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xjulianx89
01/11/10, 03:05 PM
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/urgent-spider-man-4-scrapped-as-is-raimi-and-cast-out-franchise-reboot-planned/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Thoughts?

B00sh
01/11/10, 03:08 PM
I'm kinda sad about this, the 3rd could be called a failure but the first two were great. I'm gunna miss the cast.

Guern1ca
01/11/10, 03:09 PM
Yeah, only a matter of time before this thread was made, hah. Read it on Variety. Got'em.

demondays524
01/11/10, 03:33 PM
I'm kind of bummed about this. I loved the cast of the first 3 movies, it won't be the same without them.

fake empire
01/11/10, 03:36 PM
This sucks. I'm sure Raimi could've gone out with a great fourth movie if the studio would have fucked off. Oh well, they better get a good director.

TJ Wells
01/11/10, 03:37 PM
I am not remotely surprised, and I could not care less.

TJ Wells
01/11/10, 03:37 PM
I hope Raimi does more stuff in the vein of Drag Me to Hell.

MADSTA
01/11/10, 03:37 PM
Good to see they ended on a high note....

fake empire
01/11/10, 03:38 PM
I hope Raimi does more stuff in the vein of Drag Me to Hell.
Me too, but I think he's probably gonna do World of Warcraft next I guess.

SlappedActor
01/11/10, 03:39 PM
If that's true, he can cast Kirsten Dunst as the orc queen.

fake empire
01/11/10, 03:39 PM
And do we really need to see the Spider-Man origin again so soon? Fuck that. Maybe they'll kinda just skip over it like they did with Incredible Hulk.

irthesteve
01/11/10, 03:51 PM
well 3 was absolutely horrid so it's probably best they aren't continuing

poppa Q
01/11/10, 03:52 PM
Yea!, let's reboot a series that is three months old. Fucking stupid.

fake empire
01/11/10, 03:52 PM
I love the scene in 3 when James Franco and Kirsten Dunst dance to The Twist

batmannj
01/11/10, 03:53 PM
Rest in hell, female Vulture

Kozzy333
01/11/10, 03:57 PM
Probably going to go for a darker, grittier story, sort of like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 03:58 PM
BRING BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS ON BOARD.

x

'Nuff said.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 04:07 PM
No more Kirsten Dunst and specially NO MORE ORGANIC WEB SHOOTERS.

Just hire Brian Michael Bendis and follow Ultimate Spider-Man's script.

fake empire
01/11/10, 04:10 PM
So who do you guys want them to cast?

How about Joseph Gorden Levitt as Peter and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Mary Jane?

murrich
01/11/10, 04:10 PM
No incentive to see this anymore.

anamericangod
01/11/10, 04:10 PM
I fucking loved Kirsten Dunst.

fake empire
01/11/10, 04:11 PM
Probably going to go for a darker, grittier story, sort of like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
Seems unnecessary with Spider-Man, unless it's story with Venom or someone like that.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 04:16 PM
Spider-Man is going back to high school as Sony said, so we need a kid and Joseph Gordon-Levitt is too old for the part. We need a kid, but not Anton Yelchin.

It seems they're going ultimate on us, so who could play a 15 years old Spider-Man?

Dunn.Nope
01/11/10, 04:19 PM
World of Warcraft better be awesome if this has to die.

Gaugzilla
01/11/10, 04:19 PM
And do we really need to see the Spider-Man origin again so soon? Fuck that. Maybe they'll kinda just skip over it like they did with Incredible Hulk.

Yea!, let's reboot a series that is three months old. Fucking stupid.

Amen to both of these. There's no reason to reboot a series that doesn't need it. It wasn't like a "Batman" or "Incredible Hulk" situation where the original didn't necessarily capture the tone of the comics. The first two did it very well. We don't need to know how Peter Parker became Spider-Man since the first covered it. This is ridiculous.

Probably going to go for a darker, grittier story, sort of like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

The thing is Spider-Man isn't a dark story. Peter Parker wasn't some haunted character, he was a frickin kid.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 04:22 PM
Hopefully this new rebooted SPIDER-MAN movie franchise will contain the following 4 things.

1. mechanical webshooters

2. Spidey constantly cracking lots of jokes while he is fighting the bad guys.

3. Spidey keeping his mask on and not getting it torn off or taken off when he's fighting the bad guys.

4. Uncle Ben's killer living.

Hopefully this rebooted movie franchise will NOT include the following 3 things.

1. Spidey unmasking every 5 minutes.

2. Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer.

3. organic webshooters

jusscali
01/11/10, 04:22 PM
holy shit lol that's incredible

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:23 PM
I feel as if a reboot isn't needed. They can the franchise right now, knowingly they have already made 2 great movies.

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:27 PM
Probably going to go for a darker, grittier story, sort of like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
Peter Parker isn't as much a tortured soul like Bruce Wayne. During his fights, it's typical of him to insult and joke as the fight rages on. And they already explored a darker Spiderman, in "Spiderman: Reign" which was pretty disturbing.

flyball
01/11/10, 04:29 PM
if they did this i think they should make it at least lead into a reboot of the venom saga. although they could only do it in one movie, having a dark knight type with venom as the villain would be epic. and imagine if they left off with like a carnage hint at the end:thumbup::thumbup:

HogarthHughes
01/11/10, 04:33 PM
I hope Raimi does more stuff in the vein of Drag Me to Hell.

This.

Dunn.Nope
01/11/10, 04:33 PM
speaking of Venom, is that scrapped too?

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:34 PM
I do not think they should do an orgin story with this reboot. Start with Peter Parker already being Spiderman, not beginning the movie with Uncle Ben's death.

open mind
01/11/10, 04:35 PM
way to early to reboot...at least kirsten dunst is out.

Max_123
01/11/10, 04:36 PM
hopefully when the re-boot they also re-evaluate where they want to take the next movie because #3 was a disgrace

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:37 PM
if they did this i think they should make it at least lead into a reboot of the venom saga. although they could only do it in one movie, having a dark knight type with venom as the villain would be epic. and imagine if they left off with like a carnage hint at the end:thumbup::thumbup:
as badass as carnage is, there isn't a lot to him as a character. He just likes to kill, he is not a genius nor is he conflicting. Venom was great villain to go with, but the studio messed up his character. Venom hated Spiderman alone, and thought of himself as the defender of the innocent.

drudo182
01/11/10, 04:39 PM
This is crazy. I really liked Tobey Maguire but yeah, the third one blew pretty bad.

Could go either way. Hope we get a new villain. I want Mysterio.

Max_123
01/11/10, 04:41 PM
speaking of Venom, is that scrapped too?
Well i'm not sure, last I heard was that they wanted someone else to play Venom because they weren't sure if Topher Grace could carry that franchise..

StrictlyBiznas
01/11/10, 04:44 PM
Good, this gives them a chance to do Venom the right way. However I did like Tobey McGuire as Peter Parker.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 04:46 PM
Everyone needs to cut the shit. Venom sucks. Reboot needs different villains.

drudo182
01/11/10, 04:46 PM
I hope they get an unknown to play Peter. I can't think of any young actor I could see playing him at the moment.

Ideas?

drudo182
01/11/10, 04:46 PM
Everyone needs to cut the shit. Venom sucks. Reboot needs different villains.

I agree. I don't want to see any form of Venom again honestly.

flyball
01/11/10, 04:47 PM
venom sucks?? venom is a beast...if done right. this time he needs to be bigger. at least the Rock size.

StrictlyBiznas
01/11/10, 04:49 PM
Everyone needs to cut the shit. Venom sucks. Reboot needs different villains.

Venom does not suck. Venom is Spider Man's Joker.

Unique Dragon
01/11/10, 04:49 PM
was lookin forward to an epic spidey 4 oh well. spidey reboot is dumb its not like the franchise was a huge failure like the original incredible hulk or 80's batman movies.

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:49 PM
I'm hoping for a villain such as the Lizard or Morbius. Or maybe a less popular villain Morlun, a villain that has nearly killed Spiderman twice.

