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James Ding
11/09/09, 05:19 AM
Paramore - Brand New Eyes
Record Label: Fueled by Ramen
Release Date: September 29, 2009

Paramore have always been the quintessential band for illustrating one of the oldest dilemmas im music: style or substance. Some regard Paramore as nothing more than Hayley Williams plus four and attribute the entirety of their success to the fact that Hayley is a very attractive young woman; others rally strongly against this claim, pointing out that the band has some strong songwriting talent behind her pretty face. The truth is probably a collaboration of both of these two things, boring as that may be. As much as some may want to downplay it, sex sells; it's a fact of life. Anything can be improved in the mass consumer mindset by making it more attractive, but the fact remains that lasting popularity is certainly not the end result from an over-reliance on looks. Brand New Eyes constitutes Paramore's third album, officially sealing their status as more than just a one-hit-wonder, especially considering the huge number of similar bands that have come out of the woodwork since Paramore made it big, and so now is the time for them to really come out swinging and hit the high notes.

Unfortunately, while Brand New Eyes is not a bad record, far from it in fact, it is not the behemoth that fans may have hoped for, not the career defining magnum opus that affirms Paramore as one of the biggest bands in the world. Things start off well: "Careful" gets things rolling nicely, and "Ignorance" practically explodes out of the starting blocks. When Paramore put their collective foot down and really get going, it's incredibly hard not to get swept up in the momentum. "Misery Business" and "Crushcrushcrush" did it on Riot! and tracks like these two prove they can still throw out a really good pop rock song like few others are capable of, very much showing that they do have the substance some critics would deprive them of. However, in counterbalance to this stands the video for "Ignorance." Although I'll admit it's not really included in the album as such, it still serves as a representation of where the band are right now. Its fashion and style looks to me like being the beginning of the Gwen Stefani pop-star route and the worst thing that could happen to Paramore is that they forget where they came from. Paramore at their best are the Paramore in the video for "That's What You Get," and I hope they don't go too far down the "pop-star" road on their journey to greatness.

There are some other excellent tracks on the album: "Brick by Boring Brick", "Turn it Off", "Feeling Sorry" and "Looking Up" all sound excellent, and the whoa-ohs and bah-bahs, while seemingly placed in primarily for live fan interaction rather than musical reasons, work incredibly well, and you can see why they included them. Additionlly kudos should be given for the inclusion of "Decode" for those of us Paramore fans who want the track on CD but would rather not have anything associated with Twilight in our lives. There is nothing more irritating than a band releasing a good song to a movie and then not including in their own material (Taking Back Sunday and Atreyu have both been guilty of this in the past), so definite props given there, even if we don't get "I Caught Myself".

However, the majority of the remaining songs fail to live up to these standards. The two most guilty examples are "The Only Exception" and "Misguided Ghosts". These are the first truly acoustic songs that Paramore have written, and while they should be admired for attempting musical growth, simply put, it just doesn't work. The lyrics are brought to the fore due to the sparse instrumentation, and unfortunately, lyrics are where Paramore are most lacking. Lines like "I saw my Daddy cry and curse at the wind" are horribly trite, and lack depth and sincerity. Additionally, it's a shame to hear Hayley's voice so restrained, considering the huge range she's capable of. The criticism of these two songs are not a criticism of execution: Paramore can do acoustic tracks, as can be seen on various youtube videos and most especially on their excellent cover of "My Hero" by the Foo Fighters. It's more that they don't quite seem capable of crafting a song that contains the rawness of tracks like the aforementioned cover themselves. Another aspect of this album that saddens me, is that the only really big song that doesn't reach high tempo is "All I Wanted," and up against older comparable songs like "Hallelujah" and "That's What You Get," it's incredibly weak and forgetful, and lacks the power the songs of "Riot!" had in spades.

In fairness, much of the disappointment felt from this album probably comes from inflated expectations. Paramore have been so successful and written so many good songs that by album number three, there is an expectation that they should have nailed it by now. Sadly this is not a Smash or a The Colour and the Shape. In order to be considered a truly great and influential rock band, Paramore will need to release a better album than this, but just because The Offspring and Foo Fighters managed to do it relatively early on doesn't mean we should expect the same from Paramore. Dave Grohl had years of experience prior to that release, many of them spent with Kurt Cobain, and Dexter Holland was pushing thirty when Smash came out. We forget that Paramore are still very young, not just as a band but as people. The life experiences that they haven't yet had will shape their future releases and hopefully give them the depth and sincerity that this album lacks in places. The fact that the band have achieved so much while more than half of them still haven't reached the landmark of twenty-one is impressive. It took seven full length albums for Green Day (arguably the biggest pop-punk band the world has ever known) to finally make it, so we can afford to give them a little while yet. But if nothing else, we can rest assured that while Hayley may have the looks to propel them skyward, the bulk of the fuel behind the ascent is amply supplied by the music they produce.

Hey Monday, Automatic Loveletter, Green Day, Fueled by Ramen music in general, high tempo music, being young

www.myspace.com/paramore (http://www.myspace.com/paramore)

touchstone
11/27/09, 07:00 PM
Additionally, it's a shame to hear Hayley's voice so restrained, considering the huge range she's capable of.

