arm-or

[mat1419]

i finally heard people calling out for this shit to stop. i can see how some people are going to be totally for it, but i personally think batters using gigantic arm protection on their arm facing the pitcher is hurting the game. basically it allows them to get right on top of the plate, take away the entire zone for the pitcher, and takes away any threat for the pitcher to back him off with any heat. worst case scenerio is a guy gets hit on his plastic, doesn't feel it, and gets a free base.

it's like a boxer throwing a haymaker but wearing a full mask, so there's no way they can get hit back.

[Goodbye Forever]

Lastings Milledge wears bulletproof protection. Shit's crazy.

[mat1419]

it's like the poker players who cover their entire face when they play a hand...where's the sport in it?

[bigmike]

i agree. I said this too in the thread about what you would change about your favorite sport. It's ridiculous. If anything it just puts more risk at the hitters because pitchers head hunt just to get them off the plate where as they used to be able to throw towards their ribs and not at their skulls.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I really don't see a big deal with it.

[mat1419]

I really don't see a big deal with it.
turn on the first baseball game you see on tv and watch how close the batters are...they have such an advantage now

[wessa]

I really don't see a big deal with it.


HAHAHAHA, says the giants fan. Everyone ask yourself this question, what player in the league benefits the most from wearing extreme armor on his elbows?

Answer: barry bonds


there is a big problem with this armor stuff, i actually don't mind if they want to wear some padding, but it should not protrude from their elbow. Kaz Matsui used to wear a really small one when he was on the mets. Some of these guys look like they are going skateboarding with those pads.

[ActorInThisPlay]

turn on the first baseball game you see on tv and watch how close the batters are...they have such an advantage now
ok well then baseball should move the batter's box if it is that big of a deal but to ban protective gear is dumb.

[ActorInThisPlay]

HAHAHAHA, says the giants fan. Everyone ask yourself this question, what player in the league benefits the most from wearing extreme armor on his elbows?

Answer: barry bonds


there is a big problem with this armor stuff, i actually don't mind if they want to wear some padding, but it should not protrude from their elbow. Kaz Matsui used to wear a really small one when he was on the mets. Some of these guys look like they are going skateboarding with those pads.
my being a Giants fan has absolutely nothing to do with it. i just don't really care that someone is wearing something to protect themselves from getting hurt. what are you going ban next, helmets? I mean they do let the batter get closer to the plate and they don't have to be afraid as much of getting hit in the head...please.

[bigmike]

if i was a pitcher i'd be throwing at heads to back guys off the plate.

[mat1419]

the great part about the battle of hitting was both sides had something to lose...

for the batter there was an element of danger and surprise...it could come fast or slow, in or out, you have to be on your toes. on top of that, you had to be careful not to get in the way of it, so the pitchers were able to control the plate a little and slow down the batters reaction time a fraction of a second.

now, the batters have nothing to lose going in and can just focus on the ball. if they get too close to it, it clicks off them and they get a base. it's crap and not fun to watch.

[mat1419]

if i was a pitcher i'd be throwing at heads to back guys off the plate.
that's bad form though...it shouldn't have to come to that. the unwritten rules were smooth and known before, that elbow was enough to teach people to stay back and be on their toes. if pitchers have to resort to heads to get that back, baseball is in deep shit.

[LeftWideOpen]

the problem goes beyond elbow protection ...thats just the easy way out. Derek Jeter doesnt wear shit and he still hangs over the plate. Until pitchers start coming inside more often, hitters are going to hang over the inside part of the plate. It has a lot more to do with mediocre pitching then it does hitters hanging over the plate.

[FondestMemory]

i don't see the problem with it at all.

if a player has elbow surgery, and needs to protect it to prevent a career ending injury, then let him. and if you let him, you have to let anybody else.

[ActorInThisPlay]

the problem goes beyond elbow protection ...thats just the easy way out. Derek Jeter doesnt wear shit and he still hangs over the plate. Until pitchers start coming inside more often, hitters are going to hang over the inside part of the plate. It has a lot more to do with mediocre pitching then it does hitters hanging over the plate.
yeah that is what I think too. Like I said, if it is that big of a deal, then move the batter's box a little bit away from the plate. some pitchers have no problem pitching good inside pitches and fooling batters.

[bigmike]

that's bad form though...it shouldn't have to come to that. the unwritten rules were smooth and known before, that elbow was enough to teach people to stay back and be on their toes. if pitchers have to resort to heads to get that back, baseball is in deep shit.
Yeah, i know. my first post said that. I think with all the armor and shit it actually presents more chances of getting seriously hurt as they have to throw at their heads to back them off. then they get pissed and rush the mound.

the problem goes beyond elbow protection ...thats just the easy way out. Derek Jeter doesnt wear shit and he still hangs over the plate. Until pitchers start coming inside more often, hitters are going to hang over the inside part of the plate. It has a lot more to do with mediocre pitching then it does hitters hanging over the plate.
Good, good point.

