Castrating Pedophiles

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58O4LE20090925
Poland is game.

Thoughts on this?

[Mitch]

Sort of a sensationalist headline, no?

I do not agree with mandatory chemical castration; their fulfilled prison sentence should be the end of their being that much of a prisoner. Not to mention the fact that no state should be able to mandate the altering someone's chemical makeup.

[Kozzy333]

Not game.

[fightinirish217]

Poland is badass. Not sure I'm game though.

[Smash Adams]

not game, seems to be towing the line of vengeance and I don't think it will work

[Nick Hull]

an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

[MyNameIsRoss]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/Confusobot/BigLebowski-8YearOldsDude.jpg

[Praetor]

Opposed.

[maxvsmaradona]

Game: blouses.

[denissuxx]

Tusk said he did not believe "one can use the term 'human' for such individuals, such creatures."

Agree, disagree with castration - they should never be released from prison IMO, meaning there would be no need for castration

[jwicklun]

i hate pedophiles with a passion, but this deems the line of cruel and unusual.

[anamericangawd]

would castration remove the pedophile thoughts and shit
i mean
wouldn't they just still grab kids and be creepy

[IanIsSuperRad]

Come on, Poland. I thought you had respect for human rights.*

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/galleries/auschperiod/Auschwitz%20gate%201940.jpg


*Before anyone jumps down my throat, yes, this is a sensationalized comparison.

[Machu505]

I support this 100%.

[xshady121]

Good to know poland doesn't care about civil liberties.

[WakingTheMisery]

I thought there were places already preforming this? I think they should offer something like this as a part of a reduced sentencing or plea agreement. Mandatory is a little excessive.

[Thriftstoresuit]

would castration remove the pedophile thoughts and shit
i mean
wouldn't they just still grab kids and be creepy

right? I don't see how castration could properly solve the problem, short of being some sick revenge scheme.
I mean, unless of course they made lobotomies mandatory as well. which, at this rate, doesn't seem far off

[Machu505]

Increase the prison sentence for sex offenders and I'll be happy to rescind my support for this. Until then, the possibility of another offense after release resulting in pregnancy is completelty possible. This is not about revenge; it's about protecting people.

Also, does the Polish law sterilize women? If not, then it's sexist too.

[x togepi x]

Increase the prison sentence for sex offenders and I'll be happy to rescind my support for this. Until then, the possibility of another offense after release resulting in pregnancy is completelty possible. This is not about revenge; it's about protecting people.

Also, does the Polish law sterilize women? If not, then it's sexist too.

Why do you suddenly care about recidivism in this case but not any other crime ever?

[Machu505]

Why do you suddenly care about recidivism in this case but not any other crime ever?
Since when don't I?

[Analog Rebellion]

It's the year 2009. Execution as well as castration shouldn't even cross our minds.

Texas executed an innocent man a few years ago. That should be the end of the death penalty.

[Machu505]

It's the year 2009. Execution as well as castration shouldn't even cross our minds.

Texas executed an innocent man a few years ago. That should be the end of the death penalty.
Nobody said anything about execution.

[WakingTheMisery]

Texas executed an innocent man a few years ago. That should be the end of the death penalty.

Shouldn't have had all of that evidence stacked against him. :shrug:

[Analog Rebellion]

Shouldn't have had all of that evidence stacked against him. :shrug:
Yeah like having an Iron Maiden poster in his house and a skull tattoo on his arm (both of which were used as evidence against him). :-|

There wasn't any evidence. Such was proven by multiple high profile arson investigators.

[WakingTheMisery]

Yeah like having an Iron Maiden poster in his house and a skull tattoo on his arm (both of which were used as evidence against him). :-|

I LOVE TEXAS. Some of the things that go on there seem so backward. No offense to Texans.

[Analog Rebellion]

Nobody said anything about execution.
But the argument against both is the same. We're not in the Dark Ages anymore.

[Analog Rebellion]

I LOVE TEXAS. Some of the things that go on there seem so backward. No offense to Texans.
Unfortunately, this is true. My girlfriend (who is from Arizona) doesn't understand why I'm so scared of the little kids in my neighborhood. I avoid them like the plague, because I'm legitimately scared that some paranoid parent in my neighborhood is going to accuse me of being a pedophile and then use the fact that I'm an atheist and I go on 4chan as evidence. :shake:

I forget the comedians name (I'll try and find it), but he does some jokes on the issue. So true.

[Analog Rebellion]

zc--FjGgAig
Hahaha here it is.

[SincerelyMe]

What about the fact that someone who was accused and convicted may actually be innocent? I'm not one to stand up for pedophiles, but wrongful convictions happen, and they shouldn't result in something irreversible.

[x togepi x]

Since when don't I?

so....would you support similar things done to people for other crimes?

[Thriftstoresuit]

I guess this will have to suffice, since we aren't allowed to cut the hands off of thieves anymore.



/sarcasm

[Analog Rebellion]

What about the fact that someone who was accused and convicted may actually be innocent? I'm not one to stand up for pedophiles, but wrongful convictions happen, and they shouldn't result in something irreversible.
Especially with things like rape. Wrongful accusations (and sometimes, as a result, wrongful convictions) are VERY common.

[xshady121]

Increase the prison sentence for sex offenders and I'll be happy to rescind my support for this. Until then, the possibility of another offense after release resulting in pregnancy is completelty possible. This is not about revenge; it's about protecting people.

Also, does the Polish law sterilize women? If not, then it's sexist too.


Taking away the drivers license of someone who repeatedly gets DUI's is about protecting people. That's taking away a privilege.

Taking away someone's right to reproduce is wrong. Period. Regardless of what crimes they've committed.

[Analog Rebellion]

Taking away the drivers license of someone who repeatedly gets DUI's is about protecting people. That's taking away a privilege.

Taking away someone's right to reproduce is wrong. Period. Regardless of what crimes they've committed.
It also dramatically alters the physiological makeup of someone's body to not have testicles. There are a lot of side effects of castration (chemical or invasive) besides just not producing sperm.

[iheartmusic043]

I don't think this is cruel at all. In America, pedophiles are practically have their rights proteced. I think if you're a pedophile, you have no rights. I agree with castrating pedopholes 100%.

[SincerelyMe]

Especially with things like rape. Wrongful accusations (and sometimes, as a result, wrongful convictions) are VERY common.

