Sarah Palin to join FoxNews as contributor

[HereItGoes182]

Discuss.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/11/palin-join-fox-news-contributor/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpo litics%20%28Text%20-%20Politics%29&utm_content=Google%20Feedfetcher

[From Article]

"I am thrilled to be joining the great talent and management team at Fox News. It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news," Palin said in a written release.

Palin will also host periodic episodes of Fox News Channel's "Real American Stories," a series exploring inspirational real-life tales of overcoming adversity throughout the American landscape that will debut in 2010.

"Governor Palin has captivated everyone on both sides of the political spectrum and we are excited to add her dynamic voice to the FOX News lineup," said Bill Shine, executive vice president of programming.

[xshady121]

You're late.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=60223981#post60223 981

[Machu505]

Good for her.

[xshady121]

Good for her.

You mean good for everyone.

Good for America.
Good for the Republican Party.

The only people it's not good for is the Democratic Party.

[saysmydoctor]

This is actually the best news the Democrats have had in a while.

[xshady121]

This is actually the best news the Democrats have had in a while.

I'm curious why you think this is good for the dems.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm curious why you think this is good for the dems.
Seriously, the tea party network that regularly plays host to GOP official after another embracing one of the biggest idiots in American politics? Please continue to disenfranchise the American independent.

[xshady121]

Seriously, the tea party network that regularly plays host to GOP official after another embracing one of the biggest idiots in American politics? Please continue to disenfranchise the American independent.

But this is good for the democratic party?

If anything, I think it is terrible for the dems. This only solidifies the fact that she won't be the nominee. Had she not taken this job, she had a better chance at being the repubs nominee in 2012.

And we both know, a ticket with Palin as the top nominee would be cake for the Democrats to handle.

[saysmydoctor]

But this is good for the democratic party?

If anything, I think it is terrible for the dems. This only solidifies the fact that she won't be the nominee. Had she not taken this job, she had a better chance at being the repubs nominee in 2012.

And we both know, a ticket with Palin as the top nominee would be cake for the Democrats to handle.
I see no difference between Palin or Jindal or Romney or even Pawlenty, so that's probably why. The only nominee I'm 'afraid' of from the GOP in 2012 is Barbour, there is no way the GOP will embrace Jindal, Romney is a fucking idiot, and who is Pawlenty? C'mon.

She would never have won nomination, let's be serious.

[GeeBee]

This is actually the best news the Democrats have had in a while.

I'm curious why you think this is good for the dems.

I'm with Shady. Had she remained in politics, she would have been far easier to handle. Why do you think Beck and Limbaugh never made the jump to politics? They'd be completely cooked. However, from the sidelines, they can have some impact (even if horrendous).

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Discuss.

Palin will also host periodic episodes of Fox News Channel's "Real American Stories," a series exploring inspirational real-life tales of overcoming adversity throughout the American landscape that will debut in 2010.
*except in NY and all major city and urban areas

Seriously, the tea party network that regularly plays host to GOP official after another embracing one of the biggest idiots in American politics? Please continue to disenfranchise the American independent.
Great point. I'd love to see her for once be put in a position where she actually has to defend her viewpoints, but I imagine FOX will coddle her cowardice.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm with Shady. Had she remained in politics, she would have been far easier to handle. Why do you think Beck and Limbaugh never made the jump to politics? They'd be completely cooked. However, from the sidelines, they can have some impact (even if horrendous).
I guess.
Great point. I'd love to see her for once be put in a position where she actually has to defend her viewpoints, but I imagine FOX will coddle her cowardice.
I'm curious what the fuck she is going to contribute. "Well, I said thanks but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere." "You can see Russia from coast in Alaska." "The Bush Doctrine is...uhmmm?"

[GeeBee]

I guess.

I'm curious what the fuck she is going to contribute. "Well, I said thanks but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere." "You can see Russia from coast in Alaska." "The Bush Doctrine is...uhmmm?"

It doesn't matter what she's going to contribute. This move is just another in "God's will" that she's so good at following.

[saysmydoctor]

IT MATTERS.
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[peder458]

I guess.

I'm curious what the fuck she is going to contribute. "Well, I said thanks but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere." "You can see Russia from coast in Alaska." "The Bush Doctrine is...uhmmm?"

This is kind of what I was wondering: what the fuck is she going to say, ever, about anything, that makes any sense, that people will listen to? Really??

[jwicklun]

Discuss.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/11/palin-join-fox-news-contributor/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpo litics%20%28Text%20-%20Politics%29&utm_content=Google%20Feedfetcher

[From Article]

"I am thrilled to be joining the great talent and management team at Fox News. It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news," Palin said in a written release.

Palin will also host periodic episodes of Fox News Channel's "Real American Stories," a series exploring inspirational real-life tales of overcoming adversity throughout the American landscape that will debut in 2010.

"Governor Palin has captivated everyone on both sides of the political spectrum and we are excited to add her dynamic voice to the FOX News lineup," said Bill Shine, executive vice president of programming.
Is Fox News still standing by the fair and balanced platform? The only reason she will be on is for nothing more then to increase ratings.

[Andy Young]

This is kind of what I was wondering: what the fuck is she going to say, ever, about anything, that makes any sense, that people will listen to? Really??

Thats what I would like to know. The people on Fox News are all paranoid and have such a warped view on politics that they have no credability. Adding her made that channel drastically less intelligent as a whole, quite the impressive feat.

[bladerdude360]

:rolleyes:

[Theseventhson]

It's where she belongs.

[samsara]

I want to watch just so I can criticize her use of the English language.

[Manicapathy]

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[open mind]

she'll still run for president. being on tv didn't stop huckabee from running last time.

[Greek]

I lol'd at this

"It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news."

[bNz719]

Good, now I don't have to worry about her running for any elected office again.

[squee42]

I lol'd at this

"It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news."

I was just going to say the exact same thing.

[xshady121]

she'll still run for president. being on tv didn't stop huckabee from running last time.
Huckabee wasnt on tv until after the election.

[open mind]

Huckabee wasnt on tv until after the election.

you positive about that? he might not have had his own show but i'm almost positive he was a regular paid contributer on a few shows.

[xshady121]

you positive about that? he might not have had his own show but i'm almost positive he was a regular paid contributer on a few shows.

He was hired as a contributor in June of 2008.

Huckabee (the show) didn't start until late september

[open mind]

He was hired as a contributor in June of 2008.

Huckabee (the show) didn't start until late september

ahh, well my mistake then....i'm still betting on palin running (and losing in the primaries) in 2012.

[caveBEAR]

This is kind of what I was wondering: what the fuck is she going to say, ever, about anything, that makes any sense, that people will listen to? Really??

Have you ever watched FoxNEWS?

[loveisdead]

This doesn't need its own thread. General politics thread please.

[xshady121]

This doesn't need its own thread. General politics thread please.

That's what I said in the second post of this thread.

I also like that the newbie that posted this then left and didn't respond at all in the thread.

Nothing like making a redundant thread and then not coming back into it.

[cory-182]

That's what I said in the second post of this thread.

I also like that the newbie that posted this then left and didn't respond at all in the thread.

Nothing like making a redundant thread and then not coming back into it.

Well then stop posting in it. Just like every other Democrat I know. Follow the crowd and then blame someone else when it doesn't work out.

