I just wrote the definitive SKRAMZ article!!!

[StuffUWillHate]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8TJYl4uc3lQ/S0E_zwKbYqI/AAAAAAAAB8U/GRAvS_5ufis/s400/TEMP-Image_1_9.png

Thx to my bro Alex from Fight Fair (http://myspace.com/fightfair) for the pics and assorted info- don't miss them on Warped Tour this summer!Back in the mid-90s, we used the term "screamo" to refer to bands like Anasarca, Antioch Arrow (http://www.urbanhonking.com/greatestband/archives/2004/07/im_sorry_but_i.html), Constantine Sankhati, Swing Kids, etc. These bands were into wearing sweaters, tight black pants, and dyed-black bowl haircuts. We often called them "spock rockers" because they looked like Dr. Spock from Star Trek.

After The Locust got popular and dumb kids who didn't come up in the DIY hardcore scene got into screamo, shitty bands like Thursday and My Chemical Romance showed up and ruined it for everybody. I guess that is when ppl started using the term "skramz" as a way of saying "we also scream a lot in our songs, but we do not shop at Hot Topic like the ghey fggts in those bands u like."
READ MORE:
Stuff You Will Hate: DO U <3 TEH SKRAMZ LYFE??? (http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/2010/01/do-u-3-teh-skramz-lyfe.html)

[Rawrr]

Stick to posting on VLV

[IntoTheSun]

Ugh.

[StuffUWillHate]

Female - 17 Years Old
3,699 Posts (http://www.absolutepunk.net/search.php?do=finduser&u=1040862)

[Rawrr]

1) I'm happy you mentioned that Rentamerica story, one of the better storys coming from that time period/scene. It's a shame their songs on that split with Agnes Moraine's Autobiography were so bad, like honestly some of the worst hit I've ever heard.
2) What's your opinion on Navio Forge? I don't really like this genre that much, but that LP they put out is some of the best stuff from this scene.
3)Are you behind the fake account Alexbigman on VLV? Thanx.

[StuffUWillHate]

1. Rentamerica were honestly fucking SICKKKKKKK live, like REAL fucking intense and amazing Copout-style hardcore. I only heard them recorded once but FUCK, so good!!! Wish they would have played more.
2. I don't like screamo, but I know a lot of people love Navio Forge so I am sure they are good at what they do
3. LOL I'm sure you know that VLV legend alexbigman is really Alex from Fight Fair

[SickOfStars]

well, I thought it was funny, and I listen to some of these bands. No one points out how ridiculous this kind of stuff can get, and apparently was (I am a bit of a young'un, just narrowly missed the whole spock thing haha).

I've been laughing at the blog for a while now, by the way. Just letting you know :-) Well done.

[Rawrr]

Alex Bigman is ridiculous, I know he posted on CMHWAK but I just assumed that account on VLV was a fake

[KingJohn_654]

"While I mostly listen to Forever The Sickest Kids and Brokencyde now..."


hahaha

[StuffUWillHate]

Alex Bigman is ridiculous, I know he posted on CMHWAK but I just assumed that account on VLV was a fake
No sir, it's him 10000%- he's real fucking cool, great dude! I didn't make up any of the stuff about him in that post, he sent me all those pics. Hilarious guy and I 10000000% non-ironically love Fight Fair!

[SophGod]

you called Thursday shitty so i stopped reading.

[StuffUWillHate]

Male - 17 Years Old

[shit stroll]

someone please explain to me who this alex guy is and why the hell people call him the "king of skramz" or whatever.

[Rawrr]

someone please explain to me who this alex guy is and why the hell people call him the "king of skramz" or whatever.
Alex Bigman was in the band Seeing Means More, and more recently (and hilariously) in that terrible pop-punk band called Fight Fair. He joking made up the term "Skramz" on the old message board CMHWAK and it stuck
you called Thursday shitty so i stopped reading.
Because it's true.

[StuffUWillHate]

What he said, except that Fight Fair are fucking GREAT and will blow the fuck up in 2010

[Cuddleworthy]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8TJYl4uc3lQ/S0FFr0OA0CI/AAAAAAAAB8c/XXqDMyFHZl4/s400/nohappy1.jpg

[Robototron]

Wish I went to HS at Miramonte High School in Orinda, California (home of Fight Fair, Seeing Means More and Set Your Goals)
Weird, I went to middle school in Orinda (would've gone to Miramonte, but I moved to LA) and I had no idea any of those bands were from there.

lol I'm reading that thread on VLV and it's kind of funny to hear people talking all that Campo v Miramonte shit like it actually matters. That whole area sucked and I was so fucking glad when I got out of there.

