Chris Johnson v Usain Bolt

[dustyfloors]

Unfortunately, I don't have the source article from espn.com because I'm at work.

Chris Johnson wants something 60 yards or less.
Usain is looking for something long distance
Who do you think would win?

For my money I'd have to go with Usain. Hands down.

[Srsly]

I'd figure Usain would have better straight ahead speed

[mht]

Jamaal Charles raced Bolt when he was in college and lost, I'd expect the same for CJ

[QuikTrig]

since when does being one of the fastest guys in the NFL suddenly make you the second/maybe first fastest person on earth? this is dumb.

[Chris M.]

If it's a short distance, CJ will likely make it a little bit close. If it's 100 metres or more he doesn't stand a chance.

[Jason Tate]

It wouldn't even be close.

[Buscemi Knows Best]

football speed does not compare to world record track speed. usain wins the 100 by 38 seconds

[Talib Scottie]

CJ wants a shorter distance because he knows Bolt doesn't pull away until the 40-50 meter mark (from other world class sprinters of course).

[startBBtoday]

since when does being one of the fastest guys in the NFL suddenly make you the second/maybe first fastest person on earth? this is dumb.

Well, nfl players are the fastest professional athletes and if you're big/strong enough to play professional football, you're obviously going to do that rather than be a track star. In short distance I think it would be close.

[Colin1755]

is chad ochocinco gunnabe in this too? he'll find a way in he always does aha

[Colin1755]

Well, nfl players are the fastest professional athletes and if you're big/strong enough to play professional football, you're obviously going to do that rather than be a track star. In short distance I think it would be close.
have to disagree, im pretty sure soccer players who have to run the most out of any sport are the fastest.

[Colin1755]

CJ wants a shorter distance because he knows Bolt doesn't pull away until the 40-50 meter mark (from other world class sprinters of course).
good point. anyone can say with usain in a one centimeter race. haha

[startBBtoday]

have to disagree, im pretty sure soccer players who have to run the most out of any sport are the fastest.

Wouldn't that just be stamina rather than flat out speed? Maybe in countries other than the u.s. where football is dominant, but certainly not here.

[crypticv24]

If I remember right, Usain Bolt's estimated 40-yard time is between 4.0 and 4.2, using the same timing methods as NFL coaches. Chris Johnson's 40 time was 4.29. I don't understand why anyone would think Bolt's not the fastest guy alive anyway. CJ should know better.

[startBBtoday]

Not to be a dick, but cj's 40 time was 4.24

[wesgemm08]

How is this even up for debate? Have fun embarrassing yourself cj... Will look something like this, except shorter distance.

_DjvvI-0xjc

[Sic Transit Zeb]

Not to be a dick, but cj's 40 time was 4.24

yup

[And Hours Pass]

Well, nfl players are the fastest professional athletes and if you're big/strong enough to play professional football, you're obviously going to do that rather than be a track star. In short distance I think it would be close.

You have a source for that? Doesn't really sound right to me...

[startBBtoday]

You have a source for that? Doesn't really sound right to me...

If its not wide receivers or running backs who is it? Please don't say basketball or baseball players. Or u.s. soccer players.

[startBBtoday]

Or defensive backs for that matter.

[And Hours Pass]

If its not wide receivers or running backs who is it? Please don't say basketball or baseball players. Or u.s. soccer players.
AFL, Rugby, Soccer (non-US)?

[You Vandal]

I saw this on Sportscenter today. It would be exciting to watch.

[SockMonkeyRiot]

Not even a contest.

[captainamazing4]

usain will destroy. that is all that needs to be said

[startBBtoday]

AFL, Rugby, Soccer (non-US)?

If you're admitting that the best athletes in the u.s. play football (I have to assume that because you didn't list any other widely played sports in the us other than soccer, shich you specified non u.s.) then your argument must be that the best athletes from countires who play australian football, rugby or soccer are faster than the fastest pro athletes from the u.s. which is obviously an entirely different argument.

[showmethefever]

AFL, Rugby, Soccer (non-US)?
Definitely not AFL and maybe rugby or soccer players have more stamina, but NFL receivers and backs have to be the fastest athletes.

[showmethefever]

If you're admitting that the best athletes in the u.s. play football (I have to assume that because you didn't list any other widely played sports in the us other than soccer, shich you specified non u.s.) then your argument must be that the best athletes from countires who play australian football, rugby or soccer are faster than the fastest pro athletes from the u.s. which is obviously an entirely different argument.
I thought he meant Arena Football, haha. Regardless, I'd imagine that NFL players are faster.

[yaz06]

I'll admit, CJ is fast but there should be no comparison to Bolt.. he doesn't have two world records because he loses races, it's because he is the fastest man in the world.. might be a good race but Usain would definitely win at any distance.

[And Hours Pass]

If you're admitting that the best athletes in the u.s. play football (I have to assume that because you didn't list any other widely played sports in the us other than soccer, shich you specified non u.s.) then your argument must be that the best athletes from countires who play australian football, rugby or soccer are faster than the fastest pro athletes from the u.s. which is obviously an entirely different argument.

How would that be a different argument? This is your original statement:

Well, nfl players are the fastest professional athletes and if you're big/strong enough to play professional football, you're obviously going to do that rather than be a track star. In short distance I think it would be close.

There's nothing about U.S. versus other country players. It is simply an argument about fastest professional athletes. I'd argue that AFL, rugby, and soccer players can probably run faster.

