Professor, I respectfully disagree with your position.

[Villanova1L]

Um... fuck you.

I ended up with a B+ in one of my business classes because I got a 89 in participation. I e-mailed the professor asking why. His response was: "You missed the first class. I'm not interested in debating your grade as it is subjective and is always at the discretion of the professor."

What a crock of shit answer. I missed 1 class (I was admitted to the program late and was scheduled to be out of the state for a family function in Utah). What a fucking joke. I missed an A- by 4 points of a possible 600.

Douche.

Share your upsetting moments from professors.

[BrennanHickson]

Shouldn't have mentioned your Mormon views to him.

[fedhed7]

I was gonna get an A in one of my bullshit communications classes, but I missed a few classes, and apparently you move down a half letter grade for each class you miss without an excuse. ended up with a B-. Such crap

[ted is lying]

I had something like that with sociology he said I never showed up to class, I told him I was at every class but I always fell asleep.

[wroteurname]

Then you still suck, ted is lying

[wroteurname]

Um... fuck you.

I ended up with a B+ in one of my business classes because I got a 89 in participation. I e-mailed the professor asking why. His response was: "You missed the first class. I'm not interested in debating your grade as it is subjective and is always at the discretion of the professor."

What a crock of shit answer. I missed 1 class (I was admitted to the program late and was scheduled to be out of the state for a family function in Utah). What a fucking joke. I missed an A- by 4 points of a possible 600.

Douche.

Share your upsetting moments from professors.
Sounds like the classic "that band sucks" "nah ah music is subjective" AP.net argument.

[Thriftstoresuit]

I was gonna get an A in one of my bullshit communications classes, but I missed a few classes, and apparently you move down a half letter grade for each class you miss without an excuse. ended up with a B-. Such crap

that's shitty. I had a professor this semester who, If you missed more than two classes, wouldn't give you higher than a C.

[wroteurname]

Why is it so hard for people to go to class?

[Ryan Mills]

Who takes attendance in college? If you want to spend $15,000 - $50,000 a year to sit in your dorm room because you're lazy, why do they care?

[.invisible ink.]

Um... fuck you.

I ended up with a B+ in one of my business classes because I got a 89 in participation. I e-mailed the professor asking why. His response was: "You missed the first class. I'm not interested in debating your grade as it is subjective and is always at the discretion of the professor."

What a crock of shit answer. I missed 1 class (I was admitted to the program late and was scheduled to be out of the state for a family function in Utah). What a fucking joke. I missed an A- by 4 points of a possible 600.

Douche.

Share your upsetting moments from professors.

I don't understand why you couldn't explain the fact that you were admitted to the class late. I would probably leave out the portion about the family function but seriously, it was the very first class. You should kiss the professor's ass a little in the email too. Tell him how much you enjoyed the course and tried your best, etc. You don't really have anything left to lose.

[TotalCollapse]

The past marking period in physics I was a couple point away from an A. My teacher was really picky about everything. For instance, for the calculations part of a lab I didn't show enough work. I wrote:
5.6 m/s @ 50 degrees --> Vx=3.6 m/s Vy=4.3 m/s
I was supposed to write:
5.6 m/s @ 50 degrees --> Vx=5.6cos50 = 3.6 m/s Vy=5.6sin50 = 4.3 m/s
He took off 4 pts for that one problem, even though I got it correct. The whole lab report was worth 30 pts and there were 10+ other calculations, analysis questions, hypothesis, data table, conclusion, sources of error, etc.
On a test that I took in the class, there was this one problem and he had never told us how we're supposed to solve it. I solved the problem using what I learned in calc and I got it correct; however, I got no credit because I did not solve it the "physics way" even though he never taught us how to properly solve the problem. It was worth 10% of the test grade. I probably would have gotten a 95 in the class (instead of an 89) if my teacher wasn't so picky about everything.

[perceptrons]

Why is it so hard for people to go to class?
Seriously, I almost never miss a class.

Also, if you calculated how much it costs you for each class, you might re-think skipping it.

[wroteurname]

Seriously, I almost never miss a class.

Also, if you calculated how much it costs you for each class, you might re-think skipping it.
Exactly, and especially if you know that your professor is a stickler for attendance you have no reason to be all wah wah my professor wants me to learn.

[wroteurname]

Oh, and I guess my least favorite thing about professors is that they never seem to give students the benefit of the doubt on like questionable handwriting types of stuff. For example if you're doing math and your 4s look like 9s and the teacher assumes its the wrong answer. Like it could just as easily be right and they mark it wrong. LAME.

[Villanova1L]

I don't understand why you couldn't explain the fact that you were admitted to the class late. I would probably leave out the portion about the family function but seriously, it was the very first class. You should kiss the professor's ass a little in the email too. Tell him how much you enjoyed the course and tried your best, etc. You don't really have anything left to lose.

Well it was a wedding in a different state and I did e-mail him before the class started explaining I was going to miss the class.

In the first e-mails I kissed his ass, but by the end I was just furious about the whole situation.

Also he didn't give a single score higher than 48/50 to anyone in the class on our weekly written assignments. I handed one in that only said great job at various parts, with checks on all the points I needed to hit (meaning I did all the required work and my alternatives were "exceptional") and yet I got a 48/50. I asked why and he said that "it wasn't perfect."

I'm not unhappy with the B+, just unhappy with his argument.

[Villanova1L]

Seriously, I almost never miss a class.

Also, if you calculated how much it costs you for each class, you might re-think skipping it.

People typically go to college for the degree, not to learn the material. I don't agree with this, but I didn't go to a lot of classes in undergrad. I had a professor for 2 classes that wrote my letter of recommendation for law school. The first time I took her attendance wasn't part of your grade. I went roughly half the time and got a 98% in the course. The second time I assumed she still didn't care about attendance, so I continued not to go. I didn't receive a grade lower than a 95% on assignments/tests, but I got a 0% on attendance (which she had added because people were not going) and ended up with a B. She explained that she did it to make people take the material seriously and she didn't think people who missed class deserved As. I told her my grades reflected that I took the assignments seriously and knew the material. She agreed, but wouldn't change my grade, but wrote me a great letter of recommendation. She was respectful in explaining why I received the grade I did and why she felt attendance was important, so I wasn't upset with her. This teacher basically told me to fuck myself and he's the boss, that didn't sit as well.

[wroteurname]

People typically go to college for the degree, not to learn the material. I don't agree with this, but I didn't go to a lot of classes in undergrad. I had a professor for 2 classes that wrote my letter of recommendation for law school. The first time I took her attendance wasn't part of your grade. I went roughly half the time and got a 98% in the course. The second time I assumed she still didn't care about attendance, so I continued not to go. I didn't receive a grade lower than a 95% on assignments/tests, but I got a 0% on attendance (which she had added because people were not going) and ended up with a B. She explained that she did it to make people take the material seriously and she didn't think people who missed class deserved As. I told her my grades reflected that I took the assignments seriously and knew the material. She agreed, but wouldn't change my grade, but wrote me a great letter of recommendation. She was respectful in explaining why I received the grade I did and why she felt attendance was important, so I wasn't upset with her. This teacher basically told me to fuck myself and he's the boss, that didn't sit as well.

You're lucky. I'm in teacher ed and I'd never write a letter of recommendation for someone who is playin xbox rather than going to my class.

[JoshSalas]

You're lucky. I'm in teacher ed and I'd never write a letter of recommendation for someone who is playin xbox rather than going to my class.

Why? If you don't mind explaining, that makes it sound like every student should attend every single lecture you give, instead of just the ones they need.

[wroteurname]

Why? If you don't mind explaining, that makes it sound like every student should attend every single lecture you give, instead of just the ones they need. to me, its just very disrespectful to not attend class on a regular basis. Basically tells the teacher their class isn't important. Especially in the case where you quoted. He didnt go to the class and still got a rec from the professor. Its like saying "I don't need you, you're not important...until i need a rec."

[Smash Adams]

I go to a small school so I couldn't miss class even if I wanted to, but when I have had to miss class I find it's easier to just go to class then to make up the work

[Villanova1L]

to me, its just very disrespectful to not attend class on a regular basis. Basically tells the teacher their class isn't important. Especially in the case where you quoted. He didnt go to the class and still got a rec from the professor. Its like saying "I don't need you, you're not important...until i need a rec."

The class, in the grand scheme of things, is not important at all. The material MAY be important, but the act of attending class is of little to no importance.

I didn't need a rec from that teacher, I just did well in her class, so I knew she'd write me one. Also, she knew I wasn't going to class and we spoke about it frequently. You can have a relationship with a professor without regularly attending class. The great thing about this professor was she understood what her class was. Her classes were Political Executives and Political Parties which were common for people planning on going law school and maxed at half full on a given day. Most of the kids knew the material already and lecture was completely pointless. The class was attended by people with no background knowledge who needed the course for a prereq, a substitute for history or a diversity requirement or something like that.

I also had a teacher refuse to write me a recommendation because I got a B+ in her class, but she "didn't like how hard I tried" and I attended that class every time. The average grade in the class was a B-, so I'm confused why she didn't think I worked hard enough.

Teachers think way to highly of themselves sometimes, and your post is evidence of that to some degree.

[Srsly]

What's the point of skipping classes? Instead of having a nice prof read out the key parts of the chapter (essentially anything that will be tested) on a nice big screen for you, you'd rather spend the same amount of time/probably more reading it by yourself? Or leaving it all till the end so you're pretty much screwed for exams?

PLUS, attendance is there to boost most people's marks.

I'm a skipper & I'm screwed for my finals.

Anyways, the OP has a valid concern though, he missed one class.. You should've got a note or been excused or w.e.

[concernedparent]

Well, this hasn't happened yet but if it does I'm going to be fucking pissed off. I'm currently in an extremely tough C++ programming class where he doesn't curve and the class average is a 60%. However, I've been trying really hard and have a 102% (got everything plus a little extra credit). This took a lot of effort. However, he has a policy about the final where a 70% or less on the final means you got a C- or worse in the class. It was the hardest final I've ever taken in my life and am almost positive I got less than a 70%. Which means I'm going to have to retake a class I've mastered and probably had the highest grade in the class in, just because of one insanely difficult test.

The main reason this is such a big deal is because I'm trying to transfer to UCLA. A C- will prevent me from getting into UCLA, because I won't be able to satisfy their prerequisites, and I'm a fucking computer science major. Some fuckin bullshit man fuck.

