final fantasy 8 owns 7

[aaronstanton]

end of.

[fluke182]

I agree entirely. Characters, storyline, music, gameplay. Every facet of the game is better in my opinion.

[TJ Wells]

Why do people dislike 8 so much? I never understood that...the card game alone makes it.

Although Squall is uber-emo.

[TheByrus]

i prefer 7.

but 8 is still a fantastic game.

[clace]

i prefer 7.

but 8 is still a fantastic game.

where the hell have you been?

[sweethypocrisy]

i love 8 but 7 destroys it.

[TheByrus]

at work.

[clace]

at work.


bitchcake, guitar hero

[SingleDoubt]

haha!! thank you! i always thought that. i thought FF7 was an epic game, but FF8 was just SO much more fun

[aaronstanton]

yeah i mean, squall was the fucking shit.
i still play it a ton.
the amount of times i have bought that game again is crazy,
don't get me wrong, i love 7, but seriously peoples.... 8 makes me cream! xx

[Freud]

fuck yeah. VIII remains my favorite FF game to date.

[sweethypocrisy]

heres why 8 cant touch 7:
materia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>junction and draw

[Freud]

lionheart>omnislash

[hobbes2809]

I agree entirely. Characters, storyline, music, gameplay. Every facet of the game is better in my opinion.

you are 100% wrong.

i love 8 but 7 destroys it.

you are 100% correct.

[minusthejosh]

7 > 8, end of story. Every facet of VII is better than VIII.

[hobbes2809]

7 > 8, end of story. Every facet of VII is better than VIII.

truth

[randomgrrl2]

Hm, I played 8 first so when I got to 7 and saw the graphics, well, huge letdown. 7 had some funner puzzle-type things and 8 has several pointlessly frustrating moments of gameplay. However, 8 is a better game IMO.
Also, Squall: best-looking, most bad-ass video game character ever?

[gilatron5000]

I think this is the FF version of Mac Vs. PC.

Personally, I think FF7 is the most overrated game of ALL TIME. 8 was so much more fun, in my opinion, the story got me hooked from the first disc, and the fact that the monsters leveled up with you made it more challenging.

Oh, and I think Sephiroth is a pussy.

[hobbes2809]

I think this is the FF version of Mac Vs. PC.

Personally, I think FF7 is the most overrated game of ALL TIME. 8 was so much more fun, in my opinion, the story got me hooked from the first disc, and the fact that the monsters leveled up with you made it more challenging.

Oh, and I think Sephiroth is a pussy.

bah, heresy.

[aaronstanton]

after all of this.....
i think i am gonna whack on my ps1!!
haha.


and btw, junction system is best.

[Ratherbedead22]

the battle system was awful. the fact that enemies leveled up with you was horrible. i like building my guys up so that boss fights are super easy.

that being said, i love the storyline in eight. its honestly my favorite but 7 is the better overall package.

[aaronstanton]

the battle system was awful. the fact that enemies leveled up with you was horrible. i like building my guys up so that boss fights are super easy.

that being said, i love the storyline in eight. its honestly my favorite but 7 is the better overall package.

charecters building up with monsters is great... that way uber lazy people like myself can just refine a ton of good magic, find a good junction, and battle lots of cactar to get extremly high AP without having a ton of EXP... the more gf abilitys with a lower level, the better.

[fluke182]

you are 100% wrong.
Note the part at the end of my sentence that says "in my opinion." Sometimes I find it shocking how people here do not allow others opinions at all. I definitely know what you're saying though, 7 was a great game, but come on, you can't tell me the story for 7 is better than 8's can you?

[Ratherbedead22]

charecters building up with monsters is great... that way uber lazy people like myself can just refine a ton of good magic, find a good junction, and battle lots of cactar to get extremly high AP without having a ton of EXP... the more gf abilitys with a lower level, the better.

yeah thats exactly what i did too.

[aaronstanton]

yeah thats exactly what i did too.


skillllllls

[gilatron5000]

bahahaha. I made FF8 as hard as possible. I used my GameShark to level everyone up to 100. That was fun. Especially trying to steal the tentacles for...was it Irvines final weapon?

[parallelism]

FF7 is amazing, dudes.

7, 8 and 9 are all bomb, but 7 takes it in my opinion.
Then 8.
Then 9.

Seems that they are periodically getting worse. But, I am very excited to see how the new one holds up.

It's weird, because I fucking despise anime and all things of the sort, but I love anything Final Fantasy. It happens, I guess.


By the way...
Knights Of The Round Table/Omnislash > FF8 + FF9 + life itself

I just hate how you get all attached to the characters in the FF series, and then they get killed off. And then, you feel all bad. Happens every time, too.

[Freud]

1. like i said before: lionheart>omnislash
2. eden>knights of the round table

[sweethypocrisy]

8 sucks cause i never found the god damn white garden. then my ff8 disc got ruined. thhheeeennnn i rebought 7 and 8, beat 7, started playing 8 again then i got my xbox, xbox live and halo..so yeah...


but seriously, the storyline in 7 is amazing. the music is the best in any video game. outside of cloud the characters are pretty flat, but basically, the cutscene where sephiroth walks through the fire + "because cloud, you are...a puppet"=7>8

[CallMeChief]

i liked 8 WAY more than 7, and im the only one of my friends to think so

[WakingTheMisery]

9 is my favorite.

[histrionics22]

Materia is not nearly as cool as junctioning. Squall was a lot better than Cloud. The story was a lot better. The gunblade was the most creative weapon yet.

