NFL (National Football League) Discussion Thread

[Scott Weber]

Enjoy!

[xbrokendownx]

and somehow, the Dolphins slim playoff hopes are still alive!

[Scott Weber]

Seahawks GM Tim Ruskell fired, and reports are that Holmgren is coming back to join the team in a Bill Parcells type role.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Subscribing.

Holmgren to Seahawks makes perfect sense. better job opportunity than with the Browns.

[Tyler Vagyler]

I hope Charlie Weiss comes to the Panthers as the coordinator. Has anyone heard where he may end up?

[preppyak]

Seahawks GM Tim Ruskell fired, and reports are that Holmgren is coming back to join the team in a Bill Parcells type role.
Yeah...if I remember I think Chris Mortensen said that Holmgren was more interested in a few other jobs (forget the teams now)...but it'd surprise me if he didn't end up back in Seattle

[sleepyseanzzz]

I hope Charlie Weiss comes to the Panthers as the coordinator. Has anyone heard where he may end up?

definitely not the jets....there isnt a hotel with a buffet big enough that could feed both rex ryan and charlie weis before gametime

[sinkinginthesea]

Bengals probably will kill the Lions in the rushing game with Benson and LJ. Not complaining.

[xbrokendownx]

wasnt Miami-New England this week supposed to be the sunday night game? i guess NBC flexed it to the Minnesota-Arizona game

thats fine, i wouldnt have been able to watch the 830 game anyways

[pand75]

Subscribing

[Drew Beringer]

Packers.

[preppyak]

wasnt Miami-New England this week supposed to be the sunday night game? i guess NBC flexed it to the Minnesota-Arizona game

thats fine, i wouldnt have been able to watch the 830 game anyways
Yep, looks like it was flexed

http://www.examiner.com/x-1324-New-England-Patriots-Examiner~y2009m11d24-New-England-Patriots-December-6th-game-against-the-Miami-Dolphins-flexed-back-to-100pm

[preppyak]

Matt Moore likely to start for Carolina...apparently Delhomme can barely grip a football

[owiseone35]

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[J.C.]

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[Scott Weber]

adrian peterson just got a ticket for going 109 in a 55.

[FondestMemory]

I hope Charlie Weiss comes to the Panthers as the coordinator. Has anyone heard where he may end up?

he could very well end up in new england before this season's end.

or there's talk that he could be indy's oc next season.

dude's gonna have a few job offers.

[SSLYBY]

adrian peterson just got a ticket for going 109 in a 55.

Was going to post this, weird thing was he was just doing a sprint workout.

[xbrokendownx]

Titans RB Chris Johnson, Colts DE Robert Mathis and Dolphins KR-WR Ted Ginn named AFC Players of the Month for November.

[Chris M.]

Go Bears! :-(

[Killadelphia]

Go Team Jackson!

[FondestMemory]

toby gerhart said today that he's leaning towards seeing what the nfl has in store for him over pursuing a career in the mlb.

ballsy move, but i think it could be the right one. what's everybody's thoughts on him as an nfl rb?

i think he's a can't miss kind of player, honestly.

6-1, 230+. he has the body for it. he's currently taking 21 credit hours at standford and still overperforming on the field, so you know he has the brains for it. he claims he can run a 4.4 at the combine, but even if he can't he should end up in the 4.6/4.7 range. so he has the speed for it.

while carrying the load the past two seasons, he's averaging almost 5.5 yards a carry. and say what you will about the pac 10, that's still somewhat quality competition he's going against week in and week out. his numbers are impressive for a smaller conference, let alone one of the bigger ones.

i'm not saying he's gonna go out and have an adrian peterson type impact, but i definitely think you get a legit hb by drafting this guy. i think he'll be a solid starter or a great piece of a 1/2 combo. he won't contribute much to the passing game, but the potential is huge.

which also brings up the question, when was the last white starting hb in the nfl? there are plenty of white fullbacks, and some get carries from the hb position. but as for a true hb, i can't remember a legitimate white one since merril hoge. and even that's stretching it. i seriously can't think of a sold white halfback in the last couple decades. or at least since riggins.

[Scott Weber]

i would love to see gerhart try his hand in the NFL. baseball will be there forever - the NFL won't.

[jimjam32]

brian leonard is a white RB(played RB and FB in college @ rutgers) -- and he was picked the second round a few years back. dude has some bad luck though -- he was stuck behind steven jackson there, and now he's stuck behind cedric benson and impressive rookie bernard scott, and now larry johnson. when he does get PT he makes plays though.

I remember when he was at the combine marshall faulk laughed at the thought of leonard being a RB, and kept repeating "he will be a fullback, haha." Mike mayock was in love with leonard.

[Scott Weber]

peyton hillis is white.

[J.C.]

Would love Gerhart on the Chiefs.

[sleepyseanzzz]

Matt Moore likely to start for Carolina...apparently Delhomme can barely grip a football

broken finger....he's fuckin out. at least just for this week

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Would love Gerhart on the Chiefs.

i second this. him and charles would make a good speed-power combo

[Ari Christos]

Hoping for the Falcons to sneak their way into the playoffs - gonna be tough with no Ryan or Turner.

[TEAMRAMROD]

toby gerhart said today that he's leaning towards seeing what the nfl has in store for him over pursuing a career in the mlb.

ballsy move, but i think it could be the right one. what's everybody's thoughts on him as an nfl rb?

i think he's a can't miss kind of player, honestly.

6-1, 230+. he has the body for it. he's currently taking 21 credit hours at standford and still overperforming on the field, so you know he has the brains for it. he claims he can run a 4.4 at the combine, but even if he can't he should end up in the 4.6/4.7 range. so he has the speed for it.

while carrying the load the past two seasons, he's averaging almost 5.5 yards a carry. and say what you will about the pac 10, that's still somewhat quality competition he's going against week in and week out. his numbers are impressive for a smaller conference, let alone one of the bigger ones.

i'm not saying he's gonna go out and have an adrian peterson type impact, but i definitely think you get a legit hb by drafting this guy. i think he'll be a solid starter or a great piece of a 1/2 combo. he won't contribute much to the passing game, but the potential is huge.

which also brings up the question, when was the last white starting hb in the nfl? there are plenty of white fullbacks, and some get carries from the hb position. but as for a true hb, i can't remember a legitimate white one since merril hoge. and even that's stretching it. i seriously can't think of a sold white halfback in the last couple decades. or at least since riggins.

Pewter Report had an article on him. Bucs may be interested in him.

[Tyler Vagyler]

toby gerhart said today that he's leaning towards seeing what the nfl has in store for him over pursuing a career in the mlb.

ballsy move, but i think it could be the right one. what's everybody's thoughts on him as an nfl rb?

i think he's a can't miss kind of player, honestly.

6-1, 230+. he has the body for it. he's currently taking 21 credit hours at standford and still overperforming on the field, so you know he has the brains for it. he claims he can run a 4.4 at the combine, but even if he can't he should end up in the 4.6/4.7 range. so he has the speed for it.

while carrying the load the past two seasons, he's averaging almost 5.5 yards a carry. and say what you will about the pac 10, that's still somewhat quality competition he's going against week in and week out. his numbers are impressive for a smaller conference, let alone one of the bigger ones.

i'm not saying he's gonna go out and have an adrian peterson type impact, but i definitely think you get a legit hb by drafting this guy. i think he'll be a solid starter or a great piece of a 1/2 combo. he won't contribute much to the passing game, but the potential is huge.

which also brings up the question, when was the last white starting hb in the nfl? there are plenty of white fullbacks, and some get carries from the hb position. but as for a true hb, i can't remember a legitimate white one since merril hoge. and even that's stretching it. i seriously can't think of a sold white halfback in the last couple decades. or at least since riggins.