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 04:50 PM
Something tells me this won't turn out so good. Fingers crossed that Joel Schumacher doesn't get anywhere near this.

StrictlyBiznas
01/11/10, 04:51 PM
I'm hoping for a villain such as the Lizard or Morbius. Or maybe a less popular villain Morlun, a villain that has nearly killed Spiderman twice.

Lizard would have been great in Spider Man 4 as Dr. Connors was in all 3 of the other movies and Peter game him the symbiote in 3.

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:51 PM
Venom does not suck. Venom is Spider Man's Joker.
Green Goblin is Spiderman's joker. The dude has killed Peter Parker's girlfriend, his baby, as well as corrupted his best friend. Sure, no one hates Spiderman as much as Venom, but no one has fucked up his life as much as the Green Goblin.

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 04:52 PM
was lookin forward to an epic spidey 4 oh well. spidey reboot is dumb its not like the franchise was a huge failure like the original incredible hulk or 80's batman movies.
The first two Batman's were great flicks, it was the kid friendly Schumacher sequels that ruined the series to the point where they had to reboot it.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 04:53 PM
Venom does not suck. Venom is Spider Man's Joker.

lol na

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 04:53 PM
Green Goblin is Spiderman's joker. The dude has killed Peter Parker's girlfriend, his baby, as well as corrupted his best friend. Sure, no one hates Spiderman as much as Venom, but no one has fucked up his life as much as the Green Goblin.
I fully back this. Venom wins for sheer hatred for sure but no way was he more evil then the Green Goblin.

Unique Dragon
01/11/10, 04:55 PM
The first two Batman's were great flicks, it was the kid friendly Schumacher sequels that ruined the series to the point where they had to reboot it.

thats actually true, my mistake. the horrible failure of batman forever and the one with robin makes me forget how much i liked the first one. and i ment 90's**

StrictlyBiznas
01/11/10, 04:55 PM
Even if he isn't, Venom is pretty close to being like the Joker in Batman. In a sense that he is one of Spiderman's main enemies.

Dunn.Nope
01/11/10, 04:56 PM
I am not mad that the whole Vulture/Vultress will never happen. what the hell were they thinking with that?

StrictlyBiznas
01/11/10, 04:58 PM
I am not mad that the whole Vulture/Vultress will never happen. what the hell were they thinking with that?

"How can we make this movie worse than the previous instalment?"

jwicklun
01/11/10, 04:58 PM
I fully back this. Venom wins for sheer hatred for sure but no way was he more evil then the Green Goblin.
Plus Eddie Brock comes off as sympathetic. He is a good guy, he just hates Spiderman with a passion. He ends having his own comic book series, protecting the people of San Francisco (my city which is badass), but in the end the suit abandons him, leaving him with cancer. Normon Osborn on the other hand, is bastard, pure and simple.

<*)))><
01/11/10, 04:58 PM
Wow Im drunk then I thought I think Im posting in a thread about spiderman 4.

OurLadyCoolbean
01/11/10, 04:59 PM
Yea!, let's reboot a series that is three months old. Fucking stupid.
haha yeah my thoughts exactly. i can't see this making much money either. Sony is freaking retarded

JordanBuell
01/11/10, 05:00 PM
so happy about this. didnt like the direction that it was taking in the third one and it, in my opinion, is better for them to quit while they are ahead.

a reboot this soon though seems like over kill.

Mirrorsandfevers
01/11/10, 05:01 PM
Interesting.

jwicklun
01/11/10, 05:01 PM
"How can we make this movie worse than the previous instalment?"
Put nipples on the spiderman suit?

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 05:01 PM
Apparently John Malkovich was supposed to play The Vulture according to this (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/malkovich-swoops-into-spider-man-as-villainous-vulture_1128238).

jwicklun
01/11/10, 05:03 PM
http://www.geekforcefive.com/images/uploads/mythos_07_11.png
Is anyone listening? Has any villain ripped out the eye of Spiderman? Morlun is the only answer for the next villain.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 05:04 PM
Even if he isn't, Venom is pretty close to being like the Joker in Batman. In a sense that he is one of Spiderman's main enemies.

I'd say more like the Bane of Spider-Man. A character introduced decades after the hero's inception who "would look cool in a movie".

Genuma
01/11/10, 05:04 PM
3 was awful, but i loved the second one.

Genuma
01/11/10, 05:05 PM
Apparently John Malkovich was supposed to play The Vulture according to this (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/malkovich-swoops-into-spider-man-as-villainous-vulture_1128238).
i like john malkovich but that just sounds like a bad fit.

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 05:09 PM
i like john malkovich but that just sounds like a bad fit.
I kinda agree with that, but I think he could of done a good job with the character given how good of an actor he is.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 05:10 PM
How is he a bad fit at all?

jwicklun
01/11/10, 05:11 PM
i like john malkovich but that just sounds like a bad fit.
The problem with the Vulture is that of all the Spiderman villains, he was the least threatning. I'm sure with a good script they could make him more complex like what they did with Dr. Octopus, but I lost all that hope when they mentioned the "Vultress."

Genuma
01/11/10, 05:12 PM
How is he a bad fit at all?
i don't know, i just can't see him as a spider-man villain.

OurLadyCoolbean
01/11/10, 05:14 PM
I hope they get an unknown to play Peter. I can't think of any young actor I could see playing him at the moment.

Ideas?
As much as i like the idea of getting an unknown, i can only see it turning out to be some crappy Nickelodian movie.
theres just no good way to go with a reboot this soon

drudo182
01/11/10, 05:17 PM
Why wouldn't a reboot work?

WhoSaidThat?
01/11/10, 05:22 PM
Put nipples on the spiderman suit?
And give him a Spidey credit card.

dru
01/11/10, 05:26 PM
interesting. i loved tobey and kirsten as pete and jane. wonder where this will go.

drudo182
01/11/10, 05:26 PM
http://www.bucketmovies.com/images/batman-credit-card1.jpg

Good Thru: Forever

atticusfinch
01/11/10, 05:27 PM
Rejoice!

If James Cameron did a Spider-Man film it would be epic.

Cheshire_Buddha
01/11/10, 05:50 PM
If James Cameron did a Spider-Man film it would be epic.

Didn't he write a script for Spider-Man in the mid-90s?

Carpathia
01/11/10, 05:54 PM
Didn't he write a script for Spider-Man in the mid-90s?

He did. But hoping for Jim to direct a new Spider-Man franchise is wishful thinking. And honestly, having read his vision of Spider-Man (Cameron's script leaked years ago), Spider and Jim are better off on separated ways.

I'd love someone like Gore Verbinski directing the reboot. No idea who actually will though.

FBTMOPenguins
01/11/10, 05:57 PM
I wanted to see redemption for 3's failings, guess not.

MovieManCorey
01/11/10, 06:02 PM
I read the James Vanderbilt script for the reboot. It's wonderful.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 06:04 PM
I read the James Vanderbilt script for the reboot. It's wonderful.

Could you pm it to me?

WarpSpeedChewy
01/11/10, 06:12 PM
Venom does not suck. Venom is Spider Man's Joker.
The Green Goblin is.

http://www.geekforcefive.com/images/uploads/mythos_07_11.png
Is anyone listening? Has any villain ripped out the eye of Spiderman? Morlun is the only answer for the next villain.
Actually, Morlun would be kinda of cool to see.

Why wouldn't a reboot work?
Because it's way too soon for an already successful franchise. Plus, another high-school Peter Parker story ? I could get my head around a reboot if they did it like The Incredible Hulk, but they way the studio described it is stupid. I'm angry this is happening just because I was looking forward to seeing Peter Parker progress further in the series.

Rejoice!

If James Cameron did a Spider-Man film it would be epic.
If Cameron did it, my interest might come back.

