Wallace to the Bulls

[zizou1790]

Ben Wallace to the bulls thats the rumor going around if its true the bulls will win the east next year IMO

[preppyak]

nope...they won't win it. He and Thomas will add defensive presence on the inside, no doubt, but they won't score really...and the 1-2-3 spots for them are great scoring wise, but not enough to carry it all

[FondestMemory]

he doesn't guarentee them winning their division, let alone the east.

[xearlynovemberx]

yeah right the bobcats are winning the east

[Chriz2z]

My friend is Ben's neighbor... he says Ben isn't going anywhere, but right now I'm not too confident. I hope he stays, but you never know.

[xbrokendownx]

yeah right the bobcats are winning the east





HELL YES! bobcats 4 lyfe

[zizou1790]

he doesn't guarentee them winning their division, let alone the east.


well they almost beat the Heat this year in the playoffs and with the addition of Wallace, Thomas, and a healthy Deng they will be a much improved team over last year

[Vincewithouthee]

Wallace won't do much really. He's pretty overrated anyway, and he's getting old. He's a great defensive player, but he's terrible on offense. And we all know how great of a foul shooter he is.

I'm not a fan of Big Ben at all really. I'd rather him stay on the Pistons.

But would he help the Bulls? Yeah. For sure. I just don't want to see him on the Bulls, and I don't think that he's really worth it. Plus, no way they're favored to win the East even if they get Big Ben. The Pistons would still be better (IMO), the Heat, Nets, Cavs...

[FondestMemory]

well they almost beat the Heat this year in the playoffs and with the addition of Wallace, Thomas, and a healthy Deng they will be a much improved team over last year

they're still not gonna win the division.

and almost beating a team doesn't mean shit come next year.

[Broken Parachute]

His hair annoys me.

[Split2nd]

Win the East? Maybe. Regret giving him such a huge contract down the line, seeing as he's in his 30s already? Definitely.

[preppyak]

he doesn't guarentee them winning their division, let alone the east.
Every team in that division made the playoffs last year

[xearlynovemberx]

HELL YES! bobcats 4 lyfe

br0z 4 lYfe

[Split2nd]

br0z 4 lYfe
SRH4LIFE

[Brownpants06]

My friend is Ben's neighbor... he says Ben isn't going anywhere, but right now I'm not too confident. I hope he stays, but you never know.


Hahaha. And my neighbor's best friends cousins brother-in-law is Chris Bosh, he says he guarentees the raps champs next year.



(I have no idea whether your serious or not... but it just sounds funny)

[xearlynovemberx]

SRH4LIFE

que?

[Caleb Cattivera]

im not sure how close they would be to the playoffs. alot of teams have made vast improvements already this off season. the bucks, magic, celtics, and raptors are all going to be fighting for the playoffs too. if the bulls did make the playoffs, it'd be an 8 seed and they'd be out first round. big ben is great defensively, but i could do more offensivley than he does.

[justinevans]

Sixers have contacted Big Ben as well.

[FondestMemory]

Every team in that division made the playoffs last year

i know. and the bucks have gotten better. the cavs will be better. the pistons will still be the pistons, not the dominant ones, but pistons nonetheless. and indiana always finds a way to be competitive no matter what shit happens.

i'm just saying the bulls will not win that division. never said they wouldn't make the playoffs.

[DaveFeelsRight]

If they did...wowza

[bigmike]

if he walks away from 4 years $48 million to take a deal reportedly worth 4 years $52 million then fuck that dude, I don't want him here then. He'd be on the same level as Sergei "it's not about the money, it's about the championships but I'll walk from Detroit a cup contender year in, year out to go to Anaheim because i got offered more money" Fedorov.

[Talib Scottie]

They'd be a solid team, that's for damn sure.

[preppyak]

i know. and the bucks have gotten better. the cavs will be better. the pistons will still be the pistons, not the dominant ones, but pistons nonetheless. and indiana always finds a way to be competitive no matter what shit happens.

i'm just saying the bulls will not win that division. never said they wouldn't make the playoffs. Oh, I was agreeing...and pointing out the ridiculousness of that.

The Bulls are a 6 seed next year...they'll have more consistency throughout the regular season from Gordon/Hinrich/Nocioni

[zizou1790]

everyone is overlooking how young the bulls are, if this deal goes through Bulls IMO will be a top 4 seed in the East and a strong contender

[FondestMemory]

everyone is overlooking how young the bulls are, if this deal goes through Bulls IMO will be a top 4 seed in the East and a strong contender

but they won't win their division.

now it's just fun to say. but in seriousness, all hopes were high going in to last season because of how strong they ended the season. then they never really lived up to hype and didn't start playing well until the end of the season.

no matter who's on the team, they have to prove to me they can play well for a whole season and not just turn it on at the end.

[bigmike]

everyone is overlooking how young the bulls are, if this deal goes through Bulls IMO will be a top 4 seed in the East and a strong contender
...so because they're young they will win the east this year?

This is a plausible argument how again?

