Week 0 ESPN NFL Power Rankings

[Scott Weber]

And look who's number 1....


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=0

[Dirty Ernie]

wow eagles at 18, i can't wait to argue about this

[fiddypercent]

sad to see joe and steve go, but i still can't wait to use them in madden 07 :D

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

im a diehard eagles fan, and i hate the falcons but what the fuck is this nonsense?

We can't imagine that Michael Vick would be benched, but there will be calls for Matt Schaub if Vick continues to struggle.

[xbrokendownx]

phins at 8!


alrighttttt miamiiiiii

[DaveFeelsRight]

The Bears at 13? I would have to agree to this

[xearlynovemberx]

the giants are still better than the cowboys

[livethesounds]

Seattle is gonna be the best team in the nfl (if the madden curse dosent show its face) and Tennessee is better than that...well a little better at least.

[sweethypocrisy]

Seattle is gonna be the best team in the nfl (if the madden curse dosent show its face) and Tennessee is better than that...well a little better at least.
good lord, dont get scott started on the madden curse again.

[livethesounds]

good lord, dont get scott started on the madden curse again.

Honestly if it happens again this year, theres no way its a coincidence.

[Scott Weber]

Honestly if it happens again this year, theres no way its a coincidence.
There's no such thing as the Madden Curse. Period. Do your research on what is considered a "curse" by Madden standards. I've been saying this since WAY before Alexander got put on the cover. It's often missing 4 games, or having a worse year statistically than the one before. Think about this. If you're good enough to get on the cover of Madden, then you had a career year, possibly the best that player will ever have. The next year is usually BOUND to be a letdown/significant decrease in stats, Madden cover aside. This simple understanding of sports somehow got misconstrued into being a "curse" and that it's the Madden cover that ruins a player's season.

[Fat Kid Running]

cardinals will surprise everybody

[livethesounds]

True. your so wise.

[fiddypercent]

There's no such thing as the Madden Curse. Period. Do your research on what is considered a "curse" by Madden standards. I've been saying this since WAY before Alexander got put on the cover. It's often missing 4 games, or having a worse year statistically than the one before. Think about this. If you're good enough to get on the cover of Madden, then you had a career year, possibly the best that player will ever have. The next year is usually BOUND to be a letdown/significant decrease in stats, Madden cover aside. This simple understanding of sports somehow got misconstrued into being a "curse" and that it's the Madden cover that ruins a player's season.


if the madden curse doesn't take effect, all we have to worry about is the superbowl hangover.

[sweethypocrisy]

if the madden curse doesn't take effect, all we have to worry about is the superbowl hangover.
also, hasselbeck stepped on a crack. his mother will break her back. he will miss 6 games.

[Scott Weber]

hahahaha

[xearlynovemberx]

cardinals will surprise everybody

oh rly?

[livethesounds]

Maybe the NFL will decide that Vince Young is the second coming of Joe Montana and call defensive holding on every play so the Titans can win the superbowl.
Hey not like it hasent happend in another sport!

[fiddypercent]

bitter?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

be happy that hot hands dampier isnt a TE for your shitty titans.

[Scott Weber]

Even though I like the Mavs that made me laugh

[Broken Parachute]

Dolphins at 8? Yeah okay. They should switch places with the Bears.

[xbrokendownx]

Dolphins at 8? Yeah okay. They should switch places with the Bears.





id like to hear some reasoning as to why you say this

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

the dolphins have sucked ever since snowflake got kidnapped, lets just be honest here

[livethesounds]

bitter?

haha, maybe a little

[xbrokendownx]

the dolphins have sucked ever since snowflake got kidnapped, lets just be honest here





lol


seriously though, besides the 4-12 season 2 years ago, theyve won at least 8 games every year since 1988. pretty damn impressive

[Kram41]

More importantly, look who's dead last. :ugo:

[Broken Parachute]

id like to hear some reasoning as to why you say this
Culpepper is garbage.

I'm just angry because the Giants have a shit spot at 11. So because the Cowboys sign TO, they're gonna win the division? Whatever. They still suck. Giants are gonna take the division. I'll be surprised if the Eagles don't come close to us or the Cowgirls/Redskins. This is gonna be the best division this year (NFC East).