TinMan20
01/11/10, 06:14 PM
I belive its considerably too soon for a Spiderman 'Reboot'. Make the series an afterthought before they take on a whole new take on the charector. We are inudated with new series all the time, we wont be able to tell which franchise we are watching ten years from now. (honestly, whos gonna tell me who played each Hulk in ten years? My guess they both will be forgotten...and look back saying, "Why did we need two Hulks in that time span?) Spiderman has been done, and in my opinion done well, sans the SM3. Is a new take on the Spiderman franchise really needed right now?

I was looking forward to Spidey 4, with John Malcovich as the Vulture. I think Im the only one who wasnt completly opposed to the Vulture. The Lizard would have been what we are all looking for, but the Vulture was a legit way to take the series.

We all agree the third was garbage, but that doesnt mean we need to get used to a new Spiderman, Mary Jane etc. Toby Maguire and Kirsten Dunst were pretty good in the first place. Toby made Peter more of a wuss then needed, and Kirsten played a good Mary Jane, but now we are all gonna complain about the new castings, director, villians....shoulda just gave Spiderman 4 a whirl, and if it was more trash, then re-boot in another ten years.

SOOO, lets all wait on a new Spiderman franchise. Do a lessar known Marvel charector since comic movies are all the rage. I for one would like to see the Black Panther come to to big screen. To my limited knowledge, there has only been one black super hero brought to the screen, that being Blade, and thats more vamire then hero. I always liked Darkhawk as well....but thats never gonna happen.

drudo182
01/11/10, 06:21 PM
The Green Goblin is.


Actually, Morlun would be kinda of cool to see.


Because it's way too soon for an already successful franchise. Plus, another high-school Peter Parker story ? I could get my head around a reboot if they did it like The Incredible Hulk, but they way the studio described it is stupid. I'm angry this is happening just because I was looking forward to seeing Peter Parker progress further in the series.


If Cameron did it, my interest might come back.

Yeah I understand that. I think it's a bit premature but I also think it could be pretty cool.

Shatter_Glass
01/11/10, 06:23 PM
The films got progressively worse, but I was looking forward to seeing John Malkovich as Vulture in four.

a reboot huh?

I got your peter and mary-jane right here Sony....

http://tonicgossip.com/wp-content/ashlee-simpson-pete-wentz-pda-2.jpg

WarpSpeedChewy
01/11/10, 06:24 PM
Yeah I understand that. I think it's a bit premature but I also think it could be pretty cool.
Hey, I would love to see this work. But the odds are against it and there was no reason for it to happen. Plus, that's assuming the right people get attached. What if we get Zac Efron as Peter Parker ? Maybe we'll get The Clone Saga in high school.

tonighttonight0
01/11/10, 06:24 PM
Venom does not suck. Venom is Spider Man's Joker.
Venom is Spider-Man's Bane

Looking forward to a less campy film, I hope. I know AICN was suggesting Neill Blomkamp as a director. I could see it working well if he was given creative control.

TinMan20
01/11/10, 06:27 PM
If Cameron did it, my interest might come back.

Agreed. Bout the only way I miiiiight be a little bit stoked on it. kinda doubt it though. http://sffmedia.com/films/science-fiction-films/449-cameron-planning-avatar-trilogy.html. I read Avatar is a trilogy, so my guess is that Cameron will be busy doing that. However, after he is finished with the Avatar affair, it will probably be time to see a new take on Spiderman.

Jamos4184
01/11/10, 07:15 PM
I'm actually kind of glad about this. I think a reboot is a great idea. I'm hoping for something a little less cheesey. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 2, but I haven't seen Spider-Man 3 since I wasted 2 hours of my life watching it in the theater. As bad as it was, I will say it was awkwardly funny when Peter Parker went all emo and was pelvic-thrusting his way through Manhattan. It was also worth seeing Toby Maguire's awful fake crying, too.

coryatlarge
01/11/10, 07:23 PM
I'm hoping for a villain such as the Lizard or Morbius. Or maybe a less popular villain Morlun, a villain that has nearly killed Spiderman twice.
my only complaint about this is the twilight fans getting obsessed with him and maybe even a blade cameo? yeah i like the character but i hope that they stay clear of the vampire craze going on right now.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 07:30 PM
The villains should be Kingpin and Electro. Like the Ultimate Spider-Man series.

dissident
01/11/10, 07:34 PM
this is fantastic news. the first 3 were fucking awful. any move that gets kirsten dunst's hideous goblin face away is a good one.

Miss Heartcore
01/11/10, 07:39 PM
I got your peter and mary-jane right here Sony....

http://tonicgossip.com/wp-content/ashlee-simpson-pete-wentz-pda-2.jpg
lololol


Though I didn't like any of the movies out of Raimi's Spiderman Trilogy, I agree that it's way too early for a re-boot. But, I guess this timing would make sense if they plan on adding Spiderman to the Avengers movie.

mht
01/11/10, 07:41 PM
I hope Raimi does more stuff in the vein of Drag Me to Hell.


yea he did that stuff 20+ fucking years ago you simpleton

TJ Wells
01/11/10, 07:42 PM
yea he did that stuff 20+ fucking years ago you simpleton
I'm aware. I wish he did it more.

mht
01/11/10, 07:46 PM
its all he did for a whole fucking decade, don't you watch any Bruce Campbell spoken words?

TJ Wells
01/11/10, 07:56 PM
its all he did for a whole fucking decade, don't you watch any Bruce Campbell spoken words?
Shockingly no.

Protested Hero
01/11/10, 08:11 PM
I loved Drag Me To Hell, but Raimi almost played it a bit too safe. He has certainly gotten a hell of a lot better at story-telling (well, having a coherent story at least), but he needed to be way more over the top ala the goat scene.

Also, this is great news for the franchise. Spidey 1 and 2 were great, but the third ruined my favorite character, Venom.

owiseone35
01/11/10, 08:24 PM
What about Shocker as a Villian he is pretty bad ass. At least better than Electro. And I agree they shouldn't re-boot it but what other choices do they have without Toby Maguir, and the main crew.

dissident
01/11/10, 08:44 PM
its all he did for a whole fucking decade, don't you watch any Bruce Campbell spoken words?

and look at the shitty movies he's making now instead. stop being so awkwardly hostile, the guy has a point. he needs to stick to campy horror because campy superhero flicks clearly are not his strength.

jwicklun
01/11/10, 08:48 PM
my only complaint about this is the twilight fans getting obsessed with him and maybe even a blade cameo? yeah i like the character but i hope that they stay clear of the vampire craze going on right now.
the vampire craze will probably end by 2012. Morbius would've been great, and Sam Raime even liked the villain.

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 09:03 PM
this is fantastic news. the first 3 were fucking awful. any move that gets kirsten dunst's hideous goblin face away is a good one.
The first two movies are widely regarded as some of the best superhero movies ever made. And before you go on some tangent about how I'm wrong, just look at the past two decades and look at just how many shitty superhero movies were made and then compare the quality of the them to the first two, it speaks for itself.

dissident
01/11/10, 09:07 PM
The first two movies are widely regarded as some of the best superhero movies ever made. And before you go on some tangent about how I'm wrong, just look at the past two decades and look at just how many shitty superhero movies were made and then compare the quality of the them to the first two, it speaks for itself.

i'm well aware of how popular the first two were. i still thought they were garbage. the first one survived on more of a "wow" factor in the theatre, but once you watch it even just a second time at home it becomes obvious how bad it is. just atrocious dialogue and performances. the second one was a little better, but still had a lot of the same flaws as the first one. the third one is so bad it's hysterical.

Prestonxsmith
01/11/10, 09:09 PM
and look at the shitty movies he's making now instead. stop being so awkwardly hostile, the guy has a point. he needs to stick to campy horror because campy superhero flicks that studios have a total creative stronghold on are clearly not his strength.

