View Full Version : it's an election year again....
commatosa
06/05/06, 10:06 PM
which means it's time for the conservatives to bully the ***s again, via king george II.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11442710/
he saw how effective it was in 2004, now it's time to do the full sweep of congress. everyone rally behind your most homophobic/ignorant senators and representatives, it's time for mid-term elections! Go GOP! down with ***s!!
Justin_stacy
06/05/06, 10:08 PM
you know i wouldn't be shocked if one day your brain decides to just up and leave....
commatosa
06/05/06, 10:12 PM
you know i wouldn't be shocked if one day your brain decides to just up and leave....
like crang from ninja turtles?
Lueda Alia
06/05/06, 10:51 PM
you know i wouldn't be shocked if one day your brain decides to just up and leave....
What he's saying is actually true though.
commatosa
06/05/06, 11:34 PM
What he's saying is actually true though.
that's precisely why he jumps straight to attacking me, because it's so completely obvious that it's true.
Justin_stacy
06/06/06, 12:02 AM
that's precisely why he jumps straight to attacking me, because it's so completely obvious that it's true.
ya pretend i haven't tried to reason with you in the past.......Its your fault you're the butt of jokes around, not mine.
lightcollapse
06/06/06, 12:44 AM
its true, get over it.
justinevans
06/06/06, 07:36 AM
I wish people in other countries were allowed to live after being so vocal.
Now, I am not saying don't speak up, but it when you say the same thing thirty times and truly try to do nothing about it...move the fuck on.
bitch and bitch and bitch, but when you're giving the microphone to do something, you sit down.
commatosa
06/06/06, 12:15 PM
I wish people in other countries were allowed to live after being so vocal.
Now, I am not saying don't speak up, but it when you say the same thing thirty times and truly try to do nothing about it...move the fuck on.
bitch and bitch and bitch, but when you're giving the microphone to do something, you sit down.
first of all, what the fuck are you talking about? second, do you know me? I DO do something about it. third, are we suddenly not allowed to debate on this forum? fourth, just because all of you assholes disagree with me, and I have a different way of approaching it, why do I suddenly not have a right to complain? you don't have to read what I write, so you move the fuck on.
justinevans
06/06/06, 12:36 PM
first of all, what the fuck are you talking about? second, do you know me? I DO do something about it. third, are we suddenly not allowed to debate on this forum? fourth, just because all of you assholes disagree with me, and I have a different way of approaching it, why do I suddenly not have a right to complain? you don't have to read what I write, so you move the fuck on.
You're not doing shit. Because just bitching about conservatives rather than bitching about gays. All we do in this country is bitch, bitch, and bitch. And then we stage some big protest in the middle of the streets and think that will solve something. We think for that moment in time we are proud and people truly believe in something. But truthfully no one cares.
Generally liberal states are helping this when Ohio and Michigan voted to ban gay marriages in their respective states.
Now, I do agree that Church and State should be seperated and frankly I do not give a fuck, but for one to be just convervative or just liberal, you are a pathetic waste of space. We are not born into this world just to fall under on label. If you noticed, many of the states up for election our liberal states anyway...jersey for one.
FallingOut
06/06/06, 02:05 PM
If you dont realize this as a move to gain convervative support for Bush, you are absolutely fucking blind. It is so blatantly obvious. Its ok to be in denial guys. Really. You know, with all of the things going on in this country, we have our President spending time backing discriminatory laws to gain support. Man, what a great leader of our country we have! Its truly pathetic that they do this crap, and all of the conservative people will all of a sudden rally behind Bush because they think he really cares that much about it. Everybody, including Bush, knows they will never get the 2/3 vote to have a nationwide ban. They know it, so its obviously just propaganda to gain support. If you dont see that, you arent paying attention.
Well I guess when you really have nothing to offer America the religious bigots have to rally behind prejudices. Two people that marry of the same sex are in no way violating mine or any other persons rights. Maybe someday they'll open their minds and realize that we do not live in a theocracy.
justinevans
06/06/06, 02:46 PM
If you dont realize this as a move to gain convervative support for Bush, you are absolutely fucking blind. It is so blatantly obvious. Its ok to be in denial guys. Really. You know, with all of the things going on in this country, we have our President spending time backing discriminatory laws to gain support. Man, what a great leader of our country we have! Its truly pathetic that they do this crap, and all of the conservative people will all of a sudden rally behind Bush because they think he really cares that much about it. Everybody, including Bush, knows they will never get the 2/3 vote to have a nationwide ban. They know it, so its obviously just propaganda to gain support. If you dont see that, you arent paying attention.
I know this is the wrong way to look at it, but it is a democracy and majority does rule...it sucks by the system was set up this way. Most of the country is conservative.
