Top 5 Favorite/Least Favorite People In Music

[flks511]

Simple enough. Post your top five favorite people involved in music (extra points to people who don't say Jesse Lacey) followed by your least favorite. I'll get us started.....

Top 5 Favorites
Ace Enders
John Nolan
Billy Joe Armstrong
Daryl Palumbo
Brandon Reilly

Top 5 Least Favorites
Craig Mabbit
Tony Brummel
Gerard Way
Christofer Ingle
wiL Francis

[oddwithoutend]

The first five favourites that came to mind were:

Phil Elverum
Matt Berninger
Sam Beam
Tyondai Braxton
Noah Lennox

and I don't care to discuss my least favourite.

[xJesusFreakx]

Mine are all frontmen because I tend to care about the vocalist/lyricist more so than what's going on with the instruments. Not that the latter is in any way insignificant, I just rank the former a little higher.

Dustin Kensrue
Kevin Max
Matt Berninger
Andrew Schwab
Bradley Hathaway

There are probably others I'd rank on the same level or higher, but these are what come to mind at the moment.

I do't care to discuss my least favourite.

[AgainstMichael!]

Favourite:
Billie Joe Armstrong
Mark Hoppus
Ty Vaughan
Fat Mike
Jordan Pundik

[The Summer Ends]

favorites

chris carrabba
dave matthews
john vesely
mike kinsella
kenny vasoli

don't really have last favorite, but if i had to choose one it would be jonny craig. he's such a douche.

[sleepyseanzzz]

my favorite 5 - i tried to pick old school legends that are still better than most of the stuff that comes out today
1. fat mike (bass, nofx)
2. mark hoppus (bass, blink)
3. roger manginelli (bass, less than jake) - any bass player looking to find something more challenging to play than blink or green day should check out their back catalogue. his bass lines are one of many great reasons to get into the band
4. chad gilbert (guitar, new found glory)
5. tim armstrong (guitar, rancid)

honorable mention - eminem, kenny vasoli, travis barker, billie joe armstrong

[threepunchjim]

Dave Grohl
Stephen Christian
John Mayer
Thom Yorke
Jay-Z

- I know they're all mainstream (maybe minus Christian), but I more so went for personalities and real "big players" that I respect.

Soulja Boy
Dave Matthews
Pete Wentz
Britney Spears
Billie Joe Armstrong

hate 'em.

[Chop[chop]]

Jessy Laisey is my heroe ♥

[Ari Christos]

Favorite:

Thom Yorke
Teppei Teranishi
Kevin Devine
Anthony Green
Conor Oberst

[threepunchjim]

my favorite 5 - i tried to pick old school legends that are still better than most of the stuff that comes out today
1. fat mike (bass, nofx)
2. mark hoppus (bass, blink)
3. roger manginelli (bass, less than jake) - any bass player looking to find something more challenging to play than blink or green day should check out their back catalogue. his bass lines are one of many great reasons to get into the band
4. chad gilbert (guitar, new found glory)
5. tim armstrong (guitar, rancid)

honorable mention - eminem, kenny vasoli, travis barker, billie joe armstrong

yes. see "last one in liberty city"

[Rodeo]

Tom Waits
Jack White
Steve Albini
Paul McCartney
Bob Dylan
Neil Young

[bandrewes]

hmm

favourite (had to do 6)

- conor oberst
- ben gibbard
- max bemis
- guy-manuel de homem-christo/thomas bangalter
- julian casablancas
- sufjan stevens

dont wanna talk about the hated

[cinderandsmoke]

Hahaha, I'm not ashamed to say Jesse Lacey.

Favorite:
Jesse Lacey
Marissa Paternoster
Phil Elverum
Sam Beam
Alison Mosshart
Steven Malkmus
Steve Albini
Aaron Weiss
Kevin Devine
Anthony Green

Least Favorite:
Jared Leto
Lil Wayne
Christofer Drew
Jeffree Star
Gabe Saporta

[MADSTA]

Elliott Smith
Sufjan Stevens
Conor Oberst
Andrew McMahon
Casey Crescenzo
So many more that I wish could fit onto this list.

[patpratt]

Kenny Vasoli
Andrew McMahon
Laura Stevenson
Brian Bonz
Andy Hull
Kevin Devine

[Tautou107]

Kevin Devine
Conor Oberst
Dustin Kensrue
Geoff Rickly
John Samson
Andy Hull

Oh and Jesse Lacey

[lindZ629]

Favorite current artists would include:
John Mayer (mostly for his guitar skills, partly for his song writing ability)
Sufjan Stevens (creativity)
Dave Matthews (great lyricist)
Trey Anastasio (ability to compose great music)
Mike Kinsella (There has not been a band he's been part of that I don't love)

Least favorite would mostly include attention whores and musicians who I cannot stand.

[MartyrsCasualty]

Casey Cresenzo
Noah Lennox
Sufjan Stevens
Omar Rodriguez Lopez
Justin Vernon
Thomas Erak?

[Chop[chop]]

Kevin Devine
Conor Oberst
Dustin Kensrue
Geoff Rickly
John Samson
Andy Hull

Oh and Jesse Lacey

Mine would be:
Andy Hull
Conor Oberst
Jesse Lacey
Jeff Mangum

I tend to place those four above others. There's about 5/6 more, but they're not interchangeable with these guys. Discluding Lennon/McCartney.

[warstory]

Thom Yorke
Jonny Greenwood
Colin Greenwood
Phil Selway
Ed O'Brien
:)

[gr33ndayfr3ak]

Andrew McMahon.
John Mayer.
Maybe Jack White and Patrick Stump.

[IntoTheSun]

uhh...

I'm still going to have to say Jesse Lacey ;)
Conor Oberst
Matt Berninger
Thom Yorke
Sufjan Stevens
Pete Doherty

[kearn1tm]

The Rock
guy from Slayer
the other guys from Slayer
not Ryan
Jesus and God and baby Jesus

[murrich]

Favourite
David Eugene Edwards
Tom Waits
Lou Reed
Neil Young
Leonard Cohen

[kearn1tm]

How does one be "in music?"

I'd like to think I've been inside many a song. Oh, that's right. I've been in them. God, have I ever.

[kearn1tm]

Favourite
David Eugene Edwards
Tom Waits
Lou Reed
Neil Young
Leonard Cohen

I like Cohen and Young enough, but the other three are gods among men.

[oddwithoutend]

I like Cohen and Young enough, but the other three are gods among men.

Why do you hate Canadians so much? :-)

[Tautou107]

;58082131']Mine would be:
Andy Hull
Conor Oberst
Jesse Lacey
Jeff Mangum

I tend to place those four above others. There's about 5/6 more, but they're not interchangeable with these guys. Discluding Lennon/McCartney.
Yeah, mine weren't really in any order (I'd probably rank Hull higher). Jeff Mangum is definitely up there as well.

[oddwithoutend]

Phil Elverum has a higher count in this thread than Jeff Mangum. Fuck yes.

[maxvsmaradona]

My fave five:
Jesse Lacey <333
Justin Pierre
Ahmir ?uestlove Thompson
Anthony Raneri
Myself

Least fave five:
Travis Barker
Taylor Swift
Green Day
The Beatles
myself

[swt_catastrophe]

Favorite:

Thom Yorke
Teppei Teranishi
Kevin Devine
Anthony Green
Conor Oberst

Perfect list.

I'd have to say (other than Jesse)
Ben Gibbard
Anthony Green
Dustin Kensrue
Justin Vernon
TeppeiTeranishi

[geebee889]

My favorites are...

Chris Carrabba
Brandon Boyd
Jack Antonoff
Dallas Green
Justin Richards

[oddwithoutend]

Actually, I really like John Samson, too. He's rad.

[pleasedontask]

Andrew McMahon
Max Bemis
Conor Oberst
Ben Gibbard
Mark Hoppus

[k1guitar]

OK:
dustin kensrue
Buddy nelson
Greg puciato
jesse lacey
anthony ranerri

[Illadelphia]

Will Swan
Jesse Lacey
Murs
Kanye West (yeah he's a douche, but he keeps things interesting)
Tim Ward
Have to include Max Bemis

[cowlord]

Favorites: Mark Hoppus, Fat Mike, Rivers Cuomo, Zach De La Rocha, Jeff Rosenstock

Least Favorites: Pete Wentz... Pete Wentz

[schenksta]

Favorite

1. Andrew McMahon
2. Anthony Raneri
3. Nate Ruess
4. Claudio Sanchez
5. Keith Buckley

Least Favorite:

1-4. Brokencyde
5. Jeffree Star

[antimatter]

favorites
chris conley
kevin devine
nic newsham
dave knudson(minus the bear's guitarist)
max bemis

edit: f you guys for no nic or chris so far.

[justlikehoney]

Geoff Rickly
Jacob Bannon
Dustin Kensrue
Dave Grohl
Johnny Marr

[swim4themusic12]

Andrew Mcmahon!!!

[voncorn]

Trent Reznor

[Charles777]

Favorite:
Anthony Green
Matt Rubano
Max Bemis
Patrick Stump
Nate Ruess

There are too many people that I hate, so I'll leave that out.

[raukura]

Favourite:

Jason Vena
John Mayer
Nathan Young (Drummer for anberlin)
Andrew Mcmahon
Dr. Dre

[:-)]

Least favorite:

Se7en
Mikl
Phat J
Antz
Jeffree Star

[drawndead]

at the moment in no order

favorite:
brian bonz
andrew mcmahon
kevin devine
scott & seth avett
john mayer

least favorite:
gabe saporta
martin from BLG
owl city
green day 2004-present

[WARPEDorlando09]

Top 5:
Alex Gaskarth
Gerard Way
Tom DeLonge
Andrew McMahon
Andrew James VanWyngarden

I also like:
Kyle Burns
Austin Bello
Craig Owens (chiodos wont be the same)

Least 5:
Jeffree Star
Melissa Green
Allison Green
Dani Artaud
Ben Gibbard (everyone is going to hate me for saying that)

I also dislike:
Soulja Boy
Gucci Mane

[Alex_supertramp]

Fav:

Butch Walker
Max Bemis
Chad Gilbert
The Cool Kids (Mikey Rocks and Chuck Inglish)
Bryce Avary

[iheartmusic043]

Favorite Current/overall:
John Lennon (no explanation needed
Max Bemis (pure genius mixed with a pinch of insanity)
Andrew McMahon (SoCo and Jack's are two of my absolute favorite bands)
Chris De Cinque (adore his vocal acrobatics)
Shawn Harris (I really miss the Matches :[ )
Lady Gaga (i love how fearless and talented she is)
Taylor Swift (she gives hope to all the "girls next door" in America)
Jay Sean (such a great voice)

Least Favorite:
The Millionaires/Brokencyde (they degrade women sooo badly)
Jeffree Star (ugh just look at him and you can just guess how terrible his music is)
Kanye West (see narcissist)
Shakira (she wolf is catchy but disgusting)
Lil Wayne (so overexposed)

[SpyKi]

Top 5
Gerard Way
Charlie Simpson
Morrissey
Eminem
Max Bemis

Hard, I kept it as one person from each band. I don't really have a strong enough dislike for anyone to put them in a least favourite list.

[Chrisj182]

Favourite:

Tom Delonge
Ian Curtis
Mark Hoppus
Travis Barker
Chad Gilbert

Least Favourite:

Billie-Joe Armstrong
Jefree Star
Oli Sykes
Any member of Brokencyde
Owl City

[owiseone35]

Chris Conley
Ryan O'Neal
Kevin Devine
Ben Nichols
Jeff Tweedy

[IntoTheSun]

The Rock
guy from Slayer
the other guys from Slayer
not Ryan
Jesus and God and baby Jesus

No love for mary?

[PaperLantern]

Favorite:

Billie Joe Armstrong
Patrick Stump
Matt Theissen
Brad Delp
Shane Henderson

[kearn1tm]

Why do you hate Canadians so much? :-)

I'm in America now! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT THESE COLORS DO NOT RUN.

[kearn1tm]

No love for mary?

What did she sing?

[wendjiqn]

favorites:

Anthony Green
Chris Simpson
Ace Enders
Ben Gibbard
John Gourley

[kearn1tm]

Top Five Favorite People Who Possibly Listen to Music:
the Batman never sleeps
You judging me dog? Please, you shop at the mall. Me, I shop at boutiques. Limited quantity sneaks. Where do these quantities be? Maybe dey all on my feet.
The Rock Obama doesn't have time to listen to muzak!
Women don't care about music because they're too busy making babies and over-populating everything and doing their hair and securing nice little gender roles for themselves because Twilight said so.
Poot McToot IV

[deFobbed14yrs]

perry farrell
trent reznor
chester bennington
john mayer- he's so funny in concert
stephen jenkins- surprisingly weird/fun on stage

[LamarVannoy]

Dave Grohl
Fat Mike
Anthony Raneri
Brody Dalle
Greg Attonito

The only name that came to mind for least favourite is Pete Wentz.

[AntsInMyPants92]

nick torres
john nolan
ben gibbard
anthony green
jesse lacey (no extra point for me)

[SophGod]

Geoff Rickly
Anthony Raeneri
Jim Adkins
Dustin Kresnue
Matt Embree

there's my top 5 with no jesse lacey.... bottom 5 would be too easy.

[A7XXX]

Nate Ruess
Andy Hull
Dustin Kensrue
Casey Crescenzo
Matt Thiessen

Least: Miley Cyrus and Brokencyde members

[batlhazare]

That I hate:

Justin Bieber
Fergie

[ThisIsNotDan]

Trent Reznor
Stephen Brodsky
Kirk Huffman
Keith Buckley
Daryl Palumbo

[Ari Christos]

Favorite Current/overall:
John Lennon (no explanation needed
Max Bemis (pure genius mixed with a pinch of insanity)
Andrew McMahon (SoCo and Jack's are two of my absolute favorite bands)
Chris De Cinque (adore his vocal acrobatics)
Shawn Harris (I really miss the Matches :[ )
Lady Gaga (i love how fearless and talented she is)
Taylor Swift (she gives hope to all the "girls next door" in America)
Jay Sean (such a great voice)

Least Favorite:
The Millionaires/Brokencyde (they degrade women sooo badly)
Jeffree Star (ugh just look at him and you can just guess how terrible his music is)
Kanye West (see narcissist)
Shakira (she wolf is catchy but disgusting)
Lil Wayne (so overexposed)

lol wut

[IntoTheSun]

What did she sing?

Well what does God sing?

Top Five Favorite People Who Possibly Listen to Music:

the Batman never sleeps
You judging me dog? Please, you shop at the mall. Me, I shop at boutiques. Limited quantity sneaks. Where do these quantities be? Maybe dey all on my feet.
The Rock Obama doesn't have time to listen to muzak!
Women don't care about music because they're too busy making babies and over-populating everything and doing their hair and securing nice little gender roles for themselves because Twilight said so.
Poot McToot IV

Moot point.

[IntoTheSun]

lol wut

I can understand the Kanye West one though haha.

