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Tony Pascarella

06/16/06, 11:18 PM

This is a two-part e-mail interview conducted with Cute Is What We Aim For vocalist Shaant Hacikyan and the producer of their debut album, The Same Old Blood Rush With A New Touch, Matt Squire. In this interview, I tried my best to clear up every major rumor surrounding the band and the new record. Most of these questions were at least partly inspired by Absolutepunk's users, and I think it came out rather well.

If you dig the music, support it. If you don't, remember there are people who do. This interview goes out to both of you.

Special thanks to Shaant for taking the time to answer all of my questions in such depth, Matt for breaking down production for us outsiders, and John Janick for coordinating this.

Note: Because this was an e-mail interview, it is not necessarily 100% grammatically correct; I apologize--I felt it was more important to leave everything exactly as it was typed.

Cute Is What We Aim For's Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/cuteiswhatweaimfor)

Part I: Absolutepunk's Interview with Shaant Hacikyan

AP: Where did the name of the band come from?
Shaant: ha, the name is something that derived from a childhood joke between my best friend and i. he and i moved from different schools in the beginning of 8th grade so we were already outcasts considering the fact that everyone else around us had been together since 6th grade or even earlier. so we began saying the word 'cute' in place of saying cool. it was just something that we would say and it eventually caught on within the school... all of our friends began saying 'cute' instead of cool and it eventually caught on with the rest of the school. so when i was sitting and thinking about a band name it just clicked. i write about social situations constantly. the record is all about the social aspects and pressures of growing up as a teen these days. so the name reflects how everyone in high school is struggling to be 'cool' or excepted. everyone is trying to find their place in society although looking back on it, the status you have in high school really means nothing in the grand scheme of things but back when i was in school, it meant everything to me. its just like anything, when you think something is such a big deal and the people around you with an objective opinion can see that things aren't such a big deal.

AP: You guys have your Fueled By Ramen debut, The Same Old Blood Rush With A New Touch, coming out June 20th. What should we expect?
SH: i want to say that you should expect a record that will be a lot of fun to listen to when you are out this summer with all of your friends just driving a long having fun but at the same time, i hope you can expect something that will make you think and allow you to relate on a deep level.

AP: What's going to be the lead single? I understand you just finished filming the video in Tampa a few days ago. When¹s it due to get on MTV and Fuse?
SH: the lead single is 'There's A Class For This...' and yeah we did. we just finished up a video directed by Jay Martin (Death Cab For Cutie, Thrice, Jack's Mannequin). I think it will be used with the piece we did for 'You Hear It First' on MTV that will be airing the week of our release. So right around June 20th.

AP: What do you think separates the band from all of your contemporaries? Are you afraid people will see another FBR release and just instantly lump you in with the successes of The Academy Is, Panic at the Disco, and Fall Out Boy without really giving you a chance? And most importantly, how do you plan to keep that from happening?
SH: i don't think anything separates us from our contemporaries. We just do what we love to do. We don't worry about all the comparisons. If we did, we could get lost in that negative energy. I think every band has a chance. It just depends on how they carry themselves.

AP: A lot of bands focus much more on the image of their band than the music. How do you try to keep from falling into this trap?
SH: There really isn't too much to our 'image' .. we all wear the same stuff and behave the same way we did prior to starting the band.

AP: Can you talk a bit about the writing process that went into the album? How do you guys sit down and write a song?
SH: It's a tricky thing. I am always writing lyrics...whether it’s in my FBR journal, personal blogs, or random scraps of paper whenever I have an idea. Along with those lyrics i generally have a melody in mind. Sometimes we use the melody i have already thought of and adapt the music to it or sometimes i adapt a melody to the music that we all write...we all sit down and write the actual music and I write all of the lyrics and melodies.

AP: What is it about pop music that you love so much that made you guys decide to make it such a focus of your band?
SH: pop music is what started all of our interest in music. it was what we were raised on and then we ventured into pop-punk music. but there is something about 'pop' aspect that caught on to us. there is something about the song structure and the way you can litter a pop song with hooks that attracts me. now, i know how so many different genres of music are able to house such hooks but for me...as a matter of preference ...'pop' rock is my favorite.

AP: You guys had the opportunity to work with Matt Squire, who's really making a name for himself lately with great releases. How did you decide to go with him, and what was that experience like?
SH: We made a short list of producers that we were interested in and his name was at the top of the list to begin with. One of the main reasons that we ended up going with him was because John and FBR had a rapport with him due to the P!ATD record. After I spoke to Matt on the phone a few times it just felt so right.

AP: I¹ve heard bits and pieces of how he locked somebody out of the studio. What happened (if anything)?
SH: no one was locked out of the studio. ever. i think that¹s the most insane rumor ever. i mean... why would you want to lock anyone out of the studio when you are recording a record? it just doesn¹t make any sense at all.

AP: One of the things I always hear about bands who work with or have friends on Fueled By Ramen is that it¹s one big family. How did you guys get set up on the label, and who's your favorite band on FBR?
SH: That's super true. I mean when I have time off..instead of flying home I stay at FBR. there is just something about everyone here (i am actually in Johnny Minardi's office right now). even the interns just understand and fit right into the family roll. the staff is always hanging out even when they aren't working...i mean last night 12 of us all went to the movies, and tonight we are all gonna go play some basketball. It's an unreal environment to be in. I mean even on the road. So many of the bands on the label are friends...That's what this label is based on when it comes down to the core. The way we were set up on the label was that I was called by John Janick (president, co-founder) last summer. He had heard about us through online buzz and decided to contact me so he could see us live. he saw us and invited us to the office. after that initial meeting we left to go do some already scheduled demo's in NYC. he was in the area during the recording process and visited us in the studio a few times just to see how things were going and to just get a better feel for each other. once we finished the demos he was eager to hear them. we sent them to him and it's all history from there. The best part of being on FBR is that I am such a fan of the bands on the label. I have been a HUGE fan of Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is... prior to signing and all the new bands coming out just keep getting better and better...like Paramore, This Providence(is going to blow your mind) and Forgive Durden. I am still a fan and will prolly continue to be a big fan of the FBR family just because the label seems to have great taste. haha. I have called numerous bands just to tell them how much i love them and thank them for the music they make...and it's such a neat thing to be able to do. I am just a kid who loves music. That¹s how it all started and that's how it will always be.

AP: How much of an impact have the internet (sites such as Myspace) had on the past and present of Cute Is What We Aim For? Do you think you guys would be at the point in your career (signed, touring with artists like Jack¹s Mannequin and Anberlin, releasing a CD later this month) that you¹re at now without it?
SH: oh man, if it weren't for the internet then none of this would have been possible for us. we are sooo lucky to have the online communities support what we do and spread our music. up until recently, the internet was our only medium for people to hear our music. so to answer the next part of the question...we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are in our career if it weren't for the internet.

AP: Given what happened on Absolutepunk the other day, who actually wrote the letter to the best of your knowledge?
SH: the writer of the email to Tate was Fred. he wrote it right before he and the rest of the band jumped on a plane to head home. we all woke up and were sitting around checking our emails and routine sites...so once he saw the post on AP.net he got really upset about it. but at the same time... he had told us that he wouldn't write anything about and i told him to just let it go because that has been our stance since day one. people will talk, so let them talk. i suppose he didn't think that a personal email would be posted as news and sadly some of the sarcasm that was thrown in the mix def. did not bleed through via the text. Fred was angry about all of the things that have been said obviously and he let it get the best of him.

AP: Was this some sort of publicity stunt on either yours or the label's part?
SH: if it was... then i am very out of the loop on things. hah. i can say with every inch of my being that i do not think that this was a publicity stunt by any means.

AP: Did you actually get $500,000 to start a band from your parents?
SH: hahaha...noooo. our parents have helped us out with the little things here and there. but i had been working for 3 years up until getting signed in which i was saving money so that i could provide for recording costs in the beginning. so all of the initial demoing came out of my personal pocket.

AP: Did the label give you an advance anywhere in that ballpark?
SH: nope, we weren't given an advance from FBR. We were given a tour support fund just like every band on the label...but that’s it.

AP: Was this band just started to get famous?
SH: we started the band just because we all knew each other and we had a common love for music. we had no idea that this band would get the breaks that it has gotten. we know we are the luckiest bunch of kids...but we just wanted to go out and make music we loved. of course all of us dreamed of really making it one day. everyone in a band dreams of pursuing their music on a professional level but you can't be in a band just to get famous because where is the inspiration in that? how can you sleep on floors and play in front of 2 ppl just based on the desire to be famous? it just doesn¹t make sense. the percentage of success rate is far too low. every band wants success so they can support themselves...but in my eyes...doing it to be famous is the shallowest reason ever.

AP: In your opinion, is it important that all bands work their way up from the bottom, and if they catch some breaks along the way, does that dampen your view of the band's image? As a second part to that question, if a band is "manufactured," do you think that goes against what this "scene" is all about? (the do-it-yourself ethics, for example)
SH: I think that bands need to work at what they have just so they can have an appreciation for it all...but at the same time. who am i to say who works hard enough and what breaks a band does and does not deserve. The only thing that dampens a bands image to me is if they are mean to those who support and allow them to live their dreams. If by manufactured you mean something along the lines of N'Sync then I suppose so. but i haven¹t run into any cases like that in the music
community that we are involved in.

AP: Has Fueled By Ramen asked anyone in the band to look differently, act differently, or be different at all from the way you were when they first looked at signing the band? (Note: this comes in part from a question in which someone said that they heard the label asked Shaant to act "sexy" or "mysterious")
SH: Fueled by Ramen has never asked us to act or look or talk any different than we did when we met them.

AP: Do you guys think with some of the heat you've taken over the past months that you now have something to prove?
SH: i really don't at all. a lot of the heat we have taken is due to false rumors circulating around or just people stating their opinions. we are going to do what we do and try and make the best of it. we cannot please everyone. we can only be grateful and willing to put the hard work in to make the best out of this amazing opportunity we have.

AP: What is your opinion on autotune on CDs? I know a lot of albums use it, but how much is too much, and how much do you guys use it at on the upcoming CD?
SH: I don't think it's as uncommon as people think. We used it a little on our record, but not to any extreme like you'd hear on a dance record or something. Too much would be if someone can't sing and you use it to try to mask their real voice. You can definitely tell it's me singing on our record.

AP: Did you hire or ask anyone to co-write any of the songs on the album?
SH: when we were writing we would ask our buddies to come over and listen to what we had written, and some of them gave us feedback. But no, no one outside the band wrote any of the music on the record.

AP: I¹ve been told you kept a song from your old band, Cherrybing that you actually wrote. This wouldn¹t seem to be a problem ordinarily, but allegations of stealing music have come up about you guys. Can you clear up what actually happened?
SH: i did take a song that i wrote with Adam of Cherrybing. he and i wrote the piano stuff together and i wrote the melodies and lyrics. the song (I Don’t Care If It’s The Moon) was very special to me because it was about the demise of Cherrybing for me. We weren't getting along at all and the lyrics reflect it. the band (Cherrybing) was against using the song at all for the EP because it was just done in one take. so i posted it on the cute pureVOLUME in the first couple months of the Cute's existence. i even put that Adam was the one who co-wrote/played the piano for it. It was never a case of me claiming it to be my own. former members have claimed that they wrote the song but that couldn't be further from the truth.

AP: Do you purposely target your music at any one particular demographic or does the music itself dictate that? (This came from a question asking "do you purposely target your music at 15-year old girls?")
SH: I am not too sure of where our music falls into place at this point just because it's only been distributed online...but by no means is it targeted to any audience. we write music that reflects us...and we are teens.

AP: Why do so many people have this opinion of the band that you're cocky,
undeserving, overrated, frauds, or anything like that? Do you have any idea why you have this huge target painted on your backs?
SH: A lot of things have happened so fast for us...and we have kept to ourselves. we have never taken the time to give our side of the story...a lot of the reason why we haven't is just because so many of these rumors are so far fetched we just don't even want to give them the time of day.. i mean such as... the thing about us getting HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to start a band..!?!? come onnnn.. hahaa i mean how could that make any sense at all. we are a van band. if we had that kind of money a lot of things would change...for instance...Jeff and i would have matching grillz that read 'Shaantastic and Zum Man'.