[hobbes2809]

Note the part at the end of my sentence that says "in my opinion." Sometimes I find it shocking how people here do not allow others opinions at all. I definitely know what you're saying though, 7 was a great game, but come on, you can't tell me the story for 7 is better than 8's can you?

okay maybe you are only something like 70% wrong.

I actually do think 7 has a better story and is an overall much better game in all aspects.

[Carlo Marx]

Falsest statement ever.

7 owns 8, but 6 is the best FF game ever.

[colourofstef]

Falsest statement ever.

7 owns 8, but 6 is the best FF game ever.

you may be right there...i loved that game, but never completely finished it...mind you i still love 8 and 9 though...shockingly 7 never grew on me!

[i like guitars]

eight wasnt that great i dont understand why you think its better. the whole junction crap was annoying as hell. seven owns in every way the game play and story were great. i also think nine was better than eight.

[AshesAshes]

Eight was to easy the junction system was a terrible idea.Made the game way to easy.

[ides of march]

7>8 period.

[TJ Wells]

8>7.

[minusthejosh]

6/3 > all other FF games

[niveK]

FF8 is the worst rpg i played.

[Carlo Marx]

6/3 > all other FF games

finally, someone fucking nails it.


6 = best ff of all time, and possibly greatest rpg ever.

[CROMagnon]

6/3 > all other FF games
finally, someone fucking nails it.


6 = best ff of all time, and possibly greatest rpg ever.



the only sane people here

[gilatron5000]

the only sane people herejust who IS that in your signiture?

[sweethypocrisy]

finally, someone fucking nails it.


6 = best ff of all time, and possibly greatest rpg ever.
wow, you guys are cool, except for the whole no-one-was-talking-about-6 part of the thread. its a debate of 7 vs 8.

[Beloved Broken]

8>7, I like it way more.

[Scuba Chris]

I have only played 7-10 and in my opinion it is 8>7>10>9

[selftitled85]

7 is better than 8 in some ways while 8 is better in others.

7 has better characters...better music...better storyline

8 has much cooler abilities...the best summons of any final fantasy series...cool weapons...monsters leveling up with you

overall i feel 7 is better but 8 is close behind.

6 is amazing...the best music of any final fantasy series. and prob one of the greatest storylines to ever be concocted. it just sucks the game is too long to make into a movie.

also i thought cloud was the more bad ass leader because squall just seemed too lazy at points. but the gunblade is prob the best weapon in the final fantasy series

[Scott Weber]

The only part of 8 that's better is the card game, and that's it.

7's story is so deep and emotional, while 8's is just...emo. The game progresses strangely and the battle system is easily the worst out of all the FF games. Junction is the laughing stock of FF forever. Additionally, the characters were better in 7, and Materia was amazing. 8 was just weak all the way around, and there was such a huge lull in the middle of it that I almost quit. Worst FF game ever, period. The story for 7 is often regarded as the greatest story in any RPG, and it's accepted by all critics as the best story in the FF series, so you guys are crazy.

[AshesAshes]

The only part of 8 that's better is the card game, and that's it.

7's story is so deep and emotional, while 8's is just...emo. The game progresses strangely and the battle system is easily the worst out of all the FF games. Junction is the laughing stock of FF forever. Additionally, the characters were better in 7, and Materia was amazing. 8 was just weak all the way around, and there was such a huge lull in the middle of it that I almost quit. Worst FF game ever, period. The story for 7 is often regarded as the greatest story in any RPG, and it's accepted by all critics as the best story in the FF series, so you guys are crazy.
Exactly,the junction was just terrible....the card game was the only thing that kept me playing final fantasy 8.

[gilatron5000]

The only part of 8 that's better is the card game, and that's it.

7's story is so deep and emotional, while 8's is just...emo. The game progresses strangely and the battle system is easily the worst out of all the FF games. Junction is the laughing stock of FF forever. Additionally, the characters were better in 7, and Materia was amazing. 8 was just weak all the way around, and there was such a huge lull in the middle of it that I almost quit. Worst FF game ever, period. The story for 7 is often regarded as the greatest story in any RPG, and it's accepted by all critics as the best story in the FF series, so you guys are crazy.No offense, but I don't give a crap what critics think.

I stopped playing 7 while I was still on the first disc. I thought it was that boring. 8, on the other hand, had me intrigued throughout the entire game.

[histrionics22]

The story of 8 had me more interested. Say what you want. Squall was a lot better leader and a lot cooler than cloud. Junctioning was more interesting than materia. Materia was so simple and boring.

[Vincewithouthee]

I thought 8 was the worst FF that I have played.

I think 7 is the best that I have played, then 10. I loved 10 sooooo much. But of course, 7 is...well, 7. Everyone knows that greatness of 7.

I just want a fucking 12. They've been working forever on that. I'm gonna need to buy a PS2 this fall and that.

[x_Thrice_x]

6 > 7 > 8

But I'm still dying to play some Chrono Trigger REALLY soon.

[parallelism]

The only part of 8 that's better is the card game, and that's it.

7's story is so deep and emotional, while 8's is just...emo. The game progresses strangely and the battle system is easily the worst out of all the FF games. Junction is the laughing stock of FF forever. Additionally, the characters were better in 7, and Materia was amazing. 8 was just weak all the way around, and there was such a huge lull in the middle of it that I almost quit. Worst FF game ever, period. The story for 7 is often regarded as the greatest story in any RPG, and it's accepted by all critics as the best story in the FF series, so you guys are crazy.