[Brokenhill]

Favorites:

Richard Wright
Roger Waters
David Gilmour
Nick Mason
Syd Barrett
Geoff Rickly

Least Favorites:

Shaggy2Dope
Violent J
Johnny Rotten

[mike_aaron]

3. roger manginelli (bass, less than jake) - any bass player looking to find something more challenging to play than blink or green day should check out their back catalogue. his bass lines are one of many great reasons to get into the band




YES.




1. Patrick Stump
2. Max Bemis
3. Mark Hoppus
4. Andrew McMahon
5. This guy:
http://www.florencephotos.com/public/crazyfunmanflorence.jpg

[tommyishere]

Tom Delonge
Mark Hoppus
Alex Gaskarth
Ben Gibbard
Tim McIlrath
and...i have to say Lady Gaga just because of how different she is

[iheartmusic043]

lol wut
Kanye West is the poster child for narcissism, I love Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift is legitimately talented (writes and sings all her songs), Jay Sean is pretty good compared to most rnb singers these days , and Max Bemis is a god. Deal with it :]

[sleepyseanzzz]

if i could go back in time before anybody quoted me i would include dave grohl, sorry i forgot about you dave. i just heard wheels for the first time and i think its just dandy.

[kearn1tm]

Well what does God sing?

Blank Generation. Look it up.



Moot point.

How so?

[xidreamofyou32x]

Andrew McMahon
Ben Gibbard
Conor Oberst
Chris Carrabba
Dallas Green

[Mandee, darling]

likes:
brandon boyd
brian aubert
claudio sanchez
matt schultz
andy hull

i can't really think of any i don't like atm.

[IntoTheSun]

Blank Generation. Look it up.





How so?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_Generation_(album) ?

You're a couple of generations behind on that assessment haha.

[HometownHero]

Favorites:
Jesse Lacey
Tom Delonge
Mark Hoppus
Kenny Vasoli
John Ohh
Bryce Avary
Leighton Adelman
Mindy White

[Theseventhson]

Thurston Moore
David Byrne
Ian Mackaye
Jeff Magnum
Bob Dylan


EDIT: I'd like to add Brian Eno to my list.

[briewer]

Top 5:
Dave Longstreth
Joanna Newsom
Dan Bejar
Phil Elverum
Noah Lennox

Bottom 5:
Some conglomeration of everyone else's lists, because WOOF, you guys. Your favorites are the worst favorites.

[briewer]

Blank Generation. Look it up.
I can dig it.

[IntoTheSun]

Top 5:
Dave Longstreth
Joanna Newsom
Dan Bejar
Phil Elverum
Noah Lennox

Bottom 5:
Some conglomeration of everyone else's lists, because WOOF, you guys. Your favorites are the worst favorites.

Orly M-(

I think I know what you are going to say already...

[Theseventhson]

Some conglomeration of everyone else's lists, because WOOF, you guys. Your favorites are the worst favorites.
My favorites are way cooler than your favorites.

[briewer]

Orly M-(

I think I know what you are going to say already...
Okay, everyone's lists except yours, Todd's, and Rick's. I mean come on, someone listed Brandon Boyd. Barf city.

[briewer]

My favorites are way cooler than your favorites.
If someone asked me to guess your five favorite people in music, I probably would have guessed four out of those five. You're too predictable.

[IntoTheSun]

Okay, everyone's lists except yours

Wait...really? -___-

For some reason I don't quite believe you

Todd's
The Rock
guy from Slayer
the other guys from Slayer
not Ryan
Jesus and God and baby Jesus
...yes, that makes total sense :lol:
and Rick's. I mean come on, someone listed Brandon Boyd. Barf city.
I'm guess I'm glad that I have no idea who you're talking about then.

[Theseventhson]

I'm guess I'm glad that I have no idea who you're talking about then.
He's the singer from Incubus.

[Genuma]

Bruce Springsteen
Wayne Coyne
Mikey Erg
Jay-Z
Jeff Tweedy

[xJesusFreakx]

Top Five Favorite People Who Possibly Listen to Music:
the Batman never sleeps

Spider-Man > Batman.

Okay, everyone's lists except yours, Todd's, and Rick's. I mean come on, someone listed Brandon Boyd. Barf city.

I feel so unloved.

[briewer]

Wait...really? -___-

For some reason I don't quite believe you
Dead serious. Besides Lacey and Doherty, I like and respect everyone else on your lists.

...yes, that makes total sense :lol:
Well seeing as I am as desperate for his love and affection as Ryan is, I need to list him to gain some brownie points.

But seriously, chances are whoever Todd likes most in music I like too. And not just because he likes them.

I'm guess I'm glad that I have no idea who you're talking about then.
He's that d-bag from Incubus.

[briewer]

I feel so unloved.
Oops, I didn't even see you posted.

[Theseventhson]

Bruce Springsteen
Wayne Coyne
Mikey Erg
Jay-Z
Jeff Tweedy
Damn, I completely forgot Wayne Coyne when I was making mine.

[IntoTheSun]

Spider-Man > Batman.

PeT1t0lQn5Q

Point taken :-d

I feel so unloved.

Matt Berninger is awesome.

[briewer]

Damn, I completely forgot Wayne Coyne when I was making mine.
Nice usertitle haha.

[SouthernCross40]

Blank Generation. Look it up.


Did you just make a Richard Hell/Voidoids reference??? You just won all of my points for the day. I only know about him because my doctor is freaking awesome.

[IntoTheSun]

Dead serious. Besides Lacey and Doherty, I like and respect everyone else on your lists.

Oh now you're SO asking for it hahaha. If we were on a different website, it wouldn't even matter. He's a popular one here indeed.

Well seeing as I am as desperate for his love and affection as Ryan is, I need to list him to gain some brownie points.

But seriously, chances are whoever Todd likes most in music I like too. And not just because he likes them.

I see we're on the same boat. I guess this means you're competition... no wonder why I dislike you :-p

He's that d-bag from Incubus

I've never listened to Incubus either! Whoo, I'm on a roll.

[Genuma]

Damn, I completely forgot Wayne Coyne when I was making mine.
I based mine more on modern influence, and Wayne Coyne is definitely up there.

[FullCollaspe]

My favorite five are

Tim Kasher
Isaac Brock
Jeremy Enigk
Matt Embree
Geoff Ricly

[xJesusFreakx]

Oops, I didn't even see you posted.

Yeah. I did. Thanks.

PeT1t0lQn5Q

Point taken :-d

lol... I do actually like Batman a lot, but Spider-Man is gnarly.

Matt Berninger is awesome.

Amen.

[briewer]

Oh now you're SO asking for it hahaha. If we were on a different website, it wouldn't even matter. He's a popular one here indeed.
Yeah, I say that knowing my neck is on the line for it.

I see we're on the same boat. I guess this means you're competition... no wonder why I dislike you :-p
Then I suggest you don't look at my signature...

I've never listened to Incubus either! Whoo, I'm on a roll.
You're one of the lucky ones.

Yeah. I did. Thanks.
I'm in the doghouse now...

[.:.Aesthetic.:.]

Whoo. I'll probably be dis-liked for my choices. Oh well.

Favorites-
Gerard Way
Ray Toro
Bill Kaulitz
Hayley Williams
Lacey Mosley

Least Favorite:
Kanye West
Eminem
Lady Gaga
H.I.M (the entire band.)
.... pretty much any and everyone who think they're goregous and/or amazing.

[Theseventhson]

.... pretty much any and everyone who think they're goregous and/or amazing.
So...you hate every musician ever?

[xJesusFreakx]

I'm in the doghouse now...

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/65/Adele_-_Cold_Shoulder.jpg

[IntoTheSun]

Yeah, I say that knowing my neck is on the line for it.


Then I suggest you don't look at my signature...

I suggest you go post that in the Brand New thread. You'll be very well loved there.

Haha, it's a trap! I'm not jealous because you've been here for almost two years and I've been here for almost two months. And plus, I have a little credit, too. Just not quite that haha :)

[Ari Christos]

Kanye West is the poster child for narcissism, I love Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift is legitimately talented (writes and sings all her songs), Jay Sean is pretty good compared to most rnb singers these days , and Max Bemis is a god. Deal with it :]

Lady Gaga is a gimmick. She's the Marilyn Manson of pop-music - everything she does is for shock value. She doesn't make interesting music. It's heavy synth beats and sex puns.
Taylor Swift writes and sings her own music which makes her "legitimately talented." By that logic, Millionaires would be "legitimately talented."
Jay Sean is not talented compared to other R&B singers these days. His lead single features him heavily relying on auto-tune. Original!
Max Bemis is not a god. In Defense was oversaturated with guest appearances and the self-titled was average. You deal with it.

Oh and Kanye West is more talented than nearly all the other artists you mentioned. Just sayin'.

[IntoTheSun]

.... pretty much any and everyone who think they're goregous and/or amazing.

:eyebrow:

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/65/Adele_-_Cold_Shoulder.jpg

Someone likes to hold grudges haha.

[Momo32T]

Favorites (no order):
Dustin Kensrue (Has very successfully in my opinion, managed to have a great evolving band and a successful solo career)
Matt Nathanson (He has done a lot of work fighting for independent singer/songwriters)
Mark Hoppus (Not the biggest blink fan, but appreciate his constant production work with younger bands)
John Mayer (Although weird and pretentious at times, happy that he keeps the influence of guitar legends alive and well)
Cove Reber (This one I may get shit on for. Despite all the crap he takes for not being AG and that In Search of Solid Ground was a lackluster follow-up, he is still a good sport about it. Good to his fans, very open. Even if he isnt the best vocalist, just a good hearted guy to have in music)

[xJesusFreakx]

So...you hate every musician ever?

Besides Aaron Weiss.

Lady Gaga is a gimmick. She's the Marilyn Manson of pop-music - everything she does is for shock value. She doesn't make interesting music. It's heavy synth beats and sex puns.

"Interesting music" is relative. Also, most artists with any sort of personality can be considered "gimmicks." I'm not a big fan myself, but she has a great singing voice and knows how to write a catchy pop jam. Also, she's a pop artist. Of course she's going to be over-the-top. She's just more creative and generally better at it than some people.

Taylor Swift writes and sings her own music which makes her "legitimately talented." By that logic, Millionaires would be "legitimately talented."

Don't mess with my girl Taylor.

Jay Sean is not talented compared to other R&B singers these days. His lead single features him heavily relying on auto-tune. Original!
Max Bemis is not a god. In Defense was oversaturated with guest appearances and the self-titled was average. You deal with it.

Not familiar with Jay, so no comment. I can't stand Max and find him to be overrated, but to each his own.

Oh and Kanye West is more talented than nearly all the other artists you mentioned. Just sayin'.

Kanye is pretty sick.

[kearn1tm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_Generation_(album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_Generation_%28album)) ?

Yes. God. You're welcome.

You're a couple of generations behind on that assessment haha.

Um, I'd like a sandwich. You're obligated to procure me one. It's the laws of social hierarchy. I'm a white male and all. Thanks.

[Tautou107]

Lady Gaga is a gimmick. She's the Marilyn Manson of pop-music - everything she does is for shock value. She doesn't make interesting music. It's heavy synth beats and sex puns.
Taylor Swift writes and sings her own music which makes her "legitimately talented." By that logic, Millionaires would be "legitimately talented."
Jay Sean is not talented compared to other R&B singers these days. His lead single features him heavily relying on auto-tune. Original!
Max Bemis is not a god. In Defense was oversaturated with guest appearances and the self-titled was average. You deal with it.

Oh and Kanye West is more talented than nearly all the other artists you mentioned. Just sayin'.
All of this.

[iheartmusic043]

Lady Gaga is a gimmick. She's the Marilyn Manson of pop-music - everything she does is for shock value. She doesn't make interesting music. It's heavy synth beats and sex puns.
Taylor Swift writes and sings her own music which makes her "legitimately talented." By that logic, Millionaires would be "legitimately talented."
Jay Sean is not talented compared to other R&B singers these days. His lead single features him heavily relying on auto-tune. Original!
Max Bemis is not a god. In Defense was oversaturated with guest appearances and the self-titled was average. You deal with it.

Oh and Kanye West is more talented than nearly all the other artists you mentioned. Just sayin'.

Have you ever hear Lady gaga sing with just her and a piano? That girl has some pipes as well as Jay Sean (I think you're thinking of Jason Derulo). Also, Taylor swift can write legitimately good pop songs and make money without being scantily clad. And Max Bemis is crazy talented and In defense is one of my least favorite sa albums :]

[Theseventhson]

Have you ever hear Lady gaga sing with just her and a piano? That girl has some pipes as well as Jay Sean (I think you're thinking of Jason Derulo). Also, Taylor swift can write legitimately good pop songs and make money without being scantily clad. And Max Bemis is crazy talented and In defense is one of my least favorite sa albums :]
Your defense = I like them, so that makes them good musicians.

[IntoTheSun]

Yes. God. You're welcome.



Um, I'd like a sandwich. You're obligated to procure me one. It's the laws of social hierarchy. I'm a white male and all. Thanks.

Well, I curse him then, because of this: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=104786470334 and I can't get it out of my head :(

Um, I'm too busy birthing babies in an overpopulated third world country. Gosh Todd, all you white males are the same.

[iheartmusic043]

Your defense = I like them, so that makes them good musicians.

Not really. I like the maine and hey monday but they are by no means good musicians

[Ari Christos]

Besides Aaron Weiss.



"Interesting music" is relative. Also, most artists with any sort of personality can be considered "gimmicks." I'm not a big fan myself, but she has a great singing voice and knows how to write a catchy pop jam. Also, she's a pop artist. Of course she's going to be over-the-top. She's just more creative and generally better at it than some people.



Don't mess with my girl Taylor.



Not familiar with Jay, so no comment. I can't stand Max and find him to be overrated, but to each his own.



Kanye is pretty sick.

I don't know dude, I feel like Lady Gaga is just weird for the sake of weird. Like she's just trying to outdo herself every time for no real reason, just to be talked about.

Haha I'm not knocking Taylor, just going by what logic was given to me.

Glad we can agree on Kanye though. Been listening to The College Dropout a lot lately. Maybe my favorite hip hop record of all time.

[kearn1tm]

I can dig it.

You damn-well better. That album is brilliant.

Okay, everyone's lists except yours, Todd's, and Rick's. I mean come on, someone listed Brandon Boyd. Barf city.

Naturally.





...yes, that makes total sense :lol:


It does. About that sandwich...

No guys, it's cool. I can say that because I'm black...or gay...or on fire. One of those things.

Spider-Man > Batman.


RANT!!!

So among my affinity for pro wrestling, I adore comics. I'm a jack of all dorkly trades. I wrote a high school thesis paper on the psychological afflictions of Bruce Wayne that lead to a scholarship covering almost all of my first year in college.

