really????

[xTSTLx]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/24/nkorea.us/index.html

"Li Gun pulled aside U.S. Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly on Wednesday and told him "blatantly and boldly" that the country has at least one nuclear weapon, one official said. Gun asked, "Now what are you going to do about it?" the official said"

[therealhebm]

woah! that came out of nowhere!!!

[NOFXdesendents5]

...then the US used 1 hydrogen bomb to destroy homo Korea because its so small.

[NOFXdesendents5]

THE END

[evil zach]

If the US can have them why can't North Korea?

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by evil zach
If the US can have them why can't North Korea?

i agree, this could be one of the first times i agree with ya, it is just scary when Li Gun said "what are you going to do about it", almost like he is challenging us

[therealhebm]

Originally posted by evil zach
If the US can have them why can't North Korea?

umm were a bit more, how should i put this.... less...crazy?

[evil zach]

I'm sure a large portion of the world would beg to differ.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
i agree, this could be one of the first times i agree with ya, it is just scary when Li Gun said "what are you going to do about it", almost like he is challenging us
I don't know why I'm arguing with sombody who agrees with me, but if you are scared, think of how the NOrth Koreans feel,.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
I'm sure a large portion of the world would beg to differ.

Ya but look at the people who run most of the rest of the world, particularly europe.

[evil zach]

Whats your point? I'd trust a european leader over bush anyday.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
I'd trust a european leader over bush anyday. Why? How exactly is Bush untrustworthy?

[evil zach]

The fact that he said outright that saddam hussien had connections to al-queda. The most convincing evidence they had was that al-queda had a meetign in the kurdish contrlled part of the country. I'm also waiting for these WMD's he was so confident the had to apeare.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
The fact that he said outright that saddam hussien had connections to al-queda. The most convincing evidence they had was that al-queda had a meetign in the kurdish contrlled part of the country. I'm also waiting for these WMD's he was so confident the had to apeare.

And France and Russia were opposed to this war because they put major investments in to iraqs oil feilds/productions in hopes of cheep oil when the UN sanctions were lifted. I though picking you side on a war based on oil was wrong?

Frances PM PERSONALLY gave saddum weapons, and a nuclear power plant (thank god the Israelis destroyed it).

Also he had 12yrs to build/hide these weapons, so finding them in a matter of weeks would be really hard.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
The fact that he said outright that saddam hussien had connections to al-queda.

You have no out right proof he didn't.

Cause that rights he didn't do anything to support terrorist, that 20,000$ to pal. terrorist bombers was just made up.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
And France and Russia were opposed to this war because they put major investments in to iraqs oil feilds/productions in hopes of cheep oil when the UN sanctions were lifted. I though picking you side on a war based on oil was wrong?

Frances PM PERSONALLY gave saddum weapons, and a nuclear power plant (thank god the Israelis destroyed it).

Also he had 12yrs to build/hide these weapons, so finding them in a matter of weeks would be really hard.
Thats called capitalism, dude. There are more countries in Europe other then france and russia.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
You have no out right proof he didn't.

Cause that rights he didn't do anything to support terrorist, that 20,000$ to pal. terrorist bombers was just made up.
I didn't say anything abou palestinan bombers though, did I?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
Thats called capitalism, dude. There are more countries in Europe other then france and russia.

Even if that is so ( which i disagree with, but for the sake of arguement), it shows that they TOO, can't be trusted in your own words, and there both wonderful socialist countries.

and did you notice most of the eastern half that once had to live under communism is helping out.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
I didn't say anything abou palestinan bombers though, did I?

Its called an example, you use them daily, so can i.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Even if that is so ( which i disagree with, but for the sake of arguement), it shows that they TOO, can't be trusted in your own words, and there both wonderful socialist countries.

