Do You Believe in Ghosts?

[Crowe41]

Seriously. I got into an argument the other night with my friends on whether or not ghosts are real. I just can't by into the whole idea...but then my friends started telling me their ghost experiences. I was definitely in the minority not believing in ghosts.

Do you believe in ghosts?

[VampiresRevenge]

Yes, though I've never actually had an experience of my own.

[ArtForLovers]

Where is the I dont know selection?

[seraph1214]

I've never seen one but I don't doubt that they could exist.

[trappedintime]

Yes.

[artyinthebank]

Yes.

My fiance believes in ghosts but not demons. Discuss.

[Crowe41]

Yes.

My fiance believes in ghosts but not demons. Discuss.

If you believe in ghosts, does that mean that you believe in the afterlife? Can you believe in ghosts without believing in the afterlife?

As far as I'm concerned demons and ghosts are related, you either believe they exist or you don't. I'm not sure how you could believe in something like ghosts but then discount the possibility of demons...is it because of religion?

[SuNDaYSTaR]

I'm not sure how you could believe in something like ghosts but then discount the possibility of demons...is it because of religion?I'm seeing ghosts as being "neutral" if you will. I don't think there are "good" and "bad" creatures from the afterlife, so yes, I more or less discount the idea of demons because I'm pretty much putting everything in the same basket.

By the way, right now it's 17-17, opinions are pretty mixed.

[Colin1755]

just broke the tie, and yes id o bc theres a ghost in my house, it doesnt help that i live right behind a grave yard with only woods separating us, iv had many experinces so yes i do believe in ghosts.

[PunkRocks]

Belief in ghosts is simply illogical because their existence is not scientifically possible.

[VampiresRevenge]

Belief in ghosts is simply illogical because their existence is not scientifically possible.
How is it scientifically impossible?

[PunkRocks]

How is it scientifically impossible?

Well everything in the universe is made up of matter or energy, correct? We know the laws of energy and that it can not behave in such a manner that it would be the "contents" of a ghost. And well, what form of matter could ghosts be made of? None. So if ghosts aren't made of anything, then they can't exist except in the form of a person's own imagination.

[VampiresRevenge]

Well everything in the universe is made up of matter or energy, correct? We know the laws of energy and that it can not behave in such a manner that it would be the "contents" of a ghost. And well, what form of matter could ghosts be made of? None. So if ghosts aren't made of anything, then they can't exist except in the form of a person's own imagination.
Well, ghosts are said to be energy, right? Where does a person's energy go when the die? Energy cannot be destroyed, so ghosts can be explained scientifically.

[PunkRocks]

Well, ghosts are said to be energy, right? Where does a person's energy go when the die? Energy cannot be destroyed, so ghosts can be explained scientifically.

Well, there's not just free energy floating around in a person's body. There is energy in a person's cells and tissue, and of course in the brain and nervous system. However, energy in tissues and organs comes from calories ingested by the food we eat. When we die, that food is no longer turned into energy and whatever energy is left is consumed by bacteria, or whatever else eats us as we decay. As for the energy in the nervous system, that is produced by the brain and nerve receptors. When we die, they cease to function and thus stop sending out energetic pulses. There is no unaccounted energy that just escapes the body en masse when we die.

[VampiresRevenge]

Well, there's not just free energy floating around in a person's body. There is energy in a person's cells and tissue, and of course in the brain and nervous system. However, energy in tissues and organs comes from calories ingested by the food we eat. When we die, that food is no longer turned into energy and whatever energy is left is consumed by bacteria, or whatever else eats us as we decay. As for the energy in the nervous system, that is produced by the brain and nerve receptors. When we die, they cease to function and thus stop sending out energetic pulses. There is no unaccounted energy that just escapes the body en masse when we die.
Damn, you got me on the energy thing, but I still believe they can exist. Some stuff just can't be explained with science.

[k1guitar]

Well, there's not just free energy floating around in a person's body. There is energy in a person's cells and tissue, and of course in the brain and nervous system. However, energy in tissues and organs comes from calories ingested by the food we eat. When we die, that food is no longer turned into energy and whatever energy is left is consumed by bacteria, or whatever else eats us as we decay. As for the energy in the nervous system, that is produced by the brain and nerve receptors. When we die, they cease to function and thus stop sending out energetic pulses. There is no unaccounted energy that just escapes the body en masse when we die.

