capital punishment

[ms y o o n]

ok iknow i just wrote this in another thread, but i decided to make it a thread on its own.
What are your views on capital punishment
im doing a debate against it. although here in canada we abolished, im sure most of you guys are from america, so i was just wondering what you think about it! itd be nice if you helped!

[WithStamin]

I'm sure there's another thread on this in the forums. Jut look through at the older threads.

[ms y o o n]

in this section? or adifferent one..
thanks!
but its almost midnight, so i just thought i could get it right now...
but if not then oh well

[WithStamin]

Ah, found it. Here it is. (http://forum.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9956)

[ms y o o n]

thanks!!

[Safetyin#]

Murder is wrong in all cases. Capital punishment puts us as a soceity down to the levels of the killers, and we are better, i hope, then that. Its also the easy way out, 40 or 50 yrs in prison is true punishment.

My stance on Capital Punishment, comes from a belief that i have. I would never ask another person to do something that i my self wouldn't be able to do, so i could never ask a prison offical to put a prisoner to death, because i my self could not kill another human being.



Fuck the old thread we needed something new to talk about..

[ms y o o n]

heh i agree
i agree with that life imprisonment would be a lot more worse than the death penalty. Once you're dead, you're gone, (depending on what you believe) you dontk now what happened. But you're still alive, and stuck in some cell forever. or how long and that would just suck. i have arguements like the cost of it all. its so expensive, to go through ALL the trials just to figure out all the stupid things the person did, and then do decide whether to give them capital punishment. i forget my other arguemtns, but its just not right

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Murder is wrong in all cases. Capital punishment puts us as a soceity down to the levels of the killers, and we are better, i hope, then that. Its also the easy way out, 40 or 50 yrs in prison is true punishment.

My stance on Capital Punishment, comes from a belief that i have. I would never ask another person to do something that i my self wouldn't be able to do, so i could never ask a prison offical to put a prisoner to death, because i my self could not kill another human being.



Fuck the old thread we needed something new to talk about..
Ending someones life is worth more than 50 years in the big house. If it were up to me I would let murderers live in a tiny room in the deepest cold of Alaska. 2 meager meals a day, just enough to keep them alive, and every 15 minutes they are electricuted by cattle prods, then punched in the face several times. Then they are woken up in the wee hours of the night to go out and do pointless work. I mean they took someone's life in cold blood. But since that is considered "cruel and unusuall" death penalty is the next best thing

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Ending someones life is worth more than 50 years in the big house. If it were up to me I would let murderers live in a tiny room in the deepest cold of Alaska. 2 meager meals a day, just enough to keep them alive, and every 15 minutes they are electricuted by cattle prods, then punched in the face several times. Then they are woken up in the wee hours of the night to go out and do pointless work. I mean they took someone's life in cold blood. But since that is considered "cruel and unusuall" death penalty is the next best thing

so your basically a nazis? right^.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean

i agree with that life imprisonment would be a lot more worse than the death penalty. Once you're dead, you're gone, (depending on what you believe) you dontk now what happened. But you're still alive, and stuck in some cell forever.

and they get butt raped too. Thats way worse than dying. I'm against the death penalty.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
so your basically a nazis? right^.
no, basically im for punishing criminals. time outs are bull shit. thats what jail is nowadays. just a big time out

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
no, basically im for punishing criminals. time outs are bull shit. thats what jail is nowadays. just a big time out

im not sure you know what jail is like, its not like OZ on TV.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
im not sure you know what jail is like, its not like OZ on TV.
i dont have HBO

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
i dont have HBO
but some jails do (lol)

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
im not sure you know what jail is like, its not like OZ on TV.

do you watch Oz? I saw it once, and I guy got butt raped. I have seriously never recovered from that.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
do you watch Oz? I saw it once, and I guy got butt raped. I have seriously never recovered from that.
jail is a cake walk compared to what the victims of the crime had to go through

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
jail is a cake walk compared to what the victims of the crime had to go through

That maybe to a point, but we are better people then those that commit the crimes, and we need to act like it, murder is an easy way out (much like in abortions).