[Broken Parachute]

More importantly, look who's dead last. :ugo:
Hahahaha there's hope, don't worry.

[xbrokendownx]

Culpepper is garbage.

I'm just angry because the Giants have a shit spot at 11. So because the Cowboys sign TO, they're gonna win the division? Whatever. They still suck. Giants are gonna take the division. I'll be surprised if the Eagles don't come close to us or the Cowgirls/Redskins. This is gonna be the best division this year (NFC East).




im with you on that one, i really like the giants actually. and being that i go to school naer philly, i hate the eagles with a passion. the nfc east will def be the toughest division


oh, and culpepper isnt garbage

[Broken Parachute]

im with you on that one, i really like the giants actually. and being that i go to school naer philly, i hate the eagles with a passion. the nfc east will def be the toughest division


oh, and culpepper isnt garbage
I don't hate the Dolphins, I just don't like Culpepper.

[SePaMc]

More importantly, look who's dead last. :ugo:

HAHAHA. hell yes. we can only go up from here!

[livethesounds]

Hahahaha there's hope, don't worry.

For San Fran? im not seein it if there is. That franchise hasent done anything right in 3 years.

[SePaMc]

More importantly, look who's dead last. :ugo:

The 49ers can hold their heads high knowing that their current winning streak is longer than every playoff team's except for the steelers.

[Broken Parachute]

For San Fran? im not seein it if there is. That franchise hasent done anything right in 3 years.
It was obviously a joke..

[FondestMemory]

i disagree with some of that, but it's pretty close for the most part.

i think carolina and seattle are so close in the nfc. i go back and forth between them, but i think i give seattle the slight edge just because they're returning nfc champs. also, there's more of the top 10 i don't agree with. here's how i'd do the top 10.

1. Pittsburgh - maybe a little bias, but they are the returning champs, so i feel it's justified.
2. Seattle - they haven't gotten any worse. they won't have as easy of a roll through the nfc, but they'll still be near the top.
3. Carolina - two nfc teams in the top three is silly, but carolina scares the shit out of me this year.
4. Cincinatti - yeah, palmer may miss a few games, but the ground work has been set. their defense should tighten up this year, making them dangerous on both sides of the ball.
5. Kansas City - this pick may bite me in the ass. but i have a strong feeling this team is gonna be tough for anybody they meet this season.
6. Denver - most of the same pieces as last year, plus a few extras. i just don't have faith in plummer to repeat the type of season he had again.
7. Indianapolis - losing the edge won't hurt them as much as some people think, but i think there's a lot of work that needs done on this team. the pressure to win now after last season's ending may weigh down on them. plus, the afc is overly competitive.
8. Jacksonville - worst 12 win team ever? probably. but only one major loss and the experience of a winning season under their belt. also, one of the better backup qb's even if leftwich can't stay healthy.
9t. Miami - i really like what this team has done. saban worked wonders as a first year coach and made some noise. the team has upgraded their biggest weakness and are in a division where the best team just may be on the way down. real possibility they make some noise.
9t. New England - they may be on the way down, but brady and belichek make me believe that may not be the case. they made some nice moves. i can't put them below the dolphins until they either slip, or the dolphins step up. those two should make that division interesting.
10. Dallas - yeah, i cheated. there's 11, but i felt guilty about only having two nfc teams. if all the pieces fall into place, dallas has the capability to be extremely competitive. sadly for them though, they're in a division that will be beating each other up all season.

[Broken Parachute]

I'm curious. Why is Dallas better than Washington OR New York (or Philly for that matter)?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

the reason they list for the eagles not being good is pure bullshit, they act like the eagles were horrendous without T.O. the three years they made the NFC Championship game

[FinchBulldog2]

I love the Patriots, but I think Dallas is going to win it all this year.

