have made positive contributions to the sport. You don't have to be a player or coach to be inducted, and you can't exactly follow statistics for those who fall under the "contributor" category, can you? T.O. has put up some impressive numbers throughout his career, but his contributions have only been negative. The only time I felt he did something commendable was when he did everything he could to be able to play in the Super Bowl and played well for his team, but, as usual, he marred that by his post-game comments.

Don't believe that I think he won't get in. Of course he will. But I wouldn't vote for him.

[Tim Lincecum]

he is, the only reason people look down on him is because of his few bad seasons with the giants, some guys just dont fit into the new york scheme or lifestyle or media or w/e. He will and should be in the hall of fame

[FondestMemory]

Actually, the whole point is to honor people that have made positive contributions to the sport. You don't have to be a player or coach to be inducted, and you can't exactly follow statistics for those who fall under the "contributor" category, can you? T.O. has put up some impressive numbers throughout his career, but his contributions have only been negative. The only time I felt he did something commendable was when he did everything he could to be able to play in the Super Bowl and played well for his team, but, as usual, he marred that by his post-game comments.

Don't believe that I think he won't get in. Of course he will. But I wouldn't vote for him.

that argument is stupid.

of course you don't go by stats when you induct people as a contributor. but nobody is saying to is going in as a contributor. so pulling that out of your ass isn't gonna do any good.

the whole point is to honor the best players in the game and people that have made positive contributions to the sport. one or the other is fine, you don't have to do both.

there are worse teammates and worse human beings than to in the hall of fame already.

[Tim Lincecum]

Yes to Kurt. Yes to TO.


the only thing going against TO is that he is always in the top 10 in dropped passes. He really isn't a good receiver, he is crazy good AFTER the catch. He'll get in, but really isn't on the same level as most receivers i would consider hall of fame worthy

[xbrokendownx]

the only thing going against TO is that he is always in the top 10 in dropped passes. He really isn't a good receiver, he is crazy good AFTER the catch. He'll get in, but really isn't on the same level as most receivers i would consider hall of fame worthy



hes 2nd all time in TD catches and hes in the top 10 in catches....hes a hall of famer

[Clark]

that argument is stupid.

of course you don't go by stats when you induct people as a contributor. but nobody is saying to is going in as a contributor. so pulling that out of your ass isn't gonna do any good.

the whole point is to honor the best players in the game and people that have made positive contributions to the sport. one or the other is fine, you don't have to do both.

there are worse teammates and worse human beings than to in the hall of fame already.
Excellent argument.

You think he deserves it, I do not. Let's leave it at that.

the only thing going against TO is that he is always in the top 10 in dropped passes. He really isn't a good receiver, he is crazy good AFTER the catch. He'll get in, but really isn't on the same level as most receivers i would consider hall of fame worthy
Agreed. As a Dallas fan, I watched him drop too many passes when he played for the Cowboys to think he's a great receiver. A great athlete, but not a great receiver.

[FondestMemory]

the only thing going against TO is that he is always in the top 10 in dropped passes. He really isn't a good receiver, he is crazy good AFTER the catch. He'll get in, but really isn't on the same level as most receivers i would consider hall of fame worthy

you're right. he isn't really a good receiver. he's a great one.

yeah, the drops suck. but barry sanders was tackled for a loss more than any rb ever. that sucked. favre has thrown more ints than any qb ever. that sucks. does that mean they aren't great? absolutely not.

even with the drops and missing almost a whole season after fucking up the eagles, he's going to end his career with pretty much top 5-10 numbers all around.

if that's not what you consider good or hall of fame worthy, i'd really like to hear more about your standards.

[Scott Weber]

you're right. he isn't really a good receiver. he's a great one.

yeah, the drops suck. but barry sanders was tackled for a loss more than any rb ever. that sucked. favre has thrown more ints than any qb ever. that sucks. does that mean they aren't great? absolutely not.

even with the drops and missing almost a whole season after fucking up the eagles, he's going to end his career with pretty much top 5-10 numbers all around.

if that's not what you consider good or hall of fame worthy, i'd really like to hear more about your standards.
i agree.

[Until The Bombs]

I think the Favre and Sanders comparison it puts this one to bed.

[txmusic]

yeah, the drops suck. but barry sanders was tackled for a loss more than any rb ever. that sucked. favre has thrown more ints than any qb ever. that sucks. does that mean they aren't great? absolutely not.

the end.

[Big_Guy]

He's overcome quite a lot of adversity. He was skipped over when he graduated college, and went undrafted. He was invited to try out for a QB position for the Packers, but he had to compete for a spot against three already established QB's: Brett Favre, Mark Brunell, and Ty Detmer. He then bagged groceries for $5.50/hr at a local Iowa grocery store when he was turned down for the third spot on the team. Afterwards, he played Arena football for a couple years with the Iowa Barnstormers, and finally when it came time for him to try out for the Chicago Bears, he got stung by a scorpion on his throwing arm. Finally, he got a chance to play for the St. Louis Rams for their NFL Europe team Amsterdam Admirals, and led the league in passing yards and TD's. He then got a chance to back-up Trent Green in 1999, and after Green injured his shoulder, he started QB and led the Rams to the Super Bowl. Yes, he had great weapons with Faulk, Bruce, and Holt, but it was only after all of the crap he went through. I can't think of any other QB that overcame that much adversity, and became as successful as he did.

Is that being at the right place at the right time?

his success in the NFL in addition to him being a above average QB is attributed to the teams he has played for having had some weapons on offense.

not saying he didn't make the most of his opportunity, it was just easier to play great when he has a good team around him

[theguy77]

his success in the NFL in addition to him being a above average QB is attributed to the teams he has played for having had some weapons on offense.

not saying he didn't make the most of his opportunity, it was just easier to play great when he has a good team around him

yeah. peyton manning isnt that great of a quarterback either. neither was steve young. fuck, why not blot out like 75% of the quarterbacks in the hall of fame, because really, it was the team, not them.

[inthemidst]

his success in the NFL in addition to him being a above average QB is attributed to the teams he has played for having had some weapons on offense.

not saying he didn't make the most of his opportunity, it was just easier to play great when he has a good team around him

Dude, did you not read the post? Did you see how much crap he went through to even play in the NFL, let alone be on a team that had the proponents to win a Super Bowl? You try going 5 years through absolute adversity before being given an opportunity to play, even though you KNOW in your heart that you're good enough.

[FondestMemory]

his success in the NFL in addition to him being a above average QB is attributed to the teams he has played for having had some weapons on offense.

not saying he didn't make the most of his opportunity, it was just easier to play great when he has a good team around him

he's a great quarterback, not above average. the rams weren't a good team when he took over. there was talent there, but they weren't the greatest show on turf. the cardinals weren't good when he got there. sure, they had the two good receivers, but by your logic they should have already been a good team. he took the cardinals who had no running game and an awful line and turned them into a super bowl team.

he throws one of the prettiest balls in league history. his accuracy is amazing on a historical level.

you have to be a great player to play great consistently. doesn't matter what's around you.

i hate the "he was on good teams" argument. it's one of the most ridiculous arguments ever. you don't think he had anything to do with those teams being as good as they were?

great players make good teams even better, and that's what warner has done with the rams and the cardinals. the right place right time mentality is such bullshit in these types of discussions. especially in his case.

[Big_Guy]

ok, maybe I'm a little hard on him, but I did say he was hall of fame material.

and who gives a fuck what he went through. that's what happens when you are not good enough, you don't make the team.