Definitely not AFL and maybe rugby or soccer players have more stamina, but NFL receivers and backs have to be the fastest athletes.

What makes you say definitely not AFL? I remember reading somewhere that AFL players were, on average, significantly more fit, fast, and agile than rugby and soccer players. I can't cite that so I won't argue it, but they run at incredible speeds and distances. I don't think it's such an easy case to make that NFL players are the fastest pro athletes.

[showmethefever]

How would that be a different argument? This is your original statement:



There's nothing about U.S. versus other country players. It is simply an argument about fastest professional athletes. I'd argue that AFL, rugby, and soccer players can probably run faster.



What makes you say definitely not AFL? I remember reading somewhere that AFL players were, on average, significantly more fit, fast, and agile than rugby and soccer players. I can't cite that so I won't argue it, but they run at incredible speeds and distances. I don't think it's such an easy case to make that NFL players are the fastest pro athletes.
Like I said in my second post, I thought that you meant Arena Football players.

[startBBtoday]

How would that be a different argument? This is your original statement:



There's nothing about U.S. versus other country players. It is simply an argument about fastest professional athletes. I'd argue that AFL, rugby, and soccer players can probably run faster.



What makes you say definitely not AFL? I remember reading somewhere that AFL players were, on average, significantly more fit, fast, and agile than rugby and soccer players. I can't cite that so I won't argue it, but they run at incredible speeds and distances. I don't think it's such an easy case to make that NFL players are the fastest pro athletes.


If you're trying to get me on semantics, then yes, I worded my original statement wrong. I should have said u.s. but now that we're on this, why would athletes playing soccer, afl or rugby be any faster than nfl players? These are all obviously the fastest athletes strong enough to play professional sports, so why would they be faster in europe, south america or africa? If you can admit the best athletes in the u.s. are playing in the nfl, then why would the best athletes in the u.s. be slower than the best athletes in other countries playing different sports.

My point in all of this is that chris johnson is, as far as popular belief goes, the fastest player in the nfl. And since he's big and strong enough to play in the nfl, he wasn't going to run track. In a short distance run beneficial to a football running back, I think it could be close between bolt and johnson.

[And Hours Pass]

Like I said in my second post, I thought that you meant Arena Football players.

Didn't see that one! Sorry bout that.

If you're trying to get me on semantics, then yes, I worded my original statement wrong. I should have said u.s. but now that we're on this, why would athletes playing soccer, afl or rugby be any faster than nfl players? These are all obviously the fastest athletes strong enough to play professional sports, so why would they be faster in europe, south america or africa? If you can admit the best athletes in the u.s. are playing in the nfl, then why would the best athletes in the u.s. be slower than the best athletes in other countries playing different sports.

My point in all of this is that chris johnson is, as far as popular belief goes, the fastest player in the nfl. And since he's big and strong enough to play in the nfl, he wasn't going to run track. In a short distance run beneficial to a football running back, I think it could be close between bolt and johnson.

I'm absolutely not trying to get you on semantics! I had no idea your initial intent was to keep this in a U.S. realm. I would've assumed that if we're having a discussion related to Bolt that this would not be confined to the U.S.

As for the bolded statement - I don't really see the logic to it. You're asking me why the fastest athlete in the U.S. would be slower than the fastest athlete from another country playing a different sport? Why wouldn't they? Not all fast people play the same sports. Why would it be so illogical that if the fastest U.S. athlete is Chris Johnson (which I'm not saying I believe) who plays football, that the fastest athlete from Australia would be a soccer player? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your argument, but I don't really understand how that makes much sense.

[startBBtoday]

You're saying that afl, rugby and soccer players can run faster. I'm saying that they're probably all just as fast as one another. Your original statement was that afl, rugby and soccer players are faster, I'm saying that nfl players should be in that same statement because its the fastest athletes from the us.

[J.C.]

Bolt would smoke'em.

[TEAMRAMROD]

Bolt would kill it. I'd still watch.

[txmusic]

If it's 60 meters or less, CJ stands a chance. Johnson ran a 4.24 laser timed 40, which hand timed is well in the 4.1_ range. It's worth a shot though, i'd definitely still watch it.

[sleepyseanzzz]

they said on SC that johnson would probably have to drop 5-10 pounds after the season to have a better chance at making this thing close. and at least they will make some money for charity out of it (which SC also reported). that being said i'd give the advantage to the fastest man in the world

[KidRobot]

CJ finished 2nd in Florida in 2004 only to Walter Dix who won a Bronze in 2008. I mean he's gonna lose...but he's not going to lose by too much.

[sinkinginthesea]

bolt without question

[theguy77]

chris johnson doesn't even hold the NFL's 40 time record. what the fuck makes you think he could win in a race against the guy who holds the WORLD records for 100m and 200m both by more than a tenth of a second?

CJ's fast but im getting sick of how overrated his speed is. 4.24-4.25 times are recorded by at least one guy in the combine every year. hes not world class; hes just a very athletic runningback who knows how to USE his speed better than anyone else. i mean, just saying... deion sanders ran a 4.17 once.

[tell that mick]

I'll take Cristiano Ronaldo over Chris Johnson. Did you see him race that car in that commercial!?

