Scott Rolen Appreciation Thread.

[existentialism.]

here here

[xbrokendownx]

i guess i can appreciate him since i have him on 2 of my fantasy teams

[bigmike]

yeah. I can appreciate him being the 2nd best 3B in the NL.

[Caleb Cattivera]

yeah. I can appreciate him being the 2nd best 3B in the NL.

who's first? rolen's the best defensive third baseman in the nl.

[bigmike]

who's first? rolen's the best defensive third baseman in the nl.
David Wright, in my book.

Wright's got 9 errors
Rolen's got 6 errors.

I'll sacrifice that difference for Wright being 8 years younger with an equally potent, if not better, bat and leadership.

[existentialism.]

what makes you think wright is anymore of a leader than rolen. i haven't been in the cards clubhouse so i wouldn't know, you haven't been in the mets clubhouse so you have nothing to prove that as being true.

[justinevans]

David Wright, in my book.

Wright's got 9 errors
Rolen's got 6 errors.

I'll sacrifice that difference for Wright being 8 years younger with an equally potent, if not better, bat and leadership.

what about Zimmerman?

[justinevans]

David Wright, in my book.

Wright's got 9 errors
Rolen's got 6 errors.

I'll sacrifice that difference for Wright being 8 years younger with an equally potent, if not better, bat and leadership.

also Wright is 8th in the NL alone for fielding % among 3b.

[xearlynovemberx]

who's first? rolen's the best defensive third baseman in the nl.

david wright is the better all around 3b

[Caleb Cattivera]

David Wright, in my book.

Wright's got 9 errors
Rolen's got 6 errors.

I'll sacrifice that difference for Wright being 8 years younger with an equally potent, if not better, bat and leadership.

when david wright wins five gold gloves in a row...call me. until then. no chance.

[justinevans]

david wright is the better all around 3b

all he has is 8 more hrs and 14 more rbis in 62 more at bats.

[bigmike]

when david wright wins five gold gloves in a row...call me. until then. no chance.
rolen has the better career. awesome.

But right now, at this exact moment, I'd take david wright.

but i'll call you caleb when the Cardinals are on their way home after the 1st round of the playoffs this year.

[SePaMc]

rolen is on my fantasy team. so sure.

[Caleb Cattivera]

rolen has the better career. awesome.

But right now, at this exact moment, I'd take david wright.

but i'll call you caleb when the Cardinals are on their way home after the 1st round of the playoffs this year.

haha funny. now you're tlaking out of your ass.

[bigmike]

haha funny. now you're tlaking out of your ass.
I'm talking out of my ass? interesting. I was pretty sure I was just typing.

[Broken Parachute]

I like Scott Rolen. He's a better defensive player than any 3rd basemen in the NL right now.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I'm talking out of my ass? interesting. I was pretty sure I was just typing.

uh uh i meant you're typing with your ass. um yeah.

[bigmike]

uh uh i meant you're typing with your ass. um yeah.
haha, oh caleb.

Yes, rolen is an outstanding 3B. but right now, considering all factors, I'd take Wright over Rolen, that's all.

[wessa]

when david wright wins five gold gloves in a row...call me. until then. no chance.

that is pretty weak caleb, wright has been in the league for a year and a half. That comment reminds me of when my uncle and I got into a mets vs yankees debate the year of the subway series. I made a good point about the mets being better and he says, "Oh yeah, how many championships have the mets won?"

That being said, I am a mets fan but i cant say that wright is better this year because rolen is playing out of his mind. I honestly think at this point in the season it is a straight toss up, i would maybe give the smallest edge to wright because his team has the better record and may have already won the division, and he has been the best player on that team.

[histrionics22]

It's not like Rolen is a grisled veteran or anything. He may be knicked up a bit, but he's still only 31. He's the best defensive 3b in the league and the offense with Wright is a push right now.

[Caleb Cattivera]

that is pretty weak caleb, wright has been in the league for a year and a half. That comment reminds me of when my uncle and I got into a mets vs yankees debate the year of the subway series. I made a good point about the mets being better and he says, "Oh yeah, how many championships have the mets won?"

That being said, I am a mets fan but i cant say that wright is better this year because rolen is playing out of his mind. I honestly think at this point in the season it is a straight toss up, i would maybe give the smallest edge to wright because his team has the better record and may have already won the division, and he has been the best player on that team.

yeah it is weak. but i couldnt think of anything better. get off my nuts sonnn.

how you been? i havent talked to you in a while.

