convince me that radiohead isnt boring

[TheLastSunrise]

yeah, creep is okay and ok computer is "mad influential and shit" or whatever. but seriously, does anyone actually like them or do they jsut say they do to sound cool?

[Chromefox]

Paranoid Android.

You're welcome.

[anthonydarko]

Another one of these threads?

[kearn1tm]

I know, guy. They're like, British and shit. LAME! USA USA USA GUNS AND BBQ SAUCE!

[TheLastSunrise]

I know, guy. They're like, British and shit. LAME! USA USA USA GUNS AND BBQ SAUCE!
you go to cmu you're obviously dumb

[11:11]

Aren't you the same guy who was talking about how lame Bright Eyes is?

[TheLastSunrise]

Aren't you the same guy who was talking about how lame Bright Eyes is?

hahah probly idk. i only go on this gay site when im on drugs. bright eyes is gay tho.

[11:11]

hahah probly idk. i only go on this gay site when im on drugs. bright eyes is gay tho.
Homophobic much?

[Chromefox]

hahah probly idk. i only go on this gay site when im on drugs. bright eyes is gay tho. You should put this in your biography.

[TheLastSunrise]

Homophobic much?

ok, using gay as a negitive adjetive doesnt make you homophobic. its been used in that sense so much that much that the two definitions are completely seperate. calling something gay isnt at all related to calling a person gay. get off your high horse broooo.

[11:11]

ok, using gay as a negitive adjetive doesnt make you homophobic. its been used in that sense so much that much that the two definitions are completely seperate. calling something gay isnt at all related to calling a person gay. get off your high horse broooo.
I still don't see how calling this site or Bright Eyes "gay" is relevant. Why didn't you just say "I don't like this site" or "I don't like Bright Eyes"?

[nkalldayyy]

yeah, creep is okay and ok computer is "mad influential and shit" or whatever. but seriously, does anyone actually like them or do they jsut say they do to sound cool?

I enjoyed In Rainbows. some of their music is a little too spacey for me, but I really appreciated that album.

I know, guy. They're like, British and shit. LAME! USA USA USA GUNS AND BBQ SAUCE!

LOL.

[Troggy]

If they bore you, don't listen to them. Are a bunch of AP members really going to make them suddenly interest you with long thought out dissertations on how awesome Radiohead is?

[FueledByFrodo]

ok, using gay as a negitive adjetive doesnt make you homophobic. its been used in that sense so much that much that the two definitions are completely seperate. calling something gay isnt at all related to calling a person gay. get off your high horse broooo.
Totally bro. Fight the power maaaaaaaan.

No but for real you're not too bright.

[TheLastSunrise]

I still don't see how calling this site or Bright Eyes "gay" is relevant. Why didn't you just say "I don't like this site" or "I don't like Bright Eyes"?

gay people need to just quit whining. too much time is spent catering to that tinyass minority when there are problems 1000x bigger than whether they get "marriages' or "civil unions". i called them gay cause there gay, idk.

[11:11]

gay people need to just quit whining. too much time is spent catering to that tinyass minority when there are problems 1000x bigger than whether they get "marriages' or "civil unions". i called them gay cause there gay, idk.
You're going to offend a lot of people with comments like this.

[VampiresRevenge]

gay people need to just quit whining. too much time is spent catering to that tinyass minority when there are problems 1000x bigger than whether they get "marriages' or "civil unions". i called them gay cause there gay, idk.
Aren't you Mr. Sunshine? You seriously need some help and some manners.

[TheLastSunrise]

Totally bro. Fight the power maaaaaaaan.

No but for real you're not too bright.

fight the power? your the whiners that feel the need to bitch about a word that 90% of people use as meaning "bad" and aren't homophobic. gay people never stop fucking bitching about hwo they're so oppressed. get over it.

[11:11]

fight the power? your the whiners that feel the need to bitch about a word that 90% of people use as meaning "bad" and aren't homophobic. gay people never stop fucking bitching about hwo they're so oppressed. get over it.
We never said we were gay...in fact, I'm straight. It still bothers me that people use that adjective like that though.

[PengusNiugnep]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=57790662#post57790 662

[11:11]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=57790662#post57790 662
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=57790662 (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=57790662#post57790 662) is what you meant.

[cubine]

I was going to come in here and throw you some support because I find Radiohead pretty boring too, but...

You've just dug yourself a nice little hole here, haven't you?

[PengusNiugnep]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=57790662 (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=57790662#post57790 662) is what you meant.
Yeah, sorry about that. Thanks. ^^

[TheLastSunrise]

You're going to offend a lot of people with comments like this.

ehh maybe i am homophobic compared to the people on this site. i dont know, they obviously arent normal. if everyone was gay humans would no longer exist. but whateva. glad i like bitches

[FueledByFrodo]

fight the power? your the whiners that feel the need to bitch about a word that 90% of people use as meaning "bad" and aren't homophobic. gay people never stop fucking bitching about hwo they're so oppressed. get over it.

I'm not gay.
Gay people are bitching about being oppressed, maybe because they are?
By calling something "gay" you are bastardizing the word. It means "homosexual." It doesn't mean "bad.
The 90% of people who use that word that way ARE homophobic.

[cubine]

ehh maybe i am homophobic compared to the people on this site. i dont know, they obviously arent normal. if everyone was gay humans would no longer exist. but whateva. glad i like bitches

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

[TheLastSunrise]

I'm not gay.
Gay people are bitching about being oppressed, maybe because they are?
By calling something "gay" you are bastardizing the word. It means "homosexual." It doesn't mean "bad.
The 90% of people who use that word that way ARE homophobic.

1. you're gay

2. maybe if 3/4 of them didn't act like the most obnoxius people on earth they wouldnt attract so much hate. also, they can barely be called oppressed OH NOEZ I GET THE SAME RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE BUT THEY DONT CALL IT MARRIAGE !!!MY LIFE ISNT WORTH LIVING

3. it used to mean happy before homosexual, yet somehow a new definition grew out of that. why cant another def. be added?

4. gross exageration.

there're political issues so much more important than this. its rediculous that so much time is wasted on it

[anthonydarko]

gay people need to just quit whining. too much time is spent catering to that tinyass minority when there are problems 1000x bigger than whether they get "marriages' or "civil unions". i called them gay cause there gay, idk.
You are a horrible troll.

[theguy77]

this guy is the biggest fucking dumbass ive seen on this site in awhile. and that includes justin. im glad you hate radiohead, thats one less idiot ruining their concerts.

[TheLastSunrise]

this guy is the biggest fucking dumbass ive seen on this site in awhile. and that includes justin. im glad you hate radiohead, thats one less idiot ruining their concerts.

no THEGUY is the biggest dumbass on this site. lol

[TheLastSunrise]

You are a horrible troll.

huh. is that what gay people call homophobes now?

[VampiresRevenge]

huh. is that what gay people call homophobes now?
:hitself:

[11:11]

huh. is that what gay people call homophobes now?
So you admit you're a homophobe...?

[anthonydarko]

huh. is that what gay people call homophobes now?
Troll

[TheLastSunrise]

So you admit you're a homophobe...?

no, but you guys obv. think i am, so you would call me one...

[TheLastSunrise]

Troll

uhh yeah just looked it up on urbandictionary and im def. not a troll. you guys are fucking rediculous. gay people have ti good.

[anthonydarko]

no, but you guys obv. think i am, so you would call me one...
Troll
uhh yeah just looked it up on urbandictionary and im def. not a troll. you guys are fucking rediculous. gay people have ti good.
Troll

[fake empire]

You don't like Radiohead but you have a Taking Back Sunday avatar... how embarrassing.

[TachyonEvan]

...

[sleepyseanzzz]

"not that there's anything wrong with that!"

[TheLastSunrise]

You don't like Radiohead but you have a Taking Back Sunday avatar... how embarrassing.

whats wrong with tbs... at least they actually use melody and arent just noise like radiohead

[kearn1tm]

you go to cmu you're obviously dumb

There's no arguing that.

[fake empire]

whats wrong with tbs... at least they actually use melody and arent just noise like radiohead
You are truly a fucking moron. I kind of hate myself for even bothering to reply to you.

[x togepi x]

EDGY POSTER ALERT

homophobia? check
dissing a band universally liked while having a terrible band as an avatar? check
virginity? check.

[TheLastSunrise]

There's no arguing that.

haha yeah. whats their average act score, like a 12?

[x1onexwo1fx]

you're seriously not trolling? man, now i feel sorry for you. i know i wouldn't be able to stand being that stupid.

[ThemChains]

Gay people were at one point, very oppressed, the amount has declined severely over the last, say 20 years though. I myself have faced little, to no adversity for being homosexual in my life. The issue is that gay rights organizations think it's okay to victimize and make martyrs of the people they are supposed to be aiding. It's all a game of sympathy, but to state that gays were never/aren't an oppressed section of society is retarded.

[muttley]

Trollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllll.

[MSIndulgence]

gay is not a synonym for shitty

[jco3]

These comments by the OP are pretty lame... and dumb.

[x1onexwo1fx]

haha. if i were to make a thread where everyone came in to bash me, i'd probably start thinking that i was the one who had the problem, NOT start petty little fights with everyone using stupid comments.

[ThemChains]

gay is not a synonym for shitty

Gay doesn't merely describe one's sexuality anymore.

[honkyg88]

"not that there's anything wrong with that!"
Well done!

[meroki22]

Fake account is fake.

[Ari Christos]

Easy.
jX-fDKWGbRs

Edit: Never mind, actually read the thread haha this kid was trolling in the Brand New threads too.

[bradsonemanband]

i haven't been able to really get into Radiohead either. i respect it for what it is, but it's never tickled my ears right, i guess... but to be fair, i haven't given them much of a shot. i've never listened to an entire Radiohead album all the way through.

(E-Assassination is probably being planned now...sorry...)

[kearn1tm]

haha yeah. whats their average act score, like a 12?

Uh, I don't know. I couldn't afford UofM after they accepted me, so I went to CMU, and that's essentially it. I didn't do my homework on the school. They only require a 3.5 or above to apply though, so it isn't necessarily prestigious.

It's the kind of place that a cat who rocks a TBS avatar, a username entitled "The Last Sunrise" and a complete lack of syntactical comprehension could get into.

[theguy77]

i haven't been able to really get into Radiohead either. i respect it for what it is, but it's never tickled my ears right, i guess... but to be fair, i haven't given them much of a shot. i've never listened to an entire Radiohead album all the way through.

(E-Assassination is probably being planned now...sorry...)

now, if he'd worded himself this way, and been respectful and not homophobic i'd absolutely respect his opinion.

[kearn1tm]

I haven't read this entire thread, but if someone has implied that homosexuals weren't/aren't an oppressed minority, then they're idiots.

The fact that gays are still denied certain civil liberties, the fact that homosexuality and discussion of thing like transgendered and gender neutral people is still not permitted or acknowledged in schools, the fact that homosexuality is still stigmatized as a deviation from social norms is very indicative of continued oppression for gays.

You'd have to be completely oblivious to social stratification/western hierarchies to think gays aren't still oppressed. It's ridiculous.

[ThemChains]

I'm not oppressed.

[kearn1tm]

I'm not oppressed.

You're denied the ability to get married, which is a civil liberty afforded to straight people, let alone the fact that you and I are consistently used as the deviation away from social norms that is used as an example to reinforce hierarchies.

[IntoTheSun]

I lol at anyone who's having a serious arguement with the troll.

[ThemChains]

You're denied the ability to get married, which is a civil liberty afforded to straight people, let alone the fact that you and I are consistently used as the deviation away from social norms that is used as an example to reinforce hierarchies.

You know what I'm getting at. And, for me, it's an issue of gay marriage being a non-issue. It shouldn't matter at all, and in all honesty, a lot of gay men don't even want to get married. I think there is a lot more self-victimization going on than there is real intolerance.

[IntoTheSun]

now, if he'd worded himself this way, and been respectful and not homophobic i'd absolutely respect his opinion.

Wait, why is that a spoiler?

[theguy77]

taking back sunday cant do this:

fSpJEuNZxIk

fucking, live looping and sampling, they actually have a fucking solo of that shit towards the end.

[IntoTheSun]

You know what I'm getting at. And, for me, it's an issue of gay marriage being a non-issue. It shouldn't matter at all, and in all honesty, a lot of gay men don't even want to get married. I think there is a lot more self-victimization going on than there is real intolerance.

Clearly you don't go to my school, where there are conservatives and Christians doing exactly that.