AP: I hate using this term with a passion, but the question was asked. Do you think you're "indie" or "scene" as a band? I guess the first question should be, what is your definition of "scene" and then do you think CIWWAF fits it? Does it matter at all to you guys or your fans whether you are or not?
SH: I don't have a definition for the word 'scene' by any means. we are what we are and we do what we do. i don't mean to be short on this answer but there isn't much else to say on the subject. each person has a way they are and some bands are composed of similar personalities.
(i don't know what else to say)

AP: What sort of touring can we expect from you after the Anberlin shows that are upcoming? Anything overseas as well?
We will be headlining in the north east with Forgive Durden, All Time Low and Boys Like Girls for about two weeks to coincide with our record release. and we will be doing about 2 weeks with June, Spitalfield, Valencia, and Lydia that will bring us to the westcoast once again....after that we will hit up the full US with Paramore, Hit The Lights and This Providence on the 'Fueled By Ramen & Friends' tour from August - September...then the UK for a little bit. A lot more is planned but isn't in being announced just yet.

AP: Shaant, does all that hair in your face get itchy?
SH: noooppe. i suppose i am just used to it by now.

AP: What CDs have you been listening to lately?
SH: Forgive Durden 'Wonderland', The Outline 'You Smash It, We'll Build Around It', Kanye West 'Late Registration', The Format 'Dog Problems', and the new This Providence record is AMAZING! I can't stop spinning it.

AP: Is there anything else you would like to add to Absolutepunk's readers? And thank you very much for taking the time to answer all of these questions.
SH: I just want to say thank you for everything. I dreamed of someday being on this site when i was in 8th grade...haha i remember the sound of the dial up modem just logging on and the first site i would punch in would always be Absolutepunk.net. Although i dreamed of the feedback being a little differently buuuut none the less...it's still super amazing that you guys have made the site what it is today. thanks for giving bands like mine a chance.

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Part II: Absolutepunk's Interview with Matt Squire

AP: How did you get started working with Cute Is What We Aim For?
Matt Squire: John (Janick) from FBR sent me a demo and I really dug it---it was “Teasin to Please”---I contacted Shaant and we started talking about Cute’s vision and I got really excited about it. I knew right away that that we could make a great record together.

AP: Did you record the demos with them and then agree to do the album afterwards? Or did you work them both out at once?
MS: I never did demos with Cute—just the record.
Interviewer's Note: I was misinformed on this point; someone suggested it and I did not double-check if Squire recorded the demos or not. A guy in Buffalo named Mike Brylinski actually is credited for producing the demos.

AP: What exactly is autotune and how does it work? Does it ever make a CD sound bad if used too much?
MS: Auto tune is a computer program for vocal editing. It helps vocals to sound more in tune. It works by detecting the notes that someone sings and then “moving” those notes to perfect pitch. I use the “graphical” mode of auto tune—the program shows me one line that is the actual vocal performance and another line that is the “desired” pitch. I can then choose what words I want to tune and to what degree. To answer the second question, it depends on the technique and how often it’s used.

AP: How often did you use it on Cute Is What We Aim For’s upcoming album, The Same Old Blood Rush With A New Touch? Was this more or less than normal? MS: I use the same technique on all the records that I make---it is very time consuming because I like the singers to sound natural and not computerized. So I go through word by word and decide which notes to tune and which to not--Shaant has such a cool, unique style to his vocals and I wanted to preserve that while accenting the melodies and harmonies with auto tune rather than make them feel mechanical or robotic. His performances were spot on—the auto tune just helped them to sit in the mix with the guitars a little better and it tightened up the harmonies.

AP: Can you talk about the recording process as a whole—just an overview and what you did to the album after it was done being recorded (and how that compares to other bands you’ve worked with to give our readers a reference point)?
MS: Cute wanted to make a very natural sounding record---we spent a lot of time in preproduction getting the record arranged right. Contrary to some of the rumours, the band wrote every song on the record. There was no outside songwriting help. After preproduction, we tracked drums---On most records, I usually “beat detective” the drums, which is a technique used to make drums perfectly in time. However, on this record, I didn’t use beat detective cause we wanted to preserve the “groove” of Tom’s drumming. After that was bass and guitars during the days and vocals at night---I like to stagger instruments so that every song can have a unique feel. After we finished tracking, I prepared the mix---On most records, at this time, I “trigger” the drums, which is a technique that I use to “thicken up” the drum sound. However, CIWWAF was very opposed to using triggers so I did not use them on the record—it was a fun challenge to make the drums sound punchy without them and I am glad the band pushed me on this issue. Mix prep is also when I used auto tune. After the editing stage, I started mixing—I spent several days doing “first drafts” of the record and then I asked for comments from the label and band. I incorporated the comments, finalized the mixes and sent the record off to mastering---Hearing the record done for the first time was a great feeling----So much hard work went into making it and I am really excited about the end result.

AP: Did you kick anyone out of the studio during the recording process?
MS: No.

AP: Can you talk a little bit about the dilemma that makes producing an album so hard—it’s always between making a band sound as good as it possibly can and making them sound manufactured or have an album that they can’t possibly repeat in a live setting. How do you keep the music sounding good but also doable in concert?
MS: It’s always hard to find a balance between what is going to sound good in a recording and what is going to sound good live—as a producer, I just try and make the best decisions to achieve that balance. When a band plays live, their stage presence can drive a point home. But that doesn’t translate to the recorded medium, so maybe it’s a guitar overdub or a backup vocal. I believe that you need some of that stuff to create dynamics in a song but I try not to go overboard.

AP: Is there anything else you’d like to explain that I’ve missed? Anything you’d like to say to the readers at Absolutepunk?
MS: This record was a real pleasure for me to make---I’m really proud of it and i’m really excited for people to hear it. I’d also like to say a really big thank you to the absolute punk community for their support. I really appreciate it!

poppa Q

06/16/06, 11:25 PM

I look forward to reading this.

lightcollapse

06/16/06, 11:41 PM

this was a great interview. CIWWAF just moved up 100000 notches in my book.

cubmatt2

06/16/06, 11:43 PM

pretty much what you would expect them to say

Scott Weber

06/16/06, 11:47 PM

he's certainly got a lot of nice things to say about the new this providence record.

Tony Pascarella

06/16/06, 11:48 PM

he's certainly got a lot of nice things to say about the new this providence record.Yeah, that really intrigued me. September is too far away, man.

Nowisnotthetime

06/16/06, 11:55 PM

WSUskee

06/16/06, 11:56 PM

Very well done interview. They seemed like fine tuned pros with their answers.

Blake Solomon

06/16/06, 11:59 PM

good interview. I think you worded the questions in a very non-confrontational way and really got some good answers. Im glad they were given a real chance to tell their story and put an end to the crazy rumours. They also moved up in my book, too.

mogwaifearsatan

06/17/06, 12:00 AM

Not too bad. He at least seems to have his shit mildly together.

IcedOpethBlind

06/17/06, 12:01 AM

overoverme

06/17/06, 12:07 AM

shaant seems genuine.
i think he may turn alot of inital naysayers to actually check the band out.

Anyone that has ever met Shaant in person can attest to how genuine the guy is.
When I met him again at Bamboozle he recognized me as 'the kid that posted on AP about them being signed to FBR' after I had seen them and Shaant hinted at the label 'its like drive-thru but not'.
I was amused.

I'm seeing them Wednesday.
I have been listening to the cd all day.
It came out pretty good, I think.

I definately can't stand the overuse of the word 'gent' though.
I should have asked that...but I will ask Shaant myself about it.

He uses terms like 'bro down' and stuff. (But is embarrassed to admit it)
I can't see him saying gent. Its just weird.

MakeDamnSure

06/17/06, 12:24 AM

Tony, those are excellent questions. They were very well-worded and they addressed most of the issues surrounding the band. I like how they were dogged, but not incredibly confrontational. As always, I love your work.

As far as the answers, I dislike the grammar, punctuation, and word choice in some places. However, as far as substance, Shaant comes off incredibly nice and an all-around good guy. So many people have been horrid to this band on this site, and he had a great attitude with this interview. I will find it funny how easily people will stick to their rumors instead of what they've been told point blank.

P.S. The person that said "we hate you because of your insincerity and atrocious live show", who are you to doubt their sincerity? They play what they like, they write what they like, and you don't seem to know them. Forgive them for your misconceptions. People don't hate them because of their live show. Plenty of fans on here seem to love tons of bands with horrid live shows. So, that generalization holds no weight. I address this to you, but you probably won't read it. People on these threads tend to just look for their name in quote boxes, and not at other posts.

skeeter988

06/17/06, 12:37 AM

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 12:38 AM

The CD's already available at the Fueled By Ramen merch booth at Warped and I picked it up yesterday. Definitely a huge guilty pleasure. I like! Enjoyable interview.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:03 AM

he's certainly got a lot of nice things to say about the new this providence record.

Bad bands like bad bands I guess? I dunno.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 01:08 AM

Bad bands like bad bands I guess? I dunno.
I think you're actually going to dig the new TP. It's a lot different than the old stuff.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:08 AM

So Jason just made everything up? I highly doubt that and I think very few people on ap.net think that Jason would ask those questions without having good cause. The bassist flatout lied about the autotune thing. People can try to say he may not have known but anyone who's ever been in a studio knows that if you're going to use autotune, it's discussed with the whole band beforehand. As far as I'm concerned, this band is a total fraud, regardless of which specifics are true. There's enough from what they themselves have said that make me say they don't deserve my cd or merch money.

Oh, and no one hates you for how quickly you became a known name. People hate you because you come off incredibly insincere and your live show is an atrocity.
I didn't make anything up - I asked the questions because they were questions EVERYONE wanted to know - I thought that was the role of a "journalist" or whatever. That said, I know from sources I trust that some of the shit in this interview is flat out a lie.

For starters - the bass player LIED about writing that email for half a day - you can read the thread where I responded and see their tour manager try and cover for him in his posts.

Whatever, I could care less - I just wanna warn people to stay away from this CD; it's not good (IMO), and it's not made for the right reasons or by people who deserve this (or any) success. That said, it'll probably sell 2 million copies, which is a shame. I just wish other artists had the $ and marketing machine behind them...

I wasn't sure how I felt on them as people as a whole, until I talked to recent tour/label mates of the band - a group that almost "beat up" Shaant for his disparaging comments about them.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:08 AM

I think you're actually going to dig the new TP.
I've heard it ... it sounds like a band ripping off Forgive Durden while they're ripping off Gatsbys, all with bad production and bad vocals.

You Got Owned

06/17/06, 01:10 AM

i reeeaaallllyyy wanna listen to this providence's new shit...

You Got Owned

06/17/06, 01:12 AM

I've heard it ... it sounds like a band ripping off Forgive Durden while they're ripping off Gatsbys, all with bad production and bad vocals.
jason
you stop that right now

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:13 AM

jason
you stop that right now
Stop what? Saying that SeattleCaseyBatesCore needs to stop making the same CD over and over again? It's getting old, and it's nothing that good, it's just about the exact opposite of my musical taste.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:22 AM

Nual09

06/17/06, 01:22 AM

the whole conterversy surrounding CIWWAF is dumb. kids who haven't spent any time in a recording studio shouldn't go talking shit about things they don't understand, ie autotune. it is a common tool that the majority of bands use nowadays w/ the whole computerized protools way of producing these new rock records.

people shouldn't hold strong opinions on things they don't understand.

more power to CIWWAF, they just want to write catchy songs and tour

Tony Pascarella

06/17/06, 01:23 AM

I didn't make anything up - I asked the questions because they were questions EVERYONE wanted to know - I thought that was the role of a "journalist" or whatever. That said, I know from sources I trust that some of the shit in this interview is flat out a lie.

For starters - the bass player LIED about writing that email for half a day - you can read the thread where I responded and see their tour manager try and cover for him in his posts.

