I crack up when people say "I was wearing a condom so we were safe!"

[xvszero]

'Are they effective?
Condoms are effective if they are used consistently and correctly every time you have sexual intercourse. Effectiveness rates (http://www.engenderhealth.org/wh/fp/ceff.html) are expressed in terms of how many women experience pregnancies during their first year of using the method. Perfect use reflects correct and consistent use, according to specified instructions, with every sex act. Typical use reflects the fact that most couples do not use their contraceptive methods correctly or consistently with every sex act; this rate, therefore, is considered more accurate than perfect use.
With perfect use: three women out of 100 will become pregnant.
With typical use: 14 women out of 100 will become pregnant.'I guess if a 14% chance of pregnancy within the first year of usage is safe, then condoms are safe as hell! And they're even worse against STDs, many of which are much smaller than sperm. Of course, condom manufacturers love using the 3% number even though the 14% number is the one that is actually happening in the actual real world.

So kids, remember... condoms alone aren't that effective. Make sure she is on birth control. Or something. And remember monogamous sex with a partner you know is always much safer regarding STDs.

*CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST "THE MORE YOU KNOW" PICTURE SO IMAGINE IT HERE

[apoemtothedead]

noted.

[TheByrus]

with stomach punches, 0/10 women stay pregnant.

[FScott]

with stomach punches, 0/10 women stay pregnant.

true and very effective

[usedsock182]

with stomach punches, 0/10 women stay pregnant.

you're the perfect guy for me!

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I've gone through probably 100 condoms or more and I've yet to experience even a WORRY about her being pregnant.


....Does this mean I "properly" use my condoms?

[Dude Love]

Condoms are for little boys. The Dude just pulls out and busts romantically in her eye.

[xvszero]

I've gone through probably 100 condoms or more and I've yet to experience even a WORRY about her being pregnant.


....Does this mean I "properly" use my condoms?

Is she/they on birth control? Birth control is way more effective, and added to condoms even that much more effective. But condoms alone aren't all that effective.

The problem is they gave stats for couples for a year, but didn't say how much sex was involved. Are these couples having sex 50, 100, 200 times a year?

Let's say say 100 times a year. That means for 100 times you have a 14% failure rate for normal usage, 3% for ideal. So if you are normal, and you used 100 condoms, you had a 14% chance of getting a girl pregnant. Obviously only if my 100 times a year for the study assumption is correct.

Of course people in committed relationships probably have more consistant "right" usage of condoms since they have real routines. So it is hard to say for sure what your odds are.

They weren't anything I'd risk myself though. Not that I ever have sex anyway.

[GhostsDaddy]

Is she/they on birth control? Birth control is way more effective, and added to condoms even that much more effective. But condoms alone aren't all that effective.

The problem is they gave stats for couples for a year, but didn't say how much sex was involved. Are these couples having sex 50, 100, 200 times a year?

Let's say say 100 times a year. That means for 100 times you have a 14% failure rate for normal usage, 3% for ideal. So if you are normal, and you used 100 condoms, you had a 14% chance of getting a girl pregnant. Obviously only if my 100 times a year for the study assumption is correct.

Of course people in committed relationships probably have more consistant "right" usage of condoms since they have real routines. So it is hard to say for sure what your odds are.

They weren't anything I'd risk myself though. Not that I ever have sex anyway.
The pill:

Perfect use: 1/100 chance of getting pregnant the first year of use
Typical use: 8/100 chance of getting pregnant the first year of use

Combined (Pill and condom):

Perfect use: 3/1000 chance of getting pregnant the first year of use
Typical use: 1.12/100 chance of getting pregnant the first year of use

[popdisaster00]

My girlfriend and I were using a condom during sex (we always do) about a month ago and it broke. I came in her. We got the morning after pill and now, we still use condoms, but i pull out because I'm afraid one is going to break again. Seriously, if you use condoms- dont use thin ones. They will fucking break or snap if you do any sort of movement, i swear.

She's got an appointment in a couple weeks for the pill. =)

[SilverStar89]

So are they now paying people at Planned Parenthood to spam message boards too?

[Ryan Imhof]

So are they now paying people at Planned Parenthood to spam message boards too?
I was thinking the same..