You people act like liberals don't do it either. Does everyone forget when Clinton stood by American workers and said no to free trade? Well it put it fucking in. He stabbed every American in the back.
IT IS FUCKING POLITICS PEOPLE. EVERY SIDE DOES IT. YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE REALLY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT GAYS? NO THEY DON'T.
justinevans
06/06/06, 02:57 PM
Well I guess when you really have nothing to offer America the religious bigots have to rally behind prejudices. Two people that marry of the same sex are in no way violating mine or any other persons rights. Maybe someday they'll open their minds and realize that we do not live in a theocracy.
True, but like when penicilin (sp?) first came around and now stem cell research...it is the fear of the unknown. I could marry a roomate, not be gay, and we could be greedy and take the tax advantages. It is another loophole for the criminals in our country.
I mean that is the whole point of them wanting to get married? Isn't it? They want the advantages that other couples receive. Some will sit there and tell you we want it as a symbol of our love, and I respect that, but it more and more for the advantages that lie behind it.
However, we cannot ban it. We cannot intervene Church and State. We can no longer live on tradition, but until the people of our country truly take responsibility for their actions, you will never see peace, or full exisiting rights for everyone, in our country or the world. It can be changed, but for now...it is what it is and I am sorry that it has to be this way.
Call me close minded or whatever, I don't care. I truly do not have a problem with homosexuals. I have a problem with the people country that just sit there and talk the talk or just talk someone else's talk. The people that bitch and moan about the government all day and every day. The people that talk about them being close-minded. The people that bitch when people do not think like they do, but it is the other people who are close-minded. We are all fucking close-minded human beings.
Lueda Alia
06/06/06, 03:58 PM
True, but like when penicilin (sp?) first came around and now stem cell research...it is the fear of the unknown. I could marry a roomate, not be gay, and we could be greedy and take the tax advantages. It is another loophole for the criminals in our country.
That does not make sense. It would make sense if you applied the same logic to heterosexual marriages. If you're going to look at it that way because you're truly concerned about "criminals," then why not ban marriage altogether, for everyone?
I mean that is the whole point of them wanting to get married? Isn't it? They want the advantages that other couples receive. Some will sit there and tell you we want it as a symbol of our love, and I respect that, but it more and more for the advantages that lie behind it.
Or maybe it's about equality? Why do you care so much about why they want it? They deserve it just as much as you and anyone else does. That's it.
Love As Arson
06/06/06, 04:30 PM
If it weren't for activist judges, segregation would have ended a lot later than it actually did. It is a sad statement, but in many cases individuals left to make the decisions that must be made.
cal1082
06/06/06, 06:08 PM
If you dont realize this as a move to gain convervative support for Bush, you are absolutely fucking blind. It is so blatantly obvious. Its ok to be in denial guys. Really. You know, with all of the things going on in this country, we have our President spending time backing discriminatory laws to gain support. Man, what a great leader of our country we have! Its truly pathetic that they do this crap, and all of the conservative people will all of a sudden rally behind Bush because they think he really cares that much about it. Everybody, including Bush, knows they will never get the 2/3 vote to have a nationwide ban. They know it, so its obviously just propaganda to gain support. If you dont see that, you arent paying attention.
It's not for Bush support. If anything it's for a small % of republicans probably up for reelection in states in which support for a marriage amendment is somewhat high and they're looking to put a big issue up and get support.
Nothing wrong with the concept of that (now if you're against the amendment for moral reasons that's up to you), but it seems naturally to me for senators to pander to their base.
cal1082
06/06/06, 06:11 PM
And you might not like the idea of a constitutional amendment on gay marriage (i dont either) but I also reject judges deciding laws. So I can see why a constitutional amendment could be useful to stopping this. In the end put it in the hands of the states and let them decide.
FallingOut
06/06/06, 06:11 PM
Or maybe it's about equality? Why do you care so much about why they want it? They deserve it just as much as you and anyone else does. That's it.
Exactly! I dont understand how people can say that gay marriage will ruin our society. What the hell does that mean?!? How can gay people being married ruin anything? Bush said it will change young kid's ideas of what a family is. Tell me, how can two men being married, who adopt 3 children, not be as good of a family as a family with heterosexual parents? Just because of a sexual preference?? Are you kidding me? It just doesnt make any sense. Two women who want to get married should be able to have exactly the same benefits as a man and a woman being married. Why not? Because its uncomfortable to you? Just because you dont understand something and dont agree with it doesnt mean you should invent things that will happen if somebody does it. Tell me this, wouldnt it be a good thing if there were lots of gay parents out there who adopt lots of children? It will give lots of foster children homes. Oh wait, I forgot. Gay people cant be good parents.... Give me a break.
cal1082
06/06/06, 06:12 PM
i hope this thread doesnt turn into another gay marriage right or wrong thread.