Wrongful convictions for things like rape are actually pretty rare because it's really hard to get someone convicted of rape (there's usually not much evidence), but regardless, they still happen and nobody should have to go through something such as castration for something they didn't do.

[x togepi x]

I don't think this is cruel at all. In America, pedophiles are practically have their rights proteced. I think if you're a pedophile, you have no rights. I agree with castrating pedopholes 100%.

how exactly are pedophiles rights protected?

[Analog Rebellion]

I don't think this is cruel at all. In America, pedophiles are practically have their rights proteced. I think if you're a pedophile, you have no rights. I agree with castrating pedopholes 100%.
I'd ask for an explanation or source, but I know there isn't one, so I won't bother. Pedophiles get arrested and go to jail, therefor, convicted pedophiles already get their rights taken away.

[xshady121]

I don't think this is cruel at all. In America, pedophiles are practically have their rights proteced. I think if you're a pedophile, you have no rights. I agree with castrating pedopholes 100%.

Obviously you are not familiar with natural and inalienable rights.

[Praetor]

No guys, you've got it all wrong. Civil liberties only apply to people that we like.

[iheartmusic043]

Pedophiles in many other countries are killed, in America they get to live in a prison. Many only for a few years. Many Americans are shocked by the punishments of criminals in other countries because America is relatively lenient when it comes to punishing criminals. Pedophiles in jail are granted the right to live, food, shelter, and amazing health coverage, and there are alot of U.S. citizens without these.

[iheartmusic043]

If you commit a terrible crime, like rape, I believe you pretty much have given up your inalienable and natural rights.

[sleepyseanzzz]

Game: blouses.

"You guys want some pancakes?"

[Praetor]

If you commit a terrible crime, like rape, I believe you pretty much have given up your inalienable and natural rights.
...do you know what inalienable means? They can't be inalienable liberties if you can give them up. Contradict yourself more.

[xshady121]

If you commit a terrible crime, like rape, I believe you pretty much have given up your inalienable and natural rights.

I expected to see "-dick cheney" or "-karl rove" after that statement. I didn't think anyone else could say something so outrageously off base.

[xshady121]

If you commit a terrible crime, like rape, I believe you pretty much have given up your inalienable and natural rights.

Inalienable rights are just that. Inalienable.

Synonyms:
adjective: imprescriptible
If you say that someone has an inalienable right to something, you are emphasizing that they have a right to it which cannot be changed or taken away. ADJ usu ADJ n formal emphasis
He said the republic now had an inalienable right to self-determination.
...respect for the inalienable rights of peoples and nations.

[iheartmusic043]

Inalienable rights are just that. Inalienable.

Synonyms:
adjective: imprescriptible
If you say that someone has an inalienable right to something, you are emphasizing that they have a right to it which cannot be changed or taken away. ADJ usu ADJ n formal emphasis
He said the republic now had an inalienable right to self-determination.
...respect for the inalienable rights of peoples and nations.

I believe if you do something that inforgivable, you deserve to have your rights taken away. Simple as that. If you do not commit a crime, you still have your rights.

[Praetor]

I believe if you do something that inforgivable, you deserve to have your rights taken away. Simple as that. If you do not commit a crime, you still have your rights.
Do you understand what a slippery slope that would be? Do you understand the consequences of the scenario you are painting yourself?

[Chrisj182]

Not game.

[rawesome]

I believe if you do something that inforgivable, you deserve to have your rights taken away. Simple as that. If you do not commit a crime, you still have your rights.
Who gets to decide what is unforgivable?

[xshady121]

Who gets to decide what is unforgivable?

This guy.
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[Praetor]

This guy.
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haha I knew before the video loaded what it was gonna be. Best video on the internet.

[Josh Weinstein]

what would be done about convicted female pedophiles? And yes, they do exist... a former supervisor of mine is a sex offender charged with crimes against minors.

[iheartmusic043]

Do you understand what a slippery slope that would be? Do you understand the consequences of the scenario you are painting yourself?

I understand the reprocussions but I don't believe that criminals should have rights. I think the public/supreme court should be able to decide who is unforgivable. I swear I should move back to Poland. My ancestors are totally right in this situation.

[Praetor]

I understand the reprocussions but I don't believe that criminals should have rights. I think the public/supreme court should be able to decide who is unforgivable. I swear I should move back to Poland. My ancestors are totally right in this situation.
What are rights?

[rawesome]

I understand the reprocussions but I don't believe that criminals should have rights. I think the public/supreme court should be able to decide who is unforgivable. I swear I should move back to Poland. My ancestors are totally right in this situation.
A. Your ancestors are dead and have nothing to do with this law being passed.

B. Why shouldn't criminals have rights and you are you to say that? You're beyond ignorant, friend.

[xshady121]

I understand the reprocussions but I don't believe that criminals should have rights. I think the public/supreme court should be able to decide who is unforgivable. I swear I should move back to Poland. My ancestors are totally right in this situation.

The Supreme Court is an appellate body that hears cases based on the merit of law and not fact. Therefore, they could not decide that.

The public is inherently flawed-- just look at the amount of cases of wrongful convictions. While they are quite low, anything more than zero is alarming when you are talking about suspending inalienable rights.

You are talking about removing someone's natural right over an arbitrary standard.

Like I said before, if you want to say someone can't drive a car. That's fine. You're not born with the right to drive a car. But if you want to say you do not have to right to have a penis (or the ability to use said penis, if chemically castrated) then you are out of line.

You're arguing for a slippery slope. This is tightly tied to abortion (the right to reproduce being an inalienable right and all), and you are arguing for a dictatorial state.

Last I checked, both America and Poland are not dictatorships. I expect better of Poland.

[iheartmusic043]

What are rights?

Ugh I give up. I'll take my intelligence and my opinion go elsewhere.

[kboe@bex.net]

cut the whole damn thing off, problem solved. they can just pee through a catheter

[Praetor]

Ugh I give up. I'll take my intelligence and go elsewhere.
lol you have not shown an iota of intelligence. You have a fundamental misunderstanding for the entire concepts of what rights are, much less their importance. But hey, if you're down with a totalitarian authority deciding which inalienable rights are truly inalienable and which rights they can deny to someone they don't like, then more power to you. I mean, you'd be stupid, but knock yourself out.

[iheartmusic043]

lol you have not shown an iota of intelligence. You have a fundamental misunderstanding for the entire concepts of what rights are, much less their importance. But hey, if you're down with a totalitarian authority deciding which inalienable rights are truly inalienable and which rights they can deny to someone they don't like, then more power to you. I mean, you'd be stupid, but knock yourself out.