[Jason Tate]

CJ finished 2nd in Florida in 2004 only to Walter Dix who won a Bronze in 2008. I mean he's gonna lose...but he's not going to lose by too much.
You realize how much of a difference the gold and bronze winners looked ... right? That split second you read on the screen, looks like a mile, when you see it in real time. Dix also ran a 3.75 40 -- and Bolt made him look stupid.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Usain_Bolt_winning-cropped2.jpg/800px-Usain_Bolt_winning-cropped2.jpg

[Jason Tate]

I'll take Cristiano Ronaldo over Chris Johnson. Did you see him race that car in that commercial!?
4.34 was his timed 40 a few years back.

[Recovery Room]

As much as I love Chris Johnson, he'll get smoked.

[Colin1755]

Wouldn't that just be stamina rather than flat out speed? Maybe in countries other than the u.s. where football is dominant, but certainly not here.
thats true, fastest players here are football players, fastest in europe,asia are defiently soccer players

[Jason Tate]

thats true, fastest players here are football players, fastest in europe,asia are defiently soccer players
On a whole or just singling out the top 50?

[txmusic]

You realize how much of a difference the gold and bronze winners looked ... right? That split second you read on the screen, looks like a mile, when you see it in real time. Dix also ran a 3.75 40 -- and Bolt made him look stupid.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Usain_Bolt_winning-cropped2.jpg/800px-Usain_Bolt_winning-cropped2.jpg

where did you get the info that Dix an a 3.75???

[Jason Tate]

lMNDtq4jq2I

[Colin1755]

On a whole or just singling out the top 50?
on a whole, im sure a couple american soccer players could beat a some nfl players, idk if you watch or follow any soccer, but theres this guy charlie davies on the u.s team who is fast as anything.

[Scott Weber]

haha CJ is going to get dominated.

[Jason Tate]

on a whole, im sure a couple american soccer players could beat a some nfl players, idk if you watch or follow any soccer, but theres this guy charlie davies on the u.s team who is fast as anything.
On a whole? So we're including all those 300+ lbs dudes?

No way I believe that on a whole. I'd assume the mean and median speeds for basketball (and soccer) are better than NFL players.

[Colin1755]

On a whole? So we're including all those 300+ lbs dudes?

No way I believe that on a whole. I'd assume the mean and median speeds for basketball (and soccer) are better than NFL players.
aha i wasnt think that fat guys in my head it was more of a wide recievers, runningbacks, cornerbacks vs. soccerplayers thing, but "ON A WHOLE" soccer players are deffiently faster, but just singling out a couple guys, football probably has the top 5 fatest guys in the country followed by soccer,basketball....after all chad ochocinco did beat a horse in a race hahaVWGoSc28B1M

[jjm1]

Are people seriously debating this? I would put all the money and stuff i have on Bolt. It wouldn't even be close, the only way CJ could win is if bolt got hurt a quarter or less into the race.

[MyNameIsRoss]

just dumb

[Talib Scottie]

I'd say most of the argument is football players v. soccer players.

That Dix run is incredible, but you have to factor in running on the track with spikes being hand timed by your friend and yes CJ still loses easily, ha.

But I still hope this happens, it'll be entertaining and it's all for charity so why not?

[SunnyInPhilly]

If I remember right, Usain Bolt's estimated 40-yard time is between 4.0 and 4.2, using the same timing methods as NFL coaches. Chris Johnson's 40 time was 4.29. I don't understand why anyone would think Bolt's not the fastest guy alive anyway. CJ should know better.

Unless you've clocked everyone in the world, it's disingenuous to give anyone the title of "Fastest Man In the World".

[deadstar]

Unless you've clocked everyone in the world, it's disingenuous to give anyone the title of "Fastest Man In the World".
Hahahahahahha. People dont just accidentally run a 4.2 or break world records.

[Jason Tate]

Unless you've clocked everyone in the world, it's disingenuous to give anyone the title of "Fastest Man In the World".
:hitself:

[SunnyInPhilly]

:hitself:
Mmmk.

[Mibabalou]

on a whole, im sure a couple american soccer players could beat a some nfl players, idk if you watch or follow any soccer, but theres this guy charlie davies on the u.s team who is fast as anything.

charlie davies can only jog right

now im pretty sure no one of the usmnt team is even close to being as fast as bolt

[hf57]

Unless you've clocked everyone in the world, it's disingenuous to give anyone the title of "Fastest Man In the World".

you're right. so because not everyone in the world has played a full 82 game season in the nba, michael jordan is not the best basketball player alive.

[AshesAshes]

aha i wasnt think that fat guys in my head it was more of a wide recievers, runningbacks, cornerbacks vs. soccerplayers thing, but "ON A WHOLE" soccer players are deffiently faster, but just singling out a couple guys, football probably has the top 5 fatest guys in the country followed by soccer,basketball....after all chad ochocinco did beat a horse in a race hahaVWGoSc28B1M

He beat him with a head start lol

[KidRobot]

You realize how much of a difference the gold and bronze winners looked ... right? That split second you read on the screen, looks like a mile, when you see it in real time. Dix also ran a 3.75 40 -- and Bolt made him look stupid.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Usain_Bolt_winning-cropped2.jpg/800px-Usain_Bolt_winning-cropped2.jpg

That's the 100 m race no?

Where Bolt ran a 9.69 and Dix ran a 9.91. To beat CJ by that much Bold would have to run a 4.07 which would be insane.

He'd beat him obviously, but not like 10m or anything.

lMNDtq4jq2I

lol timed by his buddies. Seems official to me! Not electronic, don't care at all.


