Max Bemis's religious views

[ValleyForge]

I know that Max was a jew but I've heard that he converted to Christianity. Is this true? Some lyrics on the new CD, especially Cemetery lead me to believe it is. Anyone have a link to an interview about it?

[FullCollaspe]

Does it really matter?

[Regards]

Next thing you know they're going to start praying at shows and all sorts of people are going to be up in arms.

[ValleyForge]

It does kind of matter. Is it wrong to be interested about the life of one of my favorite artists? Him converting from Judaism to Christianity is kinda a big deal in his life if it's true. It has totally affected his lyrics for one thing.

[LastDeclaration]

He discussed it in the video chat linked from the home page. Check that out if you want his views in his own words.

If I remember correctly, he said that he believes in both Judaism and Christianity...? I don't know exactly what he meant, I kinda drifted during that part. I'm guessing that he values the virtues and morals of both religions or something like that. :shrug: He definitely didn't convert though. He said he's still a dirty Jew, and that Judaism holds an important place in his life.

[WakeUpBlondie]

At the end of the day (in my opinion) if you're staunch about any religion, you're just plain ignorant.

[ValleyForge]

He discussed it in the video chat linked from the home page. Check that out if you want his views in his own words.

If I remember correctly, he said that he believes in both Judaism and Christianity...? I don't know exactly what he meant, I kinda drifted during that part. I'm guessing that he values in the virtues and morals of both religions or something like that. :shrug: He definitely didn't convert though. He said he's still a dirty Jew, and that Judaism holds an important place in his life.

Thanks! That's all I wanted to know, I'll def check out that video.

[lukenelson]

i think that Sherri is into Christianity, so that might have an effect on what he believes now. Sad but true.

[ValleyForge]

Well, if she strongly believes in Christianity (not saying that this is right or wrong) she is commanded by Christ to share the gospel with Max. I don't see how it's sad...she would have to hate him a whole bunch to have (what she believes to be) the key to eternity and not tell him about it.

[Brand-new-123]

Next thing you know they're going to start praying at shows and all sorts of people are going to be up in arms.
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahaa

[Jake Denning]

if The Acacia Strain can tour with 3 Christian bands (August Burns Red, Mychildren Mybride and Impending Doom) and not care about religion, then why should anyone else?

I like Story of The Year; All Atheists. I think people are getting way too bent out of shape of the religion (or lack of) of a band or artist.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

Does it really matter?

x80

[|adr3naLine|]

For some reason I wanna see he's like, into religion in general, but doesn't get too specific in which one.

[Matt Chylak]

fuck this thread

[atticus18244fss]

pffffff religion X-) what a joke

[maxvsmaradona]

Mark this one down under "Who Gives A Fuck?"

[Machu505]

Mmhmm.

Also, isn't Judaism technically a branch of Christianity?
Idiot.

[Brand-new-123]

Mmhmm.

Also, isn't Judaism technically a branch of Christianity?
http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/7282/original/Facepalm.jpg

[mulcahy67]

well, he clearly states in "Hate Everyone" that hes down with JC, and he ain't talking about JC Chasez.

[Machu505]

Like Bob Dylan, Max Bemis's conversion from Jewdom to Christianity has ruined his music.

Thanks Jesus. For everything.

[UnderMyDreams]

Anyone who says it doesnt matter, well it kind of does.

If it effects his life, his lyrics, and his music that kinda matters to fans who like his music, don't you think?

[WhatJulianSaid]

Mmhmm.

Also, isn't Judaism technically a branch of Christianity?

wow......
major LOL
anyway religion causes mostly war/conflicts, now how do you like them forbidden apples?

[Burn That Shit]

Anyone who says it doesnt matter, well it kind of does.

If it effects his life, his lyrics, and his music that kinda matters to fans who like his music, don't you think?

So why can't his fans just listen to the music and decide whether they like it or not?

[nashiscash1324]

x77

;-)

[thebestkylever]

Mark this one down under "Who Gives A Fuck?"

obviously, in the broad scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. but like any other personal issue in his life, it can obviously affect his music, thus making it of some relevance to the fans. like for instance, his personal relationships have played a huge part in his music, and i for one liked say anything better when he was jack hammering molly conely, as opposed to now, as he cuddles his perfectly sane wife. that said, i still enjoy the man's music on many levels, and am more than happy he has found happiness.

[gr33ndayfr3ak]

Idiot.

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/7282/original/Facepalm.jpg

wow......
major LOL
anyway religion causes mostly war/conflicts, now how do you like them forbidden apples?

:hitself: I need to go to bed...

[anamericangod]

i think that Sherri is into Christianity, so that might have an effect on what he believes now. Sad but true.

Shut up.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Mmhmm.

Also, isn't Judaism technically a branch of Christianity?

Yes, you have the chronological order down my friend


/thread

[gr33ndayfr3ak]

Yes, you have the chronological order down my friend


/thread

:hitself: I need to go to bed...

But at least you were nice about it..

[Sic Transit Zeb]

;-)

hhah

I wish I would of done that.

[pleasedontpanic]

People are sad.

[zion the lion]

Jesus sucks all of the great stuff out of music clearly. Boo jesus, boo.

[murrich]

Like Bob Dylan, Max Bemis's conversion from Jewdom to Christianity has ruined his music.

Thanks Jesus. For everything.

It was ruined before he converted.

[BrennanHickson]

He defined his religious views as "very spiritual" on the AP.net video chat on Friday. He explained a little about it, but even if you had a conversation with someone about their religious views for hours, there would still be more to know.

[Machu505]

He defined his religious views as "very spiritual" on the AP.net video chat on Friday. He explained a little about it, but even if you had a conversation with someone about their religious views for hours, there would still be more to know.
So he's a girl in her early 20s?

[Machu505]

Jesus sucks all of the great stuff out of music clearly. Boo jesus, boo.
I'd say that for the 20th/21st century, the influence of LSD on music has been better than the influence of Jesus.

[Big_Guy]

I'd say that for the 20th/21st century, the influence of LSD on music has been better than the influence of Jesus.
that's obvious. what band is good because they are religious? none

[xJesusFreakx]

Max believes that Jesus would kick Dave (The Personist) in the balls.

[SincerelyMe]

"Jesus died a jew..."