I'm all for rights, just not for criminals. It's not even the point that I don't like criminals, it's the fact that I'm against standing up for criminals. I'm a Democrat. Does that mean I belive every person should have rights? No. I believe innocent and legal citizens are the only ones that should have rights.

[Kozzy333]

Things like this shouldn't be allowed in civilized societies. There is no justification for something like this.

[Kozzy333]

I'm all for rights, just not for criminals. It's not even the point that I don't like criminals, it's the fact that I'm against standing up for criminals. I'm a Democrat. Does that mean I belive every person should have rights? No. I believe innocent and legal citizens are the only ones that should have rights.

What about minor offenses? Things like marijuana possession, should they not have rights because they broke the law? Are you only referring to violent offenders?

[iheartmusic043]

Things like this shouldn't be allowed in civilized societies. There is no justification for something like this.

There would be no necessity for this punishment if these kinds of crimes weren't committed in the first place. That's my justification for this.

[Deadbolt23]

I don't agree with this. It seems a big step backwards.

[iheartmusic043]

What about minor offenses? Things like marijuana possession, should they not have rights because they broke the law? Are you only referring to violent offenders?
I mean violent offenders. 1 in 3 Americans are in jail. Jail should only be fore non-violent offenders. Violent offenders should be punished more harshly than just getting a jail sentence.

[Praetor]

I'm all for rights, just not for criminals. It's not even the point that I don't like criminals, it's the fact that I'm against standing up for criminals. I'm a Democrat. Does that mean I belive every person should have rights? No. I believe innocent and legal citizens are the only ones that should have rights.
No! That's not what rights are! Rights are inalienable for all. If you don't believe that someone should have a certain right, then you don't believe that it's a right. Period. I don't care what your political affiliation is. You are talking nonsense.

[Theseventhson]

I understand the reprocussions but I don't believe that criminals should have rights. I think the public/supreme court should be able to decide who is unforgivable. I swear I should move back to Poland. My ancestors are totally right in this situation.
If someone has been arrested for unpaid parking tickets, they shouldn't have any rights?

[fightinirish217]

There would be no necessity for this punishment if these kinds of crimes weren't committed in the first place. That's my justification for this.

Obviously if people didn't commit crimes, we wouldn't have to punish them for those crimes. That's not justification of castration, that's just simple logic.

[Theseventhson]

I'm all for rights, just not for criminals. It's not even the point that I don't like criminals, it's the fact that I'm against standing up for criminals. I'm a Democrat. Does that mean I belive every person should have rights? No. I believe innocent and legal citizens are the only ones that should have rights.
So your against criminals cleaning up and becoming a productive member of society?

[iheartmusic043]

So your against criminals cleaning up and becoming a productive member of society?
You can't "fix" a pedophile or a murder. It's like saying you can "fix" a gay person and make them straight. I'm not saying that being gay is even remotely the same as being a criminal I'm just saying those are some things you just can't "fix".

[fightinirish217]

I mean violent offenders. 1 in 3 Americans are in jail. Jail should only be fore non-violent offenders. Violent offenders should be punished more harshly than just getting a jail sentence.

What do you suggest lol? Should we just kill them all?

[Theseventhson]

You can't "fix" a pedophile or a murder. It's like saying you can "fix" a gay person and make them straight. I'm not saying that being gay is even remotely the same as being a criminal I'm just saying those are some things you just can't "fix".
But you said all criminals, not just murderers and pedophiles.

[SincerelyMe]

I'm all for rights, just not for criminals. It's not even the point that I don't like criminals, it's the fact that I'm against standing up for criminals. I'm a Democrat. Does that mean I belive every person should have rights? No. I believe innocent and legal citizens are the only ones that should have rights.

You are defining rights as privileges. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot.
For example, I have a driver's license. That is a privilege, not a right. If I drive drunk, I may get that privilege taken away. I have the right to free speech. If I say something you don't like, well too bad.

[Praetor]

You can't "fix" a pedophile or a murder. It's like saying you can "fix" a gay person and make them straight. I'm not saying that being gay is even remotely the same as being a criminal I'm just saying those are some things you just can't "fix".
Okay, you're done.

[iheartmusic043]

What do you suggest lol? Should we just kill them all?

I have no qualms with that. I believe in the whole "eye for an eye" punishment system, well at least when it comes to violent offenders. I can't believe how many people are sticking up for criminals.

[fightinirish217]

Okay, you're done.

Hahaha, it just went from bad to worse for her, quickly.

[iheartmusic043]

But you said all criminals, not just murderers and pedophiles.

I meant to say violent criminals.

[Praetor]

I have no qualms with that. I believe in the whole "eye for an eye" punishment system, well at least when it comes to violent offenders. I can't believe how many people are sticking up for criminals.
None of us are sticking up for criminals, we're sticking up for civil liberties. Just because I think that rapists should have rights doesn't mean that omg i luv rapists.

[fightinirish217]

I have no qualms with that. I believe in the whole "eye for an eye" punishment system, well at least when it comes to violent offenders. I can't believe how many people are sticking up for criminals.

Yea, as the other person said, you're done. So anyone who is a "violent" criminal, anyone who has ever gotten in a fight, maybe punched someone/hit someone, and then people like rapists and murderers (who I agree are the scum of the earth), all those people should just be eliminated?

Brilliant.

[Theseventhson]

I meant to say violent criminals.
I've been put in jail for being in a fight before, I guess I shouldn't have rights.

[iheartmusic043]

None of us are sticking up for criminals, we're sticking up for civil liberties.

I am too, but obviously none of you are understanding my logic. If you commit a crime you are basically giving up your freedom.

[fightinirish217]

I've been put in jail for being in a fight before, I guess I shouldn't have rights.

According to her, you should be killed LOL.

[Theseventhson]

I am too, but obviously none of you are understanding my logic. If you commit a crime you are basically giving up your freedom.
If you commit a crime, you get punished, you pay for your crime, but you're still a person.

[SincerelyMe]

I am too, but obviously none of you are understanding my logic. If you commit a crime you are basically giving up your freedom.

No, you don't understand logic. Criminals go to jail for a while. While in jail, they don't have all the freedoms they would have in society. You're saying we need to castrate them (or worse) too? What good is that going to do?