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
That maybe to a point, but we are better people then those that commit the crimes, and we need to act like it, murder is an easy way out (much like in abortions).
except that abortions kill innocent children and capital punishment gets rid of criminals. there really is no comparison between the two

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
except that abortions kill innocent children and capital punishment gets rid of criminals. there really is no comparison between the two

When your speak about us as a society there IS, we are above murder, we are intelligent enough to know that killing other human beings for no gain is wrong.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
When your speak about us as a society there IS, we are above murder, we are intelligent enough to know that killing other human beings for no gain is wrong.
except there is a gain in capital punishment

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
except there is a gain in capital punishment

What? Do you really think the families are better off? Our we as a socety better off with one more empty jail cell?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
What? Do you really think the families are better off? Our we as a socety better off with one more empty jail cell?
ridding society of a threat
opening a jail cell
punishment
closure for the families

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
ridding society of a threat
opening a jail cell
punishment
closure for the families

1. Prison does that.
2. Yes it does this by costing the tax payers millions and millions of dollars.
3. Prison, Maximum Security, does ths.
4. Nothing will EVER bring closure to the families, and an eye for an eye is not the way civilized cultures work.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
1. Prison does that.
2. Yes it does this by costing the tax payers millions and millions of dollars.
3. Prison, Maximum Security, does ths.
4. Nothing will EVER bring closure to the families, and an eye for an eye is not the way civilized cultures work.
1.Jailbreak
2.How much does a cell cost?
3.Its free housing and food, not punishment
4.Its the most closure possible

[bossydacow]

regardless of whether the death penalty is worthy punishment, its a fact that the death penalty doesn't lower crime, so its just unnecessary.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
regardless of whether the death penalty is worthy punishment, its a fact that the death penalty doesn't lower crime, so its just unnecessary.
neither does jailing someone, so is that unnecessary?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
neither does jailing someone, so is that unnecessary?

jail time does lower the crime rate. How high would it be if there was no punishment for ones actions? It would be anarchy in the streets.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
jail time does lower the crime rate. How high would it be if there was no punishment for ones actions? It would be anarchy in the streets.
yes, but the jails are way too full. we are having to let the lesser crimes get off easy. why? we have sex offenders and murders clogging up the joint. kill em off, make more room

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
yes, but the jails are way too full. we are having to let the lesser crimes get off easy. why? we have sex offenders and murders clogging up the joint. kill em off, make more room

But it costs shit load more money, why dont we take the millions and millions of dollars it cost to execute some one and build more jail or develpe more classes to help convicts so they wont return to jail clogging it up.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
But it costs shit load more money, why dont we take the millions and millions of dollars it cost to execute some one and build more jail or develpe more classes to help convicts so they wont return to jail clogging it up.
you know how much a single round from a 9mm costs? why spend millions on lethal injections, bullet to the head is much cheaper. and another question. why do they sanitize a needle before they inject you with the letal dose? isnt that kind of pointless

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
you know how much a single round from a 9mm costs? why spend millions on lethal injections, bullet to the head is much cheaper. and another question. why do they sanitize a needle before they inject you with the letal dose? isnt that kind of pointless

well you have fun tring to get any of those ideas to ever pass.

[Safetyin#]

YOu are aware that innocent people have been put to death, and most of that millions and milions of dollars goes to court costs to make sure we have the right man or woman.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
well you have fun tring to get any of those ideas to ever pass.
well we are using capital punishment as of now, so its not a complete loss

[therealhebm]

bro, jail isnt the resort u make it out to be.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
well we are using capital punishment as of now, so its not a complete loss
only in 27 states i think.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
only in 27 states i think.
majority

[kidinthecorner]

The legal system needs to be re-done. Its fucked up and a huge waste as it is now. It takes 45 re-trials and millions to convict one person, which is the biggest waste ever. I have no idea how it truely works and what a better way is, but something needs to be done.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
The legal system needs to be re-done. Its fucked up and a huge waste as it is now. It takes 45 re-trials and millions to convict one person, which is the biggest waste ever. I have no idea how it truely works and what a better way is, but something needs to be done.
the leathal injection is just stupid. its far to expensive. there are many other ways to kill someone. just shoot the person up with salt-water. a lot of salt water. all of his blood cells will shrivel up and he dies. cost of execution, virtually free. then reuse the needle. or how much does 10 feet of rope cost? cheap. and again a single bullet to the temple. cheap. rules should be one trial. after that one appeal. max. you are done after that. good night

