Illegal Aliens

[BrandNewRock05]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/04/24/immigrant.detention.ap/index.html
I am all for it

[WithStamin]

Great! Illegal aliens are a huge problem in America. They are dragging states down into budget crisis, sapping off our social programs, and overcrowding our schools and hospitals. Illegal immigration is more dangeous to our nation that terrorism, in my opinion.

[evil zach]

Corpoatiosn cross borderes everyday in an attempt to exploit the people of a 3rd world country to raise their profits. When Sombody from a 3rd world nation crosses the borders to escape exploitation and to bettern themselves, they are called illeagle aliens.
Sounds fair to me.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by evil zach
Corpoatiosn cross borderes everyday in an attempt to exploit the people of a 3rd world country to raise their profits. When Sombody from a 3rd world nation crosses the borders to escape exploitation and to bettern themselves, they are called illeagle aliens.
Sounds fair to me.

They should just register for a pass to immigrate. It may take awhile but it secures citizenship for them and it also means the US is not having it's economy ruined, and it's agency's budgets overdrawn.

I support this.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
Corpoatiosn cross borderes everyday in an attempt to exploit the people of a 3rd world country to raise their profits. When Sombody from a 3rd world nation crosses the borders to escape exploitation and to bettern themselves, they are called illeagle aliens.
Sounds fair to me.
That is not why they leave. Cuba. All of those businesses we have in Cuba, right? They are trying to leave a socialist dictatorship. Why should we take them in? If they want in, do the paperwork, make it legal. Why should taxpayers pay for your hospital bills and the policing it takes to get you back to where ever you came from. It shouldnt be that way. This is not your home. Go away. Better yet, go to France.

[yeat182]

why would you release someone who is in this country illegally back into the same country they entered illegally? they should be deported, not re-released on bond into a country they aren't allowed to be in in the first place, the laws don't make sense in the first place, so this new one couldn't be much worse.

[The Nephilm]

You fucking morons.

Go pick up a carrot. I would bet my left nut that it was picked by an "illegal" immigrant.

Our economy would not function without the extremely poor and desperate doing the shit jobs that American's don't want to do. Therefore we make "illegal" immigrants do it.

So before you tell them to "get the fuck out" think about what they provide for you every fucking day.

[WithStamin]

There are tons of legal, unemployed immigrants who would be happy to do that agricultural work. We let in a ton, we don't need an extra ton and a half.

[yeat182]

yeah, our economy is rather dependent on the extremely cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants. its a double edge sword, they do the jobs no one else wants to, but they do also drain our tax dollars.

but this law is supposed to allow for the detainment of only those seen as a threat to our security, so I don't really have a problem with that.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by WithStamin
There are tons of legal, unemployed immigrants who would be happy to do that agricultural work. We let in a ton, we don't need an extra ton and a half.

what?

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
That is not why they leave. Cuba. All of those businesses we have in Cuba, right? They are trying to leave a socialist dictatorship. Why should we take them in? If they want in, do the paperwork, make it legal. Why should taxpayers pay for your hospital bills and the policing it takes to get you back to where ever you came from. It shouldnt be that way. This is not your home. Go away. Better yet, go to France.
Yes thats a wonderfull idea. Send AMERICAN government documents to cuba. Especaly ons that would grant cuban deferctors a seafe haven, Its not like Fidels government is going to screen it or anything. People don't just pack up and leave everything behind to completly start over again because its so much fun. In alot of cases its very dificult to get the proper paper work that would aloow sombody leagl entrence to the US. Especaly in countries that are at war, or under a dictator ship.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
You fucking morons.

Go pick up a carrot. I would bet my left nut that it was picked by an "illegal" immigrant.

Our economy would not function without the extremely poor and desperate doing the shit jobs that American's don't want to do. Therefore we make "illegal" immigrants do it.

So before you tell them to "get the fuck out" think about what they provide for you every fucking day.

A number two with a coke. Woo-hoo....

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

speaking of illegal aliens....a couple weeks ago about 6 of em crossed the river from Canada in an inflatable raft, walked 10 blocks to the grocery store and called a taxi. when the taxi got there, the cops grabbed em all. I heard they were Guatemalan.

