The Josh Towers Memorial Award

[mikeford]

alright, lets keep track of this. I am starting an unofficial award for the worst MLB starting pitcher. the catch is they have to stay in the MLB. so josh towers and jose lima dont count unless they come back to the MLB.


Front runner right now looks like Jorge Sosa... 1-8, 5.53 ERA

Bruce Chen looks poised to take the award in the long run, however... with his 0-6 record with a 7.76 ERA

[xbrokendownx]

oh, im gonna have fun with this. let me get to searching....


they have to be in the MLB right now?

[Broken Parachute]

I'm betting on either of these guys:

Oliver Perez, PIT
2-7, 7.18 ERA, 42 walks allowed, 49 K's

Scott Elarton, KC
1-7, 5.09 ERA, 34 walks allowed, 32 K's

Jeremy Affeldt, KC
2-5, 7.91 ERA, 30 walks allowed, 20 K's

[xbrokendownx]

I'm betting on:

Oliver Perez, PIT
2-7, 7.18 ERA, 42 walks allowed, 49 K's



damnit thats who i was gonna say! haha

[Broken Parachute]

damnit thats who i was gonna say! haha

haha check the other two, I edited my post with 2 more.

[xbrokendownx]

haha oh man, thats not fair though, if youre on the royals you automatically suck lol

[mikeford]

oliver perez, good choice.

[StandMyBrothers]

Eudo Brito, PHI
0-2, 10.38 ERA, 2k's, 5 walks

Joe Mays, CIN
0-4, 10.27 ERA, 9 k's, 14 walks

Aaron Small NYY
0-3, 9.26 ERA, 10 ks, 10 walks

Jeremi Gonzales, MIL
0-0, 8.05 ERA, 15 k's, 9 walks

Scott Erickson NYY
0-0, 7.94 ERA, 2 k's, 7 walks

Carlos Silva, MIN
2-7, 7.76 ERA, 20 k's, 9 walks

Brian Moehler FLA
3-5, 7.17 ERA, 24 k's, 17 walks

Mark Redman, KC
1-4, 6.80 ERA, 19 k's, 19 walks

Rodrigo Lopez BAL
4-7, 6.75 ERA, 45 k's, 25 walks

Russ Ortiz ARI
0-4, 6.52 ERA, 17 k's, 18 walks

Seth McClung TB
2-8, 6.25 ERA, 32 k's, 42 walks

[mikeford]

aaron small and scott erickson are not starters.

[Brownpants06]

Hahahahaha

AJ Burnett REC 0-1 | SV 0 | ERA 6.30 | WHIP 1.40



haha :(

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Jorge fucking Sosa. No doubt. His stats may not be the worst, but you have to remember he has a solid defense behind him that has probably saved him a few runs (per game!)

Trust me. I have to watch this motherfucker pitch every 5-6 days. I can't wait until Kyle Davies comes back and boots Sosa out of the rotation. And that's saying ALOT.

[fromwithin]

You cant count perez because in his two wins he was dominant. He has no fucking control whatsoever and thats led to the 7 losses. My vote would go to Ortiz only because this guy won 21 GAMES three years ago.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

You cant count perez because in his two wins he was dominant. He has no fucking control whatsoever and thats led to the 7 losses. My vote would go to Ortiz only because this guy won 21 GAMES three years ago.
Question with Russ Ortiz:

Was it Leo Mazzone, or did his mechanics just go totally off?

EDIT:

And it's not like his ERA was ever that good. 4.99, 3.81, 5.01, 3.29, 3.61, 3.81, 4.13, 6.89, and this year's 6.52

[fromwithin]

Question with Russ Ortiz:

Was it Leo Mazzone, or did his mechanics just go totally off?

EDIT:

And it's not like his ERA was ever that good. 4.99, 3.81, 5.01, 3.29, 3.61, 3.81, 4.13, 6.89, and this year's 6.52
haha im looking on his stats this year and he did have one quality start:

2.1 IP 1 hit 0 ER he probably got hurt though haha.

I honestly think he's lost his stuff, or he had more offense back then versus now. Before he got to arizona he won 18, 14, 17, 14, 21, and 15 games in successive years. I wouldnt care one bit if I was him though he's getting 8 mil this year.

[Scott Weber]

you know, the funny thing is that oliver perez is a fucking stud in MVP Baseball 2005 and he becomes to be one of the best in the game 2 or 3 years down the line.