and did you notice most of the eastern half that once had to live under communism is helping out.
THEY DID NOT LIVE UNDER COMMUNISM!!! There has never been a communsit state. Ever. Ther have been Socailisms, Lenninisms, Stalanisms, And Maoisms, but never a communism, and if you ask me, aside from socalism none of those are any better then capitalsim.
And Russia is trying very hard to become capitalist.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Its called an example, you use them daily, so can i.
In this case you can't, because I made a specific refernce to al-queda. Not terrorism in general. But if you want to talk about the 20 000 saddam gave to the palestinainas to kill isrealis, can we also talk about the millions the US has given isreal to kill palestinians?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
THEY DID NOT LIVE UNDER COMMUNISM!!! There has never been a communsit state. Ever. Ther have been Socailisms, Lenninisms, Stalanisms, And Maoisms, but never a communism, and if you ask me, aside from socalism none of those are any better then capitalsim.
And Russia is trying very hard to become capitalist.
correct, and i know you are free to have your own opinion, but what is so great about socialism, except getting screwed over while the lazy fucks get everything done for them? sorry. this is a true question though, please disregard the sarcasm

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
In this case you can't, because I made a specific refernce to al-queda. Not terrorism in general. But if you want to talk about the 20 000 saddam gave to the palestinainas to kill isrealis, can we also talk about the millions the US has given isreal to kill palestinians?

When did the US give out right money in RETURN for terrorist acts?

[evil zach]

It encourages us to help each other. As opposed to capitalism, which encourages a "me first" mentality. But I have a hard time defending state run socialism, because it can be very easly manipulated to benifet the ruling class.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
correct, and i know you are free to have your own opinion, but what is so great about socialism, except getting screwed over while the lazy fucks get everything done for them? sorry. this is a true question though, please disregard the sarcasm

man shut up. There are more things wrong with it then lazy people bennifeting, please stop bring this up as your only point, it makes everyone look dumb.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
But I have a hard time defending state run socialism, because it can be very easly manipulated to benifet the ruling class.

Exactually which is the way that just about every one has worked out.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
man shut up. There are more things wrong with it then lazy people bennifeting, please stop bring this up as your only point, it makes everyone look dumb.
i know that there is more wrong with it, like sub par living standards, world weak link, immoraly wrong, the list goes on, but my main pet peeve of this is the lazy people

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
It encourages us to help each other. As opposed to capitalism, which encourages a "me first" mentality. But I have a hard time defending state run socialism, because it can be very easly manipulated to benifet the ruling class.
wouldnt that be nice? but live in a real world. people will always be trying to find loopholes and easy ways out and ways to screw people over. it cannot work

[evil zach]

It can only work if we want it too. Thats why I'm anarchist.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
It can only work if we want it too. Thats why I'm anarchist.

But so does capitalism when people want it work.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by evil zach
I don't know why I'm arguing with sombody who agrees with me, but if you are scared, think of how the NOrth Koreans feel,.


ohhhh...once again, good point

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
It can only work if we want it too. Thats why I'm anarchist.
There will never be world peace, world hunger will never be solved, and there will always be dickheads trying to screw someone over. So might as well make it an every man for himself sort of thing. Humans thrive for competition, competition is what fuels capitalism. If you take away capitalism, what is there to compete for. Its like taking away someones soul.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
. If you take away capitalism, what is there to compete for.

which is why just about every economy in Europe has failed or is failing or is dependent on a foregin nation.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
which is why just about every economy in Europe has failed or is failing or is dependent on a foregin nation.
so i am not such a dumbass

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
so i am not such a dumbass


yes................no.............. ..........yes.................no... ............well i cant make up my mind.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
There will never be world peace, world hunger will never be solved, and there will always be dickheads trying to screw someone over. So might as well make it an every man for himself sort of thing. Humans thrive for competition, competition is what fuels capitalism. If you take away capitalism, what is there to compete for. Its like taking away someones soul.
who says we need to compete? I think we would all be much happier if we would actully take time to help on another. Competiion is fine in someinstances, but when it comes to the welbeing of other people, It is a horrible Idea.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
who says we need to compete? I think we would all be much happier if we would actully take time to help on another. Competiion is fine in someinstances, but when it comes to the welbeing of other people, It is a horrible Idea.
You cannot take competition out of humans. Just as you cant take out love or hate.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
It can only work if we want it too. Thats why I'm anarchist.


anarchism will never happen though, in a state of nature, with no rules, and no authority, the strong will always dominate the weak. there will always be a group that will insititute rules and try to take "power"....its like in "Lord of the Flies", when the kids are stranded with no rules, no authority figures and such, and instead of living in this great anarchist paradise, they split into different factions, develop their own rules and try to enforce those rules on the weak.

