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ntb60
06/27/06, 08:11 PM
For a guy who's been out for over two months he looked darn good tonight. The Jays offseason is looking pretty darn good right now with all of their major aquisitions contributing significantly. The Jays will be challenging for the wildcard at least with Burnett, Halladay, Janssen and Ted Lilly leading the way. Thoughts?
bigmike
06/27/06, 08:12 PM
if you're thinking ted lilly is leading the way to anything near a playoff spot you're mistaken. he's nothing but mediocre. on a good day.
ntb60
06/27/06, 08:16 PM
He's a little too inconsistent for my liking but as a third or fourth starter I can tolerate it.
bigmike
06/27/06, 08:17 PM
He's a little too inconsistent for my liking but as a third or fourth starter I can tolerate it.
meh. is chacin hurt? i'd say they have a shot with a healthy, effective burnett, halladay and a healthy, effective chacin. but the bullpen still is going to blow it for them until they beef that up.
Yankees' #1 Fan
06/27/06, 08:18 PM
lets now start threads for every #2 starter in the majors.
ntb60
06/27/06, 08:19 PM
Chacin is out right now and he hasn't been as good as he was last year. We do need him back. Our bullpen's ok at the back end with B.J. Ryan shutting people down but the middle is a bit of mess.
bigmike
06/27/06, 08:20 PM
"a bit of a mess" is a bit of an understatement.
josiahh
06/27/06, 08:22 PM
he looked unstoppable tonight.

lilly has looked brilliant at times and absolutely terrible at other times.

janssen has gone in the tank, he's been awful his past 3 or 4 starts.

chacin, should be back in august and will hopefully be effective.

and other than ryan, the bullpen has been suspect at best.

the biggest disappointment is definitely towers.

i don't think they'll make it this year, but if they can shore up the bullpen in the offseason, they'll be looking pretty damn good pretty damn soon.
ntb60
06/27/06, 08:23 PM
Seems nearly 100% of the teams currently in a playoff race need bullpen help though so the odds of the Jays picking anyone half decent up seems a little steep. Believe me I am hoping though and we do have some good bats that we could stand to give up.
mikeford
06/27/06, 08:41 PM
i give it a month til hes back on the DL

anyone who objects clearly hasnt followed his career
Yankees' #1 Fan
06/27/06, 09:13 PM
how many games has he started this year?
ntb60
06/27/06, 09:19 PM
i give it a month til hes back on the DL

anyone who objects clearly hasnt followed his career


I can hope though. Not to jinx him but Troy Glaus has been on the DL a bunch throughout his career but has avodied such a fate thus far.

Burnett has only started 3 or 4 games this year I believe. Maybe only 3. 2 since he's come off the dl a couple weeks ago though.
ntb60
06/27/06, 09:22 PM
the biggest disappointment is definitely towers.




Haha. Josh Towers. Just got sent back down to Syracuse today in favor of Pete Walker coming off the injured list. That should say something. That and his 9.11 ERA and 1-9 record. My word what a waste of money he's turning out to be.
StandMyBrothers
06/27/06, 11:23 PM
Josh Towers is the only Blue Jay allowed to have his own thread.
mikeford
06/27/06, 11:40 PM
josh towers has to come back to the MLB so he can recieve his award named after him.
Clarett'sGreyGoose
06/27/06, 11:43 PM
josh towers has to come back to the MLB so he can recieve his award named after him.
hey mike here's a question... behind Towers the front runner was looking like Jorge Sosa.

Now that he's (God help us) the Braves "closer" is he still eligible for the award, or was it only for starting pitchers?
bigmike
06/27/06, 11:47 PM
hey mike here's a question... behind Towers the front runner was looking like Jorge Sosa.

Now that he's (God help us) the Braves "closer" is he still eligible for the award, or was it only for starting pitchers?
haha oh man, i forgot he was being tried as the closer. I was watching the game in Tampa where he came in and like 1 guy got on and boom! two guys up in the pen immediately. I was like 'oh wow.'