[wroteurname]

The class, in the grand scheme of things, is not important at all. The material MAY be important, but the act of attending class is of little to no importance.

I didn't need a rec from that teacher, I just did well in her class, so I knew she'd write me one. Also, she knew I wasn't going to class and we spoke about it frequently. You can have a relationship with a professor without regularly attending class. The great thing about this professor was she understood what her class was. Her classes were Political Executives and Political Parties which were common for people planning on going law school and maxed at half full on a given day. Most of the kids knew the material already and lecture was completely pointless. The class was attended by people with no background knowledge who needed the course for a prereq, a substitute for history or a diversity requirement or something like that.

I also had a teacher refuse to write me a recommendation because I got a B+ in her class, but she "didn't like how hard I tried" and I attended that class every time. The average grade in the class was a B-, so I'm confused why she didn't think I worked hard enough.

Teachers think way to highly of themselves sometimes, and your post is evidence of that to some degree.

*too

[yves.]

my poli sci professor believed in negative credit. if we didn't turn an assignment in, we'd get -100 points.

[perceptrons]

Asshole professors make me laugh.

[crimsonandclovr]

this is the first semester EVER that i went to EVERY single class. EVERY single lecture AND discussion. if my professors give me some kind of shit like this, i wouldn't be able to describe the kind of fury i will be experiencing

[Villanova1L]

*too

That's one passive way to avoid my comments about the profession you're entering.

[Villanova1L]

What's the point of skipping classes? Instead of having a nice prof read out the key parts of the chapter (essentially anything that will be tested) on a nice big screen for you, you'd rather spend the same amount of time/probably more reading it by yourself? Or leaving it all till the end so you're pretty much screwed for exams?

PLUS, attendance is there to boost most people's marks.

I'm a skipper & I'm screwed for my finals.

Anyways, the OP has a valid concern though, he missed one class.. You should've got a note or been excused or w.e.

Some professors send their powerpoints, notes, etc.

Also, I think that if you've read (which you're suppose to do anyway) what's the point in hearing the prof read it back to you? I saw none in undergrad, so I didn't go.

[wroteurname]

That's one passive way to avoid my comments about the profession you're entering.
Was it law school you said you were going to? Much more noble than teaching.

[swirlofhues]

i hate when professors punish you for missing one or two classes. the bullshit part of is that they could use that as leverage for reasons why they'd bump down your grade. yet, if you're some smooth talker who is charming and becomes buddy buddy with the professor, you can pull the "absent half the course/showing up late every class" routine. i participate a good amount in all my classes but i don't take extra effort to be friends with professors if it doesn't happen naturally. :shrug:

[Susanna]

Then you still suck, ted is lying
What is your avatar? It reminds me of this artist I love.

[Villanova1L]

Was it law school you said you were going to? Much more noble than teaching.

I was just hoping you'd respond to the content of what I said, but you seem more interested in grammar and backhanded comments about choice of profession. For the record, yes it is law school. This situation happens to be a business school teacher because I'm in the joint JD/MBA program. I never had a problem with a law professor explaining my grade to me, maybe I'm spoiled in that way.

I understand you're comment about the law being noble was meant as a sarcastic response to my comment about teaching, but just respond to the content of what I said a few posts ago.

What makes teachers important?
Do you agree people go to college/higher learning for the degree or to hear what a teacher thinks on a subject?

[RedWineSheets]

I was just hoping you'd respond to the content of what I said, but you seem more interested in grammar and backhanded comments about choice of profession. For the record, yes it is law school. This situation happens to be a business school teacher because I'm in the joint JD/MBA program. I never had a problem with a law professor explaining my grade to me, maybe I'm spoiled in that way.

I understand you're comment about the law being noble was meant as a sarcastic response to my comment about teaching, but just respond to the content of what I said a few posts ago.

What makes teachers important?
Do you agree people go to college/higher learning for the degree or to hear what a teacher thinks on a subject?

always wondered how the joint degree would be. is it mix of law and business or finish all your requirements for one and move on to the next?

[wroteurname]

What is your avatar? It reminds me of this artist I love.

It's the artwork for Bright Eyes's Letting off the Happiness, I can't find who the actual artist behind it is.

I was just hoping you'd respond to the content of what I said, but you seem more interested in grammar and backhanded comments about choice of profession. For the record, yes it is law school. This situation happens to be a business school teacher because I'm in the joint JD/MBA program. I never had a problem with a law professor explaining my grade to me, maybe I'm spoiled in that way.

I understand you're comment about the law being noble was meant as a sarcastic response to my comment about teaching, but just respond to the content of what I said a few posts ago.

What makes teachers important?
Do you agree people go to college/higher learning for the degree or to hear what a teacher thinks on a subject?

I have no interest in being a professor, I'm in a secondary education program. All this information you accumulated which makes your college professors so unnecessary must have come from somewhere (high school). Yes, a lot of the time there are people who just do the minimum to get by in college. However, professors are not as obsolete as you make them out to be. Even if you don't go to class they are there to answer questions, clarify things, actually give out new knowledge in things like office hours. And even if they are just there to get a degree, sometimes they have to get some information along the way. In given professions, even if you just do what you need to get your degree you'll be fucked if you didn't actually learn anything. In summary, although I agree that there a select few gems out there who just want a degree I do not necessary agree with that approach. And yes, there are people who actually want to learn something and hear what their professors have to say.

[Villanova1L]

always wondered how the joint degree would be. is it mix of law and business or finish all your requirements for one and move on to the next?

Full class load at the law school (15 credits) got to transfer 9 (or 12 to the business school w/ no effect on GPA, just waived out) so that saved me $6300. I take 3 night classes at the business school. Most people start in their 2nd year, I started in my 3rd, so I'll have an extra semester after graduation of just business classes.

[KellyGleason]

I have some horror stories, but my professor (aka the head of the undergraduate division of nursing) probably browses..

[Villanova1L]

It's the artwork for Bright Eyes's Letting off the Happiness, I can't find who the actual artist behind it is.



I have no interest in being a professor, I'm in a secondary education program. All this information you accumulated which makes your college professors so unnecessary must have come from somewhere (high school). Yes, a lot of the time there are people who just do the minimum to get by in college. However, professors are not as obsolete as you make them out to be. Even if you don't go to class they are there to answer questions, clarify things, actually give out new knowledge in things like office hours. And even if they are just there to get a degree, sometimes they have to get some information along the way. In given professions, even if you just do what you need to get your degree you'll be fucked if you didn't actually learn anything. In summary, although I agree that there a select few gems out there who just want a degree I do not necessary agree with that approach. And yes, there are people who actually want to learn something and hear what their professors have to say.

If I dont go to class what are the odds I go to office hours? Also, I have gone to office hours and am constantly told, "I've covered all this to the extent you need to know during lecture." So I dont think terribly highly of office hours.

You don't think people are just trying to get a degree? Look at any state university and the attendance percentage. I'd suggest the numbers will show you that there are more kids NOT going than going. I don't doubt there are people who take everything a professor says to heart, but in my opinion they are a small minority.

How are you "fucked" if you only get a degree? What profession, that doesn't require graduate school would I be fucked in? And who said I need to go to class to learn? If I do the work, but do not attend class then how would I be fucked? You still haven't explained the importance of sitting through lecture.

[wroteurname]

If I dont go to class what are the odds I go to office hours? Also, I have gone to office hours and am constantly told, "I've covered all this to the extent you need to know during lecture." So I dont think terribly highly of office hours.

You don't think people are just trying to get a degree? Look at any state university and the attendance percentage. I'd suggest the numbers will show you that there are more kids NOT going than going. I don't doubt there are people who take everything a professor says to heart, but in my opinion they are a small minority.

How are you "fucked" if you only get a degree? What profession, that doesn't require graduate school would I be fucked in? And who said I need to go to class to learn? If I do the work, but do not attend class then how would I be fucked? You still haven't explained the importance of sitting through lecture.
I definitely said that there are people who don't go to class regularly but that I don't agree with that. And about office hours, once again I dont blame a professor for not going out of their way to help someone who doesn't go to their class. The professors that take attendance at lectures do so to help their students who go, not to punish those don't. You have no reason to complain about getting a grade you didn't want if you didn't fulfill the attendance requirements. It's like not handing in an assignment. It was the first class you missed you say? Who doesn't go on the first day? That was probably the day they said attendance was required. Lectures are as important as the value the professor assigns them. Clearly they were important to this professor.

[Ryan Mills]

It's the artwork for Bright Eyes's Letting off the Happiness, I can't find who the actual artist behind it is.



I have no interest in being a professor, I'm in a secondary education program. All this information you accumulated which makes your college professors so unnecessary must have come from somewhere (high school). Yes, a lot of the time there are people who just do the minimum to get by in college. However, professors are not as obsolete as you make them out to be. Even if you don't go to class they are there to answer questions, clarify things, actually give out new knowledge in things like office hours. And even if they are just there to get a degree, sometimes they have to get some information along the way. In given professions, even if you just do what you need to get your degree you'll be fucked if you didn't actually learn anything. In summary, although I agree that there a select few gems out there who just want a degree I do not necessary agree with that approach. And yes, there are people who actually want to learn something and hear what their professors have to say.

It's not like a professor's main job is to teach. They're there to publish (or perish) and then to get tenure from publishing enough.

[wroteurname]

It's not like a professor's main job is to teach. They're there to publish (or perish) and then to get tenure from publishing enough.
At some schools this is true. At other schools, professors are actually invested in their students. It also doesn't really have that much to do with the ongoing discussion.

[Villanova1L]

I definitely said that there are people who don't go to class regularly but that I don't agree with that. And about office hours, once again I dont blame a professor for not going out of their way to help someone who doesn't go to their class. The professors that take attendance at lectures do so to help their students who go, not to punish those don't. You have no reason to complain about getting a grade you didn't want if you didn't fulfill the attendance requirements. It's like not handing in an assignment. It was the first class you missed you say? Who doesn't go on the first day? That was probably the day they said attendance was required. Lectures are as important as the value the professor assigns them. Clearly they were important to this professor.

