Does is suck to be a minority in America?

[Echo Park]

I was in walmart today with my roommate who is black. We were waiting in line, there were about 3 people ahead of us. All of them paid with credit card with no problems. Then it came to my roommate and the lady was like "can I see your ID please"
My roommate felt so ostracized at that moment, i could see it written all over his face.
The lady was like "I ask everyone for their IDs"
Clearly she doesn't I saw so myself.
When we walked out of there I could tell he was tired of that kind of treatment, but he didn't talk about it with me.
What do you guys think?

tell us your stories if you have some

[Sventhegreat]

How old are you? I always notice that cashiers will ask for my ID just because i'm 20 and that means "I steal people's credit cards and buy shit with it."

[anamericangod]

Ask me in a few years.

[atticus18244fss]

Moral of the story: Don't shop at Walmart and carry around stacks of $50's insert racial joke.

[pr0digy]

Idk, sometimes cashier's are just inconsistent with their jobs...I know for example at Target I technically was supposed to ask every damn person if they wanted to open a target credit card, but in reality i only randomly asked people, and occasionally told them i ask everyone. I think it likely was the case in this situation, though I could be wrong. I'm half spanish but look so white on a citation for a busted tail light that the cop wrote on there that I was a white male, even though my last name clearly is spanish. I don't think stuff like that will ever truly end though, as sad as it sounds.

[greenteaallday]

I really don't find too many people in my generation where I live to be racist or anything. The older generations... that's a different story.

[LoginBanned]

It may be slightly racist to assume she asked for his ID just because he's black

[open mind]

It may be slightly racist to assume she asked for his ID just because he's black

it's racist to feel like you just saw someone discriminated against?

[DCfreak]

I was with my old roommate who was Asian and we went to China Town and I felt very awkward being the minority for once. I was the only white person in this Asian goods supermarket and I seriously felt like the whole store was just starring at me. Other than that one time, I'v felt discrimminated against pretty heavily as an atheist. Being atheist may be more and more common in our generation, but I'v felt pressured to pretended to believe in God to fit in on more than one occassion.

[LoginBanned]

it's racist to feel like you just saw someone discriminated against?

Being overly sensitive is a form of racism.

[your a sheep]

According to my sociology text books being a minority is the "same as living with a bomb tied to your chest." I got a final on that in a hour.

[caveBEAR]

Moral of the story: Don't shop at Walmart and carry around stacks of $50's insert racial joke.

What exactly were you going for here? Because it reads like a sloppily put together, unfunny racist aside. Who said anything about $50s?

It may be slightly racist to assume she asked for his ID just because he's black

Being overly sensitive is a form of racism.

No & no.

[saysmydoctor]

Being overly sensitive is a form of racism.
What?

[caveBEAR]

What?

Well, it's obvious. If you notice that people have different shades of skin, and you see that others treat these differently colored people in a negative manner, and it upsets you...well, you have pointed out that someone has different colored skin than you, thus, you are a racist. The logic is quite simple.

[saysmydoctor]

Well, it's obvious. If you notice that people have different shades of skin, and you see that others treat these differently colored people in a negative manner, and it upsets you...well, you have pointed out that someone has different colored skin than you, thus, you are a racist. The logic is quite simple.
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[perceptrons]

http://donstuff.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/circular-reasoning1.jpg
Wonderful graphic, I will steal.

[caveBEAR]

http://donstuff.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/circular-reasoning1.jpg

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, that's awesome. That graphic just ended up in My Documents.

[Smash Adams]

Well, it's obvious. If you notice that people have different shades of skin, and you see that others treat these differently colored people in a negative manner, and it upsets you...well, you have pointed out that someone has different colored skin than you, thus, you are a racist. The logic is quite simple.
I don't notice people's skin color
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[rawesome]

Racist Walmart story time? K!

My half-asian best friend was working at a cash register at Walmart when this middle aged couple came up with a cart full of stuff. Their credit card machine had been malfunctioning all day and so, if I remember right, something like only certain cards would work in the machine. Whatever, that's not the point.

Anyway, so he tries running a number of the lady's cards, but to no avail. He's apologizing nonstop because this is an awkward situation and he feels bad for holding them up. I think she decideds to just write a check and as she's getting her purse he husband says, "If this were a white boy, we'd be done already," and walks away.

What an asshole, right?

[atticus18244fss]

What exactly were you going for here? Because it reads like a sloppily put together, unfunny racist aside. Who said anything about $50s?





No & no.
Me Very Tired+Posting=Bad Idea

[shermanology]

Anyone who thinks there isn't racism anymore is just kidding themselves.

There are more ways to be racist than by lynching people. One of my grad class was about diversity issues in education. The fucked up shit that still goes on in the education system is sickening.

To answer the thread, it can suck to be a minority.

[rawesome]

Anyone who thinks there isn't racism anymore is just kidding themselves.

There are more ways to be racist than by lynching people. One of my grad class was about diversity issues in education. The fucked up shit that still goes on in the education system is sickening.

To answer the thread, it can suck to be a minority.
This!!!

Education is fucked up in general, even among gender lines there are far too many biases.

[Echo Park]

Well, it's obvious. If you notice that people have different shades of skin, and you see that others treat these differently colored people in a negative manner, and it upsets you...well, you have pointed out that someone has different colored skin than you, thus, you are a racist. The logic is quite simple.

ok because people aren't color blind makes them racist? clearly you're joking right? I can tell an Indian from an African, an Asian from a White Canadian, does that make me racist? or simply not blind?
Because i know my bestfriend is black, that makes me a racist?

On another note, i truly believe our generation is a lot less racist. But maybe as people age, they tend to become more racist, i dont know. Maybe when 40yr were younger they were less racist than they are now, i dont know. But 20s don't have the gull to be racist, they aren't going to ask a black guy for an ID when they know they don't ask white people. They are probably thinking it in their heads, but they know if they ask it they will be viewed as racist, which they will.

20s are afraid to be viewed as racist, which is a good thing.

[caveBEAR]

ok because people aren't color blind makes them racist? clearly you're joking right? I can tell an Indian from an African, an Asian from a White Canadian, does that make me racist? or simply not blind?
Because i know my bestfriend is black, that makes me a racist?

On another note, i truly believe our generation is a lot less racist. But maybe as people age, they tend to become more racist, i dont know. Maybe when 40yr were younger they were less racist than they are now, i dont know. But 20s don't have the gull to be racist, they aren't going to ask a black guy for an ID when they know they don't ask white people. They are probably thinking it in their heads, but they know if they ask it they will be viewed as racist, which they will.

20s are afraid to be viewed as racist, which is a good thing.

Of course I was joking.