[iheartmusic043]

According to her, you should be killed LOL.

Hello you definitely miscontrued the term "violent criminals". "Violent criminals" are murders, sex offenders, etc. Just because you got into a little fight does not make you a "violent criminal". A fight is am act of violence but not as severe as what the law considers an act of a "violent criminal".

[Praetor]

I am too, but obviously none of you are understanding my logic. If you commit a crime you are basically giving up your freedom.
No you are not! Sweet holy mother of fucking fuck. Okay, let me spell this out for you. You are making two basic, basic mistakes.

1. You are confusing "rights", which cannot be taken away, and "priveleges," which can. I have a right to reproduce, and no one can take that right away from me no matter what I do. However, if I have a few drinks and get in my car, I can have my permit taken away from me because that is a privilege.
2. You are lumping all crimes together, making the presumption that all violent crimes are the same and that circumstances are irrevalent. You are also presuming that all those convicted of crimes are guilty. Once you castrate somebody, it's not like you can reverse it. You can always let someone out of prison if they're determined to be innocent. You can't reattach somebody's wang.

[jwicklun]

I meant to say violent criminals.
I have a friend that took an extreme halluncingenic and ended up murdering one of his roommates. Before that, he was possibly one of the nicest guys I have ever met, never had any anger issues, but he made a huge mistake, and now he will face jail time. His act was terrible, but deep down people knew that he was not a monster. So what your saying is go for the "ends justify the means' justice system where criminals should never rehibilitated. Maybe we should get rid of our justice system while we are at it.

[iheartmusic043]

No you are not! Sweet holy mother of fucking fuck. Okay, let me spell this out for you. You are making two basic, basic mistakes.

1. You are confusing "rights", which cannot be taken away, and "priveleges," which can. I have a right to reproduce, and no one can take that right away from me no matter what I do. However, if I have a few drinks and get in my car, I can have my permit taken away from me because that is a privilege.
2. You are lumping all crimes together, making the presumption that all violent crimes are the same and that circumstances are irrevalent. You are also presuming that all those convicted crimes are guilty. Once you castrate somebody, it's not like you can reverse it. You can always let someone out of prison if they're determined to be innocent. You can't reattach somebody's wang.

Just saying that certain criminals should not have rights. I understand that legally this cannot happen but this is personal belief.

[fightinirish217]

Hello you definitely miscontrued the term "violent criminals". "Violent criminals" are murders, sex offenders, etc. Just because you got into a little fight does not make you a "violent criminal". A fight is am act of violence but not as severe as what the law considers an act of a "violent criminal".

Well okay, I took it to the extreme but you need to clarify and specify what you're arguing about, even if your argument is ridiculous.

[jwicklun]

Hello you definitely miscontrued the term "violent criminals". "Violent criminals" are murders, sex offenders, etc. Just because you got into a little fight does not make you a "violent criminal". A fight is am act of violence but not as severe as what the law considers an act of a "violent criminal".
also, what about cases of manslaughter? they should have their rights taken away because of that too?

[Praetor]

Just saying that certain criminals should not have rights. I understand that legally this cannot happen but this is personal belief.
You are misunderstanding the word "right." The mistake you are making first and foremost is the English language. Why are you not rebutting what I am saying?

[Josh Weinstein]

Hello you definitely miscontrued the term "violent criminals". "Violent criminals" are murders, sex offenders, etc. Just because you got into a little fight does not make you a "violent criminal". A fight is am act of violence but not as severe as what the law considers an act of a "violent criminal".

What if a member of your own family committed a crime. Say, it was so bad they were sentenced to death. As the rest of your family is preparing to mourn, you sit back and think to yourself: "He deserves to die for what he did."

[xshady121]

I'm all for rights, just not for criminals. It's not even the point that I don't like criminals, it's the fact that I'm against standing up for criminals. I'm a Democrat. Does that mean I belive every person should have rights? No. I believe innocent and legal citizens are the only ones that should have rights.

You may think you're a democrat, but you believe in nothing they practice. At best you're a neo-conservative. I'd be interested in what policies of the democratic party you do believe in, or if you're only a dem because "it's hip".

Every person has inalienable rights-- regardless of wether or not they are citizens. If you think only citizens have rights, then you're a republican.

Things like this shouldn't be allowed in civilized societies. There is no justification for something like this.

Bingo bango.

No! That's not what rights are! Rights are inalienable for all. If you don't believe that someone should have a certain right, then you don't believe that it's a right. Period. I don't care what your political affiliation is. You are talking nonsense.

This.

You can't "fix" a pedophile or a murder. It's like saying you can "fix" a gay person and make them straight. I'm not saying that being gay is even remotely the same as being a criminal I'm just saying those are some things you just can't "fix".

Ah, the rehabilitation vs punishment argument. While some people can't be rehabilitated, you're once again foolish if you believe "some things you can't fix"

You are defining rights as privileges. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot.
For example, I have a driver's license. That is a privilege, not a right. If I drive drunk, I may get that privilege taken away. I have the right to free speech. If I say something you don't like, well too bad.

Exactly. Taking away the drivers license of a DUI offender is perfectly cool. Taking away the right to free speech or public gatherings to someone convicted of libel is absurd.

I have no qualms with that. I believe in the whole "eye for an eye" punishment system, well at least when it comes to violent offenders. I can't believe how many people are sticking up for criminals.

Okay Hammurabi. Quit regurgitating neo-conservative talking points. I'm not even sure the repubs would be this ridiculous. We're not sticking up for criminals, were sticking up for civil liberties. I'd like to point you to this poem "first they came" by Martin Niemoller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...). It's the same concept.

I meant to say violent criminals.

Now you're changing your argument. No matter how violent you are you have rights!

I am too, but obviously none of you are understanding my logic. If you commit a crime you are basically giving up your freedom.

No, you're not. You can't give up your freedom. Ever.

Even terrorists have rights.

On a related note, are you in favor of guantanamo bay? What about waterboarding? Are you pro torture?

If you commit a crime, you get punished, you pay for your crime, but you're still a person.

Ding ding ding.

[fightinirish217]

http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/violent.html

Here is how "violent crimes" are defined. So all of these people (including robbers and people committing simple assaults (as bad as that is) should be killed? You said you were not opposed to this for "violent criminals." I'll also go ahead and say that I am "conservative," probably what you'd consider to be very conservative, right wing, whatever, but your argument is still insane.