FallingOut
06/06/06, 06:14 PM
It's not for Bush support. If anything it's for a small % of republicans probably up for reelection in states in which support for a marriage amendment is somewhat high and they're looking to put a big issue up and get support.
Nothing wrong with the concept of that (now if you're against the amendment for moral reasons that's up to you), but it seems naturally to me for senators to pander to their base.
Yeah youre right, I shouldnt have said Bush support, what I meant was Republican and conservative support. I meant that Bush is trying to rally conservative support. What you said.
justinevans
06/06/06, 06:17 PM
That does not make sense. It would make sense if you applied the same logic to heterosexual marriages. If you're going to look at it that way because you're truly concerned about "criminals," then why not ban marriage altogether, for everyone?
Or maybe it's about equality? Why do you care so much about why they want it? They deserve it just as much as you and anyone else does. That's it.
Equality? The same that preach for equality are the same people that call for Affirmativve Action....Equality? come on now.
justinevans
06/06/06, 06:18 PM
Exactly! I dont understand how people can say that gay marriage will ruin our society. What the hell does that mean?!? How can gay people being married ruin anything? Bush said it will change young kid's ideas of what a family is. Tell me, how can two men being married, who adopt 3 children, not be as good of a family as a family with heterosexual parents? Just because of a sexual preference?? Are you kidding me? It just doesnt make any sense. Two women who want to get married should be able to have exactly the same benefits as a man and a woman being married. Why not? Because its uncomfortable to you? Just because you dont understand something and dont agree with it doesnt mean you should invent things that will happen if somebody does it. Tell me this, wouldnt it be a good thing if there were lots of gay parents out there who adopt lots of children? It will give lots of foster children homes. Oh wait, I forgot. Gay people cant be good parents.... Give me a break.
Lol if there are alot of gay parents there won't be children.
Before you jump down my throat...I was joking.
Justin_stacy
06/06/06, 07:44 PM
nothing like election season to bring out the conservative in Bush.....
With or without a hot botton issue like redefining marriage, Republicans are fucked come november. They let power get to them, began acting like democrats and ignored their base. And no single issue is going to save them.
commatosa
06/07/06, 12:28 AM
yeah, obviously bush is pandering to the conservative base. but it's just sad that at this point it's expected and no one is really outraged cause the conservative right has become predictable with bigotry and discrimination. it's a fucking shame. suddenly everyone that is too proud to admit that their party is full of shit rallies behind the powers that be. it's just stupid that this one topic can generate millions of votes because typical conservatives are idiots.
x togepi x
06/07/06, 03:53 PM
nothing like election season to bring out the conservative in Bush.....
With or without a hot botton issue like redefining marriage, Republicans are fucked come november. They let power get to them, began acting like democrats and ignored their base. And no single issue is going to save them.
I doubt that. The democrats have no message. A lot of people don't trust them for that reason alone. Sure, a lot of people hate what the republicans have done on both sides of the spectrum, but people have no idea what a democratic congress would do. I think the democrats might pick up some seats, but not enough to have a majority, and even the races they pick up seats in will be close.
Justin_stacy
06/07/06, 06:44 PM
I doubt that. The democrats have no message. A lot of people don't trust them for that reason alone. Sure, a lot of people hate what the republicans have done on both sides of the spectrum, but people have no idea what a democratic congress would do. I think the democrats might pick up some seats, but not enough to have a majority, and even the races they pick up seats in will be close.
Losing one house is very likely, but just a hand full of lost seats this year will have a major impact in two years when twice as many people are voting and partisan politics will be more pronounced.
The reason i say Republicans are fucked is not because people are going to switch support, but because the party is at odds with its base. The base is conservative and traditional, and being ignored. If they pull their votes and boycott the election to prove a point many Republicans are in trouble of losing their seat.
Its true that Democrats have no plan and are controled by extremist, but they have the support of their small base, which puts them in position to weather storms better then the Republican party.
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And just think of the darkness this country would decend to if these EXTREME democrats get control, god there is no knowing what could happen!
Hopefully us rich FOLKS still get THOSE TAX CUTS!
Justin_stacy
06/07/06, 11:56 PM
And just think of the darkness this country would decend to if these EXTREME democrats get control, god there is no knowing what could happen!
Hopefully us rich FOLKS still get THOSE TAX CUTS!
I love the misconception that all the rich are republicans.
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x togepi x
06/08/06, 12:50 AM
Losing one house is very likely, but just a hand full of lost seats this year will have a major impact in two years when twice as many people are voting and partisan politics will be more pronounced.
The reason i say Republicans are fucked is not because people are going to switch support, but because the party is at odds with its base. The base is conservative and traditional, and being ignored. If they pull their votes and boycott the election to prove a point many Republicans are in trouble of losing their seat.