I'm hopeful you have better reading comprehension than this post demonstrates or all those kids are you might end up teaching are fucked. I decided last minute to do the business program. I had booked a vacation months before and informed all teachers/program administrators that I would be out of town. I missed TWO classes (of roughly 16) the first class (business school started a week earlier than the law school) because I was still in Utah for a family function and the second because I had an oral argument at the law school that could not be rescheduled and is/was required for graduation. He was notified of both of these before classes started.

I'd say if there is a day to skip it is the first day. Most of the time in undergrad its just a review of the syllabus, which anyone with half a brain doesn't need recited to them, and an intro to the course lecture that contains nothing of substance. Missing the first day of law classes would be different because typically professors give assignments ahead of time, so it isn't different than any other class. On the first day in this particular course we read the syllabus, were put into groups (already made by the prof), and did "getting to know you exercises." Don't feel like I missed much.

My issue was my participation grade (89/100). I participated in class by asking questions to groups (the bulk of our class time was group presentation), answering group questions, and answering the professors questions. When I asked why I only got 89/100 I was told he doesn't need to explain anything to me because he is the teacher and grades are given at his discretion.

Is your contention really that teachers should not be responsible for explaining why they gave a particular score? Do you also support when parents end conversations by saying "because I said so" or do you somehow differentiate the two?

[Villanova1L]

I definitely said that there are people who don't go to class regularly but that I don't agree with that. And about office hours, once again I dont blame a professor for not going out of their way to help someone who doesn't go to their class. The professors that take attendance at lectures do so to help their students who go, not to punish those don't. You have no reason to complain about getting a grade you didn't want if you didn't fulfill the attendance requirements. It's like not handing in an assignment. It was the first class you missed you say? Who doesn't go on the first day? That was probably the day they said attendance was required. Lectures are as important as the value the professor assigns them. Clearly they were important to this professor.

Also you ignored this the first go round, so could you answer it this time:
How are you "fucked" if you only get a degree? What profession, that doesn't require graduate school would I be fucked in? And who said I need to go to class to learn? If I do the work, but do not attend class then how would I be fucked? You still haven't explained the importance of sitting through lecture.

Thanks!

[perceptrons]

I don't know why anyone would go to school just to get a degree.

[Villanova1L]

I don't know why anyone would go to school just to get a degree.

Easier to get a job with a degree than just a high school diploma?

[surfwaxsideshow]

The funny thing is that your original post talks about a shitty situation that you're clearly getting the short end of the stick in, while just about everything else you've posted makes you sound like a complete douchebag. Take your B+ and shut up.

[perceptrons]

Easier to get a job with a degree than just a high school diploma?
I understand wanting a degree, but if you're going to be there for 4 years, might as well really dive into the topics that interest you.

[Villanova1L]

The funny thing is that your original post talks about a shitty situation that you're clearly getting the short end of the stick in, while just about everything else you've posted makes you sound like a complete douchebag. Take your B+ and shut up.

What have I said that makes me sound like a douchebag about this situation?

Please answer this too: Is your contention really that teachers should not be responsible for explaining why they gave a particular score? Do you also support when parents end conversations by saying "because I said so" or do you somehow differentiate the two?

[Villanova1L]

I understand wanting a degree, but if you're going to be there for 4 years, might as well really dive into the topics that interest you.

My basic contention is that college is a reason to party for 4 more years and get a degree for the bulk of people that go. Those that really immerse themselves are few and far between, but definitely better off.

[surfwaxsideshow]

What have I said that makes me sound like a douchebag about this situation?

Please answer this too: Is your contention really that teachers should not be responsible for explaining why they gave a particular score? Do you also support when parents end conversations by saying "because I said so" or do you somehow differentiate the two?

I don't think you're being a douchebag about the situation; you're definitely in the right as far as that guy goes. But it's just your whole above the education system shtick that makes you sound kind of like an asshole. You may not have intended it this way, but your other posts in the thread more or less say that going to class is for idiots and that professors are worthless. Which, in general, makes your original (reasonable) point seem less worthy of sympathy.

[Villanova1L]

I don't think you're being a douchebag about the situation; you're definitely in the right as far as that guy goes. But it's just your whole above the education system shtick that makes you sound kind of like an asshole. You may not have intended it this way, but your other posts in the thread more or less say that going to class is for idiots and that professors are worthless. Which, in general, makes your original (reasonable) point seem less worthy of sympathy.

I don't think I'm above education at all. I just think its wildly overpriced and the value is derived from completion not knowledge. You could fix this a number of ways, but as of now it is broken.

I do think that in general people who NEED lecture to understand the material go to class more often than those who don't. I think intelligence is part of this. I also think some very smart people are paying 10,000+ for a semester and feel its a waste to go to class. I went to college for free, so that didn't drive me. For me personally I gained little from the lectures I went to, so I stopped going for the most part.

I think professors do very little to add to the education that could be provided through just reading the material thoroughly. Some professors are engaging, others aren't, and on the whole I think there are much more of the former than latter.

I've yet to have someone tell me why either of those things is wrong.

[perceptrons]

For most classes, I learn most from my professors. In fact, most classes I rarely do anything but pay close attention to the professor. If I'm interested in other things, I look those up on the side, do research with the professor, or go to hang out in their office just to talk about something interesting.

If you think the professors do very little, you aren't doing something right.

[Villanova1L]

For most classes, I learn most from my professors. In fact, most classes I rarely do anything but pay close attention to the professor. If I'm interested in other things, I look those up on the side, do research with the professor, or go to hang out in their office just to talk about something interesting.

If you think the professors do very little, you aren't doing something right.

No I'm just not a kiss ass that needs to be babied information. I also don't research with professors or hang out in their office, I have interesting conversations with my friends, not professors.

I could also argue that you are disrespectful to the professor because all you're doing is listening to them, not doing the readings they suggest. I'm confused what I'm doing wrong. Maybe you could explain that to me.

[surfwaxsideshow]

I don't think I'm above education at all. I just think its wildly overpriced and the value is derived from completion not knowledge. You could fix this a number of ways, but as of now it is broken.

It is for people like you, who have their heads too far up their own asses to see that information not directly related to a degree and/or future job can be useful.


I do think that in general people who NEED lecture to understand the material go to class more often than those who don't. I think intelligence is part of this.

I do think that in general people who could care less about understanding the material go to class less frequently than those who do. I think that laziness is a part of this.


I also think some very smart people are paying 10,000+ for a semester and feel its a waste to go to class. I went to college for free, so that didn't drive me. For me personally I gained little from the lectures I went to, so I stopped going for the most part.

I think professors do very little to add to the education that could be provided through just reading the material thoroughly. Some professors are engaging, others aren't, and on the whole I think there are much more of the former than latter.

Then you probably should have gone somewhere else. In any case, if you can't see that a library can't teach you everything, then it's a hopeless argument.


I've yet to have someone tell me why either of those things is wrong.

Because you're asserting subjective opinion as fact. And your subjective opinion is pretty flawed.

The funny thing is that part of the value of a college education comes from the parts of it that make you grow up as a person. Sure looks like you missed that part.

[Villanova1L]

It is for people like you, who have their heads too far up their own asses to see that information not directly related to a degree and/or future job can be useful.

Hahaha. You know nothing about it. I see great value in education both gained inside a classroom and not used inside a classroom. I don't think the way to get that information is through professors/college.


I do think that in general people who could care less about understanding the material go to class less frequently than those who do. I think that laziness is a part of this.

You're putting forth the "subjective opinion" that people who skip class don't care about understanding or fail to understand the material. Pot --> Kettle.

Laziness? Who said ANY of these people are lazy. It takes a lot more work to read/learn on your own and get an A then to hang out with a prof and get one.

Then you probably should have gone somewhere else. In any case, if you can't see that a library can't teach you everything, then it's a hopeless argument.

I should have gone somewhere else? Where should I have gone? I didn't say a library could teach me everything, but it could certainly teach me enough to get an A in a college course.

Because you're asserting subjective opinion as fact. And your subjective opinion is pretty flawed.

See above. Also, I don't remember putting in my opinion as fact at any point. My opinions were pretty obvious and no one was responding to them, leading me to believe they were strong enough to be treated as fact.

The funny thing is that part of the value of a college education comes from the parts of it that make you grow up as a person. Sure looks like you missed that part.

I grew a lot as a person the two years I was in college. I'm growing everyday. Very little of that growth came from listening to my professor.

[wroteurname]

Also you ignored this the first go round, so could you answer it this time:
How are you "fucked" if you only get a degree? What profession, that doesn't require graduate school would I be fucked in? And who said I need to go to class to learn? If I do the work, but do not attend class then how would I be fucked? You still haven't explained the importance of sitting through lecture.

Thanks!
Here's the real question of the hour: If all you want is a degree does it ever met what grade you get?

[Villanova1L]

Here's the real question of the hour: If all you want is a degree does it ever met what grade you get?

Despite how retarded this sentence is I'll answer what I read it to mean.

Grades matter at a graduate level more than undergrad. I also stated I wasn't upset with my grade, but with his response to my question.

The real question is: Why is this the question of the hour? Why did you ignore what I wrote and infer I was upset with my grade?

[surfwaxsideshow]

I was merely pointing out that anyone can throw around bold generalizations like that and they don't mean anything. It's just funny that you don't see that you come across as a spoiled kid who got to go to college for free and didn't do anything to make it worth his time, and that anyone who did must be a brown-noser or less intelligent than you. I'm sure you earned your scholarship or whatever and it is telling that you could be an A student without going to class, but the fact that you could assume your opinion to be more or less factual because no one immediately questioned it says everything by itself.

[wroteurname]

And hopefully, if I do my job well enough none of my students will ever need a lawyer.

[wroteurname]

I was merely pointing out that anyone can throw around bold generalizations like that and they don't mean anything. It's just funny that you don't see that you come across as a spoiled kid who got to go to college for free and didn't do anything to make it worth his time, and that anyone who did must be a brown-noser or less intelligent than you. I'm sure you earned your scholarship or whatever and it is telling that you could be an A student without going to class, but the fact that you could assume your opinion to be more or less factual because no one immediately questioned it says everything by itself.
You basically summed it all up, thanks.

[Villanova1L]

And hopefully, if I do my job well enough none of my students will ever need a lawyer.

Yeah, having a student work in a high enough position within a company to be involved in merger or other business function would suck.

You probably won't have anyone who is a judge either, or lawyer, or doctor who happens to get sued. Also, if 50% of people are getting divorced odds are they will.

