Leno Back To 11:30, Conan May Be Out

[MyWorldEntire]

According to TMZ: http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/07/jay-leno-nbc-conan-obrien-tonight-show/

Jay Leno is going back to his 11:30 PM time slot, and it's looking like Conan O'Brien is the odd man out ... sources tell TMZ. We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.

[IAmNietzche]

Is Conan not good?

[drudo182]

Wow. That sucks for Conan.

His ratings are death apparently.

[TerrancePryor]

Wow. That sucks for Conan.

His ratings are death apparently.

Are you talking about Conan or Leno?

[drudo182]

Well, both actually....

[Blakebear]

I've always preferred Leno.

[drudo182]

Are you in your forties?

[Talib Scottie]

Conan was doing fine against Letterman until Leno came to the 10 slot.

[a nice person]

if nbc were to get rid of leno, conan's ratings would go way up.

[KellyGleason]

i've always preferred letterman..

[Smash Adams]

They should get rid of Carson Daly, I don't know how this is at all related, he's just terrible

[Foosimoo]

They should get rid of Carson Daly, I don't know how this is at all related, he's just terrible

This.

[beth danger]

This is so stupid. Leno needs to retire for real. When Conan took over Late Night it took him a couple of years to hit his stride too. NBC just needs to give him a chance.

[muttley]

I'm surprised Conan is getting the raw end of this deal. Always figured he was the one hogging up all of the ratings. Hopefully this isn't true.

[ZeoVGM]

They should get rid of Carson Daly, I don't know how this is at all related, he's just terrible

Not anymore. Since the format switch, Carson's show has been pretty good.

On that note it looks as if it's going to be:

11:35 - Leno
12:05 - Conan
1:05 - Fallon

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/update-nbc-plans-leno-at-1130-conan-at-12/

[ohitsmark]

I always thought when Conan took over, Leno was done for. Once he announced his new show, I was mostly WTF at it.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Jay Leno is going back to his 11:30 PM time slot, and it's looking like Conan O'Brien is the odd man out ... sources tell TMZ. Relax. I'm not worried. This would be a incredibly stupid decision and I doubt it would happen. They'll probably give Leno something to do occasionally like a few specials here and there if they really wanted to do something. Conan overtime will overtake Letterman.

Not anymore. Since the format switch, Carson's show has been pretty good.

On that note it looks as if it's going to be:

11:35 - Leno
12:05 - Conan
1:05 - Fallon

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/update-nbc-plans-leno-at-1130-conan-at-12/
In the highly slim chance this ends up being true, Fuck you NBC. Keep Fallon at 12:35 dammit. It's too fucking late. They would just ruin all of the hard work it's taken to put all of this together because Leno doesn't have a clue. And this is from someone who thinks Leno is ok (personality wise, jokes/bit are horrible)

[drudo182]

It would be so insulting to hire Conan then can the guy cause Leno is getting moved back.

I'd like to think Leno would have the spine to say he wouldn't come back if it mean Conan would be out of a job.

[ZeoVGM]

Relax. I'm not worried. This would be a incredibly stupid decision and I doubt it would happen. They'll probably give Leno something to do occasionally like a few specials here and there if they really wanted to do something. Conan overtime will overtake Letterman.


In the highly slim chance this ends up being true, Fuck you NBC. Keep Fallon at 12:35 dammit. It's too fucking late. They would just ruin all of the hard work it's taken to put all of this together because Leno doesn't have a clue. And this is from someone who thinks Leno is ok (personality wise, jokes/bit are horrible)

Why do you think this is highly slim? TMZ is rarely ever wrong and the story is everywhere now.

[atticus18244fss]

Fallon is where it's at.

[Yellowcard2006]

I hope Conan stays. I watch his show every night.

[jwicklun]

Dammit just get rid of Leno. He is not funny, if his show is unsuccessful then just cancel it. A new time will not do much.

[Thomas Balkcom]

Dammit just get rid of Leno. He is not funny, if his show is unsuccessful then just cancel it. A new time will not do much.

badass avatar

[Justin_stacy]

I sort of wish this 'experiment' had work, we don't watch it with any regularity, but its nice to have something new/comedy-ish to watch on those night when there's nothing else on but shitty network drama's, csi or reality shows. It seems like tuesday night we end up on NBC alot in the 9pm hour.

[fredrico0012]

Are you in your forties?

Telling jokes that bomb and then jumping around and making funny noises is not funny.

[drudo182]

Telling jokes that bomb and then jumping around and making funny noises is not funny.

Grandpa? Is that you?

[jwicklun]

badass avatar
Hey, look at my feet. You like those moccasins? Look in your closet; there's a pair for you. Don't like them? Then neither do I!

[FueledByRock]

Damn, this sucks. I love Conan and Fallon was on early enough that I could stay awake and fall asleep once it ended. I don't envision myself staying awake till two just to see Fallon. Leno is just terrible.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Why do you think this is highly slim? TMZ is rarely ever wrong and the story is everywhere now.
Because TMZ is still a gossip site. And the term "sources" always makes me skeptical. People are always jumping the gun with the late night wars anyway. But now that other people are picking up we'll see. I also think it's slim because it's a stupid decision but maybe I'm putting too much faith in NBC for doing the smart thing.

Damn, this sucks. I love Conan and Fallon was on early enough that I could stay awake and fall asleep once it ended. I don't envision myself staying awake till two just to see Fallon. Leno is just terrible.
My problem. This really is an insult to both Conan and Fallon considering they both have been getting things set up in their time spots and NBC wants to fuck it up even more. They are mental if they think Leno is that valuable.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

This sucks. So basically they moved Conan up to the Late night time slot (which is an honor considering the legacy), then they gave Leno his own show on before Conan again, and now they're moving Leno back to 11:30 which pushes Conan back to almost the exact same time his old show used to start at. Essentially they just shuffled time slots around for a while and now it's going to be almost the same way it used to be. Leno just has a shorter show and Conan starts a wee bit earlier than 12:30.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

This whole thing has really made me despise Leno who I used like as a personality. They canceled Southland for this shit and now he's fucking with Conan. Fuck him seriously.

[fake empire]

Grandpa? Is that you?
lol

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/01/jay-leno-cracks-jokes-about-his-future-at-nbc-on-his-show.html

Wow:

"But Kev, if we did get canceled it will give us time to do some traveling. I understand that Fox is beautiful this time of year."

What a dick. The guy is clearly putting pressure on NBC, and to even joke about moving over to the Fox network of all places is so political on his part.

[popdisaster00]

It would be so insulting to hire Conan then can the guy cause Leno is getting moved back.

I'd like to think Leno would have the spine to say he wouldn't come back if it mean Conan would be out of a job.
This. So fucking weak.

[exploration #4]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/01/jay-leno-cracks-jokes-about-his-future-at-nbc-on-his-show.html

Wow:



What a dick. The guy is clearly putting pressure on NBC, and to even joke about moving over to the Fox network of all places is so political on his part.

If Fox gets a late night show, it's going to mess with my Seinfeld/King of the Hill reruns. This means war.

[ZeoVGM]

This whole thing has really made me despise Leno who I used like as a personality. They canceled Southland for this shit and now he's fucking with Conan. Fuck him seriously.

This is kind of ridiculous. NBC was putting pressure on Conan to step down and let Conan take over but he still had time in him when 2009 came around. Either he stays with NBC or he goes to Fox or ABC. And you think NBC is going to do that? Leno shouldn't have to give up what he loves doing just for Conan.

HE isn't fucking with Conan. NBC is.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/01/jay-leno-cracks-jokes-about-his-future-at-nbc-on-his-show.html

Wow:



What a dick. The guy is clearly putting pressure on NBC, and to even joke about moving over to the Fox network of all places is so political on his part.

If you watched the monologue it's clear he wasn't being a dick. He was just telling a joke and his attitude about it was very silly.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

This is kind of ridiculous. NBC was putting pressure on Conan to step down and let Conan take over but he still had time in him when 2009 came around. Either he stays with NBC or he goes to Fox or ABC. And you think NBC is going to do that? Leno shouldn't have to give up what he loves doing just for Conan.