For a very, very brief look at why Batman's such an interesting character, you have to realize that he suffers from a very interesting and unorthodox strain of Post Tramatic Stress Disorder. Young Bruce witnessed his parents murdered in front of his eyes, right? So, when a child is done harm, their immediate, undeveloped and partially-socialized response is a more instinctual desire for revenge. When a bully punches you in third grade, you want to punch him back (if afraid, you want something bad done to him). If someone pushes you down, you want to reciprocate. You don't take into account the social forces that molded this kid into an aggressive twat. You don't necessarily want to turn the other cheek. Now let's extrapolate that, blow it up, and turn it up a billion degrees. If you're ten, and someone kills your parents, you want to destroy and harm and cripple and break and maim what did something so awful to you.

Bruce Wayne is partially trapped in a perpetual state of childhood. If a billionaire philanthropist/CEO were to loose his parents to criminals in a violent robbery as an adult, chances are, they'd use their wealth/influence to implement a much more stringent criminal policy by lobbing the DA to do crack down on crime, contributing to local law enforcement and helping fund them/donate, giving speeches/awareness, setting up educational trust funds in his parents name to try and bring education to empoverishes, crime-ridden areas of Gotham (such as Crime Alley, the worst sector of the city, and the place of which his parents were killed), etc. However, Bruce is trapped in a juvenile need for vengeance, and taking that vengeance straight to the criminal element that he sees as killing his parents, not attacking the social forces that create them.

So this continually scarred kid becomes a teen becomes a young adult, and following high school begins to travel the world, training his mind and body to the peak of human perfection, learning various worldly forms of martial arts and combat, becoming a master criminologist/behavioralist, a skilled detective, a master of disguise, an unrivaled escape artist, a chemist and an inventor (his gadgets in the comics aren't made by Lucious Fox [who was actually Bruce's business advisor and ran the overseeing of the company for him in the comics, contrary to the popular Christopher Nolan flicks in which Fox is the chief inventor/R&D guy]). He obsessively dedicated the ages of 18 to approximately 25-27 (depending on pre-Crisis/post-Crisis/OYL DC continuity) molding himself into the perfect human specimen in both mind and body to destroy crime.

In all this time, he never once was able to evolve and heal mentally and spiritually. He still hates. He has a hatred not just of the thug (Joe Chill) who killed his family, but as a child does, he generalizes all crime in Gotham as the slayer (SLAYER FUCK YEAH) of his parents, and never once is he able to narrow his focus, or to allow himself to forgive and try to put this behind him. He develops obsessive compulsive disorder (an anxiety disorder than can spawn from PTSD), along with a mild multiple personality disorder. Bruce, after returning from his worldly travels to wage an unending war against crime in Gotham has a botched night out in which he tries out what he's learned to take out small street toughs. He fails, because no one is afraid of him. Bleeding and badly beaten, he sits in his mansion following the night pondering how to make the criminals (a cowardly and superstitious lot) fear him. A wounded bat, whose sonar is failing him, crashes through the window of his study, as it made its way from the underground cavern below his house. This inspires him. "A Bat is a monsterous creature," and he creates an identity from it.

Now only the aethestic of the bat, but Batman idenitfies himself as the obsessive, paranoid (he spends far too much time creating counters/plans/strategies against virtually everything, from his fellow superheroes ever going rogue to various other things, leading to the inside joke among comic fans of "Batman can beat anyone with enough prep time.") loner, apathetic to most human interaction, unable to trust and fall in love or carry on most basic human relationships (Batman has few "actual" friends. He even keeps the various Robins and Alfred at bay. Ultimately, his only true friend is Superman, based solely on their mutual respect and the fact that he admires his seemingly-naive good nature and faith in humanity).

Essentially, Batman is a walking mess of neurosis. He doesn't consider "Bruce Wayne" anything but a mask used to deflect suspicion and continue the WayneTech company that finances his unending war on crime. He doesn't ever forsee an end to this fight against Gotham's "taint" because you can't entirely kill a concept ("crime" in this instance). He's very close to insanity, but has a very meticulous and self-imposed sense of restraint and dicipline that maintains his crazy endeavor.

He's so fucking dense and layered and multi-dimensional. Batman isn't a superhero. He's a crazed vigilante, a detective so brilliant, an inventor so smart, a futurist so prepared that he's almost always beaten Superman in scrimishes. He's taken down the entire Cosmos in a massive DC Comics crossover event. He's claims to be a man of science (and finds the rampant magic around the DCUniverse to be, as he puts it, simply another form of science to be studied, with rules and formulas of their own [which he has figured out too...because he's fucking Batman]), yet he has an irrational fear of/refuses to use firearmes because they were to tool used to murder his parents (as well as finding them a weak, unskilled and undisciplined form of combat, as opposed to martial arts which takes a mastery to incompacitate someone).

NOW SPIDER-MAN is much more relatable on a surface level. He's a continually down-on-his-luck loser with a brilliant mind for science, but in every other facet of his life, he's like the aveage reader - he's decent looking, but not handsome, he's always out of money, he's constantly juggling a poor job [freelance photographer for the Daily Buggle where he's abused and ridden by an awful tyrant Editor-in-Chief, so a shitty boss is also relatable] with the responsibilities of school and crime-fighting (an added pressure) and he's hated by the media/press and not glorified/admired/turned into a celebrity like most superheores. Spidey is the embodiment of the everyman. He also has a quirkly sense of humor and constantly throws the one-liners at villians out of nerviousness.

You can latch on to Spidey. Batman, to really understand him, needs an investment, but Batman is so much more rich and interesting, at least to me. He's a walking meltdown. He's a mass of neuroses. He's not much different from the batshit (no pun intended) insane freaks he locks up daily. I adore him. That, and Batman would destroy the shit out of spidey. Sure, Spider-Man can bench-press two tons (as of the Marvel Handbook 2004 edition) and has the proportional strengh-speed-agility of an enlarged spider, but Batman is, well, brilliant. He'd literally destroy and counter every one of Peter's attacks because he's a master strategist. Peter's strong, he's fast, he's superhumanly agile and could break Bruce in two, but he isn't a skilled fighter or strategist. Batman would scout him and take him down with ease. Mostly with a minor concussive grenade to stun him, then a well-placed set of nerve strikes to render him temperarily paralized long enough to entrap him in an electrical body-net, neutralizing him until containment.


Well seeing as I am as desperate for his love and affection as Ryan is, I need to list him to gain some brownie points.

But seriously, chances are whoever Todd likes most in music I like too. And not just because he likes them.


He's that d-bag from Incubus.

Reign in Blood?

[kearn1tm]

Well, I curse him then, because of this: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=104786470334 and I can't get it out of my head :(

I've been studying all day and I don't want to read too much exterior stuff because I'm fried, so cliffnotes of this and how it relates to Richard Hell and the Voidoids would be appreciated. Otherwise, uh, WOMP WOMP.

Um, I'm too busy birthing babies in an overpopulated third world country. Gosh Todd, all you white males are the same.

I'm not white, I'm Canadian-American you baby factory!

[oddwithoutend]

RANT!!!

So among my affinity for pro wrestling, I adore comics. I'm a jack of all dorkly trades. I wrote a high school thesis paper on the psychological afflictions of Bruce Wayne that lead to a scholarship covering almost all of my first year in college.

For a very, very brief look at why Batman's such an interesting character, you have to realize that he suffers from a very interesting and unorthodox strain of Post Tramatic Stress Disorder. Young Bruce witnessed his parents murdered in front of his eyes, right? So, when a child is done harm, their immediate, undeveloped and partially-socialized response is a more instinctual desire for revenge. When a bully punches you in third grade, you want to punch him back (if afraid, you want something bad done to him). If someone pushes you down, you want to reciprocate. You don't take into account the social forces that molded this kid into an aggressive twat. You don't necessarily want to turn the other cheek. Now let's extrapolate that, blow it up, and turn it up a billion degrees. If you're ten, and someone kills your parents, you want to destroy and harm and cripple and break and maim what did something so awful to you.

Bruce Wayne is partially trapped in a perpetual state of childhood. If a billionaire philanthropist/CEO were to loose his parents to criminals in a violent robbery as an adult, chances are, they'd use their wealth/influence to implement a much more stringent criminal policy by lobbing the DA to do crack down on crime, contributing to local law enforcement and helping fund them/donate, giving speeches/awareness, setting up educational trust funds in his parents name to try and bring education to empoverishes, crime-ridden areas of Gotham (such as Crime Alley, the worst sector of the city, and the place of which his parents were killed), etc. However, Bruce is trapped in a juvenile need for vengeance, and taking that vengeance straight to the criminal element that he sees as killing his parents, not attacking the social forces that create them.

So this continually scarred kid becomes a teen becomes a young adult, and following high school begins to travel the world, training his mind and body to the peak of human perfection, learning various worldly forms of martial arts and combat, becoming a master criminologist/behavioralist, a skilled detective, a master of disguise, an unrivaled escape artist, a chemist and an inventor (his gadgets in the comics aren't made by Lucious Fox [who was actually Bruce's business advisor and ran the overseeing of the company for him in the comics, contrary to the popular Christopher Nolan flicks in which Fox is the chief inventor/R&D guy]). He obsessively dedicated the ages of 18 to approximately 25-27 (depending on pre-Crisis/post-Crisis/OYL DC continuity) molding himself into the perfect human specimen in both mind and body to destroy crime.

In all this time, he never once was able to evolve and heal mentally and spiritually. He still hates. He has a hatred not just of the thug (Joe Chill) who killed his family, but as a child does, he generalizes all crime in Gotham as the slayer (SLAYER FUCK YEAH) of his parents, and never once is he able to narrow his focus, or to allow himself to forgive and try to put this behind him. He develops obsessive compulsive disorder (an anxiety disorder than can spawn from PTSD), along with a mild multiple personality disorder. Bruce, after returning from his worldly travels to wage an unending war against crime in Gotham has a botched night out in which he tries out what he's learned to take out small street toughs. He fails, because no one is afraid of him. Bleeding and badly beaten, he sits in his mansion following the night pondering how to make the criminals (a cowardly and superstitious lot) fear him. A wounded bat, whose sonar is failing him, crashes through the window of his study, as it made its way from the underground cavern below his house. This inspires him. "A Bat is a monsterous creature," and he creates an identity from it.

Now only the aethestic of the bat, but Batman idenitfies himself as the obsessive, paranoid (he spends far too much time creating counters/plans/strategies against virtually everything, from his fellow superheroes ever going rogue to various other things, leading to the inside joke among comic fans of "Batman can beat anyone with enough prep time.") loner, apathetic to most human interaction, unable to trust and fall in love or carry on most basic human relationships (Batman has few "actual" friends. He even keeps the various Robins and Alfred at bay. Ultimately, his only true friend is Superman, based solely on their mutual respect and the fact that he admires his seemingly-naive good nature and faith in humanity).

Essentially, Batman is a walking mess of neurosis. He doesn't consider "Bruce Wayne" anything but a mask used to deflect suspicion and continue the WayneTech company that finances his unending war on crime. He doesn't ever forsee an end to this fight against Gotham's "taint" because you can't entirely kill a concept ("crime" in this instance). He's very close to insanity, but has a very meticulous and self-imposed sense of restraint and dicipline that maintains his crazy endeavor.

He's so fucking dense and layered and multi-dimensional. Batman isn't a superhero. He's a crazed vigilante, a detective so brilliant, an inventor so smart, a futurist so prepared that he's almost always beaten Superman in scrimishes. He's taken down the entire Cosmos in a massive DC Comics crossover event. He's claims to be a man of science (and finds the rampant magic around the DCUniverse to be, as he puts it, simply another form of science to be studied, with rules and formulas of their own [which he has figured out too...because he's fucking Batman]), yet he has an irrational fear of/refuses to use firearmes because they were to tool used to murder his parents (as well as finding them a weak, unskilled and undisciplined form of combat, as opposed to martial arts which takes a mastery to incompacitate someone).

NOW SPIDER-MAN is much more relatable on a surface level. He's a continually down-on-his-luck loser with a brilliant mind for science, but in every other facet of his life, he's like the aveage reader - he's decent looking, but not handsome, he's always out of money, he's constantly juggling a poor job [freelance photographer for the Daily Buggle where he's abused and ridden by an awful tyrant Editor-in-Chief, so a shitty boss is also relatable] with the responsibilities of school and crime-fighting (an added pressure) and he's hated by the media/press and not glorified/admired/turned into a celebrity like most superheores. Spidey is the embodiment of the everyman. He also has a quirkly sense of humor and constantly throws the one-liners at villians out of nerviousness.

You can latch on to Spidey. Batman, to really understand him, needs an investment, but Batman is so much more rich and interesting, at least to me. He's a walking meltdown. He's a mass of neuroses. He's not much different from the batshit (no pun intended) insane freaks he locks up daily. I adore him. That, and Batman would destroy the shit out of spidey. Sure, Spider-Man can bench-press two tons (as of the Marvel Handbook 2004 edition) and has the proportional strengh-speed-agility of an enlarged spider, but Batman is, well, brilliant. He'd literally destroy and counter every one of Peter's attacks because he's a master strategist. Peter's strong, he's fast, he's superhumanly agile and could break Bruce in two, but he isn't a skilled fighter or strategist. Batman would scout him and take him down with ease. Mostly with a minor concussive grenade to stun him, then a well-placed set of nerve strikes to render him temperarily paralized long enough to entrap him in an electrical body-net, neutralizing him until containment.

haha What a great post.

[IntoTheSun]

Reign in Blood?

It may excite you to know that I was practicing in my symphony orchestra at an elementary school when I noticed on the wall in pencil an upside-down star with "slayer" written above, and next to it a weird star thing in a circle with "HIM" written above. It made me think of you.

RANT!!!

So among my affinity for pro wrestling, I adore comics. I'm a jack of all dorkly trades. I wrote a high school thesis paper on the psychological afflictions of Bruce Wayne that lead to a scholarship covering almost all of my first year in college.

For a very, very brief look at why Batman's such an interesting character, you have to realize that he suffers from a very interesting and unorthodox strain of Post Tramatic Stress Disorder. Young Bruce witnessed his parents murdered in front of his eyes, right? So, when a child is done harm, their immediate, undeveloped and partially-socialized response is a more instinctual desire for revenge. When a bully punches you in third grade, you want to punch him back (if afraid, you want something bad done to him). If someone pushes you down, you want to reciprocate. You don't take into account the social forces that molded this kid into an aggressive twat. You don't necessarily want to turn the other cheek. Now let's extrapolate that, blow it up, and turn it up a billion degrees. If you're ten, and someone kills your parents, you want to destroy and harm and cripple and break and maim what did something so awful to you.

Bruce Wayne is partially trapped in a perpetual state of childhood. If a billionaire philanthropist/CEO were to loose his parents to criminals in a violent robbery as an adult, chances are, they'd use their wealth/influence to implement a much more stringent criminal policy by lobbing the DA to do crack down on crime, contributing to local law enforcement and helping fund them/donate, giving speeches/awareness, setting up educational trust funds in his parents name to try and bring education to empoverishes, crime-ridden areas of Gotham (such as Crime Alley, the worst sector of the city, and the place of which his parents were killed), etc. However, Bruce is trapped in a juvenile need for vengeance, and taking that vengeance straight to the criminal element that he sees as killing his parents, not attacking the social forces that create them.