Just keeping racist thoughts to yourself isn't helping the problem, you have to not be racist. People in their 20s shouldn't be afraid to be viewed as a racist, they should not want to be racist, as should people of all ages.

[G apostrophe Ra]

Well, I can't speak for everybody, but to answer the question in the name of the thread:

I'm having a pretty good time with it, actually. :)

[Machu505]

Racism is fairly common here. It doesn't phase me as much as it should because of that.

[SeeTheLights]

hi6ziGdTnKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi6ziGdTnKY&feature=related)

[LoginBanned]

No & no.

What?

If you're assuming said person was asking for ID because he/she was a different etnicity than the customer, you're making an assumption based on the cashier's race as well. I would like to hear how you came to your conclusions however.

[caveBEAR]

If you're assuming said person was asking for ID because he/she was a different etnicity than the customer, your making an assumption based on the cashier's race as well. I would like to hear how you came to your conclusions however.

No, if you observe someone treat a person of a certain race differently that they have treated people of different races in the same position, then you have just witnessed racism, that doesn't make you a racist.

If you turn around and say 'whitey didn't check him out because all crackers are scared of black people', that's racist. If you lean to your friend a whisper, 'did that cashier just treat that black guy differently than all those white guys?' then you have spotted racism. You are reacting to that person's actions, not their skin, which is the exact opposite of racism. Prejudice means 'to judge before', as in judge someone before you know them or what they do. If someone does something, so you judge their actions, like a cashier treating African Americans differently, that's just judging based on their actions.

Nice try, though.

[Echo Park]

If you're assuming said person was asking for ID because he/she was a different etnicity than the customer, you're making an assumption based on the cashier's race as well. I would like to hear how you came to your conclusions however.
if you're referring to my OP, then i explained it already.
but i'll go into age specifics
Female White Cashier in 50s or 60s
3 white Customers in line ahead of us: One 20-something girl, one 40-something woman, one 20-something guy
All paid with credit card
My friend, 20-something black guy, also paid with credit card, got checked, and for quite some time, as it seemed she didn't know how to match up the names from credit card and ID, like she doesn't do it often.

call me a racist? Maybe. Surely I would treat thugs different, maybe check my wallet when walking by, grip my cell phone alittle tighter. But i'll do the same with skinheads and hippies. Not well dressed, well kept men of any race.

[saysmydoctor]

If you're assuming said person was asking for ID because he/she was a different etnicity than the customer, you're making an assumption based on the cashier's race as well. I would like to hear how you came to your conclusions however.
What?

[rawesome]

if you're referring to my OP, then i explained it already.
but i'll go into age specifics
Female White Cashier in 50s or 60s
3 white Customers in line ahead of us: One 20-something girl, one 40-something woman, one 20-something guy
All paid with credit card
My friend, 20-something black guy, also paid with credit card, got checked, and for quite some time, as it seemed she didn't know how to match up the names from credit card and ID, like she doesn't do it often.

call me a racist? Maybe. Surely I would treat thugs different, maybe check my wallet when walking by, grip my cell phone alittle tighter. But i'll do the same with skinheads and hippies. Not well dressed, well kept men of any race.
I don't think hippies would mug/pickpocket somebody.

[threepunchjim]

Ask me in a few years.

That was fantastic. What's the prediction again, 2030 or 40? It's gonna be interesting.

But yeah to seriously answer the question, I would say that America only really sucks for the gay community, and that'll probably change within the generation.

[Echo Park]

That was fantastic. What's the prediction again, 2030 or 40? It's gonna be interesting.

But yeah to seriously answer the question, I would say that America only really sucks for the gay community, and that'll probably change within the generation.
i think America is trying to hate the gay community, but can't because gays are everywhere (not saying this in a bad way.)
I mean,besides TV shows, we see senators and governors and other politicians coming out saying they're gay. In a few years they won't need to hide the fact. Five years ago, if a politician was found to be gay, they would lose their post. Today, people are wondering "why didn't he say something sooner?"

[anamericangod]

That was fantastic. What's the prediction again, 2030 or 40? It's gonna be interesting.

But yeah to seriously answer the question, I would say that America only really sucks for the gay community, and that'll probably change within the generation.

Sooner than that.

[threepunchjim]

i think America is trying to hate the gay community, but can't because gays are everywhere (not saying this in a bad way.)
I mean,besides TV shows, we see senators and governors and other politicians coming out saying they're gay. In a few years they won't need to hide the fact. Five years ago, if a politician was found to be gay, they would lose their post. Today, people are wondering "why didn't he say something sooner?"

Exactly. The only remainder seems to be marriage, and that won't last long.

[threepunchjim]

Sooner than that.

I found this link real quick, but I wouldn't doubt it happening sooner.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1110177520080212

[Paul Tao]

As a minority: it doesn't necessarily suck, but it carries certain disadvantages.

[OnLettingGo]

i've never felt like a minority until i went to college. my private school is made up of like 4% hispanics.

[ace1112]

it sucks to be a minority anywhere

[open mind]

Being overly sensitive is a form of racism.

this concept is so ridiculous i'm incapable of wrapping my mind around it.

[saysmydoctor]

That was fantastic. What's the prediction again, 2030 or 40? It's gonna be interesting.

But yeah to seriously answer the question, I would say that America only really sucks for the gay community, and that'll probably change within the generation.
You must not be a hispanic or african american trying to take part in the US Education System. Naivety like this is damaging.

[Neo Cassady]

Racism is fairly common here. It doesn't phase me as much as it should because of that.

Not to generalize Appalachia, but as someone who just moved into the area, it shocked me how common it is. I teach down here and many of the minority students get picked on incessantly. Kids throw around racial slurs (not so much the N-word, but others) pretty freely. The sad thing is, a lot of the faculty just let it slide.

EDIT: Since sexual orientation was brought up, I'm also appalled at the constant barrage of the word "f*gg*t" and general bigotry that occurs. I don't know the whole story, but I've heard rumors that a student was expelled from a school for exhibiting same-sex affection. And I'm constantly defending my viewpoints against colleagues who make anti-gay "jokes" and even point out specific students.

[Machu505]

Not to generalize Appalachia, but as someone who just moved into the area, it shocked me how common it is. I teach down here and many of the minority students get picked on incessantly. Kids throw around racial slurs (not so much the N-word, but others) pretty freely. The sad thing is, a lot of the faculty just let it slide.

EDIT: Since sexual orientation was brought up, I'm also appalled at the constant barrage of the word "f*gg*t" and general bigotry that occurs. I don't know the whole story, but I've heard rumors that a student was expelled from a school for exhibiting same-sex affection. And I'm constantly defending my viewpoints against colleagues who make anti-gay "jokes" and even point out specific students.
There's also a huge double standard in the schools relating to general racism. For instance, there's a policy in Kanawha County that students cannot wear clothes depicting the Confederate flag because it's considered racially offensive. Needless to say, this is not enforced in the least bit. But I guarantee you if I were to wear a shirt saying something along the lines of "kill whitey", I'd be punished faster than you can say "the south will rise again."

