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justinevans
06/25/06, 12:57 PM
Perched atop the City Hall building at Broad and Market Streets in Center City Philadelphia is a statue of William Penn, founder (and namer) of the city, and original proprietor of the then-British colony of Pennsylvania (meaning "Penn's Woods"). By tradition — although not by law — no building in the city could ever rise above this statue; however, in March 1987, a glass skyscraper, known as One Liberty Place, was opened for business approximately three blocks away. It dwarfed the City Hall building, exceeding its height by a whopping 397 feet (121m), reaching 945 feet (288m) compared with the latter's 548 feet (167m). Its sister scraper, Two Liberty Place, rising to 848 ft (258m), would soon follow.

Philadelphia sports teams had, up until then, enjoyed an admirable run of recent success: the 1980 Major League Baseball's Philadelphia Phillies had won the World Series, the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers had won back-to-back Stanley Cups in 1974 and 1975, and the NBA's Philadelphia 76ers had won the championship in 1983.1 In fact, prior to 1980, the Phillies had appeared in only two other World Series, in 1915 and 1950.

Unlike various other "curses" which seem to strike particular teams (Boston Red Sox - Curse of the Bambino, Chicago White Sox - Curse of the Black Sox; both of these seem to have been lifted), this curse is said to have struck all four teams in the city.

Following the opening of One Liberty Place, Philadelphia's franchises commenced a pattern of narrow failures to win a championship: The Flyers have lost in the Stanley Cup finals twice since the skyscraper's construction (in 1987 — a mere two months after One Liberty Place opened — and again in 1997), the Phillies lost the 1993 World Series to the Toronto Blue Jays, the 76ers lost the 2001 NBA Finals to the Los Angeles Lakers, and the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles lost Super Bowl XXXIX to the New England Patriots.

In addition, losses in conference finals have occurred seven times since the opening of One Liberty Place, including four by the Flyers, in 1989, 1995, 2000, and 2004. The 2000 team was one win away from a Stanley Cup Finals appearance, leading the New Jersey Devils 3-1 before losing three straight, and in 2004, the Flyers lost Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals to the Tampa Bay Lightning. The Eagles accounted for the other three conference final losses; they lost the NFC Championship Game (the winner of which meets the winner of the AFC's corresponding game in the Super Bowl) three years in a row from 2002 to 2004, thus becoming the first NFL team to do this in either conference since the Dallas Cowboys of 1980-1982, losing the last two at home after posting the best record in the NFC. No other team in NFL history has lost back-to-back conference title games at home since the NFL began its practice of awarding home-field advantage in postseason games based on regular-season record in 1975.

The curse appeared to have manifested itself again on December 19, 2004. The Eagles clinched home-field for the NFC playoffs, but wide receiver Terrell Owens suffered a fractured fibula and severe ankle sprain, which was expected to end his season. Even so, the Eagles won the NFC Championship Game 27-10 over the Atlanta Falcons, breaking their three-game NFC Championship losing streak. However, the Eagles lost 24-21 to the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXIX on February 6, 2005, despite Owens returning for the game against medical advice. Donovan McNabb threw three interceptions after having had only eight in the entire regular season, yet never gave up, throwing for three TDs and over 350 yards in the air.

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The curse is sometimes also extended to include the saga of Bensalem Township based thoroughbred race horse Smarty Jones, who saw his bid for horse racing's Triple Crown evaporate when he finished second in the 2004 Belmont Stakes after registering decisive victories in both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes, including having beaten the Belmont winner, Birdstone, by 15¼ lengths in the Derby.

Another Philadephia-based race horse, Barbaro, was the winner of the 2006 Kentucky Derby and was the favored Triple Crown winner when, during the beginning phase of the 2006 Preakness Stakes, the horse suffered a fractured right hind leg and had to be transported to the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania where it underwent a 5-hour surgery to repair the leg. Despite the success of the operation, veternarians still gave Barbaro a 50-50 chance of survival.

The curse did not affect Delaware Park-based Afleet Alex, since he did not win the Kentucky Derby, but almost suffered what would have been a traumatic injury at the Preakness, only to come back from the near mishap to win the Preakness and later the Belmont Stakes.