[Broken Parachute]

It's not like Rolen is a grisled veteran or anything. He may be knicked up a bit, but he's still only 31. He's the best defensive 3b in the league and the offense with Wright is a push right now.
Yeah, David Wright is just having a push...18 HR's, 64 RBI's, .327 batting average, 11 stolen bases. He's just having a push right now, not a good season or anything.

[justinevans]

Yeah, David Wright is just having a push...18 HR's, 64 RBI's, .327 batting average, 11 stolen bases. He's just having a push right now, not a good season or anything.

a push means rolen and wright are pretty much equal offensively.

[histrionics22]

Yeah, David Wright is just having a push...18 HR's, 64 RBI's, .327 batting average, 11 stolen bases. He's just having a push right now, not a good season or anything.
Eckk I meant him and Rolen are pretty much even. Like in gambling on two even teams.

[Broken Parachute]

a push means rolen and wright are pretty much equal offensively.
Well, even if I misunderstood, they really aren't. Wright has him offensively and Rolen has him defensively.

David Wright
.327, 18 HR, 64 RBI, 11 SB, .587 SLG

Scott Rolen
.344, 10 HR, 50 RBI, 4 SB, .568 SLG

So with hitting, Wright has the advantage.

David Wright
9 errors in 127 attempts, 76 games started, .951 FP%

Scott Rolen
6 errors in 167 attempts, 65 games started, .972 FP%

So obviously Rolen owns him in the defensive category. Even though Wright has played more games, Rolen has less errors and more attempts. I would take Rolen defensively any day. Wright is getting better, but he's no Rolen.

Overall for the year, I think Wright is having a better year..but you can't honestly say that without thinking of Rolen because of the year he's having. Honestly, I'd take either of them. They'll probably both make the All Star team so it's not like one is an all star and one isn't.

[Broken Parachute]

Eckk I meant him and Rolen are pretty much even. Like in gambling on two even teams. Yeah sorry I didn't get what you meant.

[justinevans]

Well, even if I misunderstood, they really aren't. Wright has him offensively and Rolen has him defensively.

David Wright
.327, 18 HR, 64 RBI, 11 SB, .587 SLG

Scott Rolen
.344, 10 HR, 50 RBI, 4 SB, .568 SLG

So with hitting, Wright has the advantage.

David Wright
9 errors in 127 attempts, 76 games started, .951 FP%

Scott Rolen
6 errors in 167 attempts, 65 games started, .972 FP%

So obviously Rolen owns him in the defensive category. Even though Wright has played more games, Rolen has less errors and more attempts. I would take Rolen defensively any day. Wright is getting better, but he's no Rolen.

Overall for the year, I think Wright is having a better year..but you can't honestly say that without thinking of Rolen because of the year he's having. Honestly, I'd take either of them. They'll probably both make the All Star team so it's not like one is an all star and one isn't.

Wright also has 50+ more plate appearences. However Wright has had a hot month. Rolen is just heating up. Wright has 10 hrs in June.

[Broken Parachute]

Wright also has 50+ more plate appearences. However Wright has had a hot month. Rolen is just heating up. Wright has 10 hrs in June.
Yeah if you take away that road trip Wright had where he batted like .380 with those 6 HR's..then he's just having a mediocre season. He's cooled down now though, I wish he'd get hot again.

[histrionics22]

Yeah if you take away that road trip Wright had where he batted like .380 with those 6 HR's..then he's just having a mediocre season. He's cooled down now though, I wish he'd get hot again.
Yea but you cant take out any streak because it all evens out in the end. Haha. I love when people say "well if you take out his 4 bad starts". You cant take out his 4 bad starts. Thats the point in playing all the games.

But yeah, Rolen has been playing hurt and missed some games. He also carried the team when Pujols was out. Both are doing very well this year and are deserving of the All-star team.

[StandMyBrothers]

Rolen is awesome and was the one carrying the Cards when Pujols was out, Sure we lost a lot of games in that stretch, but its Rolen that has been carrying us through.