On the subject of gay slurs and such, it is way, way more common than any sort of racism. On Channel 1, which is a student news program that's played during first block, the anchors were discussing the topic of same-sex marriage. A student, immediately upon hearing the sheer mention of homosexuality, said aloud, "Kill 'em all." This child is always calling everything (from hunting as opposed to ice-skating to homework) gay though.

In fact, in speech class one of my fellow students argued with my teacher that if gay people were allowed to participate in the military their "gay spirits" would infect their colleagues. These people cannot be reasoned with.

EDIT: This is unrelated, but if you're pronouncing Appalachia with a long "a" and not a short "a", please stop. Not to be presumptuous, but it's a huge pet peeve for Appalachians when those in the media or from other areas pronounce it their own weird way. I've only heard Stephen Colbert and Diane Sawyer pronounce it right. Just helpin' ya out. ;-)

[katyara]

There's also a huge double standard in the schools relating to general racism. For instance, there's a policy in Kanawha County that students cannot wear clothes depicting the Confederate flag because it's considered racially offensive. Needless to say, this is not enforced in the least bit. But I guarantee you if I were to wear a shirt saying something along the lines of "kill whitey", I'd be punished faster than you can say "the south will rise again."

On the subject of gay slurs and such, it is way, way more common than any sort of racism. On Channel 1, which is a student news program that's played during first block, the anchors were discussing the topic of same-sex marriage. A student, immediately upon hearing the sheer mention of homosexuality, said aloud, "Kill 'em all." This child is always calling everything (from hunting as opposed to ice-skating to homework) gay though.

In fact, in speech class one of my fellow students argued with my teacher that if gay people were allowed to participate in the military their "gay spirits" would infect their colleagues. These people cannot be reasoned with.

EDIT: This is unrelated, but if you're pronouncing Appalachia with a long "a" and not a short "a", please stop. Not to be presumptuous, but it's a huge pet peeve for Appalachians when those in the media or from other areas pronounce it their own weird way. I've only heard Stephen Colbert and Diane Sawyer pronounce it right. Just helpin' ya out. ;-)
I would like to add that a lot of kids in my school use homophobic slurs and don't think it's homophobic, which is ridiculous. ie, they think it's okay for them to say "that assignment is so gay and stupid" because NO YOU DUN GET IT GAY MEANS HAPPY or some crap like that.

[Machu505]

I would like to add that a lot of kids in my school use homophobic slurs and don't think it's homophobic, which is ridiculous. ie, they think it's okay for them to say "that assignment is so gay and stupid" because NO YOU DUN GET IT GAY MEANS HAPPY or some crap like that.
Oh I absolutely adore the stupid-ass argument that I've seen on this very site that saying "That's gay." is fine because in that context "gay" means "bad". Where the fuck do you think the phrase originated?

[katyara]

Oh I absolutely adore the stupid-ass argument that I've seen on this very site that saying "That's gay." is fine because in that context "gay" means "bad". Where the fuck do you think the phrase originated?
I don't think you're directing the last sentence towards me, because I just said that that argument is ridiculous, but I agree that their whole point is a technicality and a weak one at that.

[Machu505]

I don't think you're directing the last sentence towards me, because I just said that that argument is ridiculous, but I agree that their whole point is a technicality and a weak one at that.
But of course. It's directed towards those who think it's a-ok.

[katyara]

But of course. It's directed towards those who think it's a-ok.
Okay, whew what a relief. My noob self is still afraid of everyone here.

[boysandbulletsx]

No. I get priority over you whities when it comes to applying to colleges, scholarships, and internships. It feels good.

KIDDING.

[Neo Cassady]

This is unrelated, but if you're pronouncing Appalachia with a long "a" and not a short "a", please stop. Not to be presumptuous, but it's a huge pet peeve for Appalachians when those in the media or from other areas pronounce it their own weird way. I've only heard Stephen Colbert and Diane Sawyer pronounce it right. Just helpin' ya out. ;-)

Don't worry, I've pronounced it Appa-latch-a my whole life.

[threepunchjim]

You must not be a hispanic or african american trying to take part in the US Education System. Naivety like this is damaging.

With all due respect, I don't appreciate your condescending tone. Who am I damaging by carrying a simple opinion? If immediately changing my opinion would somehow magically right the woes of public education, then maybe we could talk (and change the world through our enlightened ideals!). I hate to be abrasive, because I do agree with you to a pretty far extent, but I'm personally of the belief these problems are more of an urban economic problem than a minority problem. There are no more federal laws directly inhibiting the progress of minority students in school (visit your high school history textbook: Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas). The problem is poverty and living conditions in poor urban areas, the direct correlation of poor tax brackets to shit schools, and the more indirect consequence of shit schools repelling quality teachers and/or resulting in an insanely high turnover rate of the teachers they do hire.

So try to avoid becoming this:

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[saysmydoctor]

With all due respect, I don't appreciate your condescending tone. Who am I damaging by carrying a simple opinion? If immediately changing my opinion would somehow magically right the woes of public education, then maybe we could talk (and change the world through our enlightened ideals!). I hate to be abrasive, because I do agree with you to a pretty far extent, but I'm personally of the belief these problems are more of an urban economic problem than a minority problem. There are no more federal laws directly inhibiting the progress of minority students in school (visit your high school history textbook: Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas). The problem is poverty and living conditions in poor urban areas, the direct correlation of poor tax brackets to shit schools, and the more indirect consequence of shit schools repelling quality teachers and/or resulting in an insanely high turnover rate of the teachers they do hire.

So try to avoid becoming this:

zIUzLpO1kxI
It's an urban economic problem that comes from damaging former policies that targeted minorities and which is still felt today because of policy that doesn't actually address the underlying problem.

[threepunchjim]

It's an urban economic problem that comes from damaging former policies that targeted minorities and which is still felt today because of policy that doesn't actually address the underlying problem.

What is the underlying problem?

[zion the lion]

I experienced racism in other countries, but not too much here.
I cant date a white guy without some awkward stares or some snide comments from the peanut gallery.

The only time it sucks is when it comes to the bullshit beauty standards.

[open mind]

i'm the whitest eskimo on earth so i used to get shit from the stupider natives for being white, then i'd hear alot of racist talk about natives when around people who didn't realize i was half yu'pik.....it doesn't happen as often anymore and it doesn't really bug me as much as it used to though.
ignorant white kids or dumbass radio personalities do/say some incredibly racist shit once or twice a year around here but other then that the alaskan brand of racism is way subtler then it used to be.