[bigmike]

i don't see the problem with it at all.

if a player has elbow surgery, and needs to protect it to prevent a career ending injury, then let him. and if you let him, you have to let anybody else.
yeah. because carl crawford, david ortiz, craig biggio, barry bonds, etc. all need to wear it to protect an elbow surgery they had. oh wait. they don't.

[mat1419]

i don't see the problem with it at all.

if a player has elbow surgery, and needs to protect it to prevent a career ending injury, then let him. and if you let him, you have to let anybody else.
not true...in football, only certain players can wear visors. if you have some sort of eye condition you can wear one, otherwise it's illegal because it's unfair to not see eyes.

same should be true here, if a pitcher or someone with a chronic elbow is up to the plate and is approved, i can see some protection, but to throw a guy up there with armor is taking away half of the battle at the plate.

[FondestMemory]

yeah. because carl crawford, david ortiz, craig biggio, barry bonds, etc. all need to wear it to protect an elbow surgery they had. oh wait. they don't.

did you read anything i wrote?

[bigmike]

did you read anything i wrote?
Nah, i can't read.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

not true...in football, only certain players can wear visors. if you have some sort of eye condition you can wear one, otherwise it's illegal because it's unfair to not see eyes.

same should be true here, if a pitcher or someone with a chronic elbow is up to the plate and is approved, i can see some protection, but to throw a guy up there with armor is taking away half of the battle at the plate.
I thought that was just for tinted visors (ex. Ricky Williams' orange one and Koren Robinson's reflective one)

[xbrokendownx]

I thought that was just for tinted visors (ex. Ricky Williams' orange one and Koren Robinson's reflective one)




im a dolphins fan and i dont ever remember ricky williams having an orange one...

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

im a dolphins fan and i dont ever remember ricky williams having an orange one...
Maybe Ricky didn't have an orange one. He had the weird looking clear/reflective one, right?

Something to do with the social disorder he has?

[xbrokendownx]

Maybe Ricky didn't have an orange one. He had the weird looking clear/reflective one, right?

Something to do with the social disorder he has?




i remember him having the reflective one and a black one.

he didnt have it because of his disorder, i think he actually was allwoed to use them because of some condition with his eyes if i remember correctly

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i remember him having the reflective one and a black one.

he didnt have it because of his disorder, i think he actually was allwoed to use them because of some condition with his eyes if i remember correctly
Maybe I just read at some bullshit site he had it because of the social anxiety.

If it's a condition with his eyes, at least we know it's not Glaucoma.

[mat1419]

I thought that was just for tinted visors (ex. Ricky Williams' orange one and Koren Robinson's reflective one)
yeah, anything that blocks the eyes from the other team and gives the person wearing it an advantage has to be cleared by the league.

i think it should be the same with arm plastic.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

yeah, anything that blocks the eyes from the other team and gives the person wearing it an advantage has to be cleared by the league.

i think it should be the same with arm plastic.
So that's why the entire team from The U can wear orange visors, but when they hit the NFL, they wear none, or go clear (see: Willis McGahee, Clinton Portis, Roscoe Parrish, Devin Hester...)

[xbrokendownx]

Maybe I just read at some bullshit site he had it because of the social anxiety.

If it's a condition with his eyes, at least we know it's not Glaucoma.




haha true that


he frustrates me so much its crazy. the dude doesnt care about football at all and is still nasty as hell. last year he was a beast

[wessa]

i don't see the problem with it at all.

if a player has elbow surgery, and needs to protect it to prevent a career ending injury, then let him. and if you let him, you have to let anybody else.

but they don't have to wear huge armor, they should wear something small that doesn't give the player an obvious advantage.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

but they don't have to wear huge armor, they should wear something small that doesn't give the player an obvious advantage.
they should wear something like skate pads: armband style with a hard plastic shell, but not one that's 3 1/2 inches thick and reinforced with metal.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Just look at the difference here:

Barry Bonds and his armor:
http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/30/barryBondsHits69.jpg

Kaz Matsui and his elbow protector (note it's black on black sleeves):
http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/2004_Baseball_Action/Mets/Images/MatsuiKaz3.jpg

[ActorInThisPlay]

this is retarded...

[bigmike]

Maybe I just read at some bullshit site he had it because of the social anxiety.

If it's a condition with his eyes, at least we know it's not Glaucoma.
I know his rookie year he used to do interviews with his helmet on because of some social anxiety disorder or whatnot.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I know his rookie year he used to do interviews with his helmet on because of some social anxiety disorder or whatnot.
THAT's what it was.

[Caleb Cattivera]

why bitch about something that's not going to change

[Broken Parachute]

Bonds stands right on top of the plate either way. He's annoying. I don't care about the elbow pads. They are kind of annoying, but I don't think it's ruining the game.

[wessa]

Just look at the difference here:

Barry Bonds and his armor:
http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/30/barryBondsHits69.jpg

Kaz Matsui and his elbow protector (note it's black on black sleeves):
http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/2004_Baseball_Action/Mets/Images/MatsuiKaz3.jpg

thank you for posting the picture of kaz. I mentioned him before but couldn't find a picture (or didnt really look very hard, haha).