OWNED!

[VampiresRevenge]

OWNED!
Haha, yeah. I felt like I was bitch-slapped when I read that.

[jwicklun]

http://scifi.podbean.com/wp-content/blogs/8405/uploads/ghostbusters.jpg
Yes or no, that motherfucker stays out of my house.

[HoldThatSound]

I'm pretty sure, but I've never had any experiences or anything...

[broaddplease]

I don't believe in ghosts..I don't really believe in any sort of life after death at all.

[MADSTA]

Yep. I don't believe in the kind of ghosts that are shown in movies that try to hurt people though.

[x1onexwo1fx]

get the salt!!!

[Rustash]

I do, mainly because i've had some ghost-like experiences myself. With the whole ghost/demon thing, i think there's different names for different kinds of ghosts. For example, the word "Spirit" is usually associated with good ghosts and "Demon" with evil. Really it's up to anyone to interpret since noone really knows a whole lot about paranormal goings ons.

[jwicklun]

get the salt!!!
Gale the snail?

[PunkRocks]

Damn, you got me on the energy thing, but I still believe they can exist. Some stuff just can't be explained with science.

It wasn't my intention to "own" you or anything else, like the other guy said. I'm not here to convince you, or anyone else, one way or another. I enjoyed you questioning me because that challenged me intellectually and gave me a chance to share insight. You're always free to believe whatever you want, I just like to make sure everyone has the facts before they go make assumptions. If you still want to believe after knowing the facts, then thats your choice and I can't hold that against you.

By the way, did you notice it just got really cold in your room? Whatever you do... don't look behind you...

[x1onexwo1fx]

Gale the snail?

what?

[LastDeclaration]

I can't believe this many people said yes. It's ridiculous.

[VampiresRevenge]

It wasn't my intention to "own" you or anything else, like the other guy said. I'm not here to convince you, or anyone else, one way or another. I enjoyed you questioning me because that challenged me intellectually and gave me a chance to share insight. You're always free to believe whatever you want, I just like to make sure everyone has the facts before they go make assumptions. If you still want to believe after knowing the facts, then thats your choice and I can't hold that against you.

By the way, did you notice it just got really cold in your room? Whatever you do... don't look behind you...
:-) Haha, oh, okay. Yeah, I learned a lot from your post about the energy.

Oh, my God... I looked...

[Colin1755]

Well everything in the universe is made up of matter or energy, correct? We know the laws of energy and that it can not behave in such a manner that it would be the "contents" of a ghost. And well, what form of matter could ghosts be made of? None. So if ghosts aren't made of anything, then they can't exist except in the form of a person's own imagination.
ok smartass then why do they come up heated and red on thermal vision goggles and give signals on radios okkbro,.......

[VampiresRevenge]

ok smartass then why do they come up heated and red on thermal vision goggles and give signals on radios okkbro,.......
Thermal cameras can't capture ghosts. I have no idea why so many ghost shows use them.

[Colin1755]

Thermal cameras can't capture ghosts. I have no idea why so many ghost shows use them.
u dont think so? i think there is deffiently a ghost in my house...though....

[Colin1755]

what about pictures they show up in pictures..

[VampiresRevenge]

u dont think so? i think there is deffiently a ghost in my house...though....
No. Thermal cameras only pick up solid objects, not the air around them. Ghosts aren't solid objects. They can't pick up "cold spots" like most ghost shows claim either. What kind of experiences have you had in your house?
what about pictures they show up in pictures..
Are you talking about orbs or apparitions?

[PunkRocks]

what about pictures they show up in pictures..

No. Thermal cameras only pick up solid objects, not the air around them. Ghosts aren't solid objects. They can't pick up "cold spots" like most ghost shows claim either. What kind of experiences have you had in your house?

Are you talking about orbs or apparitions?

Every picture I've ever seen online, on tv, or in a book of an apparent ghost has been proven to be fake. Colin, if you can find me one that has not been proven to be forged, I'd be very interested to have a look at it.