[Tead42]

With all due respect, I don't appreciate your condescending tone. Who am I damaging by carrying a simple opinion? If immediately changing my opinion would somehow magically right the woes of public education, then maybe we could talk (and change the world through our enlightened ideals!). I hate to be abrasive, because I do agree with you to a pretty far extent, but I'm personally of the belief these problems are more of an urban economic problem than a minority problem. There are no more federal laws directly inhibiting the progress of minority students in school (visit your high school history textbook: Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas). The problem is poverty and living conditions in poor urban areas, the direct correlation of poor tax brackets to shit schools, and the more indirect consequence of shit schools repelling quality teachers and/or resulting in an insanely high turnover rate of the teachers they do hire.

So try to avoid becoming this:

zIUzLpO1kxI
Mike Myers and Chris Tucker don't get enough credit for holding laughter.

[LoginBanned]

this concept is so ridiculous i'm incapable of wrapping my mind around it.

explain your logic.

[open mind]

explain your logic.

except for the most extreme cases being sensitive to discrimination is the opposite of racism.

[LoginBanned]

except for the most extreme cases being sensitive to discrimination is the opposite of racism.

How so?

[open mind]

How so?

i'm just going to assume your a joke account, a pathetic troll, or a combination of both because no one with an ounce of intelligence would ask that question in a serious tone.

[LoginBanned]

i'm just going to assume your a joke account, a pathetic troll, or a combination of both because no one with an ounce of intelligence would ask that question in a serious tone.

So what you're saying is that you're making an emotional argument with nothing to back it up and have resorted to name calling. Like I said before, I can't put it in simpler words. If you're assuming someone is discriminating against someone based on differing ethnicities, then you're making a judgement based on the accused racist's ethnicity, which in turn is mildly racist.

[concernedparent]

Each minority group definitely gets treated very differently from one another. From a more broad angle, I think people that look a certain way get treated a certain way. For example, a white guy who looks like a football jock will probably be treated differently than some white emo kid. Stereotypes exist in everything, and for many minorities this can suck bad I'm sure. But I don't really know because I look white.

[PasosOlvidados]

I think the whole, "she checked my id because I'm a minority" is probably the smallest form of racism or confusion felt by cultural identity through being a minority. A lot of the hardships come much more psychologically. Things that most people don't take into account, the number of teachers or people in authority or successful positions that look/act/remind you of yourself or your minority tends to be one of the more detrimental effects of being a minority. A sense of belonging or ownership of the land one is apart of. Things of this nature are the more hardest to get over.

When I went to Colombia for the first time, it was a rather huge eye opening experience. Its liberating to be in a place where you feel as if you could have been king of the land at some point or another. Where everyones last name is similar to yours and there seems to be a cultural kinship amongst each other that no longer needs explanation.

It's the fact that even though we live here, we lack ownership of many things. There are many lacks for the minority community. The lack of institutions of many Hispanic families in prominent Universities. The lack of accrued wealth through generations of being in one land that many African American or American families do have. These things create a rather large disadvantage, maybe not in every day living, but in the greater scope of ones place in a national community or american cultural consciousness.

[Theseventhson]

So what you're saying is that you're making an emotional argument with nothing to back it up and have resorted to name calling. Like I said before, I can't put it in simpler words. If you're assuming someone is discriminating against someone based on differing ethnicities, then you're making a judgement based on the accused racist's ethnicity, which in turn is mildly racist.
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[LoginBanned]

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If I make a compelling argument and you're limited intellect can't process and make sense of it, there's nothing I can do.

[Theseventhson]

If I make a compelling argument and you're limited intellect can't process and make sense of it, there's nothing I can do.
There was nothing compelling about your argument, it was bullshit.

[threepunchjim]

Mike Myers and Chris Tucker don't get enough credit for holding laughter.

Haha holy hell it's so true. It really is a testament to their talent.

[Machu505]

Yeah guys, let's not call out racism even when it's obvious!

[threepunchjim]

So what you're saying is that you're making an emotional argument with nothing to back it up and have resorted to name calling. Like I said before, I can't put it in simpler words. If you're assuming someone is discriminating against someone based on differing ethnicities, then you're making a judgement based on the accused racist's ethnicity, which in turn is mildly racist.

I can't believe all the shit you're getting. You're right, for the record. As for another example, if a black party of three is higher than a white party of two on the waiting list at a restaurant, and the white party is seated first, that doesn't mean anyone has grounds to assume the host is racist. It's just as likely only seating for two is available at that time, as well as a list of other possible circumstances other than racism.

[diehtc0ke]

I can't believe all the shit you're getting. You're right, for the record. As for another example, if a black party of three is higher than a white party of two on the waiting list at a restaurant, and the white party is seated first, that doesn't mean anyone has grounds to assume the host is racist. It's just as likely only seating for two is available at that time, as well as a list of other possible circumstances other than racism.
How is that analogous to the scene that the op presented?

[threepunchjim]

How is that analogous to the scene that the op presented?

It is in the sense that just because something appears racist doesn't mean it necessarily is. I think we should just be a little more hesitant to slap the racist label on someone. I feel that it's small-scale racism to assume someone is a racist without factual proof or personal confession.

[x togepi x]

It is in the sense that just because something appears racist doesn't mean it necessarily is. I think we should just be a little more hesitant to slap the racist label on someone. I feel that it's small-scale racism to assume someone is a racist without factual proof or personal confession.


that situation doesn't appear to be racist at all.

and it's not "small scale racism" because anyone of any race is capable of being racist. who's to say it's because they're a white person?

[LoginBanned]

There was nothing compelling about your argument, it was bullshit.

What was bull shit about it and why?

[LoginBanned]

I can't believe all the shit you're getting. You're right, for the record. As for another example, if a black party of three is higher than a white party of two on the waiting list at a restaurant, and the white party is seated first, that doesn't mean anyone has grounds to assume the host is racist. It's just as likely only seating for two is available at that time, as well as a list of other possible circumstances other than racism.

I appreciate that. Some people just don't want to let go of the PR they've been fed all their lives and look at things logically. Glad to know there's more of us out there.

[Theseventhson]

What was bull shit about it and why?
Your argument is basically 'it's racist to notice race', which is asinine.

[GeeBee]

Your argument is basically 'it's racist to notice race', which is asinine.

This. Acting like there's no cultural/physical differences is just as ignorant as being upset by those differences.

[LoginBanned]

Your argument is basically 'it's racist to notice race', which is asinine.

This. Acting like there's no cultural/physical differences is just as ignorant as being upset by those differences.

