The first year w/o high school talent?

[justinevans]

Do you think the NBA will now benefit from the new rule?

[Brownpants06]

no


we should have got oden

bah

[preppyak]

Ha...good point.

I think it will...maybe not immediately, but 3-4 years from now, there will be better defenders in the league due to the college game, and that is where the NBA needs to improve

[LeftWideOpen]

to some degree ...but i think the college game is obviously what's the biggest winner. Even if kids are one and done, the level of play will be as high as it's ever been.

[Broken Parachute]

College basketball is the big winner, I think it has no effect on the NBA.

[livethesounds]

This is great for the leauge, although I realize plenty of great players have come out straight from high school (D. Wilkins, K. Bryant, K. Garnett, L. James, A. Stoudamire, ect) sooo many players think they are nba ready and arnt even close. the past two years have been chock full of high school players drafted int he first couple of rounds and never heard from again. most of these guys arnt ready yet.

[SePaMc]

did this rule actually pass?

[bigmike]

i agree that the college game will benefit. just look to OSU and all the talk of their freshman coming in. there's nat'l title hopes in columbus that wouldn't be there if Oden could jump the NBA. that said, i don't think a league should be able to tell a kid that's good enough to get drafted that they can't go pro.

[FondestMemory]

i agree with everybody saying it'll help the college game more. because it will.

i just wish, since it passed anyways, why not make it 20? why not make them play two years of college ball? i think that would be the best way to benefit everybody.

[SePaMc]

i agree that the college game will benefit. just look to OSU and all the talk of their freshman coming in. there's nat'l title hopes in columbus that wouldn't be there if Oden could jump the NBA. that said, i don't think a league should be able to tell a kid that's good enough to get drafted that they can't go pro.

yeah. i don't know. i mean, maybe it will help to not dilute the game, but for every 5 kids that make the jump, that 1 that succeeds seems to be a star. And also, I don't think its fair to that kid that gets a free ride, and is academically focused, that he now doesn't get in because a kid that only has intentions of playing one year got his scholarship before making the jump to the NBA.

[SePaMc]

i agree with everybody saying it'll help the college game more. because it will.

i just wish, since it passed anyways, why not make it 20? why not make them play two years of college ball? i think that would be the best way to benefit everybody.

20 != 2 years of college. I'm 19 and just finished my second year. It should be a year thing, not an age thing.

But, I still say why make it at all? I disagree with Stern on this one.

[justinevans]

Why not require an age or a certain aspect in education or professional development just like most professional careers do?

[SePaMc]

Why not require an age or a certain aspect in education or professional development just like most professional careers do?

you're telling me if a coding phenom came along, a major company wouldn't recruit him straight out of school?

I can understand a doctor, or something where you need to be licensed. But NBA doesn't require a license. It requires skill. If you feel you can maximize that skill by the time you are 19, whatever.

I think college will help. I mean Kobe made the all star team his rookie year, but he's the only one. LeBron, Garnett both got a lot better with a couple years. If those couple years were in college would they have helped as much? Possibly. I don't know.

But I don't like that it takes away someone else's chances. Maybe they will still be able to go to another school, and they were on the bubble so they probably won't be a star. But if they had a desire to go to school, and this guy comes in with intentions of staying 1 year, it hurts a lot of people. It hurts the other players on the program since he is only there for himself. It hurts the coach, because they won't really get in touch with him. It will hurt the fans, because they will know he's leaving, so no matter how good they are, it may/may not carry into the next year. And it hurts the player that didn't make the team because he came in.

If he goes into the NBA after HS and sucks, it only hurts him. The team won't be paying that much, and they can always try and get him to develop, or just not pick him up again after those initial 3 years.

[justinevans]

you're telling me if a coding phenom came along, a major company wouldn't recruit him straight out of school?

I can understand a doctor, or something where you need to be licensed. But NBA doesn't require a license. It requires skill. If you feel you can maximize that skill by the time you are 19, whatever.

I think college will help. I mean Kobe made the all star team his rookie year, but he's the only one. LeBron, Garnett both got a lot better with a couple years. If those couple years were in college would they have helped as much? Possibly. I don't know.