[justinevans]

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Pistons free-agent center Ben Wallace, who also is being courted by the Chicago Bulls, says he's disappointed by Detroit's $49.6 million, four-year contract offer.

The offer would pay $11.5 million the first year and would make him the highest-paid player on the team next season, $100,000 ahead of Rasheed Wallace.

"It was disappointing," Ben Wallace told The Detroit News on Sunday. "It was not at all what I expected."

Joe Dumars, the team's president for basketball operations, declined comment Sunday.

On Friday, Dumars told The Associated Press: "Our top priority is to re-sign Ben. Our goals are the same as they have been for the past five years, and that's to compete for the NBA title."

On Saturday, Wallace met in Michigan with Bulls general manager John Paxson and coach Scott Skiles. Wallace said the meeting was a good one but did not include an official offer.

"The door's not closed" on the Pistons, Wallace said. "I know it's a business and they have to run their business."

Wallace, who turns 32 on Sept. 10, said he is not looking for a deal of more than four years. He said he expects to hear from several other teams, including the Washington Wizards, New York Knicks and Cleveland Cavaliers.

[bigmike]

fuck that dude.

[zizou1790]

...so because they're young they will win the east this year?

This is a plausible argument how again?

they will be a season more expeirenced and developed next year

[FondestMemory]

Wallace, who turns 32 on Sept. 10, said he is not looking for a deal of more than four years. He said he expects to hear from several other teams, including the Washington Wizards, New York Knicks and Cleveland Cavaliers.

fuck that. i don't want him on the cavs.

[preppyak]

they will be a season more expeirenced and developed next year
true...but they still won't have an offensive 5 with him...though his defensive presence with Thomas would be pretty crazy.

I'd rather use the Knicks #1 pick next year and grab Oden or someone like that with it...keep building young and make a title run next year or so...

[StandMyBrothers]

SRH4LIFE DGAF! hahaha I think were the only ones who know what were talking about.

[preppyak]

DGAF! hahaha I think were the only ones who know what were talking about.
true story...

[StandMyBrothers]

Bros before Hoes *****

[justinevans]

IT IS OFFICIAL, WALLACE SIGNS WILL SIGN WITH THE BULLS.

The biggest free-agent prize of the NBA offseason appears to be off the market. Ben Wallace has informed the Pistons he will sign with the Bulls, Insider Chad Ford reports. The deal is believed to be $52M for four years

[zizou1790]

IT IS OFFICIAL, WALLACE SIGNS WILL SIGN WITH THE BULLS.

The biggest free-agent prize of the NBA offseason appears to be off the market. Ben Wallace has informed the Pistons he will sign with the Bulls, Insider Chad Ford reports. The deal is believed to be $52M for four years

wow... i didnt think this was actually gonna happen when i made this thread

[zizou1790]

I'd rather use the Knicks #1 pick next year and grab Oden or someone like that with it...keep building young and make a title run next year or so...


the bulls have knicks next year pick too?

[justinevans]

the bulls have knicks next year pick too?

well no, the bulls can swap picks with the knicks if the knicks have a better pick.

[Vincewithouthee]

the bulls have knicks next year pick too?

Yeah. Insane, I know.

Eh....the Bulls are kinda dumb to sign Ben. I'm iffy about this one.

[Vincewithouthee]

well no, the bulls can swap picks with the knicks if the knicks have a better pick.

Oh that's it? Well....still...that means they'll get at least the #5 pick next year. And next year's draft class is going to be really, really good.

[itsjdiggity]

Miami just won the east

[preppyak]

Miami just won the east
yep...Bulls made themselves a contender if Thomas is better than expected...but Detroit loses a lot of their force inside and Chicago didn't add enough offense to win it all I don't think

[Katie Schmitz]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508742

[Split2nd]

DGAF! hahaha I think were the only ones who know what were talking about.
hahaha seriously.

What a fucking douche bag, seriously. He says 4/48 is a lowball offer, but accepts 4/52? Is 1 million dollars really that much more for you when your "heart is in Detroit?" Wow. Pistons didn't even get shit out of it.

This is going to be bad for the Bulls in a couple years when Wallace is 34-35 IMO.

Can Hinrich - Gordon - Deng/Nocioni really handle the scoring load? Because Wallace and PJ Brown aren't going to give you much. Detroit could take his lack of offense because they had Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Sheed all as capable scorers, capable of erupting on any given night.

[itsjdiggity]

Detroit should've seriously kept Darko

[preppyak]

Can Hinrich - Gordon - Deng/Nocioni really handle the scoring load? Because Wallace and PJ Brown aren't going to give you much. Detroit could take his lack of offense because they had Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Sheed all as capable scorers, capable of erupting on any given night. Well, they'll use a little more depth from the bench...Duhon and probably their #16 pick "Swiss Miss"

But that was my point, even if Thomas is incredible, they still have no solid scoring at 4 or 5 (Thomas doesn't equal more than 10ish pg).

I mean, with Wallace they might have to put up 10 points fewer a game...I don't know, I'd rather have had JO or someone with offense to add too. Though, have to say, they put up plenty of points on the Heat in that series, so maybe that works

Look for the Bulls to now explore trade scenarios involving Tyson Chandler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3512).