I believe you misunderstood my argument. I was saying assuming someone is racist because they're IDing someone of another race is racist because you're making an assumption based on the cashier being of a different ethnicity as the customer. This can be applied to many situations.

[swirlofhues]

it sucks to be an asian girl at times because i get treated like i'm supposed to be a submissive, docile person. in reality, i am not okay with being taken advantage of and i'm acutely aware of it ever occurring. although, i feel like it's more with demeanor than race, a lot of the time. how you look like will contribute to 80% of how they'll react to you, but if i'm nice and accomodating (like with customers) then they'll take that cue to try and look down on me if they are racist. it's like they sense some sort of weakness and they have to exploit it.

but it's hard to tell if these people are discriminatory against a certain race or if they're just rude people who think they're above everyone. it's not particularly difficult to deal with these things because everyone has gone through these experiences because of age or status. what i've learned is to keep my cool and let these things slide. i know it'll never end but if i am well spoken and calm, then they've literally got nothing on me. or, just sass back in the most polite way possible so they don't know whether to be pleased or angry.

[threepunchjim]

I appreciate that. Some people just don't want to let go of the PR they've been fed all their lives and look at things logically. Glad to know there's more of us out there.

Hey no problem. I have a really hard time debating with people who are incapable of remaining objective and can't detach their emotions from their argument, Haha so yeah, I definitely felt your blues there.

[threepunchjim]

I believe you misunderstood my argument. I was saying assuming someone is racist because they're IDing someone of another race is racist because you're making an assumption based on the cashier being of a different ethnicity as the customer. This can be applied to many situations.

Haha you might as well give up now, because you can't explain it any simpler than you already have. We're racist because we don't assume people are racist. It's just something we'll have to live with. X-)

[rawesome]

I believe you misunderstood my argument. I was saying assuming someone is racist because they're IDing someone of another race is racist because you're making an assumption based on the cashier being of a different ethnicity as the customer. This can be applied to many situations.
I don't believe that you understood their argument. They weren't judging the lady based on her race, but on the way she acted towards someone of a different race.

[caveBEAR]

I believe you misunderstood my argument. I was saying assuming someone is racist because they're IDing someone of another race is racist because you're making an assumption based on the cashier being of a different ethnicity as the customer. This can be applied to many situations.

If you walk up and see a cashier take a black man's credit card, ask for ID, and assume, 'I bet that lady did that because he's black...' then, yes, you'd be right; however, the point the OP (and everyone else) is making is that three other white customers used credit cards when checking out with the white cashier, and none of them were ID'd, but one black man walks up, uses a credit card, and suddenly the cashier needs ID, and needs to intently check it out. That at least smells of racism, even if it wasn't. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[caveBEAR]

Haha you might as well give up now, because you can't explain it any simpler than you already have. We're racist because we don't assume people are racist. It's just something we'll have to live with. X-)

If you walk up and see a cashier take a black man's credit card, ask for ID, and assume, 'I bet that lady did that because he's black...' then, yes, you'd be right; however, the point the OP (and everyone else) is making is that three other white customers used credit cards when checking out with the white cashier, and none of them were ID'd, but one black man walks up, uses a credit card, and suddenly the cashier needs ID, and needs to intently check it out. That at least smells of racism, even if it wasn't. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Feel free to read my post, as I feel it lays out exactly where you guys are missing the point.

[threepunchjim]

Feel free to read my post, as I feel it lays out exactly where you guys are missing the point.

For starters, I love your username. And I largely agree with your post for the most part. There's a distinct likelihood it was racism. However, there is also a distinct likelihood that it wasn't. The evidence is circumstantial and wouldn't hold up in court. I'm not ruling out that she was racist - she very well might have been - but for us to blindly rule out all other possibilities other than racism is, in fact, racist because we would come to that abrupt conclusion without giving her any benefit of the doubt. We would box her into another classic case of white employee discriminating against black customer without having all the facts. On that end of the spectrum, that's where I would see us as racist. Hopefully that lays out more clearly what I'm trying to convey.

[caveBEAR]

For starters, I love your username. And I largely agree with your post for the most part. There's a distinct likelihood it was racism. However, there is also a distinct likelihood that it wasn't. The evidence is circumstantial and wouldn't hold up in court. I'm not ruling out that she was racist - she very well might have been - but for us to blindly rule out all other possibilities other than racism is, in fact, racist because we would come to that abrupt conclusion without giving her any benefit of the doubt. We would box her into another classic case of white employee discriminating against black customer without having all the facts. On that end of the spectrum, that's where I would see us as racist. Hopefully that lays out more clearly what I'm trying to convey.

I guess I just don't view it as 'circumstantial', but I also think I'm using the term 'racist' more gently than you are. I don't think this person is bad or hateful or anything like that, I just think it's kind of stupid to at least not suspect that the black customers race had something to do with asking for the I.D..

[threepunchjim]

I guess I just don't view it as 'circumstantial', but I also think I'm using the term 'racist' more gently than you are. I don't think this person is bad or hateful or anything like that, I just think it's kind of stupid to at least not suspect that the black customers race had something to do with asking for the I.D..

"Suspect." That's the key word. Of course her actions are suspect, but to stamp and finalize her "racism" is where I see the problem. Thankfully, I think we're at the point where we clearly understand each other at some sort of middle ground.

[Wake Up]

it's great to be a minority!

[caveBEAR]

"Suspect." That's the key word. Of course her actions are suspect, but to stamp and finalize her "racism" is where I see the problem. Thankfully, I think we're at the point where we clearly understand each other at some sort of middle ground.

Definitely. I don't like the term 'racist' in the point I'm trying to convey. Maybe 'prejudiced' works better...the proper wording eludes me. My point I'm trying to make is that even though race probably did play a factor in the 'I.D.'ing, I don't think there was anything malicious about it. Again, wasn't there, don't know the parties, but that's what I take away from it. We definitely see each other's middle ground though.

[x togepi x]

"Suspect." That's the key word. Of course her actions are suspect, but to stamp and finalize her "racism" is where I see the problem. Thankfully, I think we're at the point where we clearly understand each other at some sort of middle ground.

You're still missing the point.

I don't think anyone is taking this situation and being like SO TOTALLY RACIST. they're saying it seems racially motivated. it's a mere obvservation, not a super rational end-all-be-all authoritative statement on the matter.. i would agree with you. if OP went back and took some sort of action against her for being racist then you'd have a point, but merely observing that someone might have treated someone differently because of their skin color is not the same thing as you're making it out to be.

we can rationalize the actions of the cashier in a number of ways. maybe she zoned out for a bit while those 3 people went through. maybe she recognized them because they often go through her line so no need to id. maybe she's racist. maybe OP's friend had a credit card that makes you check their ID (my friend does). the point is, all of these are observations, so they're equally valid and not worth flipping out about. especially when OP decided to use that as a jumping point to start a dialogue on what it's like to be a minority since he apparently isn't one.