Whatever, I could care less - I just wanna warn people to stay away from this CD; it's not good (IMO), and it's not made for the right reasons or by people who deserve this (or any) success. That said, it'll probably sell 2 million copies, which is a shame. I just wish other artists had the $ and marketing machine behind them...

I wasn't sure how I felt on them as people as a whole, until I talked to recent tour/label mates of the band - a group that almost "beat up" Shaant for his disparaging comments about them.Based on sales numbers lately, if this album sells more than 250,000 copies by December 20th, 2006, I will buy a crappy band shirt of your choice, take a picture of myself in it, and make it my profile pic for 6 months.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:26 AM

lightcollapse

06/17/06, 01:28 AM

for some reason all bands on indie labels except for panic! have been selling like shit lately. or thats what it seems like.

Cue the Sun

06/17/06, 01:31 AM

Good interview, but I still don't like this band very much...

bigmike

06/17/06, 01:50 AM

shaant seems genuine.
i think he may turn alot of inital naysayers to actually check the band out.

note: i'm not incredibly into this band or anything, but i respect those that respect their craft, so CIWWAF move up a few ticks in my book.
I can't get into the band but they did move up a bit more in my book, as well. It's not like i thought this band was a total fraud to begin with, but they seem like respectable, young kids, just trying to make a record they really love. whether I like it or not is beyond the point -- no one should villify some kids that caught a break or two and can do what they love full time.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:53 AM

I can't get into the band but they did move up a bit more in my book, as well. It's not like i thought this band was a total fraud to begin with, but they seem like respectable, young kids, just trying to make a record they really love. whether I like it or not is beyond the point -- no one should villify some kids that caught a break or two and can do what they love full time.
Grrr.. I'm thinking of interviewing so many people now just to get the other side out there. It bums me that people buy into this ...

skeeter988

06/17/06, 01:53 AM

I wasn't sure how I felt on them as people as a whole, until I talked to recent tour/label mates of the band - a group that almost "beat up" Shaant for his disparaging comments about them.
punchline?

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 01:55 AM

Disclaimer: I am in (and have been in) a horrible mood for the past month or so ... just ignore me, check out the music, realize it sucks or you like it or whatever, and buy or don't buy it based on that - not me. Thanks.
I think I need to buy you a beer. Fat Tire? Bridgeport Ropewalk? I'm drinking one right now and it's delicious.

Jamie Pham

06/17/06, 01:56 AM

cool

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 01:59 AM

punchline?
humdidumdidum...

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 02:03 AM

I think I need to buy you a beer. Fat Tire? Bridgeport Ropewalk? I'm drinking one right now and it's delicious.
no.more.alcohol. my liver can't take it.

skeeter988

06/17/06, 02:03 AM

humdidumdidum...really? wow thats funny at the show shaant was like it is such an honor to not only be on tour with punchline but on the same label

Tony Pascarella

06/17/06, 02:06 AM

Grrr.. I'm thinking of interviewing so many people now just to get the other side out there. It bums me that people buy into this ...Do it, please. I'd love to read it.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 02:10 AM

no.more.alcohol. my liver can't take it.
a beer a day keeps diabetes away

true story

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 02:14 AM

tate's just adding to his level of douche bagness with his comments. absolutely disgusting

MCSmate

06/17/06, 02:15 AM

this was a good interview. i liked it

SlowDescent

06/17/06, 02:22 AM

i hope this album bombs....fuck shannt and his black nail polish....fuckin ***....try bustin ur ass on the road for 5 yrs....what a prick that guy is...and a fuckin liar...

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 02:29 AM

really? wow thats funny at the show shaant was like it is such an honor to not only be on tour with punchline but on the same label

That's been my whole point, what's said to "fans" and what's said behind the scenes is totally different.

Do it, please. I'd love to read it.

I may, but to be honest - I just don't care anymore. It's not important, and it doesn't help us, or the music scene to get involved in this shit. I am just bummed that bands like Acceptance break up, bands like Sherwood stay unsigned, and bands like CIWWAF have so much handed to them on a platter.

a beer a day keeps diabetes away

true story

Interesting. Adult onset will be the death of me ...

tate's just adding to his level of douche bagness with his comments. absolutely disgusting

Having an opinion on a matter sure is disgusting! I'm sorry that some people caught me in a bad mood, but I feel like shit and have had a rough few weeks - so I'm not all roses and candy at the moment. I have pent up anger and aggresion with no real outlet at the moment. In a week or so, I bet you see a completely different "Jason" around here - one that's not angry at the world and expressing his distaste for certain albums. The irony is that so many people get mad when I don't talk about the bands I dislike, and so many get mad when I do. I am expressing my feelings on this topic (CIWWAF) because people expect me to and are curious as to my thoughts. So I am letting them out there (and I made the crack to Scott because he is BatesxCore to the max and I like giving him shit about it).

Am I an asshole? Yes. I was always the first to admit this. That's the difference between me, you, this band, and others on this board. I don't hide behind anything - I am who I am, and I take responsibility for the right and wrong things I say. So sit behind your little mask of a username and talk as much shit as you want. Your words don't make the music any better.

You Got Owned

06/17/06, 02:37 AM

Could this be the end of AbsolutePunk.net?!?!?!
tune in next time on dragonball-z

staticandclarity

06/17/06, 03:55 AM

acceptance are breaking up??

shes.a.ghost

06/17/06, 04:05 AM

acceptance are breaking up??

I second this question

themostdeplete

06/17/06, 04:06 AM

i dont care how nice this band is, cause the songs on their purevolume....still suck.

blane

06/17/06, 04:14 AM

acceptance are breaking up??

i heard about that a few weeks ago at a party, but didn't believe it. i really hope not.

ilovebsb

06/17/06, 06:11 AM

AP: Is there anything else you would like to add to Absolutepunk's readers? And thank you very much for taking the time to answer all of these questions.
SH: I just want to say thank you for everything. I dreamed of someday being on this site when i was in 8th grade...haha i remember the sound of the dial up modem just logging on and the first site i would punch in would always be Absolutepunk.net. Although i dreamed of the feedback being a little differently buuuut none the less...it's still super amazing that you guys have made the site what it is today. thanks for giving bands like mine a chance.

haha i totally feel the same way about that. i wanabe in a band that makes it to ap.net. even though i've never spoken to anyone in the staff it would be so awsome to become a cd reviewer for this website. i think i'd do a good job at :) but yeah, good job on the interview. it was awsome.

YourMusicSucks

06/17/06, 07:15 AM

It was a pleasant surprise to sign online this morning and find this.

I always liked this band musically (good pop is my weakness) and it's nice to have some of the rumors cleared up.

Gotta respect them for doing this... but not as much as I'm gonna respect Aiden haha. There are plenty of kids on here who love CIWWAF. Aiden.. not so much.

get2sammyb

06/17/06, 07:29 AM

So let me get this straight - everyone is getting on CIWWAF's back because they used some auto tune?

Auto tune is used on like virtually all records?

As a producer the producer has to decide whether he wants to have a good raw performance with some sections out of tune (pitch correction is applied to fix these) OR to have a poor performance in tune. Usually the producer will decide on a good performance with the bum notes he can fix in Melodyne or whatever.

bubonic311

06/17/06, 07:36 AM

Well that was a nice last minute example of damage control.

Mitch

06/17/06, 08:11 AM

That was a great interview. I might check out their music...

Katie Schmitz

06/17/06, 08:15 AM

Their music is catchy, and I'm a sucker for catchiness

mike l

06/17/06, 08:21 AM

Oh, and no one hates you for how quickly you became a known name. People hate you because you come off incredibly insincere and your live show is an atrocity.

have you ever heard of the band panic! at the disco? and don't give me the it's cuz they kicked out their bassist crap cuz everyone except high school girls and kids who enjoy dance pop hated this band before the bassist ordeal

TheGoodnightMoon

06/17/06, 08:28 AM

i heard about that a few weeks ago at a party, but didn't believe it. i really hope not.

What. the. fuck. I hope this is not true, and weren't they in the middle of recording?

OveriseFan

06/17/06, 08:41 AM

Well it's good to see they won't be taking (as much) shit from people on here anymore...

There's always going to be the assholes, but at least the story's straight now.

P.S. Fred was kidding about them really getting half a million, for those who wondered...

OveriseFan

06/17/06, 08:49 AM

I still don't get it...

Why the hell do you care how big they got and how fast?

This makes me nervous of the possibility of bands I love working their asses off now, no one caring about them, then if they suddenly get signed and on a national tour, everyone would say they're little bitches who did no work.

That pisses me off, believe me. Music is music, if you don't like it, fine, but don't talk shit on a band for getting lucky.

bid

06/17/06, 09:00 AM

AP: Did the label give you an advance anywhere in that ballpark?
SH: nope, we weren't given an advance from FBR. We were given a tour support fund just like every band on the label...but that’s it.

Warner Chappell.

(Hopefully someone understands that.)

losethegirl

06/17/06, 09:26 AM

Good interview Tony. I applaud you.

I support this band. They are nice kids.

straylighthaste

06/17/06, 09:35 AM

wait, acceptance is over?? please just let it be a rumor!

permanentdan

06/17/06, 09:55 AM

humdidumdidum...

i didnt like them before, but just that simple fact makes me dislike them that much more. im good friends with the guys in punchline, and they have done nothing but work their asses off to get where they are, and they still dont get the recognition or promotion they deserve. it must be nice having all the promoters behind you, while some of the other bands have to make the lowest budget videos possible suuport themselves on tour, and make their own way

i would have loved to have seen that headline.

that being said, i will still give the cd a listen, because i cant help but give any band the benefit of the doubt, but even after seeing them live i thought the same thing as a few other people have said. they do sound like a less talented rocket summer vocally, but musically there is just nothing special from what i have. nothing to get all worked up about anyway

zizou1790

06/17/06, 09:59 AM

great interview

JEM IV

06/17/06, 09:59 AM

pretty much what you would expect them to say

yup. insert *obligatory* comments here. when I saw Shaant leaving after their performance at Bamboozle, he had been backstage for 30 minutes after his set was done and he kept racing out of the backstage area with his hoodie over his head b/c i'm guessing he was "concerned" he may get mobbed by all of his fans and he need to "cover up" his identity. and trailing behind him of course were 4 15 year old girls too! woohoo! :o) go 15 year olds

zizou1790

06/17/06, 10:01 AM

humdidumdidum...

thats intresting... the day of the show i went to i went out to lunch with Chris (punchline) and Shaant no bad blood at all

mike l

06/17/06, 10:14 AM

you obviously weren't at the cute tent on sunday or the fbr tent on saturday cuz shaant was hanging out the entire time.

Smithers

06/17/06, 10:22 AM

acceptance are breaking up??

yeah wait a second. jason, did you let the cat outta the bag? or were you just making an example?

CWeezer

06/17/06, 10:28 AM

i really enjoyed that interview. i like this band and after meeting shaant i was, and still am, really taken aback at the way people attack him. he was incredibly nice to me. i thought this was a well done interview and i'm happy it was still posted despite the drama.

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 10:36 AM

Having an opinion on a matter sure is disgusting! I'm sorry that some people caught me in a bad mood, but I feel like shit and have had a rough few weeks - so I'm not all roses and candy at the moment. I have pent up anger and aggresion with no real outlet at the moment. In a week or so, I bet you see a completely different "Jason" around here - one that's not angry at the world and expressing his distaste for certain albums. The irony is that so many people get mad when I don't talk about the bands I dislike, and so many get mad when I do. I am expressing my feelings on this topic (CIWWAF) because people expect me to and are curious as to my thoughts. So I am letting them out there (and I made the crack to Scott because he is BatesxCore to the max and I like giving him shit about it).