[histrionics22]

you know, the funny thing is that oliver perez is a fucking stud in MVP Baseball 2005 and he becomes to be one of the best in the game 2 or 3 years down the line.
He has the stuff to be a star. Mentally and mechanically he's not there.

[Goodbye Forever]

Kyle Loshe would be up there if he hadn't been moved to the bullpen.

Glendon Rusch, CHC: 2-5, 8.42 ERA, 2 HR's allowed to Bronson Arroyo

[mikeford]

you know, the funny thing is that oliver perez is a fucking stud in MVP Baseball 2005 and he becomes to be one of the best in the game 2 or 3 years down the line.

he has nasty stuff but he rick wild thing vaughns it up and cant control it... like someone said, dude won 21 games once.

[bigmike]

You cant count perez because in his two wins he was dominant. He has no fucking control whatsoever and thats led to the 7 losses. My vote would go to Ortiz only because this guy won 21 GAMES three years ago.
just because he's looked good in his 2 wins, doesn't negate the fact that in nearly 70% of decisions, he's terrible.

[fromwithin]

just because he's looked good in his 2 wins, doesn't negate the fact that in nearly 70% of decisions, he's terrible.

well in order to be the worst pitcher in my mind nearly 100% of your starts would have to be terrible, which ortiz' are/were.

[crit]

sept. 10: josh towers is back! and he still sucks!
1.2 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 4 R (2 ER)

[thejetstolehome]

aaron small and scott erickson are not starters.

and neither is in the majors.

the guy who started against the yankees had a 108 ERA coming into today. no not 10.8. one hundred eight.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

and neither is in the majors.

the guy who started against the yankees had a 108 ERA coming into today. no not 10.8. one hundred eight.

Hayden Penn:
W-L ERA K Walks WHIP
0-1 108.00 0 0 12.00


September 3rd against Oakland: 0.2 IP - 8 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 1 HR. Opponents BA: .800

EDIT:

Today's 3 inning, 9 hit, 7 run outing actually LOWERED his ERA to 36.82 and his WHIP to 5.18. oh boy.

[fcknazisympathy]

Hayden Penn:
W-L ERA K Walks WHIP
0-1 108.00 0 0 12.00


September 3rd against Oakland: 0.2 IP - 8 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 1 HR. Opponents BA: .800

EDIT:

Today's 3 inning, 9 hit, 7 run outing actually LOWERED his ERA to 36.82 and his WHIP to 5.18. oh boy.

Hahahahahaha

[crit]

he's back tonight! apparently toronto was REALLY desperate for a starter.

[looksthatkillbn]

he's back tonight! apparently toronto was REALLY desperate for a starter.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i remember seeing this guy in aaa. funny stuff.

[crit]

1 inning, 2 hits, 1 run. 2 k's.

[looksthatkillbn]

1 inning, 2 hits, 1 run. 2 k's.

he's on pace...

[crit]

he's on pace...
he sure is! last year's 8.42 era looks very reachable haha. 62 ip, 58 er. wowww.

[Brownpants06]

4IP 6H 2ER 4SO 4.50ERA

thats not bad.

[kshtoinks12]

People like Josh Towers make me wish I could just get drafted and look better than him.

[crit]

4IP 6H 2ER 4SO 4.50ERA

thats not bad.
no, he wasn't terrible which is a surprise.
5.2 ip, 10 h, 6r (3er) 6k.

[bigmike]

My money is on Sidney Ponson being this years Josh Towers.

[ashcroft]

My money is on Sidney Ponson being this years Josh Towers.

Look at the stats of tonights game...Josh Towers is this years Josh Towers.

[ashcroft]

he's back tonight! apparently toronto was REALLY desperate for a starter.
Of course, they were. Outside of Halladay our starting pitching blows.

[Brownpants06]

thats a lie

[crit]

My money is on Sidney Ponson being this years Josh Towers.
he's the leading candidate so far in my mind.

[thejetstolehome]

no it's not. the fact that the loss of Ted Lilly made your rotation significantly worse is a bad sign.

[bigmike]

he's the leading candidate so far in my mind.
He'll be pushed by fellow rotation inhabitiants Carlos Silva and Ramon Ortiz.

OOF.

And people think the Twins will win the division. Yeah. Okay.

[Broken Parachute]

Ted Lilly is getting his shit together. I like him.