[kearn1tm]

You know what I'm getting at. And, for me, it's an issue of gay marriage being a non-issue. It shouldn't matter at all, and in all honesty, a lot of gay men don't even want to get married. I think there is a lot more self-victimization going on than there is real intolerance.

It doesn't matter who does or doesn't want to get married, in a country predicated on a series of amendments to the constitution (which had to be fought for by anti-federalists, mind you) that guaranteed equality for all, the fact that we're denied the same rights as heterosexuals, regardless if we wish to exercise those rights or not, is oppression. That's not self-victimization. Moreover, being cognascent of just how homosexuality is still used to reinforce the status of heterosexuality as a dominant norm, it perpetuates a stigma that is perpetually escpouced.

An abstract by my antho prof who's taking a sabbatical to study the portrayal of homosexuality in schools by teaching staff (which she's doing in conjunction with over 200 other scholars throughout the country) shows that over 70 % of US public high/middle shools have mandates in place that bar staff from even discussing homosexuality. That's oppression.

[theguy77]

You know what I'm getting at. And, for me, it's an issue of gay marriage being a non-issue. It shouldn't matter at all, and in all honesty, a lot of gay men don't even want to get married. I think there is a lot more self-victimization going on than there is real intolerance.

haha i knew kids in high school who got beat up because they were gay. hell you dont even have to be gay, if you so much as speak with a lisp, people associate that with homosexuality and in some areas more than others, a legitimately prevalent sense of animosity has been cultivated to the point where they'll even say things like "if that kid so much as touches me i'll kick his ass, i dont need any guys hitting on me". i think you're lucky, as a homosexual, not to have been subjected to that kind of attitude or reaction because i saw it everywhere, and this is from the perspective of someone who's straight.

[xJesusFreakx]

Is this thread still about Radiohead. Uh, I like them, a lot, but I can see how someone would find them boring. No need for everyone to be a fan. You don't have to like the Beatles, either. It's your opinion. As long as you don't make that opinion into a universal statement of value, it's cool.

[IntoTheSun]

You know what I'm getting at. And, for me, it's an issue of gay marriage being a non-issue. It shouldn't matter at all, and in all honesty, a lot of gay men don't even want to get married. I think there is a lot more self-victimization going on than there is real intolerance.

I forgot to mention as an example. I have a friend who admitted to being a lesbian to her family last year after being in a relationship with a girl. And now her mom seriously hates her. Her mom is no longer paying for her college tuition, and once she's out of the house, she's gone. That's it. She has been forbidden to see or speak to her girlfriend ever again, and is kept under close watch to make sure that she doesn't secretly meet with her. All of her close friends are being monitored as well.

[kearn1tm]

This is anecdotal, and I don't share it often due to ensuing trauma, but we'll roll with it:

My ex and I shared an innocent kiss two falls ago while we walked home from campus. Three liquored up assholes from the bar around the corner of his old apartment didn't care for it. The result was a broken rib, a dislocated jaw, a broken nose and a little internal bleeding. My ex (then boyfriend) owns a firearm (legally and has a license to carry). He was already in his apartment and I was walking home. I wasn't ten feet from his door when the attack happened. He heard it, called the cops and walked outside with the gun. They fled. The officer arrested my ex because he didn't have his license on him. It was in his apartment. The officer wouldn't allow him to go get it. He arrested the ex, and took me to the hospital. I filed charges. Nothing was ever resolved, despite very vivid descriptions and the fact that one of them was a regular at the bar in question, as he had heckled us mulitple times on our way back.

We took this to the ACLU. We won. Isabella Township has a history of being able to discriminate against homosexuals. This isn't an uncommon phenomenon in the slightest. This isn't self-victimization.

[ThemChains]

Clearly you don't go to my school, where there are conservatives and Christians doing exactly that.

It doesn't matter who does or doesn't want to get married, in a country predicated on a series of amendments to the constitution (which had to be fought for by anti-federalists, mind you) that guaranteed equality for all, the fact that we're denied the same rights as heterosexuals, regardless if we wish to exercise those rights or not, is oppression. That's not self-victimization. Moreover, being cognascent of just how homosexuality is still used to reinforce the status of heterosexuality as a dominant norm, it perpetuates a stigma that is perpetually escpouced.

An abstract by my antho prof who's taking a sabbatical to study the portrayal of homosexuality in schools by teaching staff (which she's doing in conjunction with over 200 other scholars throughout the country) shows that over 70 % of US public high/middle shools have mandates in place that bar staff from even discussing homosexuality. That's oppression.

haha i knew kids in high school who got beat up because they were gay. hell you dont even have to be gay, if you so much as speak with a lisp, people associate that with homosexuality and in some areas more than others, a legitimately prevalent sense of animosity has been cultivated to the point where they'll even say things like "if that kid so much as touches me i'll kick his ass, i dont need any guys hitting on me". i think you're lucky, as a homosexual, not to have been subjected to that kind of attitude or reaction because i saw it everywhere, and this is from the perspective of someone who's straight.

These things just haven't/don't effect my life, at all. I understand what kearn is saying, it is still stigmatized but there is still a large amount of acceptance of homosexuality in America. The only place where very fervent hate of homosexuals even exists is right wing, Christian conservatives. I don't know, maybe I just don't care enough, maybe I'm fucking detached. I just don't give a shit? Who knows... I'm perfectly content and the only people who have ever given me any shit for it are frat bro meat head douchebags and extremist Christians and the occasional redneck. This doesn't happen often but when it has, I've reacted rather aggressively and that usually ends it.

[bradsonemanband]

now, if he'd worded himself this way, and been respectful and not homophobic i'd absolutely respect his opinion.

thank you for not e-assassinating me.

[IntoTheSun]

Is this thread still about Radiohead. Uh, I like them, a lot, but I can see how someone would find them boring. No need for everyone to be a fan. You don't have to like the Beatles, either. It's your opinion. As long as you don't make that opinion into a universal statement of value, it's cool.

Daisydaisydaisydaisydaisy

;)

Anyway, agreed.

[Burn That Shit]

So what's with this Radiohead band?

http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1258948896486.jpg

[ThemChains]

This is anecdotal, and I don't share it often due to ensuing trauma, but we'll roll with it:

My ex and I shared an innocent kiss two falls ago while we walked home from campus. Three liquored up assholes from the bar around the corner of his old apartment didn't care for it. The result was a broken rib, a dislocated jaw, a broken nose and a little internal bleeding. My ex (then boyfriend) owns a firearm (legally and has a license to carry). He was already in his apartment and I was walking home. I wasn't ten feet from his door when the attack happened. He heard it, called the cops and walked outside with the gun. They fled. The officer arrested my ex because he didn't have his license on him. It was in his apartment. The officer wouldn't allow him to go get it. He arrested the ex, and took me to the hospital. I filed charges. Nothing was ever resolved, despite very vivid descriptions and the fact that one of them was a regular at the bar in question, as he had heckled us mulitple times on our way back.

We took this to the ACLU. We won. Isabella Township has a history of being able to discriminate against homosexuals. This isn't an uncommon phenomenon in the slightest. This isn't self-victimization.

I've never faced an experience like that. The big issue here is, I think, location. The midwest isn't exactly known for it's open-mind.

[xJesusFreakx]

Clearly you don't go to my school, where there are conservatives and Christians doing exactly that.

I'm sorry, but this statement bothers me for some reason. Maybe it's different in your area, but this isn't the case here. My brother is a youth pastor and has been wearing an "I Love Jesus" hat since he was young; if you bump into him, Jesus spills out. He also believes that homosexuality is morally wrong and sometimes says things that I just have to roll my eyes at. However, he was also the only person on the football team (maybe one of the only in his whole school) that wasn't a complete douchebag to this one kid when he "came out." All of the people with no moral issue with his sexuality were just flat out cruel to him, but my brother treated him no differently from anyone else and actually loved him like a human being. Sure, there are ignorant people with an attitude like that of the WBC, but please don't act like it's a "conservative Christian" thing to dehumanize gays.

[kearn1tm]

These things just haven't/don't effect my life, at all. I understand what kearn is saying, it is still stigmatized but there is still a large amount of acceptance of homosexuality in America.

Oh, absolutely. It's much better now.

The only place where very fervent hate of homosexuals even exists is right wing, Christian conservatives

Your country continually claims you shouldn't have the same ability to engage in wedlock as straight people. Whether you want to or not doesn't matter, the fact that you can't is. What if, as you age, you decide you do. You still don't have that right. Regardless, you, as well as I (who doesn't wish to marry either, at least at this stage in my life) may not wish to marry, but the fact remains, whether we do or don't, we can't.

I don't know, maybe I just don't care enough, maybe I'm fucking detached. I just don't give a shit? Who knows... I'm perfectly content and the only people who have ever given me any shit for it are frat bro meat head douchebags and extremist Christians and the occasional redneck. This doesn't happen often but when it has, I've reacted rather aggressively and that usually ends it.

Fair enough. I don't except every gay/queer to care. That's cool. I mean, I do, but that's a culmination of many things. I also have some radical leanings, such as wanting a horizontal power structure, something the US would never adopt. Regardless, equality for all is a tenant of my belief system (as well as US ideals) and I'm Canadian (moved here at 17), a Parliamentary Democracy that abolished sanctions against gay marriage long ago. I feel compelled myself. I've seen some really ugly parts of the oppression and it angers me.

I'm interning with the ACLU next fall. I look forward to it tremendously.

[kearn1tm]

I've never faced an experience like that. The big issue here is, I think, location. The midwest isn't exactly known for it's open-mind.

The lack of tolerance does vary by location, but it exists everywhere and is perpetuated by the western stratification process, which sucks for damn near everyone but privileged, white, heterosexual males.

[kearn1tm]

I'm sorry, but this statement bothers me for some reason. Maybe it's different in your area, but this isn't the case here. My brother is a youth pastor and has been wearing an "I Love Jesus" hat since he was young; if you bump into him, Jesus spills out. He also believes that homosexuality is morally wrong and sometimes says things that I just have to roll my eyes at. However, he was also the only person on the football team (maybe one of the only in his whole school) that wasn't a complete douchebag to this one kid when he "came out." All of the people with no moral issue with his sexuality were just flat out cruel to him, but my brother treated him no differently from anyone else and actually loved him like a human being. Sure, there are ignorant people with an attitude like that of the WBC, but please don't act like it's a "conservative Christian" thing to dehumanize gays.

No, but "conservative christian" is one sect of an ideology of exclusion, a microcosm of a larger social hierarchy desperate to find something seemingly different to use as an example of deviance to solidify the accepted norm which has power through number and consensus, which strives to maintain a status quo that benefits those at the top and exploits those objectified and "deviant."

I don't mean to offend, but the idea that your brother finds my biological predisposition "morally wrong" based on interpretations from a text created by people years after the world's gestation period offends me and perpetuates oppression, regardless of how "accepting" he was to the kid in the football team.

[IntoTheSun]

I'm sorry, but this statement bothers me for some reason. Maybe it's different in your area, but this isn't the case here. My brother is a youth pastor and has been wearing an "I Love Jesus" hat since he was young; if you bump into him, Jesus spills out. He also believes that homosexuality is morally wrong and sometimes says things that I just have to roll my eyes at. However, he was also the only person on the football team (maybe one of the only in his whole school) that wasn't a complete douchebag to this one kid when he "came out." All of the people with no moral issue with his sexuality were just flat out cruel to him, but my brother treated him no differently from anyone else and actually loved him like a human being. Sure, there are ignorant people with an attitude like that of the WBC, but please don't act like it's a "conservative Christian" thing to dehumanize gays.

Hm, I do see your point. It is actually quite like that at our school though. The intolerance and misunderstanding always seem to come from people who quote bible phrases first and think for themselves later. I am by no means saying that all Christians are like that, because of course, there are people like you and a couple of my friends who clearly aren't like that. It's just frustrating because that's the sort of vibe I get from conservatives at our school sometimes. One of them during a class debate even made the statement that the people imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay are not people but "bags of flesh". This and the classroom discussion in government about gay marriage just convinced me that the homophobia at our school mostly stems from closed-minded Christians. That being said, I have many cool friends who are deeply Christian, and I am by no means against the religion at all, unless utilized in the cases above as I explained.

[ThemChains]

The lack of tolerance does vary by location, but it exists everywhere and is perpetuated by the western stratification process, which sucks for damn near everyone but privileged, white, heterosexual males.