He would make a great NFL player. The guy is a very complete player. If the Panthers didn't already have 2 great RBs, I'd say I want him. But I would like to see him go to a team that would give him a good opportunity to get some PT.

[gonz]

I would love the Browns to draft Gerhart and have a 1-2 combo of him and James Davis for next year.

[SwiftSilentDead]

All Matt Moore has to do is not turn the ball over and we should be fine against the Bucs. It's getting kind of difficult to stick with a "run first" offense ever since Jordan Gross got injured. Travelle Wharton has done an awful job filling in. Williams and Stewart had no where to run last week and the Jets were dominating us up front. Hope things go better against Tampa this week.

[Chris M.]

I agree that Gerhart would be a great power part of a power/speed combo backfield. He still needs to improve his catching out of the backfield and run less upright.

[mht]

Would love Gerhart on the Chiefs.

i second this. him and charles would make a good speed-power combo



no.

[Zeran]

saw the bills game in toronto last night at the skydome. teams weren't that great and the atmosphere kinda sucked.

[TEAMRAMROD]

Eli confirmed signature at Cowboys stadium.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4711044

[owiseone35]

I say good for Eli. He really won some points with me for that.

[xbrokendownx]

Steve Slaton likely out Sunday due to shoulder injury

[pand75]

:-(

[Shakriel]

Don't know who to start at quarterback this weekend.

[StrictlyBiznas]

Don't know who to start at quarterback this weekend.

Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Drew Brees

[Shakriel]

Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Drew Brees

If only. Have neither of those three unfortunately.

[bhs1158]

Looks like Osi has been demoted in favor of Kiwanuka.

[IcedOpethBlind]

Steve Slaton likely out Sunday due to shoulder injury

wow really, fuck

[mybreakingpoint]

Looks like Osi has been demoted in favor of Kiwanuka.
yeah, and they might be starting Canty too, against his former team. that can go either way, i suppose. i think Greg Ellis wanted to show the 'Boys what they lost last week the Raiders, and he didn't do jack. Canty seemed to have a similar stance on playing the Cowboys in Week 2 when he wasn't starting. maybe he'll play well, he's good. and i've always liked Osi, too. he's been pretty ineffective this year, but he's still a more proven player than Kiwanuka, i think.

everyone's saying the Giants are dangerous because they're desperate. but i'd say despite their 8-3 record, Dallas is pretty desperate--to show they can actually win in December, since they haven't the past 3 years. i'd like to put my money on Dallas in this one, but against the Giants (or anyone in the East, for that matter), you never really know how effective they'll be.

[mybreakingpoint]

Eli confirmed signature at Cowboys stadium.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4711044
Eli's one of my least favorite players in the league, but i think that's pretty funny, actually. and if James and Phillips are genuinely bent out of shape over something like that, that's kinda sad.

[Ari Christos]

The NFC East is such a shitty division. They're all so inconsistent that they keep themselves alive by always playing each other.

[mybreakingpoint]

The NFC East is such a shitty division. They're all so inconsistent that they keep themselves alive by always playing each other.
this year, yeah, it's been pretty bad. i felt last year they were the toughest division in the league, and that they would be again this year. thought the Giants would be tough; nope. knew the Cowboys would be good, despite what everyone was saying. thought the Eagles would take the division; they still might, but they're still not playing. that loss to the Raiders was painful to watch. and last year the Redskins were at least modestly competitive, but Haynesworth was a bust and i really think Campbell is an awful starter most of the time, it's really time for them to get serious about rebuilding.

[Chris M.]

Osi's still not 100%, that's why he's played like shit.

[preppyak]

Eli's one of my least favorite players in the league, but i think that's pretty funny, actually. and if James and Phillips are genuinely bent out of shape over something like that, that's kinda sad.
Part of that is a case of selective editing...ESPN shows

"We won't forget that," said James, a defensive captain who ranted Wednesday about his dislike of the Giants. "It just makes for a more intense game."

His actual quote was: "Eli signed the inside of the locker room, the wall," James said. "He put the score. They ruined our first game. We won't forget that. It just makes for a more intense game."

So...at least James is more mad that they lost the game

[mybreakingpoint]

Part of that is a case of selective editing...ESPN shows

"We won't forget that," said James, a defensive captain who ranted Wednesday about his dislike of the Giants. "It just makes for a more intense game." His actual quote was: "Eli signed the inside of the locker room, the wall," James said. "He put the score. They ruined our first game. We won't forget that. It just makes for a more intense game."

So...at least James is more mad that they lost the game
writing the score on the locker room wall is pretty classless, i'd say. just signing it is one thing; that's funny. but writing the score out like that is brash and unsportsmanlike, in my book. yeah okay, you won the first game in their stadium. rub it in on their locker room wall, that'll make you look like a class act. it's typically only the trashy, scummy kids/people who write on bathroom walls and stalls in schools and Wal-Mart; Eli's not really any more classy than any of those people, in my book. :shrug:

[Ari Christos]

this year, yeah, it's been pretty bad. i felt last year they were the toughest division in the league, and that they would be again this year. thought the Giants would be tough; nope. knew the Cowboys would be good, despite what everyone was saying. thought the Eagles would take the division; they still might, but they're still not playing. that loss to the Raiders was painful to watch. and last year the Redskins were at least modestly competitive, but Haynesworth was a bust and i really think Campbell is an awful starter most of the time, it's really time for them to get serious about rebuilding.

I really hate the Giants dude haha I think this year they proved that their really not all their chalked up to be. Everyone talked them up after winning their first five. Of course they're gonna go 5-0 when they play Tampa, KC, Oakland, and Washington. I agree about the Eagles and Cowboys - I'd like to see the Eagles win the division. Desean Jackson is one of my favorite players in the league right now. The 'Skins need to look for a QB to get Moss and Cooley the ball and focus more on developing their run. Portis is a good back, you never hear about him though because he can't do shit on that team.

[mybreakingpoint]

I really hate the Giants dude haha I think this year they proved that their really not all their chalked up to be. Everyone talked them up after winning their first five. Of course they're gonna go 5-0 when they play Tampa, KC, Oakland, and Washington. I agree about the Eagles and Cowboys - I'd like to see the Eagles win the division. Desean Jackson is one of my favorite players in the league right now. The 'Skins need to look for a QB to get Moss and Cooley the ball and focus more on developing their run. Portis is a good back, you never hear about him though because he can't do shit on that team.
Jackson's out this week, too. Injuries have destroyed the division this year. Is Westbrook still out? if so, no Jackson or Westbrook's going to hurt them. They could still win the division simply because Dallas has them, New Orleans, and the Chargers after the Giants this week. They'll take Washington again, but the rest of those games could go either way. As long as they win at least 2 and get in on the Wildcard, I'll be happy. And I hate the Eagles, but I'd much rather them win the Division than the Giants. Cowboys can beat the Eagles (again) though, and they could probably beat the Chargers, too, depending on how Romo plays. I just hope they don't get stomped by the Saints. They'll lose, but as long as they keep it close and it doesn't look like the Saints-Giants game, then at least that will be respectable. The 'Skins have a lot to work with. I think Moss is one of the best receivers in the league, and Portis is good too when he's healthy. It comes down to Campbell stepping it up; the defense hasn't been awful, but the offense has just been so unproductive. They need to get someone good in the offseason. I'm not sure who, but just about anyone will be better than Campbell at this point.

