Metal

[ArmoredSleep]

Whooo :D
What have you guys been listening to recently?

[bard]

between the buried and me
dillinger escape plan
the locust
zao
the bled

[TheReckoner]

:tophat:

[ArmoredSleep]

between the buried and me
dillinger escape plan
the locust
zao
the bled

Good call on Between the Buried and Me and The Locust

[Rodeo]

Titanium alloy and aluminum.

[bard]

:tophat:
oh hey! i've been listening to neon indian the last few days. i'm really diggin it.

you should check out 'small - teenage cover'

that album came out this year as well, and it takes the poppy kind of feel of neon indian, and mixes it with the electronic feel from passion pit/m83 kind of. either way, one of my favorites of the year.

[anthonydarko]

Aw manz iz been liztening to Bring Me The Horzion!1!11 best br00tal band evar!11!!! FUCK DA HATERZ!!!1!!

x

[TheReckoner]

oh hey! i've been listening to neon indian the last few days. i'm really diggin it.

you should check out 'small - teenage cover'

that album came out this year as well, and it takes the poppy kind of feel of neon indian, and mixes it with the electronic feel from passion pit/m83 kind of. either way, one of my favorites of the year.
Oh sweet! :D Im glad you like them! Ill check them out later. Im sure they'll be epic. Passion Pit + Neon Indian= Me a happy happy camper.

[Rodeo]

But in actuality....


Hate Eternal
Origin
Cynic
Death
Carcass
Wolves in the Throne Room
Sunn0)))
At the Gates
Behemoth
Cephalic Carnage
Cattle Decapitation
Nile
Morbid Angel

etc. etc.

[ArmoredSleep]

Anyone here a fan of Black Dahlia Murders new album :o? Or Suicide Silence's or Skeletonwitch's?

[TheReckoner]

Aw manz iz been liztening to Bring Me The Horzion!1!11 best br00tal band evar!11!!! FUCK DA HATERZ!!!1!!

x
I think, but Im not sure, that you just fucked me.

[ArmoredSleep]

But in actuality....


Hate Eternal
Origin
Cynic
Death
Carcass
Wolves in the Throne Room
Sunn0)))
At the Gates
Behemoth
Cephalic Carnage
Cattle Decapitation
Nile
Morbid Angel

etc. etc.


thats some good stuff. Cattle Decap is intense.

[bard]

Oh sweet! :D Im glad you like them! Ill check them out later. Im sure they'll be epic. Passion Pit + Neon Indian= Me a happy happy camper.
just approach it as really, really poppy and catchy. but it's good. hope you like it.

[anthonydarko]

Actual bands I'm listening to:
Emperor
Cult Of Luna
Behemoth
Slayer
Toxic Holocaust
Municipal Waste
Batillus
Salome
Hull
Samothrance
My Dying Bride

[TheReckoner]

just approach it as really, really poppy and catchy. but it's good. hope you like it.
Im sure I will. Thanks again.

[ThemChains]

between the buried and me
dillinger escape plan
the locust
zao
the bled
Not metal.

[ThemChains]

Hellhammer
Mayhem
Venom
Napalm Death
Darkthrone

[nkalldayyy]

August Burns Red - Constellations
Misery Signals - Controller
Underoath - (Everything)

[wesgemm08]

Black Sabbath
Electric Wizard
Mastodon

[TheReckoner]

:cat:

[ArmoredSleep]

Black Sabbath
Electric Wizard
Mastodon


They have to be my favorite metal band of all time. They just kick ass.

[Rodeo]

Not metal.


You gotta give him Zao for their "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" if only for ripping off Carcass.



And possibly the Bled for Pass the Flask... Revolver gave that a perfect score.

[bard]

Not metal.
XsorryX XiX Xdon'tX XagreeX XwithX XyourX XideaX XofX XwhatX XmetalX XisX

[kbi the crowing]

3 Inches of Blood

[Oddpac87]

Not metal.

XsorryX XiX Xdon'tX XagreeX XwithX XyourX XideaX XofX XwhatX XmetalX XisX

And it begins.

[ArmoredSleep]

3 Inches of Blood


good call, these guys are intense

[Rodeo]

And it begins.

:popcorn:

[Cuddleworthy]

when i think sunn i think drone more than metal

[bard]

i'm not looking to argue or anything guys, i just think that metal branches out into a ton of "sub-genres" and i don't care to be that meticulous with it...

[SwiftSilentDead]

Skeletonwitch
Baroness
Black Sabbath
Warbringer
Danzig
Pelican

[Oddpac87]

i'm not looking to argue or anything guys, i just think that metal branches out into a ton of "sub-genres" and i don't care to be that meticulous with it...
Oh, I totally agree with you. But the "what's metal and what's not" arguments are hands down the most entertaining thing on this site. I was just hoping for one of those.

[ArmoredSleep]

Skeletonwitch
Baroness
Black Sabbath
Warbringer
Danzig
Pelican


Youre my new best friend :D

[Rodeo]

when i think sunn i think drone more than metal

Ok... now finish the actual term now... it's not drone... it's drone metal... and Sunn0))) is the heaviest fucking band I have seen live in my life.

[bard]

Oh, I totally agree with you. But the "what's metal and what's not" arguments are hands down the most entertaining thing on this site. I was just hoping for one of those.
meh, they are entertaining and i've been listening to metal for quite a while now, but i'm sure my opinions on what metal bands are good would make some people upset...

[nkalldayyy]

XsorryX XiX Xdon'tX XagreeX XwithX XyourX XideaX XofX XwhatX XmetalX XisX
HAH!

[Cuddleworthy]

ahah what? not all drone is metal.

[ArmoredSleep]

Ok... now finish the actual term now... it's not drone... it's drone metal... and Sunn0))) is the heaviest fucking band I have seen live in my life.


...isnt it drone doom actually....

[Rodeo]

...isnt it drone doom actually....

But doom is metal too so that point is null-in-void as well.

[Rodeo]

ahah what? not all drone is metal.

But in the case of Sunn0))), they are.

[ArmoredSleep]

But doom is metal too so that point is null-in-void as well.


Lol. Well all that matters is they are heavy as fuck, and oh so good :D

[Cuddleworthy]

But in the case of Sunn0))), they are.

right. and i never said they weren't

[Rodeo]

right. and i never said they weren't

you said... "I think they are more drone than metal."


Which makes less sense than arguing about it.

[Cuddleworthy]

yet you started arguing about it :rolleyes:

[Oddpac87]

yet you started arguing about it :rolleyes:
It's just what happens in metal threads. No one can escape it.

[Rodeo]

yet you started arguing about it :rolleyes:


Can't get the hint, huh? I don't want to fucking argue with you... give it up.

[iSasquatchh]

Anyone here a fan of Black Dahlia Murders new album :o? Or Suicide Silence's or Skeletonwitch's?

I am a huge fan of both Deflorate AND No Time To Bleed. Both are fan fucking tastic albums.

[quicksilv001]

Baroness, Russian Circles, Isis, Pelican.

Anything similar to this stuff out there?

[Rodeo]

Baroness, Russian Circles, Isis, Pelican.

Anything similar to this stuff out there?


Neurosis (the godfathers of everything you described), Cult of Luna, Red Sparowes, Jesu, etc.

[Thesleepingwell]

Electric Wizard
Carnivore
Slayer
Sepultura
Overkill
Neurosis
Seventh Void
Emperor
Pantera
Onslaught
Bolt Thrower (although I'm not a big DM fan)
and Type O Negative.

[Rodeo]

Electric Wizard
Carnivore
Slayer
Sepultura
Overkill
Neurosis
Seventh Void
Emperor
Pantera
Onslaught
Bolt Thrower (although I'm not a big DM fan)
and Type O Negative.


All with a Paramore avatar. Amazing.

[Thesleepingwell]

All with a Paramore avatar. Amazing.

There are exceptions to the rule.
And besides I don't just listen to metal.

[nj mellie]

All with a Paramore avatar. Amazing.

haha that's good =] i mean no disrespect by the way.

anyway, im all about born of osiris.

