Hate crimes

[WithStamin]

It worries me that so-called "hate crimes" (crimes that are carried out because of race) are judged differently than any other crime. Should you really be punished more if you killed someone because of their color than if you killed them because they looked at you the wrong way? I don't think so. This just does more to make minorities feel victimized and blame their problems on society instead of themselves. It's the same problem that affirmative action has: it makes one race have more privelages than another. Whatever happened to "all men are created equal"?

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by HateJimmyCarter
Bingo. Labeling them "hate crimes" is a racist act. Right. Aren't all crimes hateful?

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Right. Aren't all crimes hateful?

that is just the label giving to crimes that is race related

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
that is just the label giving to crimes that is race related So do you honestly think that killing because of race is more wrong that killing someone for some other reason? "Hate crimes" don't even have to have a motive of race; they just apply to when a white guy killing a black guy. Appearantly, whites have more responsibilities and blacks have more privilages.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by WithStamin
So do you honestly think that killing because of race is more wrong that killing someone for some other reason? "Hate crimes" don't even have to have a motive of race; they just apply to when a white guy killing a black guy. Appearantly, whites have more responsibilities and blacks have more privilages.

i wasnt disagreeing with you, in a prefect world a judges eyes should not see race/gender, but we are far from perfect world

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
i wasnt disagreeing with you, in a prefect world a judges eyes should not see race/gender, but we are far from perfect world So what exactly is your opinion? Should race-related crimes be punished more severely, and, if so, why?

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by WithStamin
So what exactly is your opinion? Should race-related crimes be punished more severely, and, if so, why?

no, race crimes should not be punished more severly, a murder is a murder, whether it involves different races should have nothing to do with how severe the punishment is

[amishman]

Originally posted by cal1082
No, they shouldn't. The only reason they have them (in my opinion) is because it is made a bigger deal when a black person is ran over by a white man, rather than a white hitting a white, or black hitting a black. This somehow shows how racism still exist to extremes and should be punished worst. It a load of crap. They should all be punished the same.

Exactly, I hate how those laws only apply to the minority. If a black person killed a white person out of pure racial reasons, no one would have enough guts to say anything. Once you say anything about race, you get Jesse Jackson jumping to the scene. Political correctness has tainted our society. I believe it only applies/protects the minority.

Originally posted by WithStamin
Right. Aren't all crimes hateful?

Yeah, I don't like that term either. If it is a hate crime, then what crime is done in love?

[evil zach]

Any crime done for racial reasons or because of ones gender or sexuality should be conciderd a hate crime. Weather that means a black man killing a white man for being white, a whit man killing a black man for being black, a green straigt woman killing a plaid gay man for being gay, etc. You see my point? Unfortunatly This isn't the case, so I guess I don't support hate crime laws.

[therealhebm]

also, what if there is a hate crime, but race has nothing to do with the crime. example: what if a perfectly unracist white man beats a black man. not because hes black, but for another unrelated to race reason; maybe he owes him money. now he would get a much harsher sentencne than if he just beat up another white man if he owed money instead. dont get me worng if you break the law u go to jail no matter who you do the crime against. but not all black on white or white on black crimes are "hate" crimes

[amishman]

Originally posted by evil zach
Any crime done for racial reasons or because of ones gender or sexuality should be conciderd a hate crime. Weather that means a black man killing a white man for being white, a whit man killing a black man for being black, a green straigt woman killing a plaid gay man for being gay, etc. You see my point? Unfortunatly This isn't the case, so I guess I don't support hate crime laws.

Wow, a topic I agree with you on. It's kinda scary...

[evil zach]

I thik for it to be concidered a hate crime it has to be proven it was for racial reasons, but I'm not sure.

[bossydacow]

hate crimes do not soley apply to race. It also applies to gender, sexual orientation, nationality, and religion.

"The National Institute of Mental Health has funded the first major study of the consequences of hate crimes on victims, narrowing in on anti-gay hate crimes. Preliminary research indicates that hate crimes have more serious psychological effects than non-bias motivated crimes." from Infoplease.com

Dr. Jack McDevitt, a criminologist, stated, "Hate crimes are message crimes. They are different from other crimes in that the offender is sending a message to members of a certain group that they are unwelcome."

If what these people are saying is true, then I think the hate crime policy should remain intact. If what they are saying isn't true, then the laws should be reassessed.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
Any crime done for racial reasons or because of ones gender or sexuality should be conciderd a hate crime. Weather that means a black man killing a white man for being white, a whit man killing a black man for being black, a green straigt woman killing a plaid gay man for being gay, etc. You see my point? Unfortunatly This isn't the case, so I guess I don't support hate crime laws. So should "hate crimes" have a greater punishment than other crimes? I don't think so. You still killed a person; it doesn't make any more or less wrong if you killed him for his color.

[evil zach]

On the same token could I not ask should their be a harsher punishment for threatening the presidents life as opposed to just an oridinary person?