So this continually scarred kid becomes a teen becomes a young adult, and following high school begins to travel the world, training his mind and body to the peak of human perfection, learning various worldly forms of martial arts and combat, becoming a master criminologist/behavioralist, a skilled detective, a master of disguise, an unrivaled escape artist, a chemist and an inventor (his gadgets in the comics aren't made by Lucious Fox [who was actually Bruce's business advisor and ran the overseeing of the company for him in the comics, contrary to the popular Christopher Nolan flicks in which Fox is the chief inventor/R&D guy]). He obsessively dedicated the ages of 18 to approximately 25-27 (depending on pre-Crisis/post-Crisis/OYL DC continuity) molding himself into the perfect human specimen in both mind and body to destroy crime.

In all this time, he never once was able to evolve and heal mentally and spiritually. He still hates. He has a hatred not just of the thug (Joe Chill) who killed his family, but as a child does, he generalizes all crime in Gotham as the slayer (SLAYER FUCK YEAH) of his parents, and never once is he able to narrow his focus, or to allow himself to forgive and try to put this behind him. He develops obsessive compulsive disorder (an anxiety disorder than can spawn from PTSD), along with a mild multiple personality disorder. Bruce, after returning from his worldly travels to wage an unending war against crime in Gotham has a botched night out in which he tries out what he's learned to take out small street toughs. He fails, because no one is afraid of him. Bleeding and badly beaten, he sits in his mansion following the night pondering how to make the criminals (a cowardly and superstitious lot) fear him. A wounded bat, whose sonar is failing him, crashes through the window of his study, as it made its way from the underground cavern below his house. This inspires him. "A Bat is a monsterous creature," and he creates an identity from it.

Now only the aethestic of the bat, but Batman idenitfies himself as the obsessive, paranoid (he spends far too much time creating counters/plans/strategies against virtually everything, from his fellow superheroes ever going rogue to various other things, leading to the inside joke among comic fans of "Batman can beat anyone with enough prep time.") loner, apathetic to most human interaction, unable to trust and fall in love or carry on most basic human relationships (Batman has few "actual" friends. He even keeps the various Robins and Alfred at bay. Ultimately, his only true friend is Superman, based solely on their mutual respect and the fact that he admires his seemingly-naive good nature and faith in humanity).

Essentially, Batman is a walking mess of neurosis. He doesn't consider "Bruce Wayne" anything but a mask used to deflect suspicion and continue the WayneTech company that finances his unending war on crime. He doesn't ever forsee an end to this fight against Gotham's "taint" because you can't entirely kill a concept ("crime" in this instance). He's very close to insanity, but has a very meticulous and self-imposed sense of restraint and dicipline that maintains his crazy endeavor.

He's so fucking dense and layered and multi-dimensional. Batman isn't a superhero. He's a crazed vigilante, a detective so brilliant, an inventor so smart, a futurist so prepared that he's almost always beaten Superman in scrimishes. He's taken down the entire Cosmos in a massive DC Comics crossover event. He's claims to be a man of science (and finds the rampant magic around the DCUniverse to be, as he puts it, simply another form of science to be studied, with rules and formulas of their own [which he has figured out too...because he's fucking Batman]), yet he has an irrational fear of/refuses to use firearmes because they were to tool used to murder his parents (as well as finding them a weak, unskilled and undisciplined form of combat, as opposed to martial arts which takes a mastery to incompacitate someone).

NOW SPIDER-MAN is much more relatable on a surface level. He's a continually down-on-his-luck loser with a brilliant mind for science, but in every other facet of his life, he's like the aveage reader - he's decent looking, but not handsome, he's always out of money, he's constantly juggling a poor job [freelance photographer for the Daily Buggle where he's abused and ridden by an awful tyrant Editor-in-Chief, so a shitty boss is also relatable] with the responsibilities of school and crime-fighting (an added pressure) and he's hated by the media/press and not glorified/admired/turned into a celebrity like most superheores. Spidey is the embodiment of the everyman. He also has a quirkly sense of humor and constantly throws the one-liners at villians out of nerviousness.

You can latch on to Spidey. Batman, to really understand him, needs an investment, but Batman is so much more rich and interesting, at least to me. He's a walking meltdown. He's a mass of neuroses. He's not much different from the batshit (no pun intended) insane freaks he locks up daily. I adore him. That, and Batman would destroy the shit out of spidey. Sure, Spider-Man can bench-press two tons (as of the Marvel Handbook 2004 edition) and has the proportional strengh-speed-agility of an enlarged spider, but Batman is, well, brilliant. He'd literally destroy and counter every one of Peter's attacks because he's a master strategist. Peter's strong, he's fast, he's superhumanly agile and could break Bruce in two, but he isn't a skilled fighter or strategist. Batman would scout him and take him down with ease. Mostly with a minor concussive grenade to stun him, then a well-placed set of nerve strikes to render him temperarily paralized long enough to entrap him in an electrical body-net, neutralizing him until containment.

...holy fucking shit, please tell me this was copy&paste.

[IntoTheSun]

I've been studying all day and I don't want to read too much exterior stuff because I'm fried, so cliffnotes of this and how it relates to Richard Hell and the Voidoids would be appreciated. Otherwise, uh, WOMP WOMP.

It's related to god and why things like this in the world happen and how they happen. No cliffnotes for you because then I'll have to read it all over again and feel like tearing my hair out.

I'm not white, I'm Canadian-American you baby factory!

Doesn't that make you white?

And I'm Taiwanese-Chinese...half of you owes half of me a lot of money.

Canada brought us Simple Plan. I do not trust in Canada.

[TakeLotsWithAlcohol]

Geoff Rickly
Dan Andriano
Matt Pryor
Jordan (I don't know his last name. But, the lead singer from La Dispute)
Chuck Ragan

[kearn1tm]

It may excite you to know that I was practicing in my symphony orchestra at an elementary school when I noticed on the wall in pencil an upside-down star with "slayer" written above, and next to it a weird star thing in a circle with "HIM" written above. It made me think of you.

Symphony Orchestra? I was in Symphonic Band (first chair trombone). What do you play? Also, Slayer, rad. HIM, no. Find that kid who wrote that and beat them.


...holy fucking shit, please tell me this was copy&paste.

It took me about nine minutes to type.

[kearn1tm]

It's related to god and why things like this in the world happen and how they happen. No cliffnotes for you because then I'll have to read it all over again and feel like tearing my hair out.

Way to bring everyone down, dude! I just wanna party.



Doesn't that make you white?

Whiter than white.

And I'm Taiwanese-Chinese...half of you owes half of me a lot of money.

Quota hit! Oh snap!

Canada brought us Simple Plan. I do not trust in Canada.

Operation Iraqi Freedom

[IntoTheSun]

Symphony Orchestra? I was in Symphonic Band (first chair trombone). What do you play? Also, Slayer, rad. HIM, no. Find that kid who wrote that and beat them.

Oo, that's exciting. Most trombonists suck. Actually, same goes for us French horn players too, but at least we don't hit people's heads in front of us with trombone slides. Brass players rule. Hahaha, I knew you would say that...I still can't tell if you genuinely like Slayer or not. Maybe you do, I'm just uneducated about metal.

It took me about nine minutes to type.

Damn. Both you and Ryan need to write my college essays for me. Now.

[flks511]

Bottom 5:
Some conglomeration of everyone else's lists, because WOOF, you guys. Your favorites are the worst favorites.
Haha I saw your avatar and immediately predicted this post.

[xJesusFreakx]

Todd, that was an excellent read. Could you send me that thesis paper sometime? If you still have it, I'll PM you my email address.

I've had a soft spot for Spider-Man since I was young because he's a constant jokester, something I really relate with. I've been really happy and lighthearted since I was a baby; my mom tells me I used to laugh myself to sleep in my crib. (Awe...) Growing up, I've found myself relating to more and more of his character. I tend to love art I can personally relate to the most, so that's likely why he's still easily my favorite superhero. Batman is a solid second favorite, though.

Interestingly enough, both Peter and Bruce lost their parents at a young age, and I'm adopted and have no idea who my birth parents are. I've never thought about that before. I wonder if that's at all been a subconscious factor.

[inVINCEable1008]

Keith Buckley
Will Swan
Dallas Green
Dustin Kensrue
Stefon Alexander (P.O.S)

[oliviaemmer]

favorites:
Christofer Drew (yes I know I'm going to get shot for saying him)
Matt Thiessen (sp?)
Ben Folds
Will Pugh
Alex Gaskarth (probably more of the old him, i'm hoping the next album will be an improvement)
Patrick Stump

least favorites:
Lady Gaga
Fergie
Pete Wentz (he's ruining fob)

[alexa_ATL]

top 5
max bemis
mark hoppus
kenny vasoli
jesse lacey
gabe saporta - as much as his music currently sucks, he's actually a very intellgent and clever guy.

pretty much the standard AP-ers wet dream. i'm predictable.

[KingJohn_654]

Simple enough. Post your top five favorite people involved in music (extra points to people who don't say Jesse Lacey) followed by your least favorite. I'll get us started.....

Top 5 Favorites
Ace Enders
John Nolan
Billy Joe Armstrong
Daryl Palumbo
Brandon Reilly

Top 5 Least Favorites
Craig Mabbit
Tony Brummel
Gerard Way
Christofer Ingle
wiL Francis
i like you.

favorites:
John Nolan
Kevin Devine
Jesse Lacey
Brandon Reilly
Max D'Aulerio

[SophGod]

i like you.

favorites:
John Nolan
Kevin Devine
Jesse Lacey
Brandon Reilly
Max D'Aulerio

MAX IS THE FUCKING MAN.

Max D'Aulerio > Max Bemis

[IntoTheSun]

MAX IS THE FUCKING MAN.

Max D'Aulerio > Max Bemis

qft. BN thread represent. hahaha.

[KingJohn_654]

MAX IS THE FUCKING MAN.

Max D'Aulerio > Max Bemis

agreed.

oh and i forgot to put Daryl Palumbo on my list.

[kearn1tm]

Oo, that's exciting. Most trombonists suck. Actually, same goes for us French horn players too, but at least we don't hit people's heads in front of us with trombone slides. Brass players rule. Hahaha, I knew you would say that...I still can't tell if you genuinely like Slayer or not. Maybe you do, I'm just uneducated about metal.

Lower Brass will always have my heart. I started as a Baritone and transitioned to Trombone. I stopped playing in 11th grade (save for Jazz Band, which I adored) because I had my shitty pop punk band monopolizing most of my time and I looked much cooler playing a bass.

So french horn. Rad. Are you going to play after high school?

Oh, and yes, I genuinely like Slayer. I don't like things "ironically." That's lame.


Todd, that was an excellent read. Could you send me that thesis paper sometime? If you still have it, I'll PM you my email address.

It's on my old harddrive, but I bust it out periodically. I could grab it during Christmas Break if you really want to wade through twenty pages of me babbling about Batman.

I've had a soft spot for Spider-Man since I was young because he's a constant jokester, something I really relate with. I've been really happy and lighthearted since I was a baby; my mom tells me I used to laugh myself to sleep in my crib. (Awe...) Growing up, I've found myself relating to more and more of his character. I tend to love art I can personally relate to the most, so that's likely why he's still easily my favorite superhero. Batman is a solid second favorite, though.

Relatablility is a huge factor in many people's enjoyment of art. Spidey is truly the down-trodden and neurotic everyman who stumbled upon superpowers, yet his life didn't become exceptional as a result. Not only is he a jovial prankster, but he does so because of being nervous, which makes him even more sympathetic. I love Spidey. I really do.

However, I relate to Batman due to having PTSD and of the fucked up conditions he has. That and I just find him immensely intriguing. Here's a near-insane terrorist parading around as a superhero-esque figure. He's a man in the midst of gods and aliens and martians and ocean kings and yet, he still has teh brilliance to dismantle them all. It's truly the triumph of humanity, done through the most unsavory and frightening way. Batman once took the entirety of the universe, distilled into an massive walking mount of energy. Superman's solution was to hit it, like it always is. Only Batman had an actual strategy to dismantle it (because he'd seen an energy harvesting influx two years prior and was afraid what would happen if it was all consoladated by a maniac...yeah, that's what he does. He schemes).

Moreover, Batman is primarily a pastiche of noir, detective/crime and swashbuckling tales of daring rescues, many of the tropes of the '20s-'50s that I love. Spidey is definitely awesome though. I'll never forget Amazing Spider-Man #129 (I believe) in which, while trying to save a falling Gwen Stacy after Green Goblin threw her off the Brooklyn Bridge, Peter shot web fluid to her descending body to catch her, which inadvertently hit her back, causing her neck to snap. Peter killed her (though she would have died regardless from impact of the fall). That was 69 or 70. At that time, superheroes always won. The bad guy never dealt an emotionally crippling blow like that. Peter not only lost his girlfriend to the supervillian, but also aided in his death. It was such a subversive moment.

Interestingly enough, both Peter and Bruce lost their parents at a young age, and I'm adopted and have no idea who my birth parents are. I've never thought about that before. I wonder if that's at all been a subconscious factor.

Where's the love for Clark Kent then?

[KingJohn_654]

i love the superhero discussion more than the actual topic of this thread.
i identify with spider-man the most.

[IntoTheSun]

Lower Brass will always have my heart. I started as a Baritone and transitioned to Trombone. I stopped playing in 11th grade (save for Jazz Band, which I adored) because I had my shitty pop punk band monopolizing most of my time and I looked much cooler playing a bass.

So french horn. Rad. Are you going to play after high school?

Oh, and yes, I genuinely like Slayer. I don't like things "ironically." That's lame.

Hahaha, shitty pop punk band? Damn, maybe you aren't a hispter after all.

Maybezz...I haven't decided yet.

Oh, and superheroes kind of suck.

[KingJohn_654]

Oh, and superheroes kind of suck.

gtfo
why?

[kearn1tm]

Clearly, I know nothing about anything and I'm lame

Yes, I agree. So do superheroes.

[KingJohn_654]

I still watch superhero cartoons.

[kearn1tm]

i love the superhero discussion more than the actual topic of this thread.
i identify with spider-man the most.

For the record, Batman isn't really a superhero. He's a detective, a vigilante and a terrorist who just happens to be doing something people see as "socially beneficial." Hell, even the Gotham Police Department have many times attempted to shut him down. Once James Gordon retired as Commissioner and Michael Akins took over, he lead a county-wide manhunt for Batman for months. This man isn't a celebrity or a superhero. He's a creature of the night meant to inspire fear and terror.

[kearn1tm]

I still watch superhero cartoons.

I read superhero comics (among the many other genres of comics).

I haven't watched many cartoons though since Justice League Unlimited was canceled.

[KingJohn_654]

For the record, Batman isn't really a superhero. He's a detective, a vigilante and a terrorist who just happens to be doing something people see as "socially beneficial." Hell, even the Gotham Police Department have many times attempted to shut him down. Once James Gordon retired as Commissioner and Michael Akins took over, he lead a county-wide manhunt for Batman for months. This man isn't a celebrity or a superhero. He's a creature of the night meant to inspire fear and terror.

well spider-man isn't exactly loved either, bugle trashes him left and right.
and by superheroes, i meant comic book heroes. better?