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
jail time does lower the crime rate. How high would it be if there was no punishment for ones actions? It would be anarchy in the streets.

actually countries which got rid of the capital punishment murder rates are lower than the countries which have it.
i'll get proof

while im at it.. here are something other things.. it freakin costs so much
the average cost on an execution in U.S is 3 million, while life imprisonment is 500, 000. (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0525-06.htm)

canada's rate has dropped 27% since we abolished it.

one more..
Canada's murder rate is 1.8 per 100, 000 and in the same year in USA, the rate was 5.7 per 100, 000...


# of murders in CAnada in 2001 is 554, 8 more than in 2000, but 167 fewer than in 1975, which is the year before capital punishment was abolished. (people knew it was going to be abolished due to arugments and such, so.. yaaa)
anyways some of these may be irrelevant, but i like to sound smart.. heh

[BrandNewRock05]

so this dumbass should live?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/04/28/sprj.dcsp.malvo.hearing/index.html
how do you laugh at something as horrific as this

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
1.Jailbreak
2.How much does a cell cost?
3.Its free housing and food, not punishment
4.Its the most closure possible

1. Almost never happen, except when funding isn't up to standards and there aren't enough prison guards, maybe do to much money being spent on executions.

2. Keeping a prisoner in jail is about 60 to 75$ a day.
prison 68$ x 365 x 40yrs = 992,800$
execution cost on average 3,000,000$
which is better for the tax payer?

3. Prison isn't just free food and housing. I hope you dont believe that.

4. You really think lowering themselves to the killers level is closure?

[Curry]

Who gives a dam how much it cost to for the state to kill someone, eye for and I tooth for a tooth, if one of my loved ones is murdered, i want them dead, do getting the chance to, breath in prison

[FScott]

Having been the only person here to actually serve time in a state prison let me tell you, theres a little gay in everybody. You just have to dig deep enough to appreciate the fruits

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Murder is wrong in all cases. Capital punishment puts us as a soceity down to the levels of the killers, and we are better, i hope, then that. Its also the easy way out, 40 or 50 yrs in prison is true punishment.

My stance on Capital Punishment, comes from a belief that i have. I would never ask another person to do something that i my self wouldn't be able to do, so i could never ask a prison offical to put a prisoner to death, because i my self could not kill another human being.



Fuck the old thread we needed something new to talk about..

In my opinion, he pins the tale directly on the donkey. I applaud you. I think exactly the same.

[lightcollapse]

the leathal injection is just stupid. its far to expensive. there are many other ways to kill someone. just shoot the person up with salt-water. a lot of salt water. all of his blood cells will shrivel up and he dies. cost of execution, virtually free. then reuse the needle. or how much does 10 feet of rope cost? cheap. and again a single bullet to the temple. cheap. rules should be one trial. after that one appeal. max. you are done after that. good night

what a dumbass.

theres a reason we have millions of trials. because there is no price on a life. if you have one trial and one appeal, and they find new evidence later, an innocent man is dead and theres nothing anybody can do about it. there should be a better method than a lethal injection, but, i'm no expert. one trial though? are you mentally retarded?

[gillianhsieh]

actually based on empirical evidence, family members do not normally feel better knowing that the criminal is dead. plus maximum security prisons are like hell essentially, i don't know why you wouldn't feel better that the criminal is spending the rest of their life there. they're not like martha stewart prison. they're like federal do me in the butt and smash my face in with a toilet seat prison (Jeffrey Dahmer's life ended like that).

injecting someone with saltwater and watching them go into shock is fucking inhumane. you might argue that criminals aren't humane people, but how would you feel for the person who has to administer that? or knowing that the state is so callous and ruthless? an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth is vengeance which is somethign that i hope that civilized people wouldn't seek. conversely, life in prison serves justice while preserving the punisher's virtue.

[MLLMillenium]

An eye for a fucking eye. There should be nothing else to it.

[Love As Arson]

The fact that innocents may die at the hands of this imperfect system is reason enough for it to be abolished.