They estimate Bolt's 40 to be a 4.1_ and he ran a 3.75. lolno.

[herestoyoufla]

i read somewhere that Randy Moss runs around a 4.2...no one ever talks about him.

[Jason Tate]

That's the 100 m race no?

Where Bolt ran a 9.69 and Dix ran a 9.91. To beat CJ by that much Bold would have to run a 4.07 which would be insane.

He'd beat him obviously, but not like 10m or anything.
He ran the last 40 of the 100 around there.

They should run 80. Bolt would beat him handily.

lol timed by his buddies. Seems official to me! Not electronic, don't care at all.


They estimate Bolt's 40 to be a 4.1_ and he ran a 3.75. lolno.
Most football 40's aren't official. Nor do they account for reaction time off the blocks.

[startBBtoday]

chris johnson doesn't even hold the NFL's 40 time record. what the fuck makes you think he could win in a race against the guy who holds the WORLD records for 100m and 200m both by more than a tenth of a second?

CJ's fast but im getting sick of how overrated his speed is. 4.24-4.25 times are recorded by at least one guy in the combine every year. hes not world class; hes just a very athletic runningback who knows how to USE his speed better than anyone else. i mean, just saying... deion sanders ran a 4.17 once.

Johnson holds the fastest electronically timed 40 at the combine, so you're wrong. Deion's 4.17 was hand timed and there's obviously a lot of room for error there.

Johnson's obviously not going to win, but if he drops 5-10 pounds and they run a short distance bolt's not going to destroy him like he would in a 100m or 200m.

4.24 is really really fast. Maybe you've been playing too many video games where they have players run 4.16s.

[KidRobot]

He ran the last 40 of the 100 around there.

They should run 80. Bolt would beat him handily.


Most football 40's aren't official. Nor do they account for reaction time off the blocks.

The last 40 where he's already at full speed he should run that easily. Probably less. I'd guess a 3.8.

yes he would.

They're electronically timed which is alot more official than a couple guys at a track with a stop watch.

[Jason Tate]

The last 40 where he's already at full speed he should run that easily. Probably less. I'd guess a 3.8.

yes he would.

They're electronically timed which is alot more official than a couple guys at a track with a stop watch.
Makes me wet.

Still wanna see it.

Yeah, I agree.

[Jason Tate]

Johnson holds the fastest electronically timed 40 at the combine, so you're wrong. Deion's 4.17 was hand timed and there's obviously a lot of room for error there.

Johnson's obviously not going to win, but if he drops 5-10 pounds and they run a short distance bolt's not going to destroy him like he would in a 100m or 200m.

4.24 is really really fast. Maybe you've been playing too many video games where they have players run 4.16s.
Rondel Melendez (http://gnb.scout.com/2/732296.html) ran it in 4.24.

Either way -- the way a combine # is reached is not the same as a race - where you have to react. Anything over 60, he gets embarassed.

[Chris M.]

Bo Jackson ran 4.12 on a hand-timer. Johnson ran 4.24 and Fabian Washington ran 4.25. This guy who thinks guys run that at the combine every year on electronic timers is delusional.

[tell that mick]

4.34 was his timed 40 a few years back.

Wait, so you're telling me this isn't real!?

e8e3cKCHCOM

[Jason Tate]

Wait, so you're telling me this isn't real!?

e8e3cKCHCOM
Hahah, that is pretty sick.

[Theher3tic]

Johnson's ridiculous but he can't honestly believe that he'd win.

[xcloud66x]

usain bolt is gonna whoop his ass. period.

[startBBtoday]

Rondel Melendez (http://gnb.scout.com/2/732296.html) ran it in 4.24.

Either way -- the way a combine # is reached is not the same as a race - where you have to react. Anything over 60, he gets embarassed.

Alright, then johnson tied it. And melendez did that 10 years ago so my original point that that doesn't happen every year stands.

[theguy77]

Johnson holds the fastest electronically timed 40 at the combine, so you're wrong. Deion's 4.17 was hand timed and there's obviously a lot of room for error there.

Johnson's obviously not going to win, but if he drops 5-10 pounds and they run a short distance bolt's not going to destroy him like he would in a 100m or 200m.

4.24 is really really fast. Maybe you've been playing too many video games where they have players run 4.16s.

Bo Jackson ran 4.12 on a hand-timer. Johnson ran 4.24 and Fabian Washington ran 4.25. This guy who thinks guys run that at the combine every year on electronic timers is delusional.

haha did some research and as far as electronically timed 40s, you guys are right. my bad.

[crypticv24]

Unless you've clocked everyone in the world, it's disingenuous to give anyone the title of "Fastest Man In the World".

Unless you're in third grade, I'd expect you to be able to recognize hyperbole when you see it.

[SunnyInPhilly]

Unless you're in third grade, I'd expect you to be able to recognize hyperbole when you see it.

My point was more that it's stupid how everyone is acting like nobody could possibly beat him. Every record before his has been broken by a faster man. His is likely no exception.

[crypticv24]

My point was more that it's stupid how everyone is acting like nobody could possibly beat him. Every record before his has been broken by a faster man. His is likely no exception.

So what you're saying is that people are going to run sub-9.3 100s eventually? Because that's the logical conclusion of your stance. And besides that, Bolt can run a sub-9.6, and possibly a sub-9.5 (with help from a tailwind), and owns the biggest advancement in the 100 world record in electronic timing history. Where is there any evidence that he's NOT the fastest guy alive?