[secretsociety92]

Been listening to Ozzy Osbourne full on for the first time in nearly a year and have found some new favorites out of the albums I have. W.A.S.P. are also another band I have been listening to and seem to be vastly underrated when people talk about their favorite bands or albums.

[Rodeo]

There are exceptions to the rule.
And besides I don't just listen to metal.


For sure, for sure. Me either... at ALL. Metal is what I listen to the least, in reality. I just like really reallllllly good metal.

[shit stroll]

most of the post in this thread..... :hitself:

[love_american_style]

disturbed

[boredstiff]

disturbed

We're talking about METAL...

[love_american_style]

We're talking about METAL...

they are metal, dude.

[Oddpac87]

disturbed
You win.

[t3hryan]

I really like SiKth, they're sort of metal. More of a math-coreish type, but they're really good. I also like Between the Buried and Me. And their new release is really amazing, such a good CD. In Flames is a good metal band, and as someone else said 3 Inches of Blood.

[kbi the crowing]

good call, these guys are intense

they're pretty much the only straight metal band I listen to

[boredstiff]

I really like SiKth, they're sort of metal. More of a math-coreish type, but they're really good. I also like Between the Buried and Me. And their new release is really amazing, such a good CD. In Flames is a good metal band, and as someone else said 3 Inches of Blood.

Sikth are bloody amazing.

[t3hryan]

Sikth are. Glad I was introduced to them, took me awhile with the weird vocals, but I'm glad.

[ThemChains]

You gotta give him Zao for their "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" if only for ripping off Carcass.



And possibly the Bled for Pass the Flask... Revolver gave that a perfect score.
I hope you're being funny.
XsorryX XiX Xdon'tX XagreeX XwithX XyourX XideaX XofX XwhatX XmetalX XisX
Not sure why you plastered X's all over this, but I guess you're attempting to be really funny and make a play off of me being straight edge, or maybe my avatar, but who knows. Either way, I don't give a shit. Fuck you, fuck your stupid opinion on what metal "is". Those bands, for the majority are metalcore bands, at best. A dishonest and inaccurate representation of metal as a genre. I don't consider myself the world's biggest metal fan or even an avid fan of metal. I like some of the music. But, to be giving an opinion on anything you should at least be informed, which you clearly are not. To say those bands are metal and then try to ridicule me when I call you out on it, is utterly hilarious. You're a nu jack asshole who is listing off a veritable who's who of shitty second rate fourth generation metalcore that I wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And please, throw the elitist argument at me, with all your might. I am an elitist. I know I'm an elitist. You know why? I'm better than you. That's why. Elitism can't be insulting because it separates the good from the bad and the real from the fake and so on and so forth. At the end of the day, I'll continue to post on this message board where no one really gives a fuck. Blah blah blah I'm wasting my time yadda yadda yadda. I got plenty of free time to waste and more life than you ever will, so rather than throw the petty fucking arguments at me in your rebuttal, justify to me how The Bled and Zao are metal bands. If you can, for even a fraction of the length of the shortest fart from my asshole, justify those bands as belonging in this thread...I might consider not thinking you're a poseur.

[EvilZeppelin]

Baroness
Black Sabbath
Mastodon
The Sword

[batmannj]

I hope you're being funny.

Not sure why you plastered X's all over this, but I guess you're attempting to be really funny and make a play off of me being straight edge, or maybe my avatar, but who knows. Either way, I don't give a shit. Fuck you, fuck your stupid opinion on what metal "is". Those bands, for the majority are metalcore bands, at best. A dishonest and inaccurate representation of metal as a genre. I don't consider myself the world's biggest metal fan or even an avid fan of metal. I like some of the music. But, to be giving an opinion on anything you should at least be informed, which you clearly are not. To say those bands are metal and then try to ridicule me when I call you out on it, is utterly hilarious. You're a nu jack asshole who is listing off a veritable who's who of shitty second rate fourth generation metalcore that I wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And please, throw the elitist argument at me, with all your might. I am an elitist. I know I'm an elitist. You know why? I'm better than you. That's why. Elitism can't be insulting because it separates the good from the bad and the real from the fake and so on and so forth. At the end of the day, I'll continue to post on this message board where no one really gives a fuck. Blah blah blah I'm wasting my time yadda yadda yadda. I got plenty of free time to waste and more life than you ever will, so rather than throw the petty fucking arguments at me in your rebuttal, justify to me how The Bled and Zao are metal bands. If you can, for even a fraction of the length of the shortest fart from my asshole, justify those bands as belonging in this thread...I might consider not thinking you're a poseur.

This bleeds class lol

[MartyrsCasualty]

haha that's good =] i mean no disrespect by the way.

anyway, im all about born of osiris.

isnt that more deathcore? but am i the only one dissapointed with their new album?

[anthonydarko]

isnt that more deathcore? but am i the only one dissapointed with their new album?
Yes and no, that record was pretty weak compared to their debut.

[dsd is too high]

always loving Pantera
Black Sabbath
and nobody needs to tell me Evergreen Terrace isn't metal but i could listen to them all day

[anthonydarko]

I haven't listened to an Evergreen Terrace record since I was a fat kid in high school. My, how music taste change over time.

[bard]

Not sure why you plastered X's all over this, but I guess you're attempting to be really funny and make a play off of me being straight edge, or maybe my avatar, but who knows. Either way, I don't give a shit. Fuck you, fuck your stupid opinion on what metal "is". Those bands, for the majority are metalcore bands, at best. A dishonest and inaccurate representation of metal as a genre. I don't consider myself the world's biggest metal fan or even an avid fan of metal. I like some of the music. But, to be giving an opinion on anything you should at least be informed, which you clearly are not. To say those bands are metal and then try to ridicule me when I call you out on it, is utterly hilarious. You're a nu jack asshole who is listing off a veritable who's who of shitty second rate fourth generation metalcore that I wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And please, throw the elitist argument at me, with all your might. I am an elitist. I know I'm an elitist. You know why? I'm better than you. That's why. Elitism can't be insulting because it separates the good from the bad and the real from the fake and so on and so forth. At the end of the day, I'll continue to post on this message board where no one really gives a fuck. Blah blah blah I'm wasting my time yadda yadda yadda. I got plenty of free time to waste and more life than you ever will, so rather than throw the petty fucking arguments at me in your rebuttal, justify to me how The Bled and Zao are metal bands. If you can, for even a fraction of the length of the shortest fart from my asshole, justify those bands as belonging in this thread...I might consider not thinking you're aposuer.
well, that's a bit of an overreaction.

calm down dude. you're the one who started this whole mess. who cares? i explained that i don't get too meticulous when it comes to genres. plus this isn't a metal forum, so i didn't feel the need to be so specific.

[CalRahhh]

Only proper metal I've been listening to lately has been Baroness really, and a bit of Obsolete era Fear Factory. I've had the new Nile album sitting in my itunes for a bit, but still haven't listened. I found Ithyphallic to be fairly disappointing outside of 2 or 3 tracks, so I don't have all too high hopes for this one.

[SwiftSilentDead]

I didn't think Baroness was that popular on this site. Cool.

[anthonydarko]

I'm surprised Baroness isn't talked more on here.... oh wait that's right, more people on here want to talk about the bi-polar ramblings of Max Bemis as if he was a genuis. How could I forget?

[CalRahhh]

The Birthing by Baroness rocks my socks.

[batmannj]

Only proper metal I've been listening to lately has been Baroness really, and a bit of Obsolete era Fear Factory. I've had the new Nile album sitting in my itunes for a bit, but still haven't listened. I found Ithyphallic to be fairly disappointing outside of 2 or 3 tracks, so I don't have all too high hopes for this one.

Fear Factory is cool but Xover-reactionX might correct us and tell us they are electo...pop.....metalishbluesquasi skramzcore

[anthonydarko]

That guy is just being a typical metal elitist, nothing to see here. Just ignore the guy and let him believe he's the king of the castle.

[batmannj]

I know, I'm just poking fun at it anyway, I stopped getting worked up about message board stuff especially on here.

[anthonydarko]

Same here, I don't think I've been truely worked about something on here in a long time.