[Colorblind!]

Max believes that Jesus would kick Dave (The Personist) in the balls.

Only response in the thread that matters.

So many people are "WHO GIVES A FUCK"-ing, which is stupid. If this is somebodies favorite band and you were a fan of the band/interested in the members who play the music you love, the things they believe might carry a little weight. If you respect the artists you listen to, there's nothing wrong with taking an interest in the belief systems that influence the lyrics.

[kearn1tm]

You guys are missing the big question and that question is this:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb296/tnawrestlingfan/ic-rock01st-1.jpg

What is The Rock's (pictured here following his first Intercontinental Title victory over Owen Hart at the February 1997 In Your House PPV) religion?

[xJesusFreakx]

You guys are missing the big question and that question is this:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb296/tnawrestlingfan/ic-rock01st-1.jpg

What is The Rock's (pictured here following his first Intercontinental Title victory over Owen Hart at the February 1997 In Your House PPV) religion?

You seem to be having a sort of obsession with The Rock as of late.

[Burn That Shit]

Well he is the most electrifying athlete in sports entertainment, after all.

[kearn1tm]

You seem to be having a sort of obsession with The Rock as of late.

I'm a closeted (no pun intended) pro-wrestling fan, and my local rental place started carrying WWE DVDs, so I've been watching a retrospective on Rock's career...

...or he's just awesome. Take your pick.

[kearn1tm]

Well he is the most electrifying athlete in sports entertainment, after all.

Yes, but Shawn Michaels is the showstopper, the icon, Mr. Wrestlemania, lest we forget of his greatness.

[jettison]

Does it really matter?
Typical asshole response. Yes it matters to the OP. He is curious as it pertains to the meanings of Max's songs.

[xJesusFreakx]

I'm a closeted (no pun intended) pro-wrestling fan, and my local rental place started carrying WWE DVDs, so I've been watching a retrospective on Rock's career...

...or he's just awesome. Take your pick.

I've never been much of a wrestling fan, but all your wrestling talk is reminding me of how much I miss playing all the Smackdown (eventually Smackdown vs Raw) games for PS2 with my brother since the start, I think until 2006. We had a crazy point system for ranking our created characters that worked great, except for the fact that calculations sometimes took as long as the matches. We had monthly pay per views, championship belts and everything.

Look, you got me all nostalgic.

[Jamos4184]

if The Acacia Strain can tour with 3 Christian bands (August Burns Red, Mychildren Mybride and Impending Doom) and not care about religion, then why should anyone else?

I like Story of The Year; All Atheists. I think people are getting way too bent out of shape of the religion (or lack of) of a band or artist.


Actually, I've heard Phil Sneed is a Christian.

[Burn That Shit]

Yes, but Shawn Michaels is the showstopper, the icon, Mr. Wrestlemania, lest we forget of his greatness.

The rock had way better entrance music though.

eCtWso-awaU

vs.

PpEr3DwgI5I

Actually, I take it back. That Shawn Michaels theme is just incredible.

[anthonydarko]

I honestly don't see how that matters. Get over yourself OP.

[ruffian]

Yes, but Shawn Michaels is the showstopper, the icon, Mr. Wrestlemania, lest we forget of his greatness.

the biggest question:

http://cdn3.ioffer.com/img/item/109/377/439/2w59LIivVYXqJwq.jpg

or

https://maniacjoe.com/products/dx1_photo.jpg

[zion the lion]

I'd say that for the 20th/21st century, the influence of LSD on music has been better than the influence of Jesus.

I dont know of too many artists who openly used LSD while making their music in the past 9 years.

[jmirand1]

He discussed it in the video chat linked from the home page. Check that out if you want his views in his own words.

If I remember correctly, he said that he believes in both Judaism and Christianity...? I don't know exactly what he meant, I kinda drifted during that part. I'm guessing that he values the virtues and morals of both religions or something like that. :shrug: He definitely didn't convert though. He said he's still a dirty Jew, and that Judaism holds an important place in his life.

Yeah I know a few people like that. Doesn't really make sense to me, though, since one of the main postulates of Judaism is that we're still waiting for a messiah and, obviously, that is not compatible with Christianity (Jesus=Messiah.)

[jmirand1]

So he's a girl in her early 20s?

Haha that's what I was thinking. The other day in class all these people started talking about how they were "spiritual but not religious." Such yuppie bullshit.

[himynameisjohn3]

Yeah I know a few people like that. Doesn't really make sense to me, though, since one of the main postulates of Judaism is that we're still waiting for a messiah and, obviously, that is not compatible with Christianity (Jesus=Messiah.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Jews

[Charles777]

I honestly can't think of one reason to care about this.

[jmirand1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Jews

Yeah yeah I know about this.

[briewer]

DEGENERATION X.

x

[briewer]

Like Bob Dylan, Max Bemis's conversion from Jewdom to Christianity has ruined his music.

Thanks Jesus. For everything.
Don't compare Dylan to Bemis.

[kearn1tm]

I've never been much of a wrestling fan, but all your wrestling talk is reminding me of how much I miss playing all the Smackdown (eventually Smackdown vs Raw) games for PS2 with my brother since the start, I think until 2006. We had a crazy point system for ranking our created characters that worked great, except for the fact that calculations sometimes took as long as the matches. We had monthly pay per views, championship belts and everything.

Look, you got me all nostalgic.

Thanks for reminding me how fucking poor I was as to not have a videogame system as a kid. Ass!

(yeah, SD was a rad game, but, you know, calculating a point system that's as long as matches my hamper my enjoyment, but if you guys did it, more power to you)

The rock had way better entrance music though.

eCtWso-awaU

vs.

PpEr3DwgI5I

Actually, I take it back. That Shawn Michaels theme is just incredible.

Firstly, that Michaels video is of poor quality. Secondly, it's merely of the Titantron video, while Rock's is a fanmade collection of clips, so the presentation is much better with that Rock one. Thirdly, Shawn's song is the greatest! He's a Sexy Boy! It tells you everything you need to know!