[FondestMemory]

I'm curious. Why is Dallas better than Washington OR New York (or Philly for that matter)?

that division's a pick em. it'll be hard to say any team's better than any other without getting disagreed with. that'll be the most competitive division from top to bottom.

here's my reasoning though:

washington - they had absolutely no offense last year. yeah, they got some help, but can brunell perform? adding randle el and brandon lloyd aren't the answer, i don't think. i just have too many questions about the skins.

new york - eli hasn't shown me enough yet. and they wouldn't have been as good last year if tiki didn't have that team on his back. he had too good a season to expect him to duplicate it again. i also don't expect plaxico to be as effective as last year.

philadelphia - this is just a mere question of everybody coming back healthy and getting back into their true form. if they can, i think they take the division. but that's too many if's.

yeah, i have my questions about dallas too, but when it comes down to it, i have fewer questions about them than the rest of the division.

[Scott Weber]

i disagree with some of that, but it's pretty close for the most part.

i think carolina and seattle are so close in the nfc. i go back and forth between them, but i think i give seattle the slight edge just because they're returning nfc champs. also, there's more of the top 10 i don't agree with. here's how i'd do the top 10.

1. Pittsburgh - maybe a little bias, but they are the returning champs, so i feel it's justified.
2. Seattle - they haven't gotten any worse. they won't have as easy of a roll through the nfc, but they'll still be near the top.
3. Carolina - two nfc teams in the top three is silly, but carolina scares the shit out of me this year.
4. Cincinatti - yeah, palmer may miss a few games, but the ground work has been set. their defense should tighten up this year, making them dangerous on both sides of the ball.
5. Kansas City - this pick may bite me in the ass. but i have a strong feeling this team is gonna be tough for anybody they meet this season.
6. Denver - most of the same pieces as last year, plus a few extras. i just don't have faith in plummer to repeat the type of season he had again.
7. Indianapolis - losing the edge won't hurt them as much as some people think, but i think there's a lot of work that needs done on this team. the pressure to win now after last season's ending may weigh down on them. plus, the afc is overly competitive.
8. Jacksonville - worst 12 win team ever? probably. but only one major loss and the experience of a winning season under their belt. also, one of the better backup qb's even if leftwich can't stay healthy.
9t. Miami - i really like what this team has done. saban worked wonders as a first year coach and made some noise. the team has upgraded their biggest weakness and are in a division where the best team just may be on the way down. real possibility they make some noise.
9t. New England - they may be on the way down, but brady and belichek make me believe that may not be the case. they made some nice moves. i can't put them below the dolphins until they either slip, or the dolphins step up. those two should make that division interesting.
10. Dallas - yeah, i cheated. there's 11, but i felt guilty about only having two nfc teams. if all the pieces fall into place, dallas has the capability to be extremely competitive. sadly for them though, they're in a division that will be beating each other up all season.
gah, you're biased, not bias. Sorry. Pet peeve. Other than that, not a bad list. I'm extremely shaky when it comes to my thoughts on Dallas. I just don't buy it yet.

[FondestMemory]

gah, you're biased, not bias. Sorry. Pet peeve.

i'm biased, but by saying that i was using bias. the way it's worded though, biased may have read better. oh well.

i'm shaky about dallas as well, but the way i see the nfc, i don't see any strong contenders other than the top two. so to make it fair and put a third up at the top, i basically had to go with one out of the east.

[FinchBulldog2]

gah, you're biased, not bias. Sorry. Pet peeve. Other than that, not a bad list. I'm extremely shaky when it comes to my thoughts on Dallas. I just don't buy it yet.
The Cowboys offense has the potential to be explosive. They have one of the best receivers, a very good running back and a quarterback who has been great before and could do it again. It depends on Bledsoe.

[Scott Weber]

i'm biased, but by saying that i was using bias. the way it's worded though, biased may have read better. oh well.

i'm shaky about dallas as well, but the way i see the nfc, i don't see any strong contenders other than the top two. so to make it fair and put a third up at the top, i basically had to go with one out of the east.
hey, it's power rankings, not fairness to the conferences :)

[FondestMemory]

hey, it's power rankings, not fairness to the conferences :)

haha. true.

but you make one and have 8 of the top 10 out of one conference and see if you don't feel a little guilty. :)

[dai the flu]

good for the seahawks. maybe there wont be anymore bitching about 'no respect'.