[wesgemm08]

My point was more that it's stupid how everyone is acting like nobody could possibly beat him. Every record before his has been broken by a faster man. His is likely no exception.

No one is going to break Bolt's 200m record for a lonnnnnnngggggggg time, if ever.

[preppyak]

No one is going to break Bolt's 200m record for a lonnnnnnngggggggg time, if ever.
is what they said with Michael Johnson...and then it got beaten handily. Never question what medical science and new training methods can do for the human body....people WILL go faster

Shit, Usain Bolt did his time while eating chicken nuggets as his primary source of energy...imagine if he used something more efficient

[Jason Tate]

is what they said with Michael Johnson...and then it got beaten handily. Never question what medical science and new training methods can do for the human body....people WILL go faster
But it took 12 years ... that's a pretty damn long time in the sports world.

[SunnyInPhilly]

So what you're saying is that people are going to run sub-9.3 100s eventually? Because that's the logical conclusion of your stance. And besides that, Bolt can run a sub-9.6, and possibly a sub-9.5 (with help from a tailwind), and owns the biggest advancement in the 100 world record in electronic timing history. Where is there any evidence that he's NOT the fastest guy alive?

I'm saying that he's not the first "Fastest Guy Alive". There was Carl Lewis, then there was Michael Johnson (who owned the largest improvement ever in the 200m), now there's Usain Bolt. Both Lewis and Johnson held records that have since been broken, just as Bolt's records will likely be broken.

[startBBtoday]

On a whole? So we're including all those 300+ lbs dudes?

No way I believe that on a whole. I'd assume the mean and median speeds for basketball (and soccer) are better than NFL players.

i don't agree at all about basketball. you think most nba centers can even run 5 second 40s like nfl linemen can? or even most nba power forwards for that matter?

[wesgemm08]

I'm saying that he's not the first "Fastest Guy Alive". There was Carl Lewis, then there was Michael Johnson (who owned the largest improvement ever in the 200m), now there's Usain Bolt. Both Lewis and Johnson held records that have since been broken, just as Bolt's records will likely be broken.

Michael Johnson's 400m record hasn't been broken

[SunnyInPhilly]

Michael Johnson's 400m record hasn't been broken

I wasn't saying all of their records have been broken. I'm saying they both held records that have since been broken. His 200m record was broken by himself and then Bolt twice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_200_metres_world_record_progr ession

[Srsly]

who knows the fastest guy in the world could be an accountant or something

[TEAMRAMROD]

who knows the fastest guy in the world could be an accountant or something
Oh yeah totally. Because there's plenty of accountants who train to be world class runners while filing taxes.

[preppyak]

But it took 12 years ... that's a pretty damn long time in the sports world.
I guess...it took Usain Bolt 12 years to break that record, then 1 year to crush his own record...so, I really don't see it taking much more time than that. "lonnnnnnngggggggg time" to me implies multiple decades...like we might not even be alive to see it...which is ridiculous as I think it will happen again in the next decade most likely

[wesgemm08]

I guess...it took Usain Bolt 12 years to break that record, then 1 year to crush his own record...so, I really don't see it taking much more time than that. "lonnnnnnngggggggg time" to me implies multiple decades...like we might not even be alive to see it...which is ridiculous as I think it will happen again in the next decade most likely

It very well could be multiple decades.. Only two sprinters have ever run under a 19.58, Bolt and Johnson. You never know what kind of talent will come up, but being 4 tenths faster than your closest competition(Tyson Gay @ 19.58) is incredible.

[Srsly]

Oh yeah totally. Because there's plenty of accountants who train to be world class runners while filing taxes.
I meant it as in, not everyone who's fast trains to be a world class runner.

[Jason Tate]

i don't agree at all about basketball. you think most nba centers can even run 5 second 40s like nfl linemen can? or even most nba power forwards for that matter?
I think, on average, absolutely. I don't think most NFL linemen are running 5 second 40's either.

[guccimaneburrrr]

no way andrew bynum is running a 40 in under 5 seconds

[Jason Tate]

no way andrew bynum is running a 40 in under 5 seconds
No way Chris Baker, Le Kevin Smith, J'Vonne Parker are either. You've just ignored the entire foundation of my claim.

[guccimaneburrrr]

not even worth arguing.

[Colin1755]

He beat him with a head start lol
still pretty legit in my book haha

[startBBtoday]

No way Chris Baker, Le Kevin Smith, J'Vonne Parker are either. You've just ignored the entire foundation of my claim.

le kevin smith 4.97 (http://mobile.milehighreport.com/2009/8/18/992756/tales-from-the-sunnyside-le-kevin), chris baker 4.94 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75177&draftyear=2009&genpos=DT), ryan clady 5.18 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OT&draftyear=2008&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC), j'vonne parker 5.34 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=54677&draftyear=2005&genpos=DT)

feel free to go through http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ you're not making the nfl running a sub 5.4 or 5.5 40

[theguy77]

I think, on average, absolutely. I don't think most NFL linemen are running 5 second 40's either.

BB today is right, average 40 time for a lineman is still like 5.2 seconds and the particularly athletic ones run it under 5 seconds. you'd be surprised how fast some of those 300 pound men can move.