Fixed

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/11/10, 09:10 PM
I don't really mind seeing a new cast. They could tie this new universe into the other cross over films they've already started if they chose to now. Not that they couldn't have done that before, but it might have been more jarring if they did it with Tobey because I doubt he would stay forever. Now they might have a chance to do it with a new kid if they choose to and if the new franchise works. It'll be weird to see the origin story happen all over again, but if it's a good movie I won't mind. I was never a big Kirsten Dunst fan, and I'd be down for Mary Elizabeth Winstead if they had gone for an older Peter instead of high school Peter, but alas. I do feel bad for Dylan Baker though. Poor guy was waiting in the wings for three movies and now he'll never get his chance to shine.

IamTheINDUSTRY
01/11/10, 09:39 PM
And do we really need to see the Spider-Man origin again so soon? Fuck that. Maybe they'll kinda just skip over it like they did with Incredible Hulk.

good gosh THIS

Shatter_Glass
01/11/10, 09:43 PM
lololol


Though I didn't like any of the movies out of Raimi's Spiderman Trilogy, I agree that it's way too early for a re-boot. But, I guess this timing would make sense if they plan on adding Spiderman to the Avengers movie.

is that a go??

Miss Heartcore
01/11/10, 09:48 PM
i'm well aware of how popular the first two were. i still thought they were garbage. the first one survived on more of a "wow" factor in the theatre, but once you watch it even just a second time at home it becomes obvious how bad it is. just atrocious dialogue and performances. the second one was a little better, but still had a lot of the same flaws as the first one. the third one is so bad it's hysterical.

I'll be the person to agree with pretty much everything you just said.

dissident
01/11/10, 09:55 PM
Fixed

i'll pre-face this with saying i don't know for sure how the relationship between raimi and sony for the first two flicks were, but i can't imagine they were jerking raimi around from the very beginning. if they really were controlling during the first film, i'd think he wouldn't have signed up for and done two more films. i think the third one's failure is what has played a big part in this whole fiasco. after making a successful first film, i assume sony let raimi do what he wanted for the second one, and then when that was even more successful raimi was able to have free reign again for part 3. when that proved to be a disaster they're making a choice to step in.

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 10:01 PM
i'm well aware of how popular the first two were. i still thought they were garbage. the first one survived on more of a "wow" factor in the theatre, but once you watch it even just a second time at home it becomes obvious how bad it is. just atrocious dialogue and performances. the second one was a little better, but still had a lot of the same flaws as the first one. the third one is so bad it's hysterical.
What were you expecting, an Oscar-caliber film or two?

dissident
01/11/10, 10:09 PM
no, i was expecting well made action flicks. they are not. don't try to pin that fucking elitist high brow tag on me because i think the spiderman movies suck.

anthonydarko
01/11/10, 10:20 PM
no, i was expecting well made action flicks. they are not. don't try to pin that fucking elitist high brow tag on me because i think the spiderman movies suck.
I think they're great movies, you do not. Let's leave it there.

Miss Heartcore
01/11/10, 10:21 PM
no, i was expecting well made action flicks. they are not. don't try to pin that fucking elitist high brow tag on me because i think the spiderman movies suck.

I like the way you talk. Out of curiosity, which is your favorite out of the superhero movies? (DC comics included)

dissident
01/11/10, 10:41 PM
in general i'm not a big comic book/superhero type of guy, but i love movies so i'll watch anything regardless. if i had to choose one, it would be Unbreakable just for taking a down to earth and low key approach to the whole thing. i like all the batman's besides schumaker's (or however the fuck you spell his name), watchmen was cool, iron man was really well done, and despite a couple really awkward parts i thought Daredevil was very entertaining.

mht
01/11/10, 10:46 PM
and look at the shitty movies he's making now instead. stop being so awkwardly hostile, the guy has a point. he needs to stick to campy horror because campy superhero flicks clearly are not his strength.


and what shitty movies are they besides the 3 Spider Man films you seem to have a stick up your ass about?

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/11/10, 10:46 PM
in general i'm not a big comic book/superhero type of guy, but i love movies so i'll watch anything regardless. if i had to choose one, it would be Unbreakable just for taking a down to earth and low key approach to the whole thing. i like all the batman's besides schumaker's (or however the fuck you spell his name), watchmen was cool, iron man was really well done, and despite a couple really awkward parts i thought Daredevil was very entertaining.
Fuck yeah. Have you ever seen the director's cut of Daredevil?

mht
01/11/10, 10:47 PM
Unbreakable? Like the Bruce Willis/Sam Jackson piece of shit? Daredevil? Fucking Daredevil? With Colin fucking Farrell and that awful performance by Ben Affleck? And your going to make fun of the Spider Man movies? get fucked

runningohfive
01/11/10, 10:48 PM
It's too early to make a reboot in 2012....at least in my opinion.

Drew Beringer
01/11/10, 10:49 PM
Can't be any worse than the first three, which were awful. slightly enjoyable, but still awful. I still can't believe Spider-Man 3 was a real movie.

dissident
01/11/10, 10:52 PM
Unbreakable? Like the Bruce Willis/Sam Jackson piece of shit? Daredevil? Fucking Daredevil? With Colin fucking Farrell and that awful performance by Ben Affleck? And your going to make fun of the Spider Man movies? get fucked

aww isn't your feigned outrage precious you knuckle dragging little fuck.. i never said daredevil was good. i said it was entertaining. i can completely understand why it's hated, but i enjoyed it despite its flaws. unbreakable is fucking awesome though and if you think you're coming across like a hardass with better taste because you don't like it, well you're not. you're only making yourself look like an even bigger jackass.

dissident
01/11/10, 10:52 PM
and what shitty movies are they besides the 3 Spider Man films you seem to have a stick up your ass about?

the gift.

dissident
01/11/10, 10:53 PM
Can't be any worse than the first three, which were awful. slightly enjoyable, but still awful. I still can't believe Spider-Man 3 was a real movie.

i was genuinely confused watching it. i was laughing my ass off and i wasnt' sure what was going on.

mht
01/11/10, 10:55 PM
aww isn't your feigned outrage precious you knuckle dragging little fuck.. i never said daredevil was good. i said it was entertaining. i can completely understand why it's hated, but i enjoyed it despite its flaws. unbreakable is fucking awesome though and if you think you're coming across like a hardass with better taste because you don't like it, well you're not. you're only making yourself look like an even bigger jackass.


you're the one that came in here shitting on the spiderman films only to name drop two of the biggest piece of shit films to come out in recent years.

Carpathia
01/11/10, 11:01 PM
Unbreakable? Like the Bruce Willis/Sam Jackson piece of shit? Daredevil? Fucking Daredevil? With Colin fucking Farrell and that awful performance by Ben Affleck? And your going to make fun of the Spider Man movies? get fucked

I do enjoy the first two Spider-Man movies. But calling Unbreakable crap is non sense.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:02 PM
and you're the one defending three of the biggest, corniest, steaming piles of shit to come out only to lose his shit over a movie that is as harmless as they come. and i'm not "name dropping" anything. she asked for my fucking opinion and i gave it to her. i know how bad daredevil is. i recognize its shittiness. i get entertainment out of it anyway. now move along and go act like a tough guy somewhere else where people might actually give a damn about your post count or history around here because i don't give a fuck who you are, you're a fucking loser.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 11:04 PM
you're the one that came in here shitting on the spiderman films only to name drop two of the biggest piece of shit films to come out in recent years.