But I don't like that it takes away someone else's chances. Maybe they will still be able to go to another school, and they were on the bubble so they probably won't be a star. But if they had a desire to go to school, and this guy comes in with intentions of staying 1 year, it hurts a lot of people. It hurts the other players on the program since he is only there for himself. It hurts the coach, because they won't really get in touch with him. It will hurt the fans, because they will know he's leaving, so no matter how good they are, it may/may not carry into the next year. And it hurts the player that didn't make the team because he came in.

If he goes into the NBA after HS and sucks, it only hurts him. The team won't be paying that much, and they can always try and get him to develop, or just not pick him up again after those initial 3 years.

Kobe Bryant averaged 15.5 min and 7.6 pts his rookie year, no all star game
His 2nd year 26 mins and 15 pts - how he made it then, idk? but it was not his first year.

Also, look at the amount of "phenoms" who have not done shit in the NBA compared to the players who have.

[justinevans]

also, many of the h.s. do not start, where they most likely would in college...they lose out on years of development.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

marvin williams didnt even start in college the year he played, granted it was because of the team he was on but still.


and whoever brought up the point about the younger person in another field, its a dumb point. maybe if it was possible that due to that coder enterting the workplace, the entire field was less talented and productive than in years past, than it could be a good comparison but theres a different between athletics and comp sci.

[bigmike]

Why not require an age or a certain aspect in education or professional development just like most professional careers do?
because professional sports is completely different than most professional careers. To compare a pro athlete to another occupation is ridiculous.

[Scott Weber]

i love this rule personally.

[justinevans]

because professional sports is completely different than most professional careers. To compare a pro athlete to another occupation is ridiculous.

they still need devolpment.

[bigmike]

they still need devolpment.
They are completely different things. There's no reason to compare why a kid doesn't become an Accountant right out of high school and why a kid goes pro in a sport. It's apples and oranges.

Do i like the rule? Yeah, it's a good rule. But then again, who am I to deny a kid the right to play sports for a living/dictate when they can do it for a living.

[wessa]

yeah. i don't know. i mean, maybe it will help to not dilute the game, but for every 5 kids that make the jump, that 1 that succeeds seems to be a star. And also, I don't think its fair to that kid that gets a free ride, and is academically focused, that he now doesn't get in because a kid that only has intentions of playing one year got his scholarship before making the jump to the NBA.

agreed, how bout making them go for four years, god forbid they get a degree for the college they are getting to attend for free.

[justinevans]

They are completely different things. There's no reason to compare why a kid doesn't become an Accountant right out of high school and why a kid goes pro in a sport. It's apples and oranges.

Do i like the rule? Yeah, it's a good rule. But then again, who am I to deny a kid the right to play sports for a living/dictate when they can do it for a living.

It is a private institution, they can do whatever the fuck they want?

[bigmike]

agreed, how bout making them go for four years, god forbid they get a degree for the college they are getting to attend for free.
Yeah. but they all can't be you; geniuses with the ability to play in the NBA had you not quit to focus on academics/other things.

[bigmike]

It is a private institution, they can do whatever the fuck they want?
oh, i forgot that because it's a private institution and that they have the right to do whatever they want that it makes it actually right.

The KKK is completely right in what they do, as well.:rolleyes:

[justinevans]

oh, i forgot that because it's a private institution and that they have the right to do whatever they want that it makes it actually right.

The KKK is completely right in what they do, as well.:rolleyes:

No, but it is a business. The employer can make the requirements what he would like them to be. It is not a public company and neither are the teams.

If you're going to make that comparison...what is the difference between that and not being able to legally work under the age of 14?

[justinevans]

they have the right to play professionaly, just not in the NBA, they can join any other league they want pending on the rules. They are still employees and an employer has to hire them.

[justinevans]

also, it is priviledge, not a right.

[wessa]

Yeah. but they all can't be you; geniuses with the ability to play in the NBA had you not quit to focus on academics/other things.

you don't have to be a genius to graduate college

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

if you are a college athlete and you cant pass 4 classes a semester, you are borderline retarded and shouldnt be able to make millions of dollars.

i know athletes at my school, and with the combination of the easy courseloads they are able to take and the amount of tutoring and extensions they get on assignments and tests, theres no excuse for it.

they fail classes because they are too busy doing stupid shit, not because the work is too much for them.