[Jason Tate]

le kevin smith 4.97 (http://mobile.milehighreport.com/2009/8/18/992756/tales-from-the-sunnyside-le-kevin), chris baker 4.94 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75177&draftyear=2009&genpos=DT), ryan clady 5.18 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OT&draftyear=2008&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC), j'vonne parker 5.34 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=54677&draftyear=2005&genpos=DT)

feel free to go through http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ you're not making the nfl running a sub 5.4 or 5.5 40
Thanks for giving the stats to prove me right.

[Jason Tate]

BB today is right, average 40 time for a lineman is still like 5.2 seconds and the particularly athletic ones run it under 5 seconds. you'd be surprised how fast some of those 300 pound men can move.
And you'd be surprised how fast those the 1-4 spot can move on a bball court. You're not going to be able to convince me otherwise without documented data. I'll take the average (or median) of a basketball team over the average/median of a football team.

[startBBtoday]

Thanks for giving the stats to prove me right.

How is that possibly proving you right?? Most 300 pound dudes in the nfl run somewhere between 4.9 and 5.2 40s. If you're really going to say that .2 seconds over 5 isn't a 5 second 40 then you're just getting me on semantics.

And honestly if you want to be further proved wrong, go to this site. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2009&sort2=DESC&draft=100&pos=0&sort=10

the "sprint" section is basketball players running 3/4 of the court. a court is 94 feet, so 3/4 of that is 70.5 feet, which makes that a 23.5 yard dash. the fastest time i found on that site (which dates back to 00 for the sprint section) is 2.96 from sonny weems and nate robinson(an ex football star). now you can get a 40 time by multiplying the 3/4 court sprint by 1.702. the BEST 3/4 sprint times posted are 5.037 second 40 yard dashes.

[Jason Tate]

How is that possibly proving you right?? Most 300 pound dudes in the nfl run somewhere between 4.9 and 5.2 40s. If you're really going to say that .2 seconds over 5 isn't a 5 second 40 then you're just getting me on semantics.

And honestly if you want to be further proved wrong, go to this site. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2009&sort2=DESC&draft=100&pos=0&sort=10

the "sprint" section is basketball players running 3/4 of the court. a court is 94 feet, so 3/4 of that is 70.5 feet, which makes that a 23.5 yard dash. the fastest time i found on that site (which dates back to 00 for the sprint section) is 2.96 from sonny weems and nate robinson(an ex football star). now you can get a 40 time by multiplying the 3/4 court sprint by 1.702. the BEST 3/4 sprint times posted are 5.037 second 40 yard dashes.
If you have a problem with sticking to what I said and the defining characteristics of my exact words -- then that's on you. Under 5 means under five. 5 means 5. I don't know what else you want from me. We're talking about track and field -- where tenths of a second dramatically matter. Where the wind speeds dramatically matter.

Yeah, that's not how times work. Just like you can't simply divide a 100M time to get an estimated 40 time. Not going to get into physics - but acceleration plays a big role in this ... which is why you can have Bolt run sub three 40s (http://www.sportsscientists.com/search?q=usain+bolt).

I'll take the average (or median) of a basketball team over the average/median of a football team any day of the week.

[startBBtoday]

If you have a problem with sticking to what I said and the defining characteristics of my exact words -- then that's on you. Under 5 means under five. 5 means 5. I don't know what else you want from me. We're talking about track and field -- where tenths of a second dramatically matter. Where the wind speeds dramatically matter.

Yeah, that's not how times work. Just like you can't simply divide a 100M time to get an estimated 40 time.

I'll take the average (or median) of a basketball team over the average/median of a football team any day of the week.

okay, so even if you take that dramatic tenths of a second off of nate robinson's "40 time" taking into account difference in running surface and difference in length of the sprint, it's still nowhere near the fastest nfl 40 time. i found in high school, (always clocked too fast) nate robinson ran a 4.38 40. even if you take .657 off of every calculated 40 time, the 7 footers are still running slower than the linemen and the point guards are still running slower than the running backs, wide receivers and defensive backs.

[Jason Tate]

okay, so even if you take that dramatic tenths of a second off of nate robinson's "40 time" taking into account difference in running surface and difference in length of the sprint, it's still nowhere near the fastest nfl 40 time. i found in high school, (always clocked too fast) nate robinson ran a 4.38 40. even if you take .657 off of every calculated 40 time, the 7 footers are still running slower than the linemen and the point guards are still running slower than the running backs, wide receivers and defensive backs.
That is not Robinson's 40 time. And you can't just "take into account" these differences. And it doesn't need to be near the fastest NFL time.

High-school is not comparable to combine sprints (Lebron supposedly ran a 4.4).

I feel like this is high-school physics stuff you should know.

Without proper conditions/testing - it's all speculation anyway. But the data you're providing is not saying what you think it is. And I'm not talking about certain positions running against other positions - or even the fastest players. I'm talking about averages and medians.

[QuikTrig]

obviously it's all speculation, but i doubt the fastest nba players are even on pace with average cornerbacks/defensive backs. it's painfully obvious if you just watch the damn sports. there's not much of a point to being a sprinter on an NBA court.

[Jason Tate]

obviously it's all speculation, but i doubt the fastest nba players are even on pace with average cornerbacks/defensive backs. it's painfully obvious if you just watch the damn sports. there's not much of a point to being a sprinter on an NBA court.
Which, again, has very little to do with what I said.

The fastest NFL players are most certainly faster than the fastest NBA players. However, that's a different discussion entirely.

If you want to talk about that ... Rondo offered 200k to race CJ. Said he ran a 4.15 40. I don't believe him one bit ...