Although not officially attributed to college sports, two Philadelphia-based college basketball teams, the St. Joseph's Hawks and the Villanova Wildcats, which had very successful seasons in 2004 and 2006 respectively, failed to reach the Final Four of the NCAA Basketball Tournament. They were both eliminated in the fourth round Elite Eight matches, with St. Joe's, the number 1 seed in the East Regional, losing a heartbreaker to Oklahoma State, and Villanova, the number 1 seed in the Minneapolis Regional, falling to Florida. A third college basketball team in Philadelphia, the Temple Owls, also failed to reach the Final Four 5 times due to losses in the fourth round (1988, 1991, 1993, 1999, 2001).

The curse, however, does not seem to affect Philadelphia's minor league hockey franchise, the AHL's Philadelphia Phantoms, who won the Calder Cup championship trophy twice since the curse's inception, in both 1998 and 2005, the Philadelphia Wings of the National Lacrosse League, who have won six titles since 1989, the Philadelphia KiXX of the Major Indoor Soccer League, whom won the league's championship in 2001-2002, nor the Philadelphia Barrage who won the Major League Lacrosse championship in 2004

The Philadelphia Phillies had had their own separate curse before 1980. Until then they were the only one of the sixteen original Major League Baseball teams formed from the 1901 National League contraction and subsequent American League foundation to have never won a World Series (the St. Louis Browns had won in 1966 and 1970 as the Baltimore Orioles). This curse, however, appears never to have been publicly given a name, and no story behind the curse was ever offered.

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 01:00 PM
there was a website i as on once, that showed how many days, hours, minutes, and seconds it was since the last world championship by each philly pro sports team, it was awesome


at least Nova won it all in 85 :)

justinevans
06/25/06, 01:01 PM
there was a website i as on once, that showed how many days, hours, minutes, and seconds it was since the last world championship by each philly pro sports team, it was awesome


at least Nova won it all in 85 :)

well that was prior to 87'...

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 01:10 PM
well that was prior to 87'...




oh, i just skimmed it and i mustve missed that part. my bad

justinevans
06/25/06, 01:15 PM
oh, i just skimmed it and i mustve missed that part. my bad

its okay, you're a nova fan. don't forget about those possible tickets!

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 01:18 PM
its okay, you're a nova fan. don't forget about those possible tickets!




yeah dude no doubt. the lottery for the games go up like 1-2 weeks before. theres like 5-6 lotteries total for the year; each one consists of like 3 or so games. you need a student ticket and usually a wildcard (our student IDs), but you could just borrow someone elses, its really not hard

justinevans
06/25/06, 01:20 PM
yeah dude no doubt. the lottery for the games go up like 1-2 weeks before. theres like 5-6 lotteries total for the year; each one consists of like 3 or so games. you need a student ticket and usually a wildcard (our student IDs), but you could just borrow someone elses, its really not hard

sweet. Did you see Nardi is playing in the Jersey Shore Summer League @ St. Rose?

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 01:23 PM
sweet. Did you see Nardi is playing in the Jersey Shore Summer League @ St. Rose?




yeah i remember reading that somewhere, thats sweet.


oh, i forgot to mention, the games at the Wachovia center you dont need a wildcard, so those should be the easiest for you to get into if you get a ticket

justinevans
06/25/06, 01:30 PM
yeah i remember reading that somewhere, thats sweet.


oh, i forgot to mention, the games at the Wachovia center you dont need a wildcard, so those should be the easiest for you to get into if you get a ticket

yeah.

justinevans
06/25/06, 01:30 PM
yeah i remember reading that somewhere, thats sweet.


oh, i forgot to mention, the games at the Wachovia center you dont need a wildcard, so those should be the easiest for you to get into if you get a ticket

when do they release the schedule?