[Jefferson Rank]

Racism to me means more suspicion or prejudice towards a person because of race rather then outright hatred. If you're defining racism in that sense, then this isn't a strictly racist occurrence, but it may or may not have happened based on the guys race. Thus, prejudice can possibly be inferred, and the question of racism appears.

Suspect or not, if the cashier's choice was racially motivated, that's wrong in my eyes. And if more people see it as wrong then at least there's progress.

[samsara]

There is racism going both ways here. Some people dont like mexicans, other people like mexicans and hate blacks. Mexicans here also hate on black and white people but some dont. So I guess it sucks being any color here.

[LoginBanned]

Hey no problem. I have a really hard time debating with people who are incapable of remaining objective and can't detach their emotions from their argument, Haha so yeah, I definitely felt your blues there.

Yeah but I have to blame myself, there are no winners in message board arguments, we're all losers once we engage.

I don't believe that you understood their argument. They weren't judging the lady based on her race, but on the way she acted towards someone of a different race.

Right but they're judging her based on the fact that she is a different race than the customer. If a woman of the same ethnicity were to ID the customer "racism" would have never entered the equation. Thats all i'm saying.

[LoginBanned]

If you walk up and see a cashier take a black man's credit card, ask for ID, and assume, 'I bet that lady did that because he's black...' then, yes, you'd be right; however, the point the OP (and everyone else) is making is that three other white customers used credit cards when checking out with the white cashier, and none of them were ID'd, but one black man walks up, uses a credit card, and suddenly the cashier needs ID, and needs to intently check it out. That at least smells of racism, even if it wasn't. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

And this particular case could very well have been racism. I wasn't there. I'm just saying that a lot of people are very quick to cry racism when someone of one race has any sort of interaction with someone of another race, which is racist in itself. It's more of a big picture argument than an argument for this particular situation.

[Alaina <3]

There isn't a lot of racism where I live (It's pretty diverse, besides Asian people for some reason...), but there's a ton of bigotry here. It's ridiculous. Everybody's always like "That's so gay" and shit. I have a friend who's gay, and he's pretty much hated by everyone at his school but his friends and science teacher. It's so sad that there are still complete fucking morons in this world...

[caveBEAR]

Right but they're judging her based on the fact that she is a different race than the customer. If a woman of the same ethnicity were to ID the customer "racism" would have never entered the equation. Thats all i'm saying.

If there had been three white customers before him, then the black woman I.D.s the black man, I still would assume his race had something to do with it.

You're the one adding more race to the issue. The only person's race that matters is the person who was affected.

[LoginBanned]

If there had been three white customers before him, then the black woman I.D.s the black man, I still would assume his race had something to do with it.

You're the one adding more race to the issue. The only person's race that matters is the person who was affected.

How am I adding more race to the issue?

[diehtc0ke]

How am I adding more race to the issue?Because you've brought in the race of the cashier. The OP never specified what race the lady was and your opponents are arguing that her race is inconsequential for the scene.

[Mosh]

it sucks to be a minority because i'm expected to be someone that i necessarily am not.

i'm black, and because of that i'm not "supposed" to do things like listen to music that's not rap, play drums, be on absolutepunk or anything that's reserved for "white" people.

[kianacarly]

Peers often forget that I'm Mexican because I'm very, very pale (apparently having the last name Bustamante means nothing), and I hear racist jokes against Mexicans constantly. One time a good friend of mine threw around a Mexican racial slur so casually I actually wasn't sure I heard her right. I asked her to repeat herself, and she didn't see the big deal about it because her mom said it so often too. Because I am so pale, for some reason people find it more acceptable to make Mexican jokes as if I won't be as offended. I've heard nearly everything, the most recent being when I made some remark about how I'm terrible at jumping high (we had to measure how high we could jump in PE), and someone said I should be good at it since my family has such great experience at jumping borders.

Another occasion was when a darker skinned Mexican girl I know loosely took it upon herself to say I wasn't Mexican. She literally said, "on behalf of all the Mexicans, I am denouncing you as a Mexican because you are waaaay too white. I'm sorry, but it's true." I was so shocked I didn't even know how to respond. I get called a 'fake' Mexican all of the time. The majority of my family has tanner skin than I do and often get racially profiled for looking the way they do, but I get harassed for being too white. Can't seem to win.

[Skadrist]

Peers often forget that I'm Mexican because I'm very, very pale (apparently having the last name Bustamante means nothing), and I hear racist jokes against Mexicans constantly. One time a good friend of mine threw around a Mexican racial slur so casually I actually wasn't sure I heard her right. I asked her to repeat herself, and she didn't see the big deal about it because her mom said it so often too. Because I am so pale, for some reason people find it more acceptable to make Mexican jokes as if I won't be as offended. I've heard nearly everything, the most recent being when I made some remark about how I'm terrible at jumping high (we had to measure how high we could jump in PE), and someone said I should be good at it since my family has such great experience at jumping borders.

Another occasion was when a darker skinned Mexican girl I know loosely took it upon herself to say I wasn't Mexican. She literally said, "on behalf of all the Mexicans, I am denouncing you as a Mexican because you are waaaay too white. I'm sorry, but it's true." I was so shocked I didn't even know how to respond. I get called a 'fake' Mexican all of the time. The majority of my family has tanner skin than I do and often get racially profiled for looking the way they do, but I get harassed for being too white. Can't seem to win.


What state are you folks from in Mexico? The only Mexicans that are douches to fair skinned ones tend to be pochos; paisas are cool and these guys have always been able to tel that I am Mexican. People get a huge Mexican vibe off of me and can tell that I am not white.




On the subject minorities do have it way worse than your typical WASPs.

[samsara]

People always question whether or not I'm Mexican because I have freckles and everyday it gets worse.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Peers often forget that I'm Mexican because I'm very, very pale (apparently having the last name Bustamante means nothing), and I hear racist jokes against Mexicans constantly. One time a good friend of mine threw around a Mexican racial slur so casually I actually wasn't sure I heard her right. I asked her to repeat herself, and she didn't see the big deal about it because her mom said it so often too. Because I am so pale, for some reason people find it more acceptable to make Mexican jokes as if I won't be as offended. I've heard nearly everything, the most recent being when I made some remark about how I'm terrible at jumping high (we had to measure how high we could jump in PE), and someone said I should be good at it since my family has such great experience at jumping borders.