[KingJohn_654]

I read superhero comics (among the many other genres of comics).

I haven't watched many cartoons though since Justice League Unlimited was canceled.

i need to get back into comics.
i love everything from Cable & Deadpool to Archie's Digest.

[Fullblast]

Dave Mackinder (Fireworks)
Colin Ross (Hit the Lights - TIASDMIAM era)
Jordan Pundik (NFG)
Corey Warning (The Graduate)
Steven Seagal (His music is fucking hilarious)

Least Favourite:
Miley Cyrus
Jonas Brothers x 3

[SophGod]

i posted my favorite. now to post my least favorite. and they aren't going to be obvious like miley cyrus and shit, they're gonna be people in the scene.

Max Bemis
Adam Lazzara
Craig Owens
Johnny Craig
can't think of a fifth....

[IntoTheSun]

gtfo
why?

Haha, mostly to get a reaction out of Todd. Jk haha. You told me to gtfo, therefore you get no explanation john.
Yes, I agree. So do superheroes.

Wow, I feel as well loved as Ryan now, this must be some sort of a major accomplishment. Superheroes are overrated and overhyped and just not really all that interesting outside the confines of their little two dimensional world. And the whole good vs. evil stigma about the whole thing just kind of bothers me. Yeah, blah blah I'm taking it too seriously, I'm no fun, I'm being too analytical. Got it.

[KingJohn_654]

i posted my favorite. now to post my least favorite. and they aren't going to be obvious like miley cyrus and shit, they're gonna be people in the scene.

Max Bemis
Adam Lazzara
Craig Owens
Johnny Craig
can't think of a fifth....

yoko ono?

[KingJohn_654]

Haha, mostly to get a reaction out of Todd. Jk haha. You told me to gtfo, therefore you get no explanation john.


Wow, I feel as well loved as Ryan now, this must be some sort of a major accomplishment. Superheroes are overrated and overhyped and just not really all that interesting outside the confines of their little two dimensional world. And the whole good vs. evil stigma about the whole thing just kind of bothers me. Yeah, blah blah I'm taking it too seriously, I'm no fun, I'm being too analytical. Got it.

overrated? do you know anybody that reads comics?

[SophGod]

yoko ono?

bjork? that works.

actually fuck that, yoko killed lennon. fuck that bitch.

[IntoTheSun]

For the record, Batman isn't really a superhero. He's a detective, a vigilante and a terrorist who just happens to be doing something people see as "socially beneficial." Hell, even the Gotham Police Department have many times attempted to shut him down. Once James Gordon retired as Commissioner and Michael Akins took over, he lead a county-wide manhunt for Batman for months. This man isn't a celebrity or a superhero. He's a creature of the night meant to inspire fear and terror.

Taken right from the ending of The Dark Knight, I see.

[IntoTheSun]

I have a feeling a majorly long paragraph of writing is stirring...

Don't kill me Todd.

[kearn1tm]

well spider-man isn't exactly loved either, bugle trashes him left and right.
and by superheroes, i meant comic book heroes. better?

I think the distinction here is that Spider-Man has superpowers and was, at one time, a member of the Avengers. However, one could argue that Batman's inclusion in the Justice League would, by proxy, make him a superhero.

However, the influences and progenitors of each character factor in to how I perceive them. Batman is an synthesis of pulp vigilantes like Zorro and Doc Savage, mixed with early noir and detective troupes (heavily inspired by Bob Kane's love of Sherlock Holmes). His early comic exploits and, arguably his best stories in recent years all emphasize those roots (Batman's best contemporary runs are probably by the likes of Greg Rucka or Ed Brubaker; guys who were inspired by the early Batman works when he was ruthlessly dispatching thugs/crime syndicates and dealing with mob-dymanics.

Spidey was created by Stan Lee for Marvel Comics in the '60s during a decade in which superheroes were quickly starting to become the dominant comic book genre following Fredric Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent and the Comic Book Code becoming a means of self-censorship. Spidey was always intended to be a superhero beat-em-up tale infused with teen romance.

[desiguerilla]

Favorite: Dallas Green, Keith Buckley, Daryl Palumbo, Dave Grohl, Aaron Gilepsie

Least Favorite: Jeffree Star, Buddy Nelson, the dudes in Brokencyde, AVA Tom Delonge (but I love Blink-182), Dave Matthews

[KingJohn_654]

I think the distinction here is that Spider-Man has superpowers and was, at one time, a member of the Avengers. However, one could argue that Batman's inclusion in the Justice League would, by proxy, make him a superhero.

However, the influences and progenitors of each character factor in to how I perceive them. Batman is an synthesis of pulp vigilantes like Zorro and Doc Savage, mixed with early noir and detective troupes (heavily inspired by Bob Kane's love of Sherlock Holmes). His early comic exploits and, arguably his best stories in recent years all emphasize those roots (Batman's best contemporary runs are probably by the likes of Greg Rucka or Ed Brubaker; guys who were inspired by the early Batman works when he was ruthlessly dispatching thugs/crime syndicates and dealing with mob-dymanics.

Spidey was created by Stan Lee for Marvel Comics in the '60s during a decade in which superheroes were quickly starting to become the dominant comic book genre following Fredric Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent and the Comic Book Code becoming a means of self-censorship. Spidey was always intended to be a superhero beat-em-up tale infused with teen romance.

hmmm. thats fascinating.
fact: i used to play heroclix

[kearn1tm]

Haha, mostly to get a reaction out of Todd. Jk haha. You told me to gtfo, therefore you get no explanation john.


Wow, I feel as well loved as Ryan now, this must be some sort of a major accomplishment. Superheroes are overrated and overhyped and just not really all that interesting outside the confines of their little two dimensional world. And the whole good vs. evil stigma about the whole thing just kind of bothers me. Yeah, blah blah I'm taking it too seriously, I'm no fun, I'm being too analytical. Got it.

Much like Ryan, I give everyone I talk to frequently on this board shit because I hate everyone and I hope humanity is wiped out by a plague that occurs when Oprah retires and the universe implodes on itself, leaving only me and the hottest dude in the world and we'll be happy.

Also, I think you don't know much about superheroes. It's much more than "good vs. evil" (and most writers adhere to the line of logic that storytelling of any medium falls into conveying a story in one of five ways, which is a very well-known and believed theory. In fact, name your favorite novel and.or movie of the last decade and chances are, it can be distilled down to [x] vs. [y], with the variable being either an event, person[s] or philosophy against another with one being portrayed as good and one bad). Their roots lie in Greek and Norse Mythology and have ties into various literary troupes and religions. I suspect you've seen some cartoons and movies and have immediately assumed you know of the genre. I'm not trying to be "that guy," but you truly don't, so to say they're "confined to a little two dimensional world" is a tad bit annoying. They're not your thing, cool, but there's much more complexity and greater themes than what you've described.

Watchmen (not the bastardized, simplified movie) is taught in many universities in contemporary lit classes. Supreme Power is discussed with other Deconstructionist works on the last century. Again, you've over-simplified something you don't understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Crisis_%28comics%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_%28comics%29

These are just but a few fantastic, complex and worldly superhero comics that deal with a magnitude of issues involving the human experience, centered around superhero protagonists.



Taken right from the ending of The Dark Knight, I see.

Yes, DC Comics and their cabal of writers in 1998 wrote Jim Gordon's retirement (which didn't happen in the film) and made Batman a vigilante once again (which was a prevalent storyline from the '40s-'50s before Batman was accepted by the GCPD and then again in the '70s) because they knew, in ten years, that piece of story would be featured in the movie and they wanted to beat 'em to the punch!

YOU SHOULD WRITE DA MOOOVEHS.

[heyguys123]

hmmm this is tough...

favorites:
brian fallon
chris farren (fake problems)
tony weinbender (no idea records/ fest organizer)
dicky barrett
greg attonito

least favorite:
pete wentz (as an aside though, although i rarely listen to them anymore, pat stump was very close to making my favorites)
gabe saporta
richard reins
michael rapino (livenation ceo)
tony brummel

[Vandelay]

Favorite:
Dustin Kensrue
Teppei Teranishi
Jimmy Stadt
Andy Hull
Brian Cook


Least Favorite:
Craig Owens

[dissident]

i'm assuming by the phrasing of "favorite people in music" that this is based more on personality and not really on musical merit?

favorite:
bruce springsteen
eddie vedder
dave matthews
dave grohl
keith buckley

least favorite:
toby keith
jimmy buffett
zac brown
chad kroeger
sully from godsmack

[Mibabalou]

geoff rickly

[quicksilv001]

Spencer Krug
Matt Berninger
Jacob Bannon
Nathan Ruess
Doug Martsch
Thom Yorke
Sufjan Stevens

[IntoTheSun]

Spencer Krug
Matt Berninger
Jacob Bannon
Nathan Ruess
Doug Martsch
Thom Yorke
Sufjan Stevens

Major YES to all of these.

[Spenny]

Favourite:
Dustin Kensrue
Patrick Stump
Thom Yorke
Lights
Claudio Sanchez

Least:
Anthony Raneri
Ronnie Radke
Chad Kroeger
Buddy Nielsen
Nic Newsham


This is mostly based on the actual person, not the music they create, considering I like Bayside, Senses Fail and Gatsby.

[anomaly519]

Favorite:

Ben Folds
Ken Vasoli
Ben Gibbard
Kevin Devine
Anthony Green
Ace Enders
Thom Yorke

[Auals]

Kevin Devine
Max Bemis
Jesse Lacey
Andy Hull
Thom Yorke/Ben Gibbard

Yes, I know it sounds like your average AP users wet dream but they really are.

[Deadbolt23]

Favourite:

Kevin Devine
Dustin Kensrue
Casey Crescenzo
Sufjan Stevens
Thomas Dutton

Imagine a dinner party with these five people. I can't even comprehend it.

[softhands]

dallas green
keith buckley
bryce avery
kenny vasoli
shad
matt thiessen

that's who came to mind first.

[wakted152]

favorite:
Casey Crescenzo
Matt Fazzi
Adam Lazzara
Craig Owens
John Nolan

Least Favorite:
Jonny Craig
Craig Mabbitt
the guys from brokencyde/bloodonthedancefloor
mike fuentes

[timb89]

Hahaha, I'm not ashamed to say Jesse Lacey.

Favorite:
Jesse Lacey
Marissa Paternoster
Phil Elverum
Sam Beam
Alison Mosshart
Steven Malkmus
Steve Albini
Aaron Weiss
Kevin Devine
Anthony Green

Least Favorite:
Jared Leto
Lil Wayne
Christofer Drew
Jeffree Star
Gabe Saporta

i don't get the jared leto hate. great actor and a pretty good musician.

[timb89]

sufjan stevens
ben folds
max bemis
thomas dutton
the guys from daft punk

no particular order, just off the top of my head.

[stereokiller]

FAVORITES:
Shawn Harris
Kris Roe
Nate Ruess

I'll get back on the other two some time. These are the only ones I adore so much.

EDIT: Chris Conley, Nic Newsham. Duh. How can I forget.

[frostedhearts]

5 favourites:
zach condon
kenny choi
andrew mcmahon
greg kurstin
conor oberst

[QuietThings430]

Favorite:
Max Bemis
Tom Gabel
Thomas Dutton
Nate Ruess
John Nolan

Least Favorite:
Buddy Nielsen
The guy from Blood on the Dance Floor
P!nk
Brandon Flowers
Jeffree Star

[redfalcon431]

Favs:
Mark Hoppus
Dustin Kensrue
Kenny Vasoli
Aaron Gillespie
Chris Carraba
Josh Moore

[andyball2311]

Fav
Vinnie Caruana
Patrick Stump
Matt McDonald
John Nolan
Mark Hoppus

[maxvsmaradona]

MAX IS THE FUCKING MAN.

Max D'Aulerio > Max Bemis

Oh wow, thanks guys :-)

[aboyandhiscurse]

love:
max bemis
nick torres
jesse lacey
juliet simms
kenny vasoli

runner ups: craig owens and more max bemis

hate: (this is more than 5 people...im just listing 5 acts in general)
everyone in the friday night boys
jefree star
brokencyde (especially se7en)
alex deleon from the cab
lil wayne

runner ups: animal colective, kanye west, miley cyrus

[Meeze]

Favorites:
Dustin Kensrue
Jesse Lacey
Ace Enders
Dallas Green
Andrew McMahon

[trappedintime]

Favorites:
Jesse Lacey
Dustin Kensrue
Aaron Weiss
Toby Morrell
Mark Hoppus

[Ill]

LEAST FAVORITES:

The lead singer of Fall Out Boy, whatever the fuck his name is.
Post-Blink Tom Delonge.

[TreyForest]

my favorite 5 - i tried to pick old school legends that are still better than most of the stuff that comes out today
1. fat mike (bass, nofx)
2. mark hoppus (bass, blink)
3. roger manginelli (bass, less than jake) - any bass player looking to find something more challenging to play than blink or green day should check out their back catalogue. his bass lines are one of many great reasons to get into the band
4. chad gilbert (guitar, new found glory)
5. tim armstrong (guitar, rancid)

honorable mention - eminem, kenny vasoli, travis barker, billie joe armstrong

respect there thats a sweet list, roger was the reason i bought a bass

Tim Armstrong
Tom Delonge
Kris Roe
Matt Skiba
Bradley Nowell

[Wedge]

Good:

John Darnielle

Bad:
Max Bemis
Tom Delonge

[xJesusFreakx]

It's on my old harddrive, but I bust it out periodically. I could grab it during Christmas Break if you really want to wade through twenty pages of me babbling about Batman.

I'd rather not inconvenience you, but it really sounds like an interesting read.

Relatablility is a huge factor in many people's enjoyment of art. Spidey is truly the down-trodden and neurotic everyman who stumbled upon superpowers, yet his life didn't become exceptional as a result. Not only is he a jovial prankster, but he does so because of being nervous, which makes him even more sympathetic. I love Spidey. I really do.

However, I relate to Batman due to having PTSD and of the fucked up conditions he has. That and I just find him immensely intriguing. Here's a near-insane terrorist parading around as a superhero-esque figure. He's a man in the midst of gods and aliens and martians and ocean kings and yet, he still has teh brilliance to dismantle them all. It's truly the triumph of humanity, done through the most unsavory and frightening way. Batman once took the entirety of the universe, distilled into an massive walking mount of energy. Superman's solution was to hit it, like it always is. Only Batman had an actual strategy to dismantle it (because he'd seen an energy harvesting influx two years prior and was afraid what would happen if it was all consoladated by a maniac...yeah, that's what he does. He schemes).

Batman does intrigue me, but I've never thought this deeply about everything that goes into his character. You're definitely upping my interest in him right now. Viewing him as a grand "triumph of humanity" honestly doesn't interest me all that much, but all this talk about how tortured a character he is does. I really enjoy learning about a person's background and trying to understand who he/she is now based on that background, which is why that thesis paper of yours sounds so interesting.