[Broken Parachute]

that division's a pick em. it'll be hard to say any team's better than any other without getting disagreed with. that'll be the most competitive division from top to bottom.

here's my reasoning though:

washington - they had absolutely no offense last year. yeah, they got some help, but can brunell perform? adding randle el and brandon lloyd aren't the answer, i don't think. i just have too many questions about the skins.

new york - eli hasn't shown me enough yet. and they wouldn't have been as good last year if tiki didn't have that team on his back. he had too good a season to expect him to duplicate it again. i also don't expect plaxico to be as effective as last year.

philadelphia - this is just a mere question of everybody coming back healthy and getting back into their true form. if they can, i think they take the division. but that's too many if's.

yeah, i have my questions about dallas too, but when it comes down to it, i have fewer questions about them than the rest of the division.
At least you gave me some reasons. You didn't blow up in my face for a simple question. Thank you.

I agree about Plax and Tiki, but Eli hasn't shown you enough? The game he lost and threw for over 300 yards against the Chargers? The game against the Broncos with that clutch TD throw with 10 seconds left? The best reciever they have is gonna be Shockey either way. Arrington lifts the Defense up alot too.

[FondestMemory]

At least you gave me some reasons. You didn't blow up in my face for a simple question. Thank you.

I agree about Plax and Tiki, but Eli hasn't shown you enough? The game he lost and threw for over 300 yards against the Chargers? The game against the Broncos with that clutch TD throw with 10 seconds left? The best reciever they have is gonna be Shockey either way. Arrington lifts the Defense up alot too.

eli's had moments. i'm not saying he's not a good, or on the verge of great, qb. but there's too often when he's ineffective. seems like he started last season stronger than he finished it, and that's never good.

is he a good qb? yeah. he's proven that much. can he carry a team the way an elite qb does? not sure. he hasn't shown he can yet.

[Broken Parachute]

eli's had moments. i'm not saying he's not a good, or on the verge of great, qb. but there's too often when he's ineffective. seems like he started last season stronger than he finished it, and that's never good.

is he a good qb? yeah. he's proven that much. can he carry a team the way an elite qb does? not sure. he hasn't shown he can yet.
I'm still hoping for the best this year.

[Vincewithouthee]

That list seems pretty accurate to me.

I'd rather the Steelers not be favored anyway. I like it that way more.

[FondestMemory]

I'm still hoping for the best this year.

understandable, considering you're a giants fan and all. that's what you're supposed to do.

in all honesty though, any of the four teams could win that division and not surprise me. it's so hard to rank the east. it'll be easier when i actually go schedule by schedule and pick game for game. i haven't done that yet.

but, it'll be such a dogfight to win that division. so whoever does end up on top will be more than playoff ready. i think it's seattle or carolina that takes the nfc, but if anybody out of the east storms through there and takes it, i won't be surprised.

[Broken Parachute]

understandable, considering you're a giants fan and all. that's what you're supposed to do.

in all honesty though, any of the four teams could win that division and not surprise me. it's so hard to rank the east. it'll be easier when i actually go schedule by schedule and pick game for game. i haven't done that yet.

but, it'll be such a dogfight to win that division. so whoever does end up on top will be more than playoff ready. i think it's seattle or carolina that takes the nfc, but if anybody out of the east storms through there and takes it, i won't be surprised.
We're almost guaranteed to start the season 0-1. We're playing the Colts Week 1 (The Manning Bowl).

[Scott Weber]

I love the Patriots, but I think Dallas is going to win it all this year.
now that is hilarious. that's like saying whoever picked up stephan marbury in the offseason will win an NBA title. Bledsoe is so inconsistent and Owens will cause so much drama in the locker room that they'll win 10 games and be done in the 1st round.

[Broken Parachute]

now that is hilarious. that's like saying whoever picked up stephan marbury in the offseason will win an NBA title. Bledsoe is so inconsistent and Owens will cause so much drama in the locker room that they'll win 10 games and be done in the 1st round.
hahahaha imaginary scene points for you

[mikeford]

drew bledsoe is the model of consistancy. he's consistantly good until it matters and then he chokes.