[Tristan Needler]

Of course not.

[pennie]

Prove it that they exist and I'll believe it.

[Colin1755]

Every picture I've ever seen online, on tv, or in a book of an apparent ghost has been proven to be fake. Colin, if you can find me one that has not been proven to be forged, I'd be very interested to have a look at it.
my cousin has a picture of a ghost in his basement, his house is like 150 years old....

[Colin1755]

its a picture of a big white orb.

[VampiresRevenge]

Every picture I've ever seen online, on tv, or in a book of an apparent ghost has been proven to be fake. Colin, if you can find me one that has not been proven to be forged, I'd be very interested to have a look at it.
Yeah, most of the pictures I've seen of "ghosts" online are fake, too. But I have some books that have some pretty interesting and real looking photos of ghosts in them.
its a picture of a big white orb.
Are you sure it's not a bug or dust? It could also be a camera malfunction.

[NateGolubiewski]

Well, there's not just free energy floating around in a person's body. There is energy in a person's cells and tissue, and of course in the brain and nervous system. However, energy in tissues and organs comes from calories ingested by the food we eat. When we die, that food is no longer turned into energy and whatever energy is left is consumed by bacteria, or whatever else eats us as we decay. As for the energy in the nervous system, that is produced by the brain and nerve receptors. When we die, they cease to function and thus stop sending out energetic pulses. There is no unaccounted energy that just escapes the body en masse when we die.

Science cannot be considered 100% fact. We have all the evidence proving what we know to be fact, but any one thing could set off the laws of science and prove it all wrong in an instant. At any moment, apples could float to the ceiling. Therefore, at any moment ghosts could exist.


However, I don't believe in ghosts.

[SD_John]

I don't believe in ghosts, but I would if I saw one. I don't really believe footage that is recorded.

[Colin1755]

Yeah, most of the pictures I've seen of "ghosts" online are fake, too. But I have some books that have some pretty interesting and real looking photos of ghosts in them.

Are you sure it's not a bug or dust? It could also be a camera malfunction.
lol i guess il never win this one hahaha

[VampiresRevenge]

lol i guess il never win this one hahaha
Haha, it's not about winning. I'm just curious and trying to help you figure out what's in your house.

[PunkRocks]

At any moment, apples could float to the ceiling.

Ok, I was following you until you said this. Just because science may not be able to completely explain gravity doesn't mean that gravity is just going to switch off... it's there, and it's staying. It's not like someone's going to discover a flaw in our laws of gravity and all the sudden gravity is going to be like "Oh shit, someone knows the truth! I'm outta here!"

But I know what you're trying to say about scientific discoveries changing everything, yet you need to understand that we have a good idea about most of the laws and behavioral patterns of matter and energy by now. A lot of people say "well science has been wrong in the past"... and yes, it has been. I won't even get into the reasons for that, just understand that past mistakes/false assumptions haven't always been the fault of the scientific community. The field of science has expanded and grown exponentially over the last century, far more than any other time in human history. By now, most of the troubles in science stem from inability to prove laws and theories due to the complex mathematical equations and restraints of current technology/energy supplies. However, we have a good idea that our current equations and hypotheses are close enough that it's foolish to deny them.

[Colin1755]

Haha, it's not about winning. I'm just curious and trying to help you figure out what's in your house.
lol true kind of ironic coming from vampire revenge LOL, yeah idk must be something im just kidding around though all in good fun, but in all seriosuness a ghost is in my house hahaha my friend even had claimed to have saw it..

[PunkRocks]

Haha, it's not about winning. I'm just curious and trying to help you figure out what's in your house.

This!

[VampiresRevenge]

lol true kind of ironic coming from vampire revenge LOL, yeah idk must be something im just kidding around though all in good fun, but in all seriosuness a ghost is in my house hahaha my friend even had claimed to have saw it..
Haha, I didn't think of that. Did he see just see a shadow person or a full-body apparition?