I liked Unbreakable more than any of these comic book movies kids be jocking.

mht
01/11/10, 11:06 PM
unbreakable is fucking horrible. you people are high

dissident
01/11/10, 11:07 PM
no you're just fucking terrible.

mht
01/11/10, 11:09 PM
ill take these cheesy Spider Man movies over a cliche and cock sucking piece of shit M Night film any day. And the dude is from my state yet.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 11:10 PM
unbreakable is fucking horrible. you people are high

It's no Fifth Sense, but whatever. People hate Fantastic Four and I liked it. I am a bad person.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:10 PM
well it's the last good movie he made. don't get hostile with us because you came in here and were shown how bad your taste is.

mht
01/11/10, 11:11 PM
no, i just have a brain not to like shit movies like unbreakable and fucking daredevil the same way i dont like shit music like the hold steady. it goes hand in hand really

dissident
01/11/10, 11:11 PM
and "cliche" is the only thing you've actually said to describe why you don't like it.

mht
01/11/10, 11:12 PM
i dont like it because it fucking sucks. you dont like spider man, and i dont like unbreakable. there.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:13 PM
no, i just have a brain not to like shit movies like unbreakable and fucking daredevil
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stop bringing up daredevil, i've already said it sucks. you're grasping for straws at this point.

mht
01/11/10, 11:14 PM
im not even defending spider man. I've never even seen two of the spider man films. I just know the franchise made a lot of money. I think all Marvel films suck on the big screen, but unbreakable and daredevil are a lot worse. I'm saying you could have used much better films as your examples to what you think is good/better than Spider Man.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:15 PM
i dont like it because it fucking sucks. you dont like spider man, and i dont like unbreakable. there.

you've shown yourself to be a very thoughtful and articulate young man.

i've said why i don't like spider man. all i've gotten out of you is wonderful adjectives like "cock sucking"

Carpathia
01/11/10, 11:16 PM
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stop bringing up daredevil, i've already said it sucks. you're grasping for straws at this point.

I'll bring Daredevil ONCE, just to clear this up:

Spider-Man 2 >> Spider-Man 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daredevil

Just saying :shrug:

mht
01/11/10, 11:16 PM
i think we can all agree there is nothing wrong with cock sucking. you sir just ate some crab apple sauce today and are in a foul mood.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:17 PM
im not even defending spider man. I've never even seen two of the spider man films. I just know the franchise made a lot of money. I think all Marvel films suck on the big screen, but unbreakable and daredevil are a lot worse. I'm saying you could have used much better films as your examples to what you think is good/better than Spider Man.

i wasn't trying to compare anything to spider man. she asked me what superhero movies i DO like. so i fucking told her. YOU lost your shit over a post that had nothing to do with you, nothing to do with spider man, and to be frank was none of your fucking business to open your mouth about it.

mht
01/11/10, 11:17 PM
I'll bring Daredevil ONCE, just to clear this up:

Spider-Man 2 >> Spider-Man 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daredevil

Just saying :shrug:


uh oh, he's gonna call you names for disagreeing with him. be ready.

mht
01/11/10, 11:19 PM
i wasn't trying to compare anything to spider man. she asked me what superhero movies i DO like. so i fucking told her. YOU lost your shit over a post that had nothing to do with you, nothing to do with spider man, and to be frank was none of your fucking business to open your mouth about it.


she asked you that question in relevance to you shitting on the spider man films for 5 posts on what you do actually like superhero wise. if you didnt come in here taking a shit on Spider Man she would have never asked you what two shitter films you enjoy. I thought it was funny you can say Spider Man sucks and then admit to liking two stinkers like Unbreakable and Daredevil, and you lost your cool about that. In the end, those films suck just as bad if not worse than Spider Man. The end.

WakingTheMisery
01/11/10, 11:19 PM
What about Elektra? That movie was teh tits.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:20 PM
I'll bring Daredevil ONCE, just to clear this up:

Spider-Man 2 >> Spider-Man 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daredevil

Just saying :shrug:

well i'm the type of person that loves really really bad movies and am fascinated by them. spider man 3 and daredevil both fall into that category. spider man 1 and 2 are just bad in a boring and frustrating way.

mht
01/11/10, 11:20 PM
I hate the Spider Man movies but my favorites are Aeon Flux and BloodRayne!!!!!

dissident
01/11/10, 11:21 PM
uh oh, he's gonna call you names for disagreeing with him. be ready.

nah, i only call people names who ask for it. don't act like you didn't come storming into this thread insulting someone for no fucking reason.

foisol
01/11/10, 11:22 PM
I liked Spiderman 3. :shrug:

mht
01/11/10, 11:23 PM
nah, i only call people names who ask for it. don't act like you didn't come storming into this thread insulting someone for no fucking reason.

YOU lost your shit over a post that had nothing to do with you, nothing to do with spider man, and to be frank was none of your fucking business to open your mouth about it.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:23 PM
I hate the Spider Man movies but my favorites are Aeon Flux and BloodRayne!!!!!

never said daredevil was my favorite. never said it was good. you're coming across like a much bigger prick than i am right now.

Miss Heartcore
01/11/10, 11:27 PM
Can't be any worse than the first three, which were awful. slightly enjoyable, but still awful. I still can't believe Spider-Man 3 was a real movie.

Oh hey, we agree on something. I'm shocked I even made it to see the second one with how
much I disliked the first.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:28 PM
YOU lost your shit over a post that had nothing to do with you, nothing to do with spider man, and to be frank was none of your fucking business to open your mouth about it.

what the fuck are you babbling about? i came in here perfectly civil and just pointing out that your view was flawed. your very first post in here you're insulting someone. don't try some high horse bullshit with me.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:28 PM
this is fantastic news. the first 3 were fucking awful. any move that gets kirsten dunst's hideous goblin face away is a good one.

my first post.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:29 PM
yea he did that stuff 20+ fucking years ago you simpleton

mht's.

who's the fucking asshole?

mht
01/11/10, 11:30 PM
what the fuck are you babbling about? i came in here perfectly civil and just pointing out that your view was flawed. your very first post in here you're insulting someone. don't try some high horse bullshit with me.


jungle love, you're driving me mad, you're making me crazy.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:32 PM
not surprised in the least that you're dropping steve miller lyrics.

mht
01/11/10, 11:34 PM
steve miller lyrics are usually my last line of defense so like the great general Robert E Lee before me, I shall concede. It's been an honor to have shared the battle field with you dissident. The better man won today good sir.

jwicklun
01/11/10, 11:36 PM
i'll pre-face this with saying i don't know for sure how the relationship between raimi and sony for the first two flicks were, but i can't imagine they were jerking raimi around from the very beginning. if they really were controlling during the first film, i'd think he wouldn't have signed up for and done two more films. i think the third one's failure is what has played a big part in this whole fiasco. after making a successful first film, i assume sony let raimi do what he wanted for the second one, and then when that was even more successful raimi was able to have free reign again for part 3. when that proved to be a disaster they're making a choice to step in.
uuh in Spiderman 3 he had the least control. The studio pressured him to put Venom him when he specifically did not want him in. He had the most freedom doing 2 which was the best in the series.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:36 PM
i would have went with seger, but to each his own.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:37 PM
uuh in Spiderman 3 he had the least control. The studio pressured him to put Venom him when he specifically did not want him in. He had the most freedom doing 2 which was the best in the series.

fair enough, i could only go on assumptions.

mht
01/11/10, 11:38 PM
i must say they are doing a reboot of Spider Man, but Disney now owns Marvel Studios, so how can this be any better? Isn't there a chance it will be more stripped down and kiddish?

jwicklun
01/11/10, 11:41 PM
fair enough, i could only go on assumptions.
yeah I just wanted to set the record straight. Your getting a lot of shit over a forum about Spiderman.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:43 PM
i must say they are doing a reboot of Spider Man, but Disney now owns Marvel Studios, so how can this be any better? Isn't there a chance it will be more stripped down and kiddish?

well it's supposed to focus on the characters as teenagers, so that's a big risk. it can only go up from spiderman 3 though, and as long as they cast someone with a pulse in the parker role it will be an improvement.

mht
01/11/10, 11:46 PM
well it's supposed to focus on the characters as teenagers, so that's a big risk. it can only go up from spiderman 3 though, and as long as they cast someone with a pulse in the parker role it will be an improvement.


so before he was bit by the spider? so Peter as normal teen? Why don't they just call it 500 Days of Mary Jane Watson then.

dissident
01/11/10, 11:48 PM
hell i don't know, i don't read comic books i fuck pussy. i hear it could be based on ultimate spiderman, however that worked.

mht
01/11/10, 11:49 PM
b-bones is that you playing a prank on me you little bugger...

dissident
01/11/10, 11:51 PM
i'm now confused.

LivingTheLyrics
01/11/10, 11:54 PM
I could totally see Hollywood slapping Michael Cera into the role of Peter. Just saying.