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 01:43 PM
when do they release the schedule?




late july/early august i think


they pretty much know all the teams theyre playing, its just a matter of when. were playing @oklahoma and vs. texas this year, those are the only OOC games i can remember

EDIT: this is what i came up with:

16 BE games
St. Joes
Temple
LaSalle
Penn

Texas - @ The WAC
@Oklahoma

Bucknell - Pavilion
Towson - Atlantic City?

rollie massimino's team down in florida
Paradise Jam - St. Thomas, end of November

Maybe 2 more cupcakes and a marquee OOC and that's it.

imirish06
06/25/06, 01:52 PM
It's not William Penns fault. it's the assholes that built in front of him

justinevans
06/25/06, 02:49 PM
late july/early august i think


they pretty much know all the teams theyre playing, its just a matter of when. were playing @oklahoma and vs. texas this year, those are the only OOC games i can remember

EDIT: this is what i came up with:

16 BE games
St. Joes
Temple
LaSalle
Penn

Texas - @ The WAC
@Oklahoma

Bucknell - Pavilion
Towson - Atlantic City?

rollie massimino's team down in florida
Paradise Jam - St. Thomas, end of November

Maybe 2 more cupcakes and a marquee OOC and that's it.

hahah no way, they are playing massimino's team now? I heard that was canceled considering I went to that school. (Northwood University) Anyway they are NAIA, Maybe D-2.

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 02:53 PM
hahah no way, they are playing massimino's team now? I heard that was canceled considering I went to that school. (Northwood University) Anyway they are NAIA, Maybe D-2.




from what ive heard, EZ ed said that wed be playing them on the way down to the paradise jam, as an exhibition game

justinevans
06/25/06, 02:56 PM
from what ive heard, EZ ed said that wed be playing them on the way down to the paradise jam, as an exhibition game

hmm I heard we were playing Fl instead lol?

xbrokendownx
06/25/06, 02:59 PM
hmm I heard we were playing Fl instead lol?





who knows. either way, we'll win by 40

justinevans
06/25/06, 03:01 PM
who knows. either way, we'll win by 40

probably. they have some height though and some transfers.

mat1419
06/25/06, 03:59 PM
it's possible this is true, but more likely that the curse of philadelphia was brought on by me, as nothing has been won since that fateful day i was born

justinevans
06/25/06, 04:01 PM
it's possible this is true, but more likely that the curse of philadelphia was brought on by me, as nothing has been won since that fateful day i was born

well nova won in 85'

Dirty Ernie
06/25/06, 04:16 PM
i just want a championship while i am in my young twenties...that would be the party of a lifetime

justinevans
06/25/06, 04:33 PM
i just want a championship while i am in my young twenties...that would be the party of a lifetime

I just want a championship. I'll make it the party of my lifetime at any age.

mat1419
06/25/06, 09:41 PM
well nova won in 85'
yeah, but i like things to center around me.

mat1419
06/25/06, 09:42 PM
I just want a championship. I'll make it the party of my lifetime at any age.
i do too...but one of my greatest dreams is that day on broad street after the eagles win the title. that will be the craziest/best day of my life.

fire on my lips
06/25/06, 10:36 PM
i do too...but one of my greatest dreams is that day on broad street after the eagles win the title. that will be the craziest/best day of my life.
why not the night of?

Dirty Ernie
06/25/06, 10:48 PM
why not the night of?

the party will last for many hours....from the minute they win until the parade is over...no matter how long that is, no one will go to work/stop drinking

justinevans
06/26/06, 06:36 AM
I think the same will happen if the Flyers win the Cup too.

No one cares about Sixers or Phillies any longer.

Dirty Ernie
06/26/06, 10:29 AM
I think the same will happen if the Flyers win the Cup too.

No one cares about Sixers or Phillies any longer.

people want to love the phillies though, this could be a baseball town and thats why so many people are so pissed at the team right now, its not fair that ownership is a travesty

justinevans
06/26/06, 11:17 AM
people want to love the phillies though, this could be a baseball town and thats why so many people are so pissed at the team right now, its not fair that ownership is a travesty

yes, I know, but it will always be football, hockey, college bball first.

mat1419
06/26/06, 11:41 AM
yes, I know, but it will always be football, hockey, college bball first.
maybe...but if the city gets behind the team (see 1993), the same red carpet would be rolled out. hell, that team lost and we're still talking about them.

justinevans
06/26/06, 11:42 AM
maybe...but if the city gets behind the team (see 1993), the same red carpet would be rolled out. hell, that team lost and we're still talking about them.