[deFobbed14yrs]

he said in that chat thing that he believes in a modern version of Christianity. dunno forgot everything he said but i remember that part

[kearn1tm]

the biggest question:

http://cdn3.ioffer.com/img/item/109/377/439/2w59LIivVYXqJwq.jpg

or

https://maniacjoe.com/products/dx1_photo.jpg

HBK of 1996 > HBK of 2009 (with a caveat that, at 44 years of age, Shawn's still one of the best in-ring performers in the business, and despite his body being torn down to such an extreme, he's reinvented his ringwork to have great matches without further decimating his body. That man is a wrestling god).

DEGENERATION X.

x

You really don't get it, do you?

Don't compare Dylan to Bemis.

Aren't they the same dude?

[kearn1tm]

he said in that chat thing that he believes in a modern version of Christianity. dunno forgot everything he said but i remember that part

Wait, he believes in the modern day (2009) Christian? Is he a modern day Christian?

[You Vandal]

came in to say, 'who gives a shit' but it looks like others beat me to it.

[briewer]

You really don't get it, do you?
No. :-(

Aren't they the same dude?
Oh yeah, you're right. I confused Dylan with the lead singer of Hootie and the Blowfish. Carry on.

[kearn1tm]

No. :-(

http://www.hulu.com/watch/105340/ecw-tue-oct-27-2009

Fast forward to about the thirty minute mark. That's what it's all about.


Oh yeah, you're right. I confused Dylan with the lead singer of Hootie and the Blowfish. Carry on.

That was the guy who sang in Hinder, right?

[briewer]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/105340/ecw-tue-oct-27-2009

Fast forward to about the thirty minute mark. That's what it's all about.
I don't have all the time in the world to be fast-forwarding to thirty minute marks, Todd. What do I look like, a VCR?

/MadTV

That was the guy who sang in Hinder, right?
Yeah, but for only one album. Now they have that guy that Edward Norton kicked the shit out of in Fight Club.

(Seeing Jared Leto get his teeth kicked in was probably the single greatest moment in American cinema.)

[kearn1tm]

Mistake!

[kearn1tm]

I don't have all the time in the world to be fast-forwarding to thirty minute marks, Todd. What do I look like, a VCR?

/MadTV

Sorry I didn't catch the reference. I watch SNL like an adult!


Yeah, but for only one album. Now they have that guy that Edward Norton kicked the shit out of in Fight Club.

(Seeing Jared Leto get his teeth kicked in was probably the single greatest moment in American cinema.)

I've never seen this movie! OH MY GOD!

I did like that song they sang though about being rockstars and not eating. That was pretty xtrme!

[briewer]

Okay guy. You were supposed to quote me, get slightly indignant and say "yeah, he is," which sets up this joke/bit of awesomeness:

xP34NDNJzUA&feature=related

Christian's so fucking rad.
Your persistence with a joke is admirable.

[briewer]

I've never seen this movie! OH MY GOD!

I did like that song they sang though about being rockstars and not eating. That was pretty xtrme!
You didn't miss much. Seeing Jared Leto's face turned into this is the only good thing I got out of it:

http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/04/49/11/044911_ph11.jpg

[kearn1tm]

Your persistence with a joke is admirable.

I just want to spread the love of a pseudo-sport most commonly associated with rednecks (of which I am one! Fuck this sweater vest, where's my plaid shirts. Oh wait, that's hipster shit now!)

If you've taken anything from me in this thread, I hope it's this:

1.) "Stone Cold" Steve Austin was known as the "bionic redneck."
2.) Jessie Lacey has a proclivity for wearing plaid shirts, making him a redneck.
3.) Shawn Michaels is the best mainstream, American wrestler of the last twenty years (Misawa would be the best in the world in the last twenty years).
4.) Christian is the raddest mother fucker on the planet.
5.) I still don't know of any brYan?
6.) I am in Hinder.

[briewer]

I just want to spread the love of a pseudo-sport most commonly associated with rednecks (of which I am one! Fuck this sweater vest, where's my plaid shirts. Oh wait, that's hipster shit now!)

If you've taken anything from me in this thread, I hope it's this:

1.) "Stone Cold" Steve Austin was known as the "bionic redneck."
2.) Jessie Lacey has a proclivity for wearing plaid shirts, making him a redneck.
3.) Shawn Michaels is the best mainstream, American wrestler of the last twenty years (Misawa would be the best in the world in the last twenty years).
4.) Christian is the raddest mother fucker on the planet.
5.) I still don't know of any brYan?
6.) I am in Hinder.
Oh, I thought I saw on what I think is an album cover I found just now after googling "Hinder":

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af89/devil666king/American%20Punkers/hinder.jpg

(This is where I would have photoshopped you into this picture if, you know, I owned Photoshop like some kind of jerk.)

[kearn1tm]

Oh, I thought I saw on what I think is an album cover I found just now after googling "Hinder":

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af89/devil666king/American%20Punkers/hinder.jpg

(This is where I would have photoshopped you into this picture if, you know, I owned Photoshop like some kind of jerk.)

Only rednecks own Photoshop, who do you think in every Steve Austin promo pic, his face has been airbrushed onto Jesse Lacey's body?

http://fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/stone-cold-steve-austin.jpg

Yeah, that's really Lacey's massive pecs. Those rednecks and their plaid photoshop.

[kearn1tm]

Also, every member of Hinder in that cover art look gayer than me, and I actively have sex with men on a regular basis.

[deFobbed14yrs]

Wait, he believes in the modern day (2009) Christian? Is he a modern day Christian?


fuck if i know, i just said his view of christianity is a modern version

[briewer]

Where are you Todd? You've been given your opening!

[kearn1tm]

fuck if i know, i just said his view of christianity is a modern version

So he's devout and a believer in Christian. A peep, you might say?

xP34NDNJzUA&feature=related

Booyah!

[deFobbed14yrs]

So he's devout and a believer in Christian. A peep, you might say?

xP34NDNJzUA&feature=related

Booyah!


haha

[briewer]

:overhead:

[Praetor]

I'd say that for the 20th/21st century, the influence of LSD on music has been better than the influence of Jesus.
Exactly, drugs > Jesus.

[cirerelleum]

So he's devout and a believer in Christian. A peep, you might say?

xP34NDNJzUA&feature=related

Booyah!

the best song soty has done since their 2nd album.

[kearn1tm]

the best song soty has done since their 2nd album.