HE isn't fucking with Conan. NBC is.
His show isn't good. That's the problem. And because that's not a success he's infringing on Conan's spot because he sucks. I get that Leno loves it, but it doesn't deserve special attention or effort. There are other ways for him to do that anyway. Conan's been doing this for less than a year and to have this issue come up again so soon is insulting.

I'd say both if Leno is willing enough to go along with it.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

This is kind of ridiculous. NBC was putting pressure on Conan to step down and let Conan take over but he still had time in him when 2009 came around. Either he stays with NBC or he goes to Fox or ABC. And you think NBC is going to do that? Leno shouldn't have to give up what he loves doing just for Conan.

HE isn't fucking with Conan. NBC is.



If you watched the monologue it's clear he wasn't being a dick. He was just telling a joke and his attitude about it was very silly.
Well, admittedly I didn't watch the monologue because I don't watch Leno. I like your above analysis though. I'm just upset because I'm a Cone Bone fan and this upsets me (so I'm acting out childishly over the internet).

[EvilZeppelin]

They should get rid of Carson Daly, I don't know how this is at all related, he's just terrible

Conan should just have Carson's time slot and Leno get's his old time slot back.

[showmethefever]

I honestly think that Fallon is anything but funny.

[mht]

Conan is actually doing the shittiest out of all of them. The dude has become old hat amongst the hip crowd. Overall and all around, I know the guy is god awful/shit but Fallons show as a whole, is not that bad and has shown some promise. Good house band, nice guests/conduction of interviews and usually the musical guests are the by far the best out of all these late night shit shows.

[kboe@bex.net]

Conan>

[popdisaster00]

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/07/nbc-leno-show-has-performed-as-we-anticipated/

NBC says different (obviously)

[SanePsychotic]

I hate Leno. Always have an always will. :thumbdwn:

[Skadrist]

In the words of Jim Kelly "Bull shit Mr. Han man!"

[jwicklun]

Conan should just have Carson's time slot and Leno get's his old time slot back.
how about Leno just be cancelled all together? If the show is failing, then whats the point?

[atticus18244fss]

I honestly think that Fallon is anything but funny.
It took a while (few months) for him to get comfortable but now his show is the best of them all. Great skits.

[And Hours Pass]

Damn, this sucks. I love Conan and Fallon was on early enough that I could stay awake and fall asleep once it ended. I don't envision myself staying awake till two just to see Fallon. Leno is just terrible.
Exactly this. Fallon & Conan - great. Leno - crap.

[iamtaylorrr]

It took a while (few months) for him to get comfortable but now his show is the best of them all. Great skits.
Yeah, the Housewives skits are excellent.

[itsmesean0630]

Conan is actually doing the shittiest out of all of them. The dude has become old hat amongst the hip crowd. Overall and all around, I know the guy is god awful/shit but Fallons show as a whole, is not that bad and has shown some promise. Good house band, nice guests/conduction of interviews and usually the musical guests are the by far the best out of all these late night shit shows.

I agree with the Fallon part. His show is great. And I love Conan part, but to be fair, ever since he moved to an earlier slot...I haven't caught most of his shows

[I am Mick]

From TMZ

As TMZ first reported, after the Olympics, Jay Leno will get his 11:30 PM time period back. We're told network execs have told Conan they will let him decide if he wants the midnight to 1:00 AM time slot. If he does, Leno's show will only be a half hour. If Conan walks, Leno will get a full hour, informed sources tell TMZ.

Our sources say Conan has not decided what he wants. We do know he's pissed, because he was given no advanced warning this was coming. Conan's people told NBC (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/08/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-tonight-show/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#) they are considering the offer. Translation: Mr. O'Brien -- I have Rupert Murdoch on line one, Stephen McPherson on line two, John Landgraf on line three, Jeff Wachtel on line four ...

We're told if Conan gets another offer, even though NBC could block the move, they will let him go and give Leno the full hour.

[mht]

lol where the fuck is Conan gonna go.... TBS with George Lopez!!!!

[StartAngry&Mad]

the only difference between Conan before and after really has been Andy sittin' in on interviews on stage, if everyone enjoyed him before, nothing's changed, but Leno's new format is weak and rarely funny, I liked him before, but some episodes have been downright painful

[rob_mylo]

shit ain't right.

[Loch_Doun]

This is really not a big deal? Chill out dudes.

[loudpunkguitar]

Hey, look at my feet. You like those moccasins? Look in your closet; there's a pair for you. Don't like them? Then neither do I!

that is my favorite episode of the simpsons ever...

[OnSale182]

Leno is horrible. Period.

[thatwasamoment]

You guys are so short-sighted. The fact is, Leno was a ratings champ at 11:35 and it comes as no surprise that NBC is feeling the affects of their bad business decision.

As much as I love Conan, he is not made for 11:35. I'd rather see Fallon at the earlier time slot than Conan. Conan needs that late time slot where he can get away with skits like the masturbating bear etc. also, he is made for New York. He looks so out of place in Hollywood.

[cirerelleum]

Leno's time is over and he can take Andy Ritcher with him.

[Gaugzilla]

You guys are so short-sighted. The fact is, Leno was a ratings champ at 11:35 and it comes as no surprise that NBC is feeling the affects of their bad business decision.

As much as I love Conan, he is not made for 11:35. I'd rather see Fallon at the earlier time slot than Conan. Conan needs that late time slot where he can get away with skits like the masturbating bear etc. also, he is made for New York. He looks so out of place in Hollywood.
Yea, but ratings or not, it's a complete double dick move by NBC - First they give him the Tonight Show spot only to say "Ehhhh...we still want Leno to lead ahead of you, so we're keeping him on board" then completely going against that and saying he's being replaced almost completely.

I will say he's more comfortable in a smaller setting where he's not trying to pander to the Leno crowd, but this is an honest to God slap in the face. I mean, the guy and his staff all move out to California for the most coveted gig in Late Night only to be told six months later that they're not worth it.

[poppa Q]

You guys are so short-sighted. The fact is, Leno was a ratings champ at 11:35 and it comes as no surprise that NBC is feeling the affects of their bad business decision.

As much as I love Conan, he is not made for 11:35. I'd rather see Fallon at the earlier time slot than Conan. Conan needs that late time slot where he can get away with skits like the masturbating bear etc. also, he is made for New York. He looks so out of place in Hollywood.

I agree with the second part, but not the first. Leno earned his ratings, thus becoming the 11:35 "champ." He was by no means a ratings champion when he first got the gig.

[irthesteve]

All I know is that NBC fucked themselves over by giving Leno a show so early, terrible idea from the start.

I will miss Conan if he goes

[whiterussian]

I'm here in Portugal, but is it right that Conan has been competing with Colbert?
Those are the two shows I enjoy. If Conan is getting bumped back I hope that changes.
And yeah,
Masturbating Bear and the like ftw.

[williek311]

Give Conan a show on HBO! I'd watch it.

[Chemical Love]

I hate to see Conan get shafted because of that unfunny fuck Leno and the morons that run NBC. But having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing Conan going back to his old time slot.

[perceptrons]

Leno should be fired because he's unfunny as hell on the Tonight show.
Conan should go back to New York and do some show there.

[wtfTouchMyBalls]

I honestly think that Fallon is anything but funny.

i cringe at all his jokes. i seriously feel bad for him most of the time.

[Oddpac87]

This is a fucking joke. Conan's ratings are only doing poorly because that horrible excuse for a comic, Leno, is his lead-in. If NBC went back to normal 10 o'clock shows, I guarantee Conan's ratings would be equal to or better than Leno was getting as host of The Tonight Show.

[Mirrorsandfevers]

This is a fucking joke. Conan's ratings are only doing poorly because that horrible excuse for a comic, Leno, is his lead-in. If NBC went back to normal 10 o'clock shows, I guarantee Conan's ratings would be equal to or better than Leno was getting as host of The Tonight Show.
And they were before Leno was his lead-in. So fucked.

[jwicklun]

i cringe at all his jokes. i seriously feel bad for him most of the time.
his monologues are terrible, but the rest of the show is decent. But I would show no remorse, if Conan would replace him.

[wtfTouchMyBalls]

his monologues are terrible, but the rest of the show is decent. But I would show no remorse, if Conan would replace him.

yeah and i mean i love the guy in films. i can't say i'm a fan of the skits, especially the licking one. move the show up to around noon time and it's a good game show.