[MartyrsCasualty]

Well then stop posting in it. Just like every other Democrat I know. Follow the crowd and then blame someone else when it doesn't work out.

You are a 23 year old man-boy who likes Escape the Fate and Attack Attack! Thus, your opinion is null and void.

[cory-182]

You are a 23 year old man-boy who likes Escape the Fate and Attack Attack! Thus, your opinion is null and void.

You're 19...... I won't go that route.

[MartyrsCasualty]

You're 19...... I won't go that route.
Im 16... I lied about my age for some reason.

[caveBEAR]

You are a 23 year old man-boy who likes Escape the Fate and Attack Attack! Thus, your opinion is null and void.

Ew.

[xshady121]

Well then stop posting in it. Just like every other Democrat I know. Follow the crowd and then blame someone else when it doesn't work out.

Hah.

Yes, yes. I'm APs resident democratic poster.

You couldn't be further from the mark.

[saysmydoctor]

Well then stop posting in it. Just like every other Democrat I know. Follow the crowd and then blame someone else when it doesn't work out.
What is an example of a sweeping generalization?

[Un'Aria Ancora]

Stepping it up!
Her childish opinions and GOP rhetoric can now be spread to those without Facebook! God really does bless this wonderful country.
Jon Stewart will be partying tonight.

[Machu505]

Hah.

Yes, yes. I'm APs resident democratic poster.

You couldn't be further from the mark.
Stealin' my title.

Damn you, Shady.

[caveBEAR]

Stealin' my title.

Damn you, Shady.

'Stealin'' Really? I thought all you Republicans were educated!

[saysmydoctor]

Yo, more condescending remarks about Palin, they never get old.

[Machu505]

'Stealin'' Really? I thought all you Republicans were educated!
I pronounce "isn't" like "idn't".

I WAS BORN THIS WAY OKAY.

[Roboman]

Well then stop posting in it. Just like every other Democrat I know. Follow the crowd and then blame someone else when it doesn't work out.

Interesting. Relating political standing to forum posting habits, now that's something different.

[caveBEAR]

I pronounce "isn't" like "idn't".

I WAS BORN THIS WAY OKAY.

Born this way? You gays aren't born this way. You learn interior designing, so you obviously learn gay!

[zac_montucky]

Hah.

Yes, yes. I'm APs resident democratic poster.

You couldn't be further from the mark.

It even says libertarian right in your user title.
If you're AP's resident dem, then he must be AP's resident genius.

[xshady121]

Stealin' my title.

Damn you, Shady.

Yeah. We all now my affinity for Keith Olberman and Nancy Pelosi.

Lets not forget the giant Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid posters in my room.

[Machu505]

Born this way? You gays aren't born this way. You learn interior designing, so you obviously learn gay!
Connecting Appalachian dialects to homosexuality? I like it!

[caveBEAR]

Hello, Zac Montucky, meet sarcasm.

I see you two haven't met before.

He was on your side. He was saying you have 'libertarian' right in your subnic, so if you're the resident Democrat then he is the resident genius...

Hello, shady, become re-acquainted with sarcasm.

;-)

[caveBEAR]

Connecting Appalachian dialects to homosexuality? I like it!

Can't spell Appalachia without 'squeeeeeeeeeeeeee'.

[xshady121]

He was on your side. He was saying you have 'libertarian' right in your subnic, so if you're the resident Democrat then he is the resident genius...

Hello, shady, become re-acquainted with sarcasm.

;-)

Hah. my mistake.

I have an excuse! it's been a long night here, my friends talked me into celebrating my birthday today.

[zac_montucky]

He was on your side. He was saying you have 'libertarian' right in your subnic, so if you're the resident Democrat then he is the resident genius...

Hello, shady, become re-acquainted with sarcasm.

;-)

See, he knows what's up.

[caveBEAR]

Hah. my mistake.

I have an excuse! it's been a long night here, my friends talked me into celebrating my birthday today.

Happy Birthday! :penis:

[zac_montucky]

Hah. my mistake.

I have an excuse! it's been a long night here, my friends talked me into celebrating my birthday today.

Well if that's the case, I suppose you're forgiven.

edit: Also, happy anniversary of your vagina dive.

[Machu505]

I decree this Shady Day.

[Zkrp]

I can't stand Sarah Palin she is a complete moron Im going to agree and say that it would be better if she was the Republican nominee it would be easy for the Democrats to win an election with her anywhere near the campaign

[IntoTheSun]

Hah. my mistake.

I have an excuse! it's been a long night here, my friends talked me into celebrating my birthday today.

Well... is it your birthday today?

[derekmoyer4]

i am not going to rip her or the conservative right, but i must say that i cannot stand sarah palin, nor the fascination and infatuations that people have for her. at times i find myself doing the following: :hitself:

[IntoTheSun]

i am not going to rip her or the conservative right, but i must say that i cannot stand sarah palin, nor the fascination and infatuations that people have for her. at times i find myself doing the following: :hitself:
I thought that was the very reason why people are "fascinated and infatuated" by her :shrug:

[derekmoyer4]

I thought that was the very reason why people are "fascinated and infatuated" by her :shrug:
my roommate, although not a fan of her politically, talked about her a little too much for my liking. he even hung a political banner of her and mccain in our living room because he got it signed by her. he talked too much about her being pretty. i quite often wanted to smack him upside the head.

[xshady121]

i am not going to rip her or the conservative right, but i must say that i cannot stand sarah palin, nor the fascination and infatuations that people have for her. at times i find myself doing the following: :hitself:

She is poison for the republican party.

You would think the top brass in the party would know this, but I'm not so certain. Michael Steele, afterall, didn't know injun was not a kosher word in the 21st century.

Palin is a great fundraiser and great at getting the core riled up. I get it. But to be the face of your party? That's ridiculous. And dangerous.

I think they proved that Karl Rove politics may be good in the short term, but is no way to run a party long term.

[xshady121]

Well if that's the case, I suppose you're forgiven.

edit: Also, happy anniversary of your vagina dive.

I dont know what I took your post to mean.

Libertarian as a nother word for democrat? Thus he was correct AND a genius?

I don't know, I'll just take the mulligan.

[xshady121]

I decree this Shady Day.

Well... is it your birthday today?

Yes yes. 21. It's also a Monday and the first day of classes. Not exactly the ideal day to celebrate it.

[derekmoyer4]

She is poison for the republican party.

You would think the top brass in the party would know this, but I'm not so certain. Michael Steele, afterall, didn't know injun was not a kosher word in the 21st century.

Palin is a great fundraiser and great at getting the core riled up. I get it. But to be the face of your party? That's ridiculous. And dangerous.

I think they proved that Karl Rove politics may be good in the short term, but is no way to run a party long term.
exactly. i live in an area that is overwhelming conservative and they honestly think she is the future of right wing politics. sad.

[xshady121]

my roommate, although not a fan of her politically, talked about her a little too much for my liking. he even hung a political banner of her and mccain in our living room because he got it signed by her. he talked too much about her being pretty. i quite often wanted to smack him upside the head.

exactly. i live in an area that is overwhelming conservative and they honestly think she is the future of right wing politics. sad.

I went to CPAC (The Conservative Political Action Conference) last year and I really saw two things there.