[allelish]

Are the figures dependant on what time of the month you have sex?

[matt_rawlings]

This is why I kill girls after I mate with them.

Sometimes to be super safe I kill them before I have sex with them

[Jra1]

Condoms are as effective as you can get... the only reason you get force fed all this anti-contraception bullshit is because America has taken a fingers-in-ears-and-scream-abstinence viewpoint for sex.

i've been through my fair share of latex and never even had the slightest worry about it, stop reading all the church-approved rubbish thats published about condoms and just accept that Condoms arent 100% safe, but theyre close to it....

[Adeniz19]

Condoms are as effective as you can get... the only reason you get force fed all this anti-contraception bullshit is because America has taken a fingers-in-ears-and-scream-abstinence viewpoint for sex.

i've been through my fair share of latex and never even had the slightest worry about it, stop reading all the church-approved rubbish thats published about condoms and just accept that Condoms arent 100% safe, but theyre close to it....the thread maker wasnt screaming abstinence.... just trying to make people more aware.

[Jra1]

not saying he was, just saying the reason these 'facts' that he's posted are surfacing atm is because US has decided that abstinence isnt the best policy, it's the only policy... so theyre making condoms and other forms of contraception look bad.

however teen pregnancy rates still steadily rise, kids will always have sex, noone can stop that happening... the BEST option is to teach them about the many forms of contraception available and the best ways to use them while still suggesting abstinence, not force feed them made up statistics and only teach them abstinence.

for instance i once heard a girl was taught that 'condoms are designed to break'... ofcourse they arent, thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

[Adeniz19]

not saying he was, just saying the reason these 'facts' that he's posted are surfacing atm is because US has decided that abstinence isnt the best policy, it's the only policy... so theyre making condoms and other forms of contraception look bad.

however teen pregnancy rates still steadily rise, kids will always have sex, noone can stop that happening... the BEST option is to teach them about the many forms of contraception available and the best ways to use them while still suggesting abstinence, not force feed them made up statistics and only teach them abstinence.

for instance i once heard a girl was taught that 'condoms are designed to break'... ofcourse they arent.i think that's what the purpose of this thread was.

1. learn how to put a condom on properly
2. use more then one type of birth control to lower your risk.

[Jra1]

i think that's what the purpose of this thread was.

1. learn how to put a condom on properly
2. use more then one type of birth control to lower your risk.
im adding to the thread... not slating it...

however the statistics he's posted sound completely wrong... but the reasoning behind it is right; be as safe as you can. But don't beleive every statistic you're told about contraception at the moment.

[MaryJane]

This is why I kill girls after I mate with them.

Sometimes to be super safe I kill them before I have sex with them

sex with corpses....
priceless

[catscradle]

Condoms are as effective as you can get... the only reason you get force fed all this anti-contraception bullshit is because America has taken a fingers-in-ears-and-scream-abstinence viewpoint for sex.

i've been through my fair share of latex and never even had the slightest worry about it, stop reading all the church-approved rubbish thats published about condoms and just accept that Condoms arent 100% safe, but theyre close to it....
you just don't pay much attention to the facts do you. The only effective contraceptive is abstinence. I'm not here preaching abstinence or anything but the pill and condoms do not always work and condoms fail more often than you would think. It has nothing to do with religion or a push towards abstinence, it is a fact. Most of this is reported through medical journals and studies that has been repeated multiple times. It's not just some fanatic religious group making up numbers. Go to any condom producers website and it will give you the same facts as well.


Out of curiousity, what's the problem with abstinence anyway?

[preppyak]

Out of curiousity, what's the problem with abstinence anyway?
As a personal preference, there is none....

As a method of teaching about safe sex...it's the equivalent of telling kids the way to prevent a fire is to not use matches ever...

[catscradle]

As a personal preference, there is none....

As a method of teaching about safe sex...it's the equivalent of telling kids the way to prevent a fire is to not use matches ever...
but is telling them to not play with matches necessarily a bad thing? i understand what you are trying to say. But it's not a bad thing to have kids not running around playing with matches.