[jwicklun]

yeah and i mean i love the guy in films. i can't say i'm a fan of the skits, especially the licking one. move the show up to around noon time and it's a good game show.
he could share a spot with Ellen Degenerus!

[wtfTouchMyBalls]

he could share a spot with Ellen Degenerus!

haha scary that i can picture that.

[fake empire]

Don't diss Ellen

[squee42]

Conan is actually doing the shittiest out of all of them. The dude has become old hat amongst the hip crowd. Overall and all around, I know the guy is god awful/shit but Fallons show as a whole, is not that bad and has shown some promise. Good house band, nice guests/conduction of interviews and usually the musical guests are the by far the best out of all these late night shit shows.

I always thought Fallon does a fantastic job with his musical guests, and I enjoy his interviews. I like Fallon but Conan is my favorite at the moment comedically.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I can't believe how serious this has gotten. Conan + Fallon make a great combination and it's beyond stupid that NBC is fucking with it.

[fake empire]

I guess this hasn't been stated yet in the thread, but I think Leno is moving to 11:30 for a half hour and everyone else is just getting pushed back.

[poppa Q]

maybe, I believe Conan has the option to accept or deny. If he doesn't, Leno gets the entire timeslot.

[stayillogical]

Just saw this tweet from Bill Simmons:

"If I were Conan O'Brien, I would have the Masturbating Bear as my only guest for an hour every night until NBC fired me."

[AP_Punk]

i miss masturbating bear

[Dr. Acula]

Masterbating Bear and Coked-up Werewolf ruled!

[prozacparade]

Great bits from last night

"NBC is going to throw me and Jay in a pit with sharpened sticks. The one who crawls out alive gets to leave NBC."

"Thank you, NBC, for announcing that Jay Leno will be moving back to 11:30. It'll be interesting to see how Jay and Conan do against Dave, and how we do against the Perfect Push-up infomercial."

[dignan]

and what the fuck would be the point of a half hour late night Leno show?

"hi uh folks, let me tell a couple lame jokes and show a few headlines and we'll go home"

stupid. NBC is such a garbage network.

[desiguerilla]

zach galifianakis's between the two ferns needs to be made into a late night talk show and should take over leno

[fake empire]

Hah, Galifianakis used to have his own show on VH1

[drudo182]

I love Zach but that wouldn't go over well.

[DeadCityScars]

It seems like these are just TMZ rumors. not going to happen.

[drudo182]

It's been everywhere though, not just TMZ.

[FondestMemory]

i'd love to see cbs put a deal in place with conan to replace letterman, who probably isn't gonna stick around much longer anyways.

it'd be amazing to see conan go up against leno directly. then nbc would see just how much they fucked up.

[irthesteve]

Conan had some good jokes related to all this last night

[dpatrickguy]

Conan had some good jokes related to all this last night

aziz ansari was pure gold last night as well

[Gaugzilla]

i'd love to see cbs put a deal in place with conan to replace letterman, who probably isn't gonna stick around much longer anyways.

it'd be amazing to see conan go up against leno directly. then nbc would see just how much they fucked up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/09/david-letterman-contract-_n_213012.html

He's with CBS until 2012. There's no way he's going to cut-and-run from that. Especially after CBS saw how much NBC screwed up after dumping their top performer.

[irthesteve]

aziz ansari was pure gold last night as well
very true

[Adrian Villagomez]

Hey, look at my feet. You like those moccasins? Look in your closet; there's a pair for you. Don't like them? Then neither do I!Hahaha.

shit ain't right.Yup.

i'd love to see cbs put a deal in place with conan to replace letterman, who probably isn't gonna stick around much longer anyways.

it'd be amazing to see conan go up against leno directly. then nbc would see just how much they fucked up.Indeed that would be amazing.

[Until The Bombs]

Fuck Leno. Should've gave Conan a quality lead-in.

[Rawrr]

Wait, so wouldn't Lenos show only be 30 minutes if Conan agreed to stay? Isn't that pointless?

[achassi]

Its time for NBC and Leno to move on already. Fuck sakes stop hogging the spotlight and let Conan shine, Jay

[Prestonxsmith]

Its officially happening.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/01/nbc_confirms_that_the_jay_leno.html

[dissident]

this is such an unbelievably shitty situation for conan. i hope he walks away and goes to Fox. then there won't be any reason to watch nbc at all for late night since leno and fallon are both fucking terrible.

[Prestonxsmith]

this is such an unbelievably shitty situation for conan. i hope he walks away and goes to Fox. then there won't be any reason to watch nbc at all for late night since leno and fallon are both fucking terrible.
He can't go to another network and do a show. Its either stay on NBC, or have no job at all.

[dissident]

He can't go to another network and do a show. Its either stay on NBC, or have no job at all.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-foc-abc-tonight-show/

We broke the story that Jay Leno will be reclaiming his old time slot. There has been speculation that NBC exercised a loophole, which would allow the network to give Conan a portion of his time slot back (12:05-12:35) without having to pay Conan a penalty -- but sources tell us that is not the case.

We're told NBC is in breach of it's agreement with Conan by moving the start time of his show. As a result, Conan now has three options.

Option 1: Quit the show and spend the next four years at the beach. If Conan does this, our sources say NBC would have to pay him the value of his contract. We're told it's a five-year deal, worth as much as $20 million a year. With four years to go, Conan could conceivably get $80 million. But given his pigmentation and, possibly, his ego, the beach is unlikely.

Option 2: Go to either FOX or ABC. This is where it gets complicated. If Conan were to strike a deal with either network to do a competing show, any salary Conan pulls in would offset the obligation owed by NBC. So, for example, if Conan made $20 million a year at NBC and ABC were to pay him $15 million a year, NBC would only owe Conan $5 mil a year for the four years remaining in his contract.

Option 3: Eat crow and take the 12:05-1:05 time slot. If Conan takes this option, our sources say it's likely NBC would negotiate a new contract with the same salary
(http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-foc-abc-tonight-show/#) Conan was getting before. Even though the salary isn't supported by the time period, it's cheaper than paying him off. NBC, we're told, prefers this option, because Conan would not be splintering Leno's rating by going to another network.

So, Conan, will it be door #1, 2 or 3?

Stay tuned ...




so no. you're wrong.

[Prestonxsmith]

We broke the story that Jay Leno will be reclaiming his old time slot. There has been speculation that NBC exercised a loophole, which would allow the network to give Conan a portion of his time slot back (12:05-12:35) without having to pay Conan a penalty -- but sources tell us that is not the case.

We're told NBC is in breach of it's agreement with Conan by moving the start time of his show. As a result, Conan now has three options.

Option 1: Quit the show and spend the next four years at the beach. If Conan does this, our sources say NBC would have to pay him the value of his contract. We're told it's a five-year deal, worth as much as $20 million a year. With four years to go, Conan could conceivably get $80 million. But given his skin (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-foc-abc-tonight-show/#) pigmentation and, possibly, his ego, the beach is unlikely.

Option 2: Go to either FOX or ABC. This is where it gets complicated. If Conan were to strike a deal with either network to do a competing show, any salary Conan pulls in would offset the obligation owed by NBC. So, for example, if Conan made $20 million a year at NBC and ABC were to pay him $15 million a year, NBC would only owe Conan $5 mil a year for the four years remaining in his contract.

Option 3: Eat crow and take the 12:05-1:05 time slot. If Conan takes this option, our sources say it's likely NBC would negotiate a new contract with the same salaryhttp://kona.kontera.com/javascript/lib/imgs/grey_loader.gif
(http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-foc-abc-tonight-show/#) Conan was getting before. Even though the salary isn't supported by the time period, it's cheaper than paying him off. NBC, we're told, prefers this option, because Conan would not be splintering Leno's rating by going to another network.

So, Conan, will it be door #1, 2 or 3?

Stay tuned ...




so no. you're wrong.

Listening to other people in the thread, so don't go getting pissy at me.

[irthesteve]

We broke the story that Jay Leno will be reclaiming his old time slot. There has been speculation that NBC exercised a loophole, which would allow the network to give Conan a portion of his time slot back (12:05-12:35) without having to pay Conan a penalty -- but sources tell us that is not the case.