Its true that Democrats have no plan and are controled by extremist, but they have the support of their small base, which puts them in position to weather storms better then the Republican party.
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I kind of agree with you, I kind of don't but I think that your last part could end up being very wrong if Hillary gets the nomination in '08 because a lot of the democrat base don't like her at all anymore.
justinevans
06/08/06, 05:54 AM
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what?
no I seriously am a very very rich man
why do you think i throw so much money into republican campaigns? democrats sure as hell won't give me nice breaks when it comes tax time
Justin_stacy
06/08/06, 03:38 PM
democrats sure as hell won't give me nice breaks when it comes tax time
Why would they? Their all so rich tax breaks really don't matter to them....
justinevans
06/08/06, 04:50 PM
no I seriously am a very very rich man
why do you think i throw so much money into republican campaigns? democrats sure as hell won't give me nice breaks when it comes tax time
everyone got tax breaks. when you make more money you get a bigger amount of money back. it is called simple math.
FallingOut
06/08/06, 09:39 PM
everyone got tax breaks. when you make more money you get a bigger amount of money back. it is called simple math.
But you see, Bush has made tax cuts that have benefited the rich, giving them even more money. Its called reading up on things.
Justin_stacy
06/08/06, 09:43 PM
But you see, Bush has made tax cuts that have benefited the rich, giving them even more money. Its called reading up on things.
The rich benefit more, because they pay the most taxes. Its called putting things in perspective.
FallingOut
06/08/06, 09:57 PM
The rich benefit more, because they pay the most taxes. Its called putting things in perspective.
I...did put the things in perspective. But BUSH MADE THEM GET MORE MONEY, EVEN THOUGH THEY ALREADY BENEFITED MORE. Did you not read what I said before? I realize they should get more back, because they pay more. Im not stupid. Im saying Bush did things so they would get even more. When they sign something that says college students are going to get less in loans, which in turn benefited the rich, I have a right to be pissed off. It happened to my girlfriend.
splitsecond
06/08/06, 11:55 PM
Its funny people keep talking about religious bigots, yet, athiests are probably equally as hateful and bigotted towards the religious... is one form of bigotry any better than the other?
One form of bigotry doesn't push religious values on the entire populous. And just because somebody believes in a thing called the SEPARATION OF CHURCH STATE doesn't make them an atheist.
Even Jon Stewart can admit that these tax cuts better benefit the rich. In theory they are supposed to stimulate economic growth, basically they hope that these big CEO's invest this extra money they save in bonds or stocks but it has very little effect. What these tax cuts do help though is widening the gap between the rich and the poor.
In other words, Bush isn't going to bite the hand that feeds. Of course if I ran a campaign on big business money I would feel obligated to save them some money if I were to win.
I am all talk
06/09/06, 12:23 AM
One form of bigotry doesn't push religious values on the entire populous
I consider myself a liberal and as much as I hate ann coulter, liberalism is a religion. Many liberals are just, if not more intolerant than any conservative Christian bigot ever could be.
I don't see many liberals condeming gay marriage. Which is the issue here.
justinevans
06/09/06, 02:59 AM
But you see, Bush has made tax cuts that have benefited the rich, giving them even more money. Its called reading up on things.
It's called it was a straight tax cut. Everyone got back a percentage of what they put in. Do you think there would be crimes of discrimination by the rich if the poor got a 40% cut and the rich only 10%?
Its called I have a degree in Finance.
And yes the myth is that the rich will invest the extra money they have whether it be into the banks or companies and so forth...It is the trickle down theory and it is theory the Republican party seems to follow. There is also myths that the poor would see it as extra money rather than money to pay off their debts and so forth.
No matter who they are for, tax cuts do not work.
cal1082
06/09/06, 06:34 AM
I don't see many liberals condeming gay marriage. Which is the issue here.
Simply because you dont agree with something on a moral level doesnt make you a bigot.
I apologize for the bigot comment.
Love As Arson
06/09/06, 02:52 PM
If you believe that it is only the republicans that care for the rich, then you should look at Clinton's policies.
histrionics22
06/09/06, 03:14 PM
Maybe he doesn't realize that we do not have a flat tax.
justinevans
06/09/06, 08:09 PM
Maybe he doesn't realize that we do not have a flat tax.
who?
histrionics22
06/09/06, 08:37 PM
Fallingout. Damn quick quote and quick reply.
Justin_stacy
06/09/06, 10:59 PM
I kind of agree with you, I kind of don't but I think that your last part could end up being very wrong if Hillary gets the nomination in '08 because a lot of the democrat base don't like her at all anymore.
I disagree, from what i've seen the base LOVES her, it’s your average "moderate" democrat that has hesitations about her.
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