[bigmike]

Rolen is awesome and was the one carrying the Cards when Pujols was out, Sure we lost a lot of games in that stretch, but its Rolen that has been carrying us through.
haha, what team is yours? You've got the twins reppin' in your sig and now claiming the cards as "yours" and you're in california. pick a team :)

[justinevans]

haha, what team is yours? You've got the twins reppin' in your sig and now claiming the cards as "yours" and you're in california. pick a team :)

yeah if you root for two teams, there is no we lol. Though I never understood the we thing anyway, I still say it sometimes. Just not when it comes to baseball.

[Broken Parachute]

For me, Mets come first Astros come second. I hardly even talk about the Astros. They suck.

[xbrokendownx]

yankees, and whoever beats the red sox

[StandMyBrothers]

haha, what team is yours? You've got the twins reppin' in your sig and now claiming the cards as "yours" and you're in california. pick a team :)
American League:Twins
National League:Cardinals
besides, I never am able to watch their games unless their on ESPN/ESPN 2 or when they play the Angels, Dodgers, or Braves
And I also cheer for whoever plays the Dodgers or Angels because both those teams are #$(@(**&@@$&@($@ gay! I've always had both teams in my sig, scroll down

[bigmike]

American League:Twins
National League:Cardinals
besides, I never am able to watch their games unless their on ESPN/ESPN 2 or when they play the Angels, Dodgers, or Braves
And I also cheer for whoever plays the Dodgers or Angels because both those teams are #$(@(**&@@$&@($@ gay! I've always had both teams in my sig, scroll down
I know, i was giving you a hard time, you frontrunning, fairweather fan!

[histrionics22]

American League:Twins
National League:Cardinals
besides, I never am able to watch their games unless their on ESPN/ESPN 2 or when they play the Angels, Dodgers, or Braves
And I also cheer for whoever plays the Dodgers or Angels because both those teams are #$(@(**&@@$&@($@ gay! I've always had both teams in my sig, scroll down
It's ok. It's Pirates first, Cardinals second for me.

[wessa]

yeah it is weak. but i couldnt think of anything better. get off my nuts sonnn.

how you been? i havent talked to you in a while.

i'll give you a pass this time. I've beengood, got myself a job next year, teaching 5th grade in brooklyn, so im pumped.

[GFritz]

Can anyone argue though that they'd take Wright in the playoffs over Rolen? I'd pick the veteran everytime.

Also i think i'm the only girl in this thread...

[Caleb Cattivera]

i'll give you a pass this time. I've beengood, got myself a job next year, teaching 5th grade in brooklyn, so im pumped.

congrats man! thats awesome.

as for standmybrothers, he's been a cards fan since ive been coming in these forums and that's a long time. he's legit.

as for me. it goes cardinals, cardinals and well cardinals. i cant bring myself to root for anyone else.

[bigmike]

congrats man! thats awesome.

as for standmybrothers, he's been a cards fan since ive been coming in these forums and that's a long time. he's legit.

as for me. it goes cardinals, cardinals and well cardinals. i cant bring myself to root for anyone else.
yeah, yeah, yeah. :rolleyes:

whatever happened to that move to Cali? is that still happening?

[xbrokendownx]

Can anyone argue though that they'd take Wright in the playoffs over Rolen? I'd pick the veteran everytime.

Also i think i'm the only girl in this thread...





yeah, not many girls venture into the abyss that is the sports forum

[Burnout2888]

here here
Hello fellow St. Louis citizen. Where ya located?

[GFritz]

yeah, not many girls venture into the abyss that is the sports forum

Haha yeah I'm sure.

Hey I almost went to Villanova...but I'm going to Rhodes instead.

[xbrokendownx]

Haha yeah I'm sure.

Hey I almost went to Villanova...but I'm going to Rhodes instead.




oh wow..long trek from texas huh? thats cool though

[Goodbye Forever]

Can anyone argue though that they'd take Wright in the playoffs over Rolen? I'd pick the veteran everytime.

Rolen has a .190 BA and 1 HR in 17 postseason games. He went 0 for 15 in his one World Series appearence. I'll take my chances.

[bigmike]

Rolen has a .190 BA and 1 HR in 17 postseason games. He went 0 for 15 in his one World Series appearence. I'll take my chances.
clutch.

"But what about his Defense!!!!!!"

[Goodbye Forever]

For every error David Wright makes, he makes one out of this world play. He does need to work on his arm, though.