Hopefully you don't teach criminals, since that is apparently all you think lawyers do. (This makes you seem very uneducated)

[wroteurname]

Yeah, having a student work in a high enough position within a company to be involved in merger or other business function would suck.

You probably won't have anyone who is a judge either, or lawyer, or doctor who happens to get sued. Also, if 50% of people are getting divorced odds are they will.

Hopefully you don't teach criminals, since that is apparently all you think lawyers do. (This makes you seem very uneducated)
Well apparently you got where you are without any help from my kind so it's not like it matters. Hopefully I wont just lecture and have unfair attendance policies and offer insufficient answers to your bitching because obviously that is all you think teachers do.

[perceptrons]

No I'm just not a kiss ass that needs to be babied information. I also don't research with professors or hang out in their office, I have interesting conversations with my friends, not professors.

I could also argue that you are disrespectful to the professor because all you're doing is listening to them, not doing the readings they suggest. I'm confused what I'm doing wrong. Maybe you could explain that to me.
The first part of your post is just plain moronic. As far as the second part, you are choosing not to utilize the knowledge that your professors have on whatever topic, that is why you think they are useless. If you actually spent anytime talking with them you would realize that they are a great tool for a deeper understanding than whatever points the book decided to cover.

[wroteurname]

The first part of your post is just plain moronic. As far as the second part, you are choosing not to utilize the knowledge that your professors have on whatever topic, that is why you think they are useless. If you actually spent anytime talking with them you would realize that they are a great tool for a deeper understanding than whatever points the book decided to cover.
You're clearly missing the point of his argument. He's smarter and better than his professors. CAN'T YOU READ!?!?!?

[Ryan Mills]

At some schools this is true. At other schools, professors are actually invested in their students. It also doesn't really have that much to do with the ongoing discussion.

It was relevant to the discussion because you were discussing professors like their main concern is teaching students, and that fact is, that it's not.

[surfwaxsideshow]

It was relevant to the discussion because you were discussing professors like their main concern is teaching students, and that fact is, that it's not.

Absolute bullshit generalization.

Damn, some of you guys had awful school experiences.

[perceptrons]

If you went to a hardcore research school, and it was a science or math class, that can quite often be the case with some professors.

[wroteurname]

If you went to a hardcore research school, and it was a science or math class, that can quite often be the case with some professors.
At these schools classes are often taught by adjunct professors or TAs and they are in essence the teachers. I was talking about those giving the instruction and the lecture. If they're just researching and writing books they're not lecturing thus have nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[perceptrons]

At these schools classes are often taught by adjunct professors or TAs and they are in essence the teachers. I was talking about those giving the instruction and the lecture. If they're just researching and writing books they're not lecturing thus have nothing to do with what I was talking about.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just saying.

[wroteurname]

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just saying.
I know, I know. Just wanted to clear that up. That was mainly directed at Ryan Mills's post actually.

[quitmyscene]

At these schools classes are often taught by adjunct professors or TAs and they are in essence the teachers. I was talking about those giving the instruction and the lecture. If they're just researching and writing books they're not lecturing thus have nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Untrue. I'm going to BU for biomedical engineering, which is their "thing" (the major and being huge on research) and every single one of my classes is taught by a professor. However, most of my professors suck at teaching. My physics professor does quantum and atomic research, and it's essentially an intro class. Granted, when he goes on these tangents, he does usually begin or end them with "not that you need to know any of this stuff," but still. Last semester, many people skipped my calc lecture because the professor didn't seem to care about what he was doing in lecture and often made blatant mistakes. He would teach contradictory information and about 65% of each lecture was students correcting his work or asking him to reteach the previous day's lesson because the information was so different. Calc this semester is similar. Most people do not go to class because it's useless. You can't read her handwriting, even if you sit in the front row. She's an extremely intelligent woman and seems bored having to teach multivariate calculus. She refuses to clarify anything that she's teaching, but will spend time explaining why you use sin over cos somewhere when that has been taught and reinforced since middle school. She flat out tells people that she isn't going to explain how to do things and if you must know (which.. obviously, you do), research it in the book yourself. Consequently, hardly anyone goes to class. She'll go over examples but leave you questioning how she possibly ever got from A-->B. The people who go to class only go because they feel bad that nobody goes, well knowing that they're going to have to teach themselves everything on their own anyway.

Anyway, to answer the original post...
Same calculus professor I'm mentioning now. The class has about 120 people in it and I'd say no more than 30 show up on a given day, except the three that we have exams. The median of the last exam was a 90 - she made a point to tell us that we are her smartest class to date, as no one else has averaged that high... and then blew it by saying that since it was the average, that is a C+/B-. It's absolute bullshit to deflate grades like that just because you're butt hurt that nobody goes to your lectures and consequently (apparently) does better and learns more because of it. One of BU's big "warning signs" was that it's full of grade deflation, but I haven't heard of it anywhere aside from this particular class. I completely dismissed it as a stupid rumor after making it through freshman year, but I guess that was a poor decision.

[Ryan Mills]

Absolute bullshit generalization.

Damn, some of you guys had awful school experiences.

It's not a generalization and it's not BS. Unless you go to a bad school, your professors are expected to publish original research and they need to in order to advance. That doesn't mean that all of them are bad teachers, but the fact is probably none of them have had any teaching background in school, they just got their Ph.D. and became an associate professor, etc. I had some professors in undergrad that were quite good, but they were still concerned with their research. But there are a lot of professors that are bad teachers because they have no basis for teaching. An advanced degree does not make a good teacher.

[surfwaxsideshow]

It's not a generalization and it's not BS. Unless you go to a bad school, your professors are expected to publish original research and they need to in order to advance. That doesn't mean that all of them are bad teachers, but the fact is probably none of them have had any teaching background in school, they just got their Ph.D. and became an associate professor, etc. I had some professors in undergrad that were quite good, but they were still concerned with their research. But there are a lot of professors that are bad teachers because they have no basis for teaching. An advanced degree does not make a good teacher.

A school doesn't have to be a research university to be a good school.

[concernedparent]

I'm not sure I ever learned something from a professor I couldn't have learned from a book. Granted, I wouldn't have the motivation to just learn everything from a book, which is why professors are there. I assume.

[danielineffigy]

Do all the professors talked about in this thread neglect to give out a syllabus or talk about the class the first day? If there's a class where attendance is important to the professor I don't miss a single day, but in my enormous Algebra class I skipped a handful of days when the material wasn't new to me and had no issue.

If it's a case-by-case issue I would think that as a student you know what you can get away with in certain courses.

[RedWineSheets]

And hopefully, if I do my job well enough none of my students will ever need a lawyer.

:lol:

[Villanova1L]

Well apparently you got where you are without any help from my kind so it's not like it matters. Hopefully I wont just lecture and have unfair attendance policies and offer insufficient answers to your bitching because obviously that is all you think teachers do.

I hope so too.

[Villanova1L]

The first part of your post is just plain moronic. As far as the second part, you are choosing not to utilize the knowledge that your professors have on whatever topic, that is why you think they are useless. If you actually spent anytime talking with them you would realize that they are a great tool for a deeper understanding than whatever points the book decided to cover.

My first part was directed at a person who said all they do is listen to lecture, hang out and chat with the prof. I as referencing him as a kiss ass who needs to be babied information.

I have utilized a lot of knowledge from my professors. I don't know where you read I don't attend class. I missed 2 classes from this prof and I go to 90+% of my law school/business school classes. I don't need to talk to them because those people GENERALLY are kiss asses who I fucking despise. Anyone who has been to law school is familiar with the "gunner" mentality that monopolizes office hours of professors and basically blows them after every class. I hate those people and I will never be one.

In UNDERGRAD I feel that professors with tenure are just going through the motions. I have many friends, who went to schools as prestigious as Yale and as average as their state university, who said the same exact thing. The people in this post (mainly the 120 person math class with a 90+ as the average score) shows that professors for a class like that are wildly unnecessary. That was my point about teachers being of little value.

Finally, this was about ONE class and the fact the teacher felt he was above explaining his reasoning. That is what upset me, and still does upset me. I don't feel the need to respect people like that, since they clearly don't respect me.

[Villanova1L]

Do all the professors talked about in this thread neglect to give out a syllabus or talk about the class the first day? If there's a class where attendance is important to the professor I don't miss a single day, but in my enormous Algebra class I skipped a handful of days when the material wasn't new to me and had no issue.

If it's a case-by-case issue I would think that as a student you know what you can get away with in certain courses.

This particular class said there were 100 points total for participation. I went to all but 2 classes and contributed every class I went to and ended up with an 89/100. I asked why I got an 89 and he basically said he doesn't need to debate my grade with me because its subjective. That is what prompted the post.

There are requirements for attendance through the ABA for law school, but other than that very little/if any weight is given to attendance/participation.

[Villanova1L]

It's not a generalization and it's not BS. Unless you go to a bad school, your professors are expected to publish original research and they need to in order to advance. That doesn't mean that all of them are bad teachers, but the fact is probably none of them have had any teaching background in school, they just got their Ph.D. and became an associate professor, etc. I had some professors in undergrad that were quite good, but they were still concerned with their research. But there are a lot of professors that are bad teachers because they have no basis for teaching. An advanced degree does not make a good teacher.

This.

My teachers were all far more interested in writing/research than teaching a comparative politics class. People, generally, are self interested and doing research will get you tenure whereas having a rapport with your students gets you favorable reviews, which has VERY little to do with pay/tenure (despite what people try and say.)

[Villanova1L]

A school doesn't have to be a research university to be a good school.

You read his whole post and this is your takeaway?

Obviously there are schools/professors who are only concerned with teaching. His point, which is a good one, is that the teachers with the most education in a subject (which is important for us to learn from them from everything else you have said) are publishing research on that subject and haven't learned to be teachers. They are highly intelligent, but lack training in teaching. That's what he's saying and on the whole he's correct.

Where did/do you go to college? I'm not asking this to attack your school, but I am curious. In fairness I'll tell you where I went first to show you I have very little room to brag.

I went to the University of Utah in their Political Science department.

[saysmydoctor]

Well, this hasn't happened yet but if it does I'm going to be fucking pissed off. I'm currently in an extremely tough C++ programming class where he doesn't curve and the class average is a 60%. However, I've been trying really hard and have a 102% (got everything plus a little extra credit). This took a lot of effort. However, he has a policy about the final where a 70% or less on the final means you got a C- or worse in the class. It was the hardest final I've ever taken in my life and am almost positive I got less than a 70%. Which means I'm going to have to retake a class I've mastered and probably had the highest grade in the class in, just because of one insanely difficult test.

