View Full Version : Not Really The Kind Of Thing You Should Be To Bragging About
Frank Giaramita
06/13/06, 06:41 AM
According to Yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060612/ap_en_mu/people_white_stripes), a federal lawsuit has been filed by producer Jim Diamond who worked on the first two The White Stripes albums and says he played a pivotal role in creating the band's sounds and wants a cut of the royalties. The trial began Monday.
Source: Mammoth Press
HungJury
06/13/06, 06:49 AM
Sounds like he may be hurting for money.
Cerpin Taxt
06/13/06, 06:59 AM
Maybe I'm being hypersensitive, but the subject of this post appears to resemble what the kids might call "shit talk."
If that the case, it's a damn shame. The sound of the first few White Stripes records is really great: raw, emotive, and passionate. That's more than can be said for the vast majority of the bands featured here, despite their considerable pretensions.
That said, this case does seem like a complete joke. Jack White is responsible for the sound of the White Stripes, even if that means he just chose the right producer.
The Revisionist
06/13/06, 07:17 AM
^ To rebound off of that, why would you not want to brag about creating a sound that has started a huge trend in the music industry and has the potential to bank you a lot of cash?
maledixtion
06/13/06, 07:19 AM
I remember reading about this almost 2 years ago. I can't believe it takes so long to go to court.
Frank Giaramita
06/13/06, 07:24 AM
Maybe I'm being hypersensitive, but the subject of this post appears to resemble what the kids might call "shit talk."
If that the case, it's a damn shame. The sound of the first few White Stripes records is really great: raw, emotive, and passionate. That's more than can be said for the vast majority of the bands featured here, despite their considerable pretensions.
That said, this case does seem like a complete joke. Jack White is responsible for the sound of the White Stripes, even if that means he just chose the right producer.
^ To rebound off of that, why would you not want to brag about creating a sound that has started a huge trend in the music industry and has the potential to bank you a lot of cash?
The topic wasn't meant to imply the band's sound is "bad", but extremely basic and simple. I didn't know the band needed to seek out a producer to find their "sound" for them, being that their "sound" mainly consists of two guitar riffs and one drum beat per song.
Also, what "huge trend" was started?... It was so huge that I must've missed it.
(joeyman)
06/13/06, 07:27 AM
there was an interview with this guy i believe in alternative press a long time ago...and it talked about the sour relationship these two guys had for each other now. i forget what happened. i'll see if i can find the article.
B4theblackout
06/13/06, 07:28 AM
The topic wasn't meant to imply the band's sound is "bad", but extremely basic and simple. I didn't know the band needed to seek out a producer to find their "sound" for them, being that their "sound" mainly consists of two guitar riffs and one drum beat per song.
Also, what "huge trend" was started?... It was so huge that I must've missed it.
Frank that was amazing, i guess i missed it to
ThreeUdders
06/13/06, 07:32 AM
I'm not sure I would actually admit that I helped develop the sound of The White Stripes. One guy that can't play the guitar with a chick that can't hold a beat? Congrats dude!
Frank Giaramita
06/13/06, 07:36 AM
Frank that was amazing, i guess i missed it to
Hahaha, I don't have a problem with the band at all, and I generally enjoy basic stuff. Edge of U2 is one of my favorite guitarists and that dude plays one chord for 4 minutes in some of the songs. It would be like a U2 producer saying, "Fuck! I wrote that guitar riff, give me money for it!"... dude, it's one chord. Haha.
elvis2x
06/13/06, 07:37 AM
I hope he loses.
The topic wasn't meant to imply the band's sound is "bad", but extremely basic and simple. I didn't know the band needed to seek out a producer to find their "sound" for them, being that their "sound" mainly consists of two guitar riffs and one drum beat per song.
Also, what "huge trend" was started?... It was so huge that I must've missed it.
I guess you were too busy listening to Yellowcard and Blink right? Two guitar riffs? Are you deaf? Have you even listened to the old records? Yes, the drums and music isn't super technical and over produced, but thats what makes it good. If you really have listened to it and dont like it...thats a taste issue. But if you havent, I strongly urge you to cause you'll probably be pleasantly surprised.