How dare you make this about some song. It's about Christian. Christian.

[xJesusFreakx]

Thanks for reminding me how fucking poor I was as to not have a videogame system as a kid. Ass!

(yeah, SD was a rad game, but, you know, calculating a point system that's as long as matches my hamper my enjoyment, but if you guys did it, more power to you)

It would have been a great system if we could have made a program to calculate it for us. We're planning on having another pay per view over Thanksgiving for old time's sake without the points, though. I'm definitely pumped.

Fun fact (that you won't care about): My brother's one character, Crossblade, had the Benoit theme in every game for years. When that whole murder-suicide thing went down, one of our first thoughts was, "Great, what's Crossblade going to come out to next game?"

[kearn1tm]

It would have been a great system if we could have made a program to calculate it for us. We're planning on having another pay per view over Thanksgiving for old time's sake without the points, though. I'm definitely pumped.

You better win. Wrestlers booked to win on PPVs get bonuses.

Fun fact (that you won't care about): My brother's one character, Crossblade, had the Benoit theme in every game for years. When that whole murder-suicide thing went down, one of our first thoughts was, "Great, what's Crossblade going to come out to next game?"

Ha! It's a legitimate concern.

Actually, when I first heard (as mentioned earlier, I'm a pro-wrestling dork. I don't care for "real" sports, but guys in spandex fake-fighting does it for me, so I subscribe to this online news site and got wind of the Benoit tragedy almost immediately after he no-showed the June PPV against CM Punk), the first thing I thought was "what a selfish prick. Now the only good technical wrestler in the company is William Regal and they'll never push him."

So, honestly, I think it was super selfish on Benoit's part to off his wife, kid and himself because, as mentioned, we're severely lacking in guys with a strong technical/shoot acumen, and really, that's the most important part of that whole deal.

Fun fact (that you shoudl all care about): I'm a terrible person.

[xJesusFreakx]

You better win. Wrestlers booked to win on PPVs get bonuses.

Ha! It's a legitimate concern.

Actually, when I first heard (as mentioned earlier, I'm a pro-wrestling dork. I don't care for "real" sports, but guys in spandex fake-fighting does it for me, so I subscribe to this online news site and got wind of the Benoit tragedy almost immediately after he no-showed the June PPV against CM Punk), the first thing I thought was "what a selfish prick. Now the only good technical wrestler in the company is William Regal and they'll never push him."

So, honestly, I think it was super selfish on Benoit's part to off his wife, kid and himself because, as mentioned, we're severely lacking in guys with a strong technical/shoot acumen, and really, that's the most important part of that whole deal.

Fun fact (that you shoudl all care about): I'm a terrible person.

Indeed. How incredibly selfish of him. See, a real "People's Champion" like the Rock would never do that.

(I still think The Undertaker is going to revive Benoit one of these days for a tag team partner.)

[kearn1tm]

Indeed. How incredibly selfish of him. See, a real "People's Champion" like the Rock would never do that.

(I still think The Undertaker is going to revive Benoit one of these days for a tag team partner.)

Undertaker should revive his face first. He's 44 and looks like he's at least '60. Also, his knees are shot and he's barely mobile. Why the fuck is he World Heavyweight Champion?!

...why am I making serious statements as a reply?

[xJesusFreakx]

Undertaker should revive his face first. He's 44 and looks like he's at least '60. Also, his knees are shot and he's barely mobile. Why the fuck is he World Heavyweight Champion?!

...why am I making serious statements as a reply?

He's the World Heavyweight Champion because he's the Phenom. Duh. He was my favorite wrestler when I was in middle school and knew nothing about wrestling. Actually, that's not true. Kane was. I miss his mask.

[kearn1tm]

He's the World Heavyweight Champion because he's the Phenom. Duh. He was my favorite wrestler when I was in middle school and knew nothing about wrestling. Actually, that's not true. Kane was. I miss his mask.

Dude's a legend, and he's definitely over and lives the gimmick, in fact, he has this inspired streak from 2006-2008 where he was having the best matches of his career (admittedly, he is often paired with big guys who can't work well, so feuding with fresher talent like Orton, Edge, Batista and Shawn Michaels has provided him with opponents more capable of having good matches). I mean, Batista and Taker stole the show at 'Mania 22. A guy in his '40s and Batista (who isn't great by any means) had so much chemistry, it was amazing.

He faced Shawn at this year's Mania in March and had the best match on the card, then took five months off to hear some nagging injuries. He came back in August, immediately took the belt from CM Punk (a young, fresh-faced, over main-eventer who needs more time to solidify his status and desperately needed to establish his reign as champion) and has been horrendous since returning. His knees are in the worst shape they've been in almost twenty years and he's nearly immobile. He just shouldn't be in the main-event anymore. He'll always be over and close to the top of the card, but his role now should be using his star status to get newer guys over as upper mid-carders and main-eventers, not champion, and especially at the expense of a new main-eventer who needs the rub.

Kane's mask was rad, but that character had become stale. He became an unstoppable monster after loosing the mask initially, but the novelty of Kane regressing to his "indomitable monster" gimmick without the mask soon wore off. He's boring and his in-ring work is pedestrian at this point. He worked a lot harder in 1998/1999 when there was actually a chance he would get the belt and be placed close to the top of any given card. Now, he's just resting on his laurels and doing as much as needed to get by.

/SERIOUS WRESTLING DISCUSSION

[xJesusFreakx]

Dude's a legend, and he's definitely over and lives the gimmick, in fact, he has this inspired streak from 2006-2008 where he was having the best matches of his career (admittedly, he is often paired with big guys who can't work well, so feuding with fresher talent like Orton, Edge, Batista and Shawn Michaels has provided him with opponents more capable of having good matches). I mean, Batista and Taker stole the show at 'Mania 22. A guy in his '40s and Batista (who isn't great by any means) had so much chemistry, it was amazing.

He faced Shawn at this year's Mania in March and had the best match on the card, then took five months off to hear some nagging injuries. He came back in August, immediately took the belt from CM Punk (a young, fresh-faced, over main-eventer who needs more time to solidify his status and desperately needed to establish his reign as champion) and has been horrendous since returning. His knees are in the worst shape they've been in almost twenty years and he's nearly immobile. He just shouldn't be in the main-event anymore. He'll always be over and close to the top of the card, but his role now should be using his star status to get newer guys over as upper mid-carders and main-eventers, not champion, and especially at the expense of a new main-eventer who needs the rub.