Yesss, the storyline in 7 is so so so good. I always feel so bad when Aeris gets iced, and I always feel so happy when Cloud ices Sephiroth, haha. What a dick. Seriously.

But no, really, it's so cohesive and gets you thoroughly attached (or distanced) to all of the characters.

I won't lie, at first I thought it was a bit hokey. But, after playing about 1/3 way through the first disc, it made so much more sense. By the time I was finished with it, I loved it. The story unfolds perfectly, I don't care what anybody else says. The twists and turns are perfect and keep the game completely interesting for the whole game. The characters are developed so well. Plus, the whole fantasy aspect of the game actually isn't corny; it's still unrealistic, but a weird type of unrealistic that you can relate to and believe.

It's got so much staying power, I've probably played through it 4 times now. I haven't ever felt compelled to beat 8 or 9 more than once.

Oh, as a sidenote, materia was such a good idea. And the card game in 8 was sweet too, but materia shits all over it.

7 has it's flaws but I think it comes out on top.

Seriously though, even though this sounds weird and corny as hell, it's one of those games that just makes you think that the world really isn't so bad. I feel super weird saying this, but it almost reminds you to hold onto your friends and shit and that there are actually amazing things out there in the world.

When I finished the game, I felt that one of the underlying themes was that things always have some type of new beginning. It's just super refreshing and the ending is perfect.

Playing through it gives me the same feeling as if I had just watched American Beauty, or Stand By Me, or if I had just played through the first Metal Gear Solid game for the first time.

Wow, that was super long.
Sorry about the 10-page geek sesh.

[Take Heart]

The fact that somebody could seriously believe FF8 was better than FF7 is proof that Western civilization is on the decline.

[greeleye]

8 was rad but zell pissed me off something fierce with his man-capris. w0rst character ever.

http://rpgoblivion.gamingsource.net/ff8/char1%20gallery/images/Zell.jpg
HI! I'M ZELL AND I SUCK LIKE WHITNEY HOUSTON HITS THE CRACK PIPE (hard)

ff7 on the other hand had a super-rad cursin' bamf named barrett. mmm. best character ever.
http://www.blacksuperhero.com/images/barrettw.jpg

[gilatron5000]

8 was rad but zell pissed me off something fierce with his man-capris. w0rst character ever.

http://rpgoblivion.gamingsource.net/ff8/char1%20gallery/images/Zell.jpg
HI! I'M ZELL AND I SUCK LIKE WHITNEY HOUSTON HITS THE CRACK PIPE (hard)

ff7 on the other hand had a super-rad cursin' bamf named barrett. mmm. best character ever.
http://www.blacksuperhero.com/images/barrettw.jpgI will give you that. I loved Barrett. But he was the only character I liked.

[Freud]

ehh the only thing ill say, is i can think of replaying FFVIII and cant think of a single moment in the game that bores me, and that i dread doing. FFVII however, has quite a few. temple of the ancients, the nibelheim visits and definitely the gold saucer. god how i hate those parts.

[Anthony Galasso]

I liked VII. I got 15 minutes into VIII and got bored. Didn't really grab my attention.

[sweethypocrisy]

I liked VII. I got 15 minutes into VIII and got bored. Didn't really grab my attention.
youre just as bad as the guy who said he got bored with VII after the first disc. do you listen to one or two songs on a cd and make your judgement on it? no. so why do that with video games.

i was 7 or 8 when i play ff7 for the first time, it bored the fuck out of me at first. and even as a 8 year old with a short attention span i kept playing, ive since beat the game like 3 times, and im probably gonna start a new game soon.

[selftitled85]

youre just as bad as the guy who said he got bored with VII after the first disc. do you listen to one or two songs on a cd and make your judgement on it? no. so why do that with video games.

i was 7 or 8 when i play ff7 for the first time, it bored the fuck out of me at first. and even as a 8 year old with a short attention span i kept playing, ive since beat the game like 3 times, and im probably gonna start a new game soon.
ilu daniel.

[sweethypocrisy]

ilu daniel.
i love me too.

i mean, ilu2.

[OveriseFan]

Final Fantasy VIII was not good.

Sorry.

[OveriseFan]

An explanation for my reasoning coming soon.

The story for VIII was good, but it was ruined by several key things. It's so complex, and would make a great book or something... but as a game I didn't enjoy it.

[Freud]

the complexity is what made me enjoy the game even more.

[OveriseFan]

the complexity is what made me enjoy the game even more.

*sigh*

The complexity wasn't the negative point...

I'm writing up a detailed complaint tonight.

I enjoyed the story, and the complex little things in it, and they'd make a great book, or maybe even movie, but it's the gameplay(more coming tonight) that ruined it.

[OveriseFan]

By the way, I know why everyone here loves Squall.

He's "the emo kid".

[Scott Weber]

squall was a little bitch.

[OveriseFan]

squall was a little bitch.

haha, I had a longer post with that included, but removed it cause I didn't want everyone pissed.

Yes, he was a little bitch.

Scott, you and me have been agreeing a lot lately. haha.

[Scott Weber]

haha, I had a longer post with that included, but removed it cause I didn't want everyone pissed.

Yes, he was a little bitch.