1) While Palin supporters obviously are the most organized, and the loudest voice of the conservative base, they are NOT the majority. A lot of todays youth (again, within the base) support candidates like Romney, Jindal, and Paul. While Romney (to an extent) and Jindal are not necessarily all that moderate with their stances, they do represent a fresh face and "change" for the republican party. At the very least, the GOP should take this support as a sign to NOT stick with the status quo, and instead shake things up.

2) Figures like Ron Paul and other "moderates" (in the republican sense) are very, very well liked by the youth core. Again, this is obviously not a representation of the conservative base as a whole, but it should serve as a good sign as in the general direction to lead the movement. If the youth is in favor of going left, don't drag everyone into a hard right.

But Palin supporters are committed and vocal, which only reiterates the point that she is a great fundraiser and great for the party in that regard. However, as a candidate, she's completely without a paddle.

[IntoTheSun]

my roommate, although not a fan of her politically, talked about her a little too much for my liking. he even hung a political banner of her and mccain in our living room because he got it signed by her. he talked too much about her being pretty. i quite often wanted to smack him upside the head.

Haha, I've never encountered anyone like this in California...with obvious reasons.

Yes yes. 21. It's also a Monday and the first day of classes. Not exactly the ideal day to celebrate it.

Well, Mr. Negative, I still hope you have a snazzy birthday today!

[HereItGoes182]

That's what I said in the second post of this thread.

I also like that the newbie that posted this then left and didn't respond at all in the thread.

Nothing like making a redundant thread and then not coming back into it.

My mistake for not checking the general thread first.

Quite simply, I felt this deserved its own thread simply because it highlights an important aspect of broadcast media that many people (like it or not) still turn to on a regular basis. Due to the fact that White House and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs have made multiple statements denying FoxNews as a 'reputable news source', I found it incredibly interesting that Ms. Palin would take a position from News corp (company that operates FoxNews) following her resignation from the office of Alaskan governor.

As a journalism student, the mere notion of "fair and balanced" programming as narrated by a former vice-presidencial candidate from an organization that historically has focused on promoting and galavanting the conservative perspective seems galaxies away from anything that could ever be considered "objective" reporting. This woman is not a journalist. I dare say that I have not found one reporter from FoxNews who can be cited as a credible journalist. More often than not, FoxNews contributors and talent give personal, very passionate commentary that is single-sided and consistently notes inaccurate data. They make opinion into fact.

How then, can FoxNews pride itself upon being "fair and balanced" when all of its salaried talent, commentators, syndicates (ex. Beck and O'Reilly), are far from the sort and, in my opinion, degrade REAL journalistic objectivity. If anything, this move further promotes that image of continued bias reports.

This is my analysis of FoxNews. Nothing more than that. I should hope more Americans would turn to more reputable news sources (AP and NPR do a pretty good job presenting and constructively presenting objective viewpoints).

Is this is a good move for her political career?
Will this program present biased, incorrect information to a mass amount of viewers?
Who do (and should) you trust for reliable information?

[xshady121]

My mistake for not checking the general thread first.

Quite simply, I felt this deserved its own thread simply because it highlights an important aspect of broadcast media that many people (like it or not) still turn to on a regular basis. Due to the fact that White House and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs have made multiple statements denying FoxNews as a 'reputable news source', I found it incredibly interesting that Ms. Palin would take a position from News corp (company that operates FoxNews) following her resignation from the office of Alaskan governor.

As a journalism student, the mere notion of "fair and balanced" programming as narrated by a former vice-presidencial candidate from an organization that is historically has focused on promoting and galavanting the conservative perspective seems galaxies away from anything that could ever be considered "objective". This woman is not a journalist. I dare say that I have not found one reporter from FoxNews who can be cited as a credible journalist. More often than not, FoxNews contributors and talent give personal, very passionate commentary that is single-sided and consistently notes inaccurate data. They make opinion into fact.

How then, can FoxNews pride itself upon being "fair and balanced" when all of its salaried talent, commentators, syndicates (ex. Beck and O'Reilly), are far from the sort and, in my opinion, degrade REAL journalistic objectivity. If anything, this move further promotes that image of continued bias reports.

This is my analysis of FoxNews. Nothing more than that. I should hope more Americans would turn to more reputable news sources (AP and NPR do a pretty good job presenting and constructively presenting objective viewpoints).

Is this is a good move for her political career?
Will this program present biased, incorrect information to a mass amount of viewers?
Who do (and should) you trust for reliable information?

In response to the bolded part, she never claimed to be one, and she isn't signing up to be one.
I hope you're not confusing commentators and news reports. In that sense, Fox News is hardly different than MSNBC.

To answer your 3 questions.
1) no.
2) Shes not getting a program. She is signing on to be a contributer.
3) You shouldn't be trusting commentators for news. That includes all of Fox's and all of MSNBC's. It's funny how quickly (and I'm certainly not accusing you of this) people make the mistake of writing off one sides anchors and then blindly following their own.

[HereItGoes182]

In response to the bolded part, she never claimed to be one, and she isn't signing up to be one.
I hope you're not confusing commentators and news reports. In that sense, Fox News is hardly different than MSNBC.

To answer your 3 questions.
1) no.
2) Shes not getting a program. She is signing on to be a contributer.
3) You shouldn't be trusting commentators for news. That includes all of Fox's and all of MSNBC's. It's funny how quickly (and I'm certainly not accusing you of this) people make the mistake of writing off one sides anchors and then blindly following their own.

2)
[Washington Post]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/11/AR2010011103736.html?hpid=topnews

The former Alaska governor will appear as a pundit on various Fox shows, beginning Tuesday on "The O'Reilly Factor," and host an occasional series that was already in the works, "Real American Stories," which will examine inspirational tales involving ordinary citizens who have suffered setbacks.

3)
Commentators should only be used to give quotes to be used later in credible reports. FoxNews and MSNBC have to fill airtime. The fact that both organizations hire people to give commentaries on a regular basis give false impression to their audience and viewership that the commentator's opinion and viewpoints are fact. I give them credit for making money off the model though. . .there's no arguing its been successful.

[Kurt Retenauer]

I never thought Sarah Palin would be so well received 'round these parts.

[Kurt Retenauer]

I went to CPAC (The Conservative Political Action Conference) last year and I really saw two things there.

1) While Palin supporters obviously are the most organized, and the loudest voice of the conservative base, they are NOT the majority. A lot of todays youth (again, within the base) support candidates like Romney, Jindal, and Paul. While Romney (to an extent) and Jindal are not necessarily all that moderate with their stances, they do represent a fresh face and "change" for the republican party. At the very least, the GOP should take this support as a sign to NOT stick with the status quo, and instead shake things up.

2) Figures like Ron Paul and other "moderates" (in the republican sense) are very, very well liked by the youth core. Again, this is obviously not a representation of the conservative base as a whole, but it should serve as a good sign as in the general direction to lead the movement. If the youth is in favor of going left, don't drag everyone into a hard right.

But Palin supporters are committed and vocal, which only reiterates the point that she is a great fundraiser and great for the party in that regard. However, as a candidate, she's completely without a paddle.

:clap:

But, it's a shame that most young people that support Paul are for his stances on the legalization of marijuana.

[xshady121]

2)
[Washington Post]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/11/AR2010011103736.html?hpid=topnews

The former Alaska governor will appear as a pundit on various Fox shows, beginning Tuesday on "The O'Reilly Factor," and host an occasional series that was already in the works, "Real American Stories," which will examine inspirational tales involving ordinary citizens who have suffered setbacks.