[justinevans]

i think ryan zimmerman is the best defensively.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Runs Created Per Game:
Rolen: 8.3
Wright: 9.1
Zimmerman: 5.5
Cabrera: 9.9

Gross Production Average (better version of OPS)
Rolen: .330
Wright: .336
Zimmerman: .275
Cabrera: .356

you all lose. :)

however, wright > rolen.

[StandMyBrothers]

Zimmerman is what, 22? Wright is 23. Going to be a hella of a 3rd Base Gold Glove competiton for the next 12 years

[GFritz]

Rolen has a .190 BA and 1 HR in 17 postseason games. He went 0 for 15 in his one World Series appearence. I'll take my chances.

Even the guys on baseball tonight were talking about taking veteran players (jeter and a-rod) over wright in the postseason.

It was his first world series appearance. And he sucked it up, so did the rest of the team. But now he has EXPERIENCE. He's been there, he knows what its like. Wright doesn't.

[Goodbye Forever]

Experience is 100% irrelevant until you actually show you've learned from it.

[bigmike]

Even the guys on baseball tonight were talking about taking veteran players (jeter and a-rod) over wright in the postseason.

It was his first world series appearance. And he sucked it up, so did the rest of the team. But now he has EXPERIENCE. He's been there, he knows what its like. Wright doesn't.
and that's all nice and good but they aren't going to the WS if Mulder's still got a bum arm, carpenter is still "eh.." and their best picture is andy reyes. so he can use that "experience" to figure out what type of tostitos chips to use with his con-queso dip.

[xbrokendownx]

and that's all nice and good but they aren't going to the WS if Mulder's still got a bum arm, carpenter is still "eh.." and their best picture is anthony reyes. so he can use that "experience" to figure out what type of tostitos chips to use with his con-queso dip.




fixed. :)

[bigmike]

fixed. :)
basically my point exactly. No one knows who the kid is.

[StandMyBrothers]

I knew this kid since last year...he was awesome in the Spot Starts he did last year

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Even the guys on baseball tonight were talking about taking veteran players (jeter and a-rod) over wright in the postseason.

It was his first world series appearance. And he sucked it up, so did the rest of the team. But now he has EXPERIENCE. He's been there, he knows what its like. Wright doesn't.
Those guys on baseball tonight talk out of their ass most of the time. It was the first time for a lot of Red Sox players as well as it was for Rolen and they did just fine. Rolen was beat by better pitching, end of story.

[StandMyBrothers]

BTW Did that ball Pujols hit off Lidge ever land yet?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Runs Created Per Game:
Rolen: 8.3
Wright: 9.1
Zimmerman: 5.5
Cabrera: 9.9

Gross Production Average (better version of OPS)
Rolen: .330
Wright: .336
Zimmerman: .275
Cabrera: .356

you all lose. :)

however, wright > rolen.
come on, lets debate this. I think you guys are on to something.

[Broken Parachute]

Even the guys on baseball tonight were talking about taking veteran players (jeter and a-rod) over wright in the postseason.

It was his first world series appearance. And he sucked it up, so did the rest of the team. But now he has EXPERIENCE. He's been there, he knows what its like. Wright doesn't.
That means shit. And who would want Double Play-Rod to start at 3rd base in the playoffs? Mr. Choke himself.

I'd take my chances and let Wright start over Rolen in the playoffs.

[bigmike]

come on, lets debate this. I think you guys are on to something.
I don't need to debate. I said i'd take Wright over Rolen as of today.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I meant Cabrera

[Burnout2888]

basically my point exactly. No one knows who the kid is.
No one knew Albert Pujols when he started. Look where he's at now.

Anthony Reyes is going places.

[Burnout2888]

BTW Did that ball Pujols hit off Lidge ever land yet?
Hahaha, pwnt.

ESPN did this thing about Lidge's stats ever since that grand slam he hit in the NLCS (which I of course, being a St. Louisian, watched.) His stats since then are unbelieveable. His numbers plummeted.

[bigmike]

No one knew Albert Pujols when he started. Look where he's at now.

Anthony Reyes is going places.
oh. so in 5 years I expect Anthony Reyes to have the best numbers ever put up by a pitcher in the history of the game for a 5 years stint to start a career.

[StandMyBrothers]

oh. so in 5 years I expect Anthony Reyes to have the best numbers ever put up by a pitcher in the history of the game for a 5 years stint to start a career.
haha yes :D