Scott, you and me have been agreeing a lot lately. haha.
yes, but you did say some ridiculous things about socratic in another thread and I kinda laughed at you...sorry :x

[TJ Wells]

i get the feeling i only enjoyed viii more because it was the first one i played, plus the card game was fuckin addicting

[Scott Weber]

i get the feeling i only enjoyed viii more because it was the first one i played, plus the card game was fuckin addicting
that always has a lot to do with it. and yeah, the card game was so f'in sweet. i've been trying to find a free online java version of it or something for years.

[vandalsandquinn]

most final fantasy games are pretty good, i like playing long epic kind of save the world video games

[ShoelickerBilly]

for me, it goes 6/3 > 4/2 > 7 > 1 > 8.

[TJ Wells]

i think i like vii and viii pretty equally, but nine is the one i'd most likely replay, i think just cause its more childlike and i enjoyed that...it was more fun.

[TJ Wells]

I liked VII. I got 15 minutes into VIII and got bored. Didn't really grab my attention.
so...you watched the intro?

[JesusV2]

My favorite memories of my playstation was playing FF7 and Digimon World 2.

[Freud]

so...you watched the intro?
lol exactly. after watching that intro i dont know how you be like 'oh this is boring'

[Freud]

*sigh*

The complexity wasn't the negative point...

I'm writing up a detailed complaint tonight.

I enjoyed the story, and the complex little things in it, and they'd make a great book, or maybe even movie, but it's the gameplay(more coming tonight) that ruined it.
i look forward to seeing your detailed complaint :) itll make a good topic to talk about.

[bRainDeAdMonKeY]

Weird. I just completed disc 1 of FF8. And i realized, i just dont care. I dont find the story interesting at all. Gunblades are fuckin rad though..

[xvszero]

As I already said, Skies of Arcadia stomps on them both.

[Freud]

As I already said, Skies of Arcadia stomps on them both.
uh no. and in a discussion of FFVIII and FFVII no one cares

[xvszero]

Uh yes. And they should care.

[Freud]

Uh yes. And they should care.
actually no. if this was a thread about rpg's in general, then it might be relevant. hence the title, final fantasy 8 owns 7. skies of arcadia has nothing to do with it. make your own thread about the game if you feel so strongly about it.

[xvszero]

Which is precisely WHY this belongs here, so people realize they should be talking about better RPGs.

Sheesh, logic.

[Freud]

ok if youre talking about skies of arcadia being 'better' then its just a matter of opinion. need i bring in the reviewer's scores for all 3 games? (from gamespot)

skies of arcadia: 7.5
FFVII: 9.5
FFVIII: 9.5

so yeah...its definitely not a better game. like i said, create your own topic about this game.

[selftitled85]

so...you watched the intro?
the intro to 8 completely sucked me in with the whole gunblade fight.

[CROMagnon]

just who IS that in your signiture?
korean pop star lee hyo-ri
wow, you guys are cool, except for the whole no-one-was-talking-about-6 part of the thread. its a debate of 7 vs 8.
well in that case 6 still wins...6 is always present in any talk of final fantasy

[gilatron5000]

youre just as bad as the guy who said he got bored with VII after the first disc. do you listen to one or two songs on a cd and make your judgement on it? no. so why do that with video games.

i was 7 or 8 when i play ff7 for the first time, it bored the fuck out of me at first. and even as a 8 year old with a short attention span i kept playing, ive since beat the game like 3 times, and im probably gonna start a new game soon.Come on now, thats a shitty logic. I didn't "play 15 minutes and get bored."

I gave it an actual shot, and after 24 hours(yes, 24) I couldn't take it anymore. VIII, on the other hand, I couldn't get enough of. It's plain preference. Get over it.

And plus, if you don't like the singles of something you hear on MTV, you don't buy the album anyway. That's just silly.

[Mula225]

Dude..you're wrong. I'll have to say is Sephiroth & Neibelham...

[Freud]

Dude..you're wrong. I'll have to say is Sephiroth & Neibelham...
learn to spell the place correctly before getting in a convo about the game. k?

[Mula225]

I bow to your skills. Shall I kiss your ass now or later??

[Freud]

I bow to your skills. Shall I kiss your ass now or later??
just do a favor and never come back. ill take that as reward enough.

[OveriseFan]

The reasons why VII are greater than VIII(I can't find all my problems with Eight, let's hope I can go off memory)

Gold Saucer. I don't give two shits about your little card game, because it does not top Gold Saucer. I mean, you had Cool Boarders inside an RPG, along with those other games like that fighting thing(so nuts) and whatever. G-Biking was amazing too.

From G-Biking, that scene in the game is one of my favorites in an RPG. Was anyone else so pumped up when they played that? I was so excited when I realized I would have full control over this.

Chocobo Racing and Breeding. I loved this. It was a genius idea. I remember spending hours trying to breed a mountain, river, ocean, and gold chocobo... It was so much fun, and then being able to race all your chocobos was awesome. It was so fulfilling... I didn't get that from anything in VIII.

The Weapons. In my opinion, the only FF games where the endings provided huge changes and fun in the game were VII and VI, though to be fair I never finished X and never bought X-2, I'm 90% sure they didn't have these changes. The Weapons appeared and the scene where you see Rufus and Midgar fall is insane. I also think it really shows how far your characters have come, from being Mercenaries and infiltrating this base, to seeing it destroyed while trying to save it.

The Date scene. Does everyone remember this? I forget his name exactly but let's call him Don Pablo, cause it was something stupid like that. I actually replayed the game a few times to see the different scenarios I could get. It was just another great little detail of this amazing game.