3)
Commentators should only be used to give quotes to be used later in credible reports. FoxNews and MSNBC have to fill airtime. The fact that both organizations hire people to give commentaries on a regular basis give false impression to their audience and viewership that the commentator's opinion and viewpoints are fact. I give them credit for making money off the model though. . .there's no arguing its been successful.

I agree with you 150%.

I cant tell you how many people I come across that can't identify that Olbermann et all are commentators.

[Kurt Retenauer]

My mistake for not checking the general thread first.

Quite simply, I felt this deserved its own thread simply because it highlights an important aspect of broadcast media that many people (like it or not) still turn to on a regular basis. Due to the fact that White House and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs have made multiple statements denying FoxNews as a 'reputable news source', I found it incredibly interesting that Ms. Palin would take a position from News corp (company that operates FoxNews) following her resignation from the office of Alaskan governor.

As a journalism student, the mere notion of "fair and balanced" programming as narrated by a former vice-presidencial candidate from an organization that historically has focused on promoting and galavanting the conservative perspective seems galaxies away from anything that could ever be considered "objective" reporting. This woman is not a journalist. I dare say that I have not found one reporter from FoxNews who can be cited as a credible journalist. More often than not, FoxNews contributors and talent give personal, very passionate commentary that is single-sided and consistently notes inaccurate data. They make opinion into fact.

How then, can FoxNews pride itself upon being "fair and balanced" when all of its salaried talent, commentators, syndicates (ex. Beck and O'Reilly), are far from the sort and, in my opinion, degrade REAL journalistic objectivity. If anything, this move further promotes that image of continued bias reports.

This is my analysis of FoxNews. Nothing more than that. I should hope more Americans would turn to more reputable news sources (AP and NPR do a pretty good job presenting and constructively presenting objective viewpoints).

Is this is a good move for her political career?
Will this program present biased, incorrect information to a mass amount of viewers?
Who do (and should) you trust for reliable information?

Every news station has a bias. There is no medium that is presented objectively. News stations can only make the claim on being "fair and balanced" based upon it's audience that it caters to, i.e. Fox News is very "fair and balanced" to conservatives, and CNN is "fair and balanced" to liberals, generally speaking.

[xshady121]

Every news station has a bias. There is no medium that is presented objectively. News stations can only make the claim on being "fair and balanced" based upon it's audience that it caters to, i.e. Fox News is very "fair and balanced" to conservatives, and CNN is "fair and balanced" to liberals, generally speaking.

CNN Is fair and balanced to all; especially after Dobbs flew the coop.

:clap:

But, it's a shame that most young people that support Paul are for his stances on the legalization of marijuana.

I would say that most young conservatives favor his public policy. His stances on marijuana are a bonus.

[Kurt Retenauer]

CNN Is fair and balanced to all; especially after Dobbs flew the coop.



I would say that most young conservatives favor his public policy. His stances on marijuana are a bonus.

There is no news station that can successfully deliver news objectively, in my opinion. Therefore, if I had to associate CNN with a political group, I'd associate them with the Democrats.

Maybe people in Massachusetts are smarter, but when I tell people I supported Ron Paul in 2012, they assumed I was a pothead. Also, every Paul supporter I came across said their driving force was marijuana reform.

[HereItGoes182]

Every news station has a bias. There is no medium that is presented objectively. News stations can only make the claim on being "fair and balanced" based upon it's audience that it caters to, i.e. Fox News is very "fair and balanced" to conservatives, and CNN is "fair and balanced" to liberals, generally speaking.

Agreed on the objectivity argument and that it would be hysterical if they offered "fair and balanced" [to conservatives/liberals] as postscript during opening credit sequences. :-)

[caveBEAR]

There is no news station that can successfully deliver news objectively, in my opinion. Therefore, if I had to associate CNN with a political group, I'd associate them with the Democrats.

Maybe people in Massachusetts are smarter, but when I tell people I supported Ron Paul in 2012, they assumed I was a pothead. Also, every Paul supporter I came across said their driving force was marijuana reform.

I think CNN is just way, way, way, way (especially post-Dobbs) less likely to be laughably biased towards opposing viewpoints (than FoxNEWS). They definitely have liberal leanings though.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Agreed on the objectivity argument and that it would be hysterical if they offered "fair and balanced" [to conservatives/liberals] as postscript during opening credit sequences. :-)

"Fair and balanced (as long as you agree with us)"

[Kurt Retenauer]

I think CNN is just way, way, way, way (especially post-Dobbs) less likely to be laughably biased towards opposing viewpoints (than FoxNEWS). They definitely have liberal leanings though.

For sure, won't disagree there. It seems as though Fox News is overly conservative in an effort to compensate for all of the otherwise liberal-leaning news stations. Not that that makes it right, just saying that Fox News' bias is equivalent to probably three CNN biases.

[zeketheplumber]

There's no way she could make a bigger a** of herself than she already has.

[caveBEAR]

For sure, won't disagree there. It seems as though Fox News is overly conservative in an effort to compensate for all of the otherwise liberal-leaning news stations. Not that that makes it right, just saying that Fox News' bias is equivalent to probably three CNN biases.

Yeah. It's a significant conservative bias in response to a liberal bias that isn't really that significant...

[caveBEAR]

There's no way she could make a bigger a** of herself than she already has.

Did you just censor yourself? Really?

[zeketheplumber]

Did you just censor yourself? Really?

???

[caveBEAR]

???

You put a**. Why not put ass or butt? If you mean ass, say ass, we're all adults here, no one's going to cry.

EDIT: You could have the best name on these boards. Long live Salute...

[saysmydoctor]

I think CNN is just way, way, way, way (especially post-Dobbs) less likely to be laughably biased towards opposing viewpoints (than FoxNEWS). They definitely have liberal leanings though.
What is trending on Twitter? That's where CNN leans.

[zeketheplumber]

You put a**. Why not put ass or butt? If you mean ass, say ass, we're all adults here, no one's going to cry.

haha, yeah, i guess i figured this site automatically censored. dumb, i know.



EDIT: You could have the best name on these boards. Long live Salute...

i'm glad you get the reference. thanks.

[caveBEAR]

haha, yeah, i guess i figured this site automatically censored. dumb, i know.



i'm glad you get the reference. thanks.

Well, welcome!

[theguy77]

This is kind of what I was wondering: what the fuck is she going to say, ever, about anything, that makes any sense, that people will listen to? Really??

thats what smart people say about bill o'reilly but look who has a featured show on that network.

[Charles777]

I hate her guts but I watch her because she's hilarious.

[samsara]

I hate her guts but I watch her because she's hilarious.

Thats how I am. If I ever feel down she is always someone I can laugh at.

[Charles777]

Thats how I am. If I ever feel down she is always someone I can laugh at.
When there's nothing good to watch on tv, I just switch it FN to see what bullshit they're talking about. haha

[samsara]

When there's nothing good to watch on tv, I just switch it FN to see what bullshit they're talking about. haha

Ha I should do that when the discovery channel fails me.

[Charles777]

Ha I should do that when the discovery channel fails me.
Well that shouldn't be very often. The Discovery Channel always seems to have something good on

[samsara]

Well that shouldn't be very often. The Discovery Channel always seems to have something good on

Yeah indeed it hardly ever fails, unless the show is about cars or its late then its infomercials.