[ashcroft]

thats a lie
explain how its a lie. I'm a die hard jays fan, but I see no real talent past halladay.

[bigmike]

explain how its a lie. I'm a die hard jays fan, but I see no real talent past halladay.
Well, one would be foolish to say AJ Burnett doesn't have talent. The question with him, however, is health. And if he's healthy, 3-5 are still pretty weak. Especially for the AL East lineups the Jays face.

[ashcroft]

Okay...Burnett has talent, but just to assume he's going to be a really good number 2 pitcher is a little questionable. I don't know. It just seems as if the majority of Toronto fans have embraced him as this amazing pitcher, but in his career he's never been outstanding.

[thejetstolehome]

behind Halladay, if he's healthy, Burnett would be a great two starter.

[ashcroft]

If he's healthy, but honestly it seems as if he's percieved in Canada as thing absolutely amazing pitcher. I don't think a career high of 12 wins is amazing and don't get me started on his no-hitter.

[Brownpants06]

janssen and marcum have been playing stellar this year, and will both probably end up in the rotation. chacin will get it together with experience, and aj burnett can deal when healthy, and he shows no signs of having trouble this year so far.

saying we only have halladay is irrational.

[thejetstolehome]

i'm not saying he's an amazing pitcher but if healthy, he's a good guy to have at number two, especially considering he has the stuff most number ones have.

[ashcroft]

I take back the no talent thing, but I'd feel much stronger if AJ was our number 3 and we had a more reliable number 2. I don't hold a ton of faith in AJ, I'd like to. But that career high 12 win scares me a little. He did pitch well when he came back last year though (8-3? I believe). I was at the game last night, and even though his stats came out great, he didn't look the smoothest.

[thejetstolehome]

I take back the no talent thing, but I'd feel much stronger if AJ was our number 3 and we had a more reliable number 2. I don't hold a ton of faith in AJ, I'd like to. But that career high 12 win scares me a little. He did pitch well when he came back last year though (8-3? I believe). I was at the game last night, and even though his stats came out great, he didn't look the smoothest.

who would you take as a number 2 then? if Burnett were your number 3, you'd probably have the best rotation in the league. he's a number 2 guy and if you didn't have Halladay, he'd be the number one.

[bigmike]

in years when Burnett's started 25 games or more in the Majors he's posted WHIPS of 1.32, 1.19, and 1.26. In another year he had 20 starts he posted a 1.17.

In the first 3 years I posted his WHIP's from he had 128:83, 203:90, 198:79 and 113:38 K:BB ratios.

Again, the question is his health. He's got #1 stuff.

[ashcroft]

Its real hard to say now what I'd like. Like you can always dream of a perfect rotation. I'm happy we have Burnett, and I regret saying the no talent thing. I'm just saying that everyone I talk to here in Ontario is saying how Burnett is amazing (which has never been proven) and that we're going to actually do something this year. One of the biggest arguments I have with the whole "we're going to do something this year" is that, our GM said last year that in order to do anything we need to improve our pitching, but we did nothing about it. If Zambrano can get healthy and move into the three spot, I think I'd be happy with Halladay, Burnett, Chacin, Zambrano and Ohka. Even if we get that though...we're still ending up in third.

[bigmike]

janssen and marcum have been playing stellar this year, and will both probably end up in the rotation. chacin will get it together with experience, and aj burnett can deal when healthy, and he shows no signs of having trouble this year so far.

saying we only have halladay is irrational.
Eh. Chacin's probably not a horse you want to pin hopes of a good year to. He's just not that good.

[ashcroft]

Why is nobody talking about his no-hitter?

[ashcroft]

Chacin was good before everyone in the league figured out how to hit him. As in the end of his first full season / beginning of the next.

[mattregan]

the jacket fixed oliver perez

[bigmike]

Chacin was good before everyone in the league figured out how to hit him. As in the end of his first full season / beginning of the next.
Chacin will be a .500 pitcher at best. I think he's got another decent year in him, but his ERA is flukey with all his other numbers he's posted/posting.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/player/index.php?lastName=chacin

His ERA was 5.05 last year and his FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching...takes the good/bad defense/luck out of play and measures what the pitcher can control) was 6.46.

[Goodbye Forever]

the jacket fixed oliver perez

Shhhhhhhhhhhh.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Oliver Perez might get a nomination from me.