[iheartmusic043]

What if a member of your own family committed a crime. Say, it was so bad they were sentenced to death. As the rest of your family is preparing to mourn, you sit back and think to yourself: "He deserves to die for what he did."

I may sound heartless for saying this but i wouldnt be able to mourn for someone that is a murder so I would think that he deserves to die for what he did. I can't support a criminal, even if they are one of my family members.

[fightinirish217]

I may sound heartless for saying this but i wouldnt be able to mourn for someone that is a murder so I would think that he deserves to die for what he did. I can't support a criminal, even if they are one of my family members.

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[yves.]

I'd ask for an explanation or source, but I know there isn't one, so I won't bother. Pedophiles get arrested and go to jail, therefor, convicted pedophiles already get their rights taken away.

not only that, but if someone is charged as a sex offender, they have a ton of restrictions put on them for where they can live, they have to give out their address each time they move, and it would be a huge burden for them to find a job (assuming that they had been fired from it or already don't have one). i don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet (i haven't had a chance to read through this whole thread) but if you are on the side of the highway peeing and a cop pulls up to you (or something), you can be charged for indecent exposure and therefore become a "registered sex offender."
just sayin'.

[jwicklun]

I may sound heartless for saying this but i wouldnt be able to mourn for someone that is a murder so I would think that he deserves to die for what he did. I can't support a criminal, even if they are one of my family members.
so let me get this straight. So even if anyone in your family gets in a severe situation, you don't even have the heart to comfort them? You can adknowledge that the crime is terrible, but you shouldnt disown them. They would still love you, and you would not love them back?

[x togepi x]

i think it's weird that some people are all for taking away rights from criminals instead of focusing on giving more rights to the general public. it always blows my mind.

[Love As Arson]

It's inappropriate to say someone "is" a pedophile. The debate starts there, and then a thorough approach to the mental states that lead to those acts can begin;barbarism could be done away with and the process of rehabilitation can begin.

[iheartmusic043]

not only that, but if someone is charged as a sex offender, they have a ton of restrictions put on them for where they can live, they have to give out their address each time they move, and it would be a huge burden for them to find a job (assuming that they had been fired from it or already don't have one). i don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet (i haven't had a chance to read through this whole thread) but if you are on the side of the highway peeing and a cop pulls up to you (or something), you can be charged for indecent exposure and therefore become a "registered sex offender."
just sayin'.

The whole Megan's Law system is very flawed, especially in my state. Also, why should a sex offender be allowed to have a life. Their victims will be tormented the rest of their lives because of these sick people, so why shouldn't the sex offenders. And all this inalienable rights stuff is true. I know for a fact it's true but I personally belive sex offenders should not hve rights. I'm not arguing or miscontruing the term "rights". I'm just stating my opinion.

[WakingTheMisery]

I don't understand why people are defending their opinions against this Iheartmusic character.

[saysmydoctor]

I was waiting for the constructivist/conceptual argument. Was not disappointed.

[Theseventhson]

The whole Megan's Law system is very flawed, especially in my state. Also, why should a sex offender be allowed to have a life. Their victims will be tormented the rest of their lives because of these sick people, so why shouldn't the sex offenders. And all this inalienable rights stuff is true. I know for a fact it's true but I personally belive sex offenders should not hve rights. I'm not arguing or miscontruing the term "rights". I'm just stating my opinion.
But your opinion sucks, you've completely dodged the whole 'wrongfully accused' scenario and the fact that not all sex offenders are actually rapists and gropers.

[SincerelyMe]

The whole Megan's Law system is very flawed, especially in my state. Also, why should a sex offender be allowed to have a life. Their victims will be tormented the rest of their lives because of these sick people, so why shouldn't the sex offenders. And all this inalienable rights stuff is true. I know for a fact it's true but I personally belive sex offenders should not hve rights. I'm not arguing or miscontruing the term "rights". I'm just stating my opinion.

Yes you are. A right is something that everyone has, regardless of who they are or what they've done.

[saysmydoctor]

The whole Megan's Law system is very flawed, especially in my state. Also, why should a sex offender be allowed to have a life. Their victims will be tormented the rest of their lives because of these sick people, so why shouldn't the sex offenders. And all this inalienable rights stuff is true. I know for a fact it's true but I personally belive sex offenders should not hve rights. I'm not arguing or miscontruing the term "rights". I'm just stating my opinion.
Whether you believe they should have rights or not, once you accept they have unalienable rights--the debate is really over. Castration is not a solution. Seek another one.

[saysmydoctor]

You talk about the victim being tormented; what about the individual who feels compelled to commit these acts and is seen as an outcast for a set of circumstances that aren't entirely in his control?

[iheartmusic043]

But your opinion sucks, you've completely dodged the whole 'wrongfully accused' scenario and the fact that not all sex offenders are actually rapists and gropers.

Wrongfully accused sex offenders are a whole other ball game. I did not take them into account for this situation. I don't believe that America's justice system makes sense. I know this country is built on freedom but some people deserve to have their rights taken away. As for terrorists having rights, I believe that is bullshit.

[Theseventhson]

Wrongfully accused sex offenders are a whole other ball game. I did not take them into account for this situation. I don't believe that America's justice system makes sense. I know this country is built on freedom but some people deserve to have their rights taken away. As for terrorists having rights, I believe that is bullshit.
So you like living your life in the land of contradictions? You still tiptoed around the situation, by the way.

[jwicklun]

Wrongfully accused sex offenders are a whole other ball game. I did not take them into account for this situation. I don't believe that America's justice system makes sense. I know this country is built on freedom but some people deserve to have their rights taken away. As for terrorists having rights, I believe that is bullshit.
for someone who is a democrat, you sure are bent on neo-conservatism.

[yves.]

Wrongfully accused sex offenders are a whole other ball game. I did not take them into account for this situation. I don't believe that America's justice system makes sense. I know this country is built on freedom but some people deserve to have their rights taken away. As for terrorists having rights, I believe that is bullshit.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

[yves.]

for someone who is a democrat, you sure are bent on neo-conservatism.

also, this.

[saysmydoctor]

Hobbes was such an asshole.

[xshady121]

Wrongfully accused sex offenders are a whole other ball game. I did not take them into account for this situation. I don't believe that America's justice system makes sense. I know this country is built on freedom but some people deserve to have their rights taken away. As for terrorists having rights, I believe that is bullshit.