Craftsy21
06/13/06, 07:44 AM
Some of you guys sound butthurt over the white stripes... what a waste that must be.
Frank Giaramita
06/13/06, 07:55 AM
I guess you were too busy listening to Yellowcard and Blink right? Two guitar riffs? Are you deaf? Have you even listened to the old records? Yes, the drums and music isn't super technical and over produced, but thats what makes it good. If you really have listened to it and dont like it...thats a taste issue. But if you havent, I strongly urge you to cause you'll probably be pleasantly surprised.
What if I was too busy listening to Yellowcard and Blink? What difference would that make?...especially considering that Yellowcard and Blink are in the same boat as The White Stripes as far as difficulty and complexity of sound goes. And to answer that question, I've actually been listening to the new Goo Goo Dolls and Anathallo, since you were so curious to know.
It was a figure of speech, and exagerration if you will (ex: "I haven't seen you in a million years!"). I know the songs don't consist of "two guitar riffs", it was my way of saying, "the songs are extremely basic and simple". In my opinion, their "sound" doesn't need so much developing that a producer needs to sue them over it.
Also, like I said before, whether the music is "good" or not is completely irrelevant to anything in this thread because simplicity (which is what we're discussing) is completely un-parallel to the quality of a band's music.
OneFellSwoop
06/13/06, 08:05 AM
hahahah yeah um frank is 100% right so some of you might want to quit while you're ahead...
Suprhatch614
06/13/06, 08:43 AM
I'm not sure I would actually admit that I helped develop the sound of The White Stripes. One guy that can't play the guitar with a chick that can't hold a beat? Congrats dude!
So how's life on planet ignorance treating you?
postscript
06/13/06, 08:51 AM
isn't it the producer's job to develop the band's sound in the first place? i mean, that's why he gets paid to help them make the record. he probably did help them develop their sound, but i assume he's already been paid well for that.
byebyebeautiful
06/13/06, 09:02 AM
hey, didn't pitchfork have this news back in late '95?
Oh wow. This Frank dude is so off base, its almost comical. Putting the White Stripes and Yellowcard in the same boat? Saying the White Stripes sound is "easy"? Missing the whole garage rock revival that took place 3-4 years ago? C'mon dude, step up your music knowledge game.
ThreeUdders
06/13/06, 09:37 AM
So how's life on planet ignorance treating you?
If you honestly think that Jack White can play the guitar well, then I pity your musical sensability.
If you honestly think that Jack White can play the guitar well, then I pity your musical sensability.
Wow. I'd imagine that's the kind of ignorant crap that some 18 year old Guitar Center employees would say while polishing the v-neck guitars. How does it feel to not get that you don't get it?
Wow. I'd imagine that's the kind of ignorant crap that some 18 year old Guitar Center employees would say while polishing the v-neck guitars. How does it feel to not get that you don't get it?
AMEN.
tharealck
06/13/06, 09:55 AM
If you honestly think that Jack White can play the guitar well, then I pity your musical sensability.
#17: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_ time/
agree to disagree?
By the way Franky, you've disgraced the land of Hyrule with your avatar and bad taste in music.
Frank Giaramita
06/13/06, 10:11 AM
By the way Franky, you've disgraced the land of Hyrule with your avatar and bad taste in music.
It's good to see you can really back up your original argument.
How can you possibly come to the conclusion that my taste in music is "bad"? I've only stated three bands that I listen to in this thread (3 of about 200+)...talk about ignorance. Also, contrary to what you may believe, I really couldn't give a fuck what "Jerbot" from the AP.net forums has to say about my music taste, especially considering you have no idea what I even listen to.
In my opinion, The White Stripes are horrendous, and I could easily say you have "bad taste in music" for listening to them, but I wouldn't because I actually respect you and your music preference.
atouchoverrated
06/13/06, 10:26 AM
Weird me and one of my co workers were just talking about this yesterday. He was telling me who his band previously recorded with and this was the guy (Diamond) who his band made their record with.
Then this gets posted.
ThreeUdders
06/13/06, 10:39 AM
Wow. I'd imagine that's the kind of ignorant crap that some 18 year old Guitar Center employees would say while polishing the v-neck guitars. How does it feel to not get that you don't get it?