I guess? They are still behind the Eagles and Flyers whether they have full support or not.

mat1419
06/26/06, 11:55 AM
I guess? They are still behind the Eagles and Flyers whether they have full support or not.
yeah, all said they definately are.

one thing i was thinking about though is how shitty if would be if we went out and bought a championship. philly is great at getting behind their teams when they're giving it their all, and the city almost always identifies with their teams. in 93 or even the late 90's flyers teams this was the case. almost always we're able to do that with the Eagles.

i think it would suck if bobby clarke or pat gillick went out this offseason, brought in a half new roster that won it and left. the city would celebrate as best they could, but there wouldn't be the long term relationship that would take place if a team stayed together for awhile and finally won one.

my feeling is, i've already waited my whole life for a title, i'd rather just make sure we get it the right way than grab one with guys who aren't part of the city.

justinevans
06/26/06, 11:59 AM
yeah, all said they definately are.

one thing i was thinking about though is how shitty if would be if we went out and bought a championship. philly is great at getting behind their teams when they're giving it their all, and the city almost always identifies with their teams. in 93 or even the late 90's flyers teams this was the case. almost always we're able to do that with the Eagles.

i think it would suck if bobby clarke or pat gillick went out this offseason, brought in a half new roster that won it and left. the city would celebrate as best they could, but there wouldn't be the long term relationship that would take place if a team stayed together for awhile and finally won one.

my feeling is, i've already waited my whole life for a title, i'd rather just make sure we get it the right way than grab one with guys who aren't part of the city.

Yeah, neither team will. The thing is, they wouldn't need to run a firesale if they did. They'd sell out if they had a good team, something the Eagles and Flyers do anyway.

However, with the talk of the Eagles cutting Owens anyway - how can that now be seen as them trying to buy one?

mat1419
06/26/06, 12:18 PM
However, with the talk of the Eagles cutting Owens anyway - how can that now be seen as them trying to buy one?
well i always thought that was bull...that summer they added 2 people...that's not really buying anything in the long run. the same nucleus had been together for years. they've added the same amount of people this year, so its not a huge deal when 22 people start in football.

i was actually thinking more in terms of the flyers, because we had a great group of philly guys who, if they'd won, would have been city legends. if the team this year had won, i really don't think people would remember them as highly as they already remember leclair and recci and brind amor and the rest.

Dirty Ernie
06/26/06, 12:54 PM
i was actually thinking more in terms of the flyers, because we had a great group of philly guys who, if they'd won, would have been city legends. if the team this year had won, i really don't think people would remember them as highly as they already remember leclair and recci and brind amor and the rest.

i tend to agree with this statement, you dont want to rent a bunch of players at the deadline and win then suck for years, though i'll take anything at this point....but you have to remember that a player can become a legend in just one playoff run, so if the flyers had kept playing and won the cup, there would be a new group of favorites on this team

justinevans
06/26/06, 01:12 PM
i tend to agree with this statement, you dont want to rent a bunch of players at the deadline and win then suck for years, though i'll take anything at this point....but you have to remember that a player can become a legend in just one playoff run, so if the flyers had kept playing and won the cup, there would be a new group of favorites on this team

the thing is, atleast Clarke is willing to spend if he needs to. He makes some dumb decisions, but he's not cheap.

mat1419
06/26/06, 01:26 PM
the thing is, atleast Clarke is willing to spend if he needs to. He makes some dumb decisions, but he's not cheap.
oh i like bobby clarke...and i want him to bring in some new people for sure. same with gillick. i'm just hoping when it finally does happen, we have a good vibe from the team so it means something, that's all.

xbrokendownx
06/26/06, 01:26 PM
the flyers will not do anything until clarke realizes he needs to get a good goalie

justinevans
06/26/06, 01:31 PM
the flyers will not do anything until clarke realizes he needs to get a good goalie

I think this year was a strong case of the Olympics and Injuries hurting the Flyers. Nittymaki was the tournament MVP, and Esche was hobbled by injuries...The team was so fatigued.

btw, wow the phillies are showing some light? A comeback for once?

mat1419
06/26/06, 02:20 PM
btw, wow the phillies are showing some light? A comeback for once?
Chase fucking Utley with a Papelbomb!