What I think really makes VII better are the subtle little details and secrets in the game. In VIII to find the special summons, all I ever did was check bosses I was fighting with the Draw command. Guess what? That gets you every 'hidden' summon, spare a few other ones(Odin, especially, was fairly easy to find/obtain still), which I'll admit, two of which I didn't know were in the game. Presumably because I didn't play it enough.

Onto complaints with the actual game. It really comes down to the Draw vs. Materia thing. Nothing will ever beat Materia, because it was simple, yet great and... you really needed to search out some of those special ones. Draw just annoyed me, as well as Junctioning. It was confusing and complicated, and I felt like the game revolved around GF's too much.

I also feel that the "plot-twist" in VIII was fairly stupid, story-wise. Suddenly this ultimate-sorceress came out of nowhere, which really bothered me. VII's story to me was just so much better. And that's really what it comes down to for me. However, after reading up some more on VIII, I realize I want to play it again... though I don't know why. The best part of VIII that I can remember is when you're trying to assassinate Edea, which, to be honest, isn't even that cool.

Anyway, hopefully that'll give you something to talk about. I did read up and saw VIII has more secrets than I ever found, but they don't have enough to keep going back like VII did.

[Mula225]

Yeah, I guess I'll do a favor..ass!

[sweethypocrisy]

The reasons why VII are greater than VIII(I can't find all my problems with Eight, let's hope I can go off memory)

Gold Saucer. I don't give two shits about your little card game, because it does not top Gold Saucer. I mean, you had Cool Boarders inside an RPG, along with those other games like that fighting thing(so nuts) and whatever. G-Biking was amazing too.

From G-Biking, that scene in the game is one of my favorites in an RPG. Was anyone else so pumped up when they played that? I was so excited when I realized I would have full control over this.

Chocobo Racing and Breeding. I loved this. It was a genius idea. I remember spending hours trying to breed a mountain, river, ocean, and gold chocobo... It was so much fun, and then being able to race all your chocobos was awesome. It was so fulfilling... I didn't get that from anything in VIII.

The Weapons. In my opinion, the only FF games where the endings provided huge changes and fun in the game were VII and VI, though to be fair I never finished X and never bought X-2, I'm 90% sure they didn't have these changes. The Weapons appeared and the scene where you see Rufus and Midgar fall is insane. I also think it really shows how far your characters have come, from being Mercenaries and infiltrating this base, to seeing it destroyed while trying to save it.

The Date scene. Does everyone remember this? I forget his name exactly but let's call him Don Pablo, cause it was something stupid like that. I actually replayed the game a few times to see the different scenarios I could get. It was just another great little detail of this amazing game.

What I think really makes VII better are the subtle little details and secrets in the game. In VIII to find the special summons, all I ever did was check bosses I was fighting with the Draw command. Guess what? That gets you every 'hidden' summon, spare a few other ones(Odin, especially, was fairly easy to find/obtain still), which I'll admit, two of which I didn't know were in the game. Presumably because I didn't play it enough.

Onto complaints with the actual game. It really comes down to the Draw vs. Materia thing. Nothing will ever beat Materia, because it was simple, yet great and... you really needed to search out some of those special ones. Draw just annoyed me, as well as Junctioning. It was confusing and complicated, and I felt like the game revolved around GF's too much.

I also feel that the "plot-twist" in VIII was fairly stupid, story-wise. Suddenly this ultimate-sorceress came out of nowhere, which really bothered me. VII's story to me was just so much better. And that's really what it comes down to for me. However, after reading up some more on VIII, I realize I want to play it again... though I don't know why. The best part of VIII that I can remember is when you're trying to assassinate Edea, which, to be honest, isn't even that cool.

Anyway, hopefully that'll give you something to talk about. I did read up and saw VIII has more secrets than I ever found, but they don't have enough to keep going back like VII did.
overisefan ftw.

[sweethypocrisy]

also, i cant tell you how many times i reset my playstation because i lost an awesome card in the card game on FF8.

[Vulgar]

bottom line is they should create a cg movie like they did for 7.
i don't care if its retelling the whole story. it'd be sick.

also, sony released a statement a while ago saying they're rereleasing 7 for ps3. =o

[Vulgar]

also, i cant tell you how many times i reset my playstation because i lost an awesome card in the card game on FF8.

yup. especially the character cards that take 3 hours to find.

[Freud]

bottom line is they should create a cg movie like they did for 7.
i don't care if its retelling the whole story. it'd be sick.

also, sony released a statement a while ago saying they're rereleasing 7 for ps3. =o
no. they havent. its been stated numerous times that currently there are no plans to even begin it. everyones either working on FFXIII, FFXIII versus, or kingdom hearts 3. everyone theyve talked to has said theyre too busy and its not something doable at the moment.


overisefan, good argument. later on tonight ill put up my points contradicting them :)

[Scott Weber]

yeah, i doubt we'll ever see a remake of 7 for ps3.

[sweethypocrisy]

yeah, i doubt we'll ever see a remake of 7 for ps3.
incorrect, weebs:
final fantasy VII remake
square enix - 2007
Last year, Square enix teased everyone with what it called "FFVII PS3 tech demo." Well, what do you know: this test case was really a sneak peak at a next-gen revival of the PS1 role-playing hit

[Scott Weber]

incorrect, weebs:
Incorrect, dude.



The demo depicted the introduction sequence to the original Final Fantasy VII, but was titled "Technical Demo for PS3." This means that it may or may not turn into an actual game. The PS3 can finally deliver Final Fantasy the way it gamers always wanted it to be delivered -- looking just like the CG cutscenes.