I just don't see it as being as serious, especially where I live. The East Coast is a much more tolerant place. This country will probably not get to a point where "gay marriage" is a term that flies around as something okay. My opinion is give civil unions to everyone regardless of gender problem solved and everyone gets to keep their heteronormative marriages intact. I don't want anything to do with marriage simply because it has everything to do with heterosexuality- traditionally. Even outside of religion, marriage is the joining of a man and a woman, and you can't just take one of the statues off of the cake and add the same gender in it's place. I think there is a dynamic to same sex relationships that marriage and the baggage that word carries don't cater to. Just give the right of civil unions to all and it's over. That simple.

[roughroads]

So lie???

Edit:: I'm not going to get into a debate about why I don't like them, music is subjective and that's justification enough.

[kearn1tm]

Also, the idea that because some people aren't cruel to out gays that they're "good people" or cool is bullshit. They shouldn't get a medal for treating someone humanely as they would anyone else. That's damn well what should be expected. This isn't aimed at you in particular Tim, but anyone who wants a pat on the back for "tolerating" us are as ignorant and harmful as those who would just as soon punch us in the face.

[IntoTheSun]

I just don't see it as being as serious, especially where I live. The East Coast is a much more tolerant place. This country will probably not get to a point where "gay marriage" is a term that flies around as something okay. My opinion is give civil unions to everyone regardless of gender problem solved and everyone gets to keep their heteronormative marriages intact. I don't want anything to do with marriage simply because it has everything to do with heterosexuality- traditionally. Even outside of religion, marriage is the joining of a man and a woman, and you can't just take one of the statues off of the cake and add the same gender in it's place. I think there is a dynamic to same sex relationships that marriage and the baggage that word carries don't cater to. Just give the right of civil unions to all and it's over. That simple.

Hm. I thought of the West Coast as being really tolerant too, seeing how liberal California is. Then Prop 8 proved me wrong.

[TheLastSunrise]

I haven't read this entire thread, but if someone has implied that homosexuals weren't/aren't an oppressed minority, then they're idiots.

The fact that gays are still denied certain civil liberties, the fact that homosexuality and discussion of thing like transgendered and gender neutral people is still not permitted or acknowledged in schools, the fact that homosexuality is still stigmatized as a deviation from social norms is very indicative of continued oppression for gays.

You'd have to be completely oblivious to social stratification/western hierarchies to think gays aren't still oppressed. It's ridiculous.

stop using so many big words it just makes you sound liek a douche. how is homosexuality not a deviation from social norms? i believe it's not a choice (at least for most - some of the "bi" scene chicks obv. do choose it for other reasons) and that many people are simply attracted to the same sex, wether its because of genetics or childhood esperiences or whatever. but its def. not normal. i dont know how you can say that.

[kearn1tm]

I just don't see it as being as serious, especially where I live. The East Coast is a much more tolerant place. This country will probably not get to a point where "gay marriage" is a term that flies around as something okay. My opinion is give civil unions to everyone regardless of gender problem solved

Here's the kicker, there's a long list of civil benefits that aren't included in civil unions, such as tax breaks, joint bank accounts, among a myriad of other elements of court-sponsored marrage. Most aren't arguing for marriage as a "Religious union." Religion should be protected, as ignorant as it is, no one should infringe on their ability to exclude or include. However, marriage, as it's acknowledged by states and the benefits those states/government give married couples are being denied to homosexuals and that needs to change.

Marriage (as it's defined and acknowledged by the federal government) should be an option for everyone.

Gay marriage, much like interracial marriage, will have to come eventually.

I think there is a dynamic to same sex relationships that marriage and the baggage that word carries don't cater to. Just give the right of civil unions to all and it's over. That simple.

That implies that there is an inherent difference between men and women, but that "difference" isn't inherent, but socially constructed and can be circumvented.

[kearn1tm]

stop using so many big words it just makes you sound liek a douche.

how is homosexuality not a deviation from social norms? i believe it's not a choice (at least for most - some of the "bi" scene chicks obv. do choose it for other reasons) and that many people are simply attracted to the same sex, wether its because of genetics or childhood esperiences or whatever. but its def. not normal. i dont know how you can say that.

Don't be so transparent. The rest of 'em will catch on.

EDIT - I'll bite. That's the point. Homosexuality is a deviation from the social-consensus of norms, including sexuality and the institution of relationships/marriage which is perpetuated by those at the top of the social hierarchy to maintain a status-quo that benefits those at the top. This is a simple notion to anyone who's taken an intro soc course (even at CMU).

[IntoTheSun]

Also, the idea that because some people aren't cruel to out gays that they're "good people" or cool is bullshit. They shouldn't get a medal for treating someone humanely as they would anyone else. That's damn well what should be expected. This isn't aimed at you in particular Tim, but anyone who wants a pat on the back for "tolerating" us are as ignorant and harmful as those who would just as soon punch us in the face.

This.

And plus, if someone is gay, it's only a part of who they are. No one should be defined as gay, or straight, or female, or ugly, or whatever. When I talk to my gay friends, there sexual orientation is not something that is on my mind at all. I only somewhat remember when they mention something about a crush, and I'm like "oh yeah". I tease them just the same about their crushes. It doesn't mean I'm not sensitive about it, but I don't get all "hush, hush" or be like, "oh, because you're gay I have to be more careful not to say the wrong things around you." That's just discrimination then, imo.

[ThemChains]

Here's the kicker, there's a long list of civil benefits that aren't included in civil unions, such as tax breaks, joint bank accounts, among a myriad of other elements of court-sponsored marrage. Most aren't arguing for marriage as a "Religious union." Religion should be protected, as ignorant as it is, no one should infringe on their ability to exclude or include. However, marriage, as it's acknowledged by states and the benefits those states/government give married couples are being denied to homosexuals and that needs to change.

Marriage (as it's defined and acknowledged by the federal government) should be an option for everyone.

Gay marriage, much like interracial marriage, will have to come eventually.



That implies that there is an inherent difference between men and women, but that "difference" isn't inherent, but socially constructed and can be circumvented.

See, in the instance of a civil union for all coming about, I think there should be the re-evaluation of what is provided. Meaning, a civil union is equal to a state recognized marriage. And now I have found the big dividing spike between you and I. I think there is an inherent difference between men and women. Men are men and women are women. There are clearly feminine and things and clearly masculine things. I enjoy the separation of sexes but also enjoy the equality, these two can co-exist. I celebrate masculinity and am a very masculine man myself, I completely embrace this aspect of being a male. I think this is where we diverge in the largest sense, and I think we both already knew this.

[theguy77]

These things just haven't/don't effect my life, at all. I understand what kearn is saying, it is still stigmatized but there is still a large amount of acceptance of homosexuality in America. The only place where very fervent hate of homosexuals even exists is right wing, Christian conservatives. I don't know, maybe I just don't care enough, maybe I'm fucking detached. I just don't give a shit? Who knows... I'm perfectly content and the only people who have ever given me any shit for it are frat bro meat head douchebags and extremist Christians and the occasional redneck. This doesn't happen often but when it has, I've reacted rather aggressively and that usually ends it.

haha thats like half of america though

[kearn1tm]

This.

And plus, if someone is gay, it's only a part of who they are. No one should be defined as gay, or straight, or female, or ugly, or whatever.

You're right. Sexuality is a integral, but not defining facet of a person. Unfortunately, it's been accentuated as a way to do more of that awesome separation and objectification and so gays/queers/transgendered people, etc. have to also accentuate it as focal point of civil rights/equality. It's absurd that anyone has to fight for equality for merely one part of who they are.

When I talk to my gay friends

You just wanted to sneak that tidbit in didn't you? Yeah, yeah.

[I really think you'd benefit from me using smileys because you're new to my brand of unrelenting sarcasm. So, here's a self-aware little note to let you know that it's a joke, which in effect, kills the snark of the joke.]

[IntoTheSun]

haha thats like half of america though

I suck at politics, but if that's true then how exactly did Obama get elected haha?

[ThemChains]

haha thats like half of america though

It's half of America, but even in that case, almost all Christian individuals I have involved in my life have absolutely no issue with my sexuality. It doesn't matter to them, because it doesn't effect them. Most Christians aren't crazy, evangelist fucks.

[IntoTheSun]

You're right. Sexuality is a integral, but not defining facet of a person. Unfortunately, it's been accentuated as a way to do more of that awesome separation and objectification and so gays/queers/transgendered people, etc. have to also accentuate it as focal point of civil rights/equality. It's absurd that anyone has to fight for equality for merely one part of who they are.



You just wanted to sneak that tidbit in didn't you? Yeah, yeah.

[I really think you'd benefit from me using smileys because you're new to my brand of unrelenting sarcasm. So, here's a self-aware little note to let you know that it's a joke, which in effect, kills the snark of the joke.]

Yes, yes, because of course I'd get sooo much cred for sayin' that.

Please start using them. Smileys make me feel loved because I am a sensitive 17 year old girl and you've already berated me with enough of your sarcasm today :-d . I think I've used more -bluesad- emoticons today than I have my entire time on AP.net.

[TheLastSunrise]

Don't be so transparent. The rest of 'em will catch on.

EDIT - I'll bite. That's the point. Homosexuality is a deviation from the social-consensus of norms, including sexuality and the institution of relationships/marriage which is perpetuated by those at the top of the social hierarchy to maintain a status-quo that benefits those at the top. This is a simple notion to anyone who's taken an intro soc course (even at CMU).

how can you be gay with all the dumb hot sluts that are at cmu?

[xJesusFreakx]

No, but "conservative christian" is one sect of an ideology of exclusion, a microcosm of a larger social hierarchy desperate to find something seemingly different to use as an example of deviance to solidify the accepted norm which has power through number and consensus, which strives to maintain a status quo that benefits those at the top and exploits those objectified and "deviant."

I don't mean to offend, but the idea that your brother finds my biological predisposition "morally wrong" based on interpretations from a text created by people years after the world's gestation period offends me and perpetuates oppression, regardless of how "accepting" he was to the kid in the football team.

Christianity basically says that we're all broken from birth, though, so it's not like it points out homosexuals as inferior human beings. I believe that everyone is born with sinful biological predispositions. I'm not going to go into any sort of extended sermon-like tangent because, really, it's not my place to be "preaching" at you, but I will say that it's impossible for everyone's beliefs to be completely compatible with everyone else's. To expect such is ludicrous. The issue isn't whether or not someone agrees with someone else's life choices but rather how people treat each other. Let people believe that gay marriage, rock 'n' roll, and whatever else is wrong. Whatever. I believe that lust is wrong, but I don't come down on everyone I see looking at sexual content.

[kearn1tm]

See, in the instance of a civil union for all coming about, I think there should be the re-evaluation of what is provided. Meaning, a civil union is equal to a state recognized marriage.

If they abolished marriage all-together and offered civil unions as the equivalent, I'd agree, with marriage being a religious-exclusive institution. In fact, that would be ideal.

And now I have found the big dividing spike between you and I. I think there is an inherent difference between men and women. Men are men and women are women. There are clearly feminine and things and clearly masculine things. [/quote]

There's testosterone, which spikes aggression to a degree, and estrogen and all of that, but gender dynamics is, as most antho/sociologists and even some biologists see it, is 80% social forces, 20% chemical composition.

The gaugi, an African tribe much like the Bushmen who for two centurites thrived in isolation, were examined before globalization destroyed them. There was virtually no distinguishing between the roles of sex-female and sex-male people.

Initially, going as prehistorical as anthro studies have gotten, women, though generally smaller, were much more lithe and faster than men, and weren't initially relegated to simple family upkeep and food preperation. They served as scouts for reconnaissance in relation to tracking prey.

In fact, call it evolutionary advances, but women are beginning to experience testosterone, as seen in seven new borns in Iran in the last two years.

Gender dynamics vary so differently from around the globe that it's impossible to find that there's one definition for male and one for female, which is essentially proof that "men" and "women" don't exist. We created it.

I enjoy the separation of sexes but also enjoy the equality, these two can co-exist. I celebrate masculinity and am a very masculine man myself, I completely embrace this aspect of being a male. I think this is where we diverge in the largest sense, and I think we both already knew this.

Hey man, do it up and I praise you for it.

I get scared of praising masculinity and femininity to an extent though, because, as mentioned much of it is socially constructed, and one is perpetuated as a dominant and one as a submissive, which is something constantly analyzed by sociologists/anthropologists.

[xJesusFreakx]

Hm, I do see your point. It is actually quite like that at our school though. The intolerance and misunderstanding always seem to come from people who quote bible phrases first and think for themselves later. I am by no means saying that all Christians are like that, because of course, there are people like you and a couple of my friends who clearly aren't like that. It's just frustrating because that's the sort of vibe I get from conservatives at our school sometimes. One of them during a class debate even made the statement that the people imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay are not people but "bags of flesh". This and the classroom discussion in government about gay marriage just convinced me that the homophobia at our school mostly stems from closed-minded Christians. That being said, I have many cool friends who are deeply Christian, and I am by no means against the religion at all, unless utilized in the cases above as I explained.