Sure the guy comes up with catchy riffs, but come on. The only way this guy could be a better GUITAR PLAYER is if he went into an epileptic seizure at a rhythmic pace.
It's good to see you can really back up your original argument.
How can you possibly come to the conclusion that my taste in music is "bad"? I've only stated three bands that I listen to in this thread (3 of about 200+)...talk about ignorance. Also, contrary to what you may believe, I really couldn't give a fuck what "Jerbot" from the AP.net forums has to say about my music taste, especially considering you have no idea what I even listen to.
In my opinion, The White Stripes are horrendous, and I could easily say you have "bad taste in music" for listening to them, but I wouldn't because I actually respect you and your music preference.
Jeez, dont know how to take a joke eh? My original point was simply to check them out before judging. If you have listened to them (other then the singles) and dont like them fine, thats your taste. If you think they cant play and want to shit talk then you must have never really heard them in the first place. I was just trying to urge people to check them out. Also, obviously you do care what I have to say about your musical taste, otherwise you wouldn't have replied in such a defensive manner. That'll be all.
tenminutes
06/13/06, 10:58 AM
you kids need to broaden your definition of what a good guitar player is..... just because he plays some simplistic riffs does not make him bad or untalented. that's like arguing artists like picasso or warhol are bad artists because they can't paint the most intricate details.
Get Fucked
06/13/06, 11:24 AM
If you honestly think that Jack White can play the guitar well, then I pity your musical sensability.
Sure the guy comes up with catchy riffs, but come on. The only way this guy could be a better GUITAR PLAYER is if he went into an epileptic seizure at a rhythmic pace.You're retarded, who cares what he plays in his band. He may be one of the greatest guitarists of all time outside of that, who knows how good he is? Just leave it alone now lol.
10 years from now no one will remember whatever eye-liner wearing boy band you listened to in 2006, but they will remember the White Stripes. Jack White may even be president by then.
imirish06
06/13/06, 11:58 AM
Jack White would own you on a guitar
Frank Giaramita
06/13/06, 01:37 PM
Jeez, dont know how to take a joke eh? My original point was simply to check them out before judging. If you have listened to them (other then the singles) and dont like them fine, thats your taste. If you think they cant play and want to shit talk then you must have never really heard them in the first place. I was just trying to urge people to check them out. Also, obviously you do care what I have to say about your musical taste, otherwise you wouldn't have replied in such a defensive manner. That'll be all.
My reply was not "defensive" in any way.
Suprhatch614
06/13/06, 01:57 PM
1. It's good to see you can really back up your original argument.
How can you possibly come to the conclusion that my taste in music is "bad"? 2. I've only stated three bands that I listen to in this thread (3 of about 200+)...talk about ignorance. Also, contrary to what you may believe, I really couldn't 3. give a fuck what "Jerbot" from the AP.net forums has to say about my music taste, especially considering you have no idea what I even listen to.
In my opinion, The White Stripes are horrendous, and I could easily say you have "bad taste in music" for listening to them, 4. but I wouldn't because I actually respect you and your music preference.
1. It's good....I'd like some toast and a smattering of sarcasm if you wouldn't mind
2. Are you sure you listen to 200+ bands...are you sure it's not like 300+ bands b/c that would be much more impressive and make me hold what you say in a different light than other random posters on the internet. I personally listen to 1000000+ bands, but you know, it's because I'm super awesome
3. (subconsciously thinking) "by swearing, I can express with emphatic weight how much I don't care about strangers' opinions in a way a proper vocabulary never could"
4. To use an analogy, if I make lemonade with 1000000+ lemons (my lemon tastes are just as vast and varied as my music) but then top it with 1 teaspoon of sugar, the overall taste of the concoction will be.....LEMON!!! yay, that was fun
The moral of the story: Everyone's an asshole, especially on the internet. For the most part people don't mind. Just don't try to say you're not something, when it's completely evident that you most truly are...defensive in this case, as opposed to asshole, in most cases.
JunkBondTrader
06/13/06, 03:35 PM
73. Trey Anastasio.....thats total bullshit.
Trey is a top 20 guitar player easily.
and yea Jack White is an incredible musician.
The White Stripes or The Raconteurs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pretty much every band on this website.
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