There are things like planned parent hood that are much more effective forms of preventing things like unwanted pregnancies rather than using contraceptives. All in all i just want to say don't put so much faith in something like condoms or the pill b/c if you aren't careful things will come around and bite you in the ass. Sex is nothing to take nonchalantly as one must be responsible when they actively participating in sex. We don't want to be over run by the degenerates of society who don't know what responsibility is.

[preppyak]

but is telling them to not play with matches necessarily a bad thing? i understand what you are trying to say. But it's not a bad thing to have kids not running around playing with matches. I know your point...but abstinence when taught, from what I have seen (from friends taught taht way) is never taught in combo with condoms, etc. The obvious ideal is to teach both...but, when does the ideal happen in the American school system?

Perhaps the best analogy I can come up with is this...since it can't be as easily twisted. Teaching abstinence alone is like German schools not teaching the existence of the Holocaust...it ignores something that has a huge impact on their life, and makes it highly more likely that when they do find out it exists (sex/Hitler), that the result will be poor.

I think that;s the first time I've ever compared sex education and the Holocaust before...now that I think about it


There are things like planned parent hood that are much more effective forms of preventing things like unwanted pregnancies rather than using contraceptives. All in all i just want to say don't put so much faith in something like condoms or the pill b/c if you aren't careful things will come around and bite you in the ass. Sex is nothing to take nonchalantly as one must be responsible when they actively participating in sex. We don't want to be over run by the degenerates of society who don't know what responsibility is. I fully agree with you on these points though...and that sex has been so desensitized as a major event in a person's life is sad...but, clearly teaching that it shouldn't happen didn't work, perhaps teaching the safest ways to do it (contraception/Planned Parenthood, etc) is the right way....

I still believe the reason why STD transmission, etc is so a big thing still is because people still don't use condoms/birth control/anything...not because they aren't as effective as people think they are

[GhostsDaddy]

As a personal preference, there is none....

As a method of teaching about safe sex...it's the equivalent of telling kids the way to prevent a fire is to not use matches ever...

I disagree.

Personally, I don't care who has sex with whom, but I'm practicing abstinence as a personal preference.

In reference to your analogy though, there are other ways to start a fire than playing with matches. There's no other way to have a baby than to have sex. Completely different.

Teaching abstinence alone is like German schools not teaching the existence of the Holocaust

There's also a difference between teaching about abstinence as a method of safe sex and teaching abstinence as the method of safe sex. I don't think there's any school in America that denies that sex doesn't happen. Teaching abstinence is just teaching the most effective way of prevented pregnancy.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

so i brag here how i never had bad luck with condoms.

today, it didn't break, but i DID leave it (wrapped up in some tissues of course) on her nightstand, and her dad DID find it.

kind of awkward, good thing he just said he was disappointed, but didn't really care.

[xvszero]

Condoms are as effective as you can get... the only reason you get force fed all this anti-contraception bullshit is because America has taken a fingers-in-ears-and-scream-abstinence viewpoint for sex.

i've been through my fair share of latex and never even had the slightest worry about it, stop reading all the church-approved rubbish thats published about condoms and just accept that Condoms arent 100% safe, but theyre close to it....

Funny, I feel the exact opposite. The only reason you have all these teenagers running around thinking condoms are so effective is because they are taught "abstinance first" for about 3 seconds then told all this and that about condoms and don't remember much else other than throw on a condom "to be safe."

Which is total bullshit. SafeR, but they never really explain that the risks are still high enough that it isn't really "safe." You have all these kids running around thinking if they throw on a condom before sex it is highly unlikely that anything happens. Then low and behold someone gets an STD or someone gets pregnant and they're actually SHOCKED because they learned at school that condoms are "effective" against pregnancies and STDs!

PS I don't get these numbers from right wing sites, its all on the US Department of Health and Human Services website if you care to find it, though navigating that thing is a bitch sometimes.

See, for instance, like I said at first... condoms are FAR from as effective as you can get.

When dealing with pregnancies, birth control is much more effective. And birth control plus condoms is even that much more effective.

When dealing with STDs, condoms have a very bad failure rate. The most effective way to have sex and avoid STDs is simply being in a monogamous relationship with someone you trust.