[guccimaneburrrr]

who cares that eli did that. the cowboys should have won if they didn't want him to do it. what do they care, it's not like they ever have to look at it.

[owiseone35]

who cares that eli did that. the cowboys should have won if they didn't want him to do it. what do they care, it's not like they ever have to look at it.

Agreed it really isn't that big of a deal it's pretty funny. You got a usually shy QB come out and brag about his team winning the first game in a stadium against an arch rival, permanently.

[guccimaneburrrr]

people are too sensitive about shit. example: LT complaining about the patriots dancing on the chargers logo after they beat us in the playoffs. put up or shut up IMO.

[mybreakingpoint]

who cares that eli did that. the cowboys should have won if they didn't want him to do it. what do they care, it's not like they ever have to look at it.

Agreed it really isn't that big of a deal it's pretty funny. You got a usually shy QB come out and brag about his team winning the first game in a stadium against an arch rival, permanently.

I'm sure the Giants would have loved it if (assuming these were home games, which they weren't, but if they had been) someone had written "Saints 48, Giants 27" or, even better, "Eagles 40, Giants 17" on their locker room wall.

Essentially, by definition, what Manning did was a form of vandalism. This isn't okay, is it? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4476626 But it's okay if Manning writes that on a wall? Spray paint's a no-go, but permanent marker is so much different?

Would Eli be laughing if someone from the Cardinals wrote "Cardinals 24, Giants 17--hey Eli, thanks for the 3 interceptions!"? Probably not.

Is it funny? To a certain extent. Is it classless and juvenile? Yes, like it or not, it is.

Chad Johnson can't write his name on a football during a game with a permanent marker without getting fined, but it's okay for Manning to write on the wall of a brand new stadium? Hmmm.

[preppyak]

Chad Johnson can't write his name on a football during a game with a permanent marker without getting fined, but it's okay for Manning to write on the wall of a brand new stadium? Hmmm.
hahahaha...that is an awful, awful point on so many levels

1. Chad wasn't fined for signing the ball (this was before the celebration rules)...he was fined for having a sharpie in his sock, which was a violation of the uniform rules for players. So, in that way, your point is completely irrelevant on every level and those two scenarios in no way intermix

2. I really don't see it as classless, especially if a stadium worked comes up and says "sign the wall". Its a little funny, a little out of the ordinary, and in the end, means nothing. Sure, the Cowboys may pretend its bulletin board stuff, but the score of that game motivates them more than him writing on the wall.

[guccimaneburrrr]

lol at you complaining about vandalism. there is a BIG difference between doing something along those lines during a game and in the locker room after a game. you're just a bitter a cowboys fan. had tom brady or some other quarterback done this at someone elses stadium you wouldn't be complaining but since it was eli manning and it was cowboys stadium you're having a big tiff about it.

[mybreakingpoint]

hahahaha...that is an awful, awful point on so many levels

Note: Chad wasn't fined for signing the ball (this was before the celebration rules)...he was fined for having a sharpie in his sock, which was a violation of the uniform rules for players
That's fine, I'm just saying, they made a really big deal about something stupid like that. Before it was for a "uniform violation", people considered it excessive celebration. Well, I'd say writing on the wall in the locker room would be excessive celebration in its own right.

[Chris M.]

I don't recall Chad Ochocinco ever writing his name on a football during a game. That TO guy though...

[preppyak]

Well, I'd say writing on the wall in the locker room would be excessive celebration in its own right.No.

Its literally not related in any way shape or form, besides maybe that both were done with Sharpies. One was done to draw attention to the player, was illegal by the rules of the game, and was part of creating a new rule against such things....the other was basically Eli signing an autograph

[guccimaneburrrr]

That's fine, I'm just saying, they made a really big deal about something stupid like that. Before it was for a "uniform violation", people considered it excessive celebration. Well, I'd say writing on the wall in the locker room would be excessive celebration in its own right.

excessive celebration in the locker room?!!?!?! your points are comical. in that case they totally should fine every team that wins the super bowl for dumping gatorade on their coach. THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL AND EXCESSIVE!!!!

[mybreakingpoint]

lol at you complaining about vandalism. there is a BIG difference between doing something along those lines during a game and in the locker room after a game. you're just a bitter a cowboys fan. had tom brady or some other quarterback done this at someone elses stadium you wouldn't be complaining but since it was eli manning and it was cowboys stadium you're having a big tiff about it.
hey buddy, read my post on the previous page, where i commented on it being funny. hell, read a few posts up where once again, i say that it's funny. if you can handle reading the parts you think are stupid, i think you should be capable of reading it all. it has less to do with the fact that it's Manning and the Cowboys, and more to do with the fact that it's stupid and juvenile.

read the link, mate. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4476626

it's not okay to spray paint a game's score in someone's yard. that's private, personal property, right? it's disrespectful, right? it's wrong that that kid did that, but not wrong the Manning did the essentially the same thing on a smaller scale?

[guccimaneburrrr]

No.

Its literally not related in any way shape or form, besides maybe that both were done with Sharpies. One was done to draw attention to the player, was illegal by the rules of the game, and was part of creating a new rule against such things....the other was basically Eli signing an autograph

it's like this guy named his band after the location of his brain

[mybreakingpoint]

I don't recall Chad Ochocinco ever writing his name on a football during a game. That TO guy though...

you're right, it was TO. good call. (sounds like something Ochocinco would do anyway haha)

No.

Its literally not related in any way shape or form, besides maybe that both were done with Sharpies. One was done to draw attention to the player, was illegal by the rules of the game, and was part of creating a new rule against such things....the other was basically Eli signing an autograph

signing an autograph on the wall of a stadium that the guy in the locker room obviously didn't own. technically, it's Jerry Jones's property. i don't think he'd say "sure Eli, rub it in that you won a game on my new multi-million dollar stadium." that is not the same thing as an autograph.

excessive celebration in the locker room?!!?!?! your points are comical. in that case they totally should fine every team that wins the super bowl for dumping gatorade on their coach. THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL AND EXCESSIVE!!!!

a locker room owned by another team. it is their property, they built it, they own it. comparing writing on a wall to pouring gatorade on their own coach? really?

[preppyak]

it's not okay to spray paint a game's score in someone's yard. that's private, personal property, right? it's disrespectful, right? it's wrong that that kid did that, but not wrong the Manning did the essentially the same thing on a smaller scale?
Lets debunk this connection too...for fun.

You said it yourself in your post..."smaller scale"...one was a fan (who had no part in the game, and was outside the stadium where the game occurs) vandalizing a guys private property. In any context of the law...that's a crime. Especially since NFL players have had to defend themsevles at their homes (and have been killed in theirs as well), it took on a different context.

Eli's was the equivalent of a kid writing on a school desk...a crime, sure, but you get detention for it, they don't call in the cops. And in Eli's case, it was like the janitorial staff telling him to write on the desk. So right there, wholly seperate things

[mybreakingpoint]

it's like this guy named his band after the location of his brain
wow. clever. what else you got? let's forget for a moment that we're all in our twenties and we should reasonably assume that we're all capable of having a discussion without pointless, pathetic attempts at insults.

[guccimaneburrrr]

if tony romo did it at giants stadium would this kid even be in here talking about it?

[mybreakingpoint]

Lets debunk this connection too...for fun.

You said it yourself in your post..."smaller scale"...one was a fan (who had no part in the game, and was outside the stadium where the game occurs) vandalizing a guys private property. In any context of the law...that's a crime. Especially since NFL players have had to defend themsevles at their homes (and have been killed in theirs as well), it took on a different context.

