NFL Divisional Playoffs [Archive]

foofiter02

01/12/10, 01:54 PM

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 01:57 PM

Patriots were 8-0 at home and then......

foofiter02

01/12/10, 02:03 PM

Patriots were 8-0 at home and then......

They also lost arguably their best player. The Vikings had a week to rest up injured players (Mckinnie and Loadholt especially), don't have to travel, and Brett Favre is playing the smartest football of his career. I see it being a close game (and relatively low scoring) with the Vikings on top.

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 02:05 PM

Wes Welker is not the Pats best player. Vital player but not their best.

mht

01/12/10, 02:08 PM

i would love it if Favre threw like 4 or 5 picks this game, people would hop right off that train.

foofiter02

01/12/10, 02:14 PM

Still, they lost a huge offensive weapon where the Vikings have all theirs intact. The threat of Peterson running means you have to stack the line, leaving less guys to cover Rice, Harvin, Berrian, Shaincoe, Taylor... you get my point. The Vikings have no excuses if they lose with that kind of firepower. The defense is equally as stacked. There's a reason this team has 10 pro bowlers on it (Harvin and Shiancoe have since been added).

LastPlaceRocks

01/12/10, 02:16 PM

i would love it if Favre threw like 4 or 5 picks this game, people would hop right off that train.
No, they will always be on the "please god let the Vikings win a Super Bowl sometime during my lifetime and fire Brad Childress" train.

foofiter02

01/12/10, 02:17 PM

i would love it if Favre threw like 4 or 5 picks this game, people would hop right off that train.

I don't care who's playing QB for the Vikings as long as they win the Superbowl. I've been a fan since 1991, so while it pains me to see bandwagon Favre fans or have people assume I've only bled purple and gold this year, I'll gladly take it all if they bring home the Lombardi trophy.

mht

01/12/10, 02:19 PM

well if guys like big Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer are still playing above their caliber football, that offense of the Vikings won't have it easy.

I know the Cowboy's secondary does not get that many interceptions, but they are a decent coverage team. I think the Vikings offense will have to earn it harder than some of you think.

foofiter02

01/12/10, 02:22 PM

They'll have to earn it for sure. I'm just saying that they have the pieces to make that happen. With the way the Cowboys have been playing, the Vikings will need to be firing on all cylinders to pull out a win. I think they will.

11:11

01/12/10, 02:24 PM

Vikings over Cowboys
Saints over Cardinals
Chargers over Jets
Ravens over Colts

That last one might be wishful thinking though.

shibbee

01/12/10, 02:57 PM

Cowboys
Saints
Jets
Colts

FueledByFrodo

01/12/10, 03:00 PM

Cowboys
Saints
Chargers
Ravens

DejaNew

01/12/10, 03:24 PM

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 03:28 PM

so you're trying to say that marion barber and felix jones are better than ap? get the fuck out of here.

foofiter02

01/12/10, 03:35 PM

so you're trying to say that marion barber and felix jones are better than ap? get the fuck out of here.

Now we're on the same side!

foofiter02

01/12/10, 03:42 PM

Cowboys over Vikings- They're on a roll. Tony Romo is playing his best football, the defense has been incredible and they're the hottest team right now. Sure, the Vikings have good players at most key positions, but the Cowboys do too. If you compare all positions I'd say that the Cowboys beat the Vikings in every position except the defensive line as a whole. I've got a feeling that Adrian Peterson will go back to dropping the ball and Favre will have an off-game.

Peterson is running the ball with more care since that costly fumble against the Bears. You better believe that protecting it will be his #1 priority when he gets his carries. As for Favre, remember that December swoon that was supposed to happen? Remember how was going to play like he was 40? No matter how Diva-like his antics are off the field are, he plays with more heart than 99% of the NFL. He came back to win a Super Bowl. Now he's got the team that gives him his chance.

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 03:46 PM

plus i'd also say that favre > romo. this kid is delusional

golferpunk1

01/12/10, 04:18 PM

I'm here to defend the Vikings all day. NFL pundits think Minnesota has no chance to win next weekend even though:

#1: They are 8-0 at home this year (Dallas is only 5-3 on the road).
#2: An extra week of rest will do wonders to heal up their ailing offensive line.
#3: Adrian Peterson.