The main reason this is such a big deal is because I'm trying to transfer to UCLA. A C- will prevent me from getting into UCLA, because I won't be able to satisfy their prerequisites, and I'm a fucking computer science major. Some fuckin bullshit man fuck.
I always hated this stupid policy.
You're lucky. I'm in teacher ed and I'd never write a letter of recommendation for someone who is playin xbox rather than going to my class.
*too
Was it law school you said you were going to? Much more noble than teaching.
You're playing the part of the prick who doesn't know what he is talking about, but goes to school, studying for a degree related to the topic at hand so he think does, right? Cool.

[wroteurname]

I always hated this stupid policy.



You're playing the part of the prick who doesn't know what he is talking about, but goes to school, studying for a degree related to the topic at hand so he think does, right? Cool.
*thinks

[saysmydoctor]

*thinks
We would have accepted 'yes' and only 'yes.'

[wroteurname]

I'd rather play that role than the kid who starts a thread looking for sympathy from the masses and flips out when someone's not on his junk.

[saysmydoctor]

I'd rather play that role than the kid who starts a thread looking for sympathy from the masses and flips out when someone's not on his junk.
You'd rather play the roll of the guy who doesn't know what he is talking about and provides an asinine, contrarian opinion just to be edgy? Sounds awesome dude.

He should be graded based on his hold on the material. Nothing else.

[Villanova1L]

I'd rather play that role than the kid who starts a thread looking for sympathy from the masses and flips out when someone's not on his junk.

Who said I was looking for anyone's sympathy? I was upset a teacher blew me off, so I made a post about it to see what people think of asshole professors. I wasn't looking for someone to tell me it would all be ok. I wasn't hoping someone would feel bad for me getting a B+.

I'm thinking you don't understand what sympathy means.

[Villanova1L]

You'd rather play the roll of the guy who doesn't know what he is talking about and provides an asinine, contrarian opinion just to be edgy? Sounds awesome dude.

He should be graded based on his hold on the material. Nothing else.

I agree, but even if he has some points for attendance/participation I should be told why I lost points.

[jimjam32]

for my sociology class my professor scheduled the 3rd exam, and final exam at the same time/finals week. She posted the 3rd exam on last thursday. You'd think if it was posted that close to finals week it'd be due when finals are due. in class on thursday (12/10) she posted that it was available on 12/10 at 4pm I signed up for a testing lab to take both tests at 11:45 tomorrow (12/16). turns out exam 3 was due at noon today. e-mailed her and she hasn't gotten back to me yet.

luckily out of 4 exams, the lowest one gets dropped. If i get a 42/50 on my final exam it replaces the 0 and i'll get an 80%. I have a 3.3 so I REALLY want that B.

not as much as a nightmare as it was when i first checked my grade and saw 66%. glad I remembered I can take my final and replace that exam

[jimjam32]

also -- when i was going to a community college i had to take a speech class. Our teacher was extremely strict on her attendance policy for obvious reasons. Her rule was "theres no excuse to miss class unless you're in the hospital or direct family member passes away." One night before class (I wasn't scheduled to even do a speech) I came down with a fever of 103, and actually went to the hospital. I had the hospital give me a form saying why i was not allowed in class. A form from the fucking emergency room was not good enough for her. I got a B+ and was 10 points away from having an A-. guess how many points I lost for missing class that day? Yep, 10 points

most angry i've ever been at any teacher. I went to the dean and he said "there's nothing I can do"

yeah that fucking sucked.

[Ryan Mills]

also -- when i was going to a community college i had to take a speech class. Our teacher was extremely strict on her attendance policy for obvious reasons. Her rule was "theres no excuse to miss class unless you're in the hospital or direct family member passes away." One night before class (I wasn't scheduled to even do a speech) I came down with a fever of 103, and actually went to the hospital. I had the hospital give me a form saying why i was not allowed in class. A form from the fucking emergency room was not good enough for her. I got a B+ and was 10 points away from having an A-. guess how many points I lost for missing class that day? Yep, 10 points

most angry i've ever been at any teacher. I went to the dean and he said "there's nothing I can do"

yeah that fucking sucked.

That's pretty weak. What the dean really meant to say was, "I don't feel like doing anything to take care of it."

[Villanova1L]

also -- when i was going to a community college i had to take a speech class. Our teacher was extremely strict on her attendance policy for obvious reasons. Her rule was "theres no excuse to miss class unless you're in the hospital or direct family member passes away." One night before class (I wasn't scheduled to even do a speech) I came down with a fever of 103, and actually went to the hospital. I had the hospital give me a form saying why i was not allowed in class. A form from the fucking emergency room was not good enough for her. I got a B+ and was 10 points away from having an A-. guess how many points I lost for missing class that day? Yep, 10 points

most angry i've ever been at any teacher. I went to the dean and he said "there's nothing I can do"

yeah that fucking sucked.

Some people in this thread would say you should have gone anyway to respect your teacher.

Those people would be idiots. Sorry for that shitty situation man.

[takeiteasy_]

Some people in this thread would say you should have gone anyway to respect your teacher.

Those people would be idiots. Sorry for that shitty situation man.

Do you go to Villanova?

[Villanova1L]

Do you go to Villanova?

Yup

[wroteurname]

I've heard a lot of stories about asshole professors at Temple. Rumor has it their professors are almost as bad as their basketball team.

[Villanova1L]

I've heard a lot of stories about asshole professors at Temple. Rumor has it their professors are almost as bad as their basketball team.

Temple doesn't have the luxury of paying all their players and having a sleaze ball like Jim Calhoun as their coach.

[wroteurname]

Temple doesn't have the luxury of paying all their players and having a sleaze ball like Jim Calhoun as their coach.
Cause I go to UConn, right.

[Villanova1L]

Cause I go to UConn, right.

And I go to Temple?

Where do you go?

[wroteurname]

And I go to Temple?

Where do you go?
No, you go to the school with the supposed best team in the Big East that lost to Temple. I go to Eastern Connecticut State University in Willimantic, CT. It's about 15 minutes south of UConn along Rt. 195. I could have to gone to UConn or a lot of other larger schools but I went to Eastern instead because I didn't I want to a faceless nameless blip on my professor's radar. I've never been in a class of more than 30 people and have developed a good rapport with all my professors not by sucking up but just by doing what was asked of me as the student in the student-teacher relationship. Hopefully that will help you understand where I'm coming from in this little tift. Honestly, yes you're professor in this case sounds like a prick and he should have been more understanding or given you an explanation or whatever. I was just giving my opinion that a lot of professors feel disrepected by students who don't show up to their class. I was not expecting this whole 3 day battle to come of it. I'm sorry about your situation and my pigheadedness.

[takeiteasy_]

Yup

Oh, that's awesome! I live right across the street off of lowrys lane. Also I work at the CVS down the street in rosemont :)

[perceptrons]

My first part was directed at a person who said all they do is listen to lecture, hang out and chat with the prof. I as referencing him as a kiss ass who needs to be babied information.

And again, it's just as moronic. Remembering things from lecture well is being babied information? Having discussions with professors outside of class is being a kiss ass? Is it honestly odd to you that one can have a conversation with a professor just because they enjoy the conversation? Maybe the professors I've had are just more open to chat, but I assume they aren't too different from your average professor.


I have utilized a lot of knowledge from my professors. I don't know where you read I don't attend class. I missed 2 classes from this prof and I go to 90+% of my law school/business school classes. I don't need to talk to them because those people GENERALLY are kiss asses who I fucking despise. Anyone who has been to law school is familiar with the "gunner" mentality that monopolizes office hours of professors and basically blows them after every class. I hate those people and I will never be one.

In UNDERGRAD I feel that professors with tenure are just going through the motions. I have many friends, who went to schools as prestigious as Yale and as average as their state university, who said the same exact thing. The people in this post (mainly the 120 person math class with a 90+ as the average score) shows that professors for a class like that are wildly unnecessary. That was my point about teachers being of little value.

Finally, this was about ONE class and the fact the teacher felt he was above explaining his reasoning. That is what upset me, and still does upset me. I don't feel the need to respect people like that, since they clearly don't respect me.
I didn't say you didn't attend class, I said if you think professors aren't worth much, you aren't utilizing them as a resource.

I didn't come into the discussion against you, nor do I think the professor was in the right, I just felt your characterization of professors was unfair.

[Villanova1L]

No, you go to the school with the supposed best team in the Big East that lost to Temple. I go to Eastern Connecticut State University in Willimantic, CT. It's about 15 minutes south of UConn along Rt. 195. I could have to gone to UConn or a lot of other larger schools but I went to Eastern instead because I didn't I want to a faceless nameless blip on my professor's radar. I've never been in a class of more than 30 people and have developed a good rapport with all my professors not by sucking up but just by doing what was asked of me as the student in the student-teacher relationship. Hopefully that will help you understand where I'm coming from in this little tift. Honestly, yes you're professor in this case sounds like a prick and he should have been more understanding or given you an explanation or whatever. I was just giving my opinion that a lot of professors feel disrepected by students who don't show up to their class. I was not expecting this whole 3 day battle to come of it. I'm sorry about your situation and my pigheadedness.

Nova is still the best team in the Big East, but I'm not a huge fan.

LMAO. Defend that school choice to the death. Sound a little insecure in the decision.

I never questioned your bias in this conversation. Similarly I missed his class twice, once for a prior engagement and another time for another academic requirement that couldn't be rescheduled.

[Villanova1L]

And again, it's just as moronic. Remembering things from lecture well is being babied information? Having discussions with professors outside of class is being a kiss ass? Is it honestly odd to you that one can have a conversation with a professor just because they enjoy the conversation? Maybe the professors I've had are just more open to chat, but I assume they aren't too different from your average professor.


I didn't say you didn't attend class, I said if you think professors aren't worth much, you aren't utilizing them as a resource.

I didn't come into the discussion against you, nor do I think the professor was in the right, I just felt your characterization of professors was unfair.

I do think that going to office hours just to chat is a little odd. I've had plenty of good conversation with professors DURING lecture. Similarly understanding lecture isn't being babied information, but choosing to do that instead of reading is just as "disrespectful" as not attending class.