[guccimaneburrrr]

not even worth it, doug

[desiguerilla]

CJ may be fast, but usain bolt i doubt can be touched when it comes to like a 200 m dash or somethin

HIS NAME IS FRIGGIN BOLT!

[theguy77]

And you'd be surprised how fast those the 1-4 spot can move on a bball court. You're not going to be able to convince me otherwise without documented data. I'll take the average (or median) of a basketball team over the average/median of a football team.

the 1-4 spot is not the biggest players on the field. if you're talking about the 1-4 spot then lets talk about linebackers, the SECOND biggest guys on the football field, nearly all of which must run a 40 under 5 seconds to even be able to perform their role properly. fuck, there are defensive ends that can run faster than some point guards. i'd love to hear about a 260+ pound basketball player who can run a 4.45 second 40 time, cause that's dwight freeney of the indianapolis colts.

hell, let's go bigger. mario williams of the houston texans. 6'7", 295 pounds (typical NBA center weight), ran a laser timed 40" in 4.66 seconds (not to mention a very impressive vertical leap of 40.5 inches, which would be a strong number even for a basketball player, and bench pressing 225 pounds 35 times). you dont think those big guys can move that fast? now, granted, i referenced someone who is easily one of the NFL's top athletes, but regardless there's a huge margin there, he's well below 5.00. you said 300 pound guys cant run it under 5 seconds in the NFL, there are plenty of dudes in the league proving that wrong.

[Jason Tate]

the 1-4 spot is not the biggest players on the field. if you're talking about the 1-4 spot then lets talk about linebackers, the SECOND biggest guys on the football field, nearly all of which must run a 40 under 5 seconds to even be able to perform their role properly. fuck, there are defensive ends that can run faster than some point guards. i'd love to hear about a 260+ pound basketball player who can run a 4.45 second 40 time, cause that's dwight freeney of the indianapolis colts.

hell, let's go bigger. mario williams of the houston texans. 6'7", 295 pounds (typical NBA center weight), ran a laser timed 40" in 4.66 seconds (not to mention a very impressive vertical leap of 40.5 inches, which would be a strong number even for a basketball player, and bench pressing 225 pounds 35 times). you dont think those big guys can move that fast? now, granted, i referenced someone who is easily one of the NFL's top athletes, but regardless there's a huge margin there, he's well below 5.00. you said 300 pound guys cant run it under 5 seconds in the NFL, there are plenty of dudes in the league proving that wrong.
You didn't mention any 300 lbs guys running it under 5?

And LBJames is 260 and was laser timed at that. Just saying.

[startBBtoday]

the 1-4 spot is not the biggest players on the field. if you're talking about the 1-4 spot then lets talk about linebackers, the SECOND biggest guys on the football field, nearly all of which must run a 40 under 5 seconds to even be able to perform their role properly. fuck, there are defensive ends that can run faster than some point guards. i'd love to hear about a 260+ pound basketball player who can run a 4.45 second 40 time, cause that's dwight freeney of the indianapolis colts.

hell, let's go bigger. mario williams of the houston texans. 6'7", 295 pounds (typical NBA center weight), ran a laser timed 40" in 4.66 seconds (not to mention a very impressive vertical leap of 40.5 inches, which would be a strong number even for a basketball player, and bench pressing 225 pounds 35 times). you dont think those big guys can move that fast? now, granted, i referenced someone who is easily one of the NFL's top athletes, but regardless there's a huge margin there, he's well below 5.00. you said 300 pound guys cant run it under 5 seconds in the NFL, there are plenty of dudes in the league proving that wrong.

nfl players run a 20 yard dash which is far more comparable to the 3/4 court sprint that the nba players run, which is 23 yards. if you multiply all the 20 yard dash times by 1.15, which actually hurts the NFL players because that's not averaging in their fastest stride, which is where they would be at at the end of a 20 taking data from the 09 nfl draft class the average ol/dt runs it in 3.40, the average de/lb runs it in 3.08 and the average qb/te runs it in 3.13. if you take a look at http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2009&sort2=DESC&draft=100&pos=0&sort=14 it says pretty much all we need to know. that's not even taking into account the fastest players in the nfl, the wrs, dbs and rbs.

[Jason Tate]

nfl players run a 20 yard dash which is far more comparable to the 3/4 court sprint that the nba players run, which is 23 yards. if you multiply all the 20 yard dash times by 1.15, which actually hurts the NFL players because that's not averaging in their fastest stride, which is where they would be at at the end of a 20 taking data from the 09 nfl draft class the average ol/dt runs it in 3.40, the average de/lb runs it in 3.08 and the average qb/te runs it in 3.13. if you take a look at http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2009&sort2=DESC&draft=100&pos=0&sort=14 it says pretty much all we need to know. that's not even taking into account the fastest players in the nfl, the wrs, dbs and rbs.
Please take a physics course or at lease google "acceleration" before trying to do math like this. It drives me insane. Also, for note - the fastest stride of a runner is not at 20 yards.

[startBBtoday]

Please take a physics course or at lease google "acceleration" before trying to do math like this. It drives me insane. Also, for note - the fastest stride of a runner is not at 20 yards.

can you explain to me how this would do anything but slow down the nfl players overall speeds? their fastest stride in this run is the part that i'm calculating, and i'm calculating it to the average of the run which includes their acceleration.