(For this same sort of reason, I'd like to not make an effort to discover my biological "parents" until I'm out of school. I feel no emotional yearning for them, but I'm curious as to how they fit into who I am. That, and my "mom" is probably dead anyways.)

Moreover, Batman is primarily a pastiche of noir, detective/crime and swashbuckling tales of daring rescues, many of the tropes of the '20s-'50s that I love. Spidey is definitely awesome though. I'll never forget Amazing Spider-Man #129 (I believe) in which, while trying to save a falling Gwen Stacy after Green Goblin threw her off the Brooklyn Bridge, Peter shot web fluid to her descending body to catch her, which inadvertently hit her back, causing her neck to snap. Peter killed her (though she would have died regardless from impact of the fall). That was 69 or 70. At that time, superheroes always won. The bad guy never dealt an emotionally crippling blow like that. Peter not only lost his girlfriend to the supervillian, but also aided in his death. It was such a subversive moment.

It was actually her leg (http://antigravidade.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/spider-man_death-of-gwen-stacy.jpg), not her back, and that force of the sudden catch is what snapped her neck. This, as I'm sure you know, is why he always lets the web give a little now. Strangely enough, I've always had a weird fascination with imagining what it'd be like if my love interest were to unexpectedly die. Ha, for being such an optimist, I tend to have pretty morbid thoughts.

Where's the love for Clark Kent then?

Superman has always bored me because he's just too "perfect." His character as a whole has never drawn me in. I love the animated shorts from the 40s because I find past eras like that to be delightfully romantic and out of love for the animation, and I also love Kingdom Come, mostly for the artwork, but I love them in spite of Superman.

On a similar note, I love Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen, but that's because his "perfection" is itself a flaw, leading to an emotional disconnect from humanity. In spite of his practical omnipotence, he's a very relatable character. Superman just seems too flawless for me.

[circasuicide]

/
pete wentz
jesse lacey
anthony green
spencer chamberlin
andy hull

\
billie joe armstrong
davey havok
chad krueger
bono
tom delonge

[Auals]

I'd rather not inconvenience you, but it really sounds like an interesting read.

I have nothing to say about the comic books in general, I don't read them at all. But your discussion has forced me to read up on them. I always thought of comics/visual novels as the Positive side of writing. Short stories with positive things about super heroes but I did some research and I am actually thoroughly interested now.

because of you I'm going to try and read some interesting ones, minus watchmen which I'd rather wait to read, can you give me some otheres to get started with?

[Auals]

LEAST FAVORITES:

The lead singer of Fall Out Boy, whatever the fuck his name is.
Post-Blink Tom Delonge.

Why don't you like Patrick Stump? He's a brilliant singer/producer and an incredibly creative guy. From all accounts a nice guy as well.

[circasuicide]

Top 5
Gerard Way
Charlie Simpson
Morrissey
Eminem
Max Bemis

Hard, I kept it as one person from each band. I don't really have a strong enough dislike for anyone to put them in a least favourite list.

not a dig at the op, but who ever thuoght they'd see morrissey and gerard way in the same list?

[circasuicide]

Why don't you like Patrick Stump? He's a brilliant singer/producer and an incredibly creative guy. From all accounts a nice guy as well.

yeah, even if you dont like fall out boy, its pretty much impossible to not realize the immense talent of patrick stump. in thirty years, long after fall out boy have called it quits, he'll be making great music still.

[xJesusFreakx]

I have nothing to say about the comic books in general, I don't read them at all. But your discussion has forced me to read up on them. I always thought of comics/visual novels as the Positive side of writing. Short stories with positive things about super heroes but I did some research and I am actually thoroughly interested now.

because of you I'm going to try and read some interesting ones, minus watchmen which I'd rather wait to read, can you give me some otheres to get started with?

You'd be better off asking Todd (kearn1tm). I've been out of comics for a while and am very slowing getting back into them, so I'll be of minimal assistance.

[LaughingAtYou]

Has anyone said Vinnie Caruana? He's the nicest guy and really talented.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Matt Embree
Hollie Smith
Ray LaMontagne
Thom Yorke
Josh Tillman

[LowFlyingJets]

Mike Kinsella - I could get by by listening to nothing but AF and Owen for the rest of my life
Ben Gibbard - Love everything he's ever done (DCFC, PS, Kerouac Stuff)
Chris Crisci - Appleseed Cast and Old Canes. nothing more to be said
Jim Adkins - This one's obvious. Only artist who I respect in "the scene"
Jim James - Amazing lyricist, amazing vocals, my morning jacket and monsters of folk are so solid

Close 6th - Ben Bridwell

[IWasaCamera]

Me
Todd
Joe
Max
Rick

Only the first is in order of preference. Well, the second too. And the last.

[Teddy Gravyboot]

Dave Grohl
John Frusciante
Andrew McMahon
Lupe Fiasco
Mos Def

[runningohfive]

Top 5 (as of this year)

Kenny Vasoli

Dustin Kensrue

Nate Ruess

Tegan and Sara

Mark Hoppus, Tom Delonge, and Travis Barker


Bottom 5 (as of this year)

Richard Samuel McCroskey III (a.k.a Syko)

Se7en and Mikl

Dahvie Vanity

Gabe Saporta

Kanye West

[And Hours Pass]

Andrew McMahon.
John Mayer.
Maybe Jack White and Patrick Stump.

Love your list.

Geoff Rickly
Jacob Bannon
Dustin Kensrue
Dave Grohl
Johnny Marr

So happy to see another fan. "Down on the corner" still gets plays on my iPod frequently.

Favourite:

Jason Vena
John Mayer
Nathan Young (Drummer for anberlin)
Andrew Mcmahon
Dr. Dre

Big fan of this list too. Good to see Vena up there. Hopefully he'll get back into music again.

Favorites:

Richard Wright
Roger Waters
David Gilmour
Nick Mason
Syd Barrett
Geoff Rickly

Least Favorites:

Shaggy2Dope
Violent J
Johnny Rotten

Guessing you're a floyd fan...?

EDIT: Didn't mean that in a hating way - I am too.

Favorites (no order):
Dustin Kensrue (Has very successfully in my opinion, managed to have a great evolving band and a successful solo career)
Matt Nathanson (He has done a lot of work fighting for independent singer/songwriters)
Mark Hoppus (Not the biggest blink fan, but appreciate his constant production work with younger bands)
John Mayer (Although weird and pretentious at times, happy that he keeps the influence of guitar legends alive and well)
Cove Reber (This one I may get shit on for. Despite all the crap he takes for not being AG and that In Search of Solid Ground was a lackluster follow-up, he is still a good sport about it. Good to his fans, very open. Even if he isnt the best vocalist, just a good hearted guy to have in music)

Not surprised to see he isn't mentioned much on this site, but always good to see him brought up. While some people don't dig his music, this guy works incredibly hard and has built himself from the ground up. Also an incredibly nice guy and very fan-oriented.

favorites:
Christofer Drew (yes I know I'm going to get shot for saying him)
Matt Thiessen (sp?)
Ben Folds
Will Pugh
Alex Gaskarth (probably more of the old him, i'm hoping the next album will be an improvement)
Patrick Stump


So surprised that this is the first mention of Ben Folds. Incredibly talented and inventive. Not a big fan of his last album, but I really think he's a great talent in music right now.

Matt Embree
Hollie Smith
Ray LaMontagne
Thom Yorke
Josh Tillman

Also surprised to see this is the first mention of Ray LaMontagne. What a brilliant artist.


My top 5:

John Mayer (and specifically JM3)
Stevie Wonder
Ray LaMontagne
Ben Folds
Paul Simon

EDIT: Honorable mentions include Andrew McMahon, FOB, and Stevie Ray Vaughan.

[Metal Now]

Max Bemis
Aaron Weiss
Patrick Stump
Tim Armstrong
Andrew McMahon

The least favourites are irrelevant to my enjoyment of music.

[bard]

aaron weiss
john congleton
dan weyandt
jason lytle


no order really except aaron weiss at the top

[Brissona]

favorites

ben gibbard
claudio sanchez
mark hoppus
kenny vassoli
anthony green

[JawsTheme182]

Favorite

1. John Mayer
2. Tom Delonge
3. Andrew McMahon
4. Max Bemis
5. Shane Hendersen

[ate_teenfourevr]

BJA
Alex Gasgarth
Jim Adkins
Jack White
Jesse Lacey

[Brokenhill]

Guessing you're a floyd fan...?

EDIT: Didn't mean that in a hating way - I am too.

Yep.

And that's great, haha, we need more around here. :wave:

[kearn1tm]

I'd rather not inconvenience you, but it really sounds like an interesting read.

It doesn't take long. If you want it, around mid-December, I can hook you up.



Batman does intrigue me, but I've never thought this deeply about everything that goes into his character. You're definitely upping my interest in him right now. Viewing him as a grand "triumph of humanity" honestly doesn't interest me all that much, but all this talk about how tortured a character he is does. I really enjoy learning about a person's background and trying to understand who he/she is now based on that background, which is why that thesis paper of yours sounds so interesting.

I think that "triumph of humanity" thing only applies to making him feel unique in a sea of meta-humans and extra-terrestrials. You have Blue Devil, you have the Creeper, you have Booster Gold, you have Atom Smasher, you have Firestorm, you have Captain Marvel, you have Wonder Woman, you have Black Canary, you have Black Lightening, you have a whole corp of Green Lanterns, yet there's so few non-powered vigilantes among them, and of those few, only one is so brilliant and so paranoid that he has methods to dispose of people who are seemingly his allies.

I've also written a paper a year or so ago on how I see this as a metaphor for socialism and communism; FDR's New Deal and the critics believing it would turn the middle class into expecting, dependent citizens waiting for handouts, things like that and how government makes citizens reliant on them [the power - like the metahumans] and Batman is seemingly the people; actually trying to check and balance the power.

But yes, the psychology of Batman (on a micro sense, as opposed to the previous, macro examination of him and his world) is riveting. There's much to mine. He's very tortured, but not just tortured, but essentially insane.

Check out Moon Knight too. That character (Marvel's answer, but even crazier) is brilliant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Knight

(For this same sort of reason, I'd like to not make an effort to discover my biological "parents" until I'm out of school. I feel no emotional yearning for them, but I'm curious as to how they fit into who I am. That, and my "mom" is probably dead anyways.)

Do they fit in, as in, did you ever live with them? If not, I don't know how they would, but then, I'm not adopted, so you'd be educating me.


It was actually her leg (http://antigravidade.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/spider-man_death-of-gwen-stacy.jpg), not her back

Fuck, you're right. I have this painting Alex Ross did of the Bridge incident with the webbing hitting her back, which is why I mentioned it, but Romita Sr. definitely had it hitting her black boot ankle. My apologies.



Superman has always bored me because he's just too "perfect."

Many people say this, and that's due in part to the fact that many writers over the last few decades have become complacent and just don't understand how to make the character contemporary and multidimensional, so they fall into the trap of writing him as a dimensionless boyscott.

Clark Kent is a man out of place. He's alienated insofar as he has all these fantastic powers that he always yearned to use, but was forced to supress them to "fit in" as a teen. The social reality would not accept something so radically deviant as an empowered alien, so Clark was socialized into society, and had his powers kept dormant, unable to unleash them. It would be like forcing a bird not to fly. He has these abilities that feel good to use, they're an extension of his Krytonian identity, yet he's forced to keep them underwraps.

So he adheres to his adopted earth parent's teachings and he truly does find a bit of common ground with humanity and grows to love his parents, his friends and people as he becomes indoctrinated into society as any other impressionable kid raised on a culture does, but he has this other facet of his being, and he knows he's not like everyone else and the yearning to express it alienates him from everyone else. He's not like people. He connects with them, but he's foreign, and he eventually discovers he's extraterrestrial.

Imagine what that's like. You're surrounded by a race of people completely different, essentially forced to conform to their norms/pracitices/culture and told you must suppress your inherent, biological abilities that make you special and make you you. Though Clark Kent has humanity, he isn't human. He's different, so he's perpetually uneasy about where he is, a constant loner. He's compelled to use his powers though, and because he's raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent, taught the value of human morals and ethics and we (as humans) are fortunate he was raised "properly," he finds a way to do what he would invariably do anyway, let himself be free and use those powers, but to do them in way that's socially beneficial to humanity.

Clark Kent, much like Bruce Wayne, is a mask. It's his attempt to "feel us" and "relate to us" but Superman is the true identity. Themes of alienation and displacement are very common, and when that's accentuated, the character shines.

There's also the elements of whimsy and wonder that accompany the character. He's very intriguing to me. I'd definitely recommend these stories, as they make even the most anti-Superman reader adore the character:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_So_Funny_About_Truth,_Just ice_&_the_American_Way%3F (this is a must)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Birthright

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Brainiac-Geoff-Johns/dp/1401220878/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259609577&sr=8-1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_the_Man_of_Tom orrow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Star_Superman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC:_The_New_Frontier



His character as a whole has never drawn me in. I love the animated shorts from the 40s because I find past eras like that to be delightfully romantic and out of love for the animation, and I also love Kingdom Come, mostly for the artwork, but I love them in spite of Superman.

Kingdom Come was great, and, well, one of my favorite Superman stories.

One thing I'll confess is that I find him best as the inspirational, unwavering soldier who leads the DCU to battle in crossovers. I also adore him as he juxtaposes Batman. The first twenty-five issues of the series Superman/Batman (collected in four Trade Paperbacks, written by Jeph Loeb with pencils by Ed McGuinness, Michael Turner and Charlos Pacheco) are a phenomenal account of Clark and Bruce's respect, friendship and annoyance at each other's tactics, methods and ideologies.

On a similar note, I love Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen, but that's because his "perfection" is itself a flaw, leading to an emotional disconnect from humanity. In spite of his practical omnipotence, he's a very relatable character. Superman just seems too flawless for me.

Clark isn't really flawless, and again it's one of those things that's been perpetuated by sloppy writers in the last forty years, but some truly phenomenal works have come about to give us a true account of the character.

[kearn1tm]

Me
Todd
Joe
Max
Rick

Only the first is in order of preference. Well, the second too. And the last.

Batman or Spider-Man, Vinh? Don't let me down.

[kearn1tm]

Oh, and Tim, if you own an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and you haven't picked up the Batman: Arkham Asylum game, you should. It's one of the few superhero videogames (or licensed games for that matter) that is well-done. It's brilliant, man.

[And Hours Pass]

Yep.

And that's great, haha, we need more around here. :wave:
I'm surprised there aren't more. To be honest, I'm actually a bigger fan of the post-barrett stuff, but I don't dislike the Barrett-era. I think I'm most disappointed by the band's decision to be two different versions of floyd (one fronted by waters and the other by Gilmore). I think that you always kind of wish a band you like would remain friends...

Either way, Gilmore's guitar playing and choices he makes in his solos really affected my playing so I will always be indebted to Floyd.