[EmoMoose86]

well, the infrastructure of America does have a lot to do with the immigrants who have come from different countries to the Untied States. Down here in Texas- there's a large hispanic community. Some argue that they take too many jobs, that they hurt school budgets... which is true to some extent...BUT They have every right to be here- its America. However- they should be LEGAL immigrants.

when I say Legal Immigrants- they are checked for diseases, checked for there purpose of coming to America- all these things are for internal security.

and no... we dont MAKE them do shit jobs Neph. They are a hell of a lot better than where they were probably. We arent MAKING them come you know.

I have no problem with legal immigrants "picking my carrots"... but i do have a problem with illegal aliens picking my carrots.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
Yes thats a wonderfull idea. Send AMERICAN government documents to cuba. Especaly ons that would grant cuban deferctors a seafe haven, Its not like Fidels government is going to screen it or anything. People don't just pack up and leave everything behind to completly start over again because its so much fun. In alot of cases its very dificult to get the proper paper work that would aloow sombody leagl entrence to the US. Especaly in countries that are at war, or under a dictator ship.
why is it America's problem? Why should we be plauged with cubans in our country? when we helped out iraq, it was bad. yet when we dont help out cuba its bad. wanna help me figue this out? it sucks nuts that they have to live in cuba, but those are the cards you are dealt. do the paper work, yes it may be hard, but if you want it really badly you could probably manage to do so. i dont want to have to support some illegal cuban on my dime, sorry. he is here illegaly, breaking the law, a criminal. i do not support criminals.

[evil zach]

Well first off, I find the fact that you comapred cubans to a disease higly offensive, and before you ask, no, I'm not cuban, and I don;t know any.
Secondly, any body who didn;t support isn't uspes because you "helped" iraq. the reason being, we don't belive that you are helping.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
Well first off, I find the fact that you comapred cubans to a disease higly offensive, and before you ask, no, I'm not cuban, and I don;t know any.
Secondly, any body who didn;t support isn't uspes because you "helped" iraq. the reason being, we don't belive that you are helping.
i had no clue liberating a country from an psycotic dictator was such a crime

[evil zach]

The main goal was never to liberate Iraq. From day one the bush administartion was saying they were going to war because Saddam posed cheimical and biological weapons. We are all still waiting for them http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-05.htm

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
The main goal was never to liberate Iraq. From day one the bush administartion was saying they were going to war because Saddam posed cheimical and biological weapons. We are all still waiting for them http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-05.htm
its funny that the same people who urged that the un take more time and search for weapons are now demanding them on the spot. and we did liberate a country dumbfuck. is saddam in power? no.

[evil zach]

How much time did the US give the UN to serche for weapons? I think thats how much time the US should be given. If they can't find them in that amount of time then send the UN back in or accept they fact that there were none. Dose that seem fair to everybody?
One persons definition of liberation is anothers of occupation. And judging by recent protests in Iraq, I think we all know how how they feel.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
How much time did the US give the UN to serche for weapons? I think thats how much time the US should be given. If they can't find them in that amount of time then send the UN back in or accept they fact that there were none. Dose that seem fair to everybody?
One persons definition of liberation is anothers of occupation. And judging by recent protests in Iraq, I think we all know how how they feel.
So the US should get 12 years to find weapons. Sounds good to me. And those protesters were a select few that media decided to cover to shoot Bush in the face. All those protesters were the people who were thrown out of stores for looting, no wonder they dislike the US, god forbid we uphold law and order. I find it hilarious that you cant seem to grasp that the Iraqis are glad we freed them. You seem to pass over the mass majority of those who hug soldiers and wave american flags around. so this is bullshit. "And judging by recent protests in Iraq, I think we all know how how they feel". All? Just like all Americans were against the war, correct? Thats why 70% was in favor. Good try

[evil zach]

sorry dude, but bush wasn't talking about going to war with them over WMDS for 12 years.
Can you really prove that all of the protesters where the people looting? My guess is that you can't, just like when asked you couldn't prove that all of the protestors in the US where hippy liberal commies with no jobs.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
sorry dude, but bush wasn't talking about going to war with them over WMDS for 12 years.
Can you really prove that all of the protesters where the people looting? My guess is that you can't, just like when asked you couldn't prove that all of the protestors in the US where hippy liberal commies with no jobs.
It was a generalization. How come you are allowed to make them, and I am not? Yet my generalizations tend to swing towards the majority, and yours do not. All of the Iraqis are against America? I doubt it. Probably a fraction of Iraqis are angered at America. Probably 90% of protesters in America are liberals. Sorry for generalizing

[evil zach]

What generalizaition was I makeing? I was going by fact that I had. I'm sure there are many Iraqis who enjoy the US occupation, but untill they speack up they can't expect to be represented.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
What generalizaition was I makeing? I was going by fact that I had. I'm sure there are many Iraqis who enjoy the US occupation, but untill they speack up they can't expect to be represented.
You said they all hated "One persons definition of liberation is anothers of occupation. And judging by recent protests in Iraq, I think we all know how how they feel."
Sounds to me as you think they all hate it. The Iraqis hating us as a whole is as absurd as kicking a fireman in the crotch after he saved you from a burning fire.