We're told NBC is in breach of it's agreement with Conan by moving the start time of his show. As a result, Conan now has three options.

Option 1: Quit the show and spend the next four years at the beach. If Conan does this, our sources say NBC would have to pay him the value of his contract. We're told it's a five-year deal, worth as much as $20 million a year. With four years to go, Conan could conceivably get $80 million. But given his skin (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-foc-abc-tonight-show/#) pigmentation and, possibly, his ego, the beach is unlikely.

Option 2: Go to either FOX or ABC. This is where it gets complicated. If Conan were to strike a deal with either network to do a competing show, any salary Conan pulls in would offset the obligation owed by NBC. So, for example, if Conan made $20 million a year at NBC and ABC were to pay him $15 million a year, NBC would only owe Conan $5 mil a year for the four years remaining in his contract.

Option 3: Eat crow and take the 12:05-1:05 time slot. If Conan takes this option, our sources say it's likely NBC would negotiate a new contract with the same salaryhttp://kona.kontera.com/javascript/lib/imgs/grey_loader.gif
(http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/conan-obrien-jay-leno-nbc-foc-abc-tonight-show/#) Conan was getting before. Even though the salary isn't supported by the time period, it's cheaper than paying him off. NBC, we're told, prefers this option, because Conan would not be splintering Leno's rating by going to another network.

So, Conan, will it be door #1, 2 or 3?

Stay tuned ...




so no. you're wrong.
what's the source?

[dissident]

yeah the link is in the post now.

[irthesteve]

thanks

[irthesteve]

CNN says:

The goal is to keep all three hosts, but nothing was a done deal as of Sunday, he (Gaspin, chairman of NBC) said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/10/jay.leno.nbc/index.html

[BottleRocket]

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/01/11/seinfeld-defends-nbc-late-night/

So Jerry Seinfeld is kind of a tool

On the other hand, Patton Oswalt's thoughts hit the mark dead on

ib5lVD8GBr8&feature=player_embedded

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Couldn't agree with Patton Oswalt more.

[irthesteve]

Yea, he knew what he was talking about

[dissident]

Conan has talked to Fox, per wwtdd.



In 2004, NBC announced Conan O’Brien would take over for Jay Leno as host of ‘the Tonight Show’ in 2009, and on June 1st, after 16 years hosting ‘Late Night’, that’s what he did.
Three months after that NBC decided they were just kidding and moved Leno back in front of Conan to do the same show he had always done. That failed miserably, and so yesterday they announced they’re moving Leno back to 11:30. As you might imagine, Conan is just thrilled. The New York Post says… (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/just_call_him_conan_flyin_ThND8Mdv5 MI5Pv8udof1LJ)
(Conan) has “many options,” including a move to Fox, which for years has been looking to create its own late-night show.
In fact, he has already spoken with Fox, The Wall Street Journal’s Web site reported last night.
“This level of sh- - -iness was not expected,” one source said.
“He’s done a great job for NBC. He moved his entire staff, he moved his family to LA. And five months later, they repay him like this?”
What is Conan’s deal? NBC is putting everything back. That’s how life works. Just like how if you cut yourself you can run the blade backwards over the cut and it will seal up, or if you have a baby and it sucks you can shove it back in the uterus. Ta-da! What baby? I don’t see a baby!

[dpatrickguy]

Spot on patton oswalt spot on

[open mind]

10 o'clock is daily show and colbert time so it's not a shock that jay's show has poor ratings. conan deserves better then this...hope he doesn't end up on fox though.

[dissident]

you do know that jay's show comes on an hour earlier than the daily show/colbert right?

edit: i didn't see your location, who knows what kind of crackpot operation is being run out there

[SlappedActor]

Patton Oswalt is such a smart, funny guy.

[Summersitcom]

So upset with this.

[Prestonxsmith]

So after watching the monologue of The Tonight Show, Conan is making is pretty fucking obvious he is leaving.

[Charles777]

So pissed at this.

[Prestonxsmith]

So pissed at this.

Don't be. Conan seems to be happy with this.

[Charles777]

Don't be. Conan seems to be happy with this.

I guess, but I've always been fond of NBC and I've been watching Conan on this network since I was thirteen. It just seems like a stupid move on their part.

[Prestonxsmith]

I guess, but I've always been fond of NBC and I've been watching Conan on this network since I was thirteen. It just seems like a stupid move on their part.

Well we are not losing Conan (Well to NBC, but he is coming to another network), so be glad about that. But yes, the heads at NBC obviously can't run a fucking network.

[dissident]

just out of curiosity, what makes someone "fond" of NBC? they have some good shows, but everything else about them is notorious for being shit.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Here's (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/business/media/12conan.html) an interesting article with the president of Fox discussing the matter.

[SlappedActor]

Really disappointing to see this happening to somebody as friendly and genuinely funny as Conan. I hope he goes to another network and trashes NBC in the ratings.

[drudo182]

People of Earth:

In the last few days, I've been getting a lot of sympathy calls, and I want to start by making it clear that no one should waste a second feeling sorry for me. For 17 years, I've been getting paid to do what I love most and, in a world with real problems, I've been absurdly lucky. That said, I've been suddenly put in a very public predicament and my bosses are demanding an immediate decision.

Six years ago, I signed a contract with NBC to take over The Tonight Show in June of 2009. Like a lot of us, I grew up watching Johnny Carson every night and the chance to one day sit in that chair has meant everything to me. I worked long and hard to get that opportunity, passed up far more lucrative offers, and since 2004 I have spent literally hundreds of hours thinking of ways to extend the franchise long into the future. It was my mistaken belief that, like my predecessor, I would have the benefit of some time and, just as important, some degree of ratings support from the prime-time schedule. Building a lasting audience at 11:30 is impossible without both.

But sadly, we were never given that chance. After only seven months, with my Tonight Show in its infancy, NBC has decided to react to their terrible difficulties in prime-time by making a change in their long-established late night schedule.

Last Thursday, NBC executives told me they intended to move the Tonight Show to 12:05 to accommodate the Jay Leno Show at 11:35. For 60 years the Tonight Show has aired immediately following the late local news. I sincerely believe that delaying the Tonight Show into the next day to accommodate another comedy program will seriously damage what I consider to be the greatest franchise in the history of broadcasting. The Tonight Show at 12:05 simply isn't the Tonight Show. Also, if I accept this move I will be knocking the Late Night show, which I inherited from David Letterman and passed on to Jimmy Fallon, out of its long-held time slot. That would hurt the other NBC franchise that I love, and it would be unfair to Jimmy.

So it has come to this: I cannot express in words how much I enjoy hosting this program and what an enormous personal disappointment it is for me to consider losing it. My staff and I have worked unbelievably hard and we are very proud of our contribution to the legacy of The Tonight Show. But I cannot participate in what I honestly believe is its destruction. Some people will make the argument that with DVRs and the Internet a time slot doesn't matter. But with the Tonight Show, I believe nothing could matter more.

There has been speculation about my going to another network but, to set the record straight, I currently have no other offer and honestly have no idea what happens next. My hope is that NBC and I can resolve this quickly so that my staff, crew, and I can do a show we can be proud of, for a company that values our work.

Have a great day and, for the record, I am truly sorry about my hair; it's always been that way.

Yours,

Conan

[fake empire]

Conan's the man. FUCK LENO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FueledByRock]

I commend Conan for sticking to his guns, and I hope NBC gets the message to just drop Leno altogether.

[Charles777]

And that is why I love Coco.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

You're a good man, Conan O'Brien.

[DaveFeelsRight]

conan rules, fuck that old prick leno

[element4433]

I'll follow Conan to whatever network he's on.

[Markus1186]

Conan was in top form last night, throwing every jab he could at NBC, one of his best shows in a while.

[MyWorldEntire]

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/01/11/seinfeld-defends-nbc-late-night/

So Jerry Seinfeld is kind of a tool

On the other hand, Patton Oswalt's thoughts hit the mark dead on

ib5lVD8GBr8&feature=player_embedded

And he's going to be appearing on Leno's show? Can't wait to see a video clip of that...