[NateGolubiewski]

Ok, I was following you until you said this. Just because science may not be able to completely explain gravity doesn't mean that gravity is just going to switch off... it's there, and it's staying. It's not like someone's going to discover a flaw in our laws of gravity and all the sudden gravity is going to be like "Oh shit, someone knows the truth! I'm outta here!"

But I know what you're trying to say about scientific discoveries changing everything, yet you need to understand that we have a good idea about most of the laws and behavioral patterns of matter and energy by now. A lot of people say "well science has been wrong in the past"... and yes, it has been. I won't even get into the reasons for that, just understand that past mistakes/false assumptions haven't always been the fault of the scientific community. The field of science has expanded and grown exponentially over the last century, far more than any other time in human history. By now, most of the troubles in science stem from inability to prove laws and theories due to the complex mathematical equations and restraints of current technology/energy supplies. However, we have a good idea that our current equations and hypotheses are close enough that it's foolish to deny them.

In short, I wasn't denying you. I was just being a dick. The point about the apples is something one of my professor's often used to say. It was basically that at any moment something unknown could change all of the laws we hold. At the same time, the thought of it just seems ridiculous. No worries though, I understand your point and agree completely.

[PunkRocks]

In short, I wasn't denying you. I was just being a dick. The point about the apples is something one of my professor's often used to say. It was basically that at any moment something unknown could change all of the laws we hold. At the same time, the thought of it just seems ridiculous. No worries though, I understand your point completely.

Hahah fair enough. And its no bother to me, by now everyone should know that I like to let my science-dick flop around all over the place when I can.

Oh, and I totally would have argued like crazy with your professor had I been in the class and he said that.

[Colin1755]

Haha, I didn't think of that. Did he see just see a shadow person or a full-body apparition?
he said fully body light green glow...

[NateGolubiewski]

Hahah fair enough. And its no bother to me, by now everyone should know that I like to let my science-dick flop around all over the place when I can.

Oh, and I totally would have argued like crazy with your professor had I been in the class and he said that.

Always did argue. He did a better job of explaining it though and was able to convince me on this.

[PunkRocks]

Always did argue. He did a better job of explaining it though and was able to convince me on this.

Hmm. I definitely want to talk with this guy.

[VampiresRevenge]

he said fully body light green glow...
Was he high? Haha, just kidding. That's weird. Have you experienced anything?

[Colin1755]

http://comicfigs.net/MarvelLegends/HMLSM3/GreenGoblin02.jpg

[PunkRocks]

http://comicfigs.net/MarvelLegends/HMLSM3/GreenGoblin02.jpg

Win.

[Colin1755]

Was he high? Haha, just kidding. That's weird. Have you experienced anything?
hahah no he wasnt't high i dont have any pics f it, volume up and down on tv stereo computer, light flickering, bed shaking at night, vents coming off by themselves and thrown in middle of room while no one sis home/ while doors are locked...

[VampiresRevenge]

http://comicfigs.net/MarvelLegends/HMLSM3/GreenGoblin02.jpg
Maybe your friend saw the Green Goblin.

[PunkRocks]

hahah no he wasnt't high i dont have any pics f it, volume up and down on tv stereo computer, light flickering, bed shaking at night, vents coming off by themselves and thrown in middle of room while no one sis home/ while doors are locked...

Do subways run underneath his house?

[Colin1755]

Maybe your friend saw the Green Goblin.
HAHA

[Colin1755]

Do subways run underneath his house?
hah its my house and no ill live in the suburbs of "beautiful" nj

[VampiresRevenge]

hahah no he wasnt't high i dont have any pics f it, volume up and down on tv stereo computer, light flickering, bed shaking at night, vents coming off by themselves and thrown in middle of room while no one sis home/ while doors are locked...
Sounds like a poltergeist, to me. And it definitely couldn't be a residual haunting since it seems like it's communicating with you.

[PunkRocks]

hah its my house and no ill live in the suburbs of "beautiful" nj

Oh. Well then its probably just some environmental effect caused by all the axe body spray in the NJ air.

[Colin1755]

Sounds like a poltergeist, to me. And it definitely couldn't be a residual haunting since it seems like it's communicating with you.
thanks for making me feel extra safe bud hahahah, i do live near a grave yard lol, and my mom claims to have seen her grandmother in law looking over my dad 10 years ago right after she died and so has my sister when she was like 4 years old or so.......