[anamericangod]

Okay.

[ikikwe]

The homophobic and condescending tone in your article makes it read like a piece of shit. Take your weird pseudo West Coast elitism somewhere else. No one cares.

[StuffUWillHate]

U butthurt bc our schools are better than yours??? Entry level, bro!!

[ikikwe]

What?

[Robototron]

The homophobic and condescending tone in your article makes it read like a piece of shit. Take your weird pseudo West Coast elitism somewhere else. No one cares.

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/

This is the blog he's trying to rip off. It is now absurdly popular despite never actually being funny and is basically satirizing itself at this point, so I'm not sure why anyone would want to copy it?

[StuffUWillHate]

I have a "posts in the style of hipster runoff" tag. Blatantly stealing the HRO style is a pretty funny joke IMO and I think Carles would approve.

BTW here is me on HRO:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/24941840-f3f6008b9caa4e4b02f8bc4e4f.jpg

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/08/does-iamcarles-need-a-long-sleeve-product-for-tatbros.html

[Robototron]

I have a "posts in the style of hipster runoff" tag. Blatantly stealing the HRO style is a pretty funny joke IMO and I think Carles would approve.

BTW here is me on HRO:

Why do you think it's pretty funny to rip it off? I'm curious, because to me it just seems like you're not quite in on the joke and generally missing the point of the blog.

I was under the impression that Hipster Runoff's entire schtick was making fun of the confused consumerism and conformity (accidental alliteration!) of the 00s hipster. So by copying it (and appearing on his blog wearing HRO merch) you're basically a self-fulfilling prophecy in that you're everything he's satirizing. Or is that the joke?

Mostly I find his writing style more annoying than anything else, though, so I haven't really read it that closely except for a few of his early posts (when he actually seemed to recommend things while still making fun of them) and some of his more recent infamous ones.

I find the whole phenomenon rather baffling, though, especially when you now have the New York Times and others writing serious articles about him and the blog. I'm never sure what about him I'm supposed to take seriously, if anything at all.

[StuffUWillHate]

"By copying it (and appearing on his blog wearing HRO merch) you're basically a self-fulfilling prophecy in that you're everything he's satirizing. Or is that the joke?"

Precisely.

Oh, and the best way I heard someone sum up HRO is "making fun of people who think listening to music is an accomplishment," which PERFECTLY describes 90s emo/hardcore.

[ruffian]

did you seriously buy that shirt?

[Cuddleworthy]

Mostly I find his writing style more annoying than anything else,

his style and vernacular are the only funny aspects of the blog, and even they get old after a while. the content is sometimes amusing

[StuffUWillHate]

did you seriously buy that shirt?
Haha of course!! That's the best part, I actually spent $30 on a one color t-shirt because I thought it would be funny. Wish I could have gotten the $3,000 option where Carles hand-delivers is haha.

[StuffUWillHate]

But back to the subject... let's talk about how many 90s screamo dudes turned into cokehead hipsters that listen to electro and are the butt of HRO jokes!

[Robototron]

"By copying it (and appearing on his blog wearing HRO merch) you're basically a self-fulfilling prophecy in that you're everything he's satirizing. Or is that the joke?"

Precisely.

Oh, and the best way I heard someone sum up HRO is "making fun of people who think listening to music is an accomplishment," which PERFECTLY describes 90s emo/hardcore.

The whole thing is just meta-satire to a point that I find rather annoying, but I guess that's just me.

That is a pretty funny description of it (it describes so much of hipper-than-thou culture), but I've always just thought of HRO as making fun of the same people bloggers have been making fun of this entire decade (i.e. themselves), which I'm a little sick of at this point. Can we get a new joke in 2010 already?

My favorite hipster satire is still Tale of Two Cities/Gawker Blue States Lose, though. Worth digging up if you're into hipster jokes. To this day I still think of the MisShapes (does HRO even write about them? Does anyone anymore?) as Princess Coldstare, Leotard Fantastic, and The Other Guy. I even sent in a contribution to that myself,which I guess is my own kind-of-ironic-but-not-really skeleton in the closet.