What's CM Punk been doing since the loss? Are they feuding now? Something like that could be good for him, but if they just took the title from him and then put 'Taker against other big names, that's lame. (I like CM Punk. He's straight edge and enters to Killswitch Engage. How sick is that?)

Kane's mask was rad, but that character had become stale. He became an unstoppable monster after loosing the mask initially, but the novelty of Kane regressing to his "indomitable monster" gimmick without the mask soon wore off. He's boring and his in-ring work is pedestrian at this point. He worked a lot harder in 1998/1999 when there was actually a chance he would get the belt and be placed close to the top of any given card. Now, he's just resting on his laurels and doing as much as needed to get by.

/SERIOUS WRESTLING DISCUSSION

I remember talking to my brother before (or right after?) the removal of the mask how things like that we always wonder about and want revealed, but it's always disappointing when it finally happens.

[Burn That Shit]

Dude's a legend, and he's definitely over and lives the gimmick, in fact, he has this inspired streak from 2006-2008 where he was having the best matches of his career (admittedly, he is often paired with big guys who can't work well, so feuding with fresher talent like Orton, Edge, Batista and Shawn Michaels has provided him with opponents more capable of having good matches). I mean, Batista and Taker stole the show at 'Mania 22. A guy in his '40s and Batista (who isn't great by any means) had so much chemistry, it was amazing.

He faced Shawn at this year's Mania in March and had the best match on the card, then took five months off to hear some nagging injuries. He came back in August, immediately took the belt from CM Punk (a young, fresh-faced, over main-eventer who needs more time to solidify his status and desperately needed to establish his reign as champion) and has been horrendous since returning. His knees are in the worst shape they've been in almost twenty years and he's nearly immobile. He just shouldn't be in the main-event anymore. He'll always be over and close to the top of the card, but his role now should be using his star status to get newer guys over as upper mid-carders and main-eventers, not champion, and especially at the expense of a new main-eventer who needs the rub.

Kane's mask was rad, but that character had become stale. He became an unstoppable monster after loosing the mask initially, but the novelty of Kane regressing to his "indomitable monster" gimmick without the mask soon wore off. He's boring and his in-ring work is pedestrian at this point. He worked a lot harder in 1998/1999 when there was actually a chance he would get the belt and be placed close to the top of any given card. Now, he's just resting on his laurels and doing as much as needed to get by.

/SERIOUS WRESTLING DISCUSSION

I'm curious as to what your favorite wrestling era is? I have a bunch of old PPV tapes from around the "Invasion" and it's fun to watch sometimes.

[theguy77]

man seriously who gives a FUCK, hahaha

[Cuddleworthy]

who gives a fuck

[xJesusFreakx]

man seriously who gives a FUCK, hahaha

Late pass. Thread is about wrestling now.

[theguy77]

Late pass. Thread is about wrestling now.

my bad. should have known it was only a matter of time.

[xJesusFreakx]

my bad. should have known it was only a matter of time.

On the topic of being off topic, I'm finally getting around to downloading some Sufjan Stephens. (Surprising, I know, since he's both a great artist and a Christian, something which should have drawn me in long ago.) I'm listening to Illinois at the moment and in the process of downloading Seven Swans. I also downloaded "Come Thou Fount," which is one of my all-time favorite hymns. It makes me happy.

[Cuddleworthy]

wrestling is gayer than max bemis' religious views

[theguy77]

On the topic of being off topic, I'm finally getting around to downloading some Sufjan Stephens. (Surprising, I know, since he's both a great artist and a Christian, something which should have drawn me in long ago.) I'm listening to Illinois at the moment and in the process of downloading Seven Swans. I also downloaded "Come Thou Fount," which is one of my all-time favorite hymns. It makes me happy.

haha nice. on the topic of this thread, my religious views are more important than max's. so address my response to you in that politics thread! haha

[xJesusFreakx]

haha nice. on the topic of this thread, my religious views are more important than max's. so address my response to you in that politics thread! haha

Oh, crap. Ha, I remember reading it, being tired, and going to bed. Or maybe it was before work? Either way, sorry about that.

[kearn1tm]

What's CM Punk been doing since the loss? Are they feuding now? Something like that could be good for him, but if they just took the title from him and then put 'Taker against other big names, that's lame. (I like CM Punk. He's straight edge and enters to Killswitch Engage. How sick is that?)

I'm a huge mark for Punk. I've enjoyed him since his days in Ring of Honor (a fantastic indie wrestling league that features some of the best in-ring work in America). I don't know how up you are on the current product, but Punk turned heel and used his straight-edge gimmick to impose a sense of moral superiority over the fans. He began feuding with Jeff Hardy in the summer and beat him for the World Heavyweight Championship, and their program was predicated on Punk berating Hardy for his past (and current, if his current legal situation is any indication) drug addictions. After beating Hardy in the main-event of Summerslam (a TLC match that actually closed the show over a Cena/Orton WWE Title match for the Raw brand), Undertaker returned from a five-month exile and attacked Punk.

Punk dropped the title a month later to Undertaker. Supposedly, Punk was going to retain the title for a while, but a backstage altercation lead to Vince demanding the creative team write him out of the Championship picture for a while. 'Taker, in a tour of Europe, told Punk (this isn't kayfabe, but a real discussion backstage) that if he's the champ, he was expected to "dress as a champion" when in public as he's representing the company. Punk countered by asking "why doesn't Cena have to wear a suit and tie, then?" 'Taker, a longtime lockerroom leader and well-respected, went to Vince and complained, leading to dumb backstage politicing that resulted in Vince deciding Punk was to drop the strap to 'Taker.

It's dumb. Firstly, Punk's always had a, well, "Punk aesthetic." Having him wear a suit instead of studded belts and Misfits hoodies is completely opposed to his gimmick. Secondly, how you dress outside of work should have no bearing on your wins/losses/storylines. He was just getting over as a credible main-event heel, and Vince killed his momentum over something incredibly trivial. Ugh.