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Haha:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-lame-ass-shows-nbc-will-use-to-replace-leno/

[drudo182]

uN6Q2YFFteQ&feature=player_embedded

This is pretty funny. Love Letterman.

[TerrancePryor]

Coco rules. I always thought he was better than Leno anyways.

[CircaKnives]

I'm hoping NBC hears our cries and drops Leno. Team Conan!!!

[TheOtherAndrew]

And he's going to be appearing on Leno's show? Can't wait to see a video clip of that...
If Patton actually confronts Leno about the whole thing, he will forever be my god and my master.

[fake empire]

He was joking about being on Leno I believe

[UnderMyDreams]

If NBC puts Leno back on The Tonight Show, and lets Conan leave that will be a terrible move. They need to think ahead here and drop Leno if they can't keep his show at 10.

[TheOtherAndrew]

This is probably just a rumor, but what the hell.

Sources close to the former ‘Tonight Show’ host tell me Leno is furious with the way NBC (http://www.wwtdd.com/2010/01/jay-leno-says-hell-quit-nbc-too-is-a-bad-liar/#)has treated him and Conan O’Brien and is considering walking away from the entire mess with his head held high. “Now that Conan has made it clear he is leaving the troubled network, Jay is considering doing the same. They have put Jay in a terrible position. It looks like he is the reason that Conan is now without a job. Jay is a great guy and it’s not fair that due to NBC’s stupidity he looks like the bad guy.”

http://www.popeater.com/2010/01/13/jay-leno-leaving-nbc/

[Talib Scottie]

That would be amazing.

[TheOtherAndrew]

I would respect Jay Leno for the first time...ever.

[bard]

hopefully is true.

[stayillogical]

I would respect Jay Leno for the first time...ever.

Dammit, I was about to change my avatar to this after I posted the picture!!

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs121.snc3/16832_1327817164035_1489110001_3089 2006_4102328_n.jpg

So awesome.

[dungeonwitch]

It seems like there isnt a lot of fans for both Leno and Conan, i dont know why. I'm a fan of both, when i was younger and in school i would watch Leno since it was on earlier, then i would catch Conan on Friday nights or other week days when i didnt have school the next day.

I think Leno is more "comedian" funny, but Conan is more "random/weird" funny, both are hilarious in their own ways. I wish all this never happened in the first place, Leno was good at 1130 followed by Conan at 1230, it just fit and did so for over a decade without anyone really complaining.

Sure, Conan targets a different demographic than Leno but thats fine. But one thing i notice from reading these threads is that most of the Leno haters are in their late teens or early 20's. I know im not much older but I dont have a problem with Leno, I've always thought his version of the Tonight Show was hilarious and Conan's Late Night was hilarious as well. Conan fit better in the later timeslot due to being able to be more edgy.

I dont know why Leno chose to have his Jay Leno Show in the format it is, but im sure if he had a 10pm show SIMILAR to the Tonight Show, no one would be complaining. When i say similar, i mean the format; sitting at the desk, two guests followed by musical performance or comedian, with some sort of buffer inbetween, like after the commercial break after the monologue.

[irthesteve]

I read that about Leno too, that would be insane if he followed through

[Mitch]

Wow, that would be awesome.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Dammit, I was about to change my avatar to this after I posted the picture!!

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs121.snc3/16832_1327817164035_1489110001_3089 2006_4102328_n.jpg

So awesome.
hahaha make this your avatar instead. I just found this picture and completely forgot about it.

http://www.avclub.com/assets/images/articles/article/24148/strike-conan-obrien_l_jpg_300x1000_q85.jpg

[dissident]

It seems like there isnt a lot of fans for both Leno and Conan, i dont know why. I'm a fan of both, when i was younger and in school i would watch Leno since it was on earlier, then i would catch Conan on Friday nights or other week days when i didnt have school the next day.

I think Leno is more "comedian" funny, but Conan is more "random/weird" funny, both are hilarious in their own ways. I wish all this never happened in the first place, Leno was good at 1130 followed by Conan at 1230, it just fit and did so for over a decade without anyone really complaining.

Sure, Conan targets a different demographic than Leno but thats fine. But one thing i notice from reading these threads is that most of the Leno haters are in their late teens or early 20's. I know im not much older but I dont have a problem with Leno, I've always thought his version of the Tonight Show was hilarious and Conan's Late Night was hilarious as well. Conan fit better in the later timeslot due to being able to be more edgy.

I dont know why Leno chose to have his Jay Leno Show in the format it is, but im sure if he had a 10pm show SIMILAR to the Tonight Show, no one would be complaining. When i say similar, i mean the format; sitting at the desk, two guests followed by musical performance or comedian, with some sort of buffer inbetween, like after the commercial break after the monologue.

leno is not funny. his jokes are simplistic, old, obvious, and grating. not to mention his delivery is as grating as it gets.

[Charles777]

hahaha make this your avatar instead. I just found this picture and completely forgot about it.

http://www.avclub.com/assets/images/articles/article/24148/strike-conan-obrien_l_jpg_300x1000_q85.jpg

Love that picture. It was the wallpaper on my phone for a while.

And if anybody cares...
http://twitter.com/jimmyfallon/status/7728713356

[Prestonxsmith]

What will Fallon do if they both leave? hahah

[Prestonxsmith]

I wonder how this will turn out:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/jimmy-kimmel-to-appear-on-the-jay-leno-show_article_27698

[fake empire]

It seems like there isnt a lot of fans for both Leno and Conan, i dont know why. I'm a fan of both, when i was younger and in school i would watch Leno since it was on earlier, then i would catch Conan on Friday nights or other week days when i didnt have school the next day.

I think Leno is more "comedian" funny, but Conan is more "random/weird" funny, both are hilarious in their own ways. I wish all this never happened in the first place, Leno was good at 1130 followed by Conan at 1230, it just fit and did so for over a decade without anyone really complaining.

Sure, Conan targets a different demographic than Leno but thats fine. But one thing i notice from reading these threads is that most of the Leno haters are in their late teens or early 20's. I know im not much older but I dont have a problem with Leno, I've always thought his version of the Tonight Show was hilarious and Conan's Late Night was hilarious as well. Conan fit better in the later timeslot due to being able to be more edgy.

I dont know why Leno chose to have his Jay Leno Show in the format it is, but im sure if he had a 10pm show SIMILAR to the Tonight Show, no one would be complaining. When i say similar, i mean the format; sitting at the desk, two guests followed by musical performance or comedian, with some sort of buffer inbetween, like after the commercial break after the monologue.
What does this even mean?

[dissident]

I wonder how this will turn out:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/jimmy-kimmel-to-appear-on-the-jay-leno-show_article_27698

it's just leno's shitty boring Ten at Ten bit. it will be very anti-climactic.

[Prestonxsmith]

it's just leno's shitty boring Ten at Ten bit. it will be very anti-climactic.
But did you hear what Kimmel did?

[dissident]

i was the one that posted the original links to it last night.

[Prestonxsmith]

i was the one that posted the original links to it last night.
I didn't know that. But knowing Kimmel, it will be anything other than anti-climatic.

[suburbn_thrills]

Leno's opening monologue pissed me off.

[Prestonxsmith]

Leno's opening monologue pissed me off.

What did he do?

[suburbn_thrills]

What did he do?

He talked about Conan's statement put out yesterday saying that NBC didn't give him a fair chance by only giving him 7 months, and Leno made a joke that if Conan thought that was bad he should see how it feels like to only be given 4 months (since his show is now cancelled)...totally ignoring the fact that he is being moved into an even better spot and is partially the cause of all this crap.

He also talked about Kimmel dressing up as him and tried to poke fun back at him, but failed miserably.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Looking forward to Jimmy Fallon's response tonight.

[dissident]

I didn't know that. But knowing Kimmel, it will be anything other than anti-climatic.

i highly doubt kimmel is going to slip in a dig to leno's face when all kimmel is doing is answering 10 scripted questions.

[dissident]

i hope i'm wrong though.

[dissident]

He talked about Conan's statement put out yesterday saying that NBC didn't give him a fair chance by only giving him 7 months, and Leno made a joke that if Conan thought that was bad he should see how it feels like to only be given 4 months (since his show is now cancelled)...totally ignoring the fact that he is being moved into an even better spot and is partially the cause of all this crap.