What part of the democratic platform do you support then? You've been regurgitating neocon talking points and you sound crazier than palin supporters.

So, what policies do you agree with?

[iheartmusic043]

for someone who is a democrat, you sure are bent on neo-conservatism.

No one is 100% democrat or republican.

[Theseventhson]

No one is 100% democrat or republican.
Again, I disagree, there are plenty of political sheep out there.

[iheartmusic043]

What part of the democratic platform do you support then? You've been regurgitating neocon talking points and you sound crazier than palin supporters.

So, what policies do you agree with?

I believe in gay marriage, I'm pro-choice, I believe in universal healtcare, and many other democratic platforms, but I am not 100% democrat

[xshady121]

I believe in gay marriage, I'm pro-choice, I believe in universal healtcare, and many other democratic platforms, but I am not 100% democrat

So you believe the government can't tell you what to do with your body-- as long as you're not a criminal.


You're a contradiction.

[iheartmusic043]

Again, I disagree, there are plenty of political sheep out there.

True. There are many people who blindly follow one party or another, but the general population of the U.S. have Centrist ideology.

[iheartmusic043]

So you believe the government can't tell you what to do with your body-- as long as you're not a criminal.


You're a walking contradiction.

Pretty much.

[jwicklun]

I believe in gay marriage, I'm pro-choice, I believe in universal healtcare, and many other democratic platforms, but I am not 100% democrat
if you believe in universal healthcare, gay marriage, and pro-chouce you believe that everyone deserves these rights. that includes criminals.

[Theseventhson]

Pretty much.
So you admit that your opinion is fundamentally flawed, yet you still believe it? You genuinely confuse me.

[saysmydoctor]

Pretty much.
Are you being intentionally stupid or obnoxious? I'm genuinely curious.

[jwicklun]

Pretty much.
what if you get caught in the act of manslaughter? despite being accused, would agree having every single right of yours taken away?

[iheartmusic043]

if you believe in universal healthcare, gay marriage, and pro-chouce you believe that everyone deserves these rights. that includes criminals.

I have the right to believe in what i believe in. This is America.

So you admit that your opinion is fundamentally flawed, yet you still believe it? You genuinely confuse me.

I don't believe that every person should have rights. Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.

[xshady121]

I have the right to believe in what i believe in. This is America.



I don't believe that every person should have rights. Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.

Then they wouldn't be called rights. They'd be called privileges.

[Theseventhson]

I have the right to believe in what i believe in. This is America.



I don't believe that every person should have rights. Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.
But the term Universal means UNIVERSAL, not mostly everyone, except for you guys.

[xshady121]

I have the right to believe in what i believe in. This is America.



I don't believe that every person should have rights. Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.


http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

[jwicklun]

I have the right to believe in what i believe in. This is America.



I don't believe that every person should have rights. Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.
and in America we believe everyone is entitled to their essential rights no matter their personal background. Your mindset is more of a dictatorship.

[Theseventhson]

I have the right to believe in what i believe in. This is America.



I don't believe that every person should have rights. Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.
Just a question, but do you even know what the Bill of Rights is?

[xshady121]

Just a question, but do you even know what the Bill of Rights is?

You mean the bill of conditional privileges. Right?

[punk89]

This is pretty fucked up in my mind. And I love that their argument for doing the castration is that it will lower their libido, therefore decreasing the chance that they would commit another sex crime. What's funny is that there are hundreds of legal prescription drugs that have a strong side effect of decreased libido. Funny they wouldn't consider that alternative first. This sounds a lot more like exacting revenge.

[iheartmusic043]

Just a question, but do you even know what the Bill of Rights is?

Yes I do. I may disagree with your beliefs but I do know the Bill of Rights.

[Theseventhson]

Yes I do. I may disagree with your beliefs but I do know the Bill of Rights.
You should look at the 8th and 9th amendment again, then.

[jwicklun]

Yes I do. I may disagree with your beliefs but I do know the Bill of Rights.
your mindset pretty much says you severly disagree with it.

[tottivillarossi]

True. There are many people who blindly follow one party or another, but the general population of the U.S. have Centrist ideology.
I agree. I don't like those sheep either.

[Josh Weinstein]

For the record, there are pedophiles out there that serve their time, get rehabilitated, and become productive members of society

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ex_pedophile_shares_tips_on_how

[Love As Arson]

Certain situations should lead to a person losing their rights.
This makes sense if you believe there is an inalienable desire to violate these established laws. How cogent is this argument if we know that economic crises or social alienation,for example, can lead to inverted understandings of power in relation to others and extreme behaviour?

[jwicklun]

again, what about hot female teachers that have sex with 14 year olds? does that make them a sex offender? if so does that mean they should...um..be castarated?

[Kozzy333]

again, what about hot female teachers that have sex with 14 year olds? does that make them a sex offender? if so does that mean they should...um..be castarated?

Just another flaw in this punishment. On that subject, why don't more people care about female sex offenders/pedophiles as they do male ones? There is something seriously wrong about that.

[Hannah95]

You can't "fix" a pedophile or a murder. It's like saying you can "fix" a gay person and make them straight. I'm not saying that being gay is even remotely the same as being a criminal I'm just saying those are some things you just can't "fix".

I'm not going to argue about your opinions regarding pedophiles rights, because I really doubt someone as stubborn as you will change your stance on that.
You seem to be saying that by being gay, there's something wrong with you. You clarified that you don't think being homosexual is as bad as being a murderer. However, there is nothing wrong with being gay. At all. They do not need ''fixing''.

[iheartmusic043]

Just another flaw in this punishment. On that subject, why don't more people care about female sex offenders/pedophiles as they do male ones? There is something seriously wrong about that.

I think sometimes they're worse bc guys fantasize about having sex with a teacher so they believe it's ok

[punk89]

again, what about hot female teachers that have sex with 14 year olds? does that make them a sex offender? if so does that mean they should...um..be castarated?

Good point. Our society has a double-standard in which men having sex with children labels them as "creatures," however women having sex with children is often discussed among people as a joke.

[jwicklun]

I think sometimes they're worse bc guys fantasize about having sex with a teacher so they believe it's ok
my god, you are a hypocrite.

[Theseventhson]

I think sometimes they're worse bc guys fantasize about having sex with a teacher so they believe it's ok
Yeah, and no girls fantasize about older men?

[yves.]