Another occasion was when a darker skinned Mexican girl I know loosely took it upon herself to say I wasn't Mexican. She literally said, "on behalf of all the Mexicans, I am denouncing you as a Mexican because you are waaaay too white. I'm sorry, but it's true." I was so shocked I didn't even know how to respond. I get called a 'fake' Mexican all of the time. The majority of my family has tanner skin than I do and often get racially profiled for looking the way they do, but I get harassed for being too white. Can't seem to win.
I get made fun of so often for being Mexican. I'm never offended because I'm used to it but it has gotten to the point where I'm sick of it. Most of the kids who make the jokes and say racist shit are people that are way worse off than my family too. I have no idea how I am all of a sudden just going to tell people to cut the shit with the Mexican jokes but I really am sick of it.

The dumbest thing is even though I'm half-white, know very little Spanish and fit almost no Mexican stereotypes, loads of people automatically assume I was born in Mexico, have two immigrant parents(I only have one) etc. It bugs me.

[kianacarly]

What state are you folks from in Mexico? The only Mexicans that are douches to fair skinned ones tend to be pochos; paisas are cool and these guys have always been able to tel that I am Mexican. People get a huge Mexican vibe off of me and can tell that I am not white.




On the subject minorities do have it way worse than your typical WASPs.

I honestly don't know much about my Mexican heritage because my family doesn't live nearby and I hardly ever get to see them let alone inquire about it, though I have tried. It's funny because if the same people who said I wasn't really Mexican saw my family (most of them are fluent in Spanish, have very tan skin, have an accent, and are just so obviously Mexican) I don't think they would give me grief. My dad is Mexican and tan skinned, but my mom is white and that's where I get my pale skin from. Most of the girls who criticize my pale skin are those ones who have obviously penciled in eyebrows, the heavily winged eyeliner, lipliner way darker than their actual lipcolor, talk in broken Spanish because they like to pretend they're fluent, etc. There are a lot of them in my town.

[Skadrist]

People always question whether or not I'm Mexican because I have freckles and everyday it gets worse.

I have two cousins in Linares, Mexico with red hair.

I get made fun of so often for being Mexican. I'm never offended because I'm used to it but it has gotten to the point where I'm sick of it. Most of the kids who make the jokes and say racist shit are people that are way worse off than my family too. I have no idea how I am all of a sudden just going to tell people to cut the shit with the Mexican jokes but I really am sick of it.

The dumbest thing is even though I'm half-white, know very little Spanish and fit almost no Mexican stereotypes, loads of people automatically assume I was born in Mexico, have two immigrant parents(I only have one) etc. It bugs me.

Idaho is full of racists I hear, not most welcoming of states for any minority I imagine.

[kianacarly]

I get made fun of so often for being Mexican. I'm never offended because I'm used to it but it has gotten to the point where I'm sick of it. Most of the kids who make the jokes and say racist shit are people that are way worse off than my family too. I have no idea how I am all of a sudden just going to tell people to cut the shit with the Mexican jokes but I really am sick of it.

The dumbest thing is even though I'm half-white, know very little Spanish and fit almost no Mexican stereotypes, loads of people automatically assume I was born in Mexico, have two immigrant parents(I only have one) etc. It bugs me.

It's pretty much the same here. While I'm not always extremely offended, it does get really old and I tire of it. Then when I say something about it, people say I'm just too uptight. Same with when I try to correct people when they say "that's gay." I'm just labeled as uptight and they pretty much ignore me or just roll their eyes.

[samsara]

I get made fun of so often for being Mexican. I'm never offended because I'm used to it but it has gotten to the point where I'm sick of it. Most of the kids who make the jokes and say racist shit are people that are way worse off than my family too. I have no idea how I am all of a sudden just going to tell people to cut the shit with the Mexican jokes but I really am sick of it.

The dumbest thing is even though I'm half-white, know very little Spanish and fit almost no Mexican stereotypes, loads of people automatically assume I was born in Mexico, have two immigrant parents(I only have one) etc. It bugs me.

I'm pretty sure my nephew is going to have a hard time because he is also half and live in a northern state.

[samsara]

I have two cousins in Linares, Mexico with red hair.


I have cousins that people refuse to believe I'm related to because they look white.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Idaho is full of racists I hear not most welcoming of states for any minority.
I'm discovering more and more how racist it is. I wouldn't say that the people here are full fledged racists, not even close. I think in their own private homes, they talk shit on blacks and latinos(mormons are especially racist) for being poor, doing crimes etc. I have had some creepy conversations with some extremely racist rednecks, that hate asians, blacks, latinos etc, basically anyone with a different skin color.

Things are getting better here though. The amount of Latino kids at my high school has doubled in the last 10 years, and I think my area is finally getting rid of that racist taint.

[Skadrist]

I have cousins that people refuse to believe I'm related to because they look white.

A few of my mom's siblings actually have olive skin while she is white with dark brown hair. My dad's side is way whiter than my mom's side, my paternal grandmother had the maiden name Charles.

I honestly don't know much about my Mexican heritage because my family doesn't live nearby and I hardly ever get to see them let alone inquire about it, though I have tried. It's funny because if the same people who said I wasn't really Mexican saw my family (most of them are fluent in Spanish, have very tan skin, have an accent, and are just so obviously Mexican) I don't think they would give me grief. My dad is Mexican and tan skinned, but my mom is white and that's where I get my pale skin from. Most of the girls who criticize my pale skin are those ones who have obviously penciled in eyebrows, the heavily winged eyeliner, lipliner way darker than their actual lipcolor, talk in broken Spanish because they like to pretend they're fluent, etc. There are a lot of them in my town.

That sucks. I visit the town of my birth Cadereyta Jimenez, Nuevo Leon often. I speak Spanish and I am equally at home at a Mexican restaurant or pool hall as I am in a hookah bar or an indie show. I speak perfect Spanish. My mom was born in a small ranch town of Los Ramones while my dad was born in Mercedes, Texas the son of migrant farm workers from Linares that where here under the Bracero program.

I'm discovering more and more how racist it is. I wouldn't say that the people here are full fledged racists, not even close. I think in their own private homes, they talk shit on blacks and latinos(mormons are especially racist) for being poor, doing crimes etc. I have had some creepy conversations with some extremely racist rednecks, that hate asians, blacks, latinos etc, basically anyone with a different skin color.

Things are getting better here though. The amount of Latino kids at my high school has doubled in the last 10 years, and I think my area is finally getting rid of that racist taint.

I wonder what they have to say about Mexican mormons.

[samsara]

A few of my mom's siblings actually have olive skin while she is white with dark brown hair. My dad's side is way whiter than my mom's side, my paternal grandmother had the maiden name Charles.


Ha we are lighter because we are also greek and some other stuff.