I hope they find a scoring 4 or 5 option wiht that trade

[ActorInThisPlay]

Wallace is arguably the best defender in the NBA so of course he would improve the Bulls. The Bulls had no problem scoring with players like Hinrich on their team. They need a good veteran player who has playoff experience. Wallace will bring that to them.

[preppyak]

Wallace is arguably the best defender in the NBA so of course he would improve the Bulls. The Bulls had no problem scoring with players like Hinrich on their team. They need a good veteran player who has playoff experience. Wallace will bring that to them.
Excellent point...Hinrich = nasty.

Of course, he's my favorite player ever...so I may have some bias

[zizou1790]

Wallace is arguably the best defender in the NBA so of course he would improve the Bulls. The Bulls had no problem scoring with players like Hinrich on their team. They need a good veteran player who has playoff experience. Wallace will bring that to them.
i agree i cant believe all the ppl on here who are saying this is a bad signing, btw what makes next years class so special other than Greg Oden?

[preppyak]

i agree i cant believe all the ppl on here who are saying this is a bad signing, btw what makes next years class so special other than Greg Oden?
3 KU players are nasty...Kevin Durant...there are many others I am missing too by being short-sighted. Joakin Noah is there too...basically, this years draft had a decent amount of talent, but no major players...this upcoming draft, the opposite. Their are so many players that could be franchise guys...perennial all-stars in my mind.

[StandMyBrothers]

wow the Bulls don't have a center that can score.

[FondestMemory]

what the fuck does detroit do now? does sheed move to center and mcdyess start?

is there really any free agent worth persuing to fill his place?

i think the cavs take the division. losing him may be just enough for the pistons to slip and i don't think it's enough for the bulls to make the leap.

[zizou1790]

3 KU players are nasty...Kevin Durant...there are many others I am missing too by being short-sighted. Joakin Noah is there too...basically, this years draft had a decent amount of talent, but no major players...this upcoming draft, the opposite. Their are so many players that could be franchise guys...perennial all-stars in my mind.


oh wow i forgot about Noah, and Rush, im not familiar with Durant though, Hansborough if he leaves would be a top 5 pick i assume and Gray im sure will improve his stock this year

[Chriz2z]

The deal sounds as though it's for sure.

Dang

[zizou1790]

The deal sounds as though it's for sure.

Dang

sounds like your neighbor was wrong haha

[Chriz2z]

sounds like your neighbor was wrong haha
Yeah, you're right. Well, it was his neighbor, my friend. But yeah, he was wrong.

[Caleb Cattivera]

well, the bulls will at least be the 8 seed, but probably wont make it past the first round. fondest memory has to LOOOVE this signing, his cavs look ten times better because of this. and yes, the heat have already locked up the east now.

ben wallace is not going to bring chicago any glory, that's for damn sure.

[Caleb Cattivera]

oh and yes, the pistons should've kept darko. hahaha. if they'd only given him a chance, he proved at the end of the season last year with the magic that he does have a ton of potential. he put up more ppg than ben in less time, and also proved how good of a shot blocker he was.

way to go mr. dumars.

[FondestMemory]

well, the bulls will at least be the 8 seed, but probably wont make it past the first round. fondest memory has to LOOOVE this signing, his cavs look ten times better because of this. and yes, the heat have already locked up the east now.

ben wallace is not going to bring chicago any glory, that's for damn sure.

oh, i do. and i'm not giving it to the heat that easily.

although, rumour is they're looking to resign gooden instead of persuing mohammed. but, there's worse players than gooden. if only there were such a thing as a consistency clause in contracts.

[ntb60]

what the fuck does detroit do now? does sheed move to center and mcdyess start?

is there really any free agent worth persuing to fill his place?

i think the cavs take the division. losing him may be just enough for the pistons to slip and i don't think it's enough for the bulls to make the leap.


This is a huge signing that shifts the balance of power in the east a little bit more. Should be very interesting to watch Big Ben against his old team this fall. But I still can't believe they let him walk though

[ntb60]

oh and yes, the pistons should've kept darko. hahaha. if they'd only given him a chance, he proved at the end of the season last year with the magic that he does have a ton of potential. he put up more ppg than ben in less time, and also proved how good of a shot blocker he was.

way to go mr. dumars.


I would laugh very hard if Darko keeps building on the end of last year. No one ever wanted to give the guy half a chance in Detroit.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I would laugh very hard if Darko keeps building on the end of last year. No one ever wanted to give the guy half a chance in Detroit.

he can only get better. he's going to finally be starting next season, he only got one start for orlando, but played 20 mpg. put up averages of 8 points, 4 boards and 2 blocks and shot 51% from the field. in a starting role i'd expect darko to put up around 17 points, 8 boards and 3 blocks per next season. those stats matched along with dwight howard who i think could be a potential 20 and 10 guy, will give the magic a good shot at doing something in the playoffs.