[SwiftSilentDead]

I'm surprised Baroness isn't talked more on here.... oh wait that's right, more people on here want to talk about the bi-polar ramblings of Max Bemis as if he was a genuis. How could I forget?

Hahahaha.

Well, Baroness has been getting a lot of praise for the Blue Record lately, so I guess it's not surprising to see more fans.

Been mostly Black Sabbath for me today.

[anthonydarko]

Hahahaha.

Well, Baroness has been getting a lot of praise for the Blue Record lately, so I guess it's not surprising to see more fans.

Been mostly Black Sabbath for me today.
Something they deserve, Blue Record is fantastic.

[nj mellie]

isnt that more deathcore? but am i the only one dissapointed with their new album?


i guess i can see what youre saying, but i happen to like their new album..im alone haha.

[Rodeo]

I hope you're being funny.


Explain to me how that album isn't metal, please.

[Jaimehere]

I can't wait for Necrophagists' new album, the only problem is they haven't really said when they would release it >.< i have no date to look forward to

[ThemChains]

well, that's a bit of an overreaction.

calm down dude. you're the one who started this whole mess. who cares? i explained that i don't get too meticulous when it comes to genres. plus this isn't a metal forum, so i didn't feel the need to be so specific.
Eh...game over.
Explain to me how that album isn't metal, please.

Because it's not dude. Metalcore=/=metal. Mutually exclusive terms.





Would have responded sooner but I was seeing The Get Up Kids.

[five inch taint]

Demanufacture - Fear Factory
One Kill Wonder and The Haunted Made Me Do It - The Haunted
IV: Constitution of Treason - God Forbid
Summon The Thunder - Himsa
Controller - Misery Signals
Sacrament - Lamb Of God
The Art of Balance - Shadows Fall

[Jaimehere]

Demanufacture - Fear Factory
One Kill Wonder and The Haunted Made Me Do It - The Haunted
IV: Constitution of Treason - God Forbid
Summon The Thunder - Himsa
Controller - Misery Signals
Sacrament - Lamb Of God
The Art of Balance - Shadows Fall

All terrible, except for Misery Signals

[Rodeo]

Because it's not dude. Metalcore=/=metal. Mutually exclusive terms.





Would have responded sooner but I was seeing The Get Up Kids.





Well, you obviously haven't heard the record in question then.


Anyway, my buddy Matt was at that show tonight too. You drove all the way down to Norfolk for it?

[ThemChains]

Well, you obviously haven't heard the record in question then.


Anyway, my buddy Matt was at that show tonight too. You drove all the way down to Norfolk for it?

It's like an hour and a half, maybe 2 hours max. I didn't personally drive at all.

[CalRahhh]

All terrible, except for Misery Signals

the Fear Factory, Lamb of God and God Forbid albums listed are all fantastic.

[Jaimehere]

the Fear Factory, Lamb of God and God Forbid albums listed are all fantastic.

you really think Sacrament from LoG is good? that has got to be 1 of the most repetitive and boring albums to be considered metal, Ashes of the wake, As the palaces burn and Wrath are FAR better releases

[CalRahhh]

you really think Sacrament from LoG is good? that has got to be 1 of the most repetitive and boring albums to be considered metal, Ashes of the wake, As the palaces burn and Wrath are FAR better releases

It's actually their only album that I don't get bored sitting through. I found both ATPB and AOTW I find to be extremely repetitive, and both have 3 above average songs at most.

[tdunks523]

Anyone here a fan of Black Dahlia Murders new album :o? Or Suicide Silence's or Skeletonwitch's?
dont listen to skeleltonwitch but i think the new suicide silence and bdm albums are amazing

[tdunks523]

trivium-shogun
suicide silence no time to bleed
oh sleeper-son of the mourning
it dies today-lividity
red chord-fed through the teeth machine
btbam-the great misdirect

[TheReckoner]

:rooster:

[mymusicismylife]

Between the Buried and Me - The Great Misdirect
Converge - Axe to Fall
Darkest Hour - The Eternal Return
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works
The Number Twelve Looks Like You - Worse Than Alone

[shit stroll]

:ymca:

[Rodeo]

:ymca:


Rob Halford.... that you?

[TheReckoner]

:piano: :headbang:

[Cuddleworthy]

embrace the end - counting hallways to the left

[ThemChains]

Fear Factory is cool but Xover-reactionX might correct us and tell us they are electo...pop.....metalishbluesquasi skramzcore

That guy is just being a typical metal elitist, nothing to see here. Just ignore the guy and let him believe he's the king of the castle.

Fuck both of you. anothonydarko: you are easily the biggest joke on this site. Suck shit through a garden you fucking poseur. "typical metal elitist"? I'm hardly THAT big of a metal fan, however, don't try to sling elitist as an insult. I see no problem with elitism. And for batmannnj-shut your fucking mouth with your spineless drivel about "Xover-reactionX". What was said between me and him had little to nothing to do with you and the only reason I said what I did was because he added X's to all of the words in his post, in an attempt at humor and jabbing at me. Attempt failed, whack joke, whack thread, even more whack posters.

[anthonydarko]

Fuck both of you. anothonydarko: you are easily the biggest joke on this site. Suck shit through a garden you fucking poseur. "typical metal elitist"? I'm hardly THAT big of a metal fan, however, don't try to sling elitist as an insult. I see no problem with elitism. And for batmannnj-shut your fucking mouth with your spineless drivel about "Xover-reactionX". What was said between me and him had little to nothing to do with you and the only reason I said what I did was because he added X's to all of the words in his post, in an attempt at humor and jabbing at me. Attempt failed, whack joke, whack thread, even more whack posters.
Either this is one of the greatest bits of sarcasm I've seen yet on this site or you're the biggest fucking poser/baby I've ever encountered on this site, at this point I really can't decide, either way I'm laughing at this whole situation.

[OdeToTheSun]

I didn't know you could suck shit through a garden. A garden HOSE maybe.

[ThemChains]

You're a fucking nerd pussy.

[ThemChains]

I didn't know you could suck shit through a garden. A garden HOSE maybe.
You caught me.

[anthonydarko]

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE OR USE BASIC ENGLISH WRITING SKILLS, HE'S AN ELITIST!!1!!!1

x

[Pat k]

Death - Symbolic

[ThemChains]

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE OR USE BASIC ENGLISH WRITING SKILLS, HE'S AN ELITIST!!1!!!1

x

This is beyond irrelevant. I would guarantee that aside from a few missing words and less than a handful of grammatical mistakes, my posts contain better grammar and spelling than yours. And my music taste is better. Weird.

[x togepi x]

has anthonydarko contributed anything of value to a thread in his already way too long stay on absolutepunk.net?

anyone? can someone point out anything worthwhile he's posted? if he left, wouldn't some second rate internet troll take his place?

I can't decide which person makes me hate my state's posters more: him or tachypython

[anthonydarko]

This is beyond irrelevant. I would guarantee that aside from a few missing words and less than a handful of grammatical mistakes, my posts contain better grammar and spelling than yours. And my music taste is better. Weird.
http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/3375/original/cool-story-bro.jpg
Now run along little man.

[anthonydarko]

has anthonydarko contributed anything of value to a thread in his already way too long stay on absolutepunk.net?

anyone? can someone point out anything worthwhile he's posted? if he left, wouldn't some second rate internet troll take his place?

I can't decide which person makes me hate my state's posters more: him or tachypython
Awwww look, the bitter angry punk is trying to hurt my feelings. Oh and by the way, Springfield fucking sucks.

[ThemChains]

Wow....and I thought your posts couldn't become anymore thoughtless or retarded. Your shit music has spoiled what I'm sure was an already less than stellar intelligence.

[ThisIsNotDan]

:popcorn:

[x togepi x]

Awwww look, the bitter angry punk is trying to hurt my feelings. Oh and by the way, Springfield fucking sucks.

OH SHIT. I JUST GOT PWNED. SPRINGFIELD SUCKS. I TOTALLY NEVER KNEW.

my scene> your scene any day of the week.

Remember kids, he didn't actually respond to what I said because it's all true. Nobody would care if he left because he brings nothing to the game.