[evil zach]

Its not absourd. I have seen no recent evidence of Iraqis supporting the american occupation, But I have seen recent evidence of them protesting it. Having said that, not unfair to suggest that they don't suppot it. I culd be wrong, but I have seen no evidence to support that the majority of Iraqi's suppot US occupation.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
How much time did the US give the UN to serche for weapons? I think thats how much time the US should be given. If they can't find them in that amount of time then send the UN back in or accept they fact that there were none. Dose that seem fair to everybody?


the UN took 12 years, and found nothing, i think its fair to give the US a little bit more than a few weeks to find something...

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
Its not absourd. I have seen no recent evidence of Iraqis supporting the american occupation, But I have seen recent evidence of them protesting it. Having said that, not unfair to suggest that they don't suppot it. I culd be wrong, but I have seen no evidence to support that the majority of Iraqi's suppot US occupation.

Most rational people dont go out and protest in the streets or make nuisances of themselves on others.

So i wouldn't base what you see of the people dancing and cuting themselves in the streets as the majority of "iraqi's", just like i wouldn't call the nuts in the streets of america the majority or that they even remotely speak for the majority.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Most rational people dont go out and protest in the streets or make nuisances of themselves on others.

So i wouldn't base what you see of the people dancing and cuting themselves in the streets as the majority of "iraqi's", just like i wouldn't call the nuts in the streets of america the majority or that they even remotely speak for the majority.
thank you

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Most rational people dont go out and protest in the streets or make nuisances of themselves on others.

So i wouldn't base what you see of the people dancing and cuting themselves in the streets as the majority of "iraqi's", just like i wouldn't call the nuts in the streets of america the majority or that they even remotely speak for the majority.
Then maybe the majority should speak up. How can you expect to be heard is you don't open your mouth?

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
Then maybe the majority should speak up. How can you expect to be heard is you don't open your mouth?


that is good advice, the palestinians that want peace should listen to it.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by yeat182
the UN took 12 years, and found nothing, i think its fair to give the US a little bit more than a few weeks to find something...
Again, There hasn't been serious talk of war with iraq for 12 years. You(pro-war people) always say thing like "The UN had 12 years to find them" But even 3 years ago did the thought of war with Iraq cross your mind? Did ridding sadam of WMDs cross your mind? my guess is it didn't.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
Then maybe the majority should speak up. How can you expect to be heard is you don't open your mouth?

The majority did speak all 80% of us said we want the world rid of Saddum. We just didn't destroy public and private property when we did it. Because were actually for our causes and not just out to have a "good time" or to act cool in front of others.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
Again, There hasn't been serious talk of war with iraq for 12 years. You(pro-war people) always say thing like "The UN had 12 years to find them" But even 3 years ago did the thought of war with Iraq cross your mind? Did ridding sadam of WMDs cross your mind? my guess is it didn't.


well, honestly, when saddam kicked the inspectors out in 1998, i thought it would lead to "war", but clinton backed down, and i felt it was only a matter of time before there would be a crisis.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
well, honestly, when saddam kicked the inspectors out in 1998, i thought it would lead to "war", but clinton backed down, and i felt it was only a matter of time before there would be a crisis.
clinton was too much of a pussy to really do anything

[evil zach]

yeah, he just cut off the food and medical suplies, and bombed them. What a pussy.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
yeah, he just cut off the food and medical suplies, and bombed them. What a pussy.
it was a half ass job

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
yeah, he just cut off the food and medical suplies, and bombed them. What a pussy.

But that didn't help stop the problem.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
yeah, he just cut off the food and medical suplies, and bombed them. What a pussy.


well, the UN set up the sanctions, and they bombed Iraq for two reasons, 1. when they violated the no fly zone, 2. and when they kicked out the inspectors

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
yeah, he just cut off the food and medical suplies, and bombed them. What a pussy.

I'd call him more of a hypocrite then a pussy, why is he so against the war now, but for it when he was president and could benefit from its out come?