Well, I apologize right now for those people who are using Christ as an excuse to be the complete opposite of what He'd want us to be.

[IntoTheSun]

If they abolished marriage all-together and offered civil unions as the equivalent, I'd agree, with marriage being a religious-exclusive institution. In fact, that would be ideal.

And now I have found the big dividing spike between you and I. I think there is an inherent difference between men and women. Men are men and women are women. There are clearly feminine and things and clearly masculine things.

Gender dynamics vary so differently from around the globe that it's impossible to find that there's one definition for male and one for female, which is essentially proof that "men" and "women" don't exist. We created it.

Yet you'd be hard pressed to find a culture in which males are not the dominant.

[ThemChains]

If they abolished marriage all-together and offered civil unions as the equivalent, I'd agree, with marriage being a religious-exclusive institution. In fact, that would be ideal.

And now I have found the big dividing spike between you and I. I think there is an inherent difference between men and women. Men are men and women are women. There are clearly feminine and things and clearly masculine things.

There's testosterone, which spikes aggression to a degree, and estrogen and all of that, but gender dynamics is, as most antho/sociologists and even some biologists see it, is 80% social forces, 20% chemical composition.

The gaugi, an African tribe much like the Bushmen who for two centurites thrived in isolation, were examined before globalization destroyed them. There was virtually no distinguishing between the roles of sex-female and sex-male people.

Initially, going as prehistorical as anthro studies have gotten, women, though generally smaller, were much more lithe and faster than men, and weren't initially relegated to simple family upkeep and food preperation. They served as scouts for reconnaissance in relation to tracking prey.

In fact, call it evolutionary advances, but women are beginning to experience testosterone, as seen in seven new borns in Iran in the last two years.

Gender dynamics vary so differently from around the globe that it's impossible to find that there's one definition for male and one for female, which is essentially proof that "men" and "women" don't exist. We created it.



Hey man, do it up and I praise you for it.

I get scared of praising masculinity and femininity to an extent though, because, as mentioned much of it is socially constructed, and one is perpetuated as a dominant and one as a submissive, which is something constantly analyzed by sociologists/anthropologists.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I can see the social constructs, but I would argue that there are clear and obvious natural differences between men and women.

[theguy77]

I suck at politics, but if that's true then how exactly did Obama get elected haha?

because we're seeing a trend of each generation of high school and college graduates being slightly more liberal than the last, not to mention the whole country hated bush by the time he left office and since he's associated with the republican party, many people switched parties for this election just on the basis of that alone. also, "first black president" was a neat little gimmick that helped obama more than it hurt him considering in this day and age, more people are "proud" to proclaim and demonstrate the fact that they arent racist, than there are people who still have that prejudice.

but as it stands the majority of the country is christian, i'd say definitely more than half of america's devout christians takes that segment of the bible about homosexuality seriously and literally, and while many of them practice tolerance even with the belief that homsexuality is "wrong", its surprising how many still discriminate and treat gay people differently because they feel it elevates their status in god's eyes or whatever. i get into arguments like this with my mom all the time -- she is one of those "i believe its wrong, but its not my place to be judgmental" people -- and she said she has a hard time supporting a candidate who promotes a concept (gay marriage) that goes against the bible.

[kearn1tm]

Christianity basically says that we're all broken from birth, though, so it's not like it points out homosexuals as inferior human beings.

The book of Liviticus explicitly states (in Judeo-Christian bibles) that homosexuality is an "aboration."

How is that not making homosexuals "inferior human beings?"

How does the idea of christian ideals of "be good and adhere only to our set of regimented laws or there will be sanctions that can be as severe as eternal damnation" not a microcosm to the system of crime and punishment of the Western society that serves only to punish and not amend, and normally in excessive severity?

How does a system like that not perpetuate stratification?

How does the idea that the established morals state that a biological predisposition/an unalterable product of experiences during formulative years is against Christian morality and something that needs to be prayed for forgiveness for?

That's inferiority. Heterosexuals, as long as they have heterosexual intercourse in wedlock, don't have to pray for forgiveness. Gays do. That's positioning one over the other. That's a power dynamic. That creates a hierarchy.

I believe that everyone is born with sinful biological predispositions.

That's fine, but sexuality is ingrained in (virtually) everyone. Your religion claims that some of us born with a sexuality that deviates from the superior people is wrong and that makes one sect of people inherently inferior, and that mentality leads to reinforcing social oppression, and that's harmful to everyone.

I'm not going to go into any sort of extended sermon-like tangent because, really, it's not my place to be "preaching" at you, but I will say that it's impossible for everyone's beliefs to be completely compatible with everyone else's. To expect such is ludicrous. The issue isn't whether or not someone agrees with someone else's life choices but rather how people treat each other. Let people believe that gay marriage, rock 'n' roll, and whatever else is wrong. Whatever. I believe that lust is wrong, but I don't come down on everyone I see looking at sexual content.[/quote]

Embracing and acting on sexuality isn't a choice. No kid wakes up one morning and thinks "you know, I can't get many girls, I have acne all over my face and the jocks beat me up every day. You know, I'll just be gay and invite more non-stop harassment into my life."

Human sexuality isn't a choice.

[kearn1tm]

Yes, I can see the social constructs, but I would argue that there are clear and obvious natural differences between men and women.

Oh, absolutely, but it's mostly in relation to the biological function of giving birth, and not how they act. The "gender roles" are primarily socialized.

[Machu505]

People cannot seriously think that homophobia isn't a huge problem. At school, gay marriage was brought up on the news, and a student said aloud "Kill em all."

Not oppressed, my ass.

[kearn1tm]

how can you be gay with all the dumb hot sluts that are at cmu?

Teh ghey is only a way to see dem tities.

[TheLastSunrise]

lol how can gay people ask to be treated to the same when they do things like adam lambert did on the ama's. stop being so fucking obnoxius and then maybe the sterotypes will subside

[IntoTheSun]

lol how can gay people ask to be treated to the same when they do things like adam lambert did on the ama's. stop being so fucking obnoxius and then maybe the sterotypes will subside

You're fucking obnoxious.

[kearn1tm]

Yes, yes, because of course I'd get sooo much cred for sayin' that.

Please start using them. Smileys make me feel loved because I am a sensitive 17 year old girl and you've already berated me with enough of your sarcasm today :-d . I think I've used more -bluesad- emoticons today than I have my entire time on AP.net.

Just a head's up. Usually if I constantly give someone crap, it means I think they're swell (see Ryan or Bryan with a "y"). Also, I hate Ryan.

[kearn1tm]

lol how can gay people ask to be treated to the same when they do things like adam lambert did on the ama's. stop being so fucking obnoxius and then maybe the sterotypes will subside

I know brah. And Perez Hilton, dude. The gays are scooooorchin' and I think they started the Swine epidemic. It's Post-AIDS!

[Machu505]

lol how can gay people ask to be treated to the same when they do things like adam lambert did on the ama's. stop being so fucking obnoxius and then maybe the sterotypes will subside
Yeah man. And how can black people ask to be treated the same when they do things like Kanye West did at the VMAs. Amirite?

[theguy77]

Just a head's up. Usually if I constantly give someone crap, it means I think they're swell (see Ryan or Bryan with a "y"). Also, I hate Ryan.

"swell"? what are you, a surfer or paul newman?

[kearn1tm]

because we're seeing a trend of each generation of high school and college graduates being slightly more liberal than the last, not to mention the whole country hated bush by the time he left office and since he's associated with the republican party, many people switched parties for this election just on the basis of that alone. also, "first black president" was a neat little gimmick that helped obama more than it hurt him considering in this day and age, more people are "proud" to proclaim and demonstrate the fact that they arent racist, than there are people who still have that prejudice.

but as it stands the majority of the country is christian, i'd say definitely more than half of america's devout christians takes that segment of the bible about homosexuality seriously and literally, and while many of them practice tolerance even with the belief that homsexuality is "wrong", its surprising how many still discriminate and treat gay people differently because they feel it elevates their status in god's eyes or whatever. i get into arguments like this with my mom all the time -- she is one of those "i believe its wrong, but its not my place to be judgmental" people -- and she said she has a hard time supporting a candidate who promotes a concept (gay marriage) that goes against the bible.

You also have to take into account the fact that Obama had one of the most youth-oriented marketing campaigns since Clinton in '92, and tapped into a voter demo largely ignored and apathetic to politics. Furthermore, there was a very black cloud hanging over the Republican party following Bush's disastrous reign of horror, and the public opinion found McCain very much a product of his party (as he sold out his maverick idealist stances from just three years prior. The McCain of 2005/6, the guy who fought his own party over the constitution-butchering war-time torture caveats was eliminated and in his place, a hollow vessel for conservative drivel).

[ThisIsNotDan]

lol how can gay people ask to be treated to the same when they do things like adam lambert did on the ama's. stop being so fucking obnoxius and then maybe the sterotypes will subside

now, I know it's a hard concept for someone as...er..."slow" as you to understand, but believe it or not, not ALL gay people act flamboyantly. many...nay...MOST of them act no different than you or I, and you'd never know the difference.

in lay man's terms: shut the fuck up you fucking brainless goon

[kearn1tm]

"swell"? what are you, a surfer or paul newman?

The later. Duh.

[TheLastSunrise]

Yeah man. And how can black people ask to be treated the same when they do things like Kanye West did at the VMAs. Amirite?

haha yeah that didnt make any sense but nice try. kanye wasnt doing things related to being black. hes just a dumbass. lambert was making out with guys a grabbing their dicks, as if he was just trying to test the limits of peoples tolerance. most people are tolerant of gays, but when you do things like that, that are just blatant fucking obnoxius things designed to shock people into accidentally saying something homophobic, thats bullshit. and its fucking gay, no pun intended

[IntoTheSun]

because we're seeing a trend of each generation of high school and college graduates being slightly more liberal than the last, not to mention the whole country hated bush by the time he left office and since he's associated with the republican party, many people switched parties for this election just on the basis of that alone. also, "first black president" was a neat little gimmick that helped obama more than it hurt him considering in this day and age, more people are "proud" to proclaim and demonstrate the fact that they arent racist, than there are people who still have that prejudice.

but as it stands the majority of the country is christian, i'd say definitely more than half of america's devout christians takes that segment of the bible about homosexuality seriously and literally, and while many of them practice tolerance even with the belief that homsexuality is "wrong", its surprising how many still discriminate and treat gay people differently because they feel it elevates their status in god's eyes or whatever. i get into arguments like this with my mom all the time -- she is one of those "i believe its wrong, but its not my place to be judgmental" people -- and she said she has a hard time supporting a candidate who promotes a concept (gay marriage) that goes against the bible.

Oh, I'm sorry you get into arguements with your mom about that. I honestly don't know what my own mom thinks about it. I'm scared to ask because I don't think it'll turn out well. I just have a feeling she'd say something really stupid like she always does and I'd react to it. The last time we ever talked about the subject, she was like "Andrea, do you know what gay means?" :hitself: It was quite embarassing.

I think it's ironic that people are proud they aren't racist. Like Todd sort of said, seperating someone, even for a good reason, because of their race still makes you a racist. Just in a different way. Tolerating and accepting shouldn't be awarded haha.

Just a head's up. Usually if I constantly give someone crap, it means I think they're swell (see Ryan or Bryan with a "y"). Also, I hate Ryan.

Hehe, I see. And don't hate on Ryan or I'll pummel your ass M-(

[TheLastSunrise]

now, I know it's a hard concept for someone as...er..."slow" as you to understand, but believe it or not, not ALL gay people act flamboyantly. many...nay...MOST of them act no different than you or I, and you'd never know the difference.

in lay man's terms: shut the fuck up you fucking brainless goon

yeah but enough do that there are at least 5 of them on my campus. theyre just inviting homophobia then, as if they like it. i doubt that most act the same as "normal" people though

[kearn1tm]

haha yeah that didnt make any sense but nice try. kanye wasnt doing things related to being black. hes just a dumbass. lambert was making out with guys a grabbing their dicks, as if he was just trying to test the limits of peoples tolerance. most people are tolerant of gays, but when you do things like that, that are just blatant fucking obnoxius things designed to shock people into accidentally saying something homophobic, thats bullshit. and its fucking gay, no pun intended

I remember that fucking gaywad Adam Lazzara was all licking a microphone in his chick jeans at a show and I was like pah-shaw! You're just testing the limits of acceptibility like that Lambert ghey. Thinking he can make out with dudes like that's allowed in public? I was all, Adam, I thought you were for the pussy, brah? It broke my heart. I wanted to be his wingman and we'd just swallow all that vag.