I disagree so strongly with this sentiment. Restraint is the separation between a singer with skill and talent and a singer with talent. Many people can sing--very few have control of their voice. One of my favorite parts of this record was hearing how much more mature and refined Hayley's voice sounded. She has a wonderfully trained quality to her voice that hasn't shown up til this record. Who cares if you can hit that note if you can't hit it well?

parawhore10
11/27/09, 07:38 PM
how is paramore anything like green day?

karadoll
11/28/09, 08:35 AM
how is paramore anything like green day?
Seriously.

parawhore10
11/28/09, 09:17 AM
Seriously.
seriously like you're agreeing with me? or that you think they're alike? lol

karadoll
11/28/09, 09:38 AM
seriously like you're agreeing with me? or that you think they're alike? lol
Like I'm agreeing with you. They're NOTHING alike.

parawhore10
11/28/09, 10:18 AM
Like I'm agreeing with you. They're NOTHING alike.
phew good thing lol i also don't think they should ever be compared to a shitty bubblegum pop band like hey monday.

James Ding
11/28/09, 12:01 PM
They're both pop-punk bands who have become popular in the mainstream. Not too hard to see that link I don't think. Just Paramore haven't gotten anywhere near as popular as Green Day.

And in terms of Hey Monday I really don't see how anyone could not see a link there, especially as if Paramore hadn't been so successful I doubt Hey Monday would have appeared on anyone's radar.

James Ding
11/28/09, 12:05 PM
I disagree so strongly with this sentiment. Restraint is the separation between a singer with skill and talent and a singer with talent. Many people can sing--very few have control of their voice. One of my favorite parts of this record was hearing how much more mature and refined Hayley's voice sounded. She has a wonderfully trained quality to her voice that hasn't shown up til this record. Who cares if you can hit that note if you can't hit it well?
I think you're exactly right with the skill & talent/just talented analogy. Unfortunately I just wasn't impressed with her voice when she sings in that manner. I don't feel that she sounds as good.

parawhore10
11/28/09, 01:41 PM
They're both pop-punk bands who have become popular in the mainstream. Not too hard to see that link I don't think. Just Paramore haven't gotten anywhere near as popular as Green Day.

And in terms of Hey Monday I really don't see how anyone could not see a link there, especially as if Paramore hadn't been so successful I doubt Hey Monday would have appeared on anyone's radar.
yes but paramore doesn't sound anything like green day so why would they put them in the recommended if you like?

and having listened to both hey monday and paramore before, the only similarity that they have is that they both have singers that are female. other than that, they have nothing in common. so again, why would they be put in the recommended if you like?

karadoll
11/28/09, 02:13 PM
phew good thing lol i also don't think they should ever be compared to a shitty bubblegum pop band like hey monday.
They absolutely should not be compared at all. They sound nothing alike, and the ONLY similiarity is the fact that Cass and Hayley both are females.

karadoll
11/28/09, 02:16 PM
They're both pop-punk bands who have become popular in the mainstream. Not too hard to see that link I don't think. Just Paramore haven't gotten anywhere near as popular as Green Day.
So what? They've gotten popular, that doesn't mean anything, other than they're both popular. They sound nothing alike at all.

And in terms of Hey Monday I really don't see how anyone could not see a link there, especially as if Paramore hadn't been so successful I doubt Hey Monday would have appeared on anyone's radar.
How are they similar? You know, other than the fact that Cassadee and Hayley are both female.

James Ding
11/28/09, 02:23 PM
So what? They've gotten popular, that doesn't mean anything, other than they're both popular. They sound nothing alike at all.


How are they similar? You know, other than the fact that Cassadee and Hayley are both female.
They're both pop-punk bands...

I don't see how this is complicated...

Sounding nothing alike at all would be Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga, not Green Day and Paramore.

James Ding
11/28/09, 02:28 PM
yes but paramore doesn't sound anything like green day so why would they put them in the recommended if you like?

and having listened to both hey monday and paramore before, the only similarity that they have is that they both have singers that are female. other than that, they have nothing in common. so again, why would they be put in the recommended if you like?
If you seriously hear nothing similar in Paramore and Hey Monday at all then fair enough, I can't dispute that at all. You're entitled to your opinion. I, on the other hand, do hear similarities, and as I'm writing the review I put in my opinions.

People hear music completely differently, that's part of the beauty of it. I'm just putting bands who I think are a good fit. If you don't like them fair enough, but entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else.

karadoll
11/28/09, 02:49 PM
They're both pop-punk bands...

I don't see how this is complicated...

Sounding nothing alike at all would be Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga, not Green Day and Paramore.
Green Day is pop-punk? o.O

No, Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga sound nothing alike. Neither do Green Day and Paramore. Similarities, please?

James Ding
11/28/09, 03:23 PM
Green Day is pop-punk? o.O

No, Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga sound nothing alike. Neither do Green Day and Paramore. Similarities, please?
Yes they are... what would you do describe them as?

And the gulf between Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga is miles wider than that between Paramore and Green Day.