[Broken Parachute]

drew bledsoe is the model of consistancy. he's consistantly good until it matters and then he chokes.
He's also the most sacked current QB in the NFL. Lavar Arrington is gonna eat him up this year.

[Drew Beringer]

I guarantee the Packers will finish the season higher than 26th.

[Scott Weber]

I guarantee the Packers will finish the season higher than 26th.
25th?

[Drew Beringer]

25th?
They'll make the playoffs.

[FondestMemory]

I guarantee the Packers will finish the season higher than 26th.

i agree. i haven't went through the whole list and seen where i'd put everybody, but they'd be higher than that.

[mikeford]

like, im so conflicted by the situation with the cowboys. i almost want them to fail because winning with TO would seem so hollow and not worth it.

[FondestMemory]

25th?

haha.

They'll make the playoffs.

it's not impossible, but i'm not sure i'm ready to go that far yet. they have to win the division. that division isn't getting two teams in. the division isn't necessarily going to be good, but it's going to be damn competitive. all the teams match up well with each other. it's up for grabs. whether the packers grab it, i'm not sure. it's possible though.

[Drew Beringer]

haha.



it's not impossible, but i'm not sure i'm ready to go that far yet. they have to win the division. that division isn't getting two teams in. the division isn't necessarily going to be good, but it's going to be damn competitive. all the teams match up well with each other. it's up for grabs. whether the packers grab it, i'm not sure. it's possible though.

Lions have no shot, Vikings downgraded over teh offseason minus the pickup of that OT from Seattle. Chicago will be decent, but they got a lot of lucky breaks last year and could fall off. Packers really did improve a lot over the offseason, not as much as I hoped for, but I think 8-8 can win that division lol.

[LeftWideOpen]

im a diehard eagles fan, and i hate the falcons but what the fuck is this nonsense?

I believe it ...Schaub has been great in his limited time. I'm surprised no other team has tried to pry him away. He's wasting away on the Falcon's bench.

Dolphins at 8? Yeah okay. They should switch places with the Bears.

Yeah, I think everyone is jumping on the Fins bandwagon a little early. Too many question marks to be considered a Top 10 team, in my mind.

[Scott Weber]

They'll make the playoffs.
Haha. We'll see. I'm predicting 7-9.

[FondestMemory]

Lions have no shot, Vikings downgraded over teh offseason minus the pickup of that OT from Seattle. Chicago will be decent, but they got a lot of lucky breaks last year and could fall off. Packers really did improve a lot over the offseason, not as much as I hoped for, but I think 8-8 can win that division lol.

haha. i think it'll take at least 9 to win. chicago will be the biggest threat. but grossman has some proving to do. i wouldn't write detroit off just yet. kitna's got a lot to prove and a lot of game left. and who knows what martz's offense is gonna be capable of. not saying they'll win it, but i think they'll be competitive. minnesota will be consistent. if they can work up a running game, they'll be able to do some damage.

it's really up for grabs. anybody can win that division without surprising me. i'd like to see the packers bounce back strong. i enjoy favre and want him to prove to people that bitch about him that he's still got 2 or 3 good years left.

plus hawk is gonna be a monster.

[Drew Beringer]

Haha. We'll see. I'm predicting 7-9.
Haha, I would be happy with 7-9.

[Drew Beringer]

haha. i think it'll take at least 9 to win. chicago will be the biggest threat. but grossman has some proving to do. i wouldn't write detroit off just yet. kitna's got a lot to prove and a lot of game left. and who knows what martz's offense is gonna be capable of. not saying they'll win it, but i think they'll be competitive. minnesota will be consistent. if they can work up a running game, they'll be able to do some damage.

it's really up for grabs. anybody can win that division without surprising me. i'd like to see the packers bounce back strong. i enjoy favre and want him to prove to people that bitch about him that he's still got 2 or 3 good years left.

plus hawk is gonna be a monster.
Hawk will be the D ROTY.

[FondestMemory]

Hawk will be the D ROTY.

no disagreement here.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

i refuse to believe that the falcons would let vicks contract waste away on the bench, those atlanta fans are so shallow anyways they love Mike Vick, he is garbage.