Do you really trust Tony Romo and Wade Phillips to get Dallas out of the second round? Really? They're not playing in Jerry Jones' billion dollar playground this week...

Yeah, I'll take the cowboys whose defense completely shut down two of the highest scoring offenses in the nfl. And who is the brains behind that amazing D you might ask...Wade Phillips. Not to mention Tony Romo is playing the best football of his career right now. It'll take one good hit from Ware to knock Favre in to retirement.

golferpunk1

01/12/10, 04:20 PM

so you're trying to say that marion barber and felix jones are better than ap? get the fuck out of here.

Maybe you should get out of here and go look at the stats. They don't lie. You can't be a great running back w/out a O-Line to block for you and it's pretty obvious Dallas wins there.

xbrokendownx

01/12/10, 04:23 PM

look at what stats? AP has better stats than all the Dallas RBs...

Chris M.

01/12/10, 04:23 PM

Miles Austin is gonna poop all over Winfield - Cowboys win.

preppyak

01/12/10, 04:39 PM

look at what stats? AP has better stats than all the Dallas RBs...
Seriously...he has more rushing TD"s than the Cowboys entire team...and you have to combo Felix Jones and Marion Barber to equal AP's carries and yards

newfoundmichael

01/12/10, 05:11 PM

I just hope the winner of the NFC comes from the Arizona vs. Saints game. I despise the other two.

newfoundmichael

01/12/10, 05:13 PM

I'm here to defend the Vikings all day. NFL pundits think Minnesota has no chance to win next weekend even though:

#1: They are 8-0 at home this year (Dallas is only 5-3 on the road).
#2: An extra week of rest will do wonders to heal up their ailing offensive line.
#3: Adrian Peterson.

Do you really trust Tony Romo and Wade Phillips to get Dallas out of the second round? Really? They're not playing in Jerry Jones' billion dollar playground this week...

Adrian Peterson is the most overrated player in football. The fact that you used him as your final "point" as to why the Vikings will win proves that. I hope he does what he does best and fumbles all over the field.

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 05:19 PM

Adrian Peterson is the most overrated player in football. The fact that you used him as your final "point" as to why the Vikings will win proves that. I hope he does what he does best and fumbles all over the field.

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xbrokendownx

01/12/10, 05:27 PM

question- have you ever watched Peterson play?

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 05:36 PM

he's a packers fan floyd. would you expect any less?

THE_SICKEST

01/12/10, 05:39 PM

Patriots were 8-0 at home and then......

And then they had a terrible defense that did nothing against the run. Vikings are much better at keeping running backs in check only allowing one rusher over 100 yards all season.

xbrokendownx

01/12/10, 05:44 PM

my thoughts on the games:

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THE_SICKEST

01/12/10, 05:45 PM

Yeah, I'll take the cowboys whose defense completely shut down two of the highest scoring offenses in the nfl. And who is the brains behind that amazing D you might ask...Wade Phillips. Not to mention Tony Romo is playing the best football of his career right now. It'll take one good hit from Ware to knock Favre in to retirement.
They shut down the eagles who are one dimensional. The Vikings are extremely balanced and won't have Favre dropping back every three downs. And is Favre not playing the best football of his career? Just sayin... This will not be Cowboys beating the Eagles repeat. It'll be a good game.

THE_SICKEST

01/12/10, 05:49 PM

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My thoughts exactly.

TinMan20

01/12/10, 05:57 PM

Cardinals @ Saints
Offense vs. Offense. I would like to see Warner square off with Favre, but ultimatley, I think the Saints, even though playing poorly as of late, will win. Brees must be salivating after watching the Cards defense last week vs. the Pack.
Ravens @ Colts
Defense vs Manning. Im sorry, but Peyton is in a league of his own. Can go 99 yds in under two mins, on the final drive, and not break a sweat. Colts in a close one.
Cowboys @ Vikings
Tough. Cowboys are playing great football, and Romo is looking like he still is the future QB for the Cowboys. But the Vikings have it all. Pass, Run, Defense and Special Teams. Brett Favre belongs in Disneyland, hes got magic in him. Ima go Vikings
Jets @ Chargers
Chargers. Revis can only shut down one guy. The Jets D is good, but, nobodys been able to stop Rivers and co. Chargers big.