Yeah, and no girls fantasize about older men?

http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/613/613.x600.mr.morrissey2.prev.jpg

swooooooooooon

[saysmydoctor]

http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/613/613.x600.mr.morrissey2.prev.jpg

swooooooooooon
Dude, I even swoon about this dude.

[roche]

This should be implemented everywhere, but it should only be reserved for the worst offenders and not just handed out liberally.

[yves.]

Dude, I even swoon about this dude.

i'm worried about anyone who doesn't swoon over him.

[reckoner]

This should be implemented everywhere, but it should only be reserved for the worst offenders and not just handed out liberally.


I agree with this. Also, perhaps it should be used on repeat offenders

[Theseventhson]

Perhaps there's a constitutional amendment against cruel and unusual punishment

[iheartmusic043]

This should be implemented everywhere, but it should only be reserved for the worst offenders and not just handed out liberally.
My point exactly.

[xshady121]

My point exactly.

Congratulations. There is another person just as dumb as you.

[xshady121]

I agree with this. Also, perhaps it should be used on repeat offenders

You and President Bush have a lot in common-- Who cares about the constitution! it's just an old piece of paper anyway!

[Theseventhson]

My point exactly.
So, you're only going to post when someone agrees with you now?

[xshady121]

So, you're only going to post when someone agrees with you now?

Her point exactly.

[Ben09]

I'm fine with it. It's either this or executing them. I'd be fine with either.

[saysmydoctor]

You mean the bill of conditional privileges. Right?
:appl: With a nine-man self-proclaimed board of review.

[xshady121]

I'm fine with it. It's either this or executing them. I'd be fine with either.

It's a shame that pesky constitution stands in our way, huh?

[Theseventhson]

Fuck our government for being somewhat civil!!!

[jwicklun]

It's a shame that pesky constitution stands in our way, huh?
same with those courts. Not to mention evidence. Shit, ends justify the means anyways, right?

[reckoner]

You and President Bush have a lot in common-- Who cares about the constitution! it's just an old piece of paper anyway!

No need to be so harsh. I guess I haven't really thought about this topic too much.
I definitely think there needs to be harsher penalties, though. It doesn't make sense that people who've committed non-violent crimes are locked up longer than some pedophiles.

[iheartmusic043]

I'm fine with it. It's either this or executing them. I'd be fine with either.

This.

[Theseventhson]

My point exactly.
Wait?! That wasn't your point at all.

[WakingTheMisery]

Just another flaw in this punishment. On that subject, why don't more people care about female sex offenders/pedophiles as they do male ones? There is something seriously wrong about that.

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/clip_collections/back_to_school/1010_1_DI.jpg

http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/130a.jpg

NICEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[ANYcore]

Fuck Ethics and Human Rights for criminals, alot of our legal system should be like this.

[x togepi x]

gotta love idiots with hard-ons for punishment

[IntoTheSun]

Things like this shouldn't be allowed in civilized societies. There is no justification for something like this.

this.

[fightinirish217]

This.

No, not "this."

[kearn1tm]

Someone give this cat a copy of Discipline and Punish.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm waiting for all these supporters to supply a justification. I've read the thread, I've not seen one.

[x togepi x]

here's your justification: i can't have sex with that hot (guy/girl) that i totally have a crush on. omg (he/she) is so fucking cute it drives me wild. i get so (hard/wet) just thinking about it. i'm so sexually frustrated. i must find some way to take out this frustration because (i ran out of socks to cum into/it's not socially acceptable for women to masturbate).

oh, i know, i'll suddenly become hard on crime. RIGHTS? CRIMINALS DON'T NEED FUCKING RIGHTS. THEY'RE CRIMINALS. THEY'RE OH SO DEVIANT THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR CRIMES OTHER THAN PUNISH THEM IN THE MOST HEINOUS WAY POSSIBLE.

[RushAndAPush]

http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/613/613.x600.mr.morrissey2.prev.jpg

swooooooooooonGreat post.

[yves.]

Great post.

thank you. you also have a great username and profile picture. congratulations!

[x togepi x]

also, nobody under 18 reply to my last post because talking to you about it will be creepy and weird.

[RushAndAPush]

thank you. you also have a great username and profile picture. congratulations!ha ha thanks I'm a Morrissey fanatic. It just doesn't seem right to see him in a pedophile thread lol
(http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=58484251#post58484 251)

[kearn1tm]

here's your justification: i can't have sex with that hot (guy/girl) that i totally have a crush on. omg (he/she) is so fucking cute it drives me wild. i get so (hard/wet) just thinking about it. i'm so sexually frustrated. i must find some way to take out this frustration because (i ran out of socks to cum into/it's not socially acceptable for women to masturbate).

oh, i know, i'll suddenly become hard on crime. RIGHTS? CRIMINALS DON'T NEED FUCKING RIGHTS. THEY'RE CRIMINALS. THEY'RE OH SO DEVIANT THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR CRIMES OTHER THAN PUNISH THEM IN THE MOST HEINOUS WAY POSSIBLE.

I suspect you're an advocate of one of the many permutations of restorative justice.

[x togepi x]

I suspect you're an advocate of one of the many permutations of restorative justice.

JUSTICE? CRIMINALS DON'T DESERVE JUSTICE. THEY NEED TO BE BEATEN.

[kearn1tm]

JUSTICE? CRIMINALS DON'T DESERVE JUSTICE. THEY NEED TO BE BEATEN.

As long as it keeps whitey happy and everyone else scared into complacency.

[J.C.]

1. The word castration makes my peepee hurt.

2. No matter how sick or deranged an individual is, it's not an excuse for us to retaliate in an equally sick manner.

[caveBEAR]

I mean violent offenders. 1 in 3 Americans are in jail. Jail should only be fore non-violent offenders. Violent offenders should be punished more harshly than just getting a jail sentence.

I know there was a tremendous flurry of stupid, but how did this one fly under the radar?

Look at the person to your left. Now look at the person to your right. One of them, or you, is in jail.

[xshady121]

I know there was a tremendous flurry of stupid, but how did this one fly under the radar?

Look at the person to your left. Now look at the person to your right. One of them, or you, is in jail.

This thread continues to bring the lulz.

[fightinirish217]

I know there was a tremendous flurry of stupid, but how did this one fly under the radar?

Look at the person to your left. Now look at the person to your right. One of them, or you, is in jail.

Hahahaha interesting. According to the infallible Wikipedia though, our resident genius is a little incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States# Incarceration_rate

Thats neither here nor there however, 1 in 3 is mind blowing!