[tmagrosky]

FAVORITES:
Andrew Mcmahon
Max Bemis
Jesse Lacey
Alex Gaskarth
Mark Hoppus

[kearn1tm]

This thread is about superheroes now:

Favorite Superheroes:

Batman
Moon Knight
Daredevil
Luke mother fucking Cage
The Question

[musicenthusiast]

favorites...
-kanye,
-nas,
-thom yorke,
-a green,
-cedric bixler zavala,
-andre 3000,
-claudio,
-tomserak
-lupe fiasco

wackness...
-jay-z after his retirement (nas killed him... "I GOT MONEY is about as deep as he gets post the black album")
-soulja boy tell em (on a single handed mission to destroy hip-hop)
-all the obvious shit where the people don't play their instruments, crunkxcore etc etc.
-M. Shadows (so white trash)

peace.

[Brokenhill]

I'm surprised there aren't more. To be honest, I'm actually a bigger fan of the post-barrett stuff, but I don't dislike the Barrett-era. I think I'm most disappointed by the band's decision to be two different versions of floyd (one fronted by waters and the other by Gilmore). I think that you always kind of wish a band you like would remain friends...

Either way, Gilmore's guitar playing and choices he makes in his solos really affected my playing so I will always be indebted to Floyd.

Yea it's unfortunate, i'm sure they would of released some good albums, but I don't think anything could top their '73 to '79 material. I'm completely satisfied with everything they've come out with...'The Wall' is my favorite - i've been enjoying that album for 4 years now, not getting tired of it at allll. Not even slightly. The longevity of their music is what really keeps me attatched. And that goes for pretty much all their albums, not just that one.

[MorningStar10]

Shane Henderson
Rou Reynolds
Frank Carter
Sean Smith
Dave Grohl
Jay Z

[MorningStar10]

This thread is about superheroes now:

Favorite Superheroes:

Batman
Moon Knight
Daredevil
Luke mother fucking Cage
The Question

Good List mine would include

1. Deadpool
2. The Comedian
3. Batman
4. Morningstar (in Lucifer comics)
5. The Tick!

[ohheroine]

fave:
andrew mcmahon
taylor hanson
dan briggs/tomrog
daniel johns
bob dylan

[IWasaCamera]

Batman or Spider-Man, Vinh? Don't let me down.
Since I've never been big on comics, I don't have much of a preference honestly. Why do you prefer Batman?

[xJesusFreakx]

It doesn't take long. If you want it, around mid-December, I can hook you up.

I'd love that. Just let me know closer to the time so I can PM you my email address.

I think that "triumph of humanity" thing only applies to making him feel unique in a sea of meta-humans and extra-terrestrials. You have Blue Devil, you have the Creeper, you have Booster Gold, you have Atom Smasher, you have Firestorm, you have Captain Marvel, you have Wonder Woman, you have Black Canary, you have Black Lightening, you have a whole corp of Green Lanterns, yet there's so few non-powered vigilantes among them, and of those few, only one is so brilliant and so paranoid that he has methods to dispose of people who are seemingly his allies.

I've also written a paper a year or so ago on how I see this as a metaphor for socialism and communism; FDR's New Deal and the critics believing it would turn the middle class into expecting, dependent citizens waiting for handouts, things like that and how government makes citizens reliant on them [the power - like the metahumans] and Batman is seemingly the people; actually trying to check and balance the power.

But yes, the psychology of Batman (on a micro sense, as opposed to the previous, macro examination of him and his world) is riveting. There's much to mine. He's very tortured, but not just tortured, but essentially insane.

Check out Moon Knight too. That character (Marvel's answer, but even crazier) is brilliant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Knight

I've never really checked out anything with Moon Knight for the rather lazy reason of him not being a very popular mainstream character. I'll have to look into him when I get the chance.

Do they fit in, as in, did you ever live with them? If not, I don't know how they would, but then, I'm not adopted, so you'd be educating me.

I was adopted when I was really young, like maybe two months old. It'd be interesting, more than anything, because it'd be sort of a look at the whole "nurture vs nature" discussion. When we have family reunions, everyone always laughs with the same loud laugh and everything, except for quiet little me (which I don't particularly mind; it's just a fun observation). It'd just be neat to see what general traits I've inherited from them biologically, without experiencing any nurturing from them.

Fuck, you're right. I have this painting Alex Ross did of the Bridge incident with the webbing hitting her back, which is why I mentioned it, but Romita Sr. definitely had it hitting her black boot ankle. My apologies.

Alex Ross is pretty sweet.

Many people say this, and that's due in part to the fact that many writers over the last few decades have become complacent and just don't understand how to make the character contemporary and multidimensional, so they fall into the trap of writing him as a dimensionless boyscott.

Clark Kent is a man out of place. He's alienated insofar as he has all these fantastic powers that he always yearned to use, but was forced to supress them to "fit in" as a teen. The social reality would not accept something so radically deviant as an empowered alien, so Clark was socialized into society, and had his powers kept dormant, unable to unleash them. It would be like forcing a bird not to fly. He has these abilities that feel good to use, they're an extension of his Krytonian identity, yet he's forced to keep them underwraps.

So he adheres to his adopted earth parent's teachings and he truly does find a bit of common ground with humanity and grows to love his parents, his friends and people as he becomes indoctrinated into society as any other impressionable kid raised on a culture does, but he has this other facet of his being, and he knows he's not like everyone else and the yearning to express it alienates him from everyone else. He's not like people. He connects with them, but he's foreign, and he eventually discovers he's extraterrestrial.

Imagine what that's like. You're surrounded by a race of people completely different, essentially forced to conform to their norms/pracitices/culture and told you must suppress your inherent, biological abilities that make you special and make you you. Though Clark Kent has humanity, he isn't human. He's different, so he's perpetually uneasy about where he is, a constant loner. He's compelled to use his powers though, and because he's raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent, taught the value of human morals and ethics and we (as humans) are fortunate he was raised "properly," he finds a way to do what he would invariably do anyway, let himself be free and use those powers, but to do them in way that's socially beneficial to humanity.

Clark Kent, much like Bruce Wayne, is a mask. It's his attempt to "feel us" and "relate to us" but Superman is the true identity. Themes of alienation and displacement are very common, and when that's accentuated, the character shines.

There's also the elements of whimsy and wonder that accompany the character. He's very intriguing to me. I'd definitely recommend these stories, as they make even the most anti-Superman reader adore the character:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_So_Funny_About_Truth,_Just ice_&_the_American_Way%3F (this is a must)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Birthright

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Brainiac-Geoff-Johns/dp/1401220878/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259609577&sr=8-1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_the_Man_of_Tom orrow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Star_Superman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC:_The_New_Frontier

All of this makes him seem much more interesting to me. I guess I just haven't been exposed to enough Superman. Thank you for the story recommendations.

Kingdom Come was great, and, well, one of my favorite Superman stories.

I haven't read it in a few years, so I definitely need to reread it sometime soon.

One thing I'll confess is that I find him best as the inspirational, unwavering soldier who leads the DCU to battle in crossovers. I also adore him as he juxtaposes Batman. The first twenty-five issues of the series Superman/Batman (collected in four Trade Paperbacks, written by Jeph Loeb with pencils by Ed McGuinness, Michael Turner and Charlos Pacheco) are a phenomenal account of Clark and Bruce's respect, friendship and annoyance at each other's tactics, methods and ideologies.

Is that the series with that Supergirl story? I remember seeing it somewhere and thinking Turner's Supergirl looked pretty cute, lol. /lamenerdmoment. On that note, I remember hearing about his death. He used to come to the Pittsburgh Comicon every year that he wasn't too sick for. I enjoyed his style a good bit, so that sucked.

Clark isn't really flawless, and again it's one of those things that's been perpetuated by sloppy writers in the last forty years, but some truly phenomenal works have come about to give us a true account of the character.

Again, I definitely need to look into those stories you mentioned.

Oh, and Tim, if you own an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and you haven't picked up the Batman: Arkham Asylum game, you should. It's one of the few superhero videogames (or licensed games for that matter) that is well-done. It's brilliant, man.

I don't, but I heard it was really well done. I'm not really that into video games outside of old school Kirby and the like, but if I had the necessary system, I'd definitely check it out.

[xJesusFreakx]

Since I've never been big on comics, I don't have much of a preference honestly. Why do you prefer Batman?

This is completely irrelevant to the post I'm quoting, but I just realized that I never went back and continued our Boxer discussion. I had a lot of down time this past weekend, too. Sorry about that.

[Peacemaker]

No particular order

Top 5 Favorite:
-Kurt Cobain
-Billie Joe Armstrong
-Robert Zimmerman
-Frank Iero
-Ian MacKaye

Honorable mentions: Henry Rollins, Trent Reznor, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Morello, Morrissey, Tim Armstrong, Tom Gabel, Gerard Way, Ian Curtis, Frank Black, Jack White, Jack Black, Jello Biafra, Johnny Marr, Mike Ness-okay I'm done.

Top 5 Least Favorite
-Tom Delonge
-Jesse Lacey
-Thom Yorke
-Andrew McMahon
-Andy Hull

(Dis)Honorable Mentions: Robert Plant, Paul McCartney (post-Beatles), those MGMT kids, Phish and moe., that one dude from Blood on The Dance Floor.

Sorry guys, but I'm not going to call off work in order to pay 30 bucks and see a band that doesn't have any acknowledgment of the audience.
I'm looking at you Brand New. And Radiohead. And Blink-182.

[IWasaCamera]

This is completely irrelevant to the post I'm quoting, but I just realized that I never went back and continued our Boxer discussion. I had a lot of down time this past weekend, too. Sorry about that.
That's still going?

[xJesusFreakx]

That's still going?

You replied to a post of mine with questions and statements, and I never responded to that. So, it's not, but it ended abruptly.

[IWasaCamera]

You replied to a post of mine with questions and statements, and I never responded to that. So, it's not, but it ended abruptly.
Ah, no worries. I wouldn't have been able to reply with anything worthwhile anyway given the busy schedule.

[xJesusFreakx]

Ah, no worries. I wouldn't have been able to reply with anything worthwhile anyway given the busy schedule.

Oh, ok. Maybe I'll revive it when the semester ends and the holidays begin.

[IWasaCamera]

Oh, ok. Maybe I'll revive it when the semester ends and the holidays begin.
Looking forward to it.

[And Hours Pass]

Yea it's unfortunate, i'm sure they would of released some good albums, but I don't think anything could top their '73 to '79 material. I'm completely satisfied with everything they've come out with...'The Wall' is my favorite - i've been enjoying that album for 4 years now, not getting tired of it at allll. Not even slightly. The longevity of their music is what really keeps me attatched. And that goes for pretty much all their albums, not just that one.
I'd definitely agree with the ideas of longevity. I can't say that I found that as much with Division Bell, but The Wall, Echoes, DSOTM... incredible lasting power.

[heroesofthepast]

top
mark hoppus
max bemis
chad gilbert
nate reuss
adam lazzara

bottom
gabe saporta
se7en
cristofer drew
this (http://www.dobi.nu/yourscenesucks/crunk/scene.jpg)
lady gaga

[cinderandsmoke]

i don't get the jared leto hate. great actor and a pretty good musician.

Great actor. Great musician? Not so much. He assumes that to be a "rock star" you have to layer on the eyeliner and dye your hair. I just think this is another role for him, I can't take the guy seriously. Prickish. Hahaha.

[briewer]

favorites...
-kanye,
-nas,
-thom yorke,
-a green,
-cedric bixler zavala,
-andre 3000,
-claudio,
-tomserak
-lupe fiasco

wackness...
-jay-z after his retirement (nas killed him... "I GOT MONEY is about as deep as he gets post the black album")
-soulja boy tell em (on a single handed mission to destroy hip-hop)
-all the obvious shit where the people don't play their instruments, crunkxcore etc etc.
-M. Shadows (so white trash)

peace.
American Gangster is better than anything Nas has put out not named Illmatic. They don't even compare, Hova is on a completely different level.

[cburton92]

Favourite

chris conley
chad gilbert
tom delonge
mark hoppus
frank turner

least favourite

bono
kanye west
all of brokencyde
frontman of you me at six
gerard way

[kearn1tm]

Good List mine would include

1. Deadpool
2. The Comedian
3. Batman
4. Morningstar (in Lucifer comics)
5. The Tick!

Dude, Deadpool is hilarious and I loved Englund's Tick comics. Good man. I've yet to read Mike Carey's Lucifer, but I've dug other stuff he's done.

Since I've never been big on comics, I don't have much of a preference honestly. Why do you prefer Batman?

Ha. See the essay I wrote on the last page.

I'd love that. Just let me know closer to the time so I can PM you my email address.

Will do.



I've never really checked out anything with Moon Knight for the rather lazy reason of him not being a very popular mainstream character. I'll have to look into him when I get the chance.

His latest series is a decent place to start.



I was adopted when I was really young, like maybe two months old. It'd be interesting, more than anything, because it'd be sort of a look at the whole "nurture vs nature" discussion. When we have family reunions, everyone always laughs with the same loud laugh and everything, except for quiet little me (which I don't particularly mind; it's just a fun observation). It'd just be neat to see what general traits I've inherited from them biologically, without experiencing any nurturing from them.

Good luck, man.



Alex Ross is pretty sweet.

I love Ross, but not on sequentials. His work is best suited for covers, as his realism tends to make things stiff looking and lacks kinetic flow or the appearance of movement.



All of this makes him seem much more interesting to me. I guess I just haven't been exposed to enough Superman. Thank you for the story recommendations.

Absolutely. I hope you get a chance to pick some of them up.


Is that the series with that Supergirl story? I remember seeing it somewhere and thinking Turner's Supergirl looked pretty cute, lol. /lamenerdmoment. On that note, I remember hearing about his death. He used to come to the Pittsburgh Comicon every year that he wasn't too sick for. I enjoyed his style a good bit, so that sucked.

The very same series. I enjoyed Turner's style; it's flashy, angular, stylized like the '90s Image guys, but I never loved it. Turner was not adapt at storytelling techniques, and his figures were all too interchangible for my taste, but on covers, I dug it. It's a shame about his death. He staved off cancer twice, only to finally succumb to it. Pity, really.

That series though is very fast-paced, flashy and fun, but not much for actual subsance. It's like a pop song, in all honesty, but the internal monologue between Clark and Bruce is incredibly telling of their respect for one another and it really makes the series for me.


I don't, but I heard it was really well done. I'm not really that into video games outside of old school Kirby and the like, but if I had the necessary system, I'd definitely check it out.

I'm not hip on video games. I own a Sega Saturn (from '95), an original Nintendo ('80s) but bought an Xbox 360 on black friday specifically for the Batman game and a zombie FPS.

[futilespider]

The Best

Max Bemis
Shawn Harris
Forrest Kline
Matthew Theissen
Andy Hull

My Least Favorites - kinda funny to make.

Guy from 3OH!3
Other guy from 3OH!3
Lil Wayne
The bass player from a day to remember
Bono

[katiebaima]

juliet simms
max bemis
andrew mcmahon
keith buckley
morrissey

least favorites:
tony brummel
millionaire 1
millionaire 2
millionaire 3
selena gomez?