[ThemChains]

OH SHIT. I JUST GOT PWNED. SPRINGFIELD SUCKS. I TOTALLY NEVER KNEW.

my scene> your scene any day of the week.

Remember kids, he didn't actually respond to what I said because it's all true. Nobody would care if he left because he brings nothing to the game.


And then I'M the one who's called the troll. This kid sucks.

[x togepi x]

I just asked some simple questions. bad troll is bad.

[bard]

OH SHIT. I JUST GOT PWNED. SPRINGFIELD SUCKS. I TOTALLY NEVER KNEW.

my scene> your scene any day of the week.

Remember kids, he didn't actually respond to what I said because it's all true. Nobody would care if he left because he brings nothing to the game.
i don't really know of the "troll" you're arguing with, nor do i care, but i don't understand what you mean by this?

what scene are you talking about?

[ThemChains]

I'm pretty sure the last 20 posts or so could clear up whatever questions you have about what he is talking about.

[bard]

i've read them, but the only mention of his "scene" was someone making fun of him and his punk scene. i was just curious what he meant.

[ThemChains]

anthonydarko said, "Springfield fucking sucks."

[x togepi x]

i don't really know of the "troll" you're arguing with, nor do i care, but i don't understand what you mean by this?

what scene are you talking about?

anthonydarko. i asked him when he posted something worth reading. he couldn't own up to it. troll=someone who just exists to start shit on a message board. People might start shit, but if they're saying something worth reading, they're not a troll. Calling someone elitist isn't worthwhile.

You guys don't know what elitism is. It's not telling someone a band they like sucks or that they don't know what they're talking about. Elitism inherently involves silencing of a viewpoint. John isn't silencing you by saying the bands you like aren't metal. He isn't keeping you from talking about them or whatever, he's just correcting you. Real elitism is things like how major labels defining trends and only pushing bands within those trends or saying things like women have no place in hardcore. Huge difference.

and by scenes we're talking about local scenes. I've never heard of a band (let alone of a decent one) from Wright City, but springfield has tons. Yeah the city sucks though but most places do.

[bard]

oh okay, i thought you fell into the "punk scene" like that one guy said, and you were defending your punk scene over his scene in wright city, and just got completely lost.

i hate trolls. i know i get pretty defensive about my favorite bands and whatnot, but i try to keep it down as much as i can. it's hard not to argue when people insult mewithoutYou for instance.

[anthonydarko]

Wow, you guys need to get a life.

[x togepi x]

oh okay, i thought you fell into the "punk scene" like that one guy said, and you were defending your punk scene over his scene in wright city, and just got completely lost.

i hate trolls. i know i get pretty defensive about my favorite bands and whatnot, but i try to keep it down as much as i can. it's hard not to argue when people insult mewithoutYou for instance.

nobody is saying don't argue. just say something that isn't immediately discounting everything someone says because they're "an elitist".

[x togepi x]

Wow, you guys need to get a life.

woah dude "get a life"? You're slipping into third-rate troll territory now. now i can see why they booted you from 4chan

[anthonydarko]

OH SHIT. I JUST GOT PWNED. SPRINGFIELD SUCKS. I TOTALLY NEVER KNEW.

my scene> your scene any day of the week.

Remember kids, he didn't actually respond to what I said because it's all true. Nobody would care if he left because he brings nothing to the game.
I wasn't talking about the scene of Springfield, I was refering to the area in general, way to get your panties in a knot. Also, if bringing something to the game is bitching about people owing a Paramore record on vinyl, then that's pretty pathetic.

[anthonydarko]

woah dude "get a life"? You're slipping into third-rate troll territory now. now i can see why they booted you from 4chan
So honest question here, why are you so bitter and angry? Seriously, you're like the sterotype of the angry punk guy.

[ThemChains]

Wow, you guys need to get a life.

I have a life. Where does this come from? This idea that because I post on here I don't have a life. Oh wait, that's right...you're only saying it because you have nothing of value to say. Shithead. I'm sitting around burning some DVD's for an exhibition I'm in on Friday. After that, I'm going to go to a meeting about my move to South Africa, but you're right...I need to get a life. Fuck off and rot in Missouri you sack of shit.

[batmannj]

Fuck both of you. anothonydarko: you are easily the biggest joke on this site. Suck shit through a garden you fucking poseur. "typical metal elitist"? I'm hardly THAT big of a metal fan, however, don't try to sling elitist as an insult. I see no problem with elitism. And for batmannnj-shut your fucking mouth with your spineless drivel about "Xover-reactionX". What was said between me and him had little to nothing to do with you and the only reason I said what I did was because he added X's to all of the words in his post, in an attempt at humor and jabbing at me. Attempt failed, whack joke, whack thread, even more whack posters.

lol point proven.

[anthonydarko]

I have a life. Where does this come from? This idea that because I post on here I don't have a life. Oh wait, that's right...you're only saying it because you have nothing of value to say. Shithead. I'm sitting around burning some DVD's for an exhibition I'm in on Friday. After that, I'm going to go to a meeting about my move to South Africa, but you're right...I need to get a life. Fuck off and rot in Missouri you sack of shit.
Thanks for the shinfo. No really, thank you for getting over dramtic at a half-hearted attempt to keep the drama alive.

[ThemChains]

I wasn't talking about the scene of Springfield, I was refering to the area in general, way to get your panties in a knot. Also, if bringing something to the game is bitching about people owing a Paramore record on vinyl, then that's pretty pathetic.

Not referring to Springfield?

Oh and by the way, Springfield fucking sucks.

I must have misunderstood your statement.

[x togepi x]

I wasn't talking about the scene of Springfield, I was refering to the area in general, way to get your panties in a knot. Also, if bringing something to the game is bitching about people owing a Paramore record on vinyl, then that's pretty pathetic.

so yeah, i guess there aren't any good bands in your area. that's what i thought.

even in this thread i pointed something out that was decently articulated, which is a lot more to say than yourself who's posts amount to LOL FUNNY PICTURE GET A LIFE GUYZ. you're just bitter because nobody would miss you if you left.



So honest question here, why are you so bitter and angry? Seriously, you're like the sterotype of the angry punk guy.

dude. this is epic self clowning. You're always telling people X sucks or Y is a moron.

[anthonydarko]

Not referring to Springfield?



I must have misunderstood your statement.
He claimed that I said his scene sucked. That was incorrect, I said the city itself fucking sucks. The only thing it has going for it is bars and drunk college chicks to bang and that's about it.

[ThemChains]

Thanks for the shinfo. No really, thank you for getting over dramtic at a half-hearted attempt to keep the drama alive.

Oh no, you spelled dramatic incorrectly. Does that mean you're ignoring grammar and spelling rules because you're an elitist? Don't tell people to get a life like a fucking ingrate dingle and not expect a response.

[anthonydarko]

so yeah, i guess there aren't any good bands in your area. that's what i thought.

even in this thread i pointed something out that was decently articulated, which is a lot more to say than yourself who's posts amount to LOL FUNNY PICTURE GET A LIFE GUYZ. you're just bitter because nobody would miss you if you left.





dude. this is epic self clowning. You're always telling people X sucks or Y is a moron.
1)Never said there were any, good job.
2) Isn't that what you do oftentimes?

[anthonydarko]

Oh no, you spelled dramatic incorrectly. Does that mean you're ignoring grammar and spelling rules because you're an elitist? Don't tell people to get a life like a fucking ingrate dingle and not expect a response.
Uh most people just chuckle and brush it off, way to be a man. As for the spelling error, you got me.

[x togepi x]

1)Never said there were any, good job.

I never claimed you did. reading comprehension....work on it.

You insulted my city. I agree with you. It sucks. I insulted your scene. You agreed with me, awesome. At least my shitty city has good bands.

2) Isn't that what you do oftentimes?

of course, but the difference is that isn't all i do.

[x togepi x]

He claimed that I said his scene sucked. That was incorrect, I said the city itself fucking sucks. The only thing it has going for it is bars and drunk college chicks to bang and that's about it.

Have you been to springfield? there's way more than that.

[ThemChains]

Uh most people just chuckle and brush it off, way to be a man. As for the spelling error, you got me.
And that might normally be what I would do. However, I'm just sitting on the computer waiting for things to finish up. So fuck it. And also, way to go on insinuating that anything ever done or said on this board has ANYTHING to do with the caliber of someone being a man or not.