[bigmike]

Scott, don't get too excited, Shaun Alexander will break his ankle this year, but if he doesn't he'll suck because they lost Joe Jurevicius. Duh.


And the lions at 24. what's the over/under on them plummeting to the bottom 2 or 3?
If they do anything right they'll fucking suck this year so we can get Brady Quinn with the top pick next year. but we'd probably use it on a WR like Jarrett from USC or on some fucking RB that can take more time away from Kevin jones, because, you know, he's not the most talented offensive player we have or anything.
Football hasn't started and I'm already pissed.

[FondestMemory]

Scott, don't get too excited, Shaun Alexander will break his ankle this year, but if he doesn't he'll suck because they lost Joe Jurevicius. Duh.


And the lions at 24. what's the over/under on them plummeting to the bottom 2 or 3?
If they do anything right they'll fucking suck this year so we can get Brady Quinn with the top pick next year. but we'd probably use it on a WR like Jarrett from USC or on some fucking RB that can take more time away from Kevin jones, because, you know, he's not the most talented offensive player we have or anything.
Football hasn't started and I'm already pissed.

i think they'll win a minimum of 5 games. maybe even 6, at the least.

[bigmike]

i think they'll win a minimum of 5 games. maybe even 6, at the least.
I hope not. they need to suck this year or pull the wool over someone's eyes in some trade where we send mike williams+charles rogers to someone for the #1 pick to get quinn. Anything else in next years draft is a bust.

[FondestMemory]

I hope not. they need to suck this year or pull the wool over someone's eyes in some trade where we send mike williams+charles rogers to someone for the #1 pick to get quinn. Anything else in next years draft is a bust.

haha. i'd love to be a fan of a team where winning five or six games isn't sucking.

[bigmike]

haha. i'd love to be a fan of a team where winning five or six games isn't sucking.
yeah, winning 5 or 6 could be argued as overachieving when it comes to the lions.

[LeftWideOpen]

I hope not. they need to suck this year or pull the wool over someone's eyes in some trade where we send mike williams+charles rogers to someone for the #1 pick to get quinn. Anything else in next years draft is a bust.

so, you want the lions to take brady quinn? i hadn't noticed, haha.

[bigmike]

so, you want the lions to take brady quinn? i hadn't noticed, haha.
basically. but chances are we'll be just mediocre enough to miss out on him. We'll get some shitty RB that can take even more time away from kevin jones. fjdaslfjsdoaphfahg I don't know why i even watch football.

[FondestMemory]

basically. but chances are we'll be just mediocre enough to miss out on him. We'll get some shitty RB that can take even more time away from kevin jones. fjdaslfjsdoaphfahg I don't know why i even watch football.

heisman trophy winner troy smith may still be on the board when they pick. :)

[Broken Parachute]

If Brady Quinn goes to the Lions, I may become a Lions fan.

[justinevans]

im a diehard eagles fan, and i hate the falcons but what the fuck is this nonsense?

you're cool in my book now.

[justinevans]

yeah alexander is on madden....let seattle be #1 for now. wow i feel bad for disappointment they will soon see.

[Broken Parachute]

runner up for the heisman trophy, troy smith, may still be on the board when they pick. :) Yeah I agree.

[bigmike]

heisman trophy winner troy smith may still be on the board when they pick. :)
Great. a poor man's Vince Young. that's exactly what I want.
Ugh. I can see us picking him, too. This thread is depressing.

[LeftWideOpen]

a thread about preseason power rankings, and we are already at like 85 posts in one day. This is crazy.

[FondestMemory]

Great. a poor man's Vince Young. that's exactly what I want.
Ugh. I can see us picking him, too. This thread is depressing.

no way. there are no comparisons between troy smith's game and vince young's. troy smith has proven he can play quarterback. he doesn't just take off after one or two reads. he runs as an absolute last resort. he sits and waits for plays to develops. and if they don't he uses his athleticism to create plays. troy smith runs the quarterback position extremely well.

he makes good decisions, has a hell of an arm and can read defenses. he'll turn a lot of heads this year. i honestly think the heisman comes down to him and brady quinn.