Eli's was the equivalent of a kid writing on a school desk...a crime, sure, but you get detention for it, they don't call in the cops. And in Eli's case, it was like the janitorial staff telling him to write on the desk. So right there, wholly seperate things
you yourself just called it a crime. sure, it's on a smaller scale, like i said from the beginning. my main point originally was that it was classless and juvenile. like i said, funny, but stupid. you just called it "a crime, sure", and so stupid or not, i think that makes the act itself and the person who did it, in turn, stupid.

[Chris M.]

This is a non-issue. Why do you people care?

[mybreakingpoint]

if tony romo did it at giants stadium would this kid even be in here talking about it?
hahaha you're going to call me a "kid". you're one year older than me, someone's a little high and mighty.

and Romo's done his fair share of stupid shit just like everyone else, and i don't him on a pedestal for it.

[preppyak]

that is not the same thing as an autograph.
Scenario 1: Staff member from Cowboys stadium comes up to Eli with a marker and a piece of paper, says "Eli, can you sign this for me?"...he signs it

Scenario 2: Staff member comes up to Eli with a marker and says "sign the wall after your win, to commemorate it"...Eli signs it.

Both pretty similar, and if someone from the building is telling you to do it (which is the story as far as I know it), I really don't see anything wrong with it.

[guccimaneburrrr]

This is a non-issue. Why do you people care?

i'm just perturbed that this kid is claiming vandalism and a crime blah blah blah

[mybreakingpoint]

Scenario 1: Staff member from Cowboys stadium comes up to Eli with a marker and a piece of paper, says "Eli, can you sign this for me?"...he signs it

Scenario 2: Staff member comes up to Eli with a marker and says "sign the wall after your win, to commemorate it"...Eli signs it.

Both pretty similar, and if someone from the building is telling you to do it (which is the story as far as I know it), I really don't see anything wrong with it.
so if your maid tells eli manning it's okay to write his name on your kitchen wall in sharpie, that's cool, right? it's your maid's house, not your's, it's obviously her call. it's a guy who works in the locker room; he doesn't own the locker room, it's not really his property, so is it really his place to tell someone else it's okay to write on the wall?

[mybreakingpoint]

i'm just perturbed that this kid is claiming vandalism and a crime blah blah blah
hahaha you're making this into a huge deal. by definition, it is in fact a form of vandalism. i could give a shit less about the act itself. i said that manning was acting classless and juvenile in doing it. do you really need to get your panties in a bunch because i don't like eli manning? get over yourself, mate.

[preppyak]

i'm just perturbed that this kid is claiming vandalism and a crime blah blah blah
I mean, unless I am missing part of the story...what I see is Eli takes advice from stadium worker, signs wall...probably not something he would have thought to do, but, when suggested to him, he probably thought "yeah, that'd be cool, to remember that whenever I come back here"

I consider Phillip Rivers and Jay Cutler yelling insults back and forth at each other across the field to be more indicative of character (and both are, not coincidentally, known to be dicks) than this little thing
do you really need to get your panties in a bunch because i don't like eli manning? get over yourself, mate.
Well...you were the one who compared it to both TO's excessive celebration and the McKelvin vandalism...both of which were bad analogies and tried to make Eli signing that wall into more than what it is (either by saying it was a "crime" or "excessive celebration").

[preppyak]

in other news, looks like Michael Turner is out for Atlanta

[mybreakingpoint]

I mean, unless I am missing part of the story...what I see is Eli takes advice from stadium worker, signs wall...probably not something he would have thought to do, but, when suggested to him, he probably thought "yeah, that'd be cool, to remember that whenever I come back here"

I consider Phillip Rivers and Jay Cutler yelling insults back and forth at each other across the field to be more indicative of character (and both are, not coincidentally, known to be dicks) than this little thing

Well...you were the one who compared it to both TO's excessive celebration and the McKelvin vandalism...both of which were bad analogies and tried to make Eli signing that wall into more than what it is (either by saying it was a "crime" or "excessive celebration").

i still personally believe that technically, it is both a crime (by definition) and excessive celebration in its own right. hundreds of QB's before Eli have won way bigger victories than that and managed not to deface the locker room of the opposing team out of class and maybe even respect for the people who actually own the building. i don't see why Eli thinks he's okay to do that, whether he was prompted by someone else or not, when i haven't ever heard of Brady, Peyton, or Favre writing on an opposing team's locker room walls. it's not really a big deal; this was all blown out of proportion. if you read the top of the thread, i was moving on to discuss other things, and it kept being brought back up. i don't think it's wrong of me to say that Manning write on an opposing team's locker room wall is a classless act. in fact, i remember from when i played football and basketball being specifically instructed during away games not to do anything to deface the opposing team's locker rooms in any way because it's disrespectful. so going off what i've learned as a person and a former athlete, i think it was a classless move on his part.

[mybreakingpoint]

in other news, looks like Michael Turner is out for Atlanta
Joey Porter's questionable, as are DeAngelo Williams and Antoine Winfield. shame so many players seem to be getting hurt more than usual lately.

[mybreakingpoint]

Hm...Kerry Rhodes fined $5k for tossing a ball into the stands, just a few days after Steven Jackson is fined for doing the same.

Baseballs are tossed into the crowd all the time, I don't see why tossing the football out there is such a big deal. :shrug:

[guccimaneburrrr]

probably has to do with the price of a baseball and football and the number of balls allotted for each game. a baseball has a life of 6 pitches because pitchers don't like using balls that have scuffs, wear and tear, etc.

[mybreakingpoint]

right, but from what i read, Rhodes was throwing a ball into the stands that he was going to keep anyway. he had 2 INT's on the game, and was going to keep the second, but threw it in the stands, so i don't see why that's a big deal if the ball wasn't going to be re-used anyway.

[FondestMemory]

Its a safety issue. You go into a baseball game knowing that balls entering the crowd is a part of the game. Its not a part of football.

If somebodys not paying attention and gets hit by a football thats thrown into the crowd it could potentially become a big headache. The fines are just to discourage doing that so they can avoid the potential headache.

[Killadelphia]

Hm...Kerry Rhodes fined $5k for tossing a ball into the stands, just a few days after Steven Jackson is fined for doing the same.

Baseballs are tossed into the crowd all the time, I don't see why tossing the football out there is such a big deal. :shrug:

It's a rule that is set in place. It's just a standard fine. The players know it and $5K is nothing to them. They probably donate it to charity and it is write-off anyway.

[Drew Beringer]

This has "jinx" written all over it:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/12/favrecover.jpg

http://deadspin.com/5419325/just-like-a-kids-book-out-there

[Shakriel]

This has "jinx" written all over it:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/12/favrecover.jpg

http://deadspin.com/5419325/just-like-a-kids-book-out-there

Smells like someone needs money.

Stopped reading the article the second I saw the youtupe video of Mott the Hoople. awesome. haha

[LikeAnAvalanche]

This has "jinx" written all over it:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/12/favrecover.jpg

http://deadspin.com/5419325/just-like-a-kids-book-out-there

I think you say these things, to kind of prove to yourself it is going to be a fluke year, and he is going to breakdown at the end. He is having arguably the best year of his career, if anything, he helped show tarvaris how an offense should be run.

Please don't continue to deem things as 'jinx's', or mention that we will 'find a way to blow it'. We live in the now, we live in the this season, sorry you aren't going to win the division. Just do me a favor and stop bad mouthing the vikings, or beat us, oh wait.

http://i46.tinypic.com/24y4uu0.jpg

[Flags of Dawn]

I think you say these things, to kind of prove to yourself it is going to be a fluke year, and he is going to breakdown at the end. He is having arguably the best year of his career, if anything, he helped show tarvaris how an offense should be run.