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/11/10, 11:56 PM
Michael Cera would be the weirdest damn Spider-Man...

J.C.
01/11/10, 11:58 PM
3 pissed me off so much, but ugh @ rebooting the friggin' series.

thisisadisaster
01/12/10, 12:01 AM
so before he was bit by the spider? so Peter as normal teen? Why don't they just call it 500 Days of Mary Jane Watson then.

hahahahahaha

jwicklun
01/12/10, 12:12 AM
I could totally see Hollywood slapping Michael Cera into the role of Peter. Just saying.
Maebe as Mary Jane? Tobias Fuunke as the Vulture?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VTf6VaMlXNc/SLS2XbjaQ5I/AAAAAAAAAHg/yq7cLfSQLSM/s320/tobias_funke_headshot.jpg
some headshots by the way.

LivingTheLyrics
01/12/10, 12:35 AM
Maebe as Mary Jane? Tobias Fuunke as the Vulture?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VTf6VaMlXNc/SLS2XbjaQ5I/AAAAAAAAAHg/yq7cLfSQLSM/s320/tobias_funke_headshot.jpg
some headshots by the way.

Knowing how corrupt the film industry, he would probably get stuck playing Startled Citizen #2. No gift basket?!

HogarthHughes
01/12/10, 12:42 AM
This kind of bums me out. I really enjoyed the cast for this series, and I think Raimi brought an awesome touch to the films. The hospital scene in Spider-Man 2 wouldn't have been as effective if another director had done it. Oh well, here's to hoping Raimi re-visits the Evil Dead series.

dissident
01/12/10, 01:26 AM
god no, please leave evil dead alone.

Jake Denning
01/12/10, 01:41 AM
I fucking loved Kirsten Dunst.

as did I.

jwicklun
01/12/10, 01:44 AM
god no, please leave evil dead alone.
why is that bad? he directed the evil dead series.

Hamlet
01/12/10, 01:49 AM
Ah crap. I enjoyed this trilogy, the first two were great, and Spider-Man 2 is one of my favourite movies of all time.

Yes, we all know 3 was anything from misstep to a catastrophe depending on who you ask, but I was hoping that Raimi and the writers would learn from it, and use the same cast to make a kickass 4th film.

KatastrophiE
01/12/10, 01:58 AM
THANK GOD. This franchise was a disaster, first one was charming in its way, but the next 2... Its going to be really hard to find someone to fit into peter parker, i think tobey was alright, they could have found better. Tho he's a damn good actor i just always feel sorry for him for some reason when i see him on screen, even when hes fucking happy. What got to me more then anything was who they chose to be Venom, who is supposed to be spider-man's nemesis, and a pretty burly guy; they chose topher grace...who the fuck casted the last two? All im askin for is one good spider-man movie with venom as the main protagonist, its the least you owe spider-man fans, and if your feeling giddy throw in Carnage for good measure.

sevinw0rds
01/12/10, 05:43 AM
Main problem with this series: the villains were infinitely more interesting than the good guys. Tobey and his dead eyes, his cracking voice. Kirsten and her equally dead eyes and that vacuum of charisma. The characters definitely felt very alive in the first one, the colors popped, everything felt right out of a 1960's comic book, cheesy dialogue and all. Willem Dafoe went for broke, and he'd be one of my favorite villainous performances if he wasn't hampered by that damn Power Ranger suit they gave him. But by the second one, I got the feeling that no one but Franco and Molina wanted to do it at all. Tobey had almost dropped out because of lingering back problems after Seabiscuit anyway. I still don't understand how that movie is so revered. Story-wise, it is a treat (although very derivative of Superman 2) but the acting died long before the franchise hit the proverbial shredder in part 3. Plus, they started turning MJ into a complete bitch. Not cool.

As glad as I'd be to see new faces give this a try, they should definitely wait longer. The Incredible Hulk failed at the box office because most people thought of it as a sequel to Ang Lee's film, which is a shame cause it was solid and Norton was great. While I'm sure the new series won't have the same marketing problems, it's hard to imagine the greater majority of the audience (who admittedly loved these films) giving themthe benefit of the doubt unless they knock the casting out of the park. I'm also having a tough time thinking of a perfect candidate for Peter, although when Jim Sturgess was suggested for the musical I remember thinking he'd be pretty cool. It's gotta be someone with great comic timing, cause that was all but absent from Raimi's films as well. Spidey's sense of humor is integral to what he does.

Sorry...long-time fan of the character.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 07:11 AM
Main problem with this series: the villains were infinitely more interesting than the good guys. Tobey and his dead eyes, his cracking voice. Kirsten and her equally dead eyes and that vacuum of charisma. The characters definitely felt very alive in the first one, the colors popped, everything felt right out of a 1960's comic book, cheesy dialogue and all. Willem Dafoe went for broke, and he'd be one of my favorite villainous performances if he wasn't hampered by that damn Power Ranger suit they gave him. But by the second one, I got the feeling that no one but Franco and Molina wanted to do it at all. Tobey had almost dropped out because of lingering back problems after Seabiscuit anyway. I still don't understand how that movie is so revered. Story-wise, it is a treat (although very derivative of Superman 2) but the acting died long before the franchise hit the proverbial shredder in part 3. Plus, they started turning MJ into a complete bitch. Not cool.

As glad as I'd be to see new faces give this a try, they should definitely wait longer. The Incredible Hulk failed at the box office because most people thought of it as a sequel to Ang Lee's film, which is a shame cause it was solid and Norton was great. While I'm sure the new series won't have the same marketing problems, it's hard to imagine the greater majority of the audience (who admittedly loved these films) giving them the benefit of the doubt unless they knock the casting out of the park. I'm also having a tough time thinking of a perfect candidate for Peter, although when Jim Sturgess was suggested for the musical I remember thinking he'd be pretty cool. It's gotta be someone with great comic timing, cause that was all but absent from Raimi's films as well. Spidey's sense of humor is integral to what he does.

Sorry...long-time fan of the character.
I just went on a laughing fit at work over this and my coworkers questioned what I was up to.

Anyway, pretty much everything you said in the two paragraphs, I completely agree with. I think you and Dissident have pretty much nailed how I feel about the series with what you guys said.

Jim Sturgess is in interesting suggestion. However, still may be too old in my opinion.

jbaseball44
01/12/10, 07:26 AM
Not sure how I feel about this. Liked Spiderman-2 a lot and thought the first one was okay. Hope the reboot is good but I can't say I'm overly optimistic at this point.

drudo182
01/12/10, 08:14 AM
I honestly think some of the backlash toward the first two films stems from the completely terrible taste the third one left in people's mouths. I watched the second one a month or so ago and I think it still holds up quite well. One of the most enjoyable movies.

I just read that the new one will be "gritty and contemporary". I'm all for that but Spider-Man is more lighthearted than Batman and such so I hope it doesn't go too overboard on the darkness.

fake empire
01/12/10, 08:41 AM
I honestly think some of the backlash toward the first two films stems from the completely terrible taste the third one left in people's mouths. I watched the second one a month or so ago and I think it still holds up quite well. One of the most enjoyable movies.
Me too. You never heard anyone talking shit about the first two until after the third one came out.

fake empire
01/12/10, 08:43 AM
I want a Drag Me To Hell sequel.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 08:46 AM
I honestly think some of the backlash toward the first two films stems from the completely terrible taste the third one left in people's mouths. I watched the second one a month or so ago and I think it still holds up quite well. One of the most enjoyable movies.
I'm not sure that's true. I think that the backlash towards the first two is justified without even having to see the third one. I know for me, the chemistry/dialogue/acting in the first two failed to move me or keep me interested in either film.

sevinw0rds
01/12/10, 08:53 AM
I just went on a laughing fit at work over this and my coworkers questioned what I was up to.

Anyway, pretty much everything you said in the two paragraphs, I completely agree with. I think you and Dissident have pretty much nailed how I feel about the series with what you guys said.