[kianacarly]

That sucks. I visit the town of my birth Cadereyta Jimenez, Nuevo Leon often. I speak Spanish and I am equally at home at a Mexican restaurant or pool hall as I am in a hookah bar or an indie show. I speak perfect Spanish. My mom was born in a small ranch town of Los Ramones while my dad was born in Mercedes, Texas the son of migrant farm workers from Linares that where here under the Bracero program.


Dang. I've inquired about where my family is from, but my dad never really supplies much. It's funny because my grandma is fluent in Spanish and English is her second language, and every time she visits up here, she insists we go to a certain Mexican restaurant in town because she loves it, and she is always coincidentally the first to order. She'll order and talk in Spanish, and then the waiter will assume the rest of us are fluent and start speaking to us in Spanish. It's always super awkward.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I wonder what they have to say about Mexican mormons.
hahaha that's what I've always thought. When I was in San Luis Potosi quite a few years ago I saw a LDS temple, and it was pretty big too. Most of their racism is towards blacks though.

[Skadrist]

Ha we are lighter because we are also greek and some other stuff.

Fair skinned Mexicans are more common in some regions than others. Lots of them in the Northern States, the State of Jalisco and Mexico City.
If one where to be technical about my Ethnic stock than it would be mostly Mestizo, Basque, Spanish and French.

Dang. I've inquired about where my family is from, but my dad never really supplies much. It's funny because my grandma is fluent in Spanish and English is her second language, and every time she visits up here, she insists we go to a certain Mexican restaurant in town because she loves it, and she is always coincidentally the first to order. She'll order and talk in Spanish, and then the waiter will assume the rest of us are fluent and start speaking to us in Spanish. It's always super awkward.

That sucks that your folks haven't told you from where your folks are from.

hahaha that's what I've always thought. When I was in San Luis Potosi quite a few years ago I saw a LDS temple, and it was pretty big too. Most of their racism is towards blacks though.

Lots of Mormons in the Northern Mexican States particularly in Chihuahua, which has mainstream Mormons and the polygamist types. Mitt Romney is actually the grandkid of a guy that had set a colony up in Chihuahua.

[Wake Up]

It doesnt suck to be native american (seminole).

[x togepi x]

It doesnt suck to be native american (seminole). $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

my cherokee friend would argue with you about that.

[Machu505]

So I was watching ESPN a few months ago, and the Florida State Seminoles had just won a game. The ESPN guy announced this by saying "And the Seminoles scalp X Team..."

I was surprised.

[kianacarly]

Haha, there are a lot of natives where I live, and I was talking to an acquaintance of mine who is native, and she told me this story. My town has the Underground Tours where tourists go underneath the city into the old red light district and various other places in town. Apparently my acquaintance and some of her friends worked with the tour, and the tourguide pointed to them and said, "and if you look over there, there are real native Americans!" Then all of the tourists (who of course are all white old people) awwed like they had never seen such a sight.

It was odd.

[Wake Up]

my cherokee friend would argue with you about that.

i used to live in north georgia and would visit the reservation there. i would agree that being cherokee probably isn't first class. but state of living is different within each tribe. here in florida, being seminole is very much different than that of many other native american tribes. as we were the first to start implementing bingo halls and casinos on our reservations. and to now just a few years ago, buying out Hard Rock International.

[caveBEAR]

I get made fun of so often for being Mexican. I'm never offended because I'm used to it but it has gotten to the point where I'm sick of it. Most of the kids who make the jokes and say racist shit are people that are way worse off than my family too. I have no idea how I am all of a sudden just going to tell people to cut the shit with the Mexican jokes but I really am sick of it.

The dumbest thing is even though I'm half-white, know very little Spanish and fit almost no Mexican stereotypes, loads of people automatically assume I was born in Mexico, have two immigrant parents(I only have one) etc. It bugs me.

Not at all trying to equate this to a race issue, but the parallels made me laugh;

I'm a well-spoken, articulate, semi-excitable, animated, former-Thespian (in high school) straight guy who doesn't feel the need to appear 'manly'. I have received gay jokes all my life, ha ha ha ha, and like you said, even though I'm never offended by it (because why would I be?) I am just sick of it because of the lack of creativity and complete ignorance it shows. Then, when I finally do crack and say something, I'm either 'oh yeah, definitely gay' or a 'prude'.

Friggin' people, right?

[lumenmilitans]

common asian jokes. my eyes aren't that chinky..

[x togepi x]

i used to live in north georgia and would visit the reservation there. i would agree that being cherokee probably isn't first class. but state of living is different within each tribe. here in florida, being seminole is very much different than that of many other native american tribes. as we were the first to start implementing bingo halls and casinos on our reservations. and to now just a few years ago, buying out Hard Rock International.

obviously it's different regarding the specific nations but i thought the census pointed out that native americans are the poorest ethnicity as a whole.

[Wake Up]

obviously it's different regarding the specific nations but i thought the census pointed out that native americans are the poorest ethnicity as a whole.

I couldn't disagree with that at all.

[EasySkankin]

Everyone assumes that where i come from (bolivia) people live in shacks, throw spears at each other, and eat their own children.

[caveBEAR]

Everyone assumes that where i come from (bolivia) people live in shacks, throw spears at each other, and eat their own children.

:squint: They don't? Hmm...learn something new every day...

[Robototron]

Why is this thread 3 pages when the OP literally could've been answered with "yes, obviously."

[AP_Punk]

It doesnt suck to be native american (seminole).

disagree

[Wake Up]

disagree

Are you tribal? if so what tribe and why do you think it 'sucks' to be native american.

[MilesToGo]

I'm discovering more and more how racist it is. I wouldn't say that the people here are full fledged racists, not even close. I think in their own private homes, they talk shit on blacks and latinos(mormons are especially racist) for being poor, doing crimes etc. I have had some creepy conversations with some extremely racist rednecks, that hate asians, blacks, latinos etc, basically anyone with a different skin color.

Things are getting better here though. The amount of Latino kids at my high school has doubled in the last 10 years, and I think my area is finally getting rid of that racist taint.

Yeah, how dare they judge an entire group of people rather than individually!

[captivewear]

Whites will be a minority in America in our lifetimes.
Crazy stuff!

[Wake Up]

Whites will be a minority in America in our lifetimes.
Crazy stuff!

good. they suck


/hahah

[Echo Park]

Hi Thread!

[emilymarie100]

Ugh I work with one of the most self hating racists ever. I work at the mall and anytime a black person would come into the store she would be all over them, she even told security to just watch all the black people! and anytime I would ask her to watch a white person (she would have to because I'm not management so I can't stop them) she would just ignore me!

She has also told me that my family owes her money because she's black and we need to pay because we were slave owners? even though she has no idea the history of my family.



She has some serious issues.

[invincibleXL]

Of course it sucks to be a minority...it's fueled my alcoholism and my depression