[anthonydarko]

Have you been to springfield? there's way more than that.
Once, if I remember the only highlight of the trip was the giant Bass Pro. I refuse to go back down after seeing how many of my dumb classmates go down there for school and do nothing but drink and fuck. Now, I may have the wrong idea of the place but from what I've gathered, it's not a place I want to be at.

[x togepi x]

Once, if I remember the only highlight of the trip was the giant Bass Pro. I refuse to go back down after seeing how many of my dumb classmates go down there for school and do nothing but drink and fuck. Now, I may have the wrong idea of the place but from what I've gathered, it's not a place I want to be at.

you do realize there are people in basically every city ever that do nothing but drink and fuck.


but whatever, last time i went to bass pro i saw two snakes fight each other. your loss.

[ThemChains]

Yea...Richmond is mostly just people who drink and fuck...and dudes who yell "f.aggot" at kids on bikes.

[anthonydarko]

you do realize there are people in basically every city ever that do nothing but drink and fuck.


but whatever, last time i went to bass pro i saw two snakes fight each other. your loss.
I never knew Bass Pro had fighting snakes.

[mht]

anthonydarko and batman sure must be really upset with Jesus because he let Norma Jean leave their precious Solid State Records to sign with the same fucking label Michael McDonald is on, that would bum me out too if I also (like them) happened to like music because I love the bible, my balls haven't dropped and I can't grow hair on my chest because I am not a man thanks to the shitty music I like that sings about fucking Christianity as a gimmick to make money.

[Pat k]

A town where people only drink and fuck...backed

[ThemChains]

anthonydarko and batman are just really upset with Jesus because he let Norma Jean leave their precious Solid State Records to sign with the same fucking label Michael McDonald is on, that would be me out to if I liked music because I love the bible, my balls haven't dropped and I can't grow hair on my chest because I am not a man because I listen to music that signs about Christianity.
Do me.

[x togepi x]

I never knew Bass Pro had fighting snakes.

what do you expect when you put a bunch of snakes in a cage and let people tap on it for hours a day until they get super agitated? snake battles. they're awesome, plus there's a turtle that's like 80 years old there.

[mht]

yo it's true.


that is the answer to togepi's question a few pages ago. he asked what one of them contributes, well they are both like the same user because all I ever see them talking about is awful christian metal and metalcore, because for some reason they love Jesus, makes me wonder how girls talk to them in public.

[ThemChains]

yo it's true.


that is the answer to togepi's question a few pages ago. he asked what one of them contributes, well they are both like the same user because all I ever see them talking about is awful christian metal and metalcore, because for some reason they love Jesus, makes me wonder how girls talk to them in public.

Jesus=no girl love. Even he couldn't get laid.

[x togepi x]

whatever jesus got laid all the time. dude hung out with whores and killed zombies.
metal as fuck

[mht]

not even about girl love. think about it, have you ever met a person in public that says "hey my favorite music relates to jesus."

i have met dudes that like bad music, but they are cool about it. like some jock meathead into cheesy heavy music that is strictly breakdowns, yea thats cool he likes to mosh. but what the fuck a kid that likes music because they sing about god? do you know ridiculous that is when you break it down. that shit is reserved for a church.

[ThemChains]

not even about girl love. think about it, have you ever met a person in public that says "hey my favorite music relates to jesus."

i have met dudes that like bad music, but they are cool about it. like some jock meathead into cheesy heavy music that is strictly breakdowns, yea thats cool he likes to mosh. but what the fuck a kid that likes music because they sing about god? do you know ridiculous that is when you break it down. that shit is reserved for a church.

True. I'm going to start telling people I only listen to homo-hardcore.


By the way Chris, jesus never got laid. (according to the Bible).

[mht]

these kids like bands that sing about jesus and Christianity and make a living out of it, when Christianity stole their book from the Jewish culture anyway. So Underoath is actually singing about Jewish history, so their preaching on stage is actually a hypocritical double standard of stupidity.

[x togepi x]

True. I'm going to start telling people I only listen to homo-hardcore.


By the way Chris, jesus never got laid. (according to the Bible).

please. that shit is probably in some book they left out because they knew it'd mess with their conception of armageddon when jesus comes back just to motorboat our way to salvation.

[ThemChains]

And their singer does coke.






and I ain't talking about the drink, cause I do that.

[ThemChains]

please. that shit is probably in some book they left out because they knew it'd mess with their conception of armageddon when jesus comes back just to motorboat our way to salvation.


You know, sex can only be done in the missionary position with the express purpose of conceiving a child, right?

[batmannj]

anthonydarko and batman sure must be really upset with Jesus because he let Norma Jean leave their precious Solid State Records to sign with the same fucking label Michael McDonald is on, that would bum me out too if I also (like them) happened to like music because I love the bible, my balls haven't dropped and I can't grow hair on my chest because I am not a man thanks to the shitty music I like that sings about fucking Christianity as a gimmick to make money.

lol. Every time you try to get me all hot and bothered it's the same insult over and over.

[mht]

that's because you only discuss the same music over and over. what you doing out of your cave thread of Christian music anyway?

[batmannj]

You could look at my post history and see that I don't just post about Christian music. But go ahead, you're on a roll, keep those fresh "you only listen to gimmick music" insults comin.

[x togepi x]

You know, sex can only be done in the missionary position with the express purpose of conceiving a child, right?

i love sodomy so much

[mht]

as long as you keep those XelitistsX comments coming I sure will.

[batmannj]

haha it was xover-reactionx. I never said anything about elitism. I don't care what he thinks about how Between the Buried & Me isn't metal, I just thought it was amusing how quickly he went into "fuck you shithead" mode. That was all.

[anthonydarko]

anthonydarko and batman sure must be really upset with Jesus because he let Norma Jean leave their precious Solid State Records to sign with the same fucking label Michael McDonald is on, that would bum me out too if I also (like them) happened to like music because I love the bible, my balls haven't dropped and I can't grow hair on my chest because I am not a man thanks to the shitty music I like that sings about fucking Christianity as a gimmick to make money.
Without a doubt, the most random post involving me.

[mht]

you two are just straight up haters

[batmannj]

haters?

[anthonydarko]

This thread has lost its way and is now lying in a dark, dank pit scared and confused.

[OurRequiem]

lol @ christian metalcore being a gimmick.

[mht]

what's so funny about it? shitty bands using a fake religion to make a lot of money off gullible kids who are suckers.


sounds like a gimmick to me

[batmannj]

Whether or not the religion or faith is fake or not is for a whole other argument, but as far as how "shitty" the music actually is, I don't really care how much you dislike Norma Jean or The Chariot or August Burns Red, I listen to them and enjoy them. It's no where near the gimmick that any mainstream rock or pop act is anymore in itself. Are there bands that do do music just to sell records? Of course, a band like Attack Attack! definitely is a gimmick, but the guys in a band like For Today or War of Ages live and breath that stuff. If you don't like it that's more than fine, but to say it totally is a gimmick for the entire genre is wrong.

[bard]

yeah, i agree with mht on some of what he's saying, but there are artists out there that aren't doing it for the gimmick.

but i'd say the majority of them are.

[xJesusFreakx]

yeah, i agree with mht on some of what he's saying, but there are artists out there that aren't doing it for the gimmick.

but i'd say the majority of them are.

Are you trying to tell me that The Devil Wears Prada isn't a sincere band!?

[bard]

Are you trying to tell me that The Devil Wears Prada isn't a sincere band!?
lol

now that i think of it, the only "christian" band i even enjoy is mewithoutYou

[xJesusFreakx]

lol

now that i think of it, the only "christian" band i even enjoy is mewithoutYou

You like Jesus Freak. Admit it!!