DejaNew

01/12/10, 06:26 PM

plus i'd also say that favre > romo. this kid is delusional
I wasn't aware that I was a kid. Brett Favre started becoming more inconsistent towards the end of the season. Tony Romo, however, has been on a roll as of late. Kid.

justinmfi

01/12/10, 06:27 PM

Cardinals over Saints
Ravens over Colts
Vikings Over Cowboys
Jets Over Chargers

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 06:29 PM

I wasn't aware that I was a kid. Brett Favre started becoming more inconsistent towards the end of the season. Tony Romo, however, has been on a roll as of late. Kid.

yeah 6 tds 0 ints and 637 yards of passing in the last 2 games is really slowing down

care to explain how dallas is better off at rb than the vikings while we're at it?

DejaNew

01/12/10, 06:30 PM

so you're trying to say that marion barber and felix jones are better than ap? get the fuck out of here.
Yes. And don't forget Tashard Choice.

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 06:31 PM

Yes. And don't forget Tashard Choice.

yeah because tashard choice is the x-factor in determining who is better at the rb position

DejaNew

01/12/10, 06:34 PM

yeah because tashard choice is the x-factor in determining who is better at the rb position
They've got 3 solid running-backs. Minnesota has one.

guccimaneburrrr

01/12/10, 06:36 PM

They've got 3 solid running-backs. Minnesota has one.

just because 3 is more than 1 does not make your reasoning correct. quality not quanity.

DejaNew

01/12/10, 06:48 PM

just because 3 is more than 1 does not make your reasoning correct. quality not quanity.
It will be a good match-up, that's for sure. I think Dallas will win because they have alot of weapons and a lot of great players at key positions. Running game could be anybody's, depends which team is on their game, because we both know that both Dallas and Minnesota can have good and bad games running. Passing, I'm going to have to go with Dallas, with Romo being on a hot-streak right now and having 3 major threats. Minnesota has Favre, who's been pretty solid, but not as good as he was at the start of the season and has one major threat and two other decent players to get the ball to. Defensively, both teams have been doing great against the run, but struggling with defending from the pass. Overall, I think Dallas has it. Oh, and next time you want to have an argument with somebody, try being a little more constructive, because when you call me a "kid" and you tell me to "get the fuck outta here" you look like an idiot and it's hard to take you seriously.

golferpunk1

01/12/10, 06:52 PM

They shut down the eagles who are one dimensional. The Vikings are extremely balanced and won't have Favre dropping back every three downs. And is Favre not playing the best football of his career? Just sayin... This will not be Cowboys beating the Eagles repeat. It'll be a good game.

I agree with you. It will be an awesome game. I'm stoked.

preppyak

01/12/10, 07:17 PM

They've got 3 solid running-backs. Minnesota has one.
1/3 of which has a swollen bursa sac and only carried 3 times in the last game because of it...and that happens to be the most productive 1/3rd at that

preppyak

01/12/10, 07:23 PM

Oh, and next time you want to have an argument with somebody, try being a little more constructive, because when you call me a "kid" and you tell me to "get the fuck outta here" you look like an idiot and it's hard to take you seriously.
He says backing off every major point he stated in his original post that got called out.

It went from "Favre is gonna choke, AP fumbles, Cowboys are better at basically every position" to "They are pretty equal teams, but the Cowboys have been better lately, so I seem them winning"

But its hard to take Ryan seriously....X-)

preppyak

01/12/10, 07:28 PM

QB1 - 68/98 (70%) 864yds 6TD 1INT

QB2 - 71/106 (66%) 909yds 4TD 2INT

I'll let you guess who those two QB's are...and which finished the season "strongest" over the last 3 games

foofiter02

01/12/10, 07:31 PM

Also, Minnesota doesn't just have one running back. Chester Taylor anyone? Dude could still be a starter on most NFL teams and is crucial to the Viking's third down plays. Running or catching, this guy is a total player.

TEAMRAMROD

01/12/10, 08:01 PM

Cowboys RBs better than AP? Seriously?

pand75

01/12/10, 08:31 PM

Go Ravens.