Am I an asshole? Yes. I was always the first to admit this. That's the difference between me, you, this band, and others on this board. I don't hide behind anything - I am who I am, and I take responsibility for the right and wrong things I say. So sit behind your little mask of a username and talk as much shit as you want. Your words don't make the music any better.

yeah well you're still a shit talking ****** in my opinion. who also looks like the biggest fuckin goon in the world.

joeshmoe909

06/17/06, 11:04 AM

Good interview. Ill pick up the album and give it a chance, their stuf so far is catchy. Also cant wait for This Providence as well.

kimmm13

06/17/06, 11:19 AM

im very confused. why is everyone saying Cute is a 'fraud'. like i just flat out dont understand. is it because everyone thinks they use autotune or whatever?? does everyone think he cant sing or something? is that the reason this is being called a fraud? because, i mean, he obviously sings. go to one their shows. and he's actually pretty good at it. it sounds the same there as it does on the album. so yea, if someone feels like explaining. please do so.

ps: this was a good interview. i wasnt even aware of these rumors. i was just enjoying the music. i feel terrible thinking that Shaant is probably reading these disgusting comments people left. how many of you people can honestly say that you have a good band, play good music, are successfull, doing what you love, and have a full length album coming out on Fueled By Ramen?? not many, thank you. i'm just not understanding the whole controversy.

Cue the Sun

06/17/06, 11:22 AM

I thought Acceptance was recording... no?

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 11:34 AM

leftstranded

06/17/06, 11:56 AM

i liked the interview. especially the part with matt. very insitefull

leftstranded

06/17/06, 12:06 PM

yeah well you're still a shit talking ****** in my opinion. who also looks like the biggest fuckin goon in the world.
stop talking. please

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 12:30 PM

Plus Danny:

I no longer respect your opinion.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 12:33 PM

ParanoiAttack

06/17/06, 12:35 PM

great interview.

and whatever anyone here says, this is a great record.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 12:36 PM

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 12:37 PM

great interview.

and whatever anyone here says, this is a great record.
The bar for using the term "great" has been lowered severely.

New Morrissey = GREAT record.
New Living End = GREAT record.
New Latterman = GREAT record.
New Rise Against = GREAT record.
New Kevin Devine = GREAT record.

New CIWWAF = NOT GREAT record.

ParanoiAttack

06/17/06, 12:41 PM

I no longer respect your musical opinion.

well the guy has a point. i think you're being a tad unfair to CIWWAF and should probably be a little more impartial in the position you're in.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 12:44 PM

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 12:50 PM

stop talking. please

fuck you as well. keep suckin tate's dick

ParanoiAttack

06/17/06, 12:51 PM

well, I really enjoy the Sherwood EP. But I don't see how their take on pop-rock, indie-pop, whatever you want to call it is any better or more respectable than Cute's, due to lack of particular hairstyles or Wentzian lyrics. Ok. you might know some more stuff than there rest of us do. I respect that. But like, are this band really hurting anyone? As far as I can tell, they make very enjoyable and catchy pop songs, they're no geniuses, but they'd probably say that themselves. This is a solid debut, with a bunch of truely stand out tracks. So aside from your personal vendetta, and a few points the band have 'lied' about (what, being in a band to get famous? what were the chances that they'd make it big, and not be written off as a rip off? not very big. not every band emulating the big trend at the moment makes it big) what's really your problem? can you not just give the band a bit of a break? this is their first record, and theyre in their teens. And they made a GREAT cd. Yeah.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 12:55 PM

I no longer respect your musical opinion.

I'd probably be worried if you did, so thank you.

I agree PA. They're young, their debut record isn't even "released" yet, and we don't know how many bands have lied to us and how many bands and people could be lying to you. I'd really like to see that interview with everyone who's said what the Cute guys have done with them to see how many people put their balls on record. This isn't what the music is about, but this is what some people are making it about, so lets just go all the way. If you don't really care, just drop it here too.

8:17am

06/17/06, 01:00 PM

well the guy has a point. i think you're being a tad unfair to CIWWAF and should probably be a little more impartial in the position you're in.
Has a point? How does he have a point?

And I am not impartial, what do you want me to say? The band is flat out lying to everyone. And it bothers me that this kind of band would sell more than one record.
Tate doesn't really have an obligation to be impartial. He runs a website that is centered around music, a website which, I may add, also promotes the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions. If he doesn't like the music, what do you want him to do, lie about it? Or just not mention it? If he doesn't like members of a band, does he not have the right to voice that opinion? As do you, or I, or anyone else here. Tate says he has information about this band which will prove that they aren't the well intentioned musicians they paint themselves out to be. Weither or not he wants to share said information is his decision. I personally would like to see it happen, but we can't always get what we want. If we could, Jessica Alba would be at my house right now, while I was doing jello shots and watching her please me...

Back to my point. The First Amendment is alive and well, enjoy it...

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 01:08 PM

Oh yes, forgot about you asking how I had a point. If you don't see it, you're either really biased or a definitive idiot. The former seems like the most likely candidate. Completely avoiding it seems to work as well though. I'm not really making a debate there and I said that both bands have fun pop music, but I like Cute a little more because the lyrics are a little more interesting.

kimmm13

06/17/06, 01:09 PM

Search for all "Cute is What We Aim For" news on AP - and then read it all - you'll find what we're talking about.

i searched all Cute news. and im not finding anything ? idk

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 01:15 PM

To whom was that addressed?

Mr. Tate. Thank you for asking sir.

Bosnia

06/17/06, 01:16 PM

Bad bands like bad bands I guess? I dunno.
you're an asshole. :)

8:17am

06/17/06, 01:17 PM

Mr. Tate. Thank you for asking sir.

As soon as I realize you were asking Tate and delete my post asking the question this appears.

My bad.

kimmm13

06/17/06, 01:32 PM

OHHHHH WAIT. is this Cute 'news' you want me to look up reffering to the personal email that Fred sent you and you posted in the questions section?? because to me, thats not news, that was just the bassist of cute telling you off, while setting the record straight. i just don't understand why everyone is picking on CUTE IS WHAT WE AIM FOR!! i mean not to take anything away from them..i love them. but comeon. there are really bad bands and scandals and such going on out there in a much bigger scene than this, that deserve this negative attention much more than cute is what we aim for. i don't know. i hate like message board drama and shit, so im done. but like, no matter how much you say and stuff, they're still going to sell so many cds and kids are still gonna come out to shows. i guess i just find it weird how or why you care so much. but whatever. to each his own.

melvicious

06/17/06, 01:32 PM

hmmm

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 02:56 PM

you're an asshole. :)
I know.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 02:56 PM

imlame.

06/17/06, 03:02 PM

bad interview.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 03:08 PM

Jason Tate, I'm GLAD you know you're an asshole. You're right when you say you're allowed to have an opinion, but when you resort to calling the band "bad" and making fun of them, this is not an opinion. This is childish behavior. Why don't you just grow up already? Stop badmouthing CIWWAF. Have you even MET them? They're wonderful individuals who love their fans. Ok, so maybe Frad shouldn't have lied about writing the letter, but jeeze! Everyone makes mistakes! You do too, Mr. Tate. You're not God (or whatever deity, if any, exists). So stop dogging them for making mistakes. They're KIDS, for goodness sake!

Indiepowell

06/17/06, 03:14 PM

cant we all get along?

swiper

06/17/06, 03:19 PM

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 03:29 PM

Cute is What We Aim For>Sherwood=The Click Five

I don't know how anyone could defend Sherwood (standardized pop with "scene beards") and hate on Cute music/lyrics in the same breath. Just because they're packaged to look indie doesn't make them any better. Cute's music and lyrics are more interesting and unique than that. That said, I take "music" as is and just listen to what I enjoy and both of these bands are pure fun for me.

But I adore Acceptance. That better not be true.
Fuck that, dude. The guys in Sherwood are all like 22 or more...Nate is 25. They've been doing this for years, they all have college degrees, and they're THE hardest working band around. They've paid their dues, they write songs that make them happy, and they are so un-scene it's funny. They grow beards because they don't care...their image isn't the most marketable thing in the world and they don't care. Cute hasn't paid their dues, is incredibly young and image driven, and their music sucks. Period.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 03:41 PM

Fuck that, dude. The guys in Sherwood are all like 22 or more...Nate is 25. They've been doing this for years, they all have college degrees, and they're THE hardest working band around. They've paid their dues, they write songs that make them happy, and they are so un-scene it's funny. They grow beards because they don't care...their image isn't the most marketable thing in the world and they don't care. Cute hasn't paid their dues, is incredibly young and image driven, and their music sucks. Period.

How long they've been playing? I don't care. How hard they won't? I don't care. Paid dues? I don't care. Age of musicians? I don't care. Images? I don't care. Music? That's what I'm here for. There are a ton of older, hard-working, dues-paid, image-free, degree-carrying musicians that are mediocre or just plain suck. Who says that Cute didn't work hard to get where they are, how do you know they're "image driven", and how do you know the songs they write don't make them happy? I think saying things are "scene" or not is the dumbest thing ever and I used that comment earlier as a joke. You like Sherwood? Cool, so do I. As a band Jason mentioned that deserved it more and another indie pop band, the comparison was made. Fuck that indeed.

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 03:43 PM

no.more.alcohol. my liver can't take it.
Come out to the Amber Pacific/All Time Low tour and I'll buy you a beer.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 03:51 PM

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 03:57 PM

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 03:59 PM

How long they've been playing? I don't care. How hard they won't? I don't care. Paid dues? I don't care. Age of musicians? I don't care. Images? I don't care. Music? That's what I'm here for. There are a ton of older, hard-working, dues-paid, image-free, degree-carrying musicians that are mediocre or just plain suck. Who says that Cute didn't work hard to get where they are, how do you know they're "image driven", and how do you know the songs they write don't make them happy? I think saying things are "scene" or not is the dumbest thing ever and I used that comment earlier as a joke. You like Sherwood? Cool, so do I. As a band Jason mentioned that deserved it more and another indie pop band, the comparison was made. Fuck that indeed.
I know they're image driven because I talk to people and know what goes on behind the scenes. It's not like I'm making this shit up.

Why do you think Fred was REALLY kicked out of the band before they signed with FBR? IT WAS ALL IMAGE. This is directly from a member of the band.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:01 PM

Come out to the Amber Pacific/All Time Low tour and I'll buy you a beer.
Ok.

iihungrieii

06/17/06, 04:02 PM

excellent interview

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:07 PM

Why are girls the only ones backing this band up anymore? And stop assuming I have to meet some shitty band to know their music is bad.

So what if I am a fucking girl? I'll have you know I'm not standing up for the band just because I think "LyKe OMGZZZ HeS So HaWtt! LoLZ!!!" I'm not in love with any of the guys, I just respect them as musicians. Obviously you don't know how to treat people with respect, Mr. Tate, because that was very rude to say that the only reason I'm standing up for CIWWAF is because I'm a girl.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 04:08 PM

While we're getting the full stories on everything, can someone get the full story from both sides on this almost-fight between Dan of Sherwood and Jared Leto? Evidently, Sherwood's "scene" enough to start drama, eh? They have something *else* in common with Cute afterall. ;)
You should try reading the comments in that thread. I'll find it...

Leto and 30 Seconds were playing on stage and Sherwood was next. Leto broke a string and said that he was going to start the song over. Dan was in the crowd and gave Leto a "wtf" look - just a look - (as it was cutting into sherwood's upcoming set), and Leto, not knowing Dan was up next, said "Go back to England, you fat cunt." After each 30 seconds song, Leto proceeded to yell at Dan multiple times, including "I'd like to see you come up here with your band..." Hahaha. So finally Dan and Sherwood get up there and play and Leto with a crew of like 60 kids come up DURING Sherwood's set like they're looking for a fight and security pushes them apart. Then later on, Leto and Sherwood kissed and made up, but nonetheless hilarious. Bam Margera was backstage and the band was convinced a Royal Rumble was about to go down.
Anyways, Sherwood >>>>>> CIWWAF in every single aspect.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:10 PM

So what if I am a fucking girl? I'll have you know I'm not standing up for the band just because I think "LyKe OMGZZZ HeS So HaWtt! LoLZ!!!" I'm not in love with any of the guys, I just respect them as musicians. Obviously you don't know how to treat people with respect, Mr. Tate, because that was very rude to say that the only reason I'm standing up for CIWWAF is because I'm a girl.
I'm just hinting at that being the reason .. not actually saying it.