[Caleb Cattivera]

My friend is Ben's neighbor... he says Ben isn't going anywhere, but right now I'm not too confident. I hope he stays, but you never know.

high profile free agents always tell their neighbors what they're doing.

not to knock you, but i think your friend fed you some bull shit.

[Brownpants06]

Ha, the bulls are going to be good. Does Big Ben really need that extra 4 million? Is that a big step up? What a cock. Shades of Johnny Damon

[FreshyFresh23]

Originally Posted by Chriz2z
My friend is Ben's neighbor... he says Ben isn't going anywhere, but right now I'm not too confident. I hope he stays, but you never know.


your friend is an idiot....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508742

Hes gone

[itsjdiggity]

spoon fed with some high fructose corn syrup, *****

[ntb60]

he can only get better. he's going to finally be starting next season, he only got one start for orlando, but played 20 mpg. put up averages of 8 points, 4 boards and 2 blocks and shot 51% from the field. in a starting role i'd expect darko to put up around 17 points, 8 boards and 3 blocks per next season. those stats matched along with dwight howard who i think could be a potential 20 and 10 guy, will give the magic a good shot at doing something in the playoffs.


Still a little skeptical but if he does turn out like you say, boy that 2003 draft is looking better all the time.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Still a little skeptical but if he does turn out like you say, boy that 2003 draft is looking better all the time.

what makes you skeptical, he's already began to prove he's not the bust everyone thought he was. joe dumars is going to be the next isiah thomas.

[ntb60]

Well there had to be a reason the guy didn't play for two years in Detroit. And teams just don't give up on #2 overall picks that easily. I hope he turns out well because I am a huge Dwight Howard fan and they would only help one another but yeah, Lets see how he does in a full time starting role before anointing him.

[FondestMemory]

Ha, the bulls are going to be good. Does Big Ben really need that extra 4 million? Is that a big step up? What a cock. Shades of Johnny Damon

if somebody is willing to pay you $10 million dollars, and some place else is offering you $14 million to do the same thing, which are you gonna do?

four million dollars is a lot of money. even if it's the difference between 48 and 52, that's a shitload of money.

[Caleb Cattivera]

if somebody is willing to pay you $10 million dollars, and some place else is offering you $14 million to do the same thing, which are you gonna do?

four million dollars is a lot of money. even if it's the difference between 48 and 52, that's a shitload of money.

ding ding ding.

fondest memory, you and i think alot alike alot of the time.

[Brownpants06]

if somebody is willing to pay you $10 million dollars, and some place else is offering you $14 million to do the same thing, which are you gonna do?

four million dollars is a lot of money. even if it's the difference between 48 and 52, that's a shitload of money.

If Microsoft offers you 10 million, but Enron is going to offer you 14, which would you rather work for? It's all about the rings.

[FondestMemory]

Well there had to be a reason the guy didn't play for two years in Detroit. And teams just don't give up on #2 overall picks that easily. I hope he turns out well because I am a huge Dwight Howard fan and they would only help one another but yeah, Lets see how he does in a full time starting role before anointing him.

larry brown hates to play rookies. especially when he has all star quality players starting.

it's not darko's fault he didn't play. it's solely because of the team he went to. had wade or melo went to the pistons, they'd have been put through the same shit.

and they had to dump him. paying a guy second pick money who isn't moving up the bench at all isn't good business. getting something in return for him before he's free to leave town is.

in hindsight it's not the best move. but they went to two straight finals and won one running business like that.

[Chriz2z]

high profile free agents always tell their neighbors what they're doing.

not to knock you, but i think your friend fed you some bull shit.
Yeah, I know what you mean.

[FondestMemory]

If Microsoft offers you 10 million, but Enron is going to offer you 14, which would you rather work for? It's all about the rings.

he's got a ring.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Well there had to be a reason the guy didn't play for two years in Detroit. And teams just don't give up on #2 overall picks that easily. I hope he turns out well because I am a huge Dwight Howard fan and they would only help one another but yeah, Lets see how he does in a full time starting role before anointing him.

the only reason he didnt play is because he always had players in front of him. big ben, mehmet okur, elden campbell, and antonio mcdyess. remember larry brown hated playing rookies prior to this season. darko trade rumors had been floating for awhile, and finally happened.

[Chriz2z]

Originally Posted by Chriz2z
My friend is Ben's neighbor... he says Ben isn't going anywhere, but right now I'm not too confident. I hope he stays, but you never know.


your friend is an idiot....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508742

Hes gone
Yup, but my friend isn't an idiot. He's just not sports savvy. I even said in that quote right there I didn't think Ben's status as a Piston was safe.

[FondestMemory]

ding ding ding.

fondest memory, you and i think alot alike alot of the time.

cause we're both incredibally smart.

[itsjdiggity]

If Microsoft offers you 10 million, but Enron is going to offer you 14, which would you rather work for? It's all about the rings.

Enron

[Caleb Cattivera]

Yup, but my friend isn't an idiot. He's just not sports savvy. I even said in that quote right there I didn't think Ben's status as a Piston was safe.

yeah, but it was like 'my friend's dog groomers brothers best friend's cousin' is michael jordan's son's teachers best friend.