The demonstration was a complete recreation of the beginning to Final Fantasy VII using some "awesome, awesome" graphics (according to our staff on the scene). It's an exact duplicate of the original game. It could even be a full recreation.

UPDATE: We received word as soon as our boys made it back that Square Enix wanted to make it clear that there will not be a Final Fantasy VII remake for PS3. Repeat, there will not be a remake. But, there will be a new Final Fantasy game for the system somewhere down the line. We'll have info on that as it happens.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614692p1.html

Find me an exact quote from Sony Enix and then I'll be convinced.

[sweethypocrisy]

Incorrect, dude.



http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614692p1.html

Find me an exact quote from Sony Enix and then I'll be convinced.
your quote is from over a year ago, mines from a month ago.

[Scott Weber]

your quote is from over a year ago, mines from a month ago.
Yours isn't even a source, it's just speculation like everything else. I have direct quotes from Sony...what do you have? Your thing just says the same thing everyone's been saying for like 3 years.

[sweethypocrisy]

Yours isn't even a source, it's just speculation like everything else. I have direct quotes from Sony...what do you have? Your thing just says the same thing everyone's been saying for like 3 years.
*sigh*
nevermind.

but you have to make a shrine to me if the game actually does come out.

[Scott Weber]

*sigh*
nevermind.

but you have to make a shrine to me if the game actually does come out.
which it never will.

[Freud]

your quote is from over a year ago, mines from a month ago. the article of which you speak of is from EGM. not that great of a source. like scott said, show a direct source saying that they have ANY plans of it and ill stand corrected.

however, i will show you direct sources stating the opposite:

http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1125510480.2163.html

"According to recent reports and an interview in Electronic Gaming Monthly with Yoshinori Kitase at Square Enix, a possible remake of the original PlayStation's success story - Final Fantasy VII - on the PlayStation 3 in the quality we witnessed at this year's E3 would take more than five years and a team of more than 300 people, making an FFVII on the PS3 more unlikely."
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2005/2056.html

"Tetsuya Nomura for his part explained that once the development of Kingdom Hearts II was completed, he would move on to a new project. He ruled out that this new project would be a remake of Final Fantasy VII, and simply put he would not work on a remake or sequel. The success of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children and the possibility to display the world of Final Fantasy VII with today's technology, gave him a boost of confidence."
This "new project" has now been confirmed as FF vs 13, just as he said.

http://www.ps3portal.com/ps3/article/427.html

E3 2005 raised a lot of speculation when Sony revealed the Final Fantasy VII tech demo for the PlayStation 3. The demo featured what the 1997 hit, Final Fantasy VII would look like if it were to be a PS3 title. Despite it just being a tech demo and not a full out trailer, speculation still increased as gamers believe Square-Enix with conjunction to Advent Children is working on a Final Fantasy 7 remake for the PlayStation 3.
IGN (http://www.ign.com/) managed to speak with Square-Enix themselves to get the information on this situation and this is what they had to say;
"Since the FINAL FANTASY VII tech demo at E3 2005, there have been a lot of rumors about the presentation hinting at an actual remake. While the June 2006 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly confirms the remake for release in 2007, Square Enix has never stated this.
We have however confirmed that development has begun for Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII on PlayStation 3. These titles are part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis Project which also includes a titled FINAL FANTASY Agito XIII."
This still doesn't resolve the issue either way, but it does support the side leaning towards improbable.







and best buy made a stupid mistake of taking pre-orders for the remake. heres what squeenix had to say:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/712/712893p1.html

Retail giant Best Buy has begun taking preorders for the Final Fantasy VII remake for PlayStation 3 (see for yourself by clicking right here (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7858605&type=product&id=1142300188021)). This is an event we found particularly curious considering that Square Enix has repeatedly told the gaming press that the title hasn't been confirmed (as evidenced in this story (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/709/709775p1.html)) and that the visual that's out there was only intended for "PS3 tech demo purposes" at E3 2005.


As always, your buddies here at IGN contacted Square Enix representatives to see what the real story is. Here's what they had to say:
"We have confirmed that Final Fantasy XIII is in development, but have NOT confirmed an FF7 remake at any time. The remake has been a popular subject for rumors, but that's all they are. Obviously the Best Buy listing was made in error"

so seriously people. its not coming out.

[Freud]

and the gamefaqs messageboard is read-worthy on this topic
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928303&topic=28097639

[Scott Weber]

nice.

[OveriseFan]

VII better not be remade.

if it is I'll refuse to buy it.

That was fun to look at, but there's no need for it.

Now if they made FFVI in like 3-d or whatever and changed it up some, I'd probably give that a run. Though it'd still be pointless and I'd rather have more new stuff from SE.

[OveriseFan]

overisefan, good argument. later on tonight ill put up my points contradicting them :)

Looking forward to it. By the way, my brother took 7, 8, and 9 with him when he left a few months ago. I'm pissed. I need to steal at least one back. I started playing "Xenosaga" and it's just nowhere near as good.

also, i cant tell you how many times i reset my playstation because i lost an awesome card in the card game on FF8.

YES!

I hated that. haha. Especially cause I sucked at that card game... a lot. It was fun, don't get me wrong, but it was mainly hit or miss.

IX's card game sucked.

[Scott Weber]

i still think that 8, as a game, is a disgrace to the final fantasy series. it was absolutely awful as far as gameplay and story.