[FondestMemory]

a thread about preseason power rankings, and we are already at like 85 posts in one day. This is crazy.

you have no clue how much i needed this thread. i've been dying for football talk. i've been relatively quiet in anything else going on now.

[bigmike]

no way. there are no comparisons between troy smith's game and vince young's. troy smith has proven he can play quarterback. he doesn't just take off after one or two reads. he runs as an absolute last resort. he sits and waits for plays to develops. and if they don't he uses his athleticism to create plays. troy smith runs the quarterback position extremely well.

he makes good decisions, has a hell of an arm and can read defenses. he'll turn a lot of heads this year. i honestly think the heisman comes down to him and brady quinn.
Eh, i'm not sold on him. even with a good bowl game and a great senior year I don't see him as an NFL QB.

[FondestMemory]

Eh, i'm not sold on him. even with a good bowl game and a great senior year I don't see him as an NFL QB.

that's fine if you're not sold on him, but comparing him to vince young was a slap in the face.

i don't think he'll be a great pro quarterback, but i think he has the tools to be better than average.

[bigmike]

that's fine if you're not sold on him, but comparing him to vince young was a slap in the face.

i don't think he'll be a great pro quarterback, but i think he has the tools to be better than average.
haha. i know. but if we take him he's guaranteed to be another Vince Young. we just have that knack.

[sweethypocrisy]

if TS goes to the lions ill cry.

[bigmike]

if TS goes to the lions ill cry.
i will cry if we don't get a top 3 pick. that should be the mission this year. everyone just do what we normally do and suck and skip meetings and be lazy and not run during practice and have a shitty o-line but put all the blame squarely on a QB even though everyone hates him on his team so we can secure this top 3 pick.

[sweethypocrisy]

i will cry if we don't get a top 3 pick. that should be the mission this year. everyone just do what we normally do and suck and skip meetings and be lazy and not run during practice and have a shitty o-line but put all the blame squarely on a QB even though everyone hates him on his team so we can secure this top 3 pick.
watch the lions almost make the playoffs this season.

[FondestMemory]

i will cry if we don't get a top 3 pick. that should be the mission this year. everyone just do what we normally do and suck and skip meetings and be lazy and not run during practice and have a shitty o-line but put all the blame squarely on a QB even though everyone hates him on his team so we can secure this top 3 pick.

i'm clearly not a closet lions fan* like you, but i don't understand wanting quinn so bad.

kitna can play, he'll get you through this year. but mccown is fucking talented. that kid's got loads and loads of potential. all he needs is to be given a steady chance.

don't get me wrong, getting quinn would be nice for ya, but i'm thinking you'll have more pressing needs going into next season.


*where'd that douche come from anyway?

[bigmike]

i'm clearly not a closet lions fan* like you, but i don't understand wanting quinn so bad.

kitna can play, he'll get you through this year. but mccown is fucking talented. that kid's got loads and loads of potential. all he needs is to be given a steady chance.

don't get me wrong, getting quinn would be nice for ya, but i'm thinking you'll have more pressing needs going into next season.


*where'd that douche come from anyway?
Kitna can play but he's not the long term answer. And neither is McCown. brady quinn will be twice the QB McCown will ever be, no matter how much potential he has. QB, by the end of next year is a pressing need. behind kitna and McCown it's Dan Orlovsky from UConn.

and I don't know where that kid came from. he took offense to me saying that the blue jays/rockies rekindling their rivlary are basically what sucks about interleague play and then he tried to sound like the Rockies are actually a good team for beating toronto and oakland.

[FondestMemory]

Kitna can play but he's not the long term answer. And neither is McCown. brady quinn will be twice the QB McCown will ever be, no matter how much potential he has. QB, by the end of next year is a pressing need. behind kitna and McCown it's Dan Orlovsky from UConn.

and I don't know where that kid came from. he took offense to me saying that the blue jays/rockies rekindling their rivlary are basically what sucks about interleague play and then he tried to sound like the Rockies are actually a good team for beating toronto and oakland.

true about kitna not being long term. but i think mccown can be. and yes, quinn will be twice the qb mccown will ever be, but i still think mccown will be able to lead a team very well. i just want to see him finally get his chance.

if you get the chance at quinn, no fucking way do you pass it up. but it just doesn't seem like the end of the world if you don't get him.