[Jason Tate]

can you explain to me how this would do anything but slow down the nfl players overall speeds? their fastest stride in this run is the part that i'm calculating, and i'm calculating it to the average of the run which includes their acceleration.
http://physics.info/acceleration/
http://physics.info/velocity/

And if you're going to start multiplying to account for different variables: wind, surface, starting blocks, starting method, etc. need to be accounted for as well.

[Midget Pirates]

I think speed wise, the NFL guys are faster than the NBA. I think people sleep on how athletic some of the big guys in the NFL are. Even the ones who look fat are great athletes for their size.

that being said, the NFL guys are trained much more extensively for this type of speed testing. Preparation for the combine and individual workouts can mean the difference between being a first day pick or second day pick. The NBA does similar measurement stuff, but there really isn't too much stock in their workouts. (Kevin Durant not benching 185, did anyone really care?)

also, the nature of short bursts of speed are much more important in training for football players. They are trained to have these bursts of power and speed. There is an aerobic element to it due to the amount of plays, but the players don't have to be as aerobically fit as a basketball player playing 35 plus minutes a game. the training for basketball must be more aerobic, thus not really maximizing their speed.

[jbertclassic]

I'd bet my manhood on Bolt.

[CarlosLunes]

doug, seriously take a physics glass, gosh!

[Jason Tate]

doug, seriously take a physics glass, gosh!
Stop being an ass. It's something high-school graduates should know. This sort of comment is completely unneeded.

[imirish06]

have to disagree, im pretty sure soccer players who have to run the most out of any sport are the fastest.

Rugby players cover almost 7 miles per game and do it at sprinting levels. They're the most all around athletes in the world next to Iron Man athletes, especially 7s players. They're the perfect combination of strength, agility, and endurance. I'd put Bryan Habana up against the fastest soccer and NFL player. And besides that, just because you RUN the most, doesn't mean you produce the fastest athletes.

[CarlosLunes]

Stop being an ass. It's something high-school graduates should know. This sort of comment is completely unneeded.

i was on your side :-(

[guccimaneburrrr]

i graduated high school and don't know shit about physics

[startBBtoday]

I understand physics, I understand acceleration and I understand velocity and I understand that with the calculation I did it could only possibly hurt the nfl players times, not help them because of the lenghts of both short distance sprints. For the same reason you can't just double a 20 to get a 40, you can't multiply a 20 into a 23, but I'm willing to take that hit on the nfl times to prove they're still faster. Darrius heyward bey ran a 2.50 20, that doesn't mean he ran a 5 second 40. He ran a 4.25 40, so when I calculate that heyward bey would run a 2.88 23, that would obviously be even faster, but I'm willing to put that to the side and show that that would still be faster than any 2009 nba prospect by .15 seconds.

[theguy77]

You didn't mention any 300 lbs guys running it under 5?

come on jason, i mentioned a 295 lb guy running it in 4.66. and hell, here's another: julius peppers, 290, 4.68. there's no need to be facetious, if mario williams put on 5 more pounds his 40 time is not going to drop by a whole .34 of a second. those guys are linemen and they are running it under 5 seconds, and there's more where that came from (although most speed-based guys in their position run it closer to 4.85).

And LBJames is 260 and was laser timed at that. Just saying.
i find it believable that lebron is fast for his size, having seen him play. but just for the sake of the discussion, let me just clarify what you meant, what was he laser timed as? 4.45 or under 5?

[Jason Tate]

Again, if you're going to make claims that what I said is not true - at least actually use data that supports it. Find a 300lbs guy running a sub 5 time. I am sure they are out there. But don't fudge the numbers and pretend it says something it doesn't.

4.40.

[TEAMRAMROD]

Again, if you're going to make claims that what I said is not true - at least actually use data that supports it. Find a 300lbs guy running a sub 5 time. I am sure they are out there. But don't fudge the numbers and pretend it says something it doesn't.

4.40.
Haynesworth ran a sub 5 40.
Written before the draft:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_8_226/ai_83450466/
He is everything the NFL computers desire in a defensive tackle. His combination of size (6-5, 315 pounds) and speed (sub-5.0 40) is mind-boggling, and he can bench-press more than 500 pounds. Body fat? Please--he's as ripped as a linebacker.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/33553544.html
Coming out of Tennessee after his junior season, there was little doubt Haynesworth was a rare athlete. He was immensely strong and ran 4.78 seconds in the 40-yard dash - an amazing time for a player his size.

[imirish06]

Again, if you're going to make claims that what I said is not true - at least actually use data that supports it. Find a 300lbs guy running a sub 5 time. I am sure they are out there. But don't fudge the numbers and pretend it says something it doesn't.

4.40.

At the 2009 combine Lydon Murtha ran a 4.89 306lb and Evander Hood ran a 4.97 @ 300

[startBBtoday]

Almost half of the DTs run sub 5 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
A few Tackles run sub 5 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OT&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
and a handful of guards and centers do every year too if you even go another page in http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OG&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=C&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

seriously, just go through the years. even some 300 pounders that don't make the nfl run sub 5.

[theguy77]

Again, if you're going to make claims that what I said is not true - at least actually use data that supports it. Find a 300lbs guy running a sub 5 time. I am sure they are out there. But don't fudge the numbers and pretend it says something it doesn't.

4.40.

giving you a 295 pound guy that runs WELL under 5 seconds is not fudging the numbers. you not accepting it is you being facetious for the sake of your point.

[QuikTrig]

so i guess its chris johnson vs chad ochocinco now? proceeds go to haiti?