People earn respect, they aren't given it because they are signed to a record deal and have someone help them write their songs (which at least 2 sources have told me is the case).

AlexLikestoRock

06/17/06, 04:10 PM

i like shaant a lot. good guy. really sweet. :]

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:12 PM

Anyways, Sherwood >>>>>> CIWWAF in every single aspect.

That was my original point when I brought them up.

As people, musicians, lyric writers, hard workers, etc. etc. etc.

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 04:13 PM

Ok.
And maybe you can come on the bus as well.

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 04:14 PM

Why are girls the only ones backing this band up anymore? And stop assuming I have to meet some shitty band to know their music is bad.
I'll back this band up until they give me a reason not to.

I don't like their music, at all, and I never have, but as people and a musical entity, I've got no reason to have any sort of grudge against them.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:14 PM

And maybe you can come on the bus as well.
Are you trying to seduce me?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:15 PM

I'll back this band up until they give me a reason not to.

I don't like their music, at all, and I never have, but as people and a musical entity, I've got no reason to have any sort of grudge against them.
Man, being so close with ATL, you'd think you'd know a little bit more about somethings on this topic.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:15 PM

I'm just hinting at that being the reason .. not actually saying it.

People earn respect, they aren't given it because they can "secure" a record deal and have someone help them write their songs (which at least 2 sources have told me is the case).

Hmm... and who are these "sources"? Because for all you know they could be bullshitting you.

CIWWAF HAS earned MY respect, because they've worked their asses off to get where they are, and just because they gained success in a faster amount of time than most bands, you have to assume that they were just handed their record deal?

And stop hinting at things you don't know, idiot.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:21 PM

Hmm... and who are these "sources"? Because for all you know they could be bullshitting you.

CIWWAF HAS earned MY respect, because they've worked their asses off to get where they are, and just because they gained success in a faster amount of time than most bands, you have to assume that they were just handed their record deal?

And stop hinting at things you don't know, idiot.

Yes, because I'm going to name my sources. Hahahaha. And that's why I have multiple ones, because one person could be bullshiting me - 2 or 3 collaborations; however, lead me to believe differently.

Worked their asses off? OMG. How? How have they worked their asses off? You don't understand what it means to really "work your ass off" as a band apparently.

I'm not hinting at things I don't know, I'm hinting at things YOU don't know. But if you're so close with the band, you may want to ask if Fred has been added to the record contract yet.

kitkatsuperstar

06/17/06, 04:25 PM

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:28 PM

Yes, because I'm going to name my sources. Hahahaha. And that's why I have multiple ones, because one person could be bullshiting me - 2 or 3 collaborations; however, lead me to believe differently.

Worked their asses off? OMG. How? How have they worked their asses off? You don't understand what it means to really "work your ass off" as a band apparently.

I'm not hinting at things I don't know, I'm hinting at things YOU don't know. But if you're so close with the band, you may want to ask if Fred has been added to the record contract yet.

OBVIOUSLY you haven't read this interview very well, Jason.
"AP: Did you actually get $500,000 to start a band from your parents?
SH: hahaha...noooo. our parents have helped us out with the little things here and there. but i had been working for 3 years up until getting signed in which i was saving money so that i could provide for recording costs in the beginning. so all of the initial demoing came out of my personal pocket.

AP: Did the label give you an advance anywhere in that ballpark?
SH: nope, we weren't given an advance from FBR. We were given a tour support fund just like every band on the label...but that’s it.

AP: Was this band just started to get famous?
SH: we started the band just because we all knew each other and we had a common love for music. we had no idea that this band would get the breaks that it has gotten. we know we are the luckiest bunch of kids...but we just wanted to go out and make music we loved. of course all of us dreamed of really making it one day. everyone in a band dreams of pursuing their music on a professional level but you can't be in a band just to get famous because where is the inspiration in that? how can you sleep on floors and play in front of 2 ppl just based on the desire to be famous? it just doesn¹t make sense. the percentage of success rate is far too low. every band wants success so they can support themselves...but in my eyes...doing it to be famous is the shallowest reason ever."

So working to pay for demos, and sleeping on floors and touring, and playing in front of two people, just for the love of the music, isn't working your ass off, eh? In my book, that IS working your ass off. You must not know what it means to work your ass off either.

And no, I'm not close with the band, but that doesn't mean that I know they're great guys. As for Fred not being added to the record contract... that's his, as well as the band's, private business, and you have no right smearing it all over the internet.

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 04:31 PM

Man, being so close with ATL, you'd think you'd know a little bit more about somethings on this topic.
All I'm saying is that until I learn for myself, I've got no reason to hold anything against them. For all I know I could learn a bunch of things on tour with them next week, but until then I'll base my actions on what I know for a fact, because that's how it should be. If I hear from a reliable source some terrible things, naturally I'll change my opinion, but up until now, Cute has never given me a real reason to hate them, so I wont. I know of several minor things that to me, are not a big deal, because shit happens. Whatever.

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 04:31 PM

Are you trying to seduce me?
Absolutely.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 04:31 PM

So working to pay for demos, and sleeping on floors and touring, and playing in front of two people, just for the love of the music, isn't working your ass off, eh? In my book, that IS working your ass off. You must not know what it means to work your ass off either.

You do know that's the life of every struggling unsigned band in the world, right? There are bands that have worked far harder than that, for many more years, without catching the kind of breaks CIWWAF did.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:31 PM

lol what seems to be flying over most of your heads is the fact that this is jason tate's site. he runs it, he controls it. so if he decides he doesn't like a band and shares his views on why he feels that way, that doesn't make him an asshole.
It's usually the opposite - I usually get shit for liking too many bands - recently I've just spoke up about a few I don't like.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 04:34 PM

Thanks for the full story from both sides Jared "Beared Dan" Weber. Not. I didn't ask for your personal quote on what happened.

Their supposedly manufactured image is definitely going to make me hate them. Why don't you hate FBR/D or whoever behind-the-scenes for forcing an image on them then? Patrick Stump isn't the prettiest tool in the shed if that's true. Why don't they kick him out of the band if that's true? I'm sure Fred wasn't kicked out exclusively for image. That's harsh, stupid, and silly.

I'm tired of tales from the third string of the grapevine. I want to hear it straight from them on the record.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:35 PM

OBVIOUSLY you haven't read this interview very well, Jason.
"AP: Did you actually get $500,000 to start a band from your parents?
SH: hahaha...noooo. our parents have helped us out with the little things here and there. but i had been working for 3 years up until getting signed in which i was saving money so that i could provide for recording costs in the beginning. so all of the initial demoing came out of my personal pocket.

AP: Did the label give you an advance anywhere in that ballpark?
SH: nope, we weren't given an advance from FBR. We were given a tour support fund just like every band on the label...but that’s it.

AP: Was this band just started to get famous?
SH: we started the band just because we all knew each other and we had a common love for music. we had no idea that this band would get the breaks that it has gotten. we know we are the luckiest bunch of kids...but we just wanted to go out and make music we loved. of course all of us dreamed of really making it one day. everyone in a band dreams of pursuing their music on a professional level but you can't be in a band just to get famous because where is the inspiration in that? how can you sleep on floors and play in front of 2 ppl just based on the desire to be famous? it just doesn¹t make sense. the percentage of success rate is far too low. every band wants success so they can support themselves...but in my eyes...doing it to be famous is the shallowest reason ever."

So working to pay for demos, and sleeping on floors and touring, and playing in front of two people, just for the love of the music, isn't working your ass off, eh? In my book, that IS working your ass off. You must not know what it means to work your ass off either.

And no, I'm not close with the band, but that doesn't mean that I know they're great guys. As for Fred not being added to the record contract... that's his, as well as the band's, private business, and you have no right smearing it all over the internet.

You are telling me to believe the lead singer of a band on PR duty over 3 other sources? Hmm, don't know about that one.

I'll defer to Scott's comment on this one - he said what I was going to.

It's their private business until they start LYING TO PEOPLE about it. That's all I'm saying. Don't say it's not about "image" when that's just not true.

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 04:36 PM

Hey Tate, I just posted something and it disappeared? It's supposed to be reply #121 but it's not there.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=3573032#post357303 2

Weird?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:36 PM

Thanks for the full story from both sides Jared "Beared Dan" Weber. Not. I didn't ask for your personal quote on what happened.

Their supposedly manufactured image is definitely going to make me hate them. Why don't you hate FBR/D for forcing an image on them then? Patrick Stump isn't the prettiest tool in the shed if that's true. Why don't they kick him out of the band if that's true? I'm sure Fred wasn't kicked out exclusively for image. That's harsh, stupid, and silly.

I'm tired of tales from the third string of the grapevine. I want to hear it straight from them on the record.
It's probably coming - don't worry.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:37 PM

You do know that's the life of every struggling unsigned band in the world, right? There are bands that have worked far harder than that, for many more years, without catching the kind of breaks CIWWAF did.

That's still no reason to hate on them for catching a big break earlier than other bands have.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:37 PM

Hey Tate, I just posted something and it disappeared? It's supposed to be reply #121 but it's not there.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=3573032#post357303 2

Weird?
Dunno, I see post 121 still.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:38 PM

That's still no reason to hate on them for catching a big break earlier than other bands have.
Yes there is - because I want to see all the good bands that deserve the break to be taken care of first and then all these shitty bands can get picked up.

kitkatsuperstar

06/17/06, 04:38 PM

It's usually the opposite - I usually get shit for liking too many bands.

then it's a no-win situation for you. either way, people are going to disagree with what you have to say, but at the same time, you always get the final word.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:39 PM

You are telling me to believe the lead singer of a band on PR duty over 3 other sources? Hmm, don't know about that one.

I'll defer to Scott's comment on this one - he said what I was going to.

It's their private business until they start LYING TO PEOPLE about it. That's all I'm saying. Don't say it's not about "image" when that's just not true.

I love how you just "Mysteriously" added a third source to your list of sources.

And never did I mention ANYTHING about their image. WTF, where did that come from?

aminorthreat55

06/17/06, 04:39 PM

Man, being so close with ATL, you'd think you'd know a little bit more about somethings on this topic.
All I'm saying is that until I learn for myself, I've got no reason to hold anything against them. For all I know I could learn a bunch of things on tour with them next week, but until then I'll base my actions on what I know for a fact, because that's how it should be. If I hear from a reliable source some terrible things, naturally I'll change my opinion, but up until now, Cute has never given me a real reason to hate them, so I won't. I know of several minor things that to me, are not a big deal, because shit happens. Whatever.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 04:40 PM

Thanks for the full story from both sides Jared "Beared Dan" Weber. Not. I didn't ask for your personal quote on what happened.

What the hell are you talking about? The band called me 2 hours after it happened and told me the exact story. That's it, right there. There's no one-sided-ness to it.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:42 PM

then it's a no-win situation for you. either way, people are going to disagree with what you have to say, but at the same time, you always get the final word.

Yeah, whatever .. haha.

I love how you just "Mysteriously" added a third source to your list of sources.

And never did I mention ANYTHING about their image. WTF, where did that come from?

Added a third source? What? You think I'm going to tell you the real number of emails I have saved right now? I am simply biding my time as I collect all the information from as many people as I can, and confirm my sources, get interviews scheduled, get people to go on record, etc. The real number is 3 or 4 times anything I've said in this thread - I have so much shit on these weasels it's not even funny.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:44 PM

then it's a no-win situation for you. either way, people are going to disagree with what you have to say, but at the same time, you always get the final word.
Yeah, whatever.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 04:44 PM

It's probably coming - don't worry.

Cool.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:44 PM

I love how you just "Mysteriously" added a third source to your list of sources.

And never did I mention ANYTHING about their image. WTF, where did that come from?
You think I'm giving the actual numbers? Oh silly girl how you underestimate me. I have so much shit on these weasels. Try doubling or tripling the smallest number I've mentioned here. I'm putting it all together, confirming sources, doing the leg work, getting people on record, and then I'll figure out what the fuck I'm going to do with it. And that all depends on how much they continue to piss me off ...

Uh, you brought up image - you don't realize that everything you're talking about has a direct impact on the band's image?