[ThisIsNotDan]

I think there are definetly Christian bands in it purely for the love of music, but yes many are trying to cash in on Underoath getting huge I think

[mht]

Whether or not the religion or faith is fake or not is for a whole other argument, but as far as how "shitty" the music actually is, I don't really care how much you dislike Norma Jean or The Chariot or August Burns Red, I listen to them and enjoy them. It's no where near the gimmick that any mainstream rock or pop act is anymore in itself. Are there bands that do do music just to sell records? Of course, a band like Attack Attack! definitely is a gimmick, but the guys in a band like For Today or War of Ages live and breath that stuff. If you don't like it that's more than fine, but to say it totally is a gimmick for the entire genre is wrong.


i'd say across the board it's all fake. they are playing bar venues and getting drunk one night and cashing in on religious themed fests in the summer. explain how that makes any sense.


you don't see a true religious artist who actually will play in a church and special places for that sort of belief with his music going out on a bar tour with a package of bands to make money by a guarantee and licensed support from hot topic do you? it's all a joke.


hey lets sing about jesus and then we can make neon t-shirts with lazer font with our band name in bright yellow with a picture of alf on it made by electric zombie to sell at hot topic, then we can go play purple door festival in between two preachers sermons we can come out on stage with open open, snare snare, double bass, jesus goooooo! breakdown china china china double bass, end song.

not fake? no?

[bard]

i'd say across the board it's all fake. they are playing bar venues and getting drunk one night and cashing in on religious themed fests in the summer. explain how that makes any sense.


you don't see a true religious artist who actually will play in a church and special places for that sort of belief with his music going out on a bar tour with a package of bands to make money by a guarantee and licensed support from hot topic do you? it's all a joke.


hey lets sing about jesus and then we can make neon t-shirts with lazer font with our band name in bright yellow with a picture of alf on it made by electric zombie to sell at hot topic, then we can go play purple door festival in between two preachers sermons we can come out on stage with open open, snare snare, double bass, jesus goooooo! breakdown china china china double bass, end song.

not fake? no?
i think you're just clumping the bad ones in with the good ones.

[ThemChains]

This thread fucking rules. Christianity slipping its way into punk and hardcore is fucked.

[mht]

who are the good ones? and who are the bad ones?


the music being bad or good is moot, they can be great musicians, but from a business standpoint it's fake/a joke. i think that's why you are seeing a lot of these bands being labeled/questioned as "christian" themed music from a bastardized fan base full of gullible kids, come out and have to explain their music is not christian based. example comes to mind here is he is legend.

[bard]

i don't disagree that the majority of them are in it for the cash, or that they can only get signed to a label if they say they're Christian.

i'm talking about mewithoutYou. they're not in it for the money primarily. i've talked to each of them individually and read countless interviews. i'm not saying i know them like a brother or anything, but you'd have to go to the extreme to pull of their sincerity that i've felt/heard from them and their music.

have you ever listened to them? or read the lyrics?

[xJesusFreakx]

i'd say across the board it's all fake. they are playing bar venues and getting drunk one night and cashing in on religious themed fests in the summer. explain how that makes any sense.


you don't see a true religious artist who actually will play in a church and special places for that sort of belief with his music going out on a bar tour with a package of bands to make money by a guarantee and licensed support from hot topic do you? it's all a joke.


hey lets sing about jesus and then we can make neon t-shirts with lazer font with our band name in bright yellow with a picture of alf on it made by electric zombie to sell at hot topic, then we can go play purple door festival in between two preachers sermons we can come out on stage with open open, snare snare, double bass, jesus goooooo! breakdown china china china double bass, end song.

not fake? no?

I love that festival! (Ha, a user with the name "xJesusFreakx" would say that...)

Honestly, though, my friends and I are friends with the guys in A Plea for Purging, so I can definitely say from experience that, while a lot of the Christian bands are just using their proclamations of faith as selling points, there are definitely bands that genuinely write "Christian music" because that's just what naturally comes out; it's what they're passionate about and what matters most to them. I can understand how one would make that generalization, but it's not accurate across the board.

[bard]

This thread fucking rules. Christianity slipping its way into punk and hardcore is fucked.
i don't really understand this viewpoint. every genre has people who believe in whatever religion/faith/etc...

why is Christianity not allowed?

[batmannj]

i'd say across the board it's all fake. they are playing bar venues and getting drunk one night and cashing in on religious themed fests in the summer. explain how that makes any sense.


you don't see a true religious artist who actually will play in a church and special places for that sort of belief with his music going out on a bar tour with a package of bands to make money by a guarantee and licensed support from hot topic do you? it's all a joke.


hey lets sing about jesus and then we can make neon t-shirts with lazer font with our band name in bright yellow with a picture of alf on it made by electric zombie to sell at hot topic, then we can go play purple door festival in between two preachers sermons we can come out on stage with open open, snare snare, double bass, jesus goooooo! breakdown china china china double bass, end song.

not fake? no?

I understand what you are saying for sure. Yes there are definitely ones that are cashing in, that aren't sincere, and that are only using that to gain some sort of following. But not all the bands are like that.

[batmannj]

I love that festival! (Ha, a user with the name "xJesusFreakx" would say that...)

Honestly, though, my friends and I are friends with the guys in A Plea for Purging, so I can definitely say from experience that, while a lot of the Christian bands are just using their proclamations of faith as selling points, there are definitely bands that genuinely write "Christian music" because that's just what naturally comes out; it's what they're passionate about and what matters most to them. I can understand how one would make that generalization, but it's not accurate across the board.

I agree with what was said above.

[ThemChains]

i don't really understand this viewpoint. every genre has people who believe in whatever religion/faith/etc...

why is Christianity not allowed?

I'm not saying you can't be Christian, but peddling that viewpoint through punk music is fucking disgusting to me.

[mht]

i don't disagree that the majority of them are in it for the cash, or that they can only get signed to a label if they say they're Christian.

i'm talking about mewithoutYou. they're not in it for the money primarily. i've talked to each of them individually and read countless interviews. i'm not saying i know them like a brother or anything, but you'd have to go to the extreme to pull of their sincerity that i've felt/heard from them and their music.

have you ever listened to them? or read the lyrics?



yes that's fine that they are not in it for the money, but they were certainly not a christian themed band musically when they first started out, A to B life is like a nu metal record that isn't exactly forth coming with it being so oversaturated with religious themes. Now their lyrics are so blatantly christian themed that deaf and blind people can figure out they really love their religion. but at the same time, they still sin, so its definitely a contradiction.

[bard]

I'm not saying you can't be Christian, but peddling that viewpoint through punk music is fucking disgusting to me.
no, i understand what you mean and your opinion on it, but why? like, why is it not okay for their to be Christian punk bands or whatever?
yes that's fine that they are not in it for the money, but they were certainly not a christian themed band musically when they first started out, A to B life is like a nu metal record that isn't exactly forth coming with it being so oversaturated with religious themes. Now their lyrics are so blatantly christian themed that deaf and blind people can figure out they really love their religion. but at the same time, they still sin, so its definitely a contradiction.
well, i guess it just comes down to your personal beliefs because every single true Christian, including many songs from mwY, freely admit that all people sin, including Christians. so, i don't see why that should be held against them.

also, i agree that [A->B] Life is not nearly as focused on God than the rest of their albums, but their music before that as well as some parts of that particular album do deal with God and Christianity. it just so happens that their debut album was after a bad relationship he had.

[mht]

I understand what you are saying for sure. Yes there are definitely ones that are cashing in, that aren't sincere, and that are only using that to gain some sort of following. But not all the bands are like that.


i'd say all of them are.


i am local to ABR and I have been to more ABR shows prior to them signing to solid state than everyone on this forum combined. I saw them as young teens every week for free playing for anyone who was down. They were like the weekly event. They played hard, and never once went around and preached or had lyric content referring to jesus. fast forward almost 7 years later and that band has done a 360 in their image and themes since signing on the dotted line to solid state. it's not even the same band.

[five inch taint]

the Fear Factory, Lamb of God and God Forbid albums listed are all fantastic.

Yes they are.

[five inch taint]

I'm not saying you can't be Christian, but peddling that viewpoint through punk music is fucking disgusting to me.

You do not have to listen to it.

[x togepi x]

lol @ christian metalcore being a gimmick.

LOL at you thinking you know what you're talking about.