To continue the process of humbling by Vince, Punk is currently feuding with...a referee who screwed him over. It's as stupid as it sounds. Punk's one of the brighest stars in the business. Burying him is retarded.


I'm curious as to what your favorite wrestling era is? I have a bunch of old PPV tapes from around the "Invasion" and it's fun to watch sometimes.

I started watching around 1998, during the boom period. I was ten, and never "grew out of it" after WWE bought WCW and business cooled off considerably.

My favorite period, I suppose, was right after the brand split, when WWE splintered off into a Raw brand and a Smackdown brand. Raw became the "storyline-heavy" show that centered on angles and promos and the like. Smackdown became home to guys like Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio Jr., Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Brock Lesnar, Edge and the Crusierweight Division with cats like Jamie Noble, Billy Kidman, Ultimo Dragon (for a brief period of time), etc. Smackdown became more in-ring centric, with longer matches and more simplistic feuds that uses the in-ring product as the foundation. From 2002-2004, Smackdown was fantastic.

man seriously who gives a FUCK, hahaha

who gives a fuck

Who cares about The Rock? Everyone.

[kearn1tm]

wrestling is gayer than max bemis' religious views

Wrestling is gay?! Oh, because guys are rolling around in spandex. Novel! Now what's your take on airplane food? So, that Soldier Boy song, amirite?

[theguy77]

Oh, crap. Ha, I remember reading it, being tired, and going to bed. Or maybe it was before work? Either way, sorry about that.

haha its no biggie im just being my usual attention whore

[xJesusFreakx]

I'm a huge mark for Punk. I've enjoyed him since his days in Ring of Honor (a fantastic indie wrestling league that features some of the best in-ring work in America). I don't know how up you are on the current product, but Punk turned heel and used his straight-edge gimmick to impose a sense of moral superiority over the fans. He began feuding with Jeff Hardy in the summer and beat him for the World Heavyweight Championship, and their program was predicated on Punk berating Hardy for his past (and current, if his current legal situation is any indication) drug addictions. After beating Hardy in the main-event of Summerslam (a TLC match that actually closed the show over a Cena/Orton WWE Title match for the Raw brand), Undertaker returned from a five-month exile and attacked Punk.

Punk dropped the title a month later to Undertaker. Supposedly, Punk was going to retain the title for a while, but a backstage altercation lead to Vince demanding the creative team write him out of the Championship picture for a while. 'Taker, in a tour of Europe, told Punk (this isn't kayfabe, but a real discussion backstage) that if he's the champ, he was expected to "dress as a champion" when in public as he's representing the company. Punk countered by asking "why doesn't Cena have to wear a suit and tie, then?" 'Taker, a longtime lockerroom leader and well-respected, went to Vince and complained, leading to dumb backstage politicing that resulted in Vince deciding Punk was to drop the strap to 'Taker.

It's dumb. Firstly, Punk's always had a, well, "Punk aesthetic." Having him wear a suit instead of studded belts and Misfits hoodies is completely opposed to his gimmick. Secondly, how you dress outside of work should have no bearing on your wins/losses/storylines. He was just getting over as a credible main-event heel, and Vince killed his momentum over something incredibly trivial. Ugh.

To continue the process of humbling by Vince, Punk is currently feuding with...a referee who screwed him over. It's as stupid as it sounds. Punk's one of the brighest stars in the business. Burying him is retarded.

Wow, really? That's ridiculous. I'm actually kind of mad at Undertaker now. That's really just unbelievably petty and childish.

While on this topic, I heard that WWE has been getting some heat for "gay bashing." As a wrestling fan and a gay man, how do you feel about that? I don't really follow wrestling all that much, only knowing things from my friends and brother, so I don't know anything about it beyond that.

[xJesusFreakx]

haha its no biggie im just being my usual attention whore

Ha, I just got half a sentence into a response and gave up. I'm too tired to have a serious discussion about religion, if you don't mind, lol. It's on my mind now, so I should remember to respond later.

[theguy77]

Ha, I just got half a sentence into a response and gave up. I'm too tired to have a serious discussion about religion, if you don't mind, lol. It's on my mind now, so I should remember to respond later.

oh no, so am i lol. crazy weekend.

[xJesusFreakx]

oh no, so am i lol. crazy weekend.

Oh yeah? Anything particularly exciting happen that you wouldn't mind sharing w/ the AP.net world?

[Burn That Shit]

oh no, so am i lol. crazy weekend.

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/showhype/photos_large/2008/06/16/Hulk_Hogan_Pointing.jpg

TELL US ABOUT IT, BROTHER!

x

[TheOtherAndrew]

WHY IS THIS A THREAD

x

[Burn That Shit]

Is it worse that this thread was created, or that we keep bumping this thread to discuss wrestling?

[theguy77]

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/showhype/photos_large/2008/06/16/Hulk_Hogan_Pointing.jpg

TELL US ABOUT IT, BROTHER!

x

HAHAHAHA

hold on i need to stop laughing at this picture

hahahahaha
haha
hahahaha
ahahahhaah
:lol:

whew!

hahaha.

well basically i spent all night talking to a girl on the phone friday night, then i stayed up all day and then had like 6 friends over and we all got drunk, moved our couch and sofa out of the living room into the kitchen, and used the empty living room as an arena to play wall ball with socks on a hardwood floor. that shit, was epic, i still have a billion bruises all over from slipping and hitting the floor. then we spent the rest of the night loudly discussing old school nickelodeon TV shows, and as i was sobering up i listened to kid A and finally collapsed for the first time in like over 40 hours at 5 AM this morning.

[kearn1tm]

Wow, really? That's ridiculous. I'm actually kind of mad at Undertaker now. That's really just unbelievably petty and childish.

While on this topic, I heard that WWE has been getting some heat for "gay bashing." As a wrestling fan and a gay man, how do you feel about that? I don't really follow wrestling all that much, only knowing things from my friends and brother, so I don't know anything about it beyond that.

WWE had a history of racism, sexism and homophobia. It's unfortunate.