SwiftSilentDead

01/12/10, 08:35 PM

What I want to happen:
Ravens over Colts
Cardinals over Saints
Chargers over Jets
Vikings over Cowboys

sleepyseanzzz

01/12/10, 08:53 PM

lol @ whoever thinks the pats would have won if they had welker. his replacement scored the only 2 touchdowns, you would have to erase those and im pretty sure with the way the pats played that day, welker would not have scored 34 points

also looks like i was right last week when i said the bengals couldnt recover in 6 days from their spanking they got in the meadowlands, whether they laid down or not, there was no way that after being shut down in week 17 carson palmer and chad ochocinco would play well less than a week later against the same team.

i got colts winning (cmon, no one beat them all year, at least give them one playoff win)
chargers over jets (jets have one more miserable loss in them before the season ends)
nfc i honestly have no clue, depends what team shows up, based on the cardinals defense against green bay, drew brees might have a field day. ill just say vikings because i hate the cowboys

LastPlaceRocks

01/12/10, 08:55 PM

They've got 3 solid running-backs. Minnesota has one.
Good to know that Choice is more solid of a RB than Chester Taylor, a guy who has ran for 1200 yards before AD.

DejaNew

01/12/10, 10:54 PM

He says backing off every major point he stated in his original post that got called out.

It went from "Favre is gonna choke, AP fumbles, Cowboys are better at basically every position" to "They are pretty equal teams, but the Cowboys have been better lately, so I seem them winning"

But its hard to take Ryan seriously....X-)
Sorry, I must have missed where I backed off from my original points. Hmmm...... I still think Favre will not do as well as Romo, and he won't have a very consistent game against the Cowboys defense, and an Adrian Peterson fumble seems likely to me. And yes, they're both really good teams and I do see the Cowboys winning.

DejaNew

01/12/10, 11:00 PM

Good to know that Choice is more solid of a RB than Chester Taylor, a guy who has ran for 1200 yards before AD.
Where did I say that Choice was a better runningback than Taylor? Felix Jones is though. I don't think Taylor has much of an impact in the Minnesota offense anymore. He used to, but he hasn't done anything special this year. I think Choice adds dynamic to the Cowboys offense. He may not have big stats, but he's definitely an asset to the team.

mht

01/12/10, 11:02 PM

was their always this many Jets fans around here? lol

LastPlaceRocks

01/12/10, 11:08 PM

Where did I say that Choice was a better runningback than Taylor? Felix Jones is though. I don't think Taylor has much of an impact in the Minnesota offense anymore. He used to, but he hasn't done anything special this year. I think Choice adds dynamic to the Cowboys offense. He may not have big stats, but he's definitely an asset to the team.
Umm, when you said Dallas has 3 solid RBs while Minnesota has 1?

DejaNew

01/12/10, 11:09 PM

Umm, when you said Dallas has 3 solid RBs while Minnesota has 1?
Did I ever compare Choice to Taylor?

Edit: Never mind. You're right. Okay Minnesota has 2 solid runningbacks, one just greatly overshadows the other.

Killadelphia

01/13/10, 05:02 AM

I do not care about what happens this weekend as long as every single player on the Dallas Cowboys breaks their fibulas, tears their mcls, and gets brain damage. We need more Cowboys announcers on the air!

4N6 science

01/13/10, 06:02 AM

Cardinals will beat the saints
Colts over the Ravens
Jets over the Chargers (AFC championship will be a game like super bowl 3)
Cowboys over vikings - the vikings offense cannot account for spencer, ware, ratliff, brooking. you can only double team so many guys and then you leave a few key one-on-one matchups that the vikings O-line will not be able to handle. Bret will be looking up at the lights all game long.

newfoundmichael

01/13/10, 06:25 AM

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don't hate because i'm right. the guy is a beast, but he also leads the league in fumbles every year.

xbrokendownx

01/13/10, 06:32 AM

he also leads the league in TDs and/or rushing yards every year, but you know, thats not important

guccimaneburrrr

01/13/10, 09:35 AM

don't hate because i'm right. the guy is a beast, but he also leads the league in fumbles every year.

okay

so the guy fumbles more than he should

does that make him the most overrated player in the league?

bard

01/13/10, 09:37 AM

Saints over Cardinals
Colts over Ravens
Cowboys over Vikings
Chargers over Jets

drawndead

01/13/10, 10:29 AM

Zeran

01/13/10, 01:47 PM

i don't see dallas getting the win here...

guccimaneburrrr

01/13/10, 02:20 PM

a ravens vs. jets matchup might be the worst thing for the nfl

newfoundmichael

01/14/10, 02:30 AM

okay

so the guy fumbles more than he should

does that make him the most overrated player in the league?