Look at the influences of "christian metalcore". Dudes in those bands tended to be just normal dudes playing heavy aggressive music. They didn't play the industry game, which is why they're semi-obscure. Look at why Botch never got popular while Norma Jean did. Your answer will explain how Christian Metalcore is a gimmick.

Whether or not the religion or faith is fake or not is for a whole other argument, but as far as how "shitty" the music actually is, I don't really care how much you dislike Norma Jean or The Chariot or August Burns Red, I listen to them and enjoy them. It's no where near the gimmick that any mainstream rock or pop act is anymore in itself. Are there bands that do do music just to sell records? Of course, a band like Attack Attack! definitely is a gimmick, but the guys in a band like For Today or War of Ages live and breath that stuff. If you don't like it that's more than fine, but to say it totally is a gimmick for the entire genre is wrong.


explain that statement tex. underoath's press photos are just as carefully controlled as taylor swift's.

[murrich]

i'd say all of them are.


i am local to ABR and I have been to more ABR shows prior to them signing to solid state than everyone on this forum combined. I saw them as young teens every week for free playing for anyone who was down. They were like the weekly event. They played hard, and never once went around and preached or had lyric content referring to jesus. fast forward almost 7 years later and that band has done a 360 in their image and themes since signing on the dotted line to solid state. it's not even the same band.

Listen to 16 Horsepower or Woven Hand, they're Christian bands who aren't in it for the money/fame.

[ThemChains]

no, i understand what you mean and your opinion on it, but why? like, why is it not okay for their to be Christian punk bands or whatever?

well, i guess it just comes down to your personal beliefs because every single true Christian, including many songs from mwY, freely admit that all people sin, including Christians. so, i don't see why that should be held against them.

also, i agree that [A->B] Life is not nearly as focused on God than the rest of their albums, but their music before that as well as some parts of that particular album do deal with God and Christianity. it just so happens that their debut album was after a bad relationship he had.


Punk was rooted in a rebellion against Christianity, and has commonly had alternative views on organized religion. It doesn't belong, simple as that.

[ThemChains]

You do not have to listen to it.
Irrelevant. It shouldn't exist.

[Regards]

Punk was rooted in a rebellion against Christianity, and has commonly had alternative views on organized religion. It doesn't belong, simple as that.
Punk is music. Pure and simple. Don't confuse "punk music" with "punk culture", because those are two different things.

I just read the last page of this thread but you guys have to be kidding me. You've ran out of ways to insult crappy music that now you have to move into religion? What a joke. Yeah, a good majority of them are in it for the money, but how exactly does that fall onto Christanity? There are plenty of bands that do it purely and simply for worship, and to bring that worship to other people?

I guess I'll go toss all of my albums that aren't CCM music, because that would some how be hypocritical of me.

[duhpunk]

this thread got entertaining.

[mht]

Punk is music. Pure and simple. Don't confuse "punk music" with "punk culture", because those are two different things.

I just read the last page of this thread but you guys have to be kidding me. You've ran out of ways to insult crappy music that now you have to move into religion? What a joke. Yeah, a good majority of them are in it for the money, but how exactly does that fall onto Christanity? There are plenty of bands that do it purely and simply for worship, and to bring that worship to other people?

I guess I'll go toss all of my albums that aren't CCM music, because that would some how be hypocritical of me.


name said 'pure' bands.

[ThemChains]

Punk is music. Pure and simple. Don't confuse "punk music" with "punk culture", because those are two different things.

I just read the last page of this thread but you guys have to be kidding me. You've ran out of ways to insult crappy music that now you have to move into religion? What a joke. Yeah, a good majority of them are in it for the money, but how exactly does that fall onto Christanity? There are plenty of bands that do it purely and simply for worship, and to bring that worship to other people?

I guess I'll go toss all of my albums that aren't CCM music, because that would some how be hypocritical of me.

Punk music and punk culture are synonymous. They walk hand in hand. Punk rock is a celebration of all things rock and roll. This conflicts with most, if not all Christian ideals.

[xJesusFreakx]

Punk music and punk culture are synonymous. They walk hand in hand. Punk rock is a celebration of all things rock and roll. This conflicts with most, if not all Christian ideals.

How then does straightedge fit into punk culture? Isn't it essentially a rejection of the whole rock 'n' roll lifestyle? (This is an honest question.)

[ThemChains]

How then does straightedge fit into punk culture? Isn't it essentially a rejection of the whole rock 'n' roll lifestyle? (This is an honest question.)

You're putting way too much emphasis on the label "straight edge". Does it change your idea on it if I'm not straight edge and I just don't drink or smoke because I don't want to?

[xJesusFreakx]

You're putting way too much emphasis on the label "straight edge". Does it change your idea on it if I'm not straight edge and I just don't drink or smoke because I don't want to?

I'm just wondering how an ideal that rejects the stereotypical rock 'n' roll lifestyle fits into the punk rock culture if punk is inherently a celebration of rock 'n' roll. Maybe I'm reading too much into either your statement or straight edge (if not both).

[ThemChains]

I'm just wondering how an ideal that rejects the stereotypical rock 'n' roll lifestyle fits into the punk rock culture if punk is inherently a celebration of rock 'n' roll. Maybe I'm reading too much into either your statement or straight edge (if not both).

Punk rock is rock and roll straight edge was born out of punk rock.

[xJesusFreakx]

Punk rock is rock and roll straight edge was born out of punk rock.

Then straight edge was born out of punk rock but isn't necessarily part of punk rock, right? That makes enough sense that I don't see how I failed to think of it earlier.

[mht]

hardcore punk =/= punk =/= rock n roll


which is how the straight edge movement and subculture fits.

[x togepi x]

Punk is music. Pure and simple. Don't confuse "punk music" with "punk culture", because those are two different things.

You can't separate punk music and punk culture. That makes no sense whatsoever. They influence each other, so any discussion of "punk music" must inherently involve "punk culture" otherwise you end up with logic that justifies fall out boy or all time low or cobra starship being punk rock. While I don't think Christianity should be divorced from punk, I agree that the kinds of Christianity that most "christian punk bands" preach has no place in a subculture based around liberation.

[ThemChains]

Then straight edge was born out of punk rock but isn't necessarily part of punk rock, right? That makes enough sense that I don't see how I failed to think of it earlier.

Straight edge is very much a part of punk. The umbrella of punk that encompasses aggressive music. Straight edge doesn't exist outside of punk and hardcore.

[xJesusFreakx]

Straight edge is very much a part of punk. The umbrella of punk that encompasses aggressive music. Straight edge doesn't exist outside of punk and hardcore.

Well, then I have to go back to my question. If punk rock really is a celebration of all things rock 'n' roll, how can something that goes directly against rock 'n' roll be considered part of it?

[five inch taint]

Punk was rooted in a rebellion against Christianity, and has commonly had alternative views on organized religion. It doesn't belong, simple as that.

Punk was rooted in dislike of mainstream rock as well as the corporate influance in music hence the DIY attitude.


"John Holmstrom, founding editor of Punk magazine, recalls feeling "punk rock had to come along because the rock scene had become so tame that [acts] like Billy Joel and Simon and Garfunkel were being called rock and roll, when to me and other fans, rock and roll meant this wild and rebellious music."

[ThemChains]

Well, then I have to go back to my question. If punk rock really is a celebration of all things rock 'n' roll, how can something that goes directly against rock 'n' roll be considered part of it?

Because it was born out of it.

[ThemChains]

Punk was rooted in dislike of mainstream rock as well as the corporate influance in music hence the DIY attitude.


"John Holmstrom, founding editor of Punk magazine, recalls feeling "punk rock had to come along because the rock scene had become so tame that [acts] like Billy Joel and Simon and Garfunkel were being called rock and roll, when to me and other fans, rock and roll meant this wild and rebellious music."

I don't need you to quote punk magazine to prove to me what you know about punk rock. Christianity has NOTHING to do with punk rock.

[five inch taint]

I don't need you to quote punk magazine to prove to me what you know about punk rock. Christianity has NOTHING to do with punk rock.

You know nothing of Punk Rock. The more you type, the more you show anyone reading this thread that you know nothing about Punk Rock.

[xJesusFreakx]

Because it was born out of it.