I don't think professors are worth as much as others in this thread to. I've used the shit out of my professors (even the teachers whose classes I skipped). What did I say that was unfair?

[Villanova1L]

Oh, that's awesome! I live right across the street off of lowrys lane. Also I work at the CVS down the street in rosemont :)

I've probably seen you in CVS then because I live really near by.

[takeiteasy_]

I've probably seen you in CVS then because I live really near by.

Crazy!

[perceptrons]

I do think that going to office hours just to chat is a little odd. I've had plenty of good conversation with professors DURING lecture. Similarly understanding lecture isn't being babied information, but choosing to do that instead of reading is just as "disrespectful" as not attending class.

I don't think professors are worth as much as others in this thread to. I've used the shit out of my professors (even the teachers whose classes I skipped). What did I say that was unfair?
I don't go just during office hours (in fact, I usually don't), I've had a fair number of professors where I'll just stop by if I'm by their office and they're not busy. I believe I said in the beginning (I could be mistaken), it's not that I only listen to lecture, that's just my main source. If I want to dive deeper into a certain topic, I go and find where to read more on it, or strike up a conversation about it with the professor. The book is a supplement.

The overall characterization you gave of professors I think is completely biased to your experiences, and you come across as "against" professors, even if that was not your intention. Perhaps it's a difference in fields.

[wroteurname]

I don't go just during office hours (in fact, I usually don't), I've had a fair number of professors where I'll just stop by if I'm by their office and they're not busy. I believe I said in the beginning (I could be mistaken), it's not that I only listen to lecture, that's just my main source. If I want to dive deeper into a certain topic, I go and find where to read more on it, or strike up a conversation about it with the professor. The book is a supplement.

The overall characterization you gave of professors I think is completely biased to your experiences, and you come across as "against" professors, even if that was not your intention. Perhaps it's a difference in fields.
That's how I've always been to. I use the book if I think I missed something in the lecture not the other way around.

[Mitch]

Luckily I have yet to have an unreasonable professor (although in my PR class I got a 2 out of 15 for participation this semester, haha...still ended up with an A in the class though).

[Villanova1L]

Luckily I have yet to have an unreasonable professor (although in my PR class I got a 2 out of 15 for participation this semester, haha...still ended up with an A in the class though).

That's lucky, hope that luck continues for you.

[Villanova1L]

That's how I've always been to. I use the book if I think I missed something in the lecture not the other way around.

The all the material required should be in the book.

By only listening to lecture you are learning less because your'e assuming the professor is just going to test on what they've lectured about. Hardly seems to back up the notion of getting the most out of your education.

[wroteurname]

The all the material required should be in the book.

By only listening to lecture you are learning less because your'e assuming the professor is just going to test on what they've lectured about. Hardly seems to back up the notion of getting the most out of your education.
Hey the dead horse called, wants to know they fuck you're still beating him.

[Villanova1L]

Hey the dead horse called, wants to know they fuck you're still beating him.

I point out hypocrisy at any and all occasions.

[Spenny]

Forgot my iClicker at home one day, so I lost 1% of my overall mark for not being able to do the iClicker quiz for that day's lecture. I missed an A by 0.4% and you aren't rounded up in university.

[fishguts182]

Forgot my iClicker at home one day, so I lost 1% of my overall mark for not being able to do the iClicker quiz for that day's lecture. I missed an A by 0.4% and you aren't rounded up in university.

i hate those damn iclickers. I would always forget mine when I went to class and lost a ton of point for it in my physics class

[thursday727]

I'll remember this forever.
I was in third grade and we were learning science. I forget how it came up but i told my 3rd grade teacher (who was an asian girl right out of college) that human beings were techically animals and she was appauled, i remember her saying "trees are alive and they're not animals"

[cavanaughpark09]

Skipping class depends so much on so many things. I went to a small liberal arts school where my biggest class was probably thirty people. Thus it would clearly be a lot harder to skip class there than it would be for my friends who went to UMASS Amhearst (which has its own zip code and crazy class sizes).

Sure, I don't really see a huge point in skipping class, but I totally skipped most of my classes at least once or twice. It depended largely on a) what the professor said about attendance at the beginning of the semester; b)what time of day the class was; and c) how important I felt it was to my degree.

I had some professors who honestly would not allow you to skip class. One of them failed my friend and he ended up not graduating because of it. I think I skipped the class once but told her (in person) way ahead of time and handed a paper in early.

I definitely skipped my MWF 8:30s fairly often. The one I ended up skipping the most was a gen ed where the professor was really lenient and one of my friends always gave me her notes. I also had an early history (my major class) where the teacher legitimately just talked about the reading we had done for the class. Even when I did go to that class I think I was typically sleeping through it and working on other things.

I also think I skipped my gen eds a lot more than my history, english and education classes. Those were the things I wanted to take classes in so I actually enjoyed attending them for the most part. Sorry, classes like anthropology, philosophy, Bible, and weather really didn't hold my attention that much.

Also, I felt kind of screwed by my prof my last semester where my student teaching counted 4 times. I ended up with a 3.494 overall GPA. Seriously, one A would have given me a 3.5.

[Two Headed Girl]

Oh, this thread.

[xshitsweakx]

I slept through my alarm and missed my final and went down a whole letter grade. Damn, marketing teacher.

.....alright, alright, I blame myself for that.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I got a 92.94 in Bio last semester. 93 and up was an A. I got an A-. Fuck you

[Darkpunk.223]

Um... fuck you.

I ended up with a B+ in one of my business classes because I got a 89 in participation. I e-mailed the professor asking why. His response was: "You missed the first class. I'm not interested in debating your grade as it is subjective and is always at the discretion of the professor."

What a crock of shit answer. I missed 1 class (I was admitted to the program late and was scheduled to be out of the state for a family function in Utah). What a fucking joke. I missed an A- by 4 points of a possible 600.

Douche.

Share your upsetting moments from professors.
Dude that's fucking insane and it's super frustrating that you can't just bitch to your administrator until your grade was changed like in high school

[Kyle Garchar]

This is stupid. I MISSED CLASS AND IM MAD I GOT A BAD GRADE BECAUSE OF MISSING. This isn't fucking high school, it's college.

[12!21fightchoke]

Intro classes suck major balls. The only reason I'm taking them is for prerequisites. I feel like I know at least 70% of the material. I figure I'll go to the lectures every once in a while, and just attend the recitations/labs all while keeping up with the readings in the syllabus. That is, aside from my one lecture class where my professor randomly takes attendance.

[Spenny]

Some of the posters on the first page definitely deserved to not get it. You missed class, it's all on you, so stop acting so entitled.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Some of the posters on the first page definitely deserved to not get it. You missed class, it's all on you, so stop acting so entitled.
High school: Taxpayers pay money so that teachers get salaries, children are educated with no cost to them, and teachers can lose their jobs based on student performance, therefore it's justified that attendance is mandatory.

College: Students pay their tuition, either out of pocket or through loans. Professors are paid whether we fail or not. It's our money, we should be able to choose how often we show up. It's the real world, it should be the choice of the student.

[Spenny]

High school: Taxpayers pay money so that teachers get salaries, children are educated with no cost to them, and teachers can lose their jobs based on student performance, therefore it's justified that attendance is mandatory.

College: Students pay their tuition, either out of pocket or through loans. Professors are paid whether we fail or not. It's our money, we should be able to choose how often we show up. It's the real world, it should be the choice of the student.
Of course it is your choice in college to attend or not, but those that bitch about losing letter grades for not attending are crazy. Tutorials and seminars are heavily based around attending and participating in class discussions, so of course skipping it will cause your marks to fall.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Of course it is your choice in college to attend or not, but those that bitch about losing letter grades for not attending are crazy. Tutorials and seminars are heavily based around attending and participating in class discussions, so of course skipping it will cause your marks to fall.
I actually sympathize with the first post in the thread. NO FUCKING WAY should you be penalized for missing the very first class of the semester. It's still add/drop period. I'm in my 5th (LOL!) year now, 8th semester, and I've picked up a class late at least 4 times, usually because I needed it and was locked out due those with higher standing (juniors, seniors, etc) before I even had a chance to register

[SLoT]

College: Students pay their tuition, either out of pocket or through loans. Professors are paid whether we fail or not. It's our money, we should be able to choose how often we show up. It's the real world, it should be the choice of the student.
You do realize that professors have a job to do right. They don't just get paid for being professors. You applied to go to that specific school, they approved your admission on the grounds that you attend class, pay tuition, and hopefully graduate giving the college an overall higher number of graduates which makes the school look better. They don't want kids attending that won't go, that won't pass, and make the school look bad, this should be common knowledge. Your choice to not go to class and reasoning behind why it should be your decision "because it's the real world" is one of the most ignorant and idiotic things I've seen on this site in a while. Make sure when you graduate to tell your boss at your "real" job that the reason you won't be adhering to the set schedule given to you is that "it's the real world, you didn't have to, and what the fuck does he care, he's getting paid regardless whether you're there or not."

Of course it is your choice in college to attend or not, but those that bitch about losing letter grades for not attending are crazy. Tutorials and seminars are heavily based around attending and participating in class discussions, so of course skipping it will cause your marks to fall.
Obviously students have the overall say whether they will actually attend class, but you're right, those that bitch about being handed repercussions for their actions are ridiculous.

I actually sympathize with the first post in the thread. NO FUCKING WAY should you be penalized for missing the very first class of the semester. It's still add/drop period. I'm in my 5th (LOL!) year now, 8th semester, and I've picked up a class late at least 4 times, usually because I needed it and was locked out due those with higher standing (juniors, seniors, etc) before I even had a chance to register
The first post in this thread is a little awkward. Given all the pieces are there in the story and that he's telling the truth it sounds unfair. He wasn't even in town, had let the professor know prior to the class, etc. The only problem with this is the chain of events... he enrolled in the class late, but let the teacher know prior to the class that he was going to be out of town? Wouldn't he have signed up for the class when he emailed the teacher before the class took place. If he let the teacher know before class, which was class #1, then he knew he'd be in the class, and should've signed up for it, leaving the only questionable piece of information up for debate "he was out of town."