[kwsqd]

I have no respect for Sarah Palin. This reconfirms why.

[xshady121]

I have no respect for Sarah Palin. This reconfirms why.

Because she works for a news network?

That's a horrible reason to not respect someone.

[samsara]

I think because she will do anything to get back into the limelight.

[kwsqd]

Because she works for a news network?

That's a horrible reason to not respect someone.
No.

and agreed.

[Vanedarlingg]

No surprise here. She has nothing else to do with her life now-a-days.

[Vanedarlingg]

You are a 23 year old man-boy who likes Escape the Fate and Attack Attack! Thus, your opinion is null and void.
thisss. LOL.

[SunnyInPhilly]

I think because she will do anything to get back into the limelight.

If that were her goal, I'm pretty sure running for president would make more sense than becoming a contributor on Fox News.

[Zkrp]

If that were her goal, I'm pretty sure running for president would make more sense than becoming a contributor on Fox News.

Thumbs up on that one

[kwsqd]

If that were her goal, I'm pretty sure running for president would make more sense than becoming a contributor on Fox News.
lancaster, represent

[rawesome]

If that were her goal, I'm pretty sure running for president would make more sense than becoming a contributor on Fox News.
Well, in fairness, she still has about a year and half before she really would start to campaign, so she has to stay "relevant" somehow, since her book hype has died down tremendously. I see no better way for her to do that than join the FN team.

[xshady121]

Well, in fairness, she still has about a year and half before she really would start to campaign, so she has to stay "relevant" somehow, since her book hype has died down tremendously. I see no better way for her to do that than join the FN team.

Not true.

Exploratory Committees are going to get going by the end of the summer. The campaign will be in full swing by this time next year.

If she only wanted the attention, she'd go on speaking engagements across the country, maybe do some fundraising, keep her name out there and then prepare for a run next year.

[SunnyInPhilly]

lancaster, represent

Holdin' down the Lanc Lanc.

[rawesome]

Not true.

Exploratory Committees are going to get going by the end of the summer. The campaign will be in full swing by this time next year.

If she only wanted the attention, she'd go on speaking engagements across the country, maybe do some fundraising, keep her name out there and then prepare for a run next year.
Well, I overestimated on how long before she would start campaigning hard on the assumption that if she really wants the nomination, from what I've heard from Republicans I know, it is basically hers. She is easily the most famous Republican politician at the moment and while guys like Romney and Huckabee would be more qualified, their seen as less-desired by people because of their notoriety and because they will be, once again, viewed as the "Old White Guy Party" if one of them were to run. Jindal is one of the better-candiates as far as his ability not to completely polarize the election but isn't nearly well-known enough to be a threat. Those two factors (her popularity and the lack of "exciting" candidates) lead those who I've talked to to believe that she is it so long as she chooses to take the reigns. This may not be true everywhere or for everyone, but it's what I have heard for the most frequently.

That being said, FoxNews would be a good chance for her to launch her platform directly to the Republican base should she so desire. Or she's just not thinking of running and wanted to a job.

[xshady121]

Well, I overestimated on how long before she would start campaigning hard on the assumption that if she really wants the nomination, from what I've heard from Republicans I know, it is basically hers. She is easily the most famous Republican politician at the moment and while guys like Romney and Huckabee would be more qualified, their seen as less-desired by people because of their notoriety and because they will be, once again, viewed as the "Old White Guy Party" if one of them were to run. Jindal is one of the better-candiates as far as his ability not to completely polarize the election but isn't nearly well-known enough to be a threat. Those two factors (her popularity and the lack of "exciting" candidates) lead those who I've talked to to believe that she is it so long as she chooses to take the reigns. This may not be true everywhere or for everyone, but it's what I have heard for the most frequently.

That being said, FoxNews would be a good chance for her to launch her platform directly to the Republican base should she so desire. Or she's just not thinking of running and wanted to a job.

You could not be any more wrong on both of your points.

[rawesome]

You could not be any more wrong on both of your points.
Oh, okay. Why?

[xshady121]

Oh, okay. Why?


Well, I overestimated on how long before she would start campaigning hard on the assumption that if she really wants the nomination, from what I've heard from Republicans I know, it is basically hers. She is easily the most famous Republican politician at the moment and while guys like Romney and Huckabee would be more qualified, their seen as less-desired by people because of their notoriety and because they will be, once again, viewed as the "Old White Guy Party" if one of them were to run. Jindal is one of the better-candiates as far as his ability not to completely polarize the election but isn't nearly well-known enough to be a threat. Those two factors (her popularity and the lack of "exciting" candidates) lead those who I've talked to to believe that she is it so long as she chooses to take the reigns. This may not be true everywhere or for everyone, but it's what I have heard for the most frequently.

That being said, FoxNews would be a good chance for her to launch her platform directly to the Republican base should she so desire. Or she's just not thinking of running and wanted to a job.

I don't know who you're talking to, but the nomination "isn't basically hers if she wants it".

She wants it, and it isn't hers.

Who sees Romney and Huckabee as less desired? Romney will most likely be the republicans nominee. Right now, I would say he is the front runner, and barring some Obama-like figure coming out of nowhere, it's Romney's to lose. Huck may have had a shot, and he'll do reasonably well in the primary, but he doesn't have a shot nationally and the GOP knows this.

The GOP doesn't mind being referred to as the "old White Guy Party".

Jindal isn't a better candidate. He can only do more harm than good.

Once again, I don't know who you're talking to, but there is not a CHANCE Palin can win the nomination. The GOP won't allow that to happen.

Working with a television network is a dumb idea to launch a campaign. Let's disregard the obvious negative (that being attached to the network is akin to wearing a scarlett letter) and look at the reason Rush has never gotten into politics. It isn't because he doesn't want to. You would think having direct access to the core would be beneficial. You'd be wrong though. Associating with any network like this only helps further decrease the odds you'll win an election.


You're grasping at straws if you think she did this as any sort of a primer to the nomination. If that was the case, she would have signed on immediately after the election like there were rumors about her doing. If anything, she consulted with advisors and realized that she had no shot at the nomination. If she honestly believes she did and STILL went to Fox News, then she should fire every single advisor that told her that's a good idea. And I promise you, her advisors aren't that dumb.

[GeeBee]

I don't know who you're talking to, but the nomination "isn't basically hers if she wants it".

She wants it, and it isn't hers.

Who sees Romney and Huckabee as less desired? Romney will most likely be the republicans nominee. Right now, I would say he is the front runner, and barring some Obama-like figure coming out of nowhere, it's Romney's to lose. Huck may have had a shot, and he'll do reasonably well in the primary, but he doesn't have a shot nationally and the GOP knows this.

The GOP doesn't mind being referred to as the "old White Guy Party".

Jindal isn't a better candidate. He can only do more harm than good.

Once again, I don't know who you're talking to, but there is not a CHANCE Palin can win the nomination. The GOP won't allow that to happen.

Working with a television network is a dumb idea to launch a campaign. Let's disregard the obvious negative (that being attached to the network is akin to wearing a scarlett letter) and look at the reason Rush has never gotten into politics. It isn't because he doesn't want to. You would think having direct access to the core would be beneficial. You'd be wrong though. Associating with any network like this only helps further decrease the odds you'll win an election.