[Colin1755]

Oh. Well then its probably just some environmental effect caused by all the axe body spray in the NJ air.
was that a jersey shore reference ugh how i loathe that show, im no guido look at my profile im the whitest kid in my whole school.

[Machu505]

Not at all.

[VampiresRevenge]

thanks for making me feel extra safe bud hahahah, i do live near a grave yard lol, and my mom claims to have seen her grandmother in law looking over my dad 10 years ago right after she died and so has my sister when she was like 4 years old or so.......
Hahaha, sorry. If it is her grandmother-in-law, maybe that means it won't try to actually hurt you.

[PunkRocks]

was that a jersey shore reference ugh how i loathe that show, im no guido look at my profile im the whitest kid in my whole school.

Hahaha... yeah, that wasn't a shot directed specifically at you.

[Colin1755]

Hahaha, sorry. If it is her grandmother-in-law, maybe that means it won't try to actually hurt you.
nah it doesnt seem violent..

[Colin1755]

Hahaha... yeah, that wasn't a shot directed specifically at you.
i know i just ahte the rep we got going across the counrty im out of this shit hole as soon as i graduate highschool im going to college somewhere other than here.

[VampiresRevenge]

nah it doesnt seem violent..
That means it's not a demonic haunting, either. Looks like you might have yourself an intelligent haunting.

[Colin1755]

That means it's not a demonic haunting, either. Looks like you might have yourself an intelligent haunting.
ill drink to that

[VampiresRevenge]

ill drink to that
Haha, just don't call Jason and Grant from Ghost Hunters over to your house. They'll just fake evidence, haha.

[Colin1755]

Haha, just don't call Jason and Grant from Ghost Hunters over to your house. They'll just fake evidence, haha.
hahah your right, i like that show about 5-7 years old where they used to put the people in the hauntings like in dracula's castle and stuff in transilvania and shit, its usually on abc family near halloween cant think of the name right though.....

[PunkRocks]

hahah your right, i like that show about 5-7 years old where they used to put the people in the hauntings like in dracula's castle and stuff in transilvania and shit, its usually on abc family near halloween cant think of the name right though.....

I may not believe in ghosts, but there's still no way in hell I'd ever do that shit.

[VampiresRevenge]

hahah your right, i like that show about 5-7 years old where they used to put the people in the hauntings like in dracula's castle and stuff in transilvania and shit, its usually on abc family near halloween cant think of the name right though.....
Oh, yeah, I remember that show. It was called like "Scariest Places on Earth" or something like that. That show is ridiculous.

[Colin1755]

I may not believe in ghosts, but there's still no way in hell I'd ever do that shit.
hahah idk if i wud or wudnt damn cant think of the name right now...

[Colin1755]

http://www.otherkidspacklunch.com/WindowsLiveWriter/ring%20girl%20tv_thumb.jpg

[Colin1755]

creepiest scariest movie in the history of mankind, the ring one & two.

[Colin1755]

Oh, yeah, I remember that show. It was called like "Scariest Places on Earth" or something like that. That show is ridiculous.
hahah good memory!!!

[VampiresRevenge]

creepiest scariest movie in the history of mankind, the ring one & two.
Ah, everyone thinks I'm lame for loving those movies.

[Colin1755]

Ah, everyone thinks I'm lame for loving those movies.
helllllllllllllllllllllllll nooooo my favorite two movies of ALL TIME

[Colin1755]

drag me to hell is pretty intense too, i only watch scary movies haha

[VampiresRevenge]

hahah good memory!!!
:-) I hate that chicks voice that does the narrating. It's irritating.

[Colin1755]

:-) I hate that chicks voice that does the narrating. It's irritating.
your so right, that like the trademark of the whole show, just think about that voice sends me chills.

[VampiresRevenge]

helllllllllllllllllllllllll nooooo my favorite two movies of ALL TIME
Ah, I love watching them on Halloween.

[VampiresRevenge]

your so right, that like the trademark of the whole show, just think about that voice sends me chills.
I know. It sounds like the people who try to talk after they get their throat slit on crime shows.