My intro to Emo/Hardcore/etc. was also being an asshole Skramz fan, though, so I guess the joke's on me?


his style and vernacular are the only funny aspects of the blog, and even they get old after a while. the content is sometimes amusing
The whole thing is just so over the top. I know that's part of the joke, but I'd appreciate a little more subtlety. Like I said, at least when it started out it wasn't as outrageous, at this point it's practically unreadable.

P.S. I'm listening to the new Clipse album and one of the dudes just rapped about Raf Simons. This is worse hipster culture appropriation than everything Kanye West has done since like 07.

[ruffian]

Haha of course!! That's the best part, I actually spent $30 on a one color t-shirt because I thought it would be funny. Wish I could have gotten the $3,000 option where Carles hand-delivers is haha.

yr sense of humor....over my head.

[IntoTheSun]

The whole thing is just meta-satire to a point that I find rather annoying, but I guess that's just me.

That is a pretty funny description of it (it describes so much of hipper-than-thou culture), but I've always just thought of HRO as making fun of the same people bloggers have been making fun of this entire decade (i.e. themselves), which I'm a little sick of at this point. Can we get a new joke in 2010 already?

My favorite hipster satire is still Tale of Two Cities/Gawker Blue States Lose, though. Worth digging up if you're into hipster jokes. To this day I still think of the MisShapes (does HRO even write about them? Does anyone anymore?) as Princess Coldstare, Leotard Fantastic, and The Other Guy. I even sent in a contribution to that myself,which I guess is my own kind-of-ironic-but-not-really skeleton in the closet.

My intro to Emo/Hardcore/etc. was also being an asshole Skramz fan, though, so I guess the joke's on me?

This. It's like a joke of a joke of a joke. Or something.

[Rawrr]

what the hell does that shirt mean

[StuffUWillHate]

The whole thing is just meta-satire to a point that I find rather annoying, but I guess that's just me.
Haha EXACTLY!!! I'm a big fan of the Hot Rod/Freddy Got Fingered/Strange Wilderness style of "the audience is the butt of the joke" style humor, and I feel like that kind of exhausting meta-satire and post-post irony are pretty much in the same vein. If I can imagine the readers shaking their head and saying to themselves, "Who IS this imbecile?!" then I have done my job.

Having said that and completely given away the joke, I'm sure this thread will have many more replies from butthurt 17 year olds that don't get it.

[x togepi x]

does this name drop orchid? if not i don't really care.

also, if we're having vlv meet ap i'd want to see some servo/jeffry_lebowski action up in here.

[Robototron]

Haha EXACTLY!!! I'm a big fan of the Hot Rod/Freddy Got Fingered/Strange Wilderness style of "the audience is the butt of the joke" style humor, and I feel like that kind of exhausting meta-satire and post-post irony are pretty much in the same vein. If I can imagine the readers shaking their head and saying to themselves, "Who IS this imbecile?!" then I have done my job.


It's more like irony that's twice as annoying.

Also, re-living the decade in hipsters is kind of fun. (http://gawker.com/150941/blue-states-lose-photo-contest) The Madden bros! They're like the original "emo" (should I have put extra quotations?) douchebags turned hipsters.

[StuffUWillHate]

does this name drop orchid? if not i don't really care.
Of course it does, bro. I nearly put out a comp with Laceration on it in 1997 (Will Dandy's band before Orchid).

[x togepi x]

Of course it does, bro. I nearly put out a comp with Laceration on it in 1997 (Will Dandy's band before Orchid).

maybe i'll have to check it out then.

[Rawrr]

Stuffuwillhate, riddle me this, you've talked about your distaste for this scene and not really being a fan of it, but why were you a part of it for so long/so involved? I mean, more of your meta-humour?

[StuffUWillHate]

Stuffuwillhate, riddle me this, you've talked about your distaste for this scene and not really being a fan of it, but why were you a part of it for so long/so involved? I mean, more of your meta-humour?
It was mostly what my friends at the time were into, and some of those bands were good (Heroin and John Henry West, for example). But my friends, roommates, former girlfriend, etc were all into it so I went to the shows until I got more into Merauder and Internal Bleeding.