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by yeat182
anarchism will never happen though, in a state of nature, with no rules, and no authority, the strong will always dominate the weak. there will always be a group that will insititute rules and try to take "power"....its like in "Lord of the Flies", when the kids are stranded with no rules, no authority figures and such, and instead of living in this great anarchist paradise, they split into different factions, develop their own rules and try to enforce those rules on the weak.

i have to agree with you. it seems that anarchism is only a wishful thinking. it would be cool though, but it won't happen.

[evil zach]

Lord of the flies is a horrible example of anarchism. They tried to create rules and authority. That is defiently not anarchism.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
Lord of the flies is a horrible example of anarchism. They tried to create rules and authority. That is defiently not anarchism.
but you need rules to live by. otherwise it would be okay for me to just go up and shoot you in the head. correct?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
i have to agree with you. it seems that anarchism is only a wishful thinking. it would be cool though, but it won't happen.

why is it wishful thinking, i can't think of a worse scenario.

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
why is it wishful thinking, i can't think of a worse scenario.

because its something nice to think of, but it wouldn't happen... well anytime soon

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
Lord of the flies is a horrible example of anarchism. They tried to create rules and authority. That is defiently not anarchism.

yeah, i understand, but i meant that it is the inevietable, natural course that occurs when there is no authority and no rules. i admit i'm no expert on anarchy so i may be way off base, i'm just going by what i've read in philosophy class about Neitzche and such...state of nature and all.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
because its something nice to think of, but it wouldn't happen... well anytime soon

i promise you it wont EVERY happen.

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
i promise you it wont EVERY happen.

thanks

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
thanks

Your welcome........:)

[evil zach]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
because its something nice to think of, but it wouldn't happen... well anytime soon
The only people who say it would happen anytime soon ride teh short bus.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by yeat182
yeah, i understand, but i meant that it is the inevietable, natural course that occurs when there is no authority and no rules. i admit i'm no expert on anarchy so i may be way off base, i'm just going by what i've read in philosophy class about Neitzche and such...state of nature and all.
Thats one school of thought, but the anarchist school of thought is completly diferent. When golding wrote lord of the flies, he was trying to show that humans are inately evil. the anarchist belives that humans are inately good, but have become corrupted some how.

[charly horse]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
and there both wonderful socialist countries.

and did you notice most of the eastern half that once had to live under communism is helping out.

dude socialism is wonderful

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by evil zach
Thats one school of thought, but the anarchist school of thought is completly diferent. When golding wrote lord of the flies, he was trying to show that humans are inately evil. the anarchist belives that humans are inately good, but have become corrupted some how.


do you feel that anarchy could actually work in reality?, or do you feel that it coudl work in an ideal type situation

....im not being sarcastic when i say this

[evil zach]

Yes I do. In the past It has worked in small scales and it was usaly overthrown by forces. In some cases the reason it didn't work out was beacuse of coruption from out side forces. I will agree that it can only work in an ideal situation, but right now the main goal of anarchists is working toward creating that ideal situation, and educating people about anarchism.

[charly horse]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
dude socialism is wonderful

opps...i meant isnt wonderful my bad

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
opps...i meant isnt wonderful my bad
nice avatar

[charly horse]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
nice avatar

why thank you sexay

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
why thank you sexay
you want that to be in my sig?

[charly horse]

Yep!

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
Yep!
well you gotta say the same thing you just said, except put my name in it

[charly horse]

BrandNewRock05 I want ur sexay body

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
BrandNewRock05 I want ur sexay body
All sigged up.
Now one for you

alsublimereject, I want your sexy body


lol

[charly horse]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
i promise you it wont EVERY happen.


why are people so afraid of anarchism?....and how can u say it wont EVER happen...it could in some controled instances

[evil zach]

Generally people are afraid of what they don't understand.
That sounded alot meaner then it was ment too

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
Generally people are afraid of what they don't understand.
That sounded alot meaner then it was ment too

I understand it im just not stupid. Nothing like that will work, expecially in the pattern you (zach) think it will.

Capitalism is the only form that has worked, just about everyone gets a fair shot in capitalism based on what they are willing to accomplish.

Why on earth would people want Anarchy, its against human nature.