[xJesusFreakx]

HAHAHAHA

hold on i need to stop laughing at this picture

hahahahaha
haha
hahahaha
ahahahhaah
:lol:

whew!

hahaha.

well basically i spent all night talking to a girl on the phone friday night, then i stayed up all day and then had like 6 friends over and we all got drunk, moved our couch and sofa out of the living room into the kitchen, and used the empty living room as an arena to play wall ball with socks on a hardwood floor. that shit, was epic, i still have a billion bruises all over from slipping and hitting the floor. then we spent the rest of the night loudly discussing old school nickelodeon TV shows, and as i was sobering up i listened to kid A and finally collapsed for the first time in like over 40 hours at 5 AM this morning.

:rotfl:

Oh, Ryan...

[kearn1tm]

Is it worse that this thread was created, or that we keep bumping this thread to discuss wrestling?

Wrestling is important. Ryan's attempt to score vagina by talking to a girl for two years isn't!

[Burn That Shit]

HAHAHAHA

hold on i need to stop laughing at this picture

hahahahaha
haha
hahahaha
ahahahhaah
:lol:

whew!

hahaha.

well basically i spent all night talking to a girl on the phone friday night, then i stayed up all day and then had like 6 friends over and we all got drunk, moved our couch and sofa out of the living room into the kitchen, and used the empty living room as an arena to play wall ball with socks on a hardwood floor. that shit, was epic, i still have a billion bruises all over from slipping and hitting the floor. then we spent the rest of the night loudly discussing old school nickelodeon TV shows, and as i was sobering up i listened to kid A and finally collapsed for the first time in like over 40 hours at 5 AM this morning.

You are living the dream, my friend.

Wrestling is important. Ryan's attempt to score vagina by talking to a girl for two years isn't!

Oh shiiiiiit.

[theguy77]

Wrestling is important. Ryan's attempt to score vagina by talking to a girl for two years isn't!

you kidding me? my stallion is a commodity, SHE called ME. hahahaha

[kearn1tm]

you kidding me? my stallion is a commodity, SHE called ME. hahahaha

She called you to do it, or she called you to talk and you were looking for the honeypot...this is rhetorical. I don't care.

So about wrestling...

[theguy77]

She called you to do it, or she called you to talk and you were looking for the honeypot...this is rhetorical. I don't care.

So about wrestling...

i dont see how the topic is changing. LOL SIKE PHONE SECKS IS FOR LEWZERS

[kearn1tm]

i dont see how the topic is changing. LOL SIKE PHONE SECKS IS FOR LEWZERS

Having toured a handful of vaginas pre-coming out, I can say without hesitation: wrestling > vag

...wait, maybe wrestling is super gay. Someone tell whosits.

[theguy77]

Having toured a handful of vaginas pre-coming out, I can say without hesitation: wrestling > vag

...wait, maybe wrestling is super gay. Someone tell whosits.

haha so like, before you came out, did you enjoy girls? or was it like hmm... this isnt working out like it is for my future frat bros. needs moar b33r d00d

[Burn That Shit]

Having toured a handful of vaginas pre-coming out, I can say without hesitation: wrestling > vag

...wait, maybe wrestling is super gay. Someone tell whosits.

Wrestling is only gay if the balls touch.

[theguy77]

Wrestling is only gay if the balls touch.

this probably happens a lot

[Burn That Shit]

this probably happens a lot

I had friends in high school who wrestled and they said you could get weird diseases like herpes and stuff if the mats don't get cleaned. Thanks, but nooooooooooooooooo thanks.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I had friends in high school who wrestled and they said you could get weird diseases like herpes and stuff if the mats don't get cleaned. Thanks, but nooooooooooooooooo thanks.
hahahaha no joke, I know someone who caught herpes from wrestling.

[theguy77]

what the fuuuuuuuuuck hahaha not even fair to them, they're just doing a sport they love

[kearn1tm]

haha so like, before you came out, did you enjoy girls? or was it like hmm... this isnt working out like it is for my future frat bros. needs moar b33r d00d

In all seriousness, I slept with four girls in high school and did so out of a combination of a need to pass, sexual confusion, and actual, genuine care for them. It's a hole, there was friction, I got off, but, you know, there jsut wasn't any attraction. I'm not bi in the slightest, so, you know, it was a "going through the motions" things.

What I'm saying is, I'm so much of a man, a woman isn't enough for me and I need another man to spread my manliness to!

Wrestling is only gay if the balls touch.

They're far too tightly wrapped in spandex.

[Cuddleworthy]

Wrestling is gay?! Oh, because guys are rolling around in spandex. Novel! Now what's your take on airplane food? So, that Soldier Boy song, amirite?

i can't believe you like wrestling

[kearn1tm]

I had friends in high school who wrestled and they said you could get weird diseases like herpes and stuff if the mats don't get cleaned. Thanks, but nooooooooooooooooo thanks.

It's rare. I wrestled in high school for two years (insert jokes here), and we heard of a few horror stories, but it's not a common epidemic.

[kearn1tm]

i can't believe you like wrestling

How am I supposed to respond to this? Yeah, I dig Pro Wrestling. I find it fun, I like the art of telling a story through in-ring movement, I like the athleticism, and on occasion, I enjoy the retarded storylines. I guess all my cool cred is gone!

Where's the fire?

Also, I can't believe you like books. Fucking nerd.

[theguy77]

In all seriousness, I slept with four girls in high school and did so out of a combination of a need to pass, sexual confusion, and actual, genuine care for them. It's a hole, there was friction, I got off, but, you know, there jsut wasn't any attraction. I'm not bi in the slightest, so, you know, it was a "going through the motions" things.

What I'm saying is, I'm so much of a man, a woman isn't enough for me and I need another man to spread my manliness to!

hahahahahaha todd i fucking love you you just got elevated to #3 on my would go gay for list. sorry, neil patrick harris.

[Burn That Shit]

It's rare. I wrestled in high school for two years (insert jokes here), and we heard of a few horror stories, but it's not a common epidemic.

Please don't be offended, but did you ever get a boner(lol) when you were wrestling? If I was wrestling an attractive girl, I'm pretty sure I would get a boner(lol), so I'm just curious.

[Cuddleworthy]

How am I supposed to respond to this? Yeah, I dig Pro Wrestling. I find it fun, I like the art of telling a story through in-ring movement, I like the athleticism, and on occasion, I enjoy the retarded storylines. I guess all my cool cred is gone!

Where's the fire?

Also, I can't believe you like books. Fucking nerd.

shh, you're a nerd too.