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:46 PM

Yes there is - because I want to see all the good bands that deserve the break to be taken care of first and then all these shitty bands can get picked up.

Oh whatever Tate, please stop talking shit. ANY band deserves a break no matter how long they've been working, and if they've been working really hard, then they deserve it more than a band that sits around doing nothing. CIWWAF has worked on getting successful, so in my mind, they deserve it.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 04:47 PM

What the hell are you talking about? The band called me 2 hours after it happened and told me the exact story. That's it, right there. There's no one-sided-ness to it.

The site sounds like pretty good friends with Sherwood.. Did they want you guys to post about this? That sounds like a pretty silly publicity stunt if so.

I like this album, but I really don't care that much and don't have any great gossip on them either to show how cool I am for knowing the security guard at a basement show or the girl selling glowsticks. I just wish people would put half the effort into bands they loved compared to bands they hated.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:48 PM

Oh whatever Tate, please stop talking shit. ANY band deserves a break no matter how long they've been working, and if they've been working really hard, then they deserve it more than a band that sits around doing nothing. CIWWAF has worked on getting successful, so in my mind, they deserve it.
Disagree 100%. I don't think you could be more wrong.

Just because Shaant probably touched you in your naughty place, doesn't mean you have to go toe to toe with me online. The band's been caught in lies already, yet you still turn a blind eye to their actions.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:48 PM

You think I'm giving the actual numbers? Oh silly girl how you underestimate me. I have so much shit on these weasels and I'm putting it all together, confirming sources, doing the leg work, getting people on record, and then I'll figure out what I'm going to do with it.

Uh, you brought up image - you don't realize that everything you're talking about has a direct impact on the band's image?

You're a total dick. So you get shit from these "sources" and are planning to use it to smear the band's image even more than you already have? YOU'RE the one who brought up image by fucking around with CIWWAF in the first place. I've only said good things about the band. You, on the other hand, have said nothing but dogshit.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:51 PM

Disagree 100%. I don't think you could be more wrong.

Well then I disagree 100% with your statement. Thanks for telling me that my OPINION is wrong, when you're the one who just a little earlier today was preching that you deserve to say what you want because it's your OPINION. Hypocrite.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 04:52 PM

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 04:52 PM

The site sounds like pretty good friends with Sherwood.. Did they want you guys to post about this? That sounds like a pretty silly publicity stunt if so.

I like this album, but I really don't care that much and don't have any great gossip on them either to show how cool I am for knowing the security guard at a basement show or the girl selling glowsticks. I just wish people would put half the effort into bands they loved compared to bands they hated.
Sigh. I'm personal friends with the band. Nate pretty much stayed at my house for like 6 hours a day when he was in town. He called me and told me about it and we posted it becaue it's funny.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:53 PM

You're a total dick. So you get shit from these "sources" and are planning to use it to smear the band's image even more than you already have? YOU'RE the one who brought up image by fucking around with CIWWAF in the first place. I've only said good things about the band. You, on the other hand, have said nothing but dogshit.
You keep calling me an "asshole" and a "dick" and things like that like you expect it to affect me. Do you have any fucking idea who you're talking to? Seriously. Hahaha.

I'm not trying to "smear" anyone - I'm only saying that the TRUTH should come out and that the cream should rise to the top.

And you can call what I've said "dogshit" all you want - but the fact of the matter is, I have sources close to the band (and within the band) to back up what I know, you have nothing at all. So on that point alone, I think you're the one with the puppy-fecal-matter problem.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:55 PM

Disagree 100%. I don't think you could be more wrong.

Just because Shaant probably touched you in your naughty place, doesn't mean you have to go toe to toe with me online. The band's been caught in lies already, yet you still turn a blind eye to their actions.

How dare you.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:55 PM

If you really have sources, Jason, who are they? Stop being such a dickhead. They didn't get everything they have handed to them on a silver platter. Cute got signed after John Janick heard them and liked them. All of the other bands on FBR are amazing and Cute is just as good. Get over yourself.
Oh fucking A, another 13 year old girl?! These fuckers are coming out of the wood works.

Name my sources right away? Yes, that's how the real world works.

If that's true about Janick, then why was Fred kicked out of the band and isn't a part of the band's contract?

I'll name that source right now for you: the member of the band that left when he got sick of being manipulated.

Don't try and tell me FBR doesn't worry a lot about image - because they do.

I like a bunch of bands on their label - but CIWWAF is not one of them.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:56 PM

How dare you.
:shocked:

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 04:56 PM

Well then I disagree 100% with your statement. Thanks for telling me that my OPINION is wrong, when you're the one who just a little earlier today was preching that you deserve to say what you want because it's your OPINION. Hypocrite.
Saying every band in the entire world deserves success and a break, isn't an opinion sweetheart - it's ignorance.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 04:58 PM

Oh fucking A, another 13 year old girl?! These fuckers are coming out of the wood works.

Name my sources right away? Yes, that's how the real world works.

If that's true about Janick, then why was Fred kicked out of the band and isn't a part of the band's contract?

I'll name that source right now for you: the member of the band that left when he got sick of being manipulated.

Dear God, do you know how immature you are? You keep assuming that all Cute fans are thirteen-year-old girls. If you won't "reveal" your sources, you probably don't have any.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 04:59 PM

You keep calling me an "asshole" and a "dick" and things like that like you expect it to affect me. Do you have any fucking idea who you're talking to? Seriously. Hahaha.

I'm not trying to "smear" anyone - I'm only saying that the TRUTH should come out and that the cream should rise to the top.

And you can call what I've said "dogshit" all you want - but the fact of the matter is, I have sources close to the band (and within the band) to back up what I know, you have nothing at all. So on that point alone, I think you're the one with the puppy-fecal-matter problem.

I don't think my profanity can have an effect on the king of all dicks- I just don't have anything better to call you. There words all you deserve to be called.

And yes SIR, you ARE trying to smear them if you plan on posting private manners on your ridiculous website- again. So what if you have all these "sources"? I don't need sources to make myself look cool (even though I DO have my own sources as well), and it seems to me you think you're holier-than-thou in the punk world, but you really aren't. So go crawl in a hole and die or something Tate, because people are getting quite sick of you.

DOGSHIT!

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:00 PM

Dear God, do you know how immature you are? You keep assuming that all Cute fans are thirteen-year-old girls. If you won't "reveal" your sources, you probably don't have any.

Haha RIGHT ON youarethemoon, stick it to Tate!

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:00 PM

Dear God, do you know how immature you are? You keep assuming that all Cute fans are thirteen-year-old girls. If you won't "reveal" your sources, you probably don't have any.
Yeah, if only that argument worked for Nixon right?

And I'm sorry - you're a 20 year old girl that <3s all FBR bands. My bad.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 05:01 PM

Sigh. I'm personal friends with the band. Nate pretty much stayed at my house for like 6 hours a day when he was in town.

Everything is so much clearer. Thank you.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:03 PM

Yeah, if only that argument worked for Nixon right?

And I'm sorry - you're a 20 year old girl that <3s all FBR bands. My bad.

Yes, it was your bad.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:05 PM

I don't think my profanity can have an effect on the king of all dicks- I just don't have anything better to call you. There words all you deserve to be called.

And yes SIR, you ARE trying to smear them if you plan on posting private manners on your ridiculous website- again. So what if you have all these "sources"? I don't need sources to make myself look cool (even though I DO have my own sources as well), and it seems to me you think you're holier-than-thou in the punk world, but you really aren't. So go crawl in a hole and die or something Tate, because people are getting quite sick of you.

DOGSHIT!

Can you please at least attempt to phrase your words in coherent sentences? It'd really help me out between the "wAAAAAAAAAh WAHHHHH I love cute WAH WAH WAH" - thanks.

How am I trying to post "private matters"? I asked questions, they lied, is it not my duty to search for the truth?

You don't need sources to make yourself look cool, you do however need them to make yourself look right.

You just figured out my god-complex now? Must be new around here.

And now a death wish, this is fucking awesome. I rule so much for getting under your skin. I hope people get "sick" of me - it means you're thinking about me, it means you're here, it means that someday when the truth comes out you'll go "ah fuck".

You crack me up, so much. Do you get your skillz from the pillz?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:05 PM

Yes, it was your bad.
I'll use the words "act like" from now on.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:09 PM

Can you please at least attempt to phrase your words in coherent sentances? It'd really help me out between the "wAAAAAAAAAh WAHHHHH I love cute WAH WAH WAH" - thanks.

How am I trying to post "private matters"? I asked questions, they lied, is it not my duty to search for the truth?

You don't need sources to make yourself look cool, you do however need them to make yourself look right.

You just figured out my god-complex now? Must be new around here.

And now a death wish, this is fucking awesome. I rule so much for getting under your skin. I hope people get "sick" of me - it means you're thinking about me, it means you're here, it means that someday when the truth comes out you'll go "ah fuck".

You crack me up, so much.

That's what I'm here for, Tate, to crack people up.

And maybe if you knew proper grammar, you would see all my "sentences" (that's the correct spelling) are, in fact, coherent.

Stop acting like a hard-hitting journalist. You run some crappy website that no one I really know looks at.

Yeah, I'm new here. So what?

You don't get under my skin, if you did I'd probably be burning due to all your STDs by now.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 05:10 PM

You can't have a reasonable debate with anyone *way* up a band's ass and there's a lot of going nowhere with that in here. It's also amusing and frustrating when people do have really good points and someone picks apart their grammar, opinion, or what they're playing on their last.fm in order to ignore those points.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:10 PM

I've lost A LOT of respect for you Mr. Tate.

I thought you started this for the love of music, not to bring another band down. That's pretty low.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:11 PM

Can you please at least attempt to phrase your words in coherent sentences? It'd really help me out between the "wAAAAAAAAAh WAHHHHH I love cute WAH WAH WAH" - thanks.

How am I trying to post "private matters"? I asked questions, they lied, is it not my duty to search for the truth?

You don't need sources to make yourself look cool, you do however need them to make yourself look right.

You just figured out my god-complex now? Must be new around here.

And now a death wish, this is fucking awesome. I rule so much for getting under your skin. I hope people get "sick" of me - it means you're thinking about me, it means you're here, it means that someday when the truth comes out you'll go "ah fuck".

You crack me up, so much. Do you get your skillz from the pillz?

You don't have sources in the band if they all hate your ass. You are childish to even suggest that Shaant would "do" anything to anyone at all. You had no grounds to hate this band in the first place. At least your immaturity gives us all something to laugh at.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:12 PM

I'll use the words "act like" from now on.

Oh please, I'm not the one that calls out a band's member if I've never even talked to them. You have no right to make up shit about any bands at all.

alexwohl29_90

06/17/06, 05:13 PM

this was a great interview. CIWWAF just moved up 100000 notches in my book.

Ditttoooo

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:14 PM

That's what I'm here for, Tate, to crack people up.

And maybe if you knew proper grammar, you would see all my "sentences" (that's the correct spelling) are, in fact, coherent.

Stop acting like a hard-hitting journalist. You run some crappy website that no one I really know looks at.

Yeah, I'm new here. So what?

You don't get under my skin, if you did I'd probably be burning due to all your STDs by now.
Just because you change my spelling in your quote, doesn't mean the original post (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3573213&postcount=158) isn't still here sister. I edited that post after posting it because I realized I was typing fast and forgot a few things (you missed my awesome lyric addition too).

And no one you know may look at it because they must not have the time between nap and recess. But to prove my point here's how many people read my website compared (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?compare_sites=absol utepunk.net&range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=cuteiswhatweaimfor.com) to those who read CIWWAF's website.

So you flat out admit that you'd rather NOT have the truth? Weird. It's not about "journalism" it's about the mockery that a band like CIWWAF stands for in this music industry. It's about kids getting sold an image and a bag of lies.

The irony in your last "point" is so awesome that I don't think I've ever been more proud. Can I nick name you the Shaant Cum Dumpster? They're from Buffalo right? It seems to fit so well.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:14 PM

I've lost A LOT of respect for you Mr. Tate.