[Machu505]

haha yeah that didnt make any sense but nice try. kanye wasnt doing things related to being black. hes just a dumbass. lambert was making out with guys a grabbing their dicks, as if he was just trying to test the limits of peoples tolerance. most people are tolerant of gays, but when you do things like that, that are just blatant fucking obnoxius things designed to shock people into accidentally saying something homophobic, thats bullshit. and its fucking gay, no pun intended
Don't like that example? Well then how about when Kanye said "George Bush don't care about black people."

[kearn1tm]

yeah but enough do that there are at least 5 of them on my campus. theyre just inviting homophobia then, as if they like it. i doubt that most act the same as "normal" people though

Now I want to use this to springboard into more of my "preaching" for those of you who are actually reading.

The mentality of "blaming the victim" is another frightening side-effect of intolerance and stratification perpetuated by those at the top. In the National Counsil against Crime (the McGruff dog or whatever is their mascot), they released a "ten preventative measures against sexual assualt," all of which are responsibilities to quell normal, everyday activities for women to conform to the idea that their actions lead to sexual assualt. It puts the responsibility to stop sexual assualt on the victim and that's part of that bullshit power play that makes women seem to blame for rape.

Same with homosexuals. "You dress flamboyant and invite assault." That's just ugly.

I know this guy isn't real that's cool, but at least I can springboard discussion from his junk.

[TheLastSunrise]

I remember that fucking gaywad Adam Lazzara was all licking a microphone in his chick jeans at a show and I was like pah-shaw! You're just testing the limits of acceptibility like that Lambert ghey. Thinking he can make out with dudes like that's allowed in public? I was all, Adam, I thought you were for the pussy, brah? It broke my heart. I wanted to be his wingman and we'd just swallow all that vag.

way to ignore the poing cuz you know im right

[theguy77]

It's half of America, but even in that case, almost all Christian individuals I have involved in my life have absolutely no issue with my sexuality. It doesn't matter to them, because it doesn't effect them. Most Christians aren't crazy, evangelist fucks.

i mean i can definitely see the point you're making here, and it's based on your own experience, which is fine. im just about every race on the planet, so that means even people who claim "well im not racist but i dont think races should mix" should theoretically want me tied to a stake and burned; both of my parents are heavily mixed, as my dad is essentially mulatto while my mom is essentially creole. but even where i grew up in jacksonville florida, which has suburbs that could pretty much be considered part of south georgia, i lived in country clubs and other places that were predominantly white and could be considered "priveleged" and have very, very rarely felt prejudiced by anyone.

however, i wouldn't take my own experience and apply it when it comes to different situations than my own. i cannot honestly say that black people and hispanics and whomever else dont face any kind of struggles anymore in this country, when there are inner city minority communities living in slums affected by urban decay, governed by street justice and stricken by poor education, infrastructure, and services with no possibility for gentrification. i cannot say with confidence that i could stroll through the country backroads of texas or alabama and be welcomed. just because ive been fortunate not to have to experience such animosity does not mean the problem is not still festering in situations and areas ive never been in.

[IntoTheSun]

I remember that fucking gaywad Adam Lazzara was all licking a microphone in his chick jeans at a show and I was like pah-shaw! You're just testing the limits of acceptibility like that Lambert ghey. Thinking he can make out with dudes like that's allowed in public? I was all, Adam, I thought you were for the pussy, brah? It broke my heart. I wanted to be his wingman and we'd just swallow all that vag.

:lol:

[xJesusFreakx]

The book of Liviticus explicitly states (in Judeo-Christian bibles) that homosexuality is an "aboration."

How is that not making homosexuals "inferior human beings?"

How does the idea of christian ideals of "be good and adhere only to our set of regimented laws or there will be sanctions that can be as severe as eternal damnation" not a microcosm to the system of crime and punishment of the Western society that serves only to punish and not amend, and normally in excessive severity?

How does a system like that not perpetuate stratification?

How does the idea that the established morals state that a biological predisposition/an unalterable product of experiences during formulative years is against Christian morality and something that needs to be prayed for forgiveness for?

That's inferiority. Heterosexuals, as long as they have heterosexual intercourse in wedlock, don't have to pray for forgiveness. Gays do. That's positioning one over the other. That's a power dynamic. That creates a hierarchy.

That's fine, but sexuality is ingrained in (virtually) everyone. Your religion claims that some of us born with a sexuality that deviates from the superior people is wrong and that makes one sect of people inherently inferior, and that mentality leads to reinforcing social oppression, and that's harmful to everyone.

Embracing and acting on sexuality isn't a choice. No kid wakes up one morning and thinks "you know, I can't get many girls, I have acne all over my face and the jocks beat me up every day. You know, I'll just be gay and invite more non-stop harassment into my life."

Human sexuality isn't a choice.

First of all, I worded that poorly when I said "choice." I was on the right path at the start, but that word definitely messes with things a bit. I don't believe that sexuality is a "choice"; that's ridiculous.

As for the whole Christianity versus homosexuality issue, I can't comment much on that because I'm just not educated well enough on it. I believe firmly that, regardless of beliefs, it's not the government's place to govern morality like that but rather to protect human rights, so I support any movement to bring equality to the homosexual equality. Between that and the fact that I have no Christian friends who are also gay, the issue has just never hit home enough for me to study passages about homosexuality to see what Scripture really says about it. The Bible is filled with culture-specific "commands" that aren't literally applicable today but still show core ideals that are relevant, so I have no idea where G-d really fits into all of this.

Also, Christianity, at the core, isn't a set of rules. There is so much more to it than that. Following a set of rules is what the Pharisees did, and what Christ yelled at them for. There's verse after verse talking about how irrelevant outward actions are in your heart isn't right. Not that Christianity teaches us to do whatever we want (certain fruits should be produced), but the focus is never on actions. Rather, the focus is on living out G-d's love and becoming more like the character of Christ. I know that so much of the Bible looks like this on surface level, and the idea of hell can complicate it further, but it's not a simple matter of, "Oh, there's this set of rules, and if not, your punishment is damnation."

[kearn1tm]

I think it's ironic that people are proud they aren't racist. Like Todd sort of said, seperating someone, even for a good reason, because of their race still makes you a racist. Just in a different way. Tolerating and accepting shouldn't be awarded haha.

It's like the dudes who pride themselves on "not hitting women." When you ask them "would you hit a man," they'll respond "of course, dude." Why? I'm not suggesting men should hit women. I'm suggesting people shouldn't hit people. If you treat a specific person different because of their gender (not sex, this is a response to socialized portrayals of men and women), it promotes inequality. I don't claim I wouldn't hit a woman. I don't claim I'd hit a dude. If a large woman was hitting me, I would defend myself. If a dude was besmirching my honor and my "manhood" was at stake, I'd leave to avoid the fight. If the option of not assaulting someone (regardless of gender) is present, I'll take it.

Women do not need men to protect them.

Hehe, I see. And don't hate on Ryan or I'll pummel your ass M-(
Ryan's not even cute enough to get that worked up about. I mean, he's okay. I'd make out with him, but I'd forget about him and never call him back.

[TheLastSunrise]

Now I want to use this to springboard into more of my "preaching" for those of you who are actually reading.

The mentality of "blaming the victim" is another frightening side-effect of intolerance and stratification perpetuated by those at the top. In the National Counsil against Crime (the McGruff dog or whatever is their mascot), they released a "ten preventative measures against sexual assualt," all of which are responsibilities to quell normal, everyday activities for women to conform to the idea that their actions lead to sexual assualt. It puts the responsibility to stop sexual assualt on the victim and that's part of that bullshit power play that makes women seem to blame for rape.

Same with homosexuals. "You dress flamboyant and invite assault." That's just ugly.

I know this guy isn't real that's cool, but at least I can springboard discussion from his junk.

okay, im real, and youre a dick. but okay. ya but, youre just wrong. by being fucking obnoxious you are inviting people to hate you. people naturaly hate obnoxious people that arent gay and thats okay. now when gay people just happen to frequently be really fucking annoying, people are going to connect the two and start to dislike gay people.

"counsil" lol

[x1onexwo1fx]

YEAH MAN, RADIOHEAD IS FUCKING AMAZING.

/thread. please?

[kearn1tm]

way to ignore the poing cuz you know im right

Way to ignore me bring up pussy. R u ghey?

[TheLastSunrise]

It's like the dudes who pride themselves on "not hitting women." When you ask them "would you hit a man," they'll respond "of course, dude." Why? I'm not suggesting men should hit women. I'm suggesting people shouldn't hit people. If you treat a specific person different because of their gender (not sex, this is a response to socialized portrayals of men and women), it promotes inequality. I don't claim I wouldn't hit a woman. I don't claim I'd hit a dude. If a large woman was hitting me, I would defend myself. If a dude was besmirching my honor and my "manhood" was at stake, I'd leave to avoid the fight. If the option of not assaulting someone (regardless of gender) is present, I'll take it.

Women do not need men to protect them.


Ryan's not even cute enough to get that worked up about. I mean, he's okay. I'd make out with him, but I'd forget about him and never call him back.

thats just cuz youre a pussy

[theguy77]

The later. Duh.

i LOVE your salad dressing. hated you in road to providence though.

[kearn1tm]

okay, im real, and youre a dick. but okay. ya but, youre just wrong. by being fucking obnoxious you are inviting people to hate you. people naturaly hate obnoxious people that arent gay and thats okay. now when gay people just happen to frequently be really fucking annoying, people are going to connect the two and start to dislike gay people.

"counsil" lol

Look brah, acting obnoxious in any action doesn't give someone the right to physically assault someone. When a straight dude acts obnoxious, no one believes he's inviting a beatdown. It's a form of intolerance.

Well, that's what dem gheys think. Personally, if it doesn't have a vag, I don't care. Where I live, I soak up the shine with my pussymobile. 1999 Malibu, the ladies love my fin.

[kearn1tm]

thats just cuz youre a pussy

Makes 'em think I'm sensitive, then I get to the boning.

Angelina Jolie's all "you're so feminist, dude." I'm all, I know baby, now work the balls.

[IntoTheSun]

YEAH MAN, RADIOHEAD IS FUCKING AMAZING.

/thread. please?

You're out of luck if that's want you want. Sorry. Our discussion on more important issues must bother you greatly...

(I'm just givin' you a hard time, man, hahaha)

[Chromefox]

i LOVE your salad dressing. hated you in road to providence though. Salad dressing, or tossed salad?

[IntoTheSun]

It's like the dudes who pride themselves on "not hitting women." When you ask them "would you hit a man," they'll respond "of course, dude." Why? I'm not suggesting men should hit women. I'm suggesting people shouldn't hit people. If you treat a specific person different because of their gender (not sex, this is a response to socialized portrayals of men and women), it promotes inequality. I don't claim I wouldn't hit a woman. I don't claim I'd hit a dude. If a large woman was hitting me, I would defend myself. If a dude was besmirching my honor and my "manhood" was at stake, I'd leave to avoid the fight. If the option of not assaulting someone (regardless of gender) is present, I'll take it.

Women do not need men to protect them.


Ryan's not even cute enough to get that worked up about. I mean, he's okay. I'd make out with him, but I'd forget about him and never call him back.

Since we pretty much agree on all this, I have not much more to add haha. But do continuing saying stuff, it's interesting to read and nod my head to anyway. And probably written a whole lot better.

I would never make out with Ryan. He's my AP brother, silly xD

i LOVE your salad dressing. hated you in road to providence though.

I LOVE Backwards Siren Song. I've had it stuck in my head all day, especially the line, "We're not lonely anymore, lonely like we were before"

[TheLastSunrise]

Look brah, acting obnoxious in any action doesn't give someone the right to physically assault someone. When a straight dude acts obnoxious, no one believes he's inviting a beatdown. It's a form of intolerance.

Well, that's what dem gheys think. Personally, if it doesn't have a vag, I don't care. Where I live, I soak up the shine with my pussymobile. 1999 Malibu, the ladies love my fin.

who said i was talking about physical assaults? of course thats shitty, unless the gay guy be steppin. but im saying the obnoxiusness invites prejudice. you may be geneticaly disposed to being gay but you arent disposed to being annoying as shit. that IS a choice, and it gives people reason for intolerance. wether that intolerance is justified or not, its gonna happen when a large portion of you act like that. so i cant figure out why you people are so amazed at the prejudice that happens. just look at the way the most famous gay people (and a lot of other gay) act.