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
On the same token could I not ask should their be a harsher punishment for threatening the presidents life as opposed to just an oridinary person? Yes, there should be a harsher punishment. The President is an elected official essential to the operation and continuted operation of the nation. You get special rights if you're the president. :)

[evil zach]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Whatever happened to "all men are created equal"?

[Matthew]

Originally posted by bossydacow
hate crimes do not soley apply to race. It also applies to gender, sexual orientation, nationality, and religion.

"The National Institute of Mental Health has funded the first major study of the consequences of hate crimes on victims, narrowing in on anti-gay hate crimes. Preliminary research indicates that hate crimes have more serious psychological effects than non-bias motivated crimes." from Infoplease.com

Dr. Jack McDevitt, a criminologist, stated, "Hate crimes are message crimes. They are different from other crimes in that the offender is sending a message to members of a certain group that they are unwelcome."

If what these people are saying is true, then I think the hate crime policy should remain intact. If what they are saying isn't true, then the laws should be reassessed.

I agree. I also like how nobody refutes the kid with evidence to back up his point, becaue they know they have none.

The harsher the punishments for crimes, the better. So if "hate crimes" occasionally put undue sentencing on a violent criminal, I dont care. The moral: If your going to hit somebody you better make damn sure they are the same color as you.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by ScreamoEMOBoy
The moral: If your going to hit somebody you better make damn sure they are the same color as you. Don't you see that this is just intensifying racial tension and making a inpenitrable barrier between us and peaceful coexistance with other races? Sure, it's bad to hit someone, and it should be punished. However, the specific reason shouldn't factor into the punishment. They are different from other crimes in that the offender is sending a message to members of a certain group that they are unwelcome. So what?? If you kill a mob leader, that's telling a mob that they're unwelcome. If someone's feelings are hurt, that's too bad, but you shouldn't have to pay more if someone is oversensitive.The harsher the punishments for crimes, the better. I agree. However, the punishment should be consistant.

[ms y o o n]

im gonna have to say that killing is killing. who cares what the motive was... you just got rid of someone's life. and its lame how certain people get lesser punishments than others. it makes no sense.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
im gonna have to say that killing is killing. who cares what the motive was... you just got rid of someone's life. and its lame how certain people get lesser punishments than others. it makes no sense.
but then what about capital punishment? (your answers would help me with my debate in 2 days :D ;) )

Murder is wrong in all cases. Capital punishment puts us as a soceity down to the levels of the killers, and we are better, i hope, then that. Its also the easy way out, 40 or 50 yrs in prison is true punishment.

My stance on Capital Punishment, comes from a belief that i have. I would never ask another person to do something that i my self wouldn't be able to do, so i could never ask a prison offical to put a prisoner to death, because i my self could not kill another human being.



Also with there hate crime ALL CRIMES ARE HATE crimes. Special hate crimes law only alienate others and breed racism. Sexual prefrence and skin color do not allow you special rights.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
im gonna have to say that killing is killing. who cares what the motive was... you just got rid of someone's life. and its lame how certain people get lesser punishments than others. it makes no sense.

you edited? why?

[yeat182]

i am shocked that nearly everyone agrees on a topic...and yes, i think "hate crimes" are a joke, a crime is a crime, does it really matter if you did it because you "hate" some one, or because they looked at you funny?

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
you edited? why?
because i wrote something about capital punishment,
but as you can see i made a brand new thread on it! :)

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
because i wrote something about capital punishment,
but as you can see i made a brand new thread on it! :)

ya i saw that i cut and pasted.

[evil zach]

I've done some thinking and I think I may have a solution we can all agree on. When a hate crime is commited, the jail time should be the same as any other, but the offender should have it put in thier record that they are a hate crime offender.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
I've done some thinking and I think I may have a solution we can all agree on. When a hate crime is commited, the jail time should be the same as any other, but the offender should have it put in thier record that they are a hate crime offender.

sounds good to me

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
I've done some thinking and I think I may have a solution we can all agree on. When a hate crime is commited, the jail time should be the same as any other, but the offender should have it put in thier record that they are a hate crime offender.

How do you label what a hate crime is? A young person could rob some one on a street who is black and it could be called a hate crime where as if that kid rob a white person it would be just a regular crime. How do we judge? becaue its going to ruin there life if they have a hate crime records.


Also another problem i have is that no matter what crime an African american commits on a white person it will never be called a hate crime, and this is unfair, because it hurts some why ignoring others.

NO hate crimes law could every be equal. that is why we dont need them.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
How do you label what a hate crime is? A young person could rob some one on a street who is black and it could be called a hate crime where as if that kid rob a white person it would be just a regular crime. How do we judge? becaue its going to ruin there life if they have a hate crime records.
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its going to ruin their life just as much as a regular crime on their records. it wouldn't change their punishment, they would get the same amount of jail time as if it wasn't a hate crime, but it would follow them around, just like a sex offender.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
its going to ruin their life just as much as a regular crime on their records. it wouldn't change their punishment, they would get the same amount of jail time as if it wasn't a hate crime, but it would follow them around, just like a sex offender.

and a sex offences ruins your life, apt wont allow you to move in, jobs wont hire you (which is allowed under law right now), you wont be able to help out with your kids school, you wont be able to join he military............ect. And have a "hate crime" on your record would do the same.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
and a sex offences ruins your life, apt wont allow you to move in, jobs wont hire you (which is allowed under law right now), you wont be able to help out with your kids school, you wont be able to join he military............ect. And have a "hate crime" on your record would do the same.

yes...it would.