I thought you started this for the love of music, not to bring another band down. That's pretty low.
You have to be a real band for be to bring you down first. This is about the love of MUSIC that deserves what they're given, not this bullshit.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:15 PM

Oh please, I'm not the one that calls out a band's member if I've never even talked to them. You have no right to make up shit about any bands at all.
Don't I have to make something up first to use that line?

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:15 PM

I've lost A LOT of respect for you Mr. Tate.

I thought you started this for the love of music, not to bring another band down. That's pretty low.

Now we all start to see Tate's true colors.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:16 PM

You don't have sources in the band if they all hate your ass. You are childish to even suggest that Shaant would "do" anything to anyone at all. You had no grounds to hate this band in the first place. You are childish. At least your immaturity gives us all something to laugh at.
It's surprising what people will say if you just ask them.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:16 PM

Just because you change my spelling in your quote, doesn't mean the original post (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3573213&postcount=158) isn't still here sister. I edited that post after posting it because I realized I was typing fast and forgot a few things (you missed my awesome lyric addition too).

And no one you know may look at it because they must not have the time between nap and recess. But to prove my point here's how many people read my website compared (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?compare_sites=absol utepunk.net&range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=cuteiswhatweaimfor.com) to those who read CIWWAF's website.

So you flat out admit that you'd rather NOT have the truth? Weird. It's not about "journalism" it's about the mockery that a band like CIWWAF stands for in this music industry. It's about kids getting sold an image and a bag of lies.

The irony in your last "point" is so awesome that I don't think I've ever been more proud. Can I nick name you the Shaant Cum Dumpster? They're from Buffalo right? It seems to fit so well.
Nice. Trying to prove you're more popular than CIWWAF!!! See the irony in THAT?

The Shaant Cum Dumpster? I'm glad we have you running this website...

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:16 PM

Now we all start to see Tate's true colors.
Because I've kept them hidden for so many years!

:hissy:

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:17 PM

You have to be a real band for be to bring you down first. This is about the love of MUSIC that deserves what they're given, not this bullshit.
And just what is a real band? What are their true colors?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:17 PM

Nice. Trying to prove you're more popular than CIWWAF!!! See the irony in THAT?

The Shaant Cum Dumpster? I'm glad we have you running this website...
Uh, the irony was the reason I did that - that was the point. The Shaant comment was a play on her STD comment. This is simple: If you don't get it - don't respond.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:18 PM

And just what is a real band? What are their true colors?
For starters: One that doesn't kick out a member for image reasons, one that writes their own music, and one that is honest with their fans.

Is that too much to ask?

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 05:19 PM

oh boy. music deputy tate has dug into the archives. get em tate. arrest cute!

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:19 PM

Because I've kept them hidden for so many years!

:hissy:
This is too much. This is a band. They are people. You have a silly grade school grudge that you can't get past. Your 'sources' are probably people who are as biased as yourself. Let US believe what we want. We'll let you believe what YOU want. If you're going to make such a big point about opinions that stop bringing everyone else's down. Say your two cents and shut the fuck up.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 05:19 PM

Everything is so much clearer. Thank you.
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=97412&highlight=Sherwood

big fan of the band for months and months before i even met them. eat a dick. what happened happened.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:20 PM

Uh, the irony was the reason I did that - that was the point. The Shaant comment was a play on her STD comment. This is simple: If you don't get it - don't respond.
Oh yeah, and my irony was my comment!!! Talk talk talk....

I apologize if I'm beginning to get sick of your pointless rants. I'll learn to sit through the paint next time.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:21 PM

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 05:21 PM

trustmeimokay is the man

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:22 PM

This is too much. This is a band. They are people. You have a silly grade school grudge that you can't get past. Your 'sources' are probably people who are as biased as yourself. Let US believe what we want. We'll let you believe what YOU want. If you're going to make such a big point about opinions that stop bringing everyone else's down. Say your two cents and shut the fuck up.

I don't have any grudge. I just don't like seeing people lied to, and don't like seeing people perpetuate those lies. You can't hide from the truth, and you can't hide from the simple facts.

Case in point - I got a PM 30 seconds ago.

I'd love to talk about what in that interview is 100% bullshit...and start with how Cute got signed.

Fred isn't actually in the band. When they signed, Janick got nervous about Fred's image and Fred was kicked out of the group. His name is not on the record deal.

One of the band members called me and told me about Shaant getting locked out of the studio.

Also - Now having heard the record, I'd also love to fill everyone in on what the band actually wrote, and what they had "help on" on this album.

People are willing to talk about this - it's just a matter of me rounding them all up and getting their words down.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:22 PM

For starters: One that doesn't kick out a member for image reasons, one that writes their own music, and one that is honest with their fans.

Is that too much to ask?

Tell me, Jason, how many bands have kicked out band members? Honestly. They didn't even kick him out for image reasons.

PlusDanny

06/17/06, 05:24 PM

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=97412&highlight=Sherwood

big fan of the band for months and months before i even met them. you're a fucking tool.

What the fuck?? I didn't assume you gave birth to the band out of your vagina and they started hanging around a few hours every day and there's some sort of motherly attachment to them. It's clear that you had that side of the story cut and dry. Thanks for that, BUT..

You sir are the ultimate tool for resorting to name-calling in the name of a band you're friends with. Try some maturity on for size. At least the band has their age to account for their actions. What's your excuse?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:25 PM

Oh Tate, how you amuse me.

Just for the record- I've never had sexual relations with Mr. Shaant Hacikyan.

Yeah, I definitely changed the damn spelling of "sentences" in your quote, just to make you look dumber than you already are.

Notice how you posted how many people look at the site every day. Feeling insecure, Tate?

I wouldn't be suprised if you do have STDs, but yeah, nice to call a 17-year-old girl a Cum Dumpster.

I believe you should shut your mouth now. Because it seems as though all the other people posting now are with me.
You made a point, I proved you wrong, and then you say I'm insecure?

I love how being right makes me insecure.

I thought you were younger than that.

You won the other girls in this thread? OMG I shall go kill myself. Or, seeing as this is my job, I'll sit here and keep posting on my website. You can leave at anytime.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:26 PM

Oh yeah, and my irony was my comment!!! Talk talk talk....

I apologize if I'm beginning to get sick of your pointless rants. I'll learn to sit through the paint next time.
I'm sorry you didn't get it. You can leave at any time.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:27 PM

I don't have any grudge. I just don't like seeing people lied to, and don't like seeing people perpetuate those lies. You can't hide from the truth, and you can't hide from the simple facts.

Case in point - I got a PM 30 seconds ago.

People are willing to talk about this - it's just a matter of me rounding them all up and getting their words down.
Well I'm glad we got this 'PM from God' just in time to repeat the same shit we've been hearing over and over. You believe what you want, you hear what you want to hear.

And honestly, if this isn't a grudge I don't know what is. And do you even know the definition of the word? Jesus christ...

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:27 PM

Tell me, Jason, how many bands have kicked out band members? Honestly. They didn't even kick him out for image reasons.
Is he on their record contract from when they signed (or even now)?

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:27 PM

You made a point, I proved you wrong, and then you say I'm insecure?

I love how being right makes me insecure.

I thought you were younger than that.

You won the other girls in this thread? OMG I shall go kill myself. Or, seeing as this is my job, I'll sit here and keep posting on my website. You can leave at anytime.

Do you know how uncalled for it is to say that Shaant and her had anything to do with each other? You're so conceited to assume you're right.

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 05:28 PM

tate how bigs your weeny

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:28 PM

You made a point, I proved you wrong, and then you say I'm insecure?

I love how being right makes me insecure.

I thought you were younger than that.

You won the other girls in this thread? OMG I shall go kill myself. Or, seeing as this is my job, I'll sit here and keep posting on my website. You can leave at anytime.
The fact you felt you had to prove her wrong is where the insecurity shined.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:28 PM

Well I'm glad we got this 'PM from God' just in time to repeat the same shit we've been hearing over and over. You believe what you want, you hear what you want to hear.

And honestly, if this isn't a grudge I don't know what is. And do you even know the definition of the word? Jesus christ...
Yes, I know the definition of the word Jesus Christ. He was this dude .. that did miracles and shit.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:28 PM

You made a point, I proved you wrong, and then you say I'm insecure?

I love how being right makes me insecure.

I thought you were younger than that.

You won the other girls in this thread? OMG I shall go kill myself.

OMG you lYkE totes shuld b/c you speak like a 13-year old girl.

No, I'm not older than 17, but I do think I'm more mature than you, Tate.

Just because more people view your site every day than CIWWAF, does not prove my point wrong. MY point, was that no one I know even looks at this site on a regular basis.

How's it feel to get your ass kicked by a 17-year-old girl on your own website?

harry balzonya

06/17/06, 05:28 PM

mines big enough to fill that gaping hole your mother calls a vagina

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:29 PM

The fact you felt you had to prove her wrong is where the insecurity shined.
So, by not proving her wrong, I am more secure? Uhhhhhhhhhhh...

When I do prove things "i'm insecure" when I don't prove things "i'm making things up"?

You can't have it both ways turbo.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:29 PM

Is he on their record contract from when they signed (or even now)?

Do you have their contract "oh mighty Jason?" Because I'd really love to see it.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:29 PM

Is he on their record contract from when they signed (or even now)?
Tell me how you know what's on the contract. And even if he's not on there, people do have problems with each other. I'm sensing a problem here right now in many different forms with many different people! It's a wonderful thing called 'disagreement.' I'd expect someone like you to know quite a lot on this subject.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:32 PM

Yes, I know the definition of the word Jesus Christ. He was this dude .. that did miracles and shit.
Jesus wants you to love everyone Mr Tate...Yes, even Shaant. And me.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:32 PM

Tell me how you know what's on the contract. And even if he's not on there, people do have problems with each other. I'm sensing a problem here right now in many different forms with many different people! It's a wonderful thing called 'disagreement.' I'd expect someone like you to know quite a lot on this subject.

If he really knows so much about the contract, I'd really love him to show us it.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:33 PM

Do you know how uncalled for it is to say that Shaant and her had anything to do with each other? You're so conceited to assume you're right.

Yes, I obviously realize how "uncalled" for it was to make those comments. I didn't make them to be nice. What the fuck? And it's not me being "conceited" when I am right.

OMG you lYkE totes shuld b/c you speak like a 13-year old girl.

No, I'm not older than 17, but I do think I'm more mature than you, Tate.

Just because more people view your site every day than CIWWAF, does not prove my point wrong. MY point, was that no one I know even looks at this site on a regular basis.

How's it feel to get your ass kicked by a 17-year-old girl on your own website?

People that don't understand when they're being made fun of - amuse me.

I didn't know this was a maturity contest, for some reason I thought it was about the lies CIWWAF is telling in their interview.

Well, my target demographic isn't 17 year old Cute fans, so I concede that point to probably be true.

How am I getting my "ass kicked"? You're wrong, I've told you you're wrong, I've shown you WHY you're wrong, and now I'm sitting here antagonizing you because I really have nothing else to do today.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:33 PM

So, by not proving her wrong, I am more secure? Uhhhhhhhhhhh...

When I do prove things "i'm insecure" when I don't prove things "i'm making things up"?

You can't have it both ways turbo.
That's not quite what I said...but okay. You can have your little rant.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:34 PM

Tell me how you know what's on the contract. And even if he's not on there, people do have problems with each other. I'm sensing a problem here right now in many different forms with many different people! It's a wonderful thing called 'disagreement.' I'd expect someone like you to know quite a lot on this subject.
Because I've been told what's on the contract and have called you out - the burden of proof now falls on you.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:34 PM

If he really knows so much about the contract, I'd really love him to show us it.
Ibid.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:34 PM

Yes, I obviously realize how "uncalled" for it was to make those comments. I didn't make them to be nice. What the fuck? And it's not me being "conceited" when I am right.

People that don't understand when they're being made fun of - amuse me.

I didn't know this was a maturity contest, for some reason I thought it was about the lies CIWWAF is telling in their interview.

Well, my target demographic isn't 17 year old Cute fans, so I concede that point to probably be true.