[kearn1tm]

First of all, I worded that poorly when I said "choice." I was on the right path at the start, but that word definitely messes with things a bit. I don't believe that sexuality is a "choice"; that's ridiculous.

Then I apologize, Tim. I misread your post.

As for the whole Christianity versus homosexuality issue, I can't comment much on that because I'm just not educated well enough on it. I believe firmly that, regardless of beliefs, it's not the government's place to govern morality like that but rather to protect human rights, so I support any movement to bring equality to the homosexual equality. Between that and the fact that I have no Christian friends who are also gay, the issue has just never hit home enough for me to study passages about homosexuality to see what Scripture really says about it. The Bible is filled with culture-specific "commands" that aren't literally applicable today but still show core ideals that are relevant, so I have no idea where G-d really fits into all of this.

The ideals/"rules" Christians adhere to currently have been cherry-picked and with a large sense of subjective interpretation, and most of it goes to reinforce, again, hierarchies and social ranking systems.

Also, Christianity, at the core, isn't a set of rules. There is so much more to it than that. Following a set of rules is what the Pharisees did, and what Christ yelled at them for. There's verse after verse talking about how irrelevant outward actions are in your heart isn't right. Not that Christianity teaches us to do whatever we want (certain fruits should be produced), but the focus is never on actions. Rather, the focus is on living out G-d's love and becoming more like the character of Christ. I know that so much of the Bible looks like this on surface level, and the idea of hell can complicate it further, but it's not a simple matter of, "Oh, there's this set of rules, and if not, your punishment is damnation."

Oh, I know about this, yet ultimately, despite what the idea that there must be a sense of sincerity to the actions, people can't force sincerity, and that itself is a "rule." Religion was ultimately created to provide a greater depth/weight to various culture's established morals and provide a concrete, unified set of morals that a culture has reached a consensus on. That's essentially what it's stayed as, only with less democracy.

[Chromefox]

who said i was talking about physical assaults? of course thats shitty, unless the gay guy be steppin. but im saying the obnoxiusness invites prejudice. you may be geneticaly disposed to being gay but you arent disposed to being annoying as shit. that IS a choice, and it gives people reason for intolerance. wether that intolerance is justified or not, its gonna happen when a large portion of you act like that. so i cant figure out why you people are so amazed at the prejudice that happens. just look at the way the most famous gay people (and a lot of other gay) act. Right broseph, and you're acting like a huge doucherocket now, so should I become a misandarist? You're pouring out prejudice right now through your own (obnoxious, coincidentally) sweeping generalizations.

[kearn1tm]

who said i was talking about physical assaults? of course thats shitty, unless the gay guy be steppin. but im saying the obnoxiusness invites prejudice. you may be geneticaly disposed to being gay but you arent disposed to being annoying as shit. that IS a choice, and it gives people reason for intolerance. wether that intolerance is justified or not, its gonna happen when a large portion of you act like that. so i cant figure out why you people are so amazed at the prejudice that happens. just look at the way the most famous gay people (and a lot of other gay) act.

Your criteria for "obnoxious" includes a man kissing another man in public. That's not obnoxious. That's a homophobic (and insecure) stance of others.

What was your old username?

[KingsCrossing]

yeah, creep is okay and ok computer is "mad influential and shit" or whatever. but seriously, does anyone actually like them or do they jsut say they do to sound cool?

I hate threads like these.

Nobody should try and convince you of anything. If you don't like it and you think it's boring then it's your own opinion and it's most likely not going to change despite people's responses here.

[NateFoundGlory]

*ahem*

Radiohead.

/please end damn thread

[NateFoundGlory]

I hate threads like these.

Nobody should try and convince you of anything. If you don't like it and you think it's boring then it's your own opinion and it's most likely not going to change despite people's responses here.

This isn't about Radiohead, it's about homosexuality.

:-p

[theguy77]

You also have to take into account the fact that Obama had one of the most youth-oriented marketing campaigns since Clinton in '92, and tapped into a voter demo largely ignored and apathetic to politics. Furthermore, there was a very black cloud hanging over the Republican party following Bush's disastrous reign of horror, and the public opinion found McCain very much a product of his party (as he sold out his maverick idealist stances from just three years prior. The McCain of 2005/6, the guy who fought his own party over the constitution-butchering war-time torture caveats was eliminated and in his place, a hollow vessel for conservative drivel).

yeah all true. i know one thing, i dont care how he marketed himself, the thing that compelled me was that it was very refreshing to have the least conservative candidate in the whole senate running for office considering i think america's political spectrum is too far right. i agreed with more of his policies than i ever would have expected to for the first election that i was eligible to vote for.

Oh, I'm sorry you get into arguements with your mom about that. I honestly don't know what my own mom thinks about it. I'm scared to ask because I don't think it'll turn out well. I just have a feeling she'd say something really stupid like she always does and I'd react to it. The last time we ever talked about the subject, she was like "Andrea, do you know what gay means?" :hitself: It was quite embarassing.

haha oh god thats kind of aggravating. yeah you wouldnt want to bring up that kind of awkwardness again.

I think it's ironic that people are proud they aren't racist. Like Todd sort of said, seperating someone, even for a good reason, because of their race still makes you a racist. Just in a different way. Tolerating and accepting shouldn't be awarded haha.

exactly. like, why do you have to marginalize races in the first place? why do people in conversation specifically have to say, "oh i ran into this black guy today.." or "oh yeah i hung out with my asian friend mike last week"? why cant it just be "i ran into this guy" or "my friend mike"? any geneticist who studies DNA and biological human attributes will tell you the difference between a black person and a white person is about as negligible as the difference between a brunette with brown eyes and a brunette with blue eyes.

*hypothetical* like, yeah, good, your dad is racist but you were smart enough to understand that that's wrong. congratulations, now look at it from my perspective: im a fucking person who grew up in the same kinds of neighborhoods and hangs out with the same types of kids and has the same culture as you, so i expect to be treated just like any of your other friends -- that should be normal, not something i'm grateful for, because its the person i am and the person i have always been.

Hehe, I see. And don't hate on Ryan or I'll pummel your ass M-(

hahah standing up for your e-family! <3

[TheLastSunrise]

Your criteria for "obnoxious" includes a man kissing another man in public. That's not obnoxious. That's a homophobic (and insecure) stance of others.

What was your old username?

lol it was more then just kissing in public. it was following crotch crobbing and shit. also it was planned. and it was planned just to draw out homophobia from people. whys that nesescary?

lol wut?

[theguy77]

who said i was talking about physical assaults? of course thats shitty, unless the gay guy be steppin. but im saying the obnoxiusness invites prejudice. you may be geneticaly disposed to being gay but you arent disposed to being annoying as shit. that IS a choice, and it gives people reason for intolerance. wether that intolerance is justified or not, its gonna happen when a large portion of you act like that. so i cant figure out why you people are so amazed at the prejudice that happens. just look at the way the most famous gay people (and a lot of other gay) act.

you're so stupid. there's no correlation between homosexuality and effeminate behavior.

how about everybody who has posted in this thread, report this fucker so he can get the fuck off our website.

[KingsCrossing]

This isn't about Radiohead, it's about homosexuality.

:-p

Ha, apparently. Can't believe idiots like OP exist.

[RiCCioLi]

I wish I could, but they bore the shit outta me too

most over rated band this decade. mars volta are up there too

[TheLastSunrise]

you're so stupid. there's no correlation between homosexuality and effeminate behavior.

how about everybody who has posted in this thread, report this fucker so he can get the fuck off our website.

thats exactly what i said you fucking idiot

[theguy77]

Ryan's not even cute enough to get that worked up about. I mean, he's okay. I'd make out with him, but I'd forget about him and never call him back.

</3, you just dropped back beneath neil patrick harris on my "would go gay for list". not gonna bother changing my sexuality if i still dont have a chance at something meaningful with you :bluesad:

quick, make a joke, you'll move back up on the list.

[kearn1tm]

You know why Steve Martin hung it up on SNL after a few seasons? He thought the shtick would get stale. He went on to be a comedic genius. You know why Sherry O'Terry stayed so long, despite being a hideous stand-up with awful delivery and virtually no improv skills? She still made herself laugh, so touche.

[kearn1tm]

</3, you just dropped back beneath neil patrick harris on my "would go gay for list". not gonna bother changing my sexuality if i still dont have a chance at something meaningful with you :bluesad:

quick, make a joke, you'll move back up on the list.

Why did the turkey cross the road?

to hang out with the chicken. Ba-zing!

[theguy77]

thats exactly what i said you fucking idiot

i hope thom yorke rapes you.

[theguy77]

Why did the turkey cross the road?

to hang out with the chicken. Ba-zing!

dude! i love chicken! im black, remember?

okay you can have your old spot back.

[IntoTheSun]

haha oh god thats kind of aggravating. yeah you wouldnt want to bring up that kind of awkwardness again.



exactly. like, why do you have to marginalize races in the first place? why do people in conversation specifically have to say, "oh i ran into this black guy today.." or "oh yeah i hung out with my asian friend mike last week"? why cant it just be "i ran into this guy" or "my friend mike"? any geneticist who studies DNA and biological human attributes will tell you the difference between a black person and a white person is about as negligible as the difference between a brunette with brown eyes and a brunette with blue eyes.

*hypothetical* like, yeah, good, your dad is racist but you were smart enough to understand that that's wrong. congratulations, now look at it from my perspective: im a fucking person who grew up in the same kinds of neighborhoods and hangs out with the same types of kids and has the same culture as you, so i expect to be treated just like any of your other friends -- that should be normal, not something i'm grateful for, because its the person i am and the person i have always been.



hahah standing up for your e-family! <3

Ahh. Fuck me. I got caught up in another fun but pointless conversation in the BN threads. Now I am behind :(

[TheLastSunrise]

i hope thom yorke rapes you.

yeah he would cuz hes fucking gay

[kearn1tm]

dude! i love chicken! im black, remember?

Kinda. I imagine you still like mac and cheese too.

RACISM IS OKAY CUZ I'M GHEY

okay you can have your old spot back.

I gotta say, I was sweating bullets for a while.

[IntoTheSun]

dude! i love chicken! im black, remember?

okay you can have your old spot back.

I love eating black chicken. No, seriously.

[Chromefox]

I love eating black chicken. No, seriously. BUT HE'S YOUR BROTHER

[kearn1tm]

Ahh. Fuck me. I got caught up in another fun but pointless conversation in the BN threads. Now I am behind :(

Cliffnotes:

Ryan: I'm smart and look at me type "hypothetical" like an adult and Thom Yorke.

Me: *the sounds of awesome conveyed through typed words of magnificent thunder and lightening and sexiness*

The rest of the board: Oh my god please keep posting Todd you're so rad fuck yeah

[theguy77]

yeah he would cuz hes fucking gay

ooh ooh, hate my band next! i dont want any cunts like you at my shows.

[GuitarR0cker1]

taking back sunday cant do this:

fSpJEuNZxIk

fucking, live looping and sampling, they actually have a fucking solo of that shit towards the end.
Holy shit, this video made me go through some odd sensations.

[kearn1tm]

ooh ooh, hate my band next! i dont want any cunts like you at my shows.

Obligatory reference to your band made in thread? Done.

[theguy77]

Cliffnotes:

Ryan: I'm smart and look at me type "hypothetical" like an adult and Thom Yorke.

Me: *the sounds of awesome conveyed through typed words of magnificent thunder and lightening and sexiness*

The rest of the board: Oh my god please keep posting Todd you're so rad fuck yeah

you forgot the part where i spell better than you

[kearn1tm]

you forgot the part where i spell better than you

You've been reduced to pointing out spelling errors? You're that guy (no pun intended) now? Really?

[theguy77]

Obligatory reference to your band made in thread? Done.

ahahaha yep. wasnt a legit thread until i did that. i thought the whole purpose of my blue name was so i wouldnt have to do that, but nope, i do it anyway hahaha

[TheLastSunrise]

ooh ooh, hate my band next! i dont want any cunts like you at my shows.

omg you have a band??!?!!! and you play shows?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you are so fucking awesome!!!! im sure you guys are really good.

[kearn1tm]

ahahaha yep. wasnt a legit thread until i did that. i thought the whole purpose of my blue name was so i wouldnt have to do that, but nope, i do it anyway hahaha

Oh, hey. I didn't notice you had a blue name. I missed it you mentioning that the last five threads you mentioned it in.