Please don't continue to deem things as 'jinx's', or mention that we will 'find a way to blow it'. We live in the now, we live in the this season, sorry you aren't going to win the division. Just do me a favor and stop bad mouthing the vikings, or beat us, oh wait.

http://i46.tinypic.com/24y4uu0.jpg
Or the regular season is not over and this book is acting as if they've already won the Super Bowl. The Vikings don't exactly have a sparkling playoff history, so quit acting like they're Super Bowl champs already. God, Viking fans here are ridiculous.

[Killadelphia]

In recent weeks, the Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi) have signed offensive tackle Winston Justice (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9625) and tight end Brent Celek (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10605) to long-term contract extensions. Now they're about to hand out the most significant extension of all.



Coach Andy Reid is on the verge of finalizing a long-term contract extension with the Eagles, the team he has coached since 1999, league sources said.
The extension could be announced as early as this week.
Reid's current contract is scheduled to run through the 2010 season, but the new deal will tie Reid to the Eagles for years to come.


Guess I need to find a new team.

[jimjam32]

hahaha jarred allen's mayne event was awesome.

[ArTkY_]

Let's go Texans. I'm preparing to be depressed already.

[Drew Beringer]

Guess I need to find a new team.
lol I can't believe it.

[Tyler Vagyler]

Antonio Bryant for the Bucs just a made an absolutely sick catch

[Ari Christos]

Redskins are fucking up the Saints, wow.

[LastPlaceRocks]

This has "jinx" written all over it:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/12/favrecover.jpg

http://deadspin.com/5419325/just-like-a-kids-book-out-there
Between the most successful team that hasn't won a Super Bowl and a paper which is in bankruptcy court, I don't know how much more jinxed you can get [or if those two plus Favre cancel each other out]

Or the regular season is not over and this book is acting as if they've already won the Super Bowl. The Vikings don't exactly have a sparkling playoff history, so quit acting like they're Super Bowl champs already. God, Viking fans here are ridiculous.
Have to keep up the good work somehow.

[Flags of Dawn]

Between the most successful team that hasn't won a Super Bowl and a paper which is in bankruptcy court, I don't know how much more jinxed you can get [or if those two plus Favre cancel each other out]


Have to keep up the good work somehow.
haha except you and another one (who's name i cant remember). i figured youd know that though.

[I am Mick]

Steelers are fucking pathetic in the fourth quarter.

[LikeAnAvalanche]

Or the regular season is not over and this book is acting as if they've already won the Super Bowl. The Vikings don't exactly have a sparkling playoff history, so quit acting like they're Super Bowl champs already. God, Viking fans here are ridiculous.

You should probably read what I said, never once did I promote us as super bowl champions, simply did I ask for him to stop down-talking my team, when we beat his, twice.

Also, he did have an incredible journey to Minnesota, it was called a hall of fame career.
He has led us on a crazy magical start, missed kicks by the Ravens, last second heroics against San Fran, don't nitpick. (if you are a packers fan, which I am just assuming because you are from WI, I could be wrong though) I can pull up all of the 'Brett Favre is washed up, his career is over' articles printed near and or around Green Bay for you, I hope the packers lose every week, very true, if we go 2-14 and beat the packers twice, I had a good year watching my team. And every-time something good happens for the Vikings, the packers find a way to try and tear it down. It's sad really. I know Aaron Rogers is a good player, I could sit here and mention he isn't AS good as favre, and be a complete dick towards the packers and downplay everything the fans say, but in all honesty, I try to keep my opinions un-biased.

The Packers fans around here are ridiculous.

/end rant.

also, ZIaSQ4kAZHM

[LastPlaceRocks]

haha except you and another one (who's name i cant remember). i figured youd know that though.
Probably Brenton, but to be fair they do have a point given the malaise that many people had about the team before Brett. The season's long from over, but Favre has led the Vikes on a great journey through twelve weeks - let's just hope he can complete it.

[Drew Beringer]

You should probably read what I said, never once did I promote us as super bowl champions, simply did I ask for him to stop down-talking my team, when we beat his, twice.

Also, he did have an incredible journey to Minnesota, it was called a hall of fame career.
He has led us on a crazy magical start, missed kicks by the Ravens, last second heroics against San Fran, don't nitpick. (if you are a packers fan, which I am just assuming because you are from WI, I could be wrong though) I can pull up all of the 'Brett Favre is washed up, his career is over' articles printed near and or around Green Bay for you, I hope the packers lose every week, very true, if we go 2-14 and beat the packers twice, I had a good year watching my team. And every-time something good happens for the Vikings, the packers find a way to try and tear it down. It's sad really. I know Aaron Rogers is a good player, I could sit here and mention he isn't AS good as favre, and be a complete dick towards the packers and downplay everything the fans say, but in all honesty, I try to keep my opinions un-biased.

The Packers fans around here are ridiculous.

/end rant.

also, ZIaSQ4kAZHM
lolol get more butt hurt dude. I didn't rip on the Vikings, I have said many times they are a good team on this forum and have congratulated the fans here on beating the Packers in two good games. I am just making fun of a stupid book and saying it has jinx on it.

[Flags of Dawn]

You should probably read what I said, never once did I promote us as super bowl champions, simply did I ask for him to stop down-talking my team, when we beat his, twice.

Also, he did have an incredible journey to Minnesota, it was called a hall of fame career.
He has led us on a crazy magical start, missed kicks by the Ravens, last second heroics against San Fran, don't nitpick. (if you are a packers fan, which I am just assuming because you are from WI, I could be wrong though) I can pull up all of the 'Brett Favre is washed up, his career is over' articles printed near and or around Green Bay for you, I hope the packers lose every week, very true, if we go 2-14 and beat the packers twice, I had a good year watching my team. And every-time something good happens for the Vikings, the packers find a way to try and tear it down. It's sad really. I know Aaron Rogers is a good player, I could sit here and mention he isn't AS good as favre, and be a complete dick towards the packers and downplay everything the fans say, but in all honesty, I try to keep my opinions un-biased.

The Packers fans around here are ridiculous.

/end rant.

also, ZIaSQ4kAZHM
i love how you got all confronty just because he's a packer fan. he never said one word about the packers being better or anything negative about the vikings in posting that, only that it was a jinx since the season is far from over. relax, and stop putting words into people's mouths, and you might stand a chance at being tolerated around here.

[Flags of Dawn]

Probably Brenton, but to be fair they do have a point given the malaise that many people had about the team before Brett. The season's long from over, but Favre has led the Vikes on a great journey through twelve weeks - let's just hope he can complete it.
yeah, I'm not trying to take anything away from them. Favre got exactly what he wanted by going to the Vikings, and he's been pretty smart with knowing when the talent around him is going to work, so it doesn't really surprise me that they're doing as well as they are. A lot of these people are forgetting there's a few other very very good teams this year, not to mention the cliche of "anything can happen in the playoffs." A little objectivity is all I ask for.

[LikeAnAvalanche]

i love how you got all confronty just because he's a packer fan. he never said one word about the packers being better or anything negative about the vikings in posting that, only that it was a jinx since the season is far from over. relax, and stop putting words into people's mouths, and you might stand a chance at being tolerated around here.

To be honest the community's approval doesn't really phase me. haha.

[Flags of Dawn]

clearly.