How am I getting my "ass kicked"? You're wrong, I've told you you're wrong, I've shown you WHY you're wrong, and now I'm sitting here antagonizing you because I really have nothing else to do today.
I really would like to know what you've actually SHOWN anyone...it's all hear-say right now.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:35 PM

Jesus wants you to love everyone Mr Tate...Yes, even Shaant. And me.
Good thing I'm not religious!

imbackmofugga

06/17/06, 05:35 PM

tate how bigs your weeny

mines big enough to fill that gaping hole your mother calls a vagina

hahahahahahaha

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:35 PM

I really would like to know what you've actually SHOWN anyone...it's all hear-say right now.
Just wait ... it's coming.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:36 PM

Because I've been told what's on the contract and have called you out - the burden of proof now falls on you.
Way to go and disregard the other points in that particular post!

Seeing is believing Mr. Tate.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:36 PM

How am I getting my "ass kicked"? You're wrong, I've told you you're wrong, I've shown you WHY you're wrong, and now I'm sitting here antagonizing you because I really have nothing else to do today.

If you're always so right, then why can't you prove anything you've said? You won't even tell us your sources for Pete's sake.

xsxarexsoxscene

06/17/06, 05:36 PM

uhm so basically im totally and completely lost. (just joined). i'm a fan, but i don't want to say anything until i know the full story.

where can i find this interview between jason tate and the band? and whoa since when did fred get kicked out?!

PerfectMess

06/17/06, 05:36 PM

How's it feel to get your ass kicked by a 17-year-old girl on your own website?
actually, I kinda think he's pwning your ass right now....

tate...I think I kinda love you right now.
I actually have met those guys, and they were total and complete tools. Multiple times.
Of course they're going to be nice to fans, thats how you make money. Its how you treat everyone behind the scenes that matters.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:37 PM

Good thing I'm not religious!
Hehe. You've made that pretty evident.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:37 PM

actually, I kinda think he's pwning your ass right now....

tate...I think I kinda love you right now.
I actually have met those guys, and they were total and complete tools. Multiple times.
Of course they're going to be nice to fans, thats how you make money. Its how you treat everyone behind the scenes that matters.
I love how everyone with an opinion on these guys have met them! I'm glad this person to person interaction is end all.

siimpx

06/17/06, 05:37 PM

so this is pretty entertaining...

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:38 PM

Way to go and disregard the other points in that particular post!

Seeing is believing Mr. Tate.

What other points? I'm basically ignoring things you say and focusing on the girls in this thread because I wrote you off as someone I needed to talk to long ago.

If you're always so right, then why can't you prove anything you've said? You won't even tell us your sources for Pete's sake.

My source, is, was, and always has been: Deep Throat.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:39 PM

Yes, I obviously realize how "uncalled" for it was to make those comments. I didn't make them to be nice. What the fuck? And it's not me being "conceited" when I am right.

People that don't understand when they're being made fun of - amuse me.

I didn't know this was a maturity contest, for some reason I thought it was about the lies CIWWAF is telling in their interview.

Well, my target demographic isn't 17 year old Cute fans, so I concede that point to probably be true.

How am I getting my "ass kicked"? You're wrong, I've told you you're wrong, I've shown you WHY you're wrong, and now I'm sitting here antagonizing you because I really have nothing else to do today.

Oh yes, you're making fun of me, because I definitely have been talking like that the entire time.

This isn't a maturity contest, but in my opinion you act like a two-year-old.

Well, I'm glad your demographic isn't 17 year old Cute fans, because then your site would be a virtual ghost town.

And I'd say your getting your ass kicked because you seem to be on the losing side of the battle.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:39 PM

I love how everyone with an opinion on these guys have met them! I'm glad this person to person interaction is end all.
All your contemporaries were saying that I couldn't have an opinion because I hadn't met them. You and the cronies need to get on the same page.

PerfectMess

06/17/06, 05:40 PM

I love how everyone with an opinion on these guys have met them! I'm glad this person to person interaction is end all.
if it helps, I also think Shaant's voice is absolutely horrendous.
I thought that long before I ever met any of them.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:40 PM

Just wait ... it's coming.
Oh, I'm waiting. And when you do get this 'proof', what do you plan to proove? I'm glad you feel the need to tear these guys down rather than just let 'em live, despite what they've done (if they, in face, have even done anything). I'm sure you've got some skeletons in the closet JT...

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:40 PM

Oh yes, you're making fun of me, because I definitely have been talking like that the entire time.

This isn't a maturity contest, but in my opinion you act like a two-year-old.

Well, I'm glad your demographic isn't 17 year old Cute fans, because then your site would be a virtual ghost town.

And I'd say your getting your ass kicked because you seem to be on the losing side of the battle.
This is a "battle"? Girl, please, this isn't even the most arguing/or "fighting" I've done TODAY in the forums - let alone enough to be called a "battle" by AP standards.

"It was all before she was born.."

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:41 PM

Oh, I'm waiting. And when you do get this 'proof', what do you plan to proove? I'm glad you feel the need to tear these guys down rather than just let 'em live, despite what they've done (if they, in face, have even done anything). I'm sure you've got some skeletons in the closet JT...
That's the whole point - I don't lie about my skeletons. I tell the truth, which is all I wanted to see from CIWWAF. I already addressed your other "points" like 6 times in this thread, I don't wanna do it again.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:42 PM

This is a "battle"? Girl, please, this isn't even the most arguing/or "fighting" I've done TODAY in the forums - let alone enough to be called a "battle" by AP standards.

"It was all before she was born.."

Ok Tate, keep puffing yourself up to make you look tougher. Keep bragging about how many "battles" you've been in today. That makes you real creditable as a journalist.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:42 PM

All your contemporaries were saying that I couldn't have an opinion because I hadn't met them. You and the cronies need to get on the same page.
Who ever said I was with any of the others? I like the band, but I'm mos def not with half of these kids. Especially the kid who thought it was funny to ask about your cock size. That kid should probably be at his local Nickelback appreciation society.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:42 PM

so this is pretty entertaining...
I'm enjoying it immensely.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:42 PM

Oh, I'm waiting. And when you do get this 'proof', what do you plan to proove? I'm glad you feel the need to tear these guys down rather than just let 'em live, despite what they've done (if they, in face, have even done anything). I'm sure you've got some skeletons in the closet JT...

Yes, I think we'd all love to have his proof. Jason, where's the contract? Who are your sources? I'm sure we'd all love to know.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 05:42 PM

What the fuck?? I didn't assume you gave birth to the band out of your vagina and they started hanging around a few hours every day and there's some sort of motherly attachment to them. It's clear that you had that side of the story cut and dry. Thanks for that, BUT..

You sir are the ultimate tool for resorting to name-calling in the name of a band you're friends with. Try some maturity on for size. At least the band has their age to account for their actions. What's your excuse?
Don't try and take the high road in this debate. That's my move. You can act like a smart-ass all you want in this thread, I honestly don't give a shit. There's not 2 sides to that story. Leto called him that stuff on stage and showed up on stage during their set. That's fact, that's not opinion. You trying to come over the top and claim bias on that was where you became full of immaturity yourself. Get over yourself.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:43 PM

That's the whole point - I don't lie about my skeletons. I tell the truth, which is all I wanted to see from CIWWAF. I already addressed your other "points" like 6 times in this thread, I don't wanna do it again.
Your posts are making less and less sense as you go on....

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:43 PM

Ok Tate, keep puffing yourself up to make you look tougher. Keep bragging about how many "battles" you've been in today. That makes you real creditable as a journalist.
I need to start dumbing down what I say apparently. My word Jezebel, you're killing me here.

Scott Weber

06/17/06, 05:43 PM

I love how many teenage girls are coming out of the woodwork to defend CIWWAF.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:43 PM

Yes, I think we'd all love to have his proof. Jason, where's the contract? Who are your sources? I'm sure we'd all love to know.
You need to read the entire thread before asking questions I've already answered.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:43 PM

What other points? I'm basically ignoring things you say and focusing on the girls in this thread because I wrote you off as someone I needed to talk to long ago.

And when was this exactly?

bigmike

06/17/06, 05:43 PM

Grrr.. I'm thinking of interviewing so many people now just to get the other side out there. It bums me that people buy into this ...
then interview the other people. I'd like to see what they say. But for right now, i respect them more for what they've said and how they've handled things. It's got to be hard to be in their position and basically have only responses on this site being about how shitty they are and whatnot.
but really, at the end of the day, it's about the music which, in my opinion, is still mediocre.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:44 PM

I love how many teenage girls are coming out of the woodwork to defend CIWWAF.
One of them's 20!

(I already made that point and she got mad at me.)

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:44 PM

then interview the other people. I'd like to see what they say. But for right now, i respect them more for what they've said and how they've handled things. It's got to be hard to be in their position and basically have only responses on this site being about how shitty they are and whatnot.
but really, at the end of the day, it's about the music which, in my opinion, is still mediocre.
I am.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:44 PM

I love how many teenage girls are coming out of the woodwork to defend CIWWAF.

I love how many 23-year-old guys have nothing better to do than to put down teenagers in bands.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:44 PM

I love how many teenage girls are coming out of the woodwork to defend CIWWAF.

And I love how since I'm a teenage girl my word is immediately discredited. Because teenage girls aren't allowed to be smart and have their own opinions, right?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:45 PM

And when was this exactly?
Like 6 months ago.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:45 PM

And I love how since I'm a teenage girl my word is immediately discredited. Because teenage girls aren't allowed to be smart and have their own opinions, right?
You're not making the case for them very well now are you?

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:45 PM

I love how many 23-year-old guys have nothing better to do than to put down teenagers in bands.
Well, I sure don't.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:46 PM

I need to start dumbing down what I say apparently. My word Jezebel, you're killing me here.

No, you don't have to dumb yourself down. You're already dumb enough without doing that.

youarethemoon

06/17/06, 05:46 PM

One of them's 20!

(I already made that point and she got mad at me.)

Good job, Jason, you've realized that we're not all 13.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:46 PM

Your posts are making less and less sense as you go on....
I sorry.

siimpx

06/17/06, 05:47 PM

i've learned (the hard way hah) that there's no point in arguing with jason tate because whether he's right or wrong he's going to win.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:47 PM

Good job, Jason, you've realized that we're not all 13.
I know, as I said, you just "act like it."

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:47 PM

No, you don't have to dumb yourself down. You're already dumb enough without doing that.
Oh no she didn't.

You never answered me, do you get your skills from the pills?

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:47 PM

You're not making the case for them very well now are you?

Shut the fuck up Tate. I do believe you're getting scared now. The case I'm making to prove that teenage girls are smart is coming along well, as far as I can tell from this thread. I've pointed out discrepancies in your story, but yet you keep referring to them.

logicalfall

06/17/06, 05:48 PM

Oh no she didn't.

Oh yes I did, you sarcastic dumbass.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:48 PM

i've learned (the hard way hah) that there's no point in arguing with jason tate because whether he's right or wrong he's going to win.
I still think you're cute.

trustmeimokay

06/17/06, 05:49 PM

Like 6 months ago.
And for what? Or is this just you talking again?

And I'd like to believe I'm the most sensible person in the whole goddamn thread. I'm not talking out my ass here. If there's anyone you should be arguing with, it's me. But you have nothing. Nothing. You're just talking. There's nothing to any of the shit you're posting. You're a little angry. So fucking what? Some of us are people. We want to succeed. We want to believe we're right. Some of us even try to prove that we're right! But goddamn it, just let these boys be. They're making pop music. Who cares if there's a little drama? If they're such big assholes as you're saying, then why make such a big deal about it Mr. Self Proclaimed Asshole? Just let it lie.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:49 PM

Oh yes I did, you sarcastic dumbass.
Sorry, my Hawk Nelson CD just skipped .. be back in a minute.

Jason Tate

06/17/06, 05:50 PM

Shut the fuck up Tate. I do believe you're getting scared now. The case I'm making to prove that teenage girls are smart is coming along well, as far as I can tell from this thread. I've pointed out discrepancies in your story, but yet you keep referring to them.
What? That I said 3 instead of 2? Hahaha? That's the linchpin in your argument? Woah.