Similarities:

1) Both write generally fast-paced catchy songs, based primarily around personal relationships but also branching out into wider issues.
2) They also do occasional slower songs, which as I mention above, are generally weaker than the faster ones.
3) IMO both are pop-punk bands
4) Musically they have similar structures and patterns, with light chugging chords rather than finger-picking or heavier music
5) The vocals are based around similar melodies

I'm not gonna go into a huge list because I CBA but these are the general things.

As I've said if you don't agree that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but you're not automatically right and neither am I.

While I'm open to criticism of my writing, in fact it's very helpful for future efforts, just saying "I think you're wrong" doesn't really come under the constructive discussion heading.

karadoll
11/28/09, 03:43 PM
Yes they are... what would you do describe them as?

And the gulf between Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga is miles wider than that between Paramore and Green Day.

Similarities:

1) Both write generally fast-paced catchy songs, based primarily around personal relationships but also branching out into wider issues.
2) They also do occasional slower songs, which as I mention above, are generally weaker than the faster ones.
3) IMO both are pop-punk bands
4) Musically they have similar structures and patterns, with light chugging chords rather than finger-picking or heavier music
5) The vocals are based around similar melodies

I'm not gonna go into a huge list because I CBA but these are the general things.

As I've said if you don't agree that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but you're not automatically right and neither am I.

While I'm open to criticism of my writing, in fact it's very helpful for future efforts, just saying "I think you're wrong" doesn't really come under the constructive discussion heading.
Oh, I wasn't saying you were wrong about them being pop-punk, I just haven't ever heard anyone describe them like that. And I wouldn't know what to classify them. With the way that genres are changing and being stretched, I don't even bother to really pay attention to labels.

Of course the gulf between Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga is much wider. To me, however, Green Day and Paramore sound absolutely nothing alike. Thank you for putting down some similarities. It's so refreshing to hear someone back up what they say. =]

I thought your review was very well written, actually. The only real problem I had with it was the RIYL section, and that was because I couldn't see where you were coming from. Now that you've cleared that up, no I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't have a problem with it.

James Ding
11/28/09, 03:50 PM
Oh, I wasn't saying you were wrong about them being pop-punk, I just haven't ever heard anyone describe them like that. And I wouldn't know what to classify them. With the way that genres are changing and being stretched, I don't even bother to really pay attention to labels.

Of course the gulf between Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga is much wider. To me, however, Green Day and Paramore sound absolutely nothing alike. Thank you for putting down some similarities. It's so refreshing to hear someone back up what they say. =]

I thought your review was very well written, actually. The only real problem I had with it was the RIYL section, and that was because I couldn't see where you were coming from. Now that you've cleared that up, no I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't have a problem with it.
No that's definitely fair. Tbh, all my music of this type is just saved under the genre "Rock" and it ranges from R.E.M. to Killswitch Engage. :P

It's nice to actually be able to discuss something with someone in a level-headed manner. Divergent opinions and musical discussion should be the whole point of sites like this.

Thanks for that. I'll definitely admit that I find the RIYL really hard to do compared to the normal review bit. It's just so hugely dependent on personal tastes as we've seen here. In fact for my Gaslight Anthem review I didn't put a single actual band, instead just themes and styles. Which I guess is a bit of a cop-out... :P

karadoll
11/28/09, 04:08 PM
No that's definitely fair. Tbh, all my music of this type is just saved under the genre "Rock" and it ranges from R.E.M. to Killswitch Engage. :P

It's nice to actually be able to discuss something with someone in a level-headed manner. Divergent opinions and musical discussion should be the whole point of sites like this.

Thanks for that. I'll definitely admit that I find the RIYL really hard to do compared to the normal review bit. It's just so hugely dependent on personal tastes as we've seen here. In fact for my Gaslight Anthem review I didn't put a single actual band, instead just themes and styles. Which I guess is a bit of a cop-out... :P
I don't even know what mine is saved under. I just take whatever is put on it from wherever I got on it from the CD/downloaded place. Well... unless it's just completely wrong. Then I generally just change it to "Rock".

I know what you mean about discussing something in a level-headed manner. I always either get bitched out, or just completely ignored. This is a music site with A LOT of different bands, right? And not everyone has the same opinions. Why so many still expect their opinion to be the only opinion is beyond me.

You're very welcome. No matter what anyone puts, there will always be someone that has something to say about it. You can never make everyone happy, unfortunately. Eh, it's not really a cop-out. No one really puts themes, and for me, sometimes the content of the songs matters more to me than who's actually singing it.

parawhore10
11/28/09, 04:34 PM
They absolutely should not be compared at all. They sound nothing alike, and the ONLY similiarity is the fact that Cass and Hayley both are females.
thank you!

parawhore10
11/28/09, 04:36 PM
i agree completely with karadoll. i really liked the review, but i think the riyl section was a little off. again, just my opinion.

golferpunk1
12/22/09, 08:39 AM
They're both pop-punk bands...

I don't see how this is complicated...

Sounding nothing alike at all would be Bob Dylan and Lady Gaga, not Green Day and Paramore.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Paramore is as pop-punk as Avril.