[Split2nd]

It's a difference of 4 million over 4 years, don't forget that. If the best *young* team in the East offers you 10 million and another young team with not half as much talent offers you 11, and you SAY that your HEART IS IN DETROIT, which do you choose? Lie to the fucking fans over 1 million?

I don't think he's the best defensive player in the league. He's a great rebounder, and a very good shotblocker, but his man defense is nothing that spectacular. I'd take Artest over him as best defender any day.

[Chriz2z]

the only reason he didnt play is because he always had players in front of him. big ben, mehmet okur, elden campbell, and antonio mcdyess. remember larry brown hated playing rookies prior to this season. darko trade rumors had been floating for awhile, and finally happened.
There was a rumor in Detroit during the off-season either a year or two ago about the Hawks wanting to trade Darko for Al Harrington. We should have taken that deal instead of getting Cato, who played 12 minutes for us.

[wessa]

It's a difference of 4 million over 4 years, don't forget that. If the best *young* team in the East offers you 10 million and another young team with not half as much talent offers you 11, and you SAY that your HEART IS IN DETROIT, which do you choose? Lie to the fucking fans over 1 million?

I don't think he's the best defensive player in the league. He's a great rebounder, and a very good shotblocker, but his man defense is nothing that spectacular. I'd take Artest over him as best defender any day.

kirilenko is better than him as well.

Honestly, i think this was a horrible move by chicago. He is 32 and he can barely do anything offensively. He benefits a lot from rasheed, he gets so many blocks by being the second guy coming over in help defense. But whenever he goes up against the great big men (duncan, shaq) he doesnt shut them down.

[Caleb Cattivera]

There was a rumor in Detroit during the off-season either a year or two ago about the Hawks wanting to trade Darko for Al Harrington. We should have taken that deal instead of getting Cato, who played 12 minutes for us.

haha for real. i wouldnt mind having darko here. him and zaza would've been tough.

[Chriz2z]

haha for real. i wouldnt mind having darko here. him and zaza would've been tough.
The Pistons gave up on Darko and I could see him blowing up madly in Orlando.

[FondestMemory]

It's a difference of 4 million over 4 years, don't forget that. If the best *young* team in the East offers you 10 million and another young team with not half as much talent offers you 11, and you SAY that your HEART IS IN DETROIT, which do you choose? Lie to the fucking fans over 1 million?

I don't think he's the best defensive player in the league. He's a great rebounder, and a very good shotblocker, but his man defense is nothing that spectacular. I'd take Artest over him as best defender any day.

it still adds up to four million dollars. and even if it didn't, a million dollars is a lot of money.

i don't get people ripping on dudes for taking more money. any one of us would jump at a chance to make more money, what makes him any different.

and if he's leaving detroit anyways, do you really think he cares if he's lying to the fans?

[Caleb Cattivera]

it still adds up to four million dollars. and even if it didn't, a million dollars is a lot of money.

i don't get people ripping on dudes for taking more money. any one of us would jump at a chance to make more money, what makes him any different.

and if he's leaving detroit anyways, do you really think he cares if he's lying to the fans?

exactly. anyone in here who says they wouldnt take more money is full of shit. good for big ben on getting a big pay day.

sorry detroit fans. you're starting center is going to be either dale davis or kelvin cato. wa wa wa.

[Chriz2z]

exactly. anyone in here who says they wouldnt take more money is full of shit. good for big ben on getting a big pay day.

sorry detroit fans. you're starting center is going to be either dale davis or kelvin cato. wa wa wa.
We could move Rasheed to C and play McDyess at the 4 spot?

[itsjdiggity]

Breaking News: Big Ben replaced?

[Caleb Cattivera]

We could move Rasheed to C and play McDyess at the 4 spot?

still woudlnt work, sheed would get dominated and mcdyess isnt antonio from 8 years ago...he's not durable enough to be a starter.

[Chriz2z]

still woudlnt work, sheed would get dominated and mcdyess isnt antonio from 8 years ago...he's not durable enough to be a starter.
I know, I know... trying to have some hope here.

[zizou1790]

imagine if they can steal the #1 pick from the Knicks next year and pickup Oden


A Dynasty would ensue..

[itsjdiggity]

http://i6.tinypic.com/16kuutg.jpg
Big Elden!

[richter915]

this is gigantic in every way possible. I'm not a basketball fan at all but everyone in my suite feared Wallace. I mean, he blocked Shaq...gigantic.

[sweethypocrisy]

about 50 mil to stay with your team of 6 years that is in the playoffs every year and has the chance of winning it all each year, or 60 to go with a team that squeaked into the playoffs last year and lost in the first round, what do you choose? whats 10 million out of the millions you already have? fucking selfish and greedy.

[Split2nd]

I don't think it's fair to say that everyone of us would take the 1 million per year and leave a great situation. You never know that until the opportunity arises.

However, I take back what I said. It's unfair for me to accuse him of being a greedy bastard.