Jim Sturgess is in interesting suggestion. However, still may be too old in my opinion.

Haha, happens to me all the time here.

If they're taking him back to high school, Jim is definitely too old for the role. I remember thinking he'd be cool for the musical cause the story was furthering what was already established in the films. I just can't think of any popular young actor that strikes me as a good fit, which is why going with a relative unknown once more sounds like a good idea.

I honestly think some of the backlash toward the first two films stems from the completely terrible taste the third one left in people's mouths. I watched the second one a month or so ago and I think it still holds up quite well. One of the most enjoyable movies.

I just read that the new one will be "gritty and contemporary". I'm all for that but Spider-Man is more lighthearted than Batman and such so I hope it doesn't go too overboard on the darkness.

I loved the first one upon its release, and still find it to be the closest to a Spider-Man adaptation featuring the characters I grew up loving. Even though I thought the second one was a step up visually, and it definitely raised the stakes between Harry and Peter, I couldn't help but feel that there wasn't enough joy in the narrative to bring me back for repeat viewings. It probably stems from the fact that Raimi is too heavy on the "this is my curse" aspect, rather than interspersing those moments where you know that being Spidey is also an escape for Peter. It's like you're supposed to feel sorry for him all the damn time, rather than discovering how he grows into this new life and begins to seriously get a kick out of it...without impromptu dancing and Jared Leto hair.

TheHoldSteady
01/12/10, 09:45 AM
This is disappointing to me.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 10:00 AM
I never cared for this series anyway (the 3rd one is easily one of the worst movies of the last decade). I hated the tone of the films, the execution of the villains and the drawn out plot development(s). Kirsten Dunst was a horrible casting choice and I was never really fond of Tobey Maguire either. So, with that being said, as dumb as a reboot is this soon, I'm looking forward to it.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 10:02 AM
Also, I can never forgive Sam Raimi for the bastardization of Venom.

morte
01/12/10, 10:04 AM
Also, I can never forgive Sam Raimi for the bastardization of Venom.This.

thisisadisaster
01/12/10, 10:04 AM
they just need to go with my spider-man 3 reboot idea.

spiderman 3 opens with harry as the gg flying in and like fucking killing mary jane hardcore. peter is like chris carabba depressed. he knows it was harry and hes all like that bastard! so he gets the symbiote suit and hes like fuck yeah gonna kill harry and hes all training and getting angry and shit. meanwhile hes getting into fights with eddie brock at work because eddie is hella jealous of peter's spidey n00dz. 2 and a half hours pass and spidey kills harry and then all the sudden he is like shit. i just killed my ex best friend that dated the girl i loved and then killed her. im spiderman i dont do that shit. so he feels all bad and stuff so he goes to the church to seek forgiveness. eddie sees him go by and hes like i gotta follow spidey so i can take pics of him undressing. spidey loses the suit, it falls on eddie, eddie is all like holy shit im just like spiderman but bad. then the movie is over.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 10:08 AM
I wouldn't be mad if they just made Spider-Man vs. Vennom vs. Carnage and had them fight for two hours. They can forego any dialogue, love story, plot, etc and just have mindless action/fight sequences for the entire thing.

kemichels
01/12/10, 10:14 AM
Series needs more Carnage.

Full Effect Ed
01/12/10, 10:21 AM
Also, I can never forgive Sam Raimi for the bastardization of Venom.

Thank Sony for that...Raimi didn't even want Venom in it, hence the minimal screen time he was given

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 10:30 AM
They need to reboot Iron Man.

thisisadisaster
01/12/10, 10:30 AM
They need to reboot Iron Man.

reboot watchmen.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 10:33 AM
They need to reboot Iron Man.
Really? That's my favorite out of the comic movies.

thisisadisaster
01/12/10, 10:36 AM
http://www.movieline.com/2010/01/who-should-replace-tobey-maguire-in-the-rebooted-spider-man.php?page=1

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 10:37 AM
Yeah, but we all know we are going to be disappointed with War Machine and Tony Stark is going to be portrayed incorrectly in later films. Why keep it going? Let's see why he became the well renowned man he is and make the Mandarin the villain like he should have been.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 10:40 AM
Zac Efron as Spider-Man is no worse than Arnold as Mr. Freeze.

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/12/10, 10:40 AM
http://www.movieline.com/2010/01/who-should-replace-tobey-maguire-in-the-rebooted-spider-man.php?page=1
Please no to Zac Efron and Michael Cera. They do not a good Peter Parker make. The only one in that list who, I think, could even get the look down is Johnny Simmons.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 10:43 AM
Yeah, but we all know we are going to be disappointed with War Machine and Tony Stark is going to be portrayed incorrectly in later films. Why keep it going? Let's see why he became the well renowned man he is and make the Mandarin the villain like he should have been.
I will agree with this, but I'm trying to stay positive because I really really loved the first one.

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/12/10, 10:45 AM
I wonder if they'll have Gwen Stacy as Peter's first love this time rather than fucking up the character like they did in Spider-Man 3.

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 10:45 AM
I will agree with this, but I'm trying to stay positive because I really really loved the first one.

Hahaha... I tried laying down the sarcasm. I have faith in the series. Thor is the only one I am really looking forward to though.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 10:50 AM
I wonder if they'll have Gwen Stacy as Peter's first love this time rather than fucking up the character like they did in Spider-Man 3.
My thoughts.

In Ultimate Spiderman, her story was so tragic.

Hahaha... I tried laying down the sarcasm. I have faith in the series. Thor is the only one I am really looking forward to though.
What'd you think of the casting for Thor? I feel like the guy is almost too pretty rather than muscular/wrestler looking.

thisisadisaster
01/12/10, 10:54 AM
Please no to Zac Efron and Michael Cera. They do not a good Peter Parker make. The only one in that list who, I think, could even get the look down is Johnny Simmons.

i know im going to be in the minority big time on this one, but i actually think efron could pull it off. its a stretch for sure, but i actually think if the project was in the right hands he could do the part justice.

cera would be an awful idea.

i would prefer though for an unknown actor to play peter.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 10:56 AM
i know im going to be in the minority big time on this one, but i actually think efron could pull it off. its a stretch for sure, but i actually think if the project was in the right hands he could do the part justice.

cera would be an awful idea.

i would prefer though for an unknown actor to play peter.
I think I'd prefer an unknown too.

It has to be a guy who can be awkward but can deliver funny/cheesy one-liners without it being stupid and he has to be a believable age.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 10:56 AM
What'd you think of the casting for Thor? I feel like the guy is almost too pretty rather than muscular/wrestler looking.
Did you see A Perfect Getaway?

He can do non-pretty too. And he's pretty ripped as well.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2z4d63r.jpg

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 10:58 AM
What'd you think of the casting for Thor? I feel like the guy is almost too pretty rather than muscular/wrestler looking.

Natalie Portman is the love of my life so I hardly care. ;-) I feel like Chris can pull it off. Thor is my favorite comic book character. As long as Asgard and NatPort look beautiful, I'll be happy.

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/12/10, 11:10 AM
My thoughts.

In Ultimate Spiderman, her story was so tragic.
If they properly did her story from either Ultimate or Amazing, then I'd be excited to watch her tragedy unfold. That's something the series needs. Uncle Ben is his inspiration, but Gwen Stacy is a shot in the arm.

i know im going to be in the minority big time on this one, but i actually think efron could pull it off. its a stretch for sure, but i actually think if the project was in the right hands he could do the part justice.

cera would be an awful idea.

i would prefer though for an unknown actor to play peter.
I actually do agree that Efron could probably pull it off in the right hands. I just really don't want him regardless because of his "fanbase" it would bring to the movie theaters with him. I don't want to sit in the movie theater with a bunch of High School Musical tweens.

Also, Stan Lee's thoughts (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/portals/news/?a=13698) on the reboot.

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 11:14 AM
Stan Lee can't spell enough? Hmmmm...