[Robototron]

This link is related to HRO/hipster culture so: holy fucking shit (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/nsfw-gavin-wins-hipster-of-the-decade/) (read this (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/dont-let-carles-win-hipster-of-the-decade/) and this (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/the-best-prank-of-2010/) for background).

[Cuddleworthy]

P.S. I'm listening to the new Clipse album and one of the dudes just rapped about Raf Simons. This is worse hipster culture appropriation than everything Kanye West has done since like 07.

rappers talking about fashion is just funny. i think kanye once called hedi slimane a god, or something. facepalmworthy

[quicksilv001]

This was a terrible piece of writing. It told me absolutely nothing I didn't already know and there wasn't even a point to it.

[StuffUWillHate]

This link is related to HRO/hipster culture so: holy fucking shit (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/nsfw-gavin-wins-hipster-of-the-decade/) (read this (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/dont-let-carles-win-hipster-of-the-decade/) and this (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/the-best-prank-of-2010/) for background).
THIS IS THE BEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!!!!!!

[Rawrr]

Death + Taxes magazine used to have the two guys from Street Boners write articles for them, always the funniest stuff

[Lemmi!]

What he said, except that Fight Fair are fucking GREAT and will blow the fuck up in 2010
i agree

[SomedayTheFire]

This link is related to HRO/hipster culture so: holy fucking shit (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/nsfw-gavin-wins-hipster-of-the-decade/) (read this (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/dont-let-carles-win-hipster-of-the-decade/) and this (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/the-best-prank-of-2010/) for background).
Holy shit.

[StuffUWillHate]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8TJYl4uc3lQ/S0FH_CdZ4MI/AAAAAAAAB8k/HIZbfS_p8Nk/s400/TEMP-Image_1_10.png

alexbigman posted this on October 22nd, 2007 @ 4:05:35 am (http://board.vivalavinyl.org/thread/view/36228/)
jear your so much more punk and diy then me omg...i went to college and joined a frat, made friends(do you have any?) hooked up with hot preppy girls...got a degree in history all while putting out 2 vinyl releases, booking diy tours/shows, letting the touring bands crash at my pad, got signed, STILL go to punk/hardcore shows at gilman/che cafe, buy vinyl....
and yahh i'll be on trl in about a year and i'll have a fuck jear shirt on

[robdobi]

oh man, the dude peeing in the cereal was so good.

[love_american_style]

Fight Fair...might be sharing a bus with my friends band this summer on warped tour.

[davidplaysdrums]

i wish people would stop calling it SKRAMZ or OOP or whatever bullshit term of the week they are calling it now... it's fucking screamo .... no one did it better than the Virginia bands. this shit is pretty near and dear to me, but im glad you all enjoy laughing at it so much... i think punk rock peaked in the mid 90's/early 00's post-hardcore scene in virginia. listen to maximillian colby, majority rule, sleepytime trio, 400 years, city of caterpillar, light the fuse and run, early engine down, and learn to respect good music, then check out Worn in Red who keep the fire burning.... and thursday does and will always suck...

[love_american_style]

actually it's hardcore.

i don't even like calling it screamo.

[ReadyForAction]

Female - 17 Years Old
3,699 Posts (http://www.absolutepunk.net/search.php?do=finduser&u=1040862)




Male - 17 Years Old
really?

[StuffUWillHate]

Not trying to be a dick about it, just saying lol @ a 17 year old telling me I'm wrong about things I experienced when they were literally still shitting their diapers

[davidplaysdrums]

actually it's hardcore.

i don't even like calling it screamo.


i agree to an extint.... most of the people in the "virginia hardcore influenced by gravity records and dischord bands scene" grew up in the traditional hardcore scene before they broke edge and got more chaotic and emotional.

there have been so many waves of it.. i like it all. my first show was hose.got.cable when i was like 11.

[blebbio]

lol at the guy from seeing means more being in Fight Fair.

[x togepi x]

i wish people would stop calling it SKRAMZ or OOP or whatever bullshit term of the week they are calling it now... it's fucking screamo .... no one did it better than the Virginia bands. this shit is pretty near and dear to me, but im glad you all enjoy laughing at it so much... i think punk rock peaked in the mid 90's/early 00's post-hardcore scene in virginia. listen to maximillian colby, majority rule, sleepytime trio, 400 years, city of caterpillar, light the fuse and run, early engine down, and learn to respect good music, then check out Worn in Red who keep the fire burning.... and thursday does and will always suck...

uh....OOP means out of print, and applies to any kind of music that you can't just go to a record store and buy brand new.

i think skramz was a joke that got out of control. this is what happens when kids get on the internet.