Seeing as professor's do have the ultimate say in their class in what determines correct answers, attendance policies, etc. Then the teacher obviously had rules about attendance "100%, aka perfect, would be complete attendance and worthy of all points designated to this portion of the grade" He missed a class, regardless of reason, therefore his attendance was not 100% and he did not receive all points designated. The student's just bitching because he was close to an A-. If he'd received a 93% for the class and the A- we wouldn't have seen him in here bitching about why he didn't get a perfect A+, because he wouldn't even be close 93-100 leaves 7% to make up for. What he should've been thinking about is that if he'd done a little better on all the assignments he might've gotten that A- and the attendance wouldn't have been an issue.

Ultimately, getting back to your logic though, if it's the real world and it's his decision, isn't it the same real world the professor lives in where he gets to say what gets a perfect grade for attendance. Not to mention that it is indeed the real world, the only thing you have to realize is this, you can do anything you want... you just have to pay the consequences (if there are any to pay). In this case, there were consequences.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

You do realize that professors have a job to do right. They don't just get paid for being professors. You applied to go to that specific school, they approved your admission on the grounds that you attend class, pay tuition, and hopefully graduate giving the college an overall higher number of graduates which makes the school look better. They don't want kids attending that won't go, that won't pass, and make the school look bad, this should be common knowledge. Your choice to not go to class and reasoning behind why it should be your decision "because it's the real world" is one of the most ignorant and idiotic things I've seen on this site in a while. Make sure when you graduate to tell your boss at your "real" job that the reason you won't be adhering to the set schedule given to you is that "it's the real world, you didn't have to, and what the fuck does he care, he's getting paid regardless whether you're there or not."


Obviously students have the overall say whether they will actually attend class, but you're right, those that bitch about being handed repercussions for their actions are ridiculous.


The first post in this thread is a little awkward. Given all the pieces are there in the story and that he's telling the truth it sounds unfair. He wasn't even in town, had let the professor know prior to the class, etc. The only problem with this is the chain of events... he enrolled in the class late, but let the teacher know prior to the class that he was going to be out of town? Wouldn't he have signed up for the class when he emailed the teacher before the class took place. If he let the teacher know before class, which was class #1, then he knew he'd be in the class, and should've signed up for it, leaving the only questionable piece of information up for debate "he was out of town."

Seeing as professor's do have the ultimate say in their class in what determines correct answers, attendance policies, etc. Then the teacher obviously had rules about attendance "100%, aka perfect, would be complete attendance and worthy of all points designated to this portion of the grade" He missed a class, regardless of reason, therefore his attendance was not 100% and he did not receive all points designated. The student's just bitching because he was close to an A-. If he'd received a 93% for the class and the A- we wouldn't have seen him in here bitching about why he didn't get a perfect A+, because he wouldn't even be close 93-100 leaves 7% to make up for. What he should've been thinking about is that if he'd done a little better on all the assignments he might've gotten that A- and the attendance wouldn't have been an issue.

Ultimately, getting back to your logic though, if it's the real world and it's his decision, isn't it the same real world the professor lives in where he gets to say what gets a perfect grade for attendance. Not to mention that it is indeed the real world, the only thing you have to realize is this, you can do anything you want... you just have to pay the consequences (if there are any to pay). In this case, there were consequences.
College is not the real world. College is a place where you further your education while administrators sit in their cozy air conditioned offices making HUGE amounts of money to do...not very much. It's a business. I would be very surprised if a lot of institutions care about their graduate rate. Why would they? As long as they get your tuition they're still profiting, and you can't tell me they are in it for anything else. Colleges and universities are a BUSINESS. It's why private schools can stretch your asshole to gorilla-fist diameter by making you pay $35,000...before fees or dorming.

[sarahsarahsarah]

Shouldn't have mentioned your Mormon views to him.

I just almost cried I was laughing at this so hard. Just wanted to let you know.

[SLoT]

High school: Taxpayers pay money so that teachers get salaries, children are educated with no cost to them, and teachers can lose their jobs based on student performance, therefore it's justified that attendance is mandatory.

College: Students pay their tuition, either out of pocket or through loans. Professors are paid whether we fail or not. It's our money, we should be able to choose how often we show up. It's the real world, it should be the choice of the student.

College is not the real world. College is a place where you further your education while administrators sit in their cozy air conditioned offices making HUGE amounts of money to do...not very much. It's a business. I would be very surprised if a lot of institutions care about their graduate rate. Why would they? As long as they get your tuition they're still profiting, and you can't tell me they are in it for anything else. Colleges and universities are a BUSINESS. It's why private schools can stretch your asshole to gorilla-fist diameter by making you pay $35,000...before fees or dorming.
Well, you've contradicted yourself then.

Carrying on though, you're right college is for furthering your education (general education classes), but you left out that it's also specifically detailed to what you're (supposed) to end up doing for a career when you graduate. I know a lot of people who don't use there degrees, it's common knowledge, but regardless, this is the sole purpose of college. Do you personally know administrators that are on the board? Furthermore, do you know administrators that sit on the board, personally? Most likely no, unless you're related to one. Why would colleges care about their graduate rate? Reputation garners more students, which brings that money you keep mentioning to pay for an even bigger cushy office chair for them to sit in. It also effects the economy. Less graduates means lower wages to a certain extent, therefore causing economic issues. Adding to that, if colleges are businesses, wouldn't they be failing if they had less graduates?

Private schools are for higher and more direct education. You're telling me kids that go to private school don't get more attention than kids who go to public schools. Where do you live? If it's the suburbs then you're not going to notice much of a difference, but pluck a kid out of Harlem who goes to PS whatever and throw him in a private school in your suburb and he'll tell you the difference in his education. I guarantee that. How do you not see that you have to pay for a better education? Just like you have to pay for a better car. You get what you pay for... does that ring a bell? The institution of higher learning is solid, it's the students who fuck that up.

[deFobbed14yrs]

AHHHHHh

I was 3 minutes late to class and my professor gave me a 0 on the paper i had to hand in that day. It's like one of 3 assignments for the semester.
And he gave a quiz on the "reading" which turned out he said describe names that weren't in the reading, and apparently one of them was the author of the Narnia books

[<*)))><]

I think my professor gave my group a B because we have a crippled person in my group. We deserved an F, love it

[Kyle Garchar]

Of course it is your choice in college to attend or not, but those that bitch about losing letter grades for not attending are crazy. Tutorials and seminars are heavily based around attending and participating in class discussions, so of course skipping it will cause your marks to fall.Seriously. Kids our age feel so fucking entitled to everything.

I actually sympathize with the first post in the thread. NO FUCKING WAY should you be penalized for missing the very first class of the semester. It's still add/drop period. I'm in my 5th (LOL!) year now, 8th semester, and I've picked up a class late at least 4 times, usually because I needed it and was locked out due those with higher standing (juniors, seniors, etc) before I even had a chance to registerYou know what professors do if you're registered and you miss the first class? They drop you from the class.

College is not the real world. College is a place where you further your education while administrators sit in their cozy air conditioned offices making HUGE amounts of money to do...not very much. It's a business. I would be very surprised if a lot of institutions care about their graduate rate. Why would they? As long as they get your tuition they're still profiting, and you can't tell me they are in it for anything else. Colleges and universities are a BUSINESS. It's why private schools can stretch your asshole to gorilla-fist diameter by making you pay $35,000...before fees or dorming.Are you fucking retarded? I go to a public university, and I can guarantee that HUGE amounts of money aren't being made here. Half of the classes taught here are by grad students making little to no money for the class, but their education is getting paid for because of it. These people aren't just sitting around. Your logic is partially flawed, my friend. If you applied this to for profit universities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_for-profit_universities_and_colleges), then I would agree. Get your head out of your ass and do some fucking research. Maybe a small percentage of admins at a university may do that, and you could have ran into a few of these people, but quit throwing out ridiculous generalizations like that.

[Kyle Garchar]

Private schools are for higher and more direct education. You're telling me kids that go to private school don't get more attention than kids who go to public schools. Where do you live? If it's the suburbs then you're not going to notice much of a difference, but pluck a kid out of Harlem who goes to PS whatever and throw him in a private school in your suburb and he'll tell you the difference in his education. I guarantee that. How do you not see that you have to pay for a better education? Just like you have to pay for a better car. You get what you pay for... does that ring a bell? The institution of higher learning is solid, it's the students who fuck that up.This is absolutely true. My girlfriend went to school at (private) DePaul University in Chicago last year, but she had to transfer to (public) Ohio University due to economic reasons. While she said OU isn't particularly harder, her grades have gone down from a 3.88 to a 3.75. Some would say this isn't a big deal, but she says it's completely due to the fact that her classes were typically 25-35 people at DPU, and now she's in classes with 60-160 at OU. The attention is concentrated much more on the students, and she said every one of her teachers knew her personally.

The amount of kids I know that feel like everything is just going to be handed to them is fucking ridiculous. If you want to skate by in college and get all the teachers that don't particularly care about attendance or due dates, check ratemyprofessor for the easiest teacher and graduate with a fine arts or marketing degree.

And to the kid that was 3 minutes late to class and got a 0, I can GUARANTEE that your prof specifically stated on the syllabus that you're expected to be on time.

[Spenny]

This is absolutely true. My girlfriend went to school at (private) DePaul University in Chicago last year, but she had to transfer to (public) Ohio University due to economic reasons. While she said OU isn't particularly harder, her grades have gone down from a 3.88 to a 3.75. Some would say this isn't a big deal, but she says it's completely due to the fact that her classes were typically 25-35 people at DPU, and now she's in classes with 60-160 at OU. The attention is concentrated much more on the students, and she said every one of her teachers knew her personally.

The amount of kids I know that feel like everything is just going to be handed to them is fucking ridiculous. If you want to skate by in college and get all the teachers that don't particularly care about attendance or due dates, check ratemyprofessor for the easiest teacher and graduate with a fine arts or marketing degree.

And to the kid that was 3 minutes late to class and got a 0, I can GUARANTEE that your prof specifically stated on the syllabus that you're expected to be on time.
Yeah, it angers me that people complain about such high GPAs personally. I also go to a public university (SFU in British Columbia), and it's hard to get individual attention in classes of this size. This term two of my classes have 300 people at the main campus, and then the other two at the newer campus with less enrollment are 150 and 120. My largest class was last fall, which had 450 students.