Throwing on a condom half-drunken at a party to bang some chick you met a few hours earlier who swears she is clean and on birth control... no, sorry, not very effective at all.

But hey, good to see our sex education has failed yet another person.

[xvszero]

im adding to the thread... not slating it...

however the statistics he's posted sound completely wrong... but the reasoning behind it is right; be as safe as you can. But don't beleive every statistic you're told about contraception at the moment.

They sound wrong because most everyone talks about the ideal statistic and ignores the real life one.

http://www.4parents.gov/topics/contraception.htm

There is another source, which is directly linked from the Health and Human Services website and is itself a government site. It says condoms have a 15% failure rate for one year usage.

This isn't some right-wing conspiracy. The fact is condoms just aren't super effective.

[xvszero]

So are they now paying people at Planned Parenthood to spam message boards too?

Actually Planned Parenthood is very left-wing and rarely gives out the real numbers.

[Neo Cassady]

or you can prevent STD's by not being a whore.

[xvszero]

Yeah that is pretty much what I said, monogamous partner you trust.

WHY DOES THIS DAMN THING KEEP SAYING MY MESSAGES ARE TOO SHORT DOES IT WANT ME TO SPAM THEM WITH POINTLESS CRAP TO GET THEM LONGER?!!?!

[preppyak]

I disagree.

Personally, I don't care who has sex with whom, but I'm practicing abstinence as a personal preference.

In reference to your analogy though, there are other ways to start a fire than playing with matches. There's no other way to have a baby than to have sex. Completely different.
Yes there is, artificial insemination...also, some would claim immaculate conception. I see your point, but it is moot, since I was talking about more than just pregnancy, as I mentioned STD's as well. There are multiple ways to transmit STD's, something that abstinence thought process ignores, since "sex" is usually defined as intercourse, not "outer-corse"


There's also a difference between teaching about abstinence as a method of safe sex and teaching abstinence as the method of safe sex. I don't think there's any school in America that denies that sex doesn't happen. Teaching abstinence is just teaching the most effective way of prevented pregnancy.
True... but you clearly have too much faith in our school system. The way abstinence is taught in many schools is that you shouldn't have sex...not that it's the only 100% way of avoiding it. In the 3 cases I know if it being taught (2 through friends, 1 myself I sat in on), proper condom usage, etc is never taught. It wasn't until I went to college that the education system addressed in in mass form...via a sex talk

Teaching abstinence as the only foolproof way is a two sentence lesson, and that sentence is usually what comes after contraceptive use is taught, which is not "teaching abstience"....

Teaching abstinence in a true form is usually not even a lesson in full, those school's don't have "Sex Ed", they have Health classes where whenever sex comes up, it's said essentially "Don't do it". Things like condoms, STD's, etc are barely even touched on, if at all...

Is that preparing people to practice safe sex...?

And this is of course ignoring schools (like Cathloic perhaps...I'm not sure how they teach it) that due to religious/etc reasons, don't accept contraceptive usage

[preppyak]

Yeah that is pretty much what I said, monogamous partner you trust.

WHY DOES THIS DAMN THING KEEP SAYING MY MESSAGES ARE TOO SHORT DOES IT WANT ME TO SPAM THEM WITH POINTLESS CRAP TO GET THEM LONGER?!!?!
It would explain the general forum norms...

[Juliana101]

the safest way is to bust in her hair.

[A picasso blue]

This is why I kill girls after I mate with them.

Sometimes to be super safe I kill them before I have sex with them
hhahhaa aaahh..


good ol' necrophilia jokes

[Take Heart]

hhahhaa aaahh..


good ol' necrophilia jokes

Seriously, is there such thing as a bad necrophilia joke? I can't think of one.

[GhostsDaddy]

Well, the way that I received sex ed and STD ed was with a slideshow of a bunch of people that have STDs. A number of kids had to get up and leave so they could throw up. It was kind of cool.

Around where I grew up, at least, this is commonplace in every school system. They get an official from the health department to come to every school and tell them why they should be safe and blah blah blah.

Of course, kids these days don't give a shit about their bodies and just hope for the best anyway, so teaching them isn't really going to do any good.