So punk rock started out as a celebration of rock 'n' roll but then grew, allowing something like straight edge to be born out of it?

[Regards]

You can't separate punk music and punk culture. That makes no sense whatsoever. They influence each other, so any discussion of "punk music" must inherently involve "punk culture" otherwise you end up with logic that justifies fall out boy or all time low or cobra starship being punk rock. While I don't think Christianity should be divorced from punk, I agree that the kinds of Christianity that most "christian punk bands" preach has no place in a subculture based around liberation.
So you're saying that you can't extract something from the culture without taking the whole culture with it?

[ThemChains]

You know nothing of Punk Rock. The more you type, the more you show anyone reading this thread that you know nothing about Punk Rock.
Oh, you must be right. Except that you aren't. I don't think Christianity has anything to do with punk, peddling Christianity through punk is fucked.
So punk rock started out as a celebration of rock 'n' roll but then grew, allowing something like straight edge to be born out of it?
I don't think it grew to allow Straight Edge to exist.

[x togepi x]

So you're saying that you can't extract something from the culture without taking the whole culture with it?

When they're so closely related and intertwined, no. That would be like talking about slave hymns without mentioning slavery. If you want to contribute to the kind of discourse that waters down subcultures so that they can be co-opted by the dominant culture, then go right ahead, but I don't think you're coming from that angle.

[xJesusFreakx]

I don't think it grew to allow Straight Edge to exist.

I apologize for perhaps having a rather narrow view of things, but if straight edge is a part of punk rock culture, and it goes against the whole rock 'n' roll lifestyle that punk rock comes from, why can't Christianity and punk rock coexist? What makes them mutually exclusive? I just don't see it, but I'm far from a punk rock expert, so I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if it can be explained to me.

[ThemChains]

Straight edge came directly from punk rock.
Christianity did not come from punk rock.

[xJesusFreakx]

Straight edge came directly from punk rock.
Christianity did not come from punk rock.

So because it didn't initially come out of punk rock, it can't be incorporated? I'd disagree, but I'm also a Christian and not directly connected to punk, so I'm willing to concede my point and admit to being subconsciously biased.

[ThemChains]

I'm not saying that nothing new can be incorporated into punk, but Christianity shouldn't be incorporated into punk for the purpose of converting others or earning money at the expense of the punk's own integrity.

[five inch taint]

Straight edge came directly from punk rock.
Christianity did not come from punk rock.

Straight Edge came from Hardcore Punk Rock scene in the early 80's. Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat etc. When Punk Rock first came onto the scene, there was no ideology. Is was just a means to rebel against the "popular" rock-n-roll at the time.

[xJesusFreakx]

Fair enough. I'd agree with that. If the band members are a "Christian band" (with Christian imagery and themes) because, as Christians, that's just what naturally comes out and what they're passionate about, it's cool, but if there's an agenda behind it, that spits in the face of what punk is all about.

[x togepi x]

Straight Edge came from Hardcore Punk Rock scene in the early 80's. Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat etc. When Punk Rock first came onto the scene, there was no ideology. Is was just a means to rebel against the "popular" rock-n-roll at the time.

We get it. You watched The Filth and the Fury and think you're an expert on punk rock.


lol.

[ThemChains]

Straight Edge came from Hardcore Punk Rock scene in the early 80's. Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat etc. When Punk Rock first came onto the scene, there was no ideology. Is was just a means to rebel against the "popular" rock-n-roll at the time.

None of those are even straight edge bands. Ian Mackaye is straight edge, that's it.

[shit stroll]

[quote=five inch taint;56902231]Straight Edge came from Hardcore Punk Rock scene in the early 80's. Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat etc. When bad brains and black flag weren't straight edge jackass.

[ThemChains]

bad brains and black flag weren't straight edge jackass.

Minor Threat isn't even a straight edge band.

[SwiftSilentDead]

Straight Edge came from Hardcore Punk Rock scene in the early 80's. Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat etc..

lol wut?

edit: late pass.

[x togepi x]

Minor Threat had obvious leftist tendencies.
Bad Brains was promoting rastafarinism
One could make the argument that many of Black Flag's songs had leftist tendencies, but even if you want to ignore that, they're a poor example since they had fifty million singers/line up changes so it's hard to have a real ideological outlook.

[five inch taint]

[quote=five inch taint;56902231]Straight Edge came from Hardcore Punk Rock scene in the early 80's. Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat etc. When bad brains and black flag weren't straight edge jackass.

I never said they were.

[ThemChains]

[quote=shit stroll;56902482]

I never said they were.

BRREEEEHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! What?! You clearly did by saying that straight edge came out of blah blah blah and then dropping those 3 bands as examples. Fucking idiot.

[five inch taint]

I never said that Black Flag or the Bad Brains were striaght edge. They came from the DC Area Hardcore scene were the staright edge movement came from.

[ThemChains]

I never said that Black Flag or the Bad Brains were striaght edge. They came from the DC Area Hardcore scene were the staright edge movement came from.

Hahahahaha! Black Flag is from California, Henry Rollins is from DC. His band is not from DC. What you said insinuated that those bands had something to do with straight edge.

[shit stroll]

I never said that Black Flag or the Bad Brains were striaght edge. They came from the DC Area Hardcore scene were the staright edge movement came from.

black flag came from the dc area hardcore scene? holy fuck this keeps getting better.

[richter915]

darkest hour - undoing ruin
darkest hour - the eternal return
btbam - alaska

[ThisIsNotDan]

there's official Hardcore and Punk threads for this

/wiseass

[five inch taint]

black flag came from the dc area hardcore scene? holy fuck this keeps getting better.

I was think of Rollins when I thought of Black Flag.

[ThemChains]

:efu:

[ThemChains]

I was think of Rollins when I thought of Black Flag.

mmmmm....funny how that fact comes out after I mention it.

[five inch taint]

mmmmm....funny how that fact comes out after I mention it.

You are right. I do not know much about punk rock. I got my info from Wikipedia. I am bored. That is were I got my quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_band

[Judgemindrot]

You are right.

Poseur

[ThemChains]

You are right.
Oh, but you're right, I don't know anything about punk rock.
Poseur

FUCK YES! Judge, my man.

[five inch taint]

What am I posing as?

[ThemChains]

You are right. I do not know much about punk rock. I got my info from Wikipedia. I am bored. That is were I got my quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_band

What am I posing as?

You''ve pretty much answered your own question there, bud.

[five inch taint]

You''ve pretty much answered your own question there, bud.

Im not really into punk. I have alot of downtime at work. I was just trying to start some shit.

[ThemChains]

Im not really into punk. I have alot of downtime at work. I was just trying to start some shit.

You're a fucking troll piece of shit.

[five inch taint]

You're a fucking troll piece of shit.

I am bored.

[ThemChains]

No justification.

[mht]

So you're saying that you can't extract something from the culture without taking the whole culture with it?



have you met someone that claims to be straight edge and does not listen to rooted hardcore music? if you have, they are a fucking idiot, because i know they do exist. i see these awful myspace metalcore bands claim straight edge and probably don't listen to one actual hardcore band to be associated with the movement.

[ThemChains]

have you met someone that claims to be straight edge and does not listen to rooted hardcore music? if you have, they are a fucking idiot, because i know they do exist. i see these awful myspace metalcore bands claim straight edge and probably don't listen to one actual hardcore band to be associated with the movement.

Fucking thank you.

[bard]

Punk was rooted in a rebellion against Christianity, and has commonly had alternative views on organized religion. It doesn't belong, simple as that.
well then, wouldn't a punk Christian band be in a way the complete most punk thing to do? i know it sounds weird, but i believe that punk has a lot to do with rebellion, then what is more punk than a band that is fully devout Christians jumping right into the scene that hates them so much? seems really ballsy to me.

[bard]

We get it. You watched The Filth and the Fury and think you're an expert on punk rock.


lol.
hahahahaha

[mht]

but Christianity wasn't a rebellion, it was a bunch of outsiders down with the Jewish ideas, they liked that shit so much they wanted to to be part of it. So actually Christianity was in part a bunch of jealous bandwagon jumpers. Basically the myspace metalcore of their generation.