[jimjam32]

minnesota favre's looked great tonight by the way. lol

[LastPlaceRocks]

yeah, I'm not trying to take anything away from them. Favre got exactly what he wanted by going to the Vikings, and he's been pretty smart with knowing when the talent around him is going to work, so it doesn't really surprise me that they're doing as well as they are. A lot of these people are forgetting there's a few other very very good teams this year, not to mention the cliche of "anything can happen in the playoffs." A little objectivity is all I ask for.
So I missed most of the game playing hockey, but based upon the multiple text messages I got that talked about how the old gunslinger is back, your previous point is dead-on.

[SwiftSilentDead]

Not much to say about Matt Moore today. He didn't do bad but he wasn't that good, either. He just did enough to not lose the game basically. Will gladly take it over Delhomme turning the ball over, though. Tampa pretty much handed us the win today with the 5 interceptions,3 of which being gifts. Stewart being great on the ground also contributed. Not looking forward to playing the Patriots next week.

[Mibabalou]

do you guys know if there is a site or something where you can pick each teams remaining games and you will see who would get it?

[preppyak]

do you guys know if there is a site or something where you can pick each teams remaining games and you will see who would get it?
I know there was last year with a couple of games left...I forget who was running it, I want to say it was Yahoo or CBS

[Mibabalou]

I know there was last year with a couple of games left...I forget who was running it, I want to say it was Yahoo or CBS

yeah i guess ill just go look for it but i thought u guys would know if one was already around

[stupidtyonparad]

go pack go.

[jimjam32]

i feel disgusting because i want the cowboys to win this week.

[tonighttonight0]

Thought that during the after-game coverage last night they mentioned that Rodgers is on pace to have the highest passing yards in a season for the Packers. For a 2nd year starter that's pretty damn good.

[guccimaneburrrr]

i feel disgusting because i want the cowboys to win this week.

why? wouldn't you want the chargers to take the 2 spot in the afc so you can avoid them til the afc championship game?

[xbrokendownx]

Sports Illustrated all decade team

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/05/nfl.decade.team/index.html


Vrabel? really?

[J.C.]

All he does is catch touchdowns.

[Chris M.]

Disagree with Ward, Smith, Vrabel and Winfield on there. I probably would have went with either Kris Jenkins or Shaun Rogers at one of the DT spots too.

[jay_klinkhammer]

How can you disagree with Winfield?

[Flags of Dawn]

lol of course.

[Killadelphia]

Well, I guess I'm not talking Eagles games here until at least 2014.

[IcedOpethBlind]

Slaton out for the year


Steve Slaton (neck) will be placed on injured reserve, ending his season.

Slaton visited a spine specialist about the numbness in his shoulder on Tuesday and obviously got bad news. With Slaton inactive last week, Ryan Moats rushed 12 times and was targeted three times in the passing game. He'll share snaps with Chris Brown for the rest of the season. Slaton's long-term prognosis is unknown, but the Texans will almost certainly look for another back in the draft or free agency.

[xbrokendownx]

yikes, ouch

[pand75]

crap...

[xbrokendownx]

good, now miami doesnt have to worry about him in a few weeks

[Killadelphia]

somehow jim sorgi is done for the year...

[williek311]

That sucks, I love Steve Slaton. No homo.

[FondestMemory]

somehow jim sorgi is done for the year...

Sucks for him. He was probably gonna start the last two games.

[J.C.]

somehow jim sorgi is done for the year...

Pulled a muscle in his back bending over to pick up the clipboard he dropped.

[Killadelphia]

Pulled a muscle in his back bending over to pick up the clipboard he dropped.

shoulder injury, but okay.

[jimjam32]

somehow jim sorgi is done for the year...
that just means they're making room for curtis painter to play relief-pitching when manning sits the last few weeks. painter looked great in the pre-season and they wanna see if they've found manning's future replacement

i'm excited that this means the colts won't be throwing bubble-screens every play for the last few weeks!!!!

[jimjam32]

Sports Illustrated all decade team

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/05/nfl.decade.team/index.html


Vrabel? really?
jeff saturday > kevin mawae... but that's being ticky-tacky because they're close.

[guccimaneburrrr]

good, now miami doesnt have to worry about him in a few weeks

worry about what? the guy fucking sucked this year. you'd probably be better off with him playing, let him fumble 2 or 3 times.

[xbrokendownx]

Kellen Clemmens starting for the Jets Sunday

[Max_123]

got the week 14 thread going here
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1466081

[KidRobot]

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__19/ept_sports_nfl_experts-35616357-1260449709.jpg?ymtOoVCD4YC0aNmz

New name again.

[jimjam32]

hahaha awesome

[FondestMemory]

i hate chad johnson so much.

[guccimaneburrrr]

i really don't see how you can hate chad johnson. he is good for the league, imo. entertaining guy that enjoys playing the game and isn't a cynical piece of shit like some of the receivers in the league are.

[mht]

stay classy,

Saints fans.

YJzbIt37FVo

[splitsecond]

lol

[SlappedActor]

hahahaha, somebody should count how many times the words "who dey" were shouted in that video.

[mht]

lol



probably one of the best youtube videos I have ever watched

[ArTkY_]

That sucks, I love Steve Slaton. No homo.
Yeah, I love fumbles too.

[FondestMemory]

i really don't see how you can hate chad johnson. he is good for the league, imo. entertaining guy that enjoys playing the game and isn't a cynical piece of shit like some of the receivers in the league are.

i just can't stand him. i hate his personality and how he needs the attention to be on him.

there are plenty of players that enjoy playing the game but don't feel the need to do the extracurricular stuff.

i just grew tired of it years ago.

act like you've been there before. kids dying of cancer can score a touchdown and will celebrate less than he does catching a td against a 3-9 team.

there's a difference between showmanship and passion, and his game is overflowing with showmanship. i just can't stand that kinda shit.

[splitsecond]

probably one of the best youtube videos I have ever watched
it is certainly up there. kind of makes me rethink my secret love for the saints

[preppyak]

stay classy,

Saints fans.
What's insane about that video is that that guy bet his friends that the Redskins would be the Saints...and wagered his TV on it...

The rest of it kind of makes sense once you wrap your head around the fact that there is a guy that dumb, and that those are his friends

[SwiftSilentDead]

Seriously. Has that guy even seen both teams play this year?

[mht]

What's insane about that video is that that guy bet his friends that the Redskins would be the Saints...and wagered his TV on it...

The rest of it kind of makes sense once you wrap your head around the fact that there is a guy that dumb, and that those are his friends


I love the Saints fan that comes strutting out the vehicle with the cig dangling off his lips and the 12 pack in his hands just ready to cause chaos.

[splitsecond]

I am assuming the bet happened during the game and was posted via facebook in spite. But maybe I am giving the man too much credit, after all he did offer up his tv.

[splitsecond]

Also, if the Saints lose in the playoffs at home, all hell is going to break loose.

[I am Mick]

Steelers are absolutely pathetic.

[Rock]

Steelers are absolutely pathetic.
It's a sad day for the Steeler Nation. The Steelers have definitely got some soul searching to do after losing to three teams I didn't even think it was possible for them to lose to and ending their 6 year dominance of the Browns.

[jimjam32]

madden curse is rearing it's ugly head and ruining the steeler's season. maybe now with two players on the cover the curse only selects one? larry fitzgerald and the cards are playing well.



obviously it's not the madden curse

[kshtoinks12]

obviously it's not the madden curse [/QUOTE]
or is it?

[Killadelphia]

Was this posted?

YJzbIt37FVo&feature=player_embedded#

[guccimaneburrrr]

stay classy,

Saints fans.

YJzbIt37FVo

Was this posted?