[charly horse]

Originally posted by evil zach
Generally people are afraid of what they don't understand.
That sounded alot meaner then it was ment too


see..... like im not agaisnt anarchism...i just dont see it happening in an instance anytime soon...or a noncontroled one...but it seems like it would be a very good idea...basically its saying man is good.....so basically i see anarchism as a good ideological idea...im not so for communism because i dont believe in a strong government.......so if u were a communist zach...there would be no mad monkey sex for you

[evil zach]

ha, controlled anarchism...

[amishman]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
see..... like im not agaisnt anarchism...i just dont see it happening in an instance anytime soon...or a noncontroled one...but it seems like it would be a very good idea...basically its saying man is good.....so basically i see anarchism as a good ideological idea...im not so for communism because i dont believe in a strong government.......so if u were a communist zach...there would be no mad monkey sex for you

Communism only works on paper, and that's it. It may seem like a good idea, but when applied, it fails. Anarchy is just mayhem, look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me. I don't think that will ever work, but who knows...

[charly horse]

Originally posted by evil zach
ha, controlled anarchism...



do u understand what i mean by that......? cuz that does seem a little contradictory(sp)....

[xTSTLx]

like evil zach said earlier, i think it could work on a small scale, but when on a larger scale, people get power hungry

[yeat182]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
why are people so afraid of anarchism?....and how can u say it wont EVER happen...it could in some controled instances


Neitzche, "state of nature"

[charly horse]

Originally posted by amishman
Communism only works on paper, and that's it. It may seem like a good idea, but when applied, it fails. Anarchy is just mayhem, look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me. I don't think that will ever work, but who knows...



im against communism......and it does work...look at china..

[amishman]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
im against communism......and it does work...look at china..

China is a mix of both communism and capitalism. Look at Hong Kong.

[evil zach]

Communism for profit!

[amishman]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
im against communism......and it does work...look at china..

China is a mix of both communism and capitalism. Hong Kong is much different than the majority of the country.

[charly horse]

there are many other communist countries....what about north korea

[yeat182]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
im against communism......and it does work...look at china..

also, china isn't a great example of a nation to begin with, let alone a communist nation.

[evil zach]

yes but even outside of hong kong, they are nowear near communism. they have fucking mcdonalds in bejing for goodness sake

[amishman]

Originally posted by evil zach
yes but even outside of hong kong, they are nowear near communism. they have fucking mcdonalds in bejing for goodness sake

Yeah, China is a special case, with an asterik next to it.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by alsublimereject
there are many other communist countries....what about north korea
North Korea is far from communist. Their has never been a communist country, ever. ther ahve been lenninisms, stalinism, maoisms, and authoritarian socalisms

[amishman]

Originally posted by evil zach
North Korea is far from communist. Their has never been a communist country, ever. ther ahve been lenninisms, stalinism, maoisms, and authoritarian socalisms

Yeah, but I still think true communism will not work.

[charly horse]

god see.... i learn all this in school....theyre teaching the kids now a days crap information....
but zach i have a question........what would be an anarchist concept of money?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
yes but even outside of hong kong, they are nowear near communism. they have fucking mcdonalds in bejing for goodness sake

Gee i wonder why there heading to Capitalism...............maybe its cause people actually prosper in capitalism, instead of just those with governmental ties.

[amishman]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Gee i wonder why there heading to Capitalism...............maybe its cause people actually prosper in capitalism, instead of just those with governmental ties.

Exactly, why strive for anything when your success will be shared/distributed? Under capitalism, people/companies strive for success. Everything is not done for the sake of money (sadly, it sometimes is though). I heard Bill O'Reilly ask someone once, what "communistic" country has produced a life-saving drug. I thought it was a great point.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Gee i wonder why there heading to Capitalism...............maybe its cause people actually prosper in capitalism, instead of just those with governmental ties.
or maybe because china's government is corrupt beyond belief.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
or maybe because china's government is corrupt beyond belief.

much like europes (or most governments in general, but what style of governmetn are most nations?)

or could it be that there listening to the people and seeing that HUMAN don't want communist governmetns controling there lives, and if they dont in part listen to the people they'll be out of power.
(i know its most likely the 1st but you never know.)