That's life though. My CGPA is 3.50, and most people I know are quite jealous of that because it's a lot harder at a public school. Profs often have to teach more classes than they possibly can handle while also continuing their research and writing, and then to fill the gaps they occasionally have to get inexperience sessional profs, with which it is often harder to score well. My GPA is also affect by curved classes, but that's life when you're in Business. It's all about how you do in relation to the rest of the class, which can either help you a lot or screw you over.

With private schools, I feel like it's almost like you're paying more to not only get a better education, but also to get better grades, because higher tuition = lower class sizes and more faculty.

[Kyle Garchar]

With private schools, I feel like it's almost like you're paying more to not only get a better education, but also to get better grades, because higher tuition = lower class sizes and more faculty.You're paying for a better education. Better education means you're learning more which ultimately means...

BINGO

You get better grades. It's how things work.

[SgtSmegma]

You're paying for a better education. Better education means you're learning more which ultimately means...

BINGO

You get better grades. It's how things work.

uhhh...what?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

You're paying for a better education. Better education means you're learning more which ultimately means...

BINGO

You get better grades. It's how things work.
I'm quite sure that with all the places I have attended, I know a little bit about how the education system (public vs. private) works. I've attended a private Catholic 4 year university, a community college and now a public 4 year institution. I've yet to have A) a grad student teaching me, except in my Freshman "seminar" at the private school or B) A professor who seems like they give a flying fuck about any of their students, save for "EDU" classes.

I've seen kids at both 4 year institutions right out of NYC. They don't give a fuck about "attention from the teacher" either. At my current school, they're the ones who walk in 5 minutes late with their iPod on blast, sit in the chair, stare off into nowhere, and they show up once a week. You guys can keep sucking the collective dick of the higher education system if you want, but I can't wait to be done with it.

Don't let your girlfriend's story be the be-all, end-all of the attention from professor arguments either. I actually posted much lower grades at the private school with 16-20 kids in my class than at either public school. Community college was usually 25-30 a class, I think I took two classes there in lecture halls with about 90. It's all a matter of how much you apply yourself. I fail to see how attention from the professor will help anyone, since I've found most of mine to be entirely unwilling to give assistance, once again save for the Education professors.

[mimieux]

You're paying for a better education. Better education means you're learning more which ultimately means...

BINGO

You get better grades. It's how things work.

Well we can see who isn't..

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Also one last point I'd like to make.....you guys were saying "more graduates = better reputation" or whatever. Outside of the Ivy League and some select schools with really high admission standards, (Ex. Duke, Syracuse, UNC, Stanford, etc.) when was the last time you heard a kid say "Yeah, I picked this school because of it's ACADEMIC PRESTIGE!"

...Not very often.

[ChristianLFTW]

I'd lol if he has an account on AP.net and he saw this.

[deFobbed14yrs]

This is absolutely true. My girlfriend went to school at (private) DePaul University in Chicago last year, but she had to transfer to (public) Ohio University due to economic reasons. While she said OU isn't particularly harder, her grades have gone down from a 3.88 to a 3.75. Some would say this isn't a big deal, but she says it's completely due to the fact that her classes were typically 25-35 people at DPU, and now she's in classes with 60-160 at OU. The attention is concentrated much more on the students, and she said every one of her teachers knew her personally.

The amount of kids I know that feel like everything is just going to be handed to them is fucking ridiculous. If you want to skate by in college and get all the teachers that don't particularly care about attendance or due dates, check ratemyprofessor for the easiest teacher and graduate with a fine arts or marketing degree.

And to the kid that was 3 minutes late to class and got a 0, I can GUARANTEE that your prof specifically stated on the syllabus that you're expected to be on time.

He said if you were late you were absent, fine. But i still handed in my paper that day right at the beginning of class and that should count for something, its not like i came in 5 minutes before class to hand in my paper b/c i took class time to type it out.

[Villanova1L]

Dude that's fucking insane and it's super frustrating that you can't just bitch to your administrator until your grade was changed like in high school

Yeah, it really is.

[Enolase]

Prof handed out marked assignments today saying the late ones will be handed out at a later day because he didn't have time to mark them. Of course, my assignment which was handed in EARLY was not with him and when I told him I handed it in early he gave me a look of disbelief... Luckily 2 other people were in the same boat as me, better not lose marks for being "late"

[0s0]

I took a music class once. I thought it would be easy. But the teacher was passionate and pretentious. The perfect storm.

[mattyrocks]

I took a music class once. I thought it would be easy. But the teacher was passionate and pretentious. The perfect storm.


ha this was funny.

[scenekid12]

Music classes are so hard to deal with. You have to mesh well with teacher.

[lbopm]

Actually for everyone thinking professors real "job" is to teach is kidding themselves. In any college worth it's name the professors are there to research. All very large state schools will focus on two things: research and sports-- because they bring in the money. Teaching is always secondary and thats why most professors don't seem to care.

[OnLettingGo]

Actually for everyone thinking professors real "job" is to teach is kidding themselves. In any college worth it's name the professors are there to research. All very large state schools will focus on two things: research and sports-- because they bring in the money. Teaching is always secondary and thats why most professors don't seem to care.

totally true. most students i know pick there professors based on the research they're doing so that they can maybe get into their labs. the teaching is secondary. its the grad students who are really there to help you with your grade.

[lbopm]

totally true. most students i know pick there professors based on the research they're doing so that they can maybe get into their labs. the teaching is secondary. its the grad students who are really there to help you with your grade.

Even most grad students are encouraged to do research and are just expected to teach. Many of them do not have a set time there so they get out the quicker they finish their thesis so many of them are focused on that, but in general the TA is there to do the brunt of the help.

[MCSmate]

I took this World Religions/Intro to Theology course I have to take. The class learned more from each other and our group projects than the professor. She did not know much about the subjects she was teaching and always referenced her Life of Suffering and Death class Nursing students have to take and we had no Nursing students in the class. Anyways the project is supposed to be a presentation on a religion or topic, essentially we are teaching the class for the day. It is supposed to be 40 minutes long and we were 30 minutes in and were going to spend the last 10 minutes with a video. We got a B on the project. Another group spent 15 minutes on their presentation and they got an A and did not even completely finish the assignment. We were also critiqued as our professor did not like that we did our activity after our PowerPoint and instead of before, when the instructions for the assignment told us to do it after.

I don't think she teaches at my university anymore.

(I went to a Buddhist high school and wanted to yell at her when we were talked of Buddhism as she kept saying Buddha was enlightened under the "bo tree". It's the Bodhi tree!)

[Chancetobe]

For my legal writing course the teacher absolutely won't let anyone use passive voice. It's like the only thing she points out, that and too many/few commas. She spends hardly any time on the substance of our arguments, which, as lawyers, is the most important thing. But, what I disagree with is that I think passive voice often sounds better than active. I'm meeting with her on Thursday and I kind of want to scream and tell her that she has stupid priorities. "I want to fucking use passive voice... bitch. Speaking of voices, yours is incredibly annoying, so you should probably stop reading word for word off your powerpoint. Yeah, if I were grading you on your teaching skills, you would fail!"

[brettfavred]

wwooww thats gay

[EasySkankin]

My American Government teacher doesn't believe in evolution...
But she's cute.

[Villanova1L]

For my legal writing course the teacher absolutely won't let anyone use passive voice. It's like the only thing she points out, that and too many/few commas. She spends hardly any time on the substance of our arguments, which, as lawyers, is the most important thing. But, what I disagree with is that I think passive voice often sounds better than active. I'm meeting with her on Thursday and I kind of want to scream and tell her that she has stupid priorities. "I want to fucking use passive voice... bitch. Speaking of voices, yours is incredibly annoying, so you should probably stop reading word for word off your powerpoint. Yeah, if I were grading you on your teaching skills, you would fail!"

Legal writing is not suppose to be in passive voice. The point is to make your writing sound/read like a judge or opposing counsel is accustom. Just listen and stop being the kid in law school everyone hates. Write in passive voice and move on.

The way you present your argument is often as important as the "substance."

[Villanova1L]

wwooww thats gay

Yeah, it was gay.

[Chancetobe]

Legal writing is not suppose to be in passive voice. The point is to make your writing sound/read like a judge or opposing counsel is accustom. Just listen and stop being the kid in law school everyone hates. Write in passive voice and move on.

The way you present your argument is often as important as the "substance."
It's not like I don't do what she tells me, but can't I vent? She takes it to the extreme. And it's not just me who thinks so. It's the entire class.

[Villanova1L]

It's not like I don't do what she tells me, but can't I vent? She takes it to the extreme. And it's not just me who thinks so. It's the entire class.

You can vent if you want.

As far as substance of argument goes, I hope you're doing better than, "Everyone else thinks so too."

1LOL

[Chancetobe]

You can vent if you want.

As far as substance of argument goes, I hope you're doing better than, "Everyone else thinks so too."

1LOL
Argument: wow, you are quite obnoxious.

No cases to cite. No analysis. Memo/law school/life fail.

[Villanova1L]

Argument: wow, you are quite obnoxious.

No cases to cite. No analysis. Memo/law school/life fail.

I consulted my like minded friends and we all think your post could have been better.

I have a feeling your memo and exam answers include no analysis, which is while I will be watching for confirmation you lose your scholarship at Case. Good luck in life, especially with that mean old teacher trying to help you write "like a lawyer."

[Chancetobe]

I consulted my like minded friends and we all think your post could have been better.

I have a feeling your memo and exam answers include no analysis, which is while I will be watching for confirmation you lose your scholarship at Case. Good luck in life, especially with that mean old teacher trying to help you write "like a lawyer."
Mean teacher = writing me a reference. No argument from me, I think I will lose part of my scholarship. That said... I'm an upward trend kinda gal. My first semester in undergrad I got a 2.3. Second semester 3.2. Final semester 3.8.

For the record, the comment from my Core teacher about analysis in my first memo "your analysis is quite sophisticated." I got a 19 when the highest score was 21, and lost my additional points primarily because of spelling and grammar (while we got a "grade" it didn't contribute to our grade, so I didn't bother editing.).

[Villanova1L]

Upward trend = given in law school. Increasing your GPA is the rule, not the exception. Good luck with your scholarship, be sure to post first semester grades.

[Orichalon]

I got a C on a project cause I didn't use the internet. This was back in the 90s mind you, when computers were still a new idea to modern families...and the teacher never said I had to; the only case where internet was preferred over books. And as soon as that class was done, I used internet for all projects to realize that books are now preferred. Don't really care anymore, I'm not switching back!