He also talked about Kimmel dressing up as him and tried to poke fun back at him, but failed miserably.

leno might not be moved anywhere. he may still quit.

[suburbn_thrills]

leno might not be moved anywhere. he may still quit.

One can only hope!

[TheOtherAndrew]

What will Fallon do if they both leave? hahah
Probably get the Tonight Show, at which point I will swallow a shotgun.

[fake empire]

Much rather see Fallon on it than Leno

[TheOtherAndrew]

True, but Jimmy Fallon being elevated to that level would not be fun.

[dissident]

Much rather see Fallon on it than Leno

at least leno can form complete sentences without tripping over his words or giggling to himself.

[Rawrr]

Have you watched Fallons show? Or are you just making dumb statements based off Fallon from SNL back from 2004? Fallon hardly ever trips over his words and his giggling, which is rare, never hinders anything. I think he's great, don't get the hate.

I mean not to mention, he's really into it and he's pretty much comparable to Conan during his first couple of years, i.e. awkward (but still good)

[itsmesean0630]

Fallon is fantastic on Late Night, but is not ready for a large role such as The Tonight Show. He had problems on SNL but he has really come into his own on Late Night.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I liked Fallon's comment's just now. Doesn't go as far as Conan's statement but was very appreciative and conciliatory.

Have you watched Fallons show? Or are you just making dumb statements based off Fallon from SNL back from 2004? Fallon hardly ever trips over his words and his giggling, which is rare, never hinders anything. I think he's great, don't get the hate.
Agreed. The hate is for him is overdone. He's put together a pretty fun show.

[dissident]

Have you watched Fallons show? Or are you just making dumb statements based off Fallon from SNL back from 2004? Fallon hardly ever trips over his words and his giggling, which is rare, never hinders anything. I think he's great, don't get the hate.

I mean not to mention, he's really into it and he's pretty much comparable to Conan during his first couple of years, i.e. awkward (but still good)

i don't make blind statements about something i haven't seen. i've watched his show. i think he's godawful at his job, has ZERO comedic timing, and generally comes off like a huge fucking cornball. he kisses the guests ass more than even Leno and that's saying something.

[jco3]

Probably get the Tonight Show, at which point I will swallow a shotgun.

there's no way in hell Fallon is ready for The Tonight Show. There is absolutely no way that's going to happen.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Fallon is fantastic on Late Night, but is not ready for a large role such as The Tonight Show.
I agree. Late Night is a good fit for him.

i don't make blind statements about something i haven't seen. i've watched his show. i think he's godawful at his job, has ZERO comedic timing, and generally comes off like a huge fucking cornball. he kisses the guests ass more than even Leno and that's saying something.
You sound like someone who hasn't seen his show more than once or twice. It's one thing if you just don't like his personality or just don't think he's funny, but he's fantastic timing wise. He seems like the type of host who really wants his guests to have fun.

[TheOtherAndrew]

I just realized how ironic it is for Seinfeld to be saying that Conan basically being shown the door by NBC due to ratings is appropriate. If anyone should understand how important it is for a network to stick with a show beyond its infancy, its Jerry Seinfeld. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld#Seasons_1_to_3)

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I just realized how ironic it is for Seinfeld to be saying that Conan basically being shown the door by NBC due to ratings is appropriate. If anyone should understand how important it is for a network to stick with a show beyond its infancy, its Jerry Seinfeld. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld#Seasons_1_to_3)
Why the hell would Jerry put any input into this anyway ? Is this something that happens when you get a gigantic amount of money overtime from NBC ?

[TheOtherAndrew]

Why the hell would Jerry put any input into this anyway ? Is this something that happens when you get a gigantic amount of money overtime from NBC ?
I have no idea. I always got the sense Jerry was a huge supporter of Conan's, so it surprised me.

[dissident]

I agree. Late Night is a good fit for him.


You sound like someone who hasn't seen his show more than once or twice. It's one thing if you just don't like his personality or just don't think he's funny, but he's fantastic timing wise. He seems like the type of host who really wants his guests to have fun.

the last episode i watched was with edward norton. it was terribly awkward. he seems like a nice guy so it's not really his personality, it's his over enthusiasm and need to kiss every guests ass to the point that it becomes uncomfortable. i don't want to hear him say "you're great, that was great, you're so awesome, that was amazing" in reference to every little thing they've done. he has some good bits and his monologue has gotten a little better, but that's about it.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

the last episode i watched was with edward norton. it was terribly awkward. he seems like a nice guy so it's not really his personality, it's his over enthusiasm and need to kiss every guests ass to the point that it becomes uncomfortable. i don't want to hear him say "you're great, that was great, you're so awesome, that was amazing" in reference to every little thing they've done. he has some good bits and his monologue has gotten a little better, but that's about it.
It isn't always like that. His interview skills have gotten a lot better and I think it helps when the guests are fun because it makes him better. But I see where you are coming from.

[dungeonwitch]

What does this even mean?
it means that Leno went into the Tonight Show having a stand-up background, thus knowing how to handle a crowd. While Conan came from a writing background, thus being more awkwardly funny and more physical with his humor.

im not hating on Conan, just stating the differences between them. Leno does have a bigger fanbase, well an older fan base and has been on the Tonight Show alot long than Conan on Late Night.

[drudo182]

Leno's humor is geared more towards an older audience so it's not surprising that the ratings have been way down. Not sure what NBC expected when they asked Conan to take over.

[dungeonwitch]

Leno's humor is geared more towards an older audience so it's not surprising that the ratings have been way down. Not sure what NBC expected when they asked Conan to take over.
Maybe so, but i've always been a fan on Leno, Letterman and Conan. Shit i really like Kilborn when he was on! I mean, he did his own intro!! haha

[drudo182]

Kilborn was great.

Honestly, I think Kimmell is up there as my favorite. I love that guy and the stuff he does for his show.

[dissident]

yeah kimmel is the shit. being best friends with adam carolla certainly doesn't hurt.

[dungeonwitch]

What if Leno did quit, along with Conan...there would be an empty time slot at 1135, would they move Fallon up and call it the Tonight Show? Kind of doubt that...but if this happened, who would fill the gap at 1135?

Imagine if Letterman was offered the gig as he should have been the rightfull heir to the Tonight Show in the first place!

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Letterman would never do that to himself. He hates Jeff Zucker and rightfully so. CBS has been good to him and he pulls in the ratings on his own.

[dissident]

none of that is going to happen.

NBC's new schedule:
http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/nbc-post-leno-seinfeld-thursdays-parenthood-tuesdays-12976

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Damn.

[dungeonwitch]

none of that is going to happen.

NBC's new schedule:
http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/nbc-post-leno-seinfeld-thursdays-parenthood-tuesdays-12976
could give a shit less about the 10-11pm slot...still curious as to whether or not Conan will actually quit next friday.

i know Letterman would never return to NBC, just a thought tho...do you think they would just scrap the Tonight Show all together? or have Fallon get in there and scrap the Late Night show.

[TheOtherAndrew]

They will never get rid of the Tonight Show. Its been an institution in television for more than a half-century.

[*crying stars*]

No way in hell would NBC consider getting rid of The Tonight Show.

[dungeonwitch]

They will never get rid of the Tonight Show. Its been an institution in television for more than a half-century.
Who would do it then?

[live.]

Who would do it then?

Jay Leno (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/)

This fucking sucks.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Fuck my life.

[dungeonwitch]

Jay Leno (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/)

This fucking sucks.
i meant if Leno quit like what has been reported.

[TheOtherAndrew]

i meant if Leno quit like what has been reported.
He's not going to. But they would give it to someone else.

[dungeonwitch]

Both of these following statements are facts, most people here probably wont like them but oh well.

-Leno was more popular, better rated, and funnier THAN HE IS NOW, when he was host of the Tonight Show.
-Conan, not having the best guests, was funnier with better skits when he was host of Late Night.

Its getting old already, Conan SHOULD start something back in New York and have Andy being as prominent as he once was.

[TheOtherAndrew]

This is just another sign of Patton Oswalt's vision of the apocalypse. Mediocrity wins again.

[CircaKnives]

Both of these following statements are facts, most people here probably wont like them but oh well.