You're grasping at straws if you think she did this as any sort of a primer to the nomination. If that was the case, she would have signed on immediately after the election like there were rumors about her doing. If anything, she consulted with advisors and realized that she had no shot at the nomination. If she honestly believes she did and STILL went to Fox News, then she should fire every single advisor that told her that's a good idea. And I promise you, her advisors aren't that dumb.

I think you underestimate how much people DON'T want to vote for a Mormon. According to last years' polling, they're as likely to vote for a muslim, gay, or atheist. I don't see it happenin'.

Although I'd love to see him campaign and the mormon church be forced to confront all the skeletons in its closet.

[loveisdead]

I agree with Shady on nearly everything. Romney has got it right now.

[GeeBee]

I agree with Shady on nearly everything. Romney has got it right now.

See above.

[loveisdead]

See above.
Already did.

[GeeBee]

Already did.

Fair enough. I think he may be a fine candidate for the Repubs, but that ain't sayin' much.

[rawesome]

A guy who I talk to a lot, and who lists his political views on Facbook as being "SUPER-ULTRA-MEGA-NEO-Conservative" has been complaining since before the 08 election that the Republican party is devoid of any really gripping candidates. He has gone out and said that he doesn't like anyone mentioned, including Romney. It may just be where I'm from but a lot of people really like Palin simply because of how well known she is, mostly because they feel like they need someone who can counter Obama's celebrity. You obviously have different sources, but I don't listen to Rush or watch FN so all I have to go on as far as Republican opinion is a few friends and my dad.

Also, I agree 100% that her joining FN as a means of launching a campaign is a terrible idea, but being terrible doesn't make it not true. I conceded in my last post that I don't actually know why she took the job and really only chimed in to begin with to play Devil's advocate because everyone was immediately writing this off as her throwing in the presidential towel when that is not necessarily the case because it's not like any of us actually know what her motives are.

Also, I didn't say Jindal was the best candidate, I just said the least polarizing. He would probably be a terrible candidate, in truth.

[GeeBee]

Agreed. I think Jindal would be the better choice.

[SunnyInPhilly]

A guy who I talk to a lot, and who lists his political views on Facbook as being "SUPER-ULTRA-MEGA-NEO-Conservative" has been complaining since before the 08 election that the Republican party is devoid of any really gripping candidates. He has gone out and said that he doesn't like anyone mentioned, including Romney. It may just be where I'm from but a lot of people really like Palin simply because of how well known she is, mostly because they feel like they need someone who can counter Obama's celebrity. You obviously have different sources, but I don't listen to Rush or watch FN so all I have to go on as far as Republican opinion is a few friends and my dad.

Also, I agree 100% that her joining FN as a means of launching a campaign is a terrible idea, but being terrible doesn't make it not true. I conceded in my last post that I don't actually know why she took the job and really only chimed in to begin with to play Devil's advocate because everyone was immediately writing this off as her throwing in the presidential towel when that is not necessarily the case because it's not like any of us actually know what her motives are.

Also, I didn't say Jindal was the best candidate, I just said the least polarizing. He would probably be a terrible candidate, in truth.

Just curious, what do you think makes him a terrible candidate?

[xshady121]

A guy who I talk to a lot, and who lists his political views on Facbook as being "SUPER-ULTRA-MEGA-NEO-Conservative" has been complaining since before the 08 election that the Republican party is devoid of any really gripping candidates. He has gone out and said that he doesn't like anyone mentioned, including Romney. It may just be where I'm from but a lot of people really like Palin simply because of how well known she is, mostly because they feel like they need someone who can counter Obama's celebrity. You obviously have different sources, but I don't listen to Rush or watch FN so all I have to go on as far as Republican opinion is a few friends and my dad.

Also, I agree 100% that her joining FN as a means of launching a campaign is a terrible idea, but being terrible doesn't make it not true. I conceded in my last post that I don't actually know why she took the job and really only chimed in to begin with to play Devil's advocate because everyone was immediately writing this off as her throwing in the presidential towel when that is not necessarily the case because it's not like any of us actually know what her motives are.

Also, I didn't say Jindal was the best candidate, I just said the least polarizing. He would probably be a terrible candidate, in truth.

Palin has strong followers in the "I never listen to any bit of news and like what I'm told to like" crowd. She could never win a primary election (on the whole, not individually). The GOP knows she's trouble. I think the excerpts we'll see from Game Change will prove that even more.

Agreed. I think Jindal would be the better choice.

Jindal would be better than Romney? Romney is the de facto candidate in the way McCain was even in 2004. He has a strong following, is a moderate repub, and is well known (and a good fundraiser to boot). He is, essentially, 2012's Bob Dole.

Just curious, what do you think makes him a terrible candidate?

Jindal is a poor public speaker, relatively unknown, and quite polarizing. The higher ups thought he would be the fresh face to re-ignite the base, but he's turned out to be a dud.

If he becomes the nod, it's only because the GOP conceded the election.

[rawesome]

Just curious, what do you think makes him a terrible candidate?
Well he's relatively new to the political scene and has yet to spend any time in Washington. I know the "unqualified" excuse is overplayed and I wouldn't necessarily say he is unqualified, but Washington politics are obviously going to be a lot different than just Louisiana politics. That and when he had his big moment to shine when he responded to one of Obama's press conferences he seemed unprepared and uninspiring. Plus, I don't see too many people wanting to vote for someone of South Asian descent considering the current world landscape.

I actually do kind of like the guy as he seems to be pretty intelligent and, like I said, very willing to work with Democrats, but he wouldn't be a good presidential candidate for the Republican party at this time.

[xshady121]

Well he's relatively new to the political scene and has yet to spend any time in Washington. I know the "unqualified" excuse is overplayed and I wouldn't necessarily say he is unqualified, but Washington politics are obviously going to be a lot different than just Louisiana politics. That and when he had his big moment to shine when he responded to one of Obama's press conferences he seemed unprepared and uninspiring. Plus, I don't see too many people wanting to vote for someone of South Asian descent considering the current world landscape.

I actually do kind of like the guy as he seems to be pretty intelligent and, like I said, very willing to work with Democrats, but he wouldn't be a good presidential candidate for the Republican party at this time.

All your points are very spot on, sans the "people won't want to vote for him because of his ethnicity" one.

The republican party (and once again, I'm talking about their core base) isn't as bad as the conception most have of it is.

I don't think he'll get the nomination, and if he does it means the repubs are mailing it in, but I don't think the base won't support him. Quite the opposite. His quick accession was because of the GOP's faith in him to be a game changer. He just fumbled the ball and the coach took him out..

[rawesome]

All your points are very spot on, sans the "people won't want to vote for him because of his ethnicity" one.

The republican party (and once again, I'm talking about their core base) isn't as bad as the conception most have of it is.
No, but a lot of people harbor really negative feelings towards Middle Easterners. I mean, the average educated American doesn't care, no, but the average uneducated American would have a problem with him representing their country. If they are willing to label someone who is only half-African a Muslim, someone who is from around that region would have even more trouble. Again, this may just be a product of my surroundings (small Midwestern city), but he certainly wouldn't fare well here.

[rawesome]

Palin has strong followers in the "I never listen to any bit of news and like what I'm told to like" crowd. She could never win a primary election (on the whole, not individually). The GOP knows she's trouble. I think the excerpts we'll see from Game Change will prove that even more.