YJzbIt37FVo&feature=player_embedded#

nope

[Killadelphia]

nope

I just asked a question...

[CarlosLunes]

smile!

[jimjam32]

I just asked a question...
good thing it was here in the sports forum rather than general forum. haha. people are much nicer here.

[Chris M.]

good thing it was here in the sports forum rather than general forum. haha. people are much nicer here.

Funny, considering almost anyone in the gen. forum has said the opposite about the sports forum for years.

[jimjam32]

Funny, considering almost anyone in the gen. forum has said the opposite about the sports forum for years.
weird, for me i've posted both places, everyone here seems more chill. actually most places on this site are more friendly than general.

[jimjam32]

pat patriot, the NE mascot arrested in prostitution-sting (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12648790/man-who-acts-as-patriots-mascot-arrested-in-sex-sting)

http://thelooper.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/pat-patriot.jpg

ruh roh

[JuneJuly]

I hate being a Bears fan right now.

[Mibabalou]

Also, if the Saints lose in the playoffs at home, all hell is going to break loose.

i agree

[Killadelphia]

Maclin out 1-2 weeks.

[SunnyInPhilly]

http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e20120a74d8b73970b-800wi

[preppyak]

yeah...about Moss:
We knew he was going to shut it down," Panthers cornerback Chris Gamble told me after the game. "That's what we wanted to do to him. That's what we did. ... He'd just give up a lot ... Slow down, he's not going deep, not trying to run a route. You can tell, his body language."

"You get physical with him, and I don't want to say he quits, but he kind of doesn't run the routes the way they're supposed to be run," safety Chris Harris told me. "If you get a jam on him, he'll just ease up."

[jimjam32]

that's about right.

[xbrokendownx]

from Schefter:

With his contract set to expire after this season, LB Brandon Chillar signed a four-year, $21 million contract extension with Packers.

[preppyak]

and in unsurprising Patriots news, looks like Adalius Thomas will be lucky to last the season as a Patriot...definitely won't be back in 2010 after this week's issues.

Ty Warren just called him out for leaking the information about players being kicked out of practice for being late

[xbrokendownx]

i love seeing the patriots seemingly start to implode

[guccimaneburrrr]

yet still have an 80 percent chance of winning the division

[xbrokendownx]

maybe, but they havent won a true road game yet this year and they still have 2 of them left

[guccimaneburrrr]

Chargers to give Norv Turner a contract extension. Shmehhhh. We are only this good because of our talent not because of our coaching. Don't know how I feel about it.

[FondestMemory]

Turner is awful. Luckiest dude in league history.

[guccimaneburrrr]

I can picture it now. We give him an extension. He makes a bonehead decision in the playoffs. Everybody wants him gone.

[FondestMemory]

marty would have won two superbowls with that roster by now.

[guccimaneburrrr]

or no. he did lead us to an early exit the year we went 14-2 so that leaves him the past two seasons to win two super bowls, which is highly unlikely considering what the pats were in 07-08.

[xbrokendownx]

im pumped for the remaining 3 weeks of the season and the East/Wild card races. im just pretty happy that Miami has been able to keep winning games for the most part despite all the injuries they've had. that Colts game definitely stings and couldve been the difference in our season. if only ted ginn could hang on to that last second throw....(or if only our defense could tackle that night)

its nice to have a relevant football team again

[xbrokendownx]

http://twitpic.com/tir1n


hahaha

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

marty would have won two superbowls with that roster by now.

ha Marty only wins regular season games.

[Drew Beringer]

http://is.gd/5nv5H

BBC reporting that London will host two NFL games in 2010

[Clark]

What do you think the chances are that, if the team is moved, the Jaguars are relocated to London?

I think Los Angeles would be the more obvious choice, but I've heard a lot of talk about London being a possibility.

[guccimaneburrrr]

Zero chance.

[Until The Bombs]

No chance in hell that any NFL teams goes to Europe anytime soon.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

IF they go international, they would expand to Canada or Mexico before Europe

[FondestMemory]

London will not get an nfl team. But the talk about it will help build hype amonst english fans and work towards making the nfl more relevant over there.

[Tim Lincecum]

God Jerry Rice was so good, lovin all these highlights on MNF

[Chris M.]

London will not get an NFL team over an American city or Toronto. Absolutely zero chance.

[Until The Bombs]

So London wouldn't get an NFL team over poduck Nebraska?

[Chris M.]

Obviously I meant an American city with a big enough population/fan base to support a team, i.e. Los Angeles.

[LastPlaceRocks]

So London wouldn't get an NFL team over poduck Nebraska?
It'd probably be the fourth largest city in the state after Omaha, Lincoln and Memorial Stadium on Saturdays.

[THE_SICKEST]

Did anybody else see the pregame tonight where Chris Carter talked about Moss' performance yesterday and was almost yelling about his lack of effort? I was glad that he got a chance to talk about it seeing as how much history those two have and how much of an impact Carter had on him early on in his career.

[startBBtoday]

teams are obviously double teaming moss and using single coverage on welker, which is why welker can get 10 receptions a game. obviously it's smart since the patriots are either losing or barely winning games. moss isn't getting many targets because he's double covered, not for lack of effort. this is a non-issue made an issue by the panthers secondary and the media. the panthers should be proud they shut down moss with double coverage rather than blaming it on a lack of effort from moss.

hell, maybe if moss shows a lack of effort in games again he'll get single coverage and he and brady can have a field day again.

[xbrokendownx]

so im not sure if anyone is still keeping up with the AP NFL yahoo pick em, but im winning apparently haha

[preppyak]

so im not sure if anyone is still keeping up with the AP NFL yahoo pick em, but im winning apparently haha
I missed one week of picks and went from 2nd to like 15th...I might be winning if I hadn't done that. Oh well, still doing pretty well in spite of that

[jimjam32]

i hate when chris carter talks. although i do think moss is lazy -- i still can't stand carter. he's an idiot. the only good nfl sportstalk guy on espn is tom jackson -- but even he is a manning-worshiper.

[mht]

sorry if a repost but...

RAIDERS – QB Bruce Gradowski has a torn MCL in one knee and a partially torn MCL in the other knee and will not play in the remainder of the ‘09 season.

holy hell that has to hurt.

[pand75]

poor raiders.

[Drew Beringer]

so im not sure if anyone is still keeping up with the AP NFL yahoo pick em, but im winning apparently haha
I'm in third I think.

[guccimaneburrrr]

Welcome back Jamarcus Russell!

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

or Welcome back Charlie Frye ?

Cable isn't ready to choose between Frye and Russell (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/14/SPTT1B4864.DTL)

[FondestMemory]

wow. that's like picking between syphilis and chlamydia.

[Killadelphia]

Looking like a go for Westbrook, but possibly no Celek.

[pand75]

oh wow i'm so fucked for my semis matchup if hes out. my league is dumb only allows 2 moves per week. I picked up Mare and SEA D/St this morning with no TE replacement...

[CarlosLunes]

they should just let westbrook sit

[Killadelphia]

they should just let westbrook sit

yeah it'd make sense, but he's not going to start anyway. They said McCoy and Weaver will still have plenty of touches. Might see Westbrook in only on 3rd downs.

[THE_SICKEST]

teams are obviously double teaming moss and using single coverage on welker, which is why welker can get 10 receptions a game. obviously it's smart since the patriots are either losing or barely winning games. moss isn't getting many targets because he's double covered, not for lack of effort. this is a non-issue made an issue by the panthers secondary and the media. the panthers should be proud they shut down moss with double coverage rather than blaming it on a lack of effort from moss.

hell, maybe if moss shows a lack of effort in games again he'll get single coverage and he and brady can have a field day again.