And i pray to god that we don't trade zumaya for smoltz. I'd love for him to come back here, that's great. But not for Joel Zumaya. Take back Roman Colon and Zach Miner or something, if you'd like, i don't care. Just not Zumaya.
Clarett'sGreyGoose
06/27/06, 11:50 PM
haha oh man, i forgot he was being tried as the closer. I was watching the game in Tampa where he came in and like 1 guy got on and boom! two guys up in the pen immediately. I was like 'oh wow.'


And i pray to god that we don't trade zumaya for smoltz. I'd love for him to come back here, that's great. But not for Joel Zumaya. Take back Roman Colon and Zach Miner or something, if you'd like, i don't care. Just not Zumaya.
oh god I'm just thinking of the comfort having Zumaya would bring.

BTW Sosa as the closer: 1-0, 1 save. 0 ER, 1 hit in 3 IP

...I don't expect it to last but it looks good for now
bigmike
06/27/06, 11:51 PM
oh god I'm just thinking of the comfort having Zumaya would bring.

BTW Sosa as the closer: 1-0, 1 save. 0 ER, 1 hit in 3 IP

...I don't expect it to last but it looks good for now
yeah. hopefully, for the braves sake he holds up for this year and we don't give them zumaya.

I actually don't like us going out looking for another starter at all. I think a left handed bat would be a more pressing need, but that's just me.
Clarett'sGreyGoose
06/27/06, 11:54 PM
yeah. hopefully, for the braves sake he holds up for this year and we don't give them zumaya.

I actually don't like us going out looking for another starter at all. I think a left handed bat would be a more pressing need, but that's just me.
You know what pisses me off now that I look back on it, with the exception of Smoltz, the Braves closers have always been SHIT during "The Run"

Ones that I can remember: Kerry Ligtenberg, Mark Wohlers, John Rocker. Last year alone was Dan Kolb, Chris Reitsma and Kyle Farnsworth
mikeford
06/27/06, 11:54 PM
Jorge Sosa is very much still in the running. The award can definitely apply to closers. The only thing is though, if he fails at being the closer, he's gonna get moved from that role and just stuck in middle relief, where he probably won't get enough appearances to really rack up those L's or in the closer case, Blown Saves.
Clarett'sGreyGoose
06/27/06, 11:55 PM
Jorge Sosa is very much still in the running. The award can definitely apply to closers. The only thing is though, if he fails at being the closer, he's gonna get moved from that role and just stuck in middle relief, where he probably won't get enough appearances to really rack up those L's or in the closer case, Blown Saves.
or the Braves will just have ANOTHER injury and he'll go back to the rotation.
bigmike
06/27/06, 11:56 PM
You know what pisses me off now that I look back on it, with the exception of Smoltz, the Braves closers have always been SHIT during "The Run"

Ones that I can remember: Kerry Ligtenberg, Mark Wohlers, John Rocker. Last year alone was Dan Kolb, Chris Reitsma and Kyle Farnsworth
it looked like mark wohlers would have been the closer for years to come until he just lost it.

wasn't Tim Spooneybarger one or was he just a reliever?
mikeford
06/28/06, 12:04 AM
Tim Spooneybarger is THE SHIT in MVP 2005
Clarett'sGreyGoose
06/28/06, 12:11 AM
it looked like mark wohlers would have been the closer for years to come until he just lost it.

wasn't Tim Spooneybarger one or was he just a reliever?
Spooney was a closer for a short while too. I actually think he was right around the same time as Ligtenberg.

....Which one of them had the bad ass mutton chops?
bigmike
06/28/06, 12:20 AM
Spooney was a closer for a short while too. I actually think he was right around the same time as Ligtenberg.