[theguy77]

You've been reduced to pointing out spelling errors? You're that guy (no pun intended) now? Really?

im THE guy. i make the rules, korn1tm. funs are punny

[IntoTheSun]

BUT HE'S YOUR BROTHER

Wait, how did "You're so naive" become this? hahaha. Anyway, I was going to explain. It's a type of wild asian chicken that has grayish black skin and tastes really good. Ahhh...damn. It's no longer fun when I have to explain it.

Cliffnotes:

Ryan: I'm smart and look at me type "hypothetical" like an adult and Thom Yorke.

Me: *the sounds of awesome conveyed through typed words of magnificent thunder and lightening and sexiness*

The rest of the board: Oh my god please keep posting Todd you're so rad fuck yeah

Oh my god keep posting Todd you're so rad fuck yeah broooo


<3

[Chromefox]

omg you have a band??!?!!! and you play shows?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you are so fucking awesome!!!! im sure you guys are really good. Omfg! You have a computer!>>!??! AND YOU USE THE WEBBERNEZXT?!?!? You must be so fucking smart!

[theguy77]

omg you have a band??!?!!! and you play shows?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you are so fucking awesome!!!! im sure you guys are really good.

^ obnoxious behavior. is this the part where you punch yourself in the face?

[Chromefox]

Wait, how did "You're so naive" become this? Because I initially had no idea where to even begin with the hilarious wrongness of that post, and then I figured it out.

[TheLastSunrise]

^ obnoxious behavior. is this the part where you punch yourself in the face?

it was obnoxiousness as part of satire, so no. youre still a fucking idiot

[Chromefox]

it was obnoxiousness as part of satire, so no. youre still a fucking idiot Doesn't it have to be humorous to qualify as satire?

[theguy77]

it was obnoxiousness as part of satire, so no. youre still a fucking idiot

and you're a fucking idiot if you dont realize that most gay people who act "obnoxious" about it are indulging in self-satire as well. like, why are you alive?

[IntoTheSun]

Doesn't it have to be humorous to qualify as satire?

Guys like him have a different sense of humor.

[TheLastSunrise]

and you're a fucking idiot if you dont realize that most gay people who act "obnoxious" about it are indulging in self-satire as well. like, why are you alive?

thats not true tho.

i think, therefore i am.
-descartes

[theguy77]

thats not true tho.

i think, therefore i am.
-descartes

good argument dude

and i meant, why dont you kill yourself?

[IntoTheSun]

How strange it is to be anything at all...

[TheLastSunrise]

good argument dude

and i meant, why dont you kill yourself?

why dont you suck my dick cuz youre gay

[IntoTheSun]

why dont you suck my dick cuz youre gay

Was that an invitation for him?

Zing!

[NateFoundGlory]

why dont you suck my dick cuz youre gay

It pisses me off that you still exist...

[nickiswhatitis]

whats wrong with tbs... at least they actually use melody and arent just noise like radiohead


that. has. to. be. the dumbest statement. EVER

[x1onexwo1fx]

oh, come on! is this even about homophobes anymore? :hitself:

[x1onexwo1fx]

that. has. to. be. the dumbest statement. EVER

don't. talk. like. this. you. look. just. as. stupid.

[nickiswhatitis]

thanks dad.

[ANYcore]

I cant, it is boring

[x1onexwo1fx]

thanks dad.

hey, no problem, son.

...awkward...

[IntoTheSun]

Todd and Ryan leave and this is what happens. sigh.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I cant, it is boring

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well, fuck, you like brand new and thrice. good job. but brokencyde and i set my friends on fire? and calling radiohead boring? i just don't know what to say to you.

[briewer]

who said i was talking about physical assaults? of course thats shitty, unless the gay guy be steppin. but im saying the obnoxiusness invites prejudice. you may be geneticaly disposed to being gay but you arent disposed to being annoying as shit. that IS a choice, and it gives people reason for intolerance. wether that intolerance is justified or not, its gonna happen when a large portion of you act like that. so i cant figure out why you people are so amazed at the prejudice that happens. just look at the way the most famous gay people (and a lot of other gay) act.

how can you be gay with all the dumb hot sluts that are at cmu?
Sorry Todd, you've been replaced. I've found a new favorite poster.

[x togepi x]

I'm not oppressed.
You know what I'm getting at. And, for me, it's an issue of gay marriage being a non-issue. It shouldn't matter at all, and in all honesty, a lot of gay men don't even want to get married. I think there is a lot more self-victimization going on than there is real intolerance.

not to rain on your parade since there is value in what you're saying but you ought to try living in the bible belt before making statements like this. even then, we've had conversations about how acceptance of homosexuality = accepting the gay stereotype more than a few times.

stop using so many big words it just makes you sound liek a douche. how is homosexuality not a deviation from social norms? i believe it's not a choice (at least for most - some of the "bi" scene chicks obv. do choose it for other reasons) and that many people are simply attracted to the same sex, wether its because of genetics or childhood esperiences or whatever. but its def. not normal. i dont know how you can say that.

Social norms=what boring white middle aged people like.

Getting blow jobs (regardless of gender)=a deviation.
mutual masturbation (again regardless of gender)=a deviation
any sex that isn't missionary= a deviation.

The problem is, your rhetoric dehumanizes "gayness" (gender/sexualities are constructs dog, you can't say they're all the same) because it is a social deviation while not attacking people who like having anal sex with their supposedly way hot girlfriend with a tight ass.

When you use "gay" as an insult, you're playing a language game that is inherently dehumanizing to anyone that isn't heterosexual because "gay" can mean so many different things under the umbrella of GBLT. There is no way you can get out of this because the word gay was originally an empowering term for homosexuals and purposely re-appropriated by the dominant culture for oppressive purposes. To act like you can use the word and completely ignore its sociohistorical context is dumb.

and no, i'm not going to apologize for being smarter than you and using big words. suck my dick.

how can you be gay with all the dumb hot sluts that are at cmu?

oh cool, homophobic and sexist! you're totally a virgin.

Yet you'd be hard pressed to find a culture in which males are not the dominant.

They exist, and even then, so what? That doesn't mean they have to be.

lol how can gay people ask to be treated to the same when they do things like adam lambert did on the ama's. stop being so fucking obnoxius and then maybe the sterotypes will subside

gotta love the idiotic self clowning here.

I know you're trolling hard but i can't wait until you get banned.

haha yeah that didnt make any sense but nice try. kanye wasnt doing things related to being black. hes just a dumbass. lambert was making out with guys a grabbing their dicks, as if he was just trying to test the limits of peoples tolerance. most people are tolerant of gays, but when you do things like that, that are just blatant fucking obnoxius things designed to shock people into accidentally saying something homophobic, thats bullshit. and its fucking gay, no pun intended

It's telling that you have problem with gay men making out and grabbing each other's junk but you don't criticize similar behavior done by heterosexuals. I'm sure you've seen a man and a woman groping each other in public. how is that not shocking?

like i said, totally a virgin, jealous that people are getting some. otherwise expressions of love wouldn't be such a big deal.

yeah but enough do that there are at least 5 of them on my campus. theyre just inviting homophobia then, as if they like it. i doubt that most act the same as "normal" people though

You would probably tell a woman who just got raped that it's her fault for dressing cute.

Don't like that example? Well then how about when Kanye said "George Bush don't care about black people."

I don't see why this is a big deal. G dub didn't care about black people.

who said i was talking about physical assaults? of course thats shitty, unless the gay guy be steppin. but im saying the obnoxiusness invites prejudice. you may be geneticaly disposed to being gay but you arent disposed to being annoying as shit. that IS a choice, and it gives people reason for intolerance. wether that intolerance is justified or not, its gonna happen when a large portion of you act like that. so i cant figure out why you people are so amazed at the prejudice that happens. just look at the way the most famous gay people (and a lot of other gay) act.

Yes, we should use how the famous act as an indicator for how people in specific groups act. Chris Brown beat his girlfriend. I guess all black people do that, right? Taylor Swift was really bad on SNL, i guess white girls can't act.

but yeah, possibly the most famous gay couple in hollywood Ellen Degenerous and Portia DiRossi totally disprove your point. They act "normal".

and who cares if they don't? normal people are boring.

thats not true tho.

i think, therefore i am.
-descartes

just because you don't understand what the word satire means doesn't mean you can just name drop a terrible philosopher and think people are going to give a shit.

[briewer]

Yet again, togdog wins.

[x togepi x]

i'm glad you're keeping the name alive.

[briewer]

I didn't know its status was endangered?

[anthonydarko]

why dont you suck my dick cuz youre gay
Irony at it's finest.

[x1onexwo1fx]

not to rain on your parade since there is value in what you're saying but you ought to try living in the bible belt before making statements like this. even then, we've had conversations about how acceptance of homosexuality = accepting the gay stereotype more than a few times.



Social norms=what boring white middle aged people like.

Getting blow jobs (regardless of gender)=a deviation.
mutual masturbation (again regardless of gender)=a deviation
any sex that isn't missionary= a deviation.

The problem is, your rhetoric dehumanizes "gayness" (gender/sexualities are constructs dog, you can't say they're all the same) because it is a social deviation while not attacking people who like having anal sex with their supposedly way hot girlfriend with a tight ass.

When you use "gay" as an insult, you're playing a language game that is inherently dehumanizing to anyone that isn't heterosexual because "gay" can mean so many different things under the umbrella of GBLT. There is no way you can get out of this because the word gay was originally an empowering term for homosexuals and purposely re-appropriated by the dominant culture for oppressive purposes. To act like you can use the word and completely ignore its sociohistorical context is dumb.

and no, i'm not going to apologize for being smarter than you and using big words. suck my dick.



oh cool, homophobic and sexist! you're totally a virgin.



They exist, and even then, so what? That doesn't mean they have to be.



gotta love the idiotic self clowning here.

I know you're trolling hard but i can't wait until you get banned.



It's telling that you have problem with gay men making out and grabbing each other's junk but you don't criticize similar behavior done by heterosexuals. I'm sure you've seen a man and a woman groping each other in public. how is that not shocking?

like i said, totally a virgin, jealous that people are getting some. otherwise expressions of love wouldn't be such a big deal.



You would probably tell a woman who just got raped that it's her fault for dressing cute.



I don't see why this is a big deal. G dub didn't care about black people.



Yes, we should use how the famous act as an indicator for how people in specific groups act. Chris Brown beat his girlfriend. I guess all black people do that, right? Taylor Swift was really bad on SNL, i guess white girls can't act.

but yeah, possibly the most famous gay couple in hollywood Ellen Degenerous and Portia DiRossi totally disprove your point. They act "normal".

and who cares if they don't? normal people are boring.



just because you don't understand what the word satire means doesn't mean you can just name drop a terrible philosopher and think people are going to give a shit.

you're one hell of a scary poster. and i just marathoned half a season of supernatural.

[x togepi x]

rawr

[x1onexwo1fx]

You're out of luck if that's want you want. Sorry. Our discussion on more important issues must bother you greatly...

(I'm just givin' you a hard time, man, hahaha)

woops, missed this one.

honestly, i can't think of anything witty to say, so um, hi! how's life?

looooove the avatar. saw the movie a couple weeks ago.

[theguy77]

woops, missed this one.

honestly, i can't think of anything witty to say, so um, hi! how's life?

looooove the avatar. saw the movie a couple weeks ago.

STOP HITTING ON MY SISTER. andrea, what did i tell you about guys on the internet?

[theguy77]

rawr

i met ian mackaye last week. be jealous.

he literally changed my life.

[x1onexwo1fx]

rawr

:bolt:

[x1onexwo1fx]

STOP HITTING ON MY SISTER. andrea, what did i tell you about guys on the internet?

:bolt:

[x togepi x]

i met ian mackaye last week. be jealous.

he literally changed my life.

haha how?

somewhere i have a picture with henry rollins. be jealous of that. haha

[theguy77]

hahahaha, well done.

[theguy77]

haha how?

somewhere i have a picture with henry rollins. be jealous of that. haha

he did an open-ended Q&A session with my college's music business club. completely mindfucked all of these aspiring A&R's with his perspective of the music "business", it was beautiful. i actually brought a notepad and pencil (and there were a lot of people in the room so i didnt look like a goober), i'll transcribe some of his answers into the fugazi thread the minute im not too lazy to do so.

one that really stuck out to me, though, was comparing music to water. its bountiful, necessary, refreshing, cleansing, spiritual in some contexts... and inherently free, but some companies have just found a way to sell it in plastic.

and dont even get me started about when he got on a tangent about war. i dont know if its because it was coming from a truly liberal thinker or what but i was completely enthralled by every word that came out of his mouth when he talked about human cruelty. if he had a church and delivered "sermons" of his own ideologies i would be a regular attendant.

oh and i shook his hand at the end and brought up my idea for the "true music alliance", remember that?