[briewer]

How do you can you like Ryan more than me? I never hit on you, I only suggest that you are checking me out.

[kearn1tm]

hahahahahaha todd i fucking love you you just got elevated to #3 on my would go gay for list. sorry, neil patrick harris.

Uh, Neil Patrick Harris is much more fine. I understand him being above me. Why wouldn't he?! That man is adorable.

Please don't be offended, but did you ever get a boner(lol) when you were wrestling? If I was wrestling an attractive girl, I'm pretty sure I would get a boner(lol), so I'm just curious.

Ha. No. Firstly, I never wrestled someone I found attractive. Secondly, your (or mine or whatever) mind compartmentalizes sexual impulses, and that was furthest from my mind in matches where my mind is racing and desperately trying to process the action going on around me. I'm thinking of all the ways to avoid takedowns, being pinned, staying within the circle and being cognascent of my presence that having my hands on funtime sally buttons wasn't really registering.

How do you can you like Ryan more than me? I never hit on you, I only suggest that you are checking me out.

I did that to spite you!

[kearn1tm]

shh, you're a nerd too.

Nah, broder. I'm fucking fantastic, or hadn't you heard? That too is rhetorical.

[theguy77]

Uh, Neil Patrick Harris is much more fine. I understand him being above me. Why wouldn't he?! That man is adorable.

you're right its just impossible not to become infatuated with your sense of humor

[kearn1tm]

you're right its just impossible not to become infatuated with your sense of humor
!
But I like wrestling, and I was partially a jock in high school. Don't tell Cuddleworthy! I've got cred to maintain. Or do. I'm going to shove his lame ass in a locker.

[briewer]

Yeah, I was also a jock in high school. I was also a huge nerd too, so, you know, WHATEVER.

[Burn That Shit]

Ha. No. Firstly, I never wrestled someone I found attractive. Secondly, your (or mine or whatever) mind compartmentalizes sexual impulses, and that was furthest from my mind in matches where my mind is racing and desperately trying to process the action going on around me. I'm thinking of all the ways to avoid takedowns, being pinned, staying within the circle and being cognascent of my presence that having my hands on funtime sally buttons wasn't really registering.

Makes sense. I was really hoping for some awesome story about how you had a boner(lol) while you were wrestling a guy and had to obliterate him fastlike so no one would notice, but logical works too.

[kearn1tm]

Makes sense. I was really hoping for some awesome story about how you had a boner(lol) while you were wrestling a guy and had to obliterate him fastlike so no one would notice, but logical works too.

This one time I was wrestling a fucking penguin (Because, you know, that's what you fucking do when you're fucking awesome) and I was in the light-heavyweight division and he was at least in the 220-235 division and I beat the shit out of him (literally, I beat him so hard, he no longer had control of his bowels) while simultaneously fucking three hot dudes.

This is in no way a joke.

[kearn1tm]

Yeah, I was also a jock in high school. I was also a huge nerd too, so, you know, WHATEVER.

I'mma throw your ass in a fucking locker too, bro.

[rawspinner]

if The Acacia Strain can tour with 3 Christian bands (August Burns Red, Mychildren Mybride and Impending Doom) and not care about religion, then why should anyone else?

I like Story of The Year; All Atheists. I think people are getting way too bent out of shape of the religion (or lack of) of a band or artist.

I thought Phil was actually a pretty strong Christian? He was actually in a Christian rock group before joining SOTY.

[xJesusFreakx]

This one time I was wrestling a fucking penguin (Because, you know, that's what you fucking do when you're fucking awesome) and I was in the light-heavyweight division and he was at least in the 220-235 division and I beat the shit out of him (literally, I beat him so hard, he no longer had control of his bowels) while simultaneously fucking three hot dudes.

This is in no way a joke.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Pengers.JPG

[Burn That Shit]

This one time I was wrestling a fucking penguin (Because, you know, that's what you fucking do when you're fucking awesome) and I was in the light-heavyweight division and he was at least in the 220-235 division and I beat the shit out of him (literally, I beat him so hard, he no longer had control of his bowels) while simultaneously fucking three hot dudes.

This is in no way a joke.

The thought of you wrestling a penguin while the penguin is just shitting everywhere brings a smile to my face.

[kearn1tm]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Pengers.JPG

Bruce Timm! Score.

[theguy77]

!
But I like wrestling, and I was partially a jock in high school. Don't tell Cuddleworthy! I've got cred to maintain. Or do. I'm going to shove his lame ass in a locker.

hahaha hes always seemed like the sort of quiet dude who only opens his mouth to express his ongoing view that hes better than all the uncultured douchebags at his high school, only to get shoved in a locker by the chubby dude with the lettered jacket, the backward hat, and the bleached girl that barbie dolls are modeled after on his arm.

[Bruised26]

Jesus sucks all of the great stuff out of music clearly. Boo jesus, boo.

So let me understand what you are trying to say- Jesus is a bad influence on music.. So how come bands like Mewithoutyou, Anberlin, Thrice, Mutemath and The Reign of Kindo are so amazing? what you are claiming is very closeminded and biased. There are some phenomenal christian musicians out there.
In regards to Bemis, let him believe what he wants.

and sorry I revived this thread. haha.

[mulcahy67]

holy shit why did this stupid thread come back to life.

[SaveGwenStacy]

if The Acacia Strain can tour with 3 Christian bands (August Burns Red, Mychildren Mybride and Impending Doom) and not care about religion, then why should anyone else?

I like Story of The Year; All Atheists. I think people are getting way too bent out of shape of the religion (or lack of) of a band or artist.

chill the fuck out. he just wants to know. it's not going to affect how he looks at the band. you're the only blowing religion out of proportion. honestly.

[Sigur Ros]

The man thinks too much.

[zion the lion]

So let me understand what you are trying to say- Jesus is a bad influence on music.. So how come bands like Mewithoutyou, Anberlin, Thrice, Mutemath and The Reign of Kindo are so amazing? what you are claiming is very closeminded and biased. There are some phenomenal christian musicians out there.
In regards to Bemis, let him believe what he wants.

and sorry I revived this thread. haha.

Look up sarcasm, and then re-read my post.

[Regards]

WWF flowed so much better than WWE.