[sweethypocrisy]

Looking forward to it. By the way, my brother took 7, 8, and 9 with him when he left a few months ago. I'm pissed. I need to steal at least one back. I started playing "Xenosaga" and it's just nowhere near as good.



YES!

I hated that. haha. Especially cause I sucked at that card game... a lot. It was fun, don't get me wrong, but it was mainly hit or miss.

IX's card game sucked.
i rocked crotch at the card game, but sometimes there was nothing you could do.

[Freud]

The reasons why VII are greater than VIII(I can't find all my problems with Eight, let's hope I can go off memory)

Gold Saucer. I don't give two shits about your little card game, because it does not top Gold Saucer. I mean, you had Cool Boarders inside an RPG, along with those other games like that fighting thing(so nuts) and whatever. G-Biking was amazing too.
ill give you that. FFVIII if i remember correctly, the only mini-game was the card game. and i didnt even like that to begin with. but after time it was pretty addicting.

From G-Biking, that scene in the game is one of my favorites in an RPG. Was anyone else so pumped up when they played that? I was so excited when I realized I would have full control over this. Chocobo Racing and Breeding. I loved this. It was a genius idea. I remember spending hours trying to breed a mountain, river, ocean, and gold chocobo... It was so much fun, and then being able to race all your chocobos was awesome. It was so fulfilling... I didn't get that from anything in VIII.

The Weapons. In my opinion, the only FF games where the endings provided huge changes and fun in the game were VII and VI, though to be fair I never finished X and never bought X-2, I'm 90% sure they didn't have these changes. The Weapons appeared and the scene where you see Rufus and Midgar fall is insane. I also think it really shows how far your characters have come, from being Mercenaries and infiltrating this base, to seeing it destroyed while trying to save it.
i dont see what youre saying on this. how did the ending provide any huge change and what do the weapons have to do with that. or was that just 2 different ideas?

The Date scene. Does everyone remember this? I forget his name exactly but let's call him Don Pablo, cause it was something stupid like that. I actually replayed the game a few times to see the different scenarios I could get. It was just another great little detail of this amazing game.
FFVIII has a somewhat similiar scenario. when squall takes rinoa on their little 'date' you get to customize what instruments the rest of the members play in the band. it makes for interesting and funny scenarios with so many different instruments.

What I think really makes VII better are the subtle little details and secrets in the game. In VIII to find the special summons, all I ever did was check bosses I was fighting with the Draw command. Guess what? That gets you every 'hidden' summon, spare a few other ones(Odin, especially, was fairly easy to find/obtain still), which I'll admit, two of which I didn't know were in the game. Presumably because I didn't play it enough.
while a majority of the summons were found on bosses, a lot were harder. the majority were found through side quests. the basic element summons were found on bosses, while you had to go through a lot to get the more powerful ones, such as eden, doomtrain, and a couple others.

Onto complaints with the actual game. It really comes down to the Draw vs. Materia thing. Nothing will ever beat Materia, because it was simple, yet great and... you really needed to search out some of those special ones. Draw just annoyed me, as well as Junctioning. It was confusing and complicated, and I felt like the game revolved around GF's too much.
i think the draw system was a whole lot more effective. and not even that complicated. you could set it to auto junction the magic to 3 different presets, if i remember correctly it was HP, ATK, and DEF. in regards to the materia vs junction argument, i felt that the materia system was too limited. lets say you get a piece of equipment in FFVII with the maximum number of materia slots allocated to it. which i think is 8? or 6? say a weapon has 8 slots, and a piece of armor has the same number. that limits you to 12-16 different kinds of materias. unless you got the Master Materias, which contained every kind of magic for that kind of materia, be it Magic, Summon, etc. and that was a task by itself. in VIII you could have over 30 different kinds of magic attached to you. like i said, there was an auto junction option, which pretty much junctioned everything to you itself. thanks to all the draw points in the world, you rarely had to draw from enemies. and the battles were never too difficult that i feared dying for using a turn to draw magic from an enemy. plus the magic in VIII was better in my opinion. Double, Triple, and Aura were amazing.

I also feel that the "plot-twist" in VIII was fairly stupid, story-wise. Suddenly this ultimate-sorceress came out of nowhere, which really bothered me. VII's story to me was just so much better. And that's really what it comes down to for me. However, after reading up some more on VIII, I realize I want to play it again... though I don't know why. The best part of VIII that I can remember is when you're trying to assassinate Edea, which, to be honest, isn't even that cool.
the story in VIII i felt was so much deeper than VII. in VIII, it wasnt a set story. you didnt know everything that was happening and had plenty of unexpected twists. you start out as a pupil in a school for hired assassins (SeeDS) who are sent on a mission to assassinate a sorceress. in the process one of your fellow classmates turns on you and ends up being a major enemy. then you find out the sorceress you were sent to kill was just the tip of the iceberg. rival schools fought, all hell broke loose, and then when you thought you had defeated the sorceress, all hell broke loose. it turns out theres a greater force behind it, and it possesses Rinoa. as the plot unfolds, everything in the characters past is revealed to being important as to whats happening, including everything at the orphanage when they were just kids. the plot is just so deep compared to VII's. in VII's, a meteor is coming towards the planet. thats revealed pretty early, and the whole game is about how to stop it. and....thats pretty much. cloud's past is a big part, but thats really only the other storyline.