-Leno was more popular, better rated, and funnier THAN HE IS NOW, when he was host of the Tonight Show.
-Conan, not having the best guests, was funnier with better skits when he was host of Late Night.

Its getting old already, Conan SHOULD start something back in New York and have Andy being as prominent as he once was.

Speaking of guests, who's dick did Jimmy Fallon suck to get his guests? Really, Fallon has it made. Except he's not funny! They have a mix of Letterman and Conan with skits, the musical guests are great, the regular guests are charming, and he has The Roots as a house band!!! If Fallon has a show and Conan doesn't, I will throw down.

[dungeonwitch]

Speaking of guests, who's dick did Jimmy Fallon suck to get his guests? Really, Fallon has it made. Except he's not funny! They have a mix of Letterman and Conan with skits, the musical guests are great, the regular guests are charming, and he has The Roots as a house band!!! If Fallon has a show and Conan doesn't, I will throw down.
Im sure Fallon go to know a lot of the guests that came to SNL...so he probably just kept in touch with most of them and there ya have it!

as for the Roots question, read this... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/19/the-roots-say-fallon-gig-_n_168425.html

[Talib Scottie]

Fallon has a lot of friends and it seems that everyone who meets him has loved him.

and I do think Fallon is actually a funny person, but he's not suited for the traditional late night talk show format. He's not good at the "set-up, joke" style. He interacts well with his guests though, which is why I DVR every time I see a comedian I like or a SNL alum is on the show. I also like the way he gets people in the audience involved.

[drudo182]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz235dd63f.jpg

[dungeonwitch]

why is that crossed out i dont get it?

[Thomas Balkcom]

why is that crossed out i dont get it?

it's underlining his Date of Death.

[Talib Scottie]

why is that crossed out i dont get it?

It's an underline saying he died today. Gotta love wikipedia.

[drudo182]

No, it's underlining the date he died only he's still alive. People keep changing him to deceased on Wiki.

[dungeonwitch]

hahaha gotcha

[drudo182]

Childish but funny.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Jay Leno (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/)

This fucking sucks.
I was really hoping that Jay would do the right thing. But fuck you Jay and NBC. If it turns out this way, I will never watch the Tonight Show again unless Conan is doing it.

[Markus1186]

I think Conan needs to get Norm McDonald on one of these nights before it's over to stir some shit up, that would be classic.. Him and Gervais were great last night.

[fake empire]

I was really hoping that Jay would do the right thing. But fuck you Jay and NBC. If it turns out this way, I will never watch the Tonight Show again unless Conan is doing it.
Yea what a fucking prick Leno is.

[MyWorldEntire]

NBC's going to regret this.

[dungeonwitch]

NBC's going to regret this.
More than likely Leno will get the ratings that he once did. Sure, he may not have the new found Tonight Show fans that Conan attracted, but Leno will PROBABLY get his old fan base back.

im not bashing on Conan, just rationalizing the whole thing.

[fake empire]

More than likely Leno will get the ratings that he once did. Sure, he may not have the new found Tonight Show fans that Conan attracted, but Leno will PROBABLY get his old fan base back.

im not bashing on Conan, just rationalizing the whole thing.
Maybe his ratings will be at least a little lower, due to all this bad publicity he's getting. But I guess his fans don't really give a shit.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

More than likely Leno will get the ratings that he once did. Sure, he may not have the new found Tonight Show fans that Conan attracted, but Leno will PROBABLY get his old fan base back.

im not bashing on Conan, just rationalizing the whole thing.
I wouldn't be so certain about that. Considering The Jay Leno Show hasn't done well, there's no guarantee that audience will return. They might have moved onto Letterman or Kimmel for good. Plus, he would be coming out of this with the worst image and not the normal blue-collar easy joke guy people above 50 seem to like. There is a giant issue of consistency in relation to hosting and viewership that hangs over the issue.

[dungeonwitch]

I wouldn't be so certain about that. Considering The Jay Leno Show hasn't done well, there's no guarantee that audience will return. They might have moved onto Letterman or Kimmel for good. Plus, he would be coming out of this with the worst image and not the normal blue-collar easy joke guy people above 50 seem to like. There is a giant issue of consistency in relation to hosting and viewership that hangs over the issue.
I believe its fair to say that Leno's fans dont like Conan, and are upset that Leno's show isnt the same format as it once was. So im certain, if Leno basically came back to the Tonight Show in the same format it once was, his fanbase would return almost as if nothing happened.

[fake empire]

I believe its fair to say that Leno's fans dont like Conan, and are upset that Leno's show isnt the same format as it once was. So im certain, if Leno basically came back to the Tonight Show in the same format it once was, his fanbase would return almost as if nothing happened.
What about the people who were indifferent towards him though? Now they may go out of their way to watch someone else.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I believe its fair to say that Leno's fans dont like Conan, and are upset that Leno's show isnt the same format as it once was. So im certain, if Leno basically came back to the Tonight Show in the same format it once was, his fanbase would return almost as if nothing happened.
I'm pretty sure it's not that clear cut and to a point they shared an audience though their strengths were in different demographics (Conan has the advantage in this area too). They did it for 17 years after all. Leno came on with there was no competition, he would be returning going against Letterman (who I'll watch til Conan comes back if this whole thing goes through), Kimmel and there he would have to worry about further dividing his own audience whenever Conan would come back. Letterman over time cut into the Tonight's Show audience, Kimmel takes a little bit away from a prospective audience. I can easily imagine Conan's hypothetical show would divide the audience of the Tonight Show further.

Plus, I don't want a Leno/Fallon line up. Keep it at Conan/Jimmy. Fallon would get really screwed by all of this too. Late Night is dependent on the Tonight Show as Conan mentioned in his statement.

[dissident]

not sure what all has been updated here, so some of this may be old news. but here you all go...

Zucker furious and threatening to freeze conan out of late night for up to 3 years
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/jeff-zucker-threatens-to-ice-conan-ill-keep-you-off-the-air-for-3-12-years/

"Patty came in and said, 'You can't do this.' They claim they can legally, but everyone knows it's ambiguous. The contract is not not clearly expressed," one of my sources related. "So everything now is at a standstill. There's been a proposal, and a counter-proposal. This will end up in front of a judge if someone [at NBCU] doesn't wise up."

I'd learned both NBCU chief Jeff Zucker as well as Gaspin were told about Conan's statement publicly promising to protect the integrity of The Tonight Show he'd inherited. It made Zucker furious. O'Brien's reps didn't want O'Brien to speak out. "They were not thrilled. They told him it would undercut his negotiating leverage," one source revealed to me. "But Conan wouldn't listen to them. He wanted to make it." And yet, because of the controversy, O'Brien's Tonight Show ratings have risen. While Leno hasn't received a similar bump, Conan's number went up to 1.9 in the overnights. Certainly, that has to give NBC pause, right? Apparently not. Sources tell me there's only "the slightest of chances" that Zucker will relent and keep O'Brien and The Tonight Show intact at 11:35 PM. As for Conan, if he's released, he wants to ensure that his executive producer Jeff Ross and all the other staff who moved out from New York to Los Angeles "are taken care of". As for himself, "he's not thinking about strategy. He's saying, "I just want enough money to feed my family.'"


http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/
Leno and NBC Strike 1 Hour 'Tonight' Deal

Posted Jan 14th 2010 3:43PM by TMZ Staff

Jay Leno has made a new deal with NBC, which gives him "The Tonight Show" from 11:35 - 12:35 ... sources tell TMZ.

As we first reported, under the contract Jay had been working under, he was guaranteed the 10 PM hour. By moving him to 11:35, NBC was in breach of his contract and needed to negotiate a new deal. That is now done, sources tell TMZ.

So Conan O'Brien is out, and Jay is restored.


annnnd latest from Nikkie Finke
NBC isn't confirming Internet reports of a done deal that Jay is in, Conan is out, at The Tonight Show at 11:35 PM. According to my insiders, Team Conan is denying the reports. But O'Brien's reps acknowledge: "It's a very fluid situation". Meanwhile, I've learned Team Conan didn't know NBC had just put out that press release boasting about Conan's heated-up ratings. "He's been killing in recent weeks. NBC can see that."