[BrandNewRock05]

"hate crime" in itself is racist. it separates those crimes from other crimes. in order to beat someone halfway to death, you probably hate them. therefore a hate crime would just be considered a crime.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
"hate crime" in itself is racist.

you jerk i just had to erase my post cause of that. fuck.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
you jerk i just had to erase my post cause of that. fuck.
why did you have to erase your post?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
why did you have to erase your post?

Because i was going to say something like "hate Crimes laws are racist." but you beat me to it.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Because i was going to say something like "hate Crimes laws are racist." but you beat me to it.
so i am a jerk?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
so i am a jerk?

yes you need to leave and allow me to post freely. :mad:

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
yes you need to leave and allow me to post freely. :mad:
you need to pull the cock out of your ass and stop being a dumbass

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
you need to pull the cock out of your ass and stop being a dumbass

Wow, what are you taking over jimmy carters job?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Wow, what are you taking over jimmy carters job?
No, you can call me a jerk for no reason, but when i turn around and do the same, suddenly i am at fault.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
No, you can call me a jerk for no reason, but when i turn around and do the same, suddenly i am at fault.

a jerk and you need to pull the cock out of your ass and stop being a dumbass [/QUOTE] are a little different. Also mine was obviously done in a joking manner.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
a jerk and you need to pull the cock out of your ass and stop being a dumbass are a little different. Also mine was obviously done in a joking manner. [/QUOTE]
mine was full of jest as well. yet yours was not invoked, mine was

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
are a little different. Also mine was obviously done in a joking manner.
mine was full of jest as well. yet yours was not invoked, mine was [/B][/QUOTE]

Invoked? you stole my post, thats invoking enough.......................god this getting stupid.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
mine was full of jest as well. yet yours was not invoked, mine was

Invoked? you stole my post, thats invoking enough.......................god this getting stupid. [/B][/QUOTE]
who's post made it first? thats right. so technically you attempted to steal my post

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
"hate crime" in itself is racist. it separates those crimes from other crimes. in order to beat someone halfway to death, you probably hate them. therefore a hate crime would just be considered a crime.

i totally agree

[evil zach]

If you want to be extreamly technical then yes. But the definition of a hate crime is one with racial, geder or sexuality related motives

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
If you want to be extreamly technical then yes. But the definition of a hate crime is one with racial, geder or sexuality related motives

Its not being extremely tech. its being truthful.


And again how do you know when something is done based on racial gender or sexual reasons.

[A_Moronic_youth]

Well we don't have this policy in england.

However, from observation isn't this "hate crime" a way of punishing two immoral actions for the price of one?

Which man is worse the man who killed 3 people or a man who killed a jew, a black man and a homosexual?

Well you can't answer that question straight off because it depends on the situation, however as a general rule would a man who is not only psychotic but a biggoted ignorant fucktard be worse than your average pscycho?

Think of a comparison between Hitler and OJ Simpson.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by A_Moronic_youth
Well we don't have this policy in england.

However, from observation isn't this "hate crime" a way of punishing two immoral actions for the price of one?

Which man is worse the man who killed 3 people or a man who killed a jew, a black man and a homosexual?

Well you can't answer that question straight off because it depends on the situation, however as a general rule would a man who is not only psychotic but a biggoted ignorant fucktard be worse than your average pscycho?

Think of a comparison between Hitler and OJ Simpson.
Oj and hitler cannot be compared because they were a good 50 years apart. however hate crimes are just a way to segregate minorities and make them feel more like outsiders, giving them more things to complain about.

[A_Moronic_youth]

How can you not make a comparison just because of the time difference? I can compare a recent Misfits album to an old one, why not Oj to Hitler?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by A_Moronic_youth
How can you not make a comparison just because of the time difference? I can compare a recent Misfits album to an old one, why not Oj to Hitler?
completely different crime and time. thats like comparing beethoven's symphany to the new bruce willis movie

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by A_Moronic_youth

Think of a comparison between Hitler and OJ Simpson.

:confused:

[BrandNewRock05]

other than they both were evil, thats about it

[charly horse]

Originally posted by HateJimmyCarter
Bingo. Labeling them "hate crimes" is a racist act. I like you too WithStamin. And BrandNewRock, and that cal182 kid. Bossydacow is a stupid fat bitch

hey u like me?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
other than they both were evil, thats about it

ya but thats still not a very good comparison.

stalin/mao and hitler

OJ and single murder killer.

would have been a better one.