Anyway, hopefully that'll give you something to talk about. I did read up and saw VIII has more secrets than I ever found, but they don't have enough to keep going back like VII did.

my responses to your statements are bolded. now ill just say some other info. VII was the RPG-breakthough of our lifetime. every FF before that had been in 2-D, and VII was the first to do it 3-D. ill admit, it truly is a wonderful game. but that was its main point, the breakthrough of FFs to the current gen of gaming. VIII took what VII had introduced and built on it, which is what pretty much every FF does, build on the previous one.

VIII was also the first FF to be more....i want to say..."technologically advanced" in the game. while most of the FF games you can say take place in a alternate universe in the past, FFVIII seemed more 'futuristic'. which was definitely a change.

also in my argument about summons/GF's: FFVIII was the first game to incorporate the GFs to have their own HP and in turn, received EXP and leveled up. the skills you could get the GF to learn, and then you could equip, was an amazing idea. such as the character skills: HP boosts, strength boosts, magic boosts, a revive ability (eliminating the use of phoenix downs and revive magic), etc. plus, the Boost ability was awesome. the ability to boost your summon power, up to %250...well you cant go wrong with that. especially with Eden.

now ill talk about the whole limit break setups in both games. in VII, it was flawless. take enough damage, and build up the meter. then you could get healed, and unleash a deathblow and voila thats it. VIII on the other hand, the only way to reach limit break status at first was to get in critical condition, and then it would kick in. as soon as you healed yourself, boom! no more limit breaks. so in VII, you could be at full health and unleash omni-slash. and in VIII you had to be almost dead to do any limit breaks.
but of course that all changes when you get the Aura magic. just cast that, and instant limit break status for a duration of time. piece of cake.

the whole concept of having to read magazines and other things in order to learn other limit breaks and obtain further weapon enhancements was pretty 'ugh'. not only did you have to read magazines to get new weapons, but you also had to obtain a certain amount of items in order to make it. it may sound like a fun idea, but it was just too tedious. especially when in order to get an item, you first had to get a GF to learn an ability, then equip that ability, then find a hard to encounter enemy, and then hope that enemy drops the item that you need. it just took too long.

now im not saying VIII was a perfect game, as noted by my complaints above. but neither was VII. i just personally enjoyed VIII more, and for those reasons, i feel VIII is the better game.

[kidinthecorner]

I loved 7 to death and got bored with 8 near the end. If it ends, or towards the end, is some tower, that's as far as I got.

[SePaMc]

VII > VIII.

Anyone willing to sell me a copy of VII? pm me. thnx.

[OveriseFan]

my responses to your statements are bolded. now ill just say some other info. VII was the RPG-breakthough of our lifetime. every FF before that had been in 2-D, and VII was the first to do it 3-D. ill admit, it truly is a wonderful game. but that was its main point, the breakthrough of FFs to the current gen of gaming. VIII took what VII had introduced and built on it, which is what pretty much every FF does, build on the previous one.

VIII was also the first FF to be more....i want to say..."technologically advanced" in the game. while most of the FF games you can say take place in a alternate universe in the past, FFVIII seemed more 'futuristic'. which was definitely a change.

also in my argument about summons/GF's: FFVIII was the first game to incorporate the GFs to have their own HP and in turn, received EXP and leveled up. the skills you could get the GF to learn, and then you could equip, was an amazing idea. such as the character skills: HP boosts, strength boosts, magic boosts, a revive ability (eliminating the use of phoenix downs and revive magic), etc. plus, the Boost ability was awesome. the ability to boost your summon power, up to %250...well you cant go wrong with that. especially with Eden.

now ill talk about the whole limit break setups in both games. in VII, it was flawless. take enough damage, and build up the meter. then you could get healed, and unleash a deathblow and voila thats it. VIII on the other hand, the only way to reach limit break status at first was to get in critical condition, and then it would kick in. as soon as you healed yourself, boom! no more limit breaks. so in VII, you could be at full health and unleash omni-slash. and in VIII you had to be almost dead to do any limit breaks.
but of course that all changes when you get the Aura magic. just cast that, and instant limit break status for a duration of time. piece of cake.

the whole concept of having to read magazines and other things in order to learn other limit breaks and obtain further weapon enhancements was pretty 'ugh'. not only did you have to read magazines to get new weapons, but you also had to obtain a certain amount of items in order to make it. it may sound like a fun idea, but it was just too tedious. especially when in order to get an item, you first had to get a GF to learn an ability, then equip that ability, then find a hard to encounter enemy, and then hope that enemy drops the item that you need. it just took too long.

now im not saying VIII was a perfect game, as noted by my complaints above. but neither was VII. i just personally enjoyed VIII more, and for those reasons, i feel VIII is the better game.

My main problem with VIII's story is that it was so over the place, really. There were times when I didn't know where to go and just looked around(how I found Odin actually.). It all comes down to our opinions on what we want in games, and you gave very valid reasons why VIII is a great game. I need to play it again, but as I said, my brother has it at the moment.

Anyway, thanks for responding.

That date with Rinoa was fun actually. I just remembered that.

[Freud]

My main problem with VIII's story is that it was so over the place, really. There were times when I didn't know where to go and just looked around(how I found Odin actually.). It all comes down to our opinions on what we want in games, and you gave very valid reasons why VIII is a great game. I need to play it again, but as I said, my brother has it at the moment.

Anyway, thanks for responding.

That date with Rinoa was fun actually. I just remembered that.
definitely :) like i said earlier in the thread, for me its so easy to pick up VIII and play it and get into it without getting bored. with VII, i get bored with the whole Midgar scenario and Cosmo Canyon. but then once you get onto the 2nd and 3rd discs, no boredom.