[muttley]

Still not banned, huh? I'll check back tomorrow.

[IntoTheSun]

STOP HITTING ON MY SISTER. andrea, what did i tell you about guys on the internet?

You're a guy on the internet too, you creeper :D Let's not get too protective now...I don't want you scaring away my potential creepers I mean,ahem, friends

<3

PS: You should tell me to stop hitting on the guy in your avatar. Why doesn't he have a myspace or any official album? How is he not signed?! I don't understand this.

[stereokiller]

OP.

What the fuck. I don't listen to Radiohead.

But you have got to be the most fake person I have ever seen on this site.

[ANYcore]

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well, fuck, you like brand new and thrice. good job. but brokencyde and i set my friends on fire? and calling radiohead boring? i just don't know what to say to you.

Brokencyde and I set my friends on fire are more for comical value. I like the idea of ISMFOF defacing the song which defaced the hip hop industry ("Screamo" Crank dat). And Brokencyde, in my opinion, pulled off the greatest troll of 2009.

As you probably picked up I like alot of music, but I just cant get into Radiohead =X

[circasuicide]

"Everything in Its Right Place" is the music that nitemares are made of.

i don't care for radiohead, but they are certainly not boring.

[Yellowcard2006]

This will prove to you that Radiohead is a great band

Click here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1b3e28f6a1fdd6823615f042 ddcda35b) OP

[bard]

i LOVE your salad dressing. hated you in road to providence though.
this is the most offensive, stupid thing i've read in this thread.

lol, j/k


intolerant people are stupid. close thread.

[bard]

haha how?

somewhere i have a picture with henry rollins. be jealous of that. haha
hope this pic still works:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2941/38330003xw9.jpg

this guy is the best.

[TheLastSunrise]

not to rain on your parade since there is value in what you're saying but you ought to try living in the bible belt before making statements like this. even then, we've had conversations about how acceptance of homosexuality = accepting the gay stereotype more than a few times.



Social norms=what boring white middle aged people like.

Getting blow jobs (regardless of gender)=a deviation.
mutual masturbation (again regardless of gender)=a deviation
any sex that isn't missionary= a deviation.

The problem is, your rhetoric dehumanizes "gayness" (gender/sexualities are constructs dog, you can't say they're all the same) because it is a social deviation while not attacking people who like having anal sex with their supposedly way hot girlfriend with a tight ass.

When you use "gay" as an insult, you're playing a language game that is inherently dehumanizing to anyone that isn't heterosexual because "gay" can mean so many different things under the umbrella of GBLT. There is no way you can get out of this because the word gay was originally an empowering term for homosexuals and purposely re-appropriated by the dominant culture for oppressive purposes. To act like you can use the word and completely ignore its sociohistorical context is dumb.

and no, i'm not going to apologize for being smarter than you and using big words. suck my dick.



oh cool, homophobic and sexist! you're totally a virgin.



They exist, and even then, so what? That doesn't mean they have to be.



gotta love the idiotic self clowning here.

I know you're trolling hard but i can't wait until you get banned.



It's telling that you have problem with gay men making out and grabbing each other's junk but you don't criticize similar behavior done by heterosexuals. I'm sure you've seen a man and a woman groping each other in public. how is that not shocking?

like i said, totally a virgin, jealous that people are getting some. otherwise expressions of love wouldn't be such a big deal.



You would probably tell a woman who just got raped that it's her fault for dressing cute.



I don't see why this is a big deal. G dub didn't care about black people.



Yes, we should use how the famous act as an indicator for how people in specific groups act. Chris Brown beat his girlfriend. I guess all black people do that, right? Taylor Swift was really bad on SNL, i guess white girls can't act.

but yeah, possibly the most famous gay couple in hollywood Ellen Degenerous and Portia DiRossi totally disprove your point. They act "normal".

and who cares if they don't? normal people are boring.



just because you don't understand what the word satire means doesn't mean you can just name drop a terrible philosopher and think people are going to give a shit.

http://lemmycaution.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg

[TheReckoner]

http://lemmycaution.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg
Your pot thoughts are mean.

[foisol]

Eh... you either like them or you don't. It's a matter of personal opinion.

[theguy77]

this is the most offensive, stupid thing i've read in this thread.

lol, j/k


intolerant people are stupid. close thread.

hahaha. DONT CRITICIZE THE MOVIE, MAN!

[bard]

hahaha. DONT CRITICIZE THE MOVIE, MAN!
seriously though, that movie is incredible. one of my favorites. everything about it is so good.

[Chrisj182]

They bore me. I can barely listen to them.

[briewer]

http://lemmycaution.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg
Yeah! You tell 'em, guy!

[x togepi x]

http://lemmycaution.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Zecro/trolling.png

[TheLastSunrise]

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That might apply if you had simply said "you are fucking retarded," rather than addressing every ridiculous thing I said and trying to refute each of them.

[anomaly519]

Anyone who says Radiohead is "boring" doesn't know anything about music. Plain and simple. You may not like them, but if you like music, you have to respect them.

[x togepi x]

That might apply if you had simply said "you are fucking retarded," rather than addressing every ridiculous thing I said and trying to refute each of them.

it still applies. you're an idiot. i showed how for everyone else's benefit.

[yayitsjoe]

gay people need to just quit whining. too much time is spent catering to that tinyass minority when there are problems 1000x bigger than whether they get "marriages' or "civil unions". i called them gay cause there gay, idk.

you're an asshole.

[TheLastSunrise]

it still applies. you're an idiot. i showed how for everyone else's benefit.

Sore loser. This thread is practically the definition of successful trolling.

[x togepi x]

Sore loser. This thread is practically the definition of successful trolling.

my life is so much better than yours that I don't think getting online and slandering minority groups is a good way to spend some of my downtime.

but sure, call it "successful trolling", that doesn't change the fact that you're basically a nerd with shitty taste and asinine opinions. YOU WIN THE INTERNETS...i bet your mom is proud.

[IntoTheSun]

"Climbing up the Walls" is the music that nitemares are made of.

i don't care for radiohead, but they are certainly not boring.

fixeth.

[briewer]

"We Suck Young Blood" is the music that nitemares are made of.

i don't care for radiohead, but they are certainly not boring.
Fixed x2

[IntoTheSun]

"2+2=5" is the music that nitemares are made of.

i don't care for radiohead, but they are certainly not boring.

fixed. Third time's a charm? ;)

[cubine]

Anyone who says Radiohead is "boring" doesn't know anything about music. Plain and simple. You may not like them, but if you like music, you have to respect them.

You can respect a musical group and still consider them to be boring to listen to.

I really respect the work of Gustav Mahler but I find a lot of his pieces can be boring at points.

[briewer]

fixed. Third time's a charm? ;)
Wouldn't this be the fourth time? If you're trying to say I'm right, then yes, third time's the charm.

In all seriousness, though, Hail To The Thief is pretty much the soundtrack to every kind of nightmare out there.

[anthonydarko]

Sore loser. This thread is practically the definition of successful trolling.
I think this thread is quite the opposite.

[IntoTheSun]

Wouldn't this be the fourth time? If you're trying to say I'm right, then yes, third time's the charm.

In all seriousness, though, Hail To The Thief is pretty much the soundtrack to every kind of nightmare out there.

Wow thanks, asshole! (I'm just playing out our assumed mutual hate-relationship...this existed right?)

I love that album. Have you seen the music video for There, There? Freakin' creepy haha.

[TheLastSunrise]

my life is so much better than yours that I don't think getting online and slandering minority groups is a good way to spend some of my downtime.

but sure, call it "successful trolling", that doesn't change the fact that you're basically a nerd with shitty taste and asinine opinions. YOU WIN THE INTERNETS...i bet your mom is proud.

Trolling is an art form, and I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

Also, in my defense, I'm a student at Columbia University with a perfect girlfriend, good grades, and quality homies. I feel like I have a pretty satisfying life, but, granted, I'm not familiar with what yours. I'm sure it's totally awesome, but, considering your age and post count, I would venture to guess that I actually have a much more fulfilling life than you.

[jay_klinkhammer]

So was there a good answer?

[briewer]

Wow thanks, asshole! (I'm just playing out our assumed mutual hate-relationship...this existed right?)

I love that album. Have you seen the music video for There, There? Freakin' creepy haha.
No problem biatch. I guess? I'm not really aware of anything. Also, is biatch still cool to say?

I don't think I've seen it, but from the first time I heard "We Suck Young Blood", I was hoping they would release some Dawn of the Dead- type music video. Still hasn't materialized, unfortunately.

EDIT- Oh wait, I remember. You gave me shit for liking The Bends more than OK Computer. Fuck you! I kid, I kid.

[anthonydarko]

Trolling is an art form, and I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

Also, in my defense, I'm a student at Columbia University with a perfect girlfriend, good grades, and quality homies. I feel like I have a pretty satisfying life, but, granted, I'm not familiar with what yours. I'm sure it's totally awesome, but, considering your age and post count, I would venture to guess that I actually have a much more fulfilling life than you.
What you're doing isn't "trolling", you're just being a pest.

[IntoTheSun]

Trolling is an art form, and I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

Also, in my defense, I'm a student at Columbia University with a perfect girlfriend, good grades, and quality homies. I feel like I have a pretty satisfying life, but, granted, I'm not familiar with what yours. I'm sure it's totally awesome, but, considering your age and post count, I would venture to guess that I actually have a much more fulfilling life than you.

You're a student at Columbia who lives in Iowa. I was not aware that there was a "columbia university" of iowa.

[x togepi x]

Trolling is an art form, and I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

Also, in my defense, I'm a student at Columbia University with a perfect girlfriend, good grades, and quality homies. I feel like I have a pretty satisfying life, but, granted, I'm not familiar with what yours. I'm sure it's totally awesome, but, considering your age and post count, I would venture to guess that I actually have a much more fulfilling life than you.

I play music. that's real art. The fact that you're bragging about being a good troll shows how lame you really are.
OH MAN YOU PULLED THE POST COUNT SHIT OUT. even with my "high" post count i've done way more than you ever will. but then again, i don't get off on bashing the gays.

[ruffian]

Trolling is an art form, and I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

Also, in my defense, I'm a student at Columbia University with a perfect girlfriend, good grades, and quality homies. I feel like I have a pretty satisfying life, but, granted, I'm not familiar with what yours. I'm sure it's totally awesome, but, considering your age and post count, I would venture to guess that I actually have a much more fulfilling life than you.

lol. i.e. I have nothing to say for myself so I'm going to attack your age and your enjoyment of a website I enjoy too.

[RushAndAPush]

Can we talk about Radiohead now?

[xJesusFreakx]

Anyone who says Radiohead is "boring" doesn't know anything about music. Plain and simple. You may not like them, but if you like music, you have to respect them.

"Boring" is a relative claim, though, not an objective claim. Maybe Radiohead is boring for some people. No big deal.

Can we talk about Radiohead now?

Psh... That's what the official thread is for.

[IntoTheSun]

No problem biatch. I guess? I'm not really aware of anything. Also, is biatch still cool to say?

I don't think I've seen it, but from the first time I heard "We Suck Young Blood", I was hoping they would release some Dawn of the Dead- type music video. Still hasn't materialized, unfortunately.

EDIT- Oh wait, I remember. You gave me shit for liking The Bends more than OK Computer. Fuck you! I kid, I kid.

If you're that middle school kid wearing an Abercrombie and Fitch sweater, then yes.

Here you are, the last part is the weirdest:

vs1DX32t38c

Sorry, you're not my type, Mr. Planet Telex lover. Yeah, I just went there. owned

[briewer]

Trolling is an art form, and I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

Also, in my defense, I'm a student at Columbia University with a perfect girlfriend, good grades, and quality homies. I feel like I have a pretty satisfying life, but, granted, I'm not familiar with what yours. I'm sure it's totally awesome, but, considering your age and post count, I would venture to guess that I actually have a much more fulfilling life than you.
Columbia and women must have really lowered their standards recently.

[Chromefox]

Can someone tell me what is so satisfying about trolling? Is it fulfilling, making one's self look like a twat in front of strangers?

[x1onexwo1fx]

Psh... That's what the official thread is for.

hey, don't be too harsh on the guy. he's new.

[IntoTheSun]

Can someone tell me what is so satisfying about trolling? Is it fulfilling, making one's self look like a twat in front of strangers?

Exactly. I never understood it. Like, why would anyone want to be called a fucking idiot by 10 different strangers?