He could have really liked the Bulls, the environment, Skiles, management, and the direction they're going in. He could have wanted badly to play for the Bulls.

HOWEVER, I don't think it's right to say that he really wants to go back to Detroit, and his heart is in Detroit, etc. etc. and then bolt the team for $1 million more per year. If you're going to leave the team for a relatively insignificant amount to the contract, don't blatantly lie to the team and its fans. If he really wanted to stay in Detroit, he would've taken his 12 Million per instead of 13.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I don't think it's fair to say that everyone of us would take the 1 million per year and leave a great situation. You never know that until the opportunity arises.

However, I take back what I said. It's unfair for me to accuse him of being a greedy bastard.

He could have really liked the Bulls, the environment, Skiles, management, and the direction they're going in. He could have wanted badly to play for the Bulls.

HOWEVER, I don't think it's right to say that he really wants to go back to Detroit, and his heart is in Detroit, etc. etc. and then bolt the team for $1 million more per year. If you're going to leave the team for a relatively insignificant amount to the contract, don't blatantly lie to the team and its fans. If he really wanted to stay in Detroit, he would've taken his 12 Million per instead of 13.

he didn't get along with flip near the end. i think that had something to do with it too.

whoever said if the bulls get ogden, a dynasty would ensue...is on crack.

[iamjeremywillia]

he didn't get along with flip near the end. i think that had something to do with it too.

whoever said if the bulls get ogden, a dynasty would ensue...is on crack.

i believe his name is ODEN. regardless, the bulls have addressed every need except one. they still dont have a 20 pt scorer every night. maybe their plan is to just give up 55 points a game. lol

[itsjdiggity]

http://i6.tinypic.com/16laah0.jpg

racism aside, this dude looks like a monkey

[Caleb Cattivera]

i believe his name is ODEN. regardless, the bulls have addressed every need except one. they still dont have a 20 pt scorer every night. maybe their plan is to just give up 55 points a game. lol

typo. my bad. dick.

[bigmike]

I didn't read this thread but fuck this piece of shit. I don't give a fuck what he's done for us the last fucking few years. This guy needs to get fucking booed out of the state of fucking michigan when the bulls come to the palace. I'm so angry right now. This is fucking ridiculous. I used to hate Sergei Fedorov for saying "it's about the championships, not the money" and then bolting to Anaheim for more money but he's a fucking saint compared to this big piece of shit.

Fuck this guy. "an embarrassing offer" are you kidding me? We fucking build your career because we're the only team in the league willing to take a chance on you and actually play you and you fucking bolt for fucking $4 million more? What a fucking waste of cheering this douchebag for the last 5 years. I hope he blows both knees out and never plays a fucking game again.


he didn't get along with flip near the end. i think that had something to do with it too.

whoever said if the bulls get ogden, a dynasty would ensue...is on crack.
I know he had problems with flip but it's a fucking Player run league and coaches lose their jobs all the time because management has to side with the guys they're throwing too much money at. So fucking pissed off.

Fuck this dude. Fuck Ben Wallace. dasjkfsdiop bhu9ahbfdjvkadshbipenvoanbhpashfeio wasdhvrasgn dfobhndsafsdaklfdas
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[Caleb Cattivera]

I didn't read this thread but fuck this piece of shit. I don't give a fuck what he's done for us the last fucking few years. This guy needs to get fucking booed out of the state of fucking michigan when the bulls come to the palace. I'm so angry right now. This is fucking ridiculous. I used to hate Sergei Fedorov for saying "it's about the championships, not the money" and then bolting to Anaheim for more money but he's a fucking saint compared to this big piece of shit.

Fuck this guy. "an embarrassing offer" are you kidding me? We fucking build your career because we're the only team in the league willing to take a chance on you and actually play you and you fucking bolt for fucking $4 million more? What a fucking waste of cheering this douchebag for the last 5 years. I hope he blows both knees out and never plays a fucking game again.



I know he had problems with flip but it's a fucking Player run league and coaches lose their jobs all the time because management has to side with the guys they're throwing too much money at. So fucking pissed off.

Fuck this dude. Fuck Ben Wallace. dasjkfsdiop bhu9ahbfdjvkadshbipenvoanbhpashfeio wasdhvrasgn dfobhndsafsdaklfdas
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actually washington was the team that gave him a chance, then orlando, then you. he was pulling down 8 boards a game in 25 mins per...he had proved himself as a good defensive presence.

[bigmike]

actually washington was the team that gave him a chance, then orlando, then you. he was pulling down 8 boards a game in 25 mins per...he had proved himself as a good defensive presence.
Was he starting there? I don't remember him starting in either places, but i could be wrong.

However, by "giving him a chance" you know what i meant.

and either way, i'm still pissed the fuck off. but what's worse is that i was completely mentally prepared for it and didn't really expect him back and him calling detroit's offer embarrassing is ridiculous.

[Drew Beringer]

Well I would say this helps the Pacers, but Larry Bird is our biggest rival right now.