[bigmike]

true about kitna not being long term. but i think mccown can be. and yes, quinn will be twice the qb mccown will ever be, but i still think mccown will be able to lead a team very well. i just want to see him finally get his chance.

if you get the chance at quinn, no fucking way do you pass it up. but it just doesn't seem like the end of the world if you don't get him.
yeah. i'm positive we won't get quinn. and it's the end of the world to me, haha.

[FondestMemory]

yeah. i'm positive we won't get quinn. and it's the end of the world to me, haha.

haha. fair enough. ya never know though, dude could end up pulling a leinart.

i'm sure cardinal fans were positive they weren't gonna get him. shit falls crazy sometimes though.

[Broken Parachute]

Brady Quinn for President? :shrugs:

[bigmike]

haha. fair enough. ya never know though, dude could end up pulling a leinart.

i'm sure cardinal fans were positive they weren't gonna get him. shit falls crazy sometimes though.
good point. i doubt he would though. i could understand him dropping to like 3 or 4 depending on the teams that are picking high (SF, Tennessee maybe, Houston), but it all depends on how much we suck this year.

[Broken Parachute]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2844/quinn13va.jpg

[Goodbye Forever]

Has there ever been a four man race for a starting QB job before? At least the Jets are setting some type of record this year.

[histrionics22]

Has there ever been a four man race for a starting QB job before? At least the Jets are setting some type of record this year.
Pennington ramsey and who?

[Goodbye Forever]

Bollinger and Clemens. Mangini is giving them all even time with the first team offense and has declared open season on the QB job.

[histrionics22]

But do you really think the other 2 have a chance. I always liked Patrick Ramsey, with the stipulation he has an offensive line in front of him.

[FondestMemory]

Bollinger and Clemens. Mangini is giving them all even time with the first team offense and has declared open season on the QB job.

clemens is gonna be good in time. not yet though.

bollinger pretty much proved last year how worthless he is. ramsey is a glorified backup.

if chad goes down again, all hell breaks loose.

[Goodbye Forever]

The thing is, nobody wants Pennington around. Mangini doesn't want him. They're looking for any reason not to start him. If Bollinger or Clemens (who has a better chance to start at some point this season than I think people realize) can impress, I wouldn't be shocked if he threw one of them in there.

[bigmike]

The thing is, nobody wants Pennington around. Mangini doesn't want him. They're looking for any reason not to start him. If Bollinger or Clemens (who has a better chance to start at some point this season than I think people realize) can impress, I wouldn't be shocked if he threw one of them in there.
he might as well. If he throws pennington in there, he'll get hurt so Clemens would have to get pressed into time. So he should be giving Clemens time with the 1st team because he's guaranteed to play this year.

[FondestMemory]

i think clemens will be really good. but if he's thrown in there too soon with that team, that'll ruin him. i just don't want to see that happen.

i'd like to see pennington stay healthy though and play to his ability. that may quiet a lot of the critics. i'd just like to see one more good season out of him, at least to make him desireable if the jets want to get rid of him / dump him.

[bigmike]

i think clemens will be really good. but if he's thrown in there too soon with that team, that'll ruin him. i just don't want to see that happen.

i'd like to see pennington stay healthy though and play to his ability. that may quiet a lot of the critics. i'd just like to see one more good season out of him, at least to make him desireable if the jets want to get rid of him / dump him.
I don't. he's the only MAC QB i hate. but only because he beat Western Michigan on a TD Scramble with like 14 seconds left in the MAC Championship game his Senior year I think it was.

[fiddypercent]

clemens will be the first post-tedford system quarterback from university of oregon(akili smith, harrington, and even though he wasn't suppose to be a 'star' aj feely). it'll be interesting to see how he does. it's too bad that he got hurt last year, they probably would have beaten the sooners.