[katiebaima]

Favourite

chris conley
chad gilbert
tom delonge
mark hoppus
frank turner

least favourite

bono
kanye west
all of brokencyde
frontman of you me at six
gerard way

haha why the frontman of you me at six?

[falloutpanicboy]

Favorite:

Patrick Stump
Brendon Urie
Hayley Williams
John Mayer
Max Bemis

Least Favorite:

Miley Cyrus
Lil' Wayne
Gabe Saporta
Jared Leto
Soulja Boy Tell 'Em

[youngz]

favorite:
will swan
anthony green
tom delonge
aaron gillesppie
dr. dre

least favorite:
the whole brokencyde
jeffree star
black eyed peas
miley cyrus
shinedown

[IntoTheSun]

Looking forward to it.

Same here dude!

[oliviaemmer]

haha why the frontman of you me at six?
i was wondering the same thing

[jwicklun]

Favorite;
Max Bemis
Mark Hoppus
Joe Trohman
Rivers Cuomo
John Mayer

Least Favorite:
Lil Wayne
Timbaland
Trace Cyrus
Axl Rose
Jared Leto (acting wise, he's awesome)

edit: if we are doing six each, then Andrew WK for favorite and least favorite black eyed peas.

[TangledUp]

Favorites:
Bob Dylan
Tom DeLonge
Rivers Cuomo
Joe Trohman
Shawn Harris

[foomanfat]

Favorites:
Mike Patton
All the dudes from The Chariot
Anthony Green
Reese Roper
Andrew W.K.

Strongly Dislikes:
Kanye West
Tyson Ritter
Lady GaGa
Jeffree Star
Billie Joe Armstrong

[Zachals]

Sufjan Stevens
Aaron Weiss

[Samc1803]

Favorites:

Elton John
Matt Bellamy
Casey Crescenzo
Nate Ruess
John Gourley

Freddie Mercury would totally be on this list if he wasn't dead.

[Brand-new-123]

Cody Bonnette
Aaron Weiss
Eef Barzelay
Bradley Hathaway
Stephen Christian

[IntoTheSun]

Much like Ryan, I give everyone I talk to frequently on this board shit because I hate everyone and I hope humanity is wiped out by a plague that occurs when Oprah retires and the universe implodes on itself, leaving only me and the hottest dude in the world and we'll be happy.

Just playin' along with the game, sirrah. No need for second explanations now ;-) Your logic is so flawed it's not even funny. When Oprah's retirement causes the earth to implode, why would you want to be left with the hottest guy on earth? He'd probably be straight as an arrow and dumber than a box of donuts. All he'd want is tits and beer. Cute guys are so much better.

Also, I think you don't know much about superheroes.

You're correct, I don't know a lot about superheroes...I can't pretend to know everything haha. You probably actually KNOW more about them than your average superhero fan, and because of this, I knew you'd probably have some solid arguements against me. All I'm saying here is, there are probably a lot of superhero fans who have a much more shallow understanding than you do, and perhaps these are the only sorts of fans I've been exposed to. Therefore, my knowledge of superheroes comes only from my limited personal experience with them and the conversations amongst superhero fans I've been around. So yeah, I'm coming from a pretty narrow view here.

It's much more than "good vs. evil". I'm not trying to be "that guy," but you truly don't, so to say they're "confined to a little two dimensional world" is a tad bit annoying. They're not your thing, cool, but there's much more complexity and greater themes than what you've described.

Two questions. How is it much more than good vs. evil? I want a bit more details haha. Because it seems to me like that's the basis for all superhero stories, even if they're variations of said concept. Okay, so there are bigger themes...like most things do. Examples?

(and most writers adhere to the line of logic that storytelling of any medium falls into conveying a story in one of five ways, which is a very well-known and believed theory. In fact, name your favorite novel and.or movie of the last decade and chances are, it can be distilled down to [x] vs. [y], with the variable being either an event, person[s] or philosophy against another with one being portrayed as good and one bad). Their roots lie in Greek and Norse Mythology and have ties into various literary troupes and religions. I suspect you've seen some cartoons and movies and have immediately assumed you know of the genre.

Well, obviously a story needs conflict to go anywhere haha. It would be a very uninteresting story if everyone was swell and happy with things. So yeah, there is an x verses y, whether that be clashing ideals or morals etc. That doesn't necessaryily mean that one is portrayed as good and one is portrayed as evil. Take (500) Days of Summer for example, my favorite movie, the conflict is that Tom is in love and Summer isn't. That doesn't make either one of those things good or bad, and the situation is portrayed in a more complex and multidimensional way, which is what makes it realistic. I don't know. Maybe I've always been one who prefers stories that are grounded in realism. I have never been one for fictional books, like, I read them and like them somewhat, but I've never been super into them (except, the Harry Potter series as I recall. What bugs me the most are those Cinderella story fairytales and the ideals they instill for young girls everywhere. For me, superheroes and supervillians are kind of like personas...yes, they have human qualities and such, but that is overshadowed by something far less interesting and again, more two-dimensional (sorry saying this annoys you.) Anyway, I've spent wayyy more than 9 minutes typing this haha...it feels like it's been all day. If you need me to elaborate on anything, please feel free to ask. I am looking forward to your explanation of all this so I can understand.

[xJesusFreakx]

I love Ross, but not on sequentials. His work is best suited for covers, as his realism tends to make things stiff looking and lacks kinetic flow or the appearance of movement.

His work does look rather stoic, which might stem from painting them all from models. (Does he paint them straight from the models or take a picture of them? I forget. The latter would likely leave more room for motion, while the former would keep everything looking very stationary.) I like his work enough for it to not take away too much from Kingdom Come or Marvels.

The very same series. I enjoyed Turner's style; it's flashy, angular, stylized like the '90s Image guys, but I never loved it. Turner was not adapt at storytelling techniques, and his figures were all too interchangible for my taste, but on covers, I dug it. It's a shame about his death. He staved off cancer twice, only to finally succumb to it. Pity, really.

That series though is very fast-paced, flashy and fun, but not much for actual subsance. It's like a pop song, in all honesty, but the internal monologue between Clark and Bruce is incredibly telling of their respect for one another and it really makes the series for me.

You're definitely right about the figures looking too interchangeable, but I've never taken the time to actually read anything he's illustrated, so it hasn't bothered me much. I have a copy of Witchblade #7 (http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/witchblade/7-1.jpg) signed by him and am quite content just looking at the cover. I'm not sure why, perhaps for the fabric everywhere, but I like that cover a lot.

I like pop songs, lol, so that shouldn't bother me. Granted, I've also spent the past couple years becoming bored of comic books, so it might not be the best series to read right now, but perhaps the dialogue will appeal to me as well.

I'm not hip on video games. I own a Sega Saturn (from '95), an original Nintendo ('80s) but bought an Xbox 360 on black friday specifically for the Batman game and a zombie FPS.

Nintendo is where it's at. I love my Nintendo DS. I absolutely love Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, and I'm pumped for the Pokemon Gold and Silver remakes. First person shooters don't appeal to me much, but classics like Mario and Tetris are the bomb.

[IWasaCamera]

Ha. See the essay I wrote on the last page.
Too tired.
Same here dude!
Contain yourself.

[kearn1tm]

You're correct, I don't know a lot about superheroes...I can't pretend to know everything haha. You probably actually KNOW more about them than your average superhero fan,
You'd be surprised if you visited one of the dozens of comic book message boards on the internet, then.

The direct market, which is the primary source for single-issue comic sales, generally ships no more than 200,000 units of the most popular titles a month, meaning comic/specalty retail stores only buy, at most, 200,000 copies on average of the highest selling title. Comics are increasingly becoming a niche market (though bookstore acceptance in the last decade has improved their standings with mainstream audiences), so it's one of the few mediums that have a large portion of their fanbase discussing it online (whereas a medium like music is far too universally-enjoyed to have the majority represented in online discussion). They're quite knowledgable on one of the most popular genres of comics (superheroes), just as many on this site know more about the medium of music than your average music listener. It's no different.

I'm honestly not that shocked though that you, as a representative of sorts of the mainstream conception of what superhero comics are/represent aren't quite knowledgeable on the genre or the fanbase, but it's a bit distressing the misconceptions that you, as the mainstream have of such a sophisticated genre and those of us who adore it (no offense, of course).

and because of this, I knew you'd probably have some solid arguements against me. All I'm saying here is, there are probably a lot of superhero fans who have a much more shallow understanding than you do
In what sense? I imagine the average person who only cares for the summer blockbuster superhero films doesn't really care about the depth that is associated with the genre, but those who are comic enthusiasts generally do.

and perhaps these are the only sorts of fans I've been exposed to.
The majority of music listeners buy mainstream pop albums and don't care enough to engage in actual substantial discourse on the medium or explore to expansive-breadth of the medium. Would you assume I know more about music than most because of dialogs I've had on this site?


Therefore, my knowledge of superheroes comes only from my limited personal experience with them
What is your experience? What have you read? I can't imagine you've had much exposure, which makes it odd that you've deemed yourself well-versed to the point of being able to dismiss an entire genre.

Two questions. How is it much more than good vs. evil? I want a bit more details haha.
The simple answer is that there's many different storytelling troupes found within superhero stories. Romance, adventure, interpersonal dynamics, the concepts of identity, sociopolitical commentary, superhero stories run the gaument of subjects discussed and delved into. They have virtually as much potential as any other story you, I or anyone else likes.

The conflict may revovle around a "hero" versus a "villain," but that's essentially the premise of any story ever. Moreover, who the villain and the hero are is often at the mercy of interpretation, and there are moral ambiguity involved. For instance, the X-Men were initially created at the height of the civil rights movement. They were meant to be allegorical representations of the being black in America. You had Malcolm X, a man who advocated violence in the quest for civil equality and who later preached separatist stance, and Dr. King Jr. who was a pascist and preached assimilation and peaceful co-existence.

Magneto was labeled a "mutant terrorist" because he used demonstrations of force and violence to combat social hierarchies of those in power imposing their will on mutants, reducing them to subhuman levels and violently keeping them compliant. Whose to say he's wrong? It's not as simple as he's a one-dimensional villain out for glory, money or some other hedonistic pleasure. He's a man watching his race getting slaughtered, just as he did as a child when his people (Jews) were compartmentalized into concentration camps and executed. He wants equality and he wants to protect his people from a horrendous fate. It isn't emotionally/morally/philosophically as one-dimensional as you claim it is (hero vs. villain) when Magneto faces off against Professor Xaiver, a diplomat for the mutant race and the allegory for MLK Jr.

When a small subsect of the Justice League discover the wife of one of their members has been raped and nearly killed by a villain who found their identities, there arises a moral-conflict; "what do we do with him?" Their identities are compromised, this sociopath knows who they are and will certainly divulge these secrets to other bloodthirsty killers and enemies. He just sexually assaulted Ralph Dibney's wife. They can't just turn him over to the authorities, as he knows too much and threats their families and their own lives with the information he knows. What do you do, especially when you're meta-humans tasked with and trusted to act as objective uber-authorities, almost an incorruptible extension of the Executive Branch. Zatanna uses her chaos magics to wipe his mind, and when Batman discovers this, he protests and gets his short-term memory of the event wiped as well. The "heroes" literally violated a man's brain, his memories, altered his perception of life. That's a massive breach of ethics and a form of rape in and of itself. It goes far beyond the concept of "good vs. bad."

Read (or at least research) the links I provided you. The Dark Knight Returns is more of a sociopolitcial commentary on the bleak state of a Regan-dominated America. Watchmen is a deconstruction of not just superhero conventions, but of that of one-dimensional morals in storytelling. It's something most people don't understand until they actually immerse themselves in the stories.

Because it seems to me like that's the basis for all superhero stories, even if they're variations of said concept. Okay, so there are bigger themes...like most things do. Examples?
See above.



Well, obviously a story needs conflict to go anywhere haha. It would be a very uninteresting story if everyone was swell and happy with things. So yeah, there is an x verses y, whether that be clashing ideals or morals etc. That doesn't necessaryily mean that one is portrayed as good and one is portrayed as evil.
This is not the case with superheros either, but yes, most stories in western culture generally have a force opposing another with the script promoting one as the ideal to be cheered.

For me, superheroes and supervillians are kind of like personas...yes, they have human qualities and such, but that is overshadowed by something far less interesting and again, more two-dimensional (sorry saying this annoys you.)

It doesn't annoy me because it's an uneducated and wrong assumption (no offense). You've not read even a fraction of the most luminary superhero tales in the medium to even know the dominant portrayals of superheroes beyond streamlined portrayals in movies. Again, read the links for some of the stories I posted in the last response. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I find it laughable that you reduce something you know nothing about to "two-dimensional."

[IntoTheSun]

Contain yourself.
:-(

[kearn1tm]

His work does look rather stoic, which might stem from painting them all from models. (Does he paint them straight from the models or take a picture of them? I forget. The latter would likely leave more room for motion, while the former would keep everything looking very stationary.) I like his work enough for it to not take away too much from Kingdom Come or Marvels.

He paints them from live models mostly.

His work on the one-shots with Paul Dini are enjoyable.


You're definitely right about the figures looking too interchangeable, but I've never taken the time to actually read anything he's illustrated, so it hasn't bothered me much. I have a copy of Witchblade #7 (http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/witchblade/7-1.jpg) signed by him and am quite content just looking at the cover. I'm not sure why, perhaps for the fabric everywhere, but I like that cover a lot.

Oh Witchblade. One of the worst things to happen to mainstream comics, but I digress.

I like pop songs, lol, so that shouldn't bother me. Granted, I've also spent the past couple years becoming bored of comic books, so it might not be the best series to read right now, but perhaps the dialogue will appeal to me as well.

Oh, by all means, take time away from the medium. I stopped reading for a good four years or so until I was drawn back in around age 17 or so. You may find your way back to it, and if you do, I hope you find something worth reading.



Nintendo is where it's at. I love my Nintendo DS. I absolutely love Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, and I'm pumped for the Pokemon Gold and Silver remakes. First person shooters don't appeal to me much, but classics like Mario and Tetris are the bomb.

Sega Saturn > Life

[Peacemaker]

http://www.spinner.com/2009/11/30/my-chemical-romance-slam-fame-hungry-musicians-on-new-album/

You guys should see this article. This is why Gerard Way is important.

Shwing!!

[IWasaCamera]

:-(
Watched The Lion King twice over the weekend. You should do the same, it'd turn that frown upside down.

[Jack Appleby]

Dallas Green
Aaron Sprinkle (everything he produces is great)
Jonny Craig (his guest spots > his idiotic tweets)
Max Bemis
Sam Carter (his clean vocals have me praying he'll start singing more).

[Brokenhill]

I'd definitely agree with the ideas of longevity. I can't say that I found that as much with Division Bell, but The Wall, Echoes, DSOTM... incredible lasting power.

I still listen to them all at least monthly or every 2 months, but I listen to like 'WYWH', 'TDSOTM', and 'Piper' multiple times a month.

Are you talking about "Echoes" the song or 'Echoes' the album? I don't like compilations, I gotta listen to the original album.