[ActorInThisPlay]

i believe his name is ODEN. regardless, the bulls have addressed every need except one. they still dont have a 20 pt scorer every night. maybe their plan is to just give up 55 points a game. lol
I think Hinrich could easily be their 20 ppg scorer.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Was he starting there? I don't remember him starting in either places, but i could be wrong.

However, by "giving him a chance" you know what i meant.

and either way, i'm still pissed the fuck off. but what's worse is that i was completely mentally prepared for it and didn't really expect him back and him calling detroit's offer embarrassing is ridiculous.

he only started 30 games his first three eyars with washington. but when he went to orlando and started 81 games.

[Split2nd]

Hinrich is the man... but I still don't see the Bulls winning the East because they don't have interior scoring. I almost forgot that they got Tyrus Thomas. It's too bad by the time he's able to realize his full potential, Wallace will be old and overpaid. I don't think this is a smart move by the Bulls. Chandler is already one of the best big men defenders in the league, and they were atop the league in almost all defensive statistics. What they needed was a big name TWO WAY player IMO. It's sad that this FA class is so weak. Their cap space could've gone towards someone like Jermaine O'neal.

If Zo comes back, I don't see the Heat losing in the East.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Hinrich is the man... but I still don't see the Bulls winning the East because they don't have interior scoring. I almost forgot that they got Tyrus Thomas. It's too bad by the time he's able to realize his full potential, Wallace will be old and overpaid. I don't think this is a smart move by the Bulls. Chandler is already one of the best big men defenders in the league, and they were atop the league in almost all defensive statistics. What they needed was a big name TWO WAY player IMO. It's sad that this FA class is so weak. Their cap space could've gone towards someone like Jermaine O'neal.

If Zo comes back, I don't see the Heat losing in the East.
yeah the Heat will be hard to top next season now...Wade is just getting better and better every year. Wade or Lebron will win MVP next year for sure...I'll almost guarantee it.

[bigmike]

he only started 30 games his first three eyars with washington. but when he went to orlando and started 81 games.
ahh. i didn't think he played that much in orlando. wow. 81 starts. not bad. but still. fuck ben wallace.

[FondestMemory]

i still don't understand how hard it is for some people to understand that four million dollars is a shitload of money?

dude's looking out for his family and his future. i don't see what's wrong with that.

[justinevans]

i still don't understand how hard it is for some people to understand that four million dollars is a shitload of money?

dude's looking out for his family and his future. i don't see what's wrong with that.

it was 12 extra million from the bulls.

[sweethypocrisy]

i still don't understand how hard it is for some people to understand that four million dollars is a shitload of money?

dude's looking out for his family and his future. i don't see what's wrong with that.
but, if hes already making 50 million, why is it such a big difference that you would leave your team of 6 years? come on dude, thats bullshit, he doesnt even need 50 million. guess what, my mom looks out for my family, and she does it without millions, im pretty sure he wouldve been able to survive with the twelve less million. this pisses me off and im a fucking cavs fan.

[FondestMemory]

but, if hes already making 50 million, why is it such a big difference that you would leave your team of 6 years? come on dude, thats bullshit, he doesnt even need 50 million. guess what, my mom looks out for my family, and she does it without millions, im pretty sure he wouldve been able to survive with the twelve less million. this pisses me off and im a fucking cavs fan.

so, if your mom, who looks out for your family already, is offered a job making 25% more than she is now, is she a fucking bitch if she puts the better of her family first and takes the job? even if it means leaving a job she was at for years?

i don't care if it's 100 million and 104 million, that doesn't make four million dollars any less of a shitload of money. and considering it's 12, how can he be criticised at all? that's like at least three more generations of future wallaces that are set. so he's a fucking asshole for doing what any one of us would have done?

i just don't see how he can be hated for this. especially as a cavs fan. i'm a diehard cavs fan and i couldn't be happier that he's out of detroit.

just think for a second how stupid it sounds when you make $12 million sound like 25 cents.

[justinevans]

so, if your mom, who looks out for your family already, is offered a job making 25% more than she is now, is she a fucking bitch if she puts the better of her family first and takes the job? even if it means leaving a job she was at for years?

i don't care if it's 100 million and 104 million, that doesn't make four million dollars any less of a shitload of money. and considering it's 12, how can he be criticised at all? that's like at least three more generations of future wallaces that are set. so he's a fucking asshole for doing what any one of us would have done?

i just don't see how he can be hated for this. especially as a cavs fan. i'm a diehard cavs fan and i couldn't be happier that he's out of detroit.

just think for a second how stupid it sounds when you make $12 million sound like 25 cents.

he'll still spend it all on some mtv cribs style home and be a broke OG 10 years out of the league =)

[justinevans]

so, if your mom, who looks out for your family already, is offered a job making 25% more than she is now, is she a fucking bitch if she puts the better of her family first and takes the job? even if it means leaving a job she was at for years?

i don't care if it's 100 million and 104 million, that doesn't make four million dollars any less of a shitload of money. and considering it's 12, how can he be criticised at all? that's like at least three more generations of future wallaces that are set. so he's a fucking asshole for doing what any one of us would have done?

i just don't see how he can be hated for this. especially as a cavs fan. i'm a diehard cavs fan and i couldn't be happier that he's out of detroit.

just think for a second how stupid it sounds when you make $12 million sound like 25 cents.

it just stabs the team that you performed best with in your career. Damon to the yanks, wallace to the bulls. they are inner-division rivals. And he is a scumbag because he was disappointed with 12 million a year.