Jindal would be better than Romney? Romney is the de facto candidate in the way McCain was even in 2004. He has a strong following, is a moderate repub, and is well known (and a good fundraiser to boot). He is, essentially, 2012's Bob Dole.



Jindal is a poor public speaker, relatively unknown, and quite polarizing. The higher ups thought he would be the fresh face to re-ignite the base, but he's turned out to be a dud.

If he becomes the nod, it's only because the GOP conceded the election.
You're 100% right. The problem is that a lot of common voters fall into that category.

[xshady121]

No, but a lot of people harbor really negative feelings towards Middle Easterners. I mean, the average educated American doesn't care, no, but the average uneducated American would have a problem with him representing their country. If they are willing to label someone who is only half-African a Muslim, someone who is from around that region would have even more trouble. Again, this may just be a product of my surroundings (small Midwestern city), but he certainly wouldn't fare well here.

The sheeple believe he is a muslim because they don't like democrats and because someone stated he was. They don't care about "facts" because of their hatred towards democrats, not towards muslims.

You're 100% right. The problem is that a lot of common voters fall into that category.

The uneducated like who they're told to like. Right now they like Palin.

The GOP knows Palin couldn't beat a cardboard cut out of Obama in a general election. The political elites (both within the GOP and amongst the general population) won't allow for her to be the nominee. Once talk of others like Huck, Jindal, maybe even Pawlenty gets around, the sheeple won't be following Palin with such blind faith.

[xshady121]

I could also see a name like Pataki possibly elevating to the national stage. He's a fresh face (nationally) that may be able to bridge the gap. He's someone I'd keep an eye on as well.

[Praetor]

I agree with Shady, I don't see why people are so against the possibility of Romney being the nominee. He's really the only famous face that hasn't fucked up horrendously.

Also, happy birthday Shady =)

edit: Also, what the fuck is your name?

[xshady121]

I agree with Shady, I don't see why people are so against the possibility of Romney being the nominee. He's really the only famous face that hasn't fucked up horrendously.

Also, happy birthday Shady =)

edit: Also, what the fuck is your name?

Romney is this years bob dole

Thank you.

anthony.

[GeeBee]

I agree with Shady, I don't see why people are so against the possibility of Romney being the nominee. He's really the only famous face that hasn't fucked up horrendously.

Also, happy birthday Shady =)

edit: Also, what the fuck is your name?

Give him time. The flip-flopping issue will definitely hurt him.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Romney should start referring to himself in the third person now.



also happy b-day!

[J.C.]

I think Romney's in the driver's seat for 2012 and I pegged him as the favorite right after the election last year. He seems to be the only one intelligent enough to realize it's probably best to lay low for a little while and not be out criticizing Obama at every step of his Presidency. The more vocal you are and the more statements you make, the more you ultimately have to answer for down the road.

Romney's biggest hurdle from a Republican standpoint is that he comes off typical and calculating and the approach he's taken by laying in the weeds kinda reinforces that notion.

[saysmydoctor]

You're all wrong, start paying attention to Haley Barbour.

[Tead42]

cardboard cut out of Obama[/B] in a general election. The political elites (both within the GOP and amongst the general population) won't allow for her to be the nominee. Once talk of others like Huck, Jindal, maybe even Pawlenty gets around, the sheeple won't be following Palin with such blind faith.
Cardboard Obama takes as long of a pause between sentences as the real one.

[Getup and Dance]

Agreed. I think Jindal would be the better choice.

I may be the only one, but I wouldn't mind Petraeus running.

[saysmydoctor]

I may be the only one, but I wouldn't mind Petraeus running.
http://www.faculty.rsu.edu/%7Efelwell/Theorists/Mills/power2

[Jason Tate]

I think Romney's in the driver's seat for 2012 and I pegged him as the favorite right after the election last year. He seems to be the only one intelligent enough to realize it's probably best to lay low for a little while and not be out criticizing Obama at every step of his Presidency. The more vocal you are and the more statements you make, the more you ultimately have to answer for down the road.

Romney's biggest hurdle from a Republican standpoint is that he comes off typical and calculating and the approach he's taken by laying in the weeds kinda reinforces that notion.
If Mormonism was exposed to the masses ... he wouldn't even stand a chance.

[Getup and Dance]

http://www.faculty.rsu.edu/%7Efelwell/Theorists/Mills/power2

Im sure it wont happen, but I see him like a modern day Ike and it could be what the Repulicans might need to have a good chance.

[saysmydoctor]

If Mormonism was exposed to the masses ... he wouldn't even stand a chance.
Hahahaha.
Im sure it wont happen, but I see him like a modern day Ike and it could be what the Repulicans might need to have a good chance.
Petraeus is no Eisenhower.

[J.C.]

If Mormonism was exposed to the masses ... he wouldn't even stand a chance.

Agreed, although I admit I haven't seen the latest poll numbers on where Americans stand when it comes to the issue of magic underwear.

I still think it'll be a bigger obstacle for him in winning the Republican nomination than it would be in a general, for a few reasons.

[J.C.]

Im sure it wont happen, but I see him like a modern day Ike and it could be what the Repulicans might need to have a good chance.

What Republicans need to do is back away from being the war party.

[GeeBee]

Agreed, although I admit I haven't seen the latest poll numbers on where Americans stand when it comes to the issue of magic underwear.

I still think it'll be a bigger obstacle for him in winning the Republican nomination than it would be in a general, for a few reasons.

The latest poll numbers from 2008 said people would likely prefer a muslim, atheist, or homosexual over a Mormon.

Plus, a Mormon simply will not be able to get the nom from the evangelical base. It just won't happen.

[GeeBee]

If Mormonism was exposed to the masses ... he wouldn't even stand a chance.

He'd get Missouri's vote, since, you know...that's where the garden of eden was located. 6,000 years ago.

[J.C.]

The latest poll numbers from 2008 said people would likely prefer a muslim, atheist, or homosexual over a Mormon.

I just wanted to make a magic underpants reference.

[GeeBee]

I just wanted to make a magic underpants reference.

Stories abound in Utah about "my cousin" or "some guy I know" who was set on fire, shot, or hit by a speedboat, and was critically injured, except for the parts of the body that the magic underwear covered. Hahaha.

[GeeBee]

What Republicans need to do is back away from being the war party.

I can only hope that the "tea partiers" further fracture the Republican brand.

[xshady121]

I can only hope that the "tea partiers" further fracture the Republican brand.

The tea partiers aren't all crazy. I remember stumbling upon one on accident and seeing a large support from both the C4L and Ron Paul...

It is the few that have taken to it because Fox News and Glenn Beck told them they should. And unfortunately, they are the ones people think of when someone mentions a tea party.

[GeeBee]

The tea partiers aren't all crazy. I remember stumbling upon one on accident and seeing a large support from both the C4L and Ron Paul...

It is the few that have taken to it because Fox News and Glenn Beck told them they should. And unfortunately, they are the ones people think of when someone mentions a tea party.

Agreed. I agree with some of the more intelligent aspects of the movement. Unfortunately, they're the least vocal and least reported on.

[xshady121]

Agreed. I agree with some of the more intelligent aspects of the movement. Unfortunately, they're the least vocal and least reported on.

Isn't it always the case that the crazys are the only ones reported on?