[saysmydoctor]

I know there was a tremendous flurry of stupid, but how did this one fly under the radar?

Look at the person to your left. Now look at the person to your right. One of them, or you, is in jail.
hahahahahahahahhah

[Analog Rebellion]

When I was 15 years old, I believed in the whole "LOL WHY DON'T WE JUST KILL ALL THE BAD PEOPLE THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IT LOLOL", then I grew up. Reality is fully of subtleties. "LOCK UP ALL THE BAD PEOPLE" doesn't work.

[IntoTheSun]

Works for the government of Poland apparently...

[Takk...Ros]

I know there was a tremendous flurry of stupid, but how did this one fly under the radar?

Look at the person to your left. Now look at the person to your right. One of them, or you, is in jail.
I just about died of laughter. This whole thread brought the lol's and genuine fear for humanity.

[anthonydarko]

I really don't see how that would solve anything.

[Deadbolt23]

This thread has made me laugh so many times.

[anthonydarko]

Wow, Dan from Analog Rebellion got banned?

[BrennanHickson]

Wow, Dan from Analog Rebellion got banned?
He probably just deleted the Texas cover.

[anthonydarko]

He probably just deleted the Texas cover.
When a bold name reverts back to it's regular size, it usually indicates one either got banned or disabled his or her account.

[BrennanHickson]

When a bold name reverts back to it's regular size, it usually indicates one either got banned or disabled his or her account.
Oh, I didn't realize it was bold at one point. Maybe he did get banned. I just can't imagine it, as he's one of only five or six band members who regularly uses the site not only to promote their band, but to interact with other users as well.

[Machu505]

A thread actually managed to change my mind. Thank you AP.net political forum.

[xshady121]

He probably just deleted the Texas cover.

When a bold name reverts back to it's regular size, it usually indicates one either got banned or disabled his or her account.

Oh, I didn't realize it was bold at one point. Maybe he did get banned. I just can't imagine it, as he's one of only five or six band members who regularly uses the site not only to promote their band, but to interact with other users as well.

http://twitter.com/PlayRadioPlay/statuses/6445728082

He was banned. I'd be interested in finding what he's talking about though.

[GeeBee]

http://twitter.com/PlayRadioPlay/statuses/6445728082

He was banned. I'd be interested in finding what he's talking about though.

Radiohead.

He and Tate were arguing the semantics of the meaning of the word "mainstream". They both should have just let it be. It was a dumb thread.

[IntoTheSun]

Today I was talking to a friend and I was like, "Hey, did you know that they are now chemically castrating male pedophiles in Poland? Isn't that ridiculous?" and he said, "Eh. Not really." and that was the end of the discussion. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes I can't stand how little my friends care about these issues.

[BrennanHickson]

http://twitter.com/PlayRadioPlay/statuses/6445728082

He was banned. I'd be interested in finding what he's talking about though.

Radiohead.

He and Tate were arguing the semantics of the meaning of the word "mainstream". They both should have just let it be. It was a dumb thread.
Ridiculous.

[MyNameIsRoss]

That's shitty. Dan is a good poster.

[Lueda Alia]

From a logical point of view, I cannot support this. However, I do think that they should be treated like murderers and get harsher sentences. I feel like pedophiles / sex offenders only get a slap on the wrist and it's absolutely disgusting.

[RushAndAPush]

From a logical point of view, I cannot support this. However, I do think that they should be treated like murderers and get harsher sentences. I feel like pedophiles / sex offenders only get a slap on the wrist and it's absolutely disgusting. Im not trying to defend any pedophiles here but putting murder crimes and pedophile crimes on the same level doesn't seem to make any sence. Murder is the ultimate crime you can commit with pedophiles trailing close behind.

[Theseventhson]

Im not trying to defend any pedophiles here but putting murder crimes and pedophile crimes on the same level doesn't seem to make any sence. Murder is the ultimate crime you can commit with pedophiles trailing close behind.
The psychological damage caused by sexual abuse is tremendous and often irreversible.

[Lueda Alia]

Im not trying to defend any pedophiles here but putting murder crimes and pedophile crimes on the same level doesn't seem to make any sence. Murder is the ultimate crime you can commit with pedophiles trailing close behind.
Maybe, but sex offenses truly destroy lives a lot of the time, hence why I think it should receive harsh sentences. People just don't think of it that way because they assume that the victims get over it and move on with their lives. And yeah, some do, but many are also forever scarred and never get to truly enjoy life after the fact.

[Lueda Alia]

The psychological damage caused by sexual abuse is tremendous and often irreversible.
:nod:

[RushAndAPush]

Maybe, but sex offenses truly destroy lives a lot of the time, hence why I think it should receive harsh sentences. People just don't think of it that way because they assume that the victims get over it and move on with their lives. And yeah, some do, but many are also forever scarred and never get to truly enjoy life after the fact.Very true. It's truly unfortunate that people have to live with that all their lives.

[bard]

castrating pedophiles is on par with cutting off a theifs hand. not the crime, pedophilia is a million times worse. the punishment seems so barbaric.

i agree that it should be treated way more severely though.

[yves.]

Radiohead.

He and Tate were arguing the semantics of the meaning of the word "mainstream". They both should have just let it be. It was a dumb thread.

...seriously?

[GeeBee]

...seriously?

Dead serious. It was reetarded.

[GeeBee]

That's shitty. Dan is a good poster.

I have no comment. Except that it seems more and more people who vocally oppose the stance of "others" on this site who have, shall we say, "standing", end up getting bant.

Not necessarily saying I agree or disagree. Just sayin'.

[Lueda Alia]

I have no comment. Except that it seems more and more people who vocally oppose the stance of "others" on this site who have, shall we say, "standing", end up getting bant.

Not necessarily saying I agree or disagree. Just sayin'.
:banned:

[bard]

yeah, there was a poll in the poll forum about who we would agree with, dan or jason, and it was deleted not too long after it opened... i asked jason, and he just linked me to the rules/regulations page.

[Jake Denning]

Not game.

[MyNameIsRoss]

I have no comment. Except that it seems more and more people who vocally oppose the stance of "others" on this site who have, shall we say, "standing", end up getting bant.

Not necessarily saying I agree or disagree. Just sayin'.

I'll be fine.

[GeeBee]

:banned:

Never disagreed with you, mah-lady, so I shan't run afoul of your regulatory powers, haha.