....Which one of them had the bad ass mutton chops?
i'm pretty sure that was lightenberg.
bigmike
06/28/06, 12:20 AM
Tim Spooneybarger is THE SHIT in MVP 2005
Is he? i haven't ever used him or payed much attention to him in the game.
mikeford
06/28/06, 12:59 AM
hes on the marlins AAA team but hes VERY effective if you trade for him and use him out of the MLB pen.
bigmike
06/28/06, 01:23 AM
hes on the marlins AAA team but hes VERY effective if you trade for him and use him out of the MLB pen.
hm. interesting.
ntb60
06/28/06, 06:16 AM
Yeah the Tigers definitely have one of the best bullpens in baseball with Zumaya and Rodney but then there's Todd Jones who's bringing it down. That guy is horrible this year.
Brownpants06
06/28/06, 07:33 AM
Haha another Burnett thread, oh no.

We'll need another quality starter before we can challange deep into the playoffs. Lilly, Chacin and Janssen are far too inconsistant. Most of their come because they get the offensive support (At least most of Chacin's wins, anyway). But at least when he gets back we'll have a good 1, 2, 3 pitcher lineup
LeftWideOpen
06/28/06, 07:52 AM
hey mike here's a question... behind Towers the front runner was looking like Jorge Sosa.

Now that he's (God help us) the Braves "closer" is he still eligible for the award, or was it only for starting pitchers?

wow, the front office really needs to get on the phones and get SOMEBODY to close games.

i'm sure rudy seanez is available!
histrionics22
06/28/06, 01:22 PM
lets now start threads for every #2 starter in the majors.
A fellow Sox fan made a thread about how he was out to start the season. Stop being a dick to everyone.
bigmike
06/28/06, 04:32 PM
wow, the front office really needs to get on the phones and get SOMEBODY to close games.

i'm sure rudy seanez is available!
No dude, we totally need to trade Todd Jones and someone else to them if we're going to go through with the John Smoltz deal (which is apparently still be discussed...). They can take back Roman Colon because i know Scheurholz didn't want to give him up in that trade for Farnsworth, so they can have him back if he wants. just please, take todd jones.



A fellow Sox fan made a thread about how he was out to start the season. Stop being a dick to everyone.
yeah, um, he made that thread to make fun of the blue jays/aj burnett... there's the difference.
ntb60
06/28/06, 05:14 PM
No dude, we totally need to trade Todd Jones and someone else to them if we're going to go through with the John Smoltz deal (which is apparently still be discussed...).


Todd Jones is hilariously bad this year. Him, Jorge Sosa, Ryan Dempster and Josh Towers are all on about the same level.
bigmike
06/28/06, 05:28 PM
Todd Jones is hilariously bad this year. Him, Jorge Sosa, Ryan Dempster and Josh Towers are all on about the same level.
okay, i don't like todd jones but he isn't on the same level as sosa or towers. and dempster's bad because he is always in in non save situations, which is a bad thing for a closer.
xbrokendownx
06/28/06, 05:29 PM
Todd Jones is hilariously bad this year. Him, Jorge Sosa, Ryan Dempster and Josh Towers are all on about the same level.






there is NO ONE on the same level as josh towers
ntb60
06/28/06, 05:32 PM
The worst thing about Mr. Towers is that they just hooked him up with a 2 year deal after his decent year last season. Bet J.P. is regretting that now. His one dud of a move last offseason
histrionics22
06/28/06, 08:55 PM
yeah, um, he made that thread to make fun of the blue jays/aj burnett... there's the difference.

I realize that. So now there's one about how he came back and is doing well. Theclearstuff is still a dick for no reason.
Yankees' #1 Fan
06/28/06, 09:17 PM
dont take a thread offtopic because of your mancrush on me pansyboy
histrionics22
06/29/06, 05:47 PM
dont take a thread offtopic because of your mancrush on me pansyboy
How about you try and be respectful like 99% of the other people on here.
Yankees' #1 Fan
06/29/06, 05:58 PM
oh shut up and go play with your bratz dolls