I mean, "Logical Republican Asks Nicely for No New Taxes" doesn't make as much of a ratings stir as "Crazy Repub: Obama=Hitler=Stalin" . It's a shame

[GeeBee]

Isn't it always the case that the crazys are the only ones reported on?

I mean, "Logical Republican Asks Nicely for No New Taxes" doesn't make as much of a ratings stir as "Crazy Repub: Obama=Hitler=Stalin" . It's a shame

Haha, agreed.

[sissyfist]

I see no difference between Palin or Jindal or Romney or even Pawlenty, so that's probably why. The only nominee I'm 'afraid' of from the GOP in 2012 is Barbour, there is no way the GOP will embrace Jindal, Romney is a fucking idiot, and who is Pawlenty? C'mon.

She would never have won nomination, let's be serious.
You should be afraid of Romney.

[GeeBee]

You should be afraid of Romney.

Again, no. He would not withstand the scrutiny of his Mormonism. It's skeletons would be out of the closet, and as soon as people realized he believed in that nonsense, he'd be through.

[ghostyouare]

Again, no. He would not withstand the scrutiny of his Mormonism. It's skeletons would be out of the closet, and as soon as people realized he believed in that nonsense, he'd be through.
I might be misunderstanding but are you saying that Mormonism would be the thing under scrunity?

[saysmydoctor]

You should be afraid of Romney.
He is actually the least threatening in my opinion.

[acemvivere]

I find it difficult to imagine a Mormon being able to garner many votes from Republicans.

Not that I have anything against the religion (except when I'm running to my next class, and someone latches onto my jacket and tries to hand me a card).

[derekmoyer4]

He is actually the least threatening in my opinion.
i agree. also, what do you think about John Thune (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100113/pl_politico/31431)?

i am certainly not a conservative, i just did not know what you thought about him or if you have heard much about him either.

[sissyfist]

He is actually the least threatening in my opinion.
I hope you are right but he seems to fit right in with this whole backlash against Obama that is happening right now. It is true that his Mormonism might be a problem, but he could very well pull it off.

[sissyfist]

Again, no. He would not withstand the scrutiny of his Mormonism. It's skeletons would be out of the closet, and as soon as people realized he believed in that nonsense, he'd be through.
And also being a Morman, most people realize that he probably does not believe all the crazy stuff in the Book of Mormon. Which makes him a cynical poser to me, but again, could help him.

[saysmydoctor]

i agree. also, what do you think about John Thune (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100113/pl_politico/31431)?

i am certainly not a conservative, i just did not know what you thought about him or if you have heard much about him either.
I'm watching Thune and Barbour as the dark horses in 2012.

[loveisdead]

I'm watching Thune and Barbour as the dark horses in 2012.
Why do you think Romney has no shot? I'm very afraid of him.

[derekmoyer4]

I'm watching Thune and Barbour as the dark horses in 2012.
interesting. i think both will look to throw their names into the foray, but i am not sure how much lasting power Barbour has.

but it is still quite early to really tell.

[saysmydoctor]

Why do you think Romney has no shot? I'm very afraid of him.
Because he lost the nomination to McCain of all people. His 'social conservatism' was in question last cycle and he lost to John McCain. I'm willing to bet my life that he will not get the nomination.

[saysmydoctor]

interesting. i think both will look to throw their names into the foray, but i am not sure how much lasting power Barbour has.

but it is still quite early to really tell.
Barbour has the gift of having not even a blimp on the radar. He governs his state and leads the RGA. He has stature and he barely has any name recognition. The people don't know him.

In a lot of ways, that's a gift.

[derekmoyer4]

Barbour has the gift of having not even a blimp on the radar. He governs his state and leads the RGA. He has stature and he barely has any name recognition. The people don't know him.

In a lot of ways, that's a gift.
that is true. kind of what i was thinking. i suppose we shall see.

[GeeBee]

I might be misunderstanding but are you saying that Mormonism would be the thing under scrunity?
Yes. And when its seedy past and moronic claims are unearthed, it will ruin Romney and do pretty big damage to the church.
And also being a Morman, most people realize that he probably does not believe all the crazy stuff in the Book of Mormon. Which makes him a cynical poser to me, but again, could help him.
Wha?
Because he lost the nomination to McCain of all people. His 'social conservatism' was in question last cycle and he lost to John McCain. I'm willing to bet my life that he will not get the nomination.
Thank you. Between his flip-flopping and belief in Kolob, I'd double down on your bet.

[Machu505]

I'd like to see Barbour as a candidate. What we need in American national politics is a good ol' southern accent. Like molasses flowing out your mouth.

[saysmydoctor]

Yes. And when its seedy past and moronic claims are unearthed, it will ruin Romney and do pretty big damage to the church.

Wha?

Thank you. Between his flip-flopping and belief in Kolob, I'd double down on your bet.
Honestly, my opinion on the matter is this: if you lost the nomination to McCain, you are never a viable candidate ever again. I mean, you lost to one of the most laughable campaigns in recent memory. And with Romney, his weakness are very much like McCain's. So that just furthers my point.

[SunnyInPhilly]

And with Romney, his weakness are very much like McCain's. So that just furthers my point.

What weaknesses do you think they share?

[GeeBee]

Honestly, my opinion on the matter is this: if you lost the nomination to McCain, you are never a viable candidate ever again. I mean, you lost to one of the most laughable campaigns in recent memory. And with Romney, his weakness are very much like McCain's. So that just furthers my point.
Exactly.
What weaknesses do you think they share?
Poor decision-making of campaign staff, for one, haha.

[sissyfist]

Yes. And when its seedy past and moronic claims are unearthed, it will ruin Romney and do pretty big damage to the church.

Wha?

Thank you. Between his flip-flopping and belief in Kolob, I'd double down on your bet.
Do you think all the crazy shit in the bible is believed honestly by most Christians? People join religious groups to feel accepted and to fill a metaphysical void, most intelligent adults understand that and are willing to let it slide if a politician is a member of a certain religious group. Like before Kennedy nobody thought a Catholic could be elected.

[caveBEAR]

Do you think all the crazy shit in the bible is believed honestly by most Christians? People join religious groups to feel accepted and to fill a metaphysical void, most intelligent adults understand that and are willing to let it slide if a politician is a member of a certain religious group. Like before Kennedy nobody thought a Catholic could be elected.

Catholic =/= Mormon

[GeeBee]

Do you think all the crazy shit in the bible is believed honestly by most Christians? People join religious groups to feel accepted and to fill a metaphysical void, most intelligent adults understand that and are willing to let it slide if a politician is a member of a certain religious group. Like before Kennedy nobody thought a Catholic could be elected.

I agree that both are equally nonsensical. The difference is that one has been around for almost 2000 years, while the other is not even a tenth that old. So yes, I'm suggesting that there is a wide chasm between the levels of acceptance between Catholicism and Mormonism. Use your head.

[sissyfist]

I agree that both are equally nonsensical. The difference is that one has been around for almost 2000 years, while the other is not even a tenth that old. So yes, I'm suggesting that there is a wide chasm between the levels of acceptance between Catholicism and Mormonism. Use your head.
No need to be insulting...I think long and hard about politics and that is why Romney scares me so much...I do not think Palin will run (or I hope to god not) but I do think Romney, on the strength of his knowledge of finance, and his resemblance to Reagan, could possibly win. I understand that his being a Mormon is very possibly his Achilles heel.