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 11:18 AM
It figures that they'd throw Efron's name into the mix because he has that high school image and probably the right hair. However, his acting skills are nothing short of mediocre/poor (among other things)

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 11:21 AM
Nick Jonas is all I will say.

fake empire
01/12/10, 11:23 AM
I never cared for this series anyway (the 3rd one is easily one of the worst movies of the last decade). I hated the tone of the films, the execution of the villains and the drawn out plot development(s). Kirsten Dunst was a horrible casting choice and I was never really fond of Tobey Maguire either. So, with that being said, as dumb as a reboot is this soon, I'm looking forward to it.
This is such an exaggeration. It's not even one of the worst comic book movies of the last decade, honestly.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 11:25 AM
This is such an exaggeration. It's not even one of the worst comic book movies of the last decade, honestly.
It's not an exaggeration in the least bit. In the realm of movies that are to be taken "seriously", this was atrocious. Obviously I'm not lumping this in with Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, etc.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 11:25 AM
What about considering Josh Zuckerman as Parker?

fake empire
01/12/10, 11:29 AM
It's not an exaggeration in the least bit. In the realm of movies that are to be taken "seriously", this was atrocious. Obviously I'm not lumping this in with Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, etc.
I'm not saying it's good, but there's tons of worse comic book movies. Not to mention all the movies outside of the comic genre...

fake empire
01/12/10, 11:30 AM
What about considering Josh Zuckerman as Parker?
Yea he'd probably be alright

SkyHeldUpByStar
01/12/10, 11:31 AM
What about considering Josh Zuckerman as Parker?
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI3MjcxNzE4Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTc wNzg1ODg4Mg@@._V1._SX300_SY451_.jpg

I could see that.

I am Mick
01/12/10, 11:34 AM
I feel like it's way too early to reboot this shit

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 11:34 AM
It's not an exaggeration in the least bit. In the realm of movies that are to be taken "seriously", this was atrocious. Obviously I'm not lumping this in with Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, etc.

Raimi wasn't looking for anyone to take it seriously.

fake empire
01/12/10, 11:35 AM
I feel like it's way too early to reboot this shit
Yep.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 11:36 AM
Raimi wasn't looking for anyone to take it seriously.
Hence my quotations. It definitely wasn't meant to be viewed as slapstick or something like Wild Hogs and Old Dogs.

fake empire
01/12/10, 11:37 AM
Hence my quotations. It definitely wasn't meant to be viewed as slapstick or something like Wild Hogs and Old Dogs.
Well there were certainly a number of scenes that were intended to be straight up comedy.

BottleRocket
01/12/10, 11:45 AM
I'd like to see Joseph Gordon Levitt as Spider-Man, but I'd also like to see the new series stay more grounded in high school and explore that part of Peter's life, which means Levitt would be too old.

Miss Heartcore
01/12/10, 11:48 AM
JGL would have been a decent choice to look into if he was younger.

WakingTheMisery
01/12/10, 11:49 AM
Hence my quotations. It definitely wasn't meant to be viewed as slapstick or something like Wild Hogs and Old Dogs.

Have you ever seen another Raimi movie? He was clearly just using his old style. I'm not even sure why you would mention either of the films you did. Old Dogs was the biggest bomb of the year.

Recovery Room
01/12/10, 11:56 AM
Have you ever seen another Raimi movie? He was clearly just using his old style. I'm not even sure why you would mention either of the films you did. Old Dogs was the biggest bomb of the year.It's pretty obvious I wasn't mentioning Old Dogs in order to compare the monetary value of the two.

The point was that Raimi's vision wasn't setting out for something over-the-top ridiculous or straight-up retarded. Yes, his films had a cheese factor and humor mixed in, but his overall aim wasn't something of that like the crap examples I used.

sevinw0rds
01/12/10, 12:02 PM
Logan Lerman actually showed some great promise in 3:10 To Yuma. He's a bit young, but it depends on the approach they're going for as well. If it's more along the lines of the Ultimate series, he'd be great for the role.

mht
01/12/10, 12:06 PM
Logan Lerman actually showed some great promise in 3:10 To Yuma. He's a bit young, but it depends on the approach they're going for as well. If it's more along the lines of the Ultimate series, he'd be great for the role.


you or I could have shown great promise in 3:10 to Yuma getting to work with Bale and Crowe. He had his work cut out for him.

sevinw0rds
01/12/10, 12:20 PM
you or I could have shown great promise in 3:10 to Yuma getting to work with Bale and Crowe. He had his work cut out for him.

True, but Ben Foster stole that film in my eyes. It's just that prior to 3:10, Logan had been in crap and that was the first time he had to hold his own next to dudes who kill it.

Either way, the primary requirement for something like this is charisma. Iron Man wouldn't be half the movie it was without RDJ, and that's the essential element that the Spider-Man trilogy was missing...a lead actor you find yourself missing whenever he's not on-screen.

B00sh
01/12/10, 12:27 PM
I hope they have Spidey use web cartridges this time around, that'd be great.

fake empire
01/12/10, 12:33 PM
It's pretty obvious I wasn't mentioning Old Dogs in order to compare the monetary value of the two.

The point was that Raimi's vision wasn't setting out for something over-the-top ridiculous or straight-up retarded. Yes, his films had a cheese factor and humor mixed in, but his overall aim wasn't something of that like the crap examples I used.
He definitely was, at least in some scenes.

mht
01/12/10, 12:36 PM
just play it safe and use Ryan Reynolds like every other superhero film does when they are in a pinch


Ryan Renyolds as Deadpool
Ryan Renyolds as jackass guy in Blade
Ryan Renyolds as The Green Lantern
Ryan Renyolds as Spider Man

has a nice ring to it

kwsqd
01/12/10, 12:38 PM
at least the girls will love it

mht
01/12/10, 12:40 PM
Ryan Renyolds as every Avenger

B00sh
01/12/10, 01:04 PM
Fuck Ryan Reynolds

xScrewed@Birthx
01/12/10, 01:09 PM
Hopefully this new rebooted SPIDER-MAN movie franchise will contain the following 4 things.

1. mechanical webshooters

2. Spidey constantly cracking lots of jokes while he is fighting the bad guys.

3. Spidey keeping his mask on and not getting it torn off or taken off when he's fighting the bad guys.

4. Uncle Ben's killer living.

Hopefully this rebooted movie franchise will NOT include the following 3 things.

1. Spidey unmasking every 5 minutes.

2. Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer.

3. organic webshooters

You love that mask huh!

drudo182
01/12/10, 01:17 PM
I'd like mechanical webshooters myself.

Cheshire_Buddha
01/12/10, 01:21 PM
JGL would have been a decent choice to look into if he was younger.

My dream cast would consist of Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Mary Elizabeth Winstead, but you're right.

Bryant
01/12/10, 01:32 PM
I'd like mechanical webshooters myself.Agreed.

Also, I'm all for this.

Loved the 1st 2, think the 3rd one really made this happen.

fake empire
01/12/10, 01:39 PM
My dream cast would consist of Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Mary Elizabeth Winstead, but you're right.
Me too man, I posted that earlier in the thread haha.

TinMan20
01/12/10, 01:42 PM
Just stumbled across this....says New Spiderman is already written?

http://www.collider.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot-already-written-film-to-be-gritty-contemporary/

Gritty sounds good....still think its entirly too early to reboot the franchise

fake empire
01/12/10, 01:44 PM
Pretty sneaky of Sony to already have a backup script written

drudo182
01/12/10, 01:46 PM
The article says Vanderbilt wrote it awhile ago and the plan was to do a 4th film, then kind of reboot it so that's why it's done like that. Again, just from what I read yesterday.

fake empire
01/12/10, 01:50 PM
Ohh well I'm having a hard time getting excited about a reboot.

Adrian Villagomez
01/12/10, 08:26 PM
Hell yes. Re-do!

Carpathia
01/12/10, 08:28 PM
Hell yes. Re-do!

With Brian Michael Bendis Input and 3D!

Adrian Villagomez
01/12/10, 08:32 PM
No 3D for me, thanks.