[ink and haggard]

lol at the guy from seeing means more being in Fight Fair. your laughing at the fact that a guy went from one mediocre band to another one?

[mybreakingpoint]

If my last name started with a 'z' and then was spelled backwards, it would be 'Skramz.'

That's all I really have to contribute to this thread.

[ink and haggard]

i wish people would stop calling it SKRAMZ or OOP or whatever bullshit term of the week they are calling it now... it's fucking screamo .... no one did it better than the Virginia bands. this shit is pretty near and dear to me, but im glad you all enjoy laughing at it so much... i think punk rock peaked in the mid 90's/early 00's post-hardcore scene in virginia. listen to maximillian colby, majority rule, sleepytime trio, 400 years, city of caterpillar, light the fuse and run, early engine down, and learn to respect good music, then check out Worn in Red who keep the fire burning.... and thursday does and will always suck... lol, reitirating what loveamericanstyle said, its not even screamo, its hardcore, screamo is as much of a "bullshit term of the week" as skramz.

[StuffUWillHate]

I had a 400 Years shirt, then I traded it to my friend in 1998 for a Turbo Express (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboExpress). I feel like I got the better end of that deal by a factor of 1 zillion.

[Cuddleworthy]

UNCERTAINTY
HAUNTS
MY EVERYTHING!

x

[blebbio]

your laughing at the fact that a guy went from one mediocre band to another one?

no I'm laughing at the fact that he went from a violent aggressive skramz band to a terrible extremely girly pop punk band.

[ink and haggard]

no I'm laughing at the fact that he went from a violent aggressive skramz band to a terrible extremely girly pop punk band. listen to "your true colors" and try to tell me with a straight face that shits girly. you call that tacked on seeing means more breakdown girly? didn't think so.

[blebbio]

listen to "your true colors" and try to tell me with a straight face that shits girly. you call that tacked on seeing means more breakdown girly? didn't think so.
I don't really know what you are talking about but you don't think it's funny that this guy is "the king of skramz"
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/66/m_10635aae8fcb45efa0323e7c346fd86b. jpg

[Cuddleworthy]

lol

[Rawrr]

Lets not knock Fight Fair, they have lyrics that are anything but girly

Welcome to the west coast
Where we're holding it down
And the girls are looking mint so you should just stick around

If you've had a bad day
Just know the best times are on the way

We just want to have some fun
We're still young and on the run
We just want to have some fun
Come on! Everyone

Lets just kick it in the summer heat
Meet me at the boardwalk in pacific beach
It's kinda hot like 90 degrees
But all i need is a dime,
Best buds, and a BRAIN-FREEZE!

Lets go to the record store and dig through vinyl
I haven't found anything OOP in a while
But you girl,
So can i score your test press?
And I know that you're single,
Cause I saw it on the newsfeed

We just want to have some fun
We're still young and on the run
We just want to have some fun
Come on! Everyone

Just drop the beat, lets get the party started
It's time to hit the dancefloor
I see your moves girl,
Now i'm laying mine you
I can feel your heart is pacing
Don't ever stop, lets keep it going now

We just want to have some fun
We're still young and on the run
We just want to have some fun
Come on! Everyone


He references OOP vinyl, skramz king

[shit stroll]

Lets not knock Fight Fair, they have lyrics that are anything but girly




He references OOP vinyl, skramz king
to drunk to comprehend this right now.

[Rawrr]

But all i need is a dime,
Best buds, and a BRAIN-FREEZE

Is this in reference to that ganjjjjj or the price of a snowcone?

[acemvivere]

More likely a slurpee from 711.

[ink and haggard]

FFO: FIGHT FAIR

vkj1kWqL_JI

[T-bag]

They Will Be GREAT.They are the next Destiny's Child. I know it

[amplific]

gives me revertago

[StuffUWillHate]

I don't really know what you are talking about but you don't think it's funny that this guy is "the king of skramz"
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/66/m_10635aae8fcb45efa0323e7c346fd86b. jpg


classic

[MothsNoise01]

welp