[FondestMemory]

it just stabs the team that you performed best with in your career. Damon to the yanks, wallace to the bulls. they are inner-division rivals. And he is a scumbag because he was disappointed with 12 million a year.

are you going to work the job you work now for the rest of your life? or do you think at one point you'll want to move on and try a change of scenery? or maybe somebody will offer you more money for doing the same thing, so much more that it'd be silly to turn down?

it's just ridiculous to criticise somebody for making a decision that benefits them and their family. cause anybody in here would do the exact same thing if given the chance.

[zizou1790]

I think Hinrich could easily be their 20 ppg scorer.

so could oden, thomas, or deng

[Brownpants06]

So much for my arguement. 12 Million over 4 years is considerably more to go to the Bulls.

[ActorInThisPlay]

are you going to work the job you work now for the rest of your life? or do you think at one point you'll want to move on and try a change of scenery? or maybe somebody will offer you more money for doing the same thing, so much more that it'd be silly to turn down?

it's just ridiculous to criticise somebody for making a decision that benefits them and their family. cause anybody in here would do the exact same thing if given the chance.
yeah I agree. Players move on, they go to different teams for different reasons. Maybe something else was happening that we don't know about. Wallace might have felt it was time to move on because he wasn't getting along with Flip. Who knows and I know I sure as hell don't and neither do any of you probably. Even if he did do it for strictly money, who cares? It's his decision and sure Pistons fans will be sad to see him go but shit happens, move on.

[DaveFeelsRight]

So it's offical, or so says the news paper

[Caleb Cattivera]

so could oden, thomas, or deng

haha you talk like the bulls already have oden. i doubt the bulls even get him.

[zizou1790]

haha you talk like the bulls already have oden. i doubt the bulls even get him.

hahaha i know i know but there is a good chance they will get him the Knicks have a stockpile of nothing, with one of the dumbest coaches and owners

[Split2nd]

I don't even think it's a lock that Oden comes out next year... but the Knicks are easily the worst team in the league. Although I think Renaldo Balkman may turn them around.

[Split2nd]

Wade is a monster, but I don't think he'll win MVP next year. It'll go to LeBron, or maybe even Kobe depending on how good the Lakers are.

[zizou1790]

I don't even think it's a lock that Oden comes out next year... but the Knicks are easily the worst team in the league. Although I think Renaldo Balkman may turn them around.


haha Balkman? is that a joke?

[ActorInThisPlay]

Wade is a monster, but I don't think he'll win MVP next year. It'll go to LeBron, or maybe even Kobe depending on how good the Lakers are.
Yeah James is most likely going to get it.

[LeftWideOpen]

I don't think it's fair to say that everyone of us would take the 1 million per year and leave a great situation. You never know that until the opportunity arises.

However, I take back what I said. It's unfair for me to accuse him of being a greedy bastard.

He could have really liked the Bulls, the environment, Skiles, management, and the direction they're going in. He could have wanted badly to play for the Bulls.

HOWEVER, I don't think it's right to say that he really wants to go back to Detroit, and his heart is in Detroit, etc. etc. and then bolt the team for $1 million more per year. If you're going to leave the team for a relatively insignificant amount to the contract, don't blatantly lie to the team and its fans. If he really wanted to stay in Detroit, he would've taken his 12 Million per instead of 13.

I agree with this. This whole situation reminds me a lot of what happened this winter w/ Judas Damon, actually. I have no problem with a player taking the money and taking off, it's just when he spews bullshit beforehand in hopes that the fans will throw him a pity party. Don't say your heart is in Detroit (or Boston w/ Damon) and then turn down $48 million to stay there. It was never about his heart, it was always about his wallet. The sad part of it all is that he tried to make people think differently.

[Split2nd]

Yeah... Damon is a prick.

[trustmeimokay]

I can't believe Ben Wallace is officially with the Bulls...

[preppyak]

I can't believe Ben Wallace is officially with the Bulls...
I'm happy, but it also scares the hell out of me at the same time...we are easily one of the best defensive teams now, Hinrich, Wallace, Thomas are a trio of excellent defenders, and apparently our first round pick the "Swiss Miss" is supposed to be good as well. It's just that Wallace adds like 6 ppg, which is about what Chandler put up...

hahaha i know i know but there is a good chance they will get him the Knicks have a stockpile of nothing, with one of the dumbest coaches and owners
Yeah...but odds wise it's still unlikely...with the draft lottery and everything, anything can happen. They don't even need Oden, hell, at this moment, they need none of their picks next year, so they might be able to trade it for a later pick and a solid bench player

[trustmeimokay]

I guess I'm a semi Bulls fan now...