I dont know about that because I saw this kind of thing so many times when Moss was in MN. His teams not playing well late in the season, he's not getting the ball, so he just doesn't play very hard. Im not a Moss hater or anything im just saying this isn't the first time he's done this. It's pretty much how he's been for his entire career.

[CarlosLunes]

yeah it'd make sense, but he's not going to start anyway. They said McCoy and Weaver will still have plenty of touches. Might see Westbrook in only on 3rd downs.

I hope ingram comes back strong next year

[Killadelphia]

I hope ingram comes back strong next year

Yeah, Celek and Ingram will be ridiculous in the red zone.

[SunnyInPhilly]

I hope ingram comes back strong next year

I hope Bradley comes back strong next year. I'm not expecting Ingram to ever contribute anything of value to this team after shredding the same knee two years in a row. If I'm wrong, good. Hopefully I am.

[SwiftSilentDead]

They're saying that Marty Hurney and John Fox might actually keep their jobs next year. It's mostly because they each have one year left on their contracts and Richardson doesn't want to pay the $6 million he would owe them if he were to let them go after this year. Not good news....hopefully Davidson will be gone at least.

[xbrokendownx]

Raiders signed JP Losman!

[mht]

Raiders signed JP Losman!


lol no way

[LastPlaceRocks]

Raiders signed JP Losman!
It's a sad day for the UFL.

On second thought, were the Raiders relegated there?

[pand75]

Losman is a legendary Bill

[preppyak]

Raiders signed JP Losman!
how damning is that for Jamarcus Russell...the team goes out and signs a guy who can start right away to keep him off the field basically. And they are willing to start Charlie Frye over him as well. Talk about a guy whose career is over

[we are cured]

hey if you gave me $31.5m guaranteed and told me my career was over, i'd be fine with that

[FondestMemory]

how damning is that for Jamarcus Russell...the team goes out and signs a guy who can start right away to keep him off the field basically. And they are willing to start Charlie Frye over him as well. Talk about a guy whose career is over

yeah. it's not likely he'll be a raider next year. his salary next season is 10 mil, and he's due a 5 mil roster bonus in march. even the raiders aren't stupid enough to pay somebody 15 mil to not play.

and expect jim fassel to play a key part in what the raiders do next year. whether it's as coach or adviser, he'll be a key part.

that says a lot about your franchise when your attempt at fixing it is bringing in jim fassel.

[mht]

the UFLification of the Raiders

[owiseone35]

The Raiders are set back a good like 5- 7 years with Russel being such a bust. He shouldn't even be in the NFL by next year.

[FondestMemory]

not really. generally whiffing on a qb at number one can set a team back about five years, but that's not really the case for the raiders.

they have a defense that has the potential to be solid. they have playmakers at rb, and they have decent young receivers.

although they're bad, they're not as bad from a talent standpoint as you would assume with first look. if you put a capable qb in that offense and get the defense to play how they're capable, you're looking at a respectable team.

if they'd have went into this season with jeff garcia as their starter, we'd be looking at a completely different raiders team right now. not saying they'd make the playoffs or anything, but they could potentially win 6-8 games and be competitive on a week to week basis.

i think they try to sign gradkowski again this offseason, and bring in another veteran and have an open competition.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I agree. The Raiders are not that far from being more competitive. They are closer than the Chiefs.

[mht]

is gradkowski even going to ever play again? it's not like it's one leg its both lol

[preppyak]

although they're bad, they're not as bad from a talent standpoint as you would assume with first look. if you put a capable qb in that offense and get the defense to play how they're capable, you're looking at a respectable team.
Like Gradkowski...who led them to victories over Pittsburgh and Cincy. Even if he's not the answer next year due to rehab, etc...getting a guy like Garcia or a vet who can not screw up games could definitely have them at least contending.

Imagine them with Crabtree instead of DHB...they'd have two, young, solid WR's (and Davis would have handed Crabtree his huge deal, so he doesn't miss training camp) that could pair with a future QB. They'd actually look good for the next 5 years potentially
is gradkowski even going to ever play again? it's not like it's one leg its both lol
Its a partial tear in one leg (so no surgery maybe) and a tear in the other...either way its the same recovery/rehab time frame. He can probably be ready in time for mini-camps, at the very least he'd be good by training camp. If it was two torn ACL's I'd say he'd be done for a long time

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Frye IS starting

[Throwback]

Frye IS starting
Hilarious. Jamarcus blows.

Also, those were some cute comments Roy Williams.

[guccimaneburrrr]

Chris Henry seriously injured in a car-crash.

[Killadelphia]

Henry is dead, wow.

[IcedOpethBlind]

wow

[guccimaneburrrr]

this is fucked up

Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry was injured after coming out of the back of a pickup truck during a domestic dispute in north Charlotte. Officers were called out to Oakdale Road near I-485 and Statesville Road just before noon in reference to a person down. When officers arrived, they found Henry in the road, with life-threatening injuries.
Paramedics transported Henry to Carolinas Medical Center, where he is being treated, according to police. Police say Henry was involved in a “domestic situation” with his fiancee at 840 Peachtree Road. His fiancee, who was not named in a press release, got into a pickup truck and drove away from the home. As she was driving, police say, Henry jumped into the bed of the truck.
The domestic dispute continued between the driver of the truck and Henry. At some point, Henry came out of the back of the vehicle.
He was found by police about half a mile from the house in question.
A team spokesman confirmed that the parents of Henry’s fiancee live in Charlotte, though it’s unclear if he was visiting them.

[pand75]

holy shit, RIP Chris Henry...

[J.C.]

Who's reporting he died?

[TMartin442]

No one has confirmed that he is dead, but it has been reported that homicide incestigators were sent to the scene of the accident.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/21985946/detail.html

[preppyak]

Who's reporting he died?
no legit sites I've seen yet...and Google News turns up no sources that way. Right now its some small blogs and fan pages.

edit: Even TMZ isn't saying he's dead...so, I'd say he isn't

[guccimaneburrrr]

apparently the guy from the dallas morning news started the rumor. what a douchebag.

[preppyak]

Alex Marvez of FOXSports reports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/121609-Bengals-Henry) that Henry is on life support.

and sounds like the Dallas twitter account was a fake

[guccimaneburrrr]

life support basically means dead

[J.C.]

It was surely a head injury, which means he was going to be in trouble even if he manages/managed to survive.

[preppyak]

ooof...sounds like he had just bought the rings for his wedding today
Tonga had gone to her MySpace page, writing about how she just "put deposIt down 4 weDDing piCs... Paid 4 ouR riNgs."

[Killadelphia]

Heard he is brain dead, so even if he survives, he'll be a vegetable.

[CarlosLunes]

that head of his has never really functioned

[guccimaneburrrr]

wonder what kind of charges the fiancee will face.

[lostxmyxmind]

The account saying that he was dead has been announced as a hoax. Almost all of the reports say that the injuries are life threatening, though.

[guccimaneburrrr]

really?!?!?! thanks! i totally didn't see the previous 5 posts in here.

[lostxmyxmind]

really?!?!?! thanks! i totally didn't see the previous 5 posts in here.
Sorry, some people seemed like they were still wondering. Chill out.

[J.C.]

burrrrrrrrrrrr

Play nice.

[preppyak]

Jim Donovan of WKYC-TV has reported during the Wednesday evening newcast that the Browns have offered a front-office position to former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren.

Per the report, the offer is in the range of $8 million to $10 million per year.