[selftitled85]

jeff weaver ftw

[The Matt Kaufman]

jeff weaver ftw

Jeff weaver as a yankee

mind you he pitched well in the playoffs and got a pretty good deal from the Mariners

[selftitled85]

Jeff weaver as a yankee

mind you he pitched well in the playoffs and got a pretty good deal from the Mariners

did you see his game yesterday matty?

he was the pitcher in the sox mariners game yesterday...you know...the 14-1 game.

[The Matt Kaufman]

did you see his game yesterday matty?

he was the pitcher in the sox mariners game yesterday...you know...the 14-1 game.

lol nope

[kbauer]

I know, I pretty much missed this thread but Im going to jump in and say Jose Mesa, 4 appearences, 2 innings pitched, 7 hits, 1 homerun, 6 earned runs, only 2 walks, 20.25 era . I dont think hes recorded an out yet.

If relievers dont apply I'll say temporary starter, Chad Durbin, 3 starts 0-1 record with a 10.54 era. If youve seen him, youll see that he cant get the ball over the plate without it hanging, screaming for the batter to hit 410 ft., for more than consecutive 2 innings. I dont think he'll be in the mlb much longer though, or atleast in the rotation, give it a month tops. But for now, yes.

I hate to say 2 Tigers but I dont pay too much attention to other teams gas cans this early in the season and I think so far theyre 2 worthy canidates.

[bigmike]

Chad Durbin's first 5 innings yesterday negate any arguments against him. he was looking dominant against the White Sox until the 6th, when he shouldn't have been in the game.

[Brownpants06]

towers is putting together another quality start... wooo

[StuGrimson]

ANd the Jays still cant score runs....your from Waterloo eh...university?

[Talib Scottie]

did you see his game yesterday matty?

he was the pitcher in the sox mariners game yesterday...you know...the 14-1 game.

The worst pitching I've seen will always be Kenny Rogers as a Yankee in the postseason.... I hope you understand what I mean.... haha.

[Scott Weber]

1) Jeff Weaver
2) Gary Sheffield

[kbauer]

Chad Durbin's first 5 innings yesterday negate any arguments against him. he was looking dominant against the White Sox until the 6th, when he shouldn't have been in the game.

I thought it was the 5th he started falling apart. Anyways, I honestly missed that game because of work. I heard he was featuring some good stuff, still he has a decent breaking ball but everything else hangs over the plate like bating practice. Maybe he can get some momentum from that start where he threw some good innings and get it togather. Hope he does ofcourse, though I would rather just swap him and Ledezma. Screw the lefty factor, lets just use him to get 5 quality innings and see if Durbin can get us 2 or 3.

[bigmike]

I thought it was the 5th he started falling apart. Anyways, I honestly missed that game because of work. I heard he was featuring some good stuff, still he has a decent breaking ball but everything else hangs over the plate like bating practice. Maybe he can get some momentum from that start where he threw some good innings and get it togather. Hope he does ofcourse, though I would rather just swap him and Ledezma. Screw the lefty factor, lets just use him to get 5 quality innings and see if Durbin can get us 2 or 3.
Nah, he sat the Sox down in order in the 5th then walked 2 in the 6th i believe before we brought in Jason grilli. Still, 5 innings is all you get from Durbin and that's all we should expect. And I agree on Ledezma. He's more valuable for 5 innings then he is for 1 or 2 matchups out of the bullpen.

[kbauer]

since this is still open...

another vote for Jeff the dream Weaver

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/concert_picture/ph_213711.jpg

W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB K
0 6 14.32 6 6 22 50 35 35 4 7 12

[rcrook]

since this is still open...

Jeff the dream Weaver

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/concert_picture/ph_213711.jpg

W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB K
0 6 14.32 6 6 22 50 35 35 4 7 12



biggest fluke to ever win a world series ring

[kbauer]

worst is that he did it against the Tigers. Motherfucker was basically kicked out of Detroit for being a dick.

[rcrook]

worst is that he did it against the Tigers. Motherfucker was basically kicked out of Detroit for being a dick.

we just kicked him out because he was fucking awful...and we needed to make room for his brother.

[we are cured]

fucking weaver.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

we just kicked him out because he was fucking awful...and we needed to make room for his brother.
That was the funniest thing ever. "Sorry Jeff, you suck. We're releasing you so Jered can pitch."