THURSDAY, 2 PM, 4TH UPDATE: Amid unconfirmed Internet reports that NBC's Leno-Conan switcharoo for hosting The Tonight Show at 11:35 PM is now a done deal for Jay (but not Conan), the network just sent out a news release noting that "NBC’s The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien has topped all broadcast and cable competition in the key late-night demographic of adults 18-49 for the week of January 4-8. At 12:35 a.m. ET. Last week also saw Conan deliver bigger audiences than CBS's Late Show with David Letterman and the ABC lineup of Nightline and Jimmy Kimmel Live in adults, men and women 18-34, men 18-49 and men 25-54. Conan has finished #1 or tied for #1 among broadcast networks in adult 18-49 rating for nine of the last 11 weeks. The median age of Conan’s audience last week was 45.6, nine years younger than Nightline's" 55.0 and 11 years younger than Letterman’s 57.3."

So, let me get this straight: NBC is crowing about the numbers of the guy they want off The Tonight Show and off NBC in favor of Jay Leno. Yes, that makes a lot of sense -- in Zuckerland.



Another update:
Quote:
I've just learned that, for the past 48 hours, Universal Studios President/COO Ron Meyer was secretly drafted during this NBC late night crisis to negotiate a settlement between the network and Team Conan after O'Brien and his reps were threatened by NBC Universal chief Jeff Zucker (see below). "Ron is a former agent, one of the biggest in Hollywood. He could get this done, so NBC used him," a source just told me. "No one would talk to each other, and they talked to Ron. He got everybody to talk to everybody." The deal as sketched puts Jay Leno back hosting The Tonight Show, and Conan O'Brien exiting with a lot of money. But there are still some terms to be worked out -- which is why there hasn't been any announcement yet. But I'm warned that "anything can happen" now that Meyer did his duty, and NBC is back in charge. I can tell you there are definitely people around NBC Universal boss Jeff Zucker who want to keep Conan in place at The Tonight Show. "But Zucker is digging in his heels because of the bad press. He's being stubborn," a Team Conan insider just told me. Stay tuned.

[dissident]

and i get the feeling that leno's fanbase are largely oblivious to 90% of the details of this situation and there's no risk of them turning on him.

[element4433]

Leno might have an initial drop in ratings, but in time I think it would probably get back to where they were before. Unless Conan gets his own show at 11:35.

[dissident]

possibly. he may need another "hugh grant" moment, or he may score a big ratings hit his first show back and it never falters.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Kimmel just decimated Jay just now.

[dretti]

Kimmel just decimated Jay just now.

holy shit was that not awesome

[suburbn_thrills]

Ahhh need a video of it up ASAP. Someone post it.

[Rawrr]

Wait, can someone put the recent updates into laymans terms? I'm dumbz

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Boom. Kimmel pummels Jay:

http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/late-night-drama-gets-an-early-start-with-just+released-leno+bashing-letterman-clip?skyline=true&s=i&autoplay=true

[dretti]

Wait, can someone put the recent updates into laymans terms? I'm dumbz

Just watch that Kimmel video he just posted. So awesome.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Jimmy Kimmel just went up a few notches on my respect belt.

[*crying stars*]

Kimmel just tears Leno a new one, holy snap.

I just don't understand why Leno would announce he was going to retire in 2004 and then decide he wanted to stay around.

[Until The Bombs]

Wow Kimmel. That was great.

[Rawrr]

So if Conan leaves, his last broadcast will be Feb. 12th or what? When is he officially done?

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

So apparently Jon Stewart has now joined the bashing with Ringo Starr from what I hear...

[MyWorldEntire]

So if Conan leaves, his last broadcast will be Feb. 12th or what? When is he officially done?

It's rumored that next week will be his last.

[suburbn_thrills]

Boom. Kimmel pummels Jay:

http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/late-night-drama-gets-an-early-start-with-just+released-leno+bashing-letterman-clip?skyline=true&s=i&autoplay=true

THANK YOU!
Honestly, I don't even understand how Leno, as a human being, can put up with all these attacks and so many people hating him and not feel any remorse that makes him want to stick up for Conan or doing anything else that is viewed as even somewhat respectful. Blows my mind.

[Rawrr]

Then he's done on NBC permanently? Like, no chance of ever coming back right?

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

If NBC doesn't want people to see me, just leave me on NBC.

[Foosimoo]

Glad to see Kimmel ripping Leno a new one.

[AP_Punk]

Boom. Kimmel pummels Jay:

http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/late-night-drama-gets-an-early-start-with-just+released-leno+bashing-letterman-clip?skyline=true&s=i&autoplay=true

so awesome

[Adrian Villagomez]

Fuck NBC for all of this.

[TheOtherAndrew]

The American audience loves its mediocrity.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

I was really hoping that Jay would do the right thing. But fuck you Jay and NBC. If it turns out this way, I will never watch the Tonight Show again unless Conan is doing it.

i love conan. but what do you want jay to do? he's getting trashed by everybody, and everybody has basically come out who is in the know and said he wasn't involved in the decision, and he even tried (at least i heard this. someone confirm it?) to say he wanted out of nbc bc he didn't like the way they were handling things. i guess i don't understand totally - is jay more involved in all of this then he is letting on? what's the deal? is he just playing the good-guy or what? anybody got any sources if they say he is? otherwise all the hate for leno is for nothing and should be all on nbc. and i am under the impression he was never the one who wanted to give up the tonight show in the first place. that was nbc's doing. he was never for it. is that wrong? sources?

[Prestonxsmith]

Boom. Kimmel pummels Jay:

http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/late-night-drama-gets-an-early-start-with-just+released-leno+bashing-letterman-clip?skyline=true&s=i&autoplay=true

lolz at the guy who said that this was going to be boring and scripted.

[Prestonxsmith]

i love conan. but what do you want jay to do? he's getting trashed by everybody, and everybody has basically come out who is in the know and said he wasn't involved in the decision, and he even tried (at least i heard this. someone confirm it?) to say he wanted out of nbc bc he didn't like the way they were handling things. i guess i don't understand totally - is jay more involved in all of this then he is letting on? what's the deal? is he just playing the good-guy or what? anybody got any sources if they say he is? otherwise all the hate for leno is for nothing and should be all on nbc. and i am under the impression he was never the one who wanted to give up the tonight show in the first place. that was nbc's doing. he was never for it. is that wrong? sources?

He was content with leaving 6 years before it happened, but then when it got close, he flipped his shit and told NBC if they didnt give him another show, he would go to a different network. He actually did a good bit of material of where he referenced him leaving NBC. NBC caved and gave him The Jay Leno Show. The Jay Leno Show is deemed a failure, and the rest is on going and no one knows what the fuck is going on. Personally, I know a couple of people who have met Jay (including my mom when she went to one of his stand-up shows before he was big and he made jokes about her for 30 minutes) and they have all said he was very nice. So personally, I believe the rumors of him getting pissed that he is taking all of the heat and that this is really all NBC's fault.

[fake empire]

Why did Jay even bother inviting Kimmel onto his show? He got fucking pummeled.

[NaughtyScotty]

you would think that if leno was at all innocent he would say something about it instead of just taking all this heat.

[live.]

Woo Jimmy!

[itsmesean0630]

Leno got fucked by Kimmel, Jesus Christ. He didn't stand a chance.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

God for Kimmel. Someone had to do it and I'm glad it was him. Leno fucking deserves and this is coming from someone who used to like him.

i love conan. but what do you want jay to do? he's getting trashed by everybody, and everybody has basically come out who is in the know and said he wasn't involved in the decision, and he even tried (at least i heard this. someone confirm it?) to say he wanted out of nbc bc he didn't like the way they were handling things. i guess i don't understand totally - is jay more involved in all of this then he is letting on? what's the deal? is he just playing the good-guy or what? anybody got any sources if they say he is? otherwise all the hate for leno is for nothing and should be all on nbc. and i am under the impression he was never the one who wanted to give up the tonight show in the first place. that was nbc's doing. he was never for it. is that wrong? sources?
I want him to back out of a obviously shady and wrong deal. This ruins both his and The Tonight Show's legacy. Not to mention how it messes up 'Late Night' as a show. I guarantee Leno comes out of this damage and damages the Tonight show. Conan is the only person with any respect for it.