[Colin1755]

I know. It sounds like the people who try to talk after they get their throat slit on crime shows.
hahaha yep yep, tv stinks these days though...

[VampiresRevenge]

hahaha yep yep, tv stinks these days though...
Eh, not most stuff. But the new ghost shows they come up with are pretty lame.

[Colin1755]

Eh, not most stuff. But the new ghost shows they come up with are pretty lame.
haha u think so? i just hate tv i only watch sports nowa days lol

[VampiresRevenge]

haha u think so? i just hate tv i only watch sports nowa days lol
Yeah, especially on Bravo. I'm addicted to that channel, haha.

[Colin1755]

Yeah, especially on Bravo. I'm addicted to that channel, haha.
spoken like a true female hahaha

[Poochemist]

I'm surprised that so many people believe in ghosts.

[VampiresRevenge]

spoken like a true female hahaha
Hahaha, I know. I'm the typical female.
I'm surprised that so many people believe in ghosts.
Me, too. I thought most of the members were skeptic.

[Colin1755]

Hahaha, I know. I'm the typical female.
haha

[VampiresRevenge]

haha
:nod: It's true, haha.

[GamEin]

Damn, 56-56. Nice poll.

[iSasquatchh]

I just tied it at 58-58. Intense.

My vote is no, but I don't bash those who believe. well, other than the "Ghost Hunter" shows... fucking retarded.

[VampiresRevenge]

I just tied it at 58-58. Intense.

My vote is no, but I don't bash those who believe. well, other than the "Ghost Hunter" shows... fucking retarded.
Ugh, though I watch the show, the people who take it seriously really get on my nerves.

[Nick Hull]

Yes, though I've never actually had an experience of my own.
No, though I've never actually had an experience of my own.

[MyNameIsRoss]

too many sightings

[HopeInLove]

I personally do not believe in ghosts, but I think that it is possible for "ghost-like" things to exist. After all they could be some alien form of technology, maybe like some sort of super advanced cloaking system or something? Maybe they only exist in ones mind, but everything people perceive exists in ones mind, so??

[alliegator16]

75-74.

I broke the tie in favor of being paranoid about the paranormal :)

[Nick Hull]

Prove it.

[Cameronisonfire]

Yea. The adopted chinese girl from the family that lived in the last house I lived in before my family occupied the guest room. She was such a scary bitch.

[Birdiesmom]

I once stood in a room with steel plate walls, ceiling and floor, and heard clear, distinct footsteps begin less than four feet from where I was sitting. They passed across the floor, out the door, down a short hallway, and then descended a steep staircase. The sound was unmistakeably that of dress leather soles on the metal floor. I was in the room with ten other people at the time, all scattered in different places, and we all heard the steps begin at the same spot and pass the same path. We inspected the room and its surroundings thoroughly afterward, looking at the walls, floors, ceiling and furniture for wires, speakers, and any possible way the noise of those footsteps could have been produced by artificial means. We had a Navy radio expert with more than 20 years experience on hand, and neither he nor anyone else found anything.

I can tell you, it would have taken Industrial Lights and Magic to produce the sound quality of those footsteps, carrying through a room, through a doorway, down a hall, and down a stairway -- and even they could not have done it without showing some wires or speakers on those bare metal, solid steel walls and floors.

I might mention that we were aboard a WWII battleship at the time, and there was no living soul aboard other than the eleven of us., except the caretaker, whom we immediately ascertained was asleep in bed. It was 5 a.m. The ship is a US Naval Museum, the US North Carolina, stationed in Wilmington, NC. I also will mention that, about five minutes after the footsteps descended the staircase, we heard ambient noises from all over the ship, sounding like water in pipes being turned on and off, as thought the crew were coming awake and getting ready for the day.

[phil19]

no. i think when you die then thats it

[VampiresRevenge]

no. i think when you die then thats it
Well, that's a happy thought. jk

[phil19]

Well, that's a happy thought. jk

i think so

[xhangmanx]

I'm surprised that so many people believe in ghosts.

I'm not
I've had too many experiences since i was a kid
My dads had even more