that's only one of the many reasons he's the most overrated player in the game.

on an hourly basis i hear people jump on his dick about how he's the best player in football. on what level? sure, he can break a big rush at any time, but so can Chris Johnson without the fumbles. as a halfback, your number one job is to protect the ball. AP almost entirely on his own lost the game in Chicago late in the season with a careless fumble, and a team that turns the ball over doesn't win championships.

xbrokendownx

01/14/10, 06:19 AM

ok, so chris johnson is better than him

you named 1 guy

and saying AP lost the chicago game on his own is just pure comedy. yea, it wasnt the D getting torched by Cutler or anything

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 08:45 AM

that's only one of the many reasons he's the most overrated player in the game.

on an hourly basis i hear people jump on his dick about how he's the best player in football. on what level? sure, he can break a big rush at any time, but so can Chris Johnson without the fumbles. as a halfback, your number one job is to protect the ball. AP almost entirely on his own lost the game in Chicago late in the season with a careless fumble, and a team that turns the ball over doesn't win championships.

the dude ran for almost 100 yards with 2 tds in the game and you think he lost the game almost entirely on his own? it wasn't the 4 passing touchdowns that jay cutler shreaded the defense for that lost them the game?

and give the many reasons besides fumbling that makes him the most overrated player in the game

kshtoinks12

01/14/10, 09:49 AM

a ravens vs. jets matchup might be the worst thing for the nfl
Would be great for the Jets though.

LastPlaceRocks

01/14/10, 10:13 AM

ok, so chris johnson is better than him

you named 1 guy

and saying AP lost the chicago game on his own is just pure comedy. yea, it wasnt the D getting torched by Cutler or anything
It was because the team didn't show up in the first half and I'm a jinx.

newfoundmichael

01/14/10, 01:33 PM

the dude ran for almost 100 yards with 2 tds in the game and you think he lost the game almost entirely on his own? it wasn't the 4 passing touchdowns that jay cutler shreaded the defense for that lost them the game?

and give the many reasons besides fumbling that makes him the most overrated player in the game

Chester Taylor could have had a similar impact on that game given the opportunity. Peterson fumbled the ball that gave the Bears the game winning drive...football is the ultimate team sport, but he was the goat of that game, and I'm sure if you asked him he would take full responsibility for the loss. Halfbacks just don't matter as much in the NFL anymore as far as big name guys. Look at Philly, they lose Westbrook and McCoy comes in and does a better job than Westbrook has done in the last 3 years. The last 4 teams in the NFL to lose an All-Pro halfback from the year before to injury had a new back come in and rush for 100 yards in the next 3 games. The league is about quarterbacks, wide receivers, and defenses more than anything now. Not to say that having a great halfback isn't an advantage, but it doesn't mean as much as having a great one of these other things.

Other reasons he is overrated-- these reasons aren't his fault, but everyone and their dog talks about how godly he is and how he is bar none the best player in football. It just really gets old because I really don't think he is.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 01:40 PM

Chester Taylor could have had a similar impact on that game given the opportunity. Peterson fumbled the ball that gave the Bears the game winning drive...football is the ultimate team sport, but he was the goat of that game, and I'm sure if you asked him he would take full responsibility for the loss. Halfbacks just don't matter as much in the NFL anymore as far as big name guys. Look at Philly, they lose Westbrook and McCoy comes in and does a better job than Westbrook has done in the last 3 years. The last 4 teams in the NFL to lose an All-Pro halfback from the year before to injury had a new back come in and rush for 100 yards in the next 3 games. The league is about quarterbacks, wide receivers, and defenses more than anything now. Not to say that having a great halfback isn't an advantage, but it doesn't mean as much as having a great one of these other things.

Other reasons he is overrated-- these reasons aren't his fault, but everyone and their dog talks about how godly he is and how he is bar none the best player in football. It just really gets old because I really don't think he is.

so you gave me one reason and it isn't even his fault, great argument

2007: 2nd in rushing yards and 2nd in yards per carry
2008: 1st in rushing yards and 5th in yards per carry
2009: 1st in touchdowns and 5th in rushing yards

how is that anywhere close to being the most overrated player in the nfl?

xbrokendownx

01/14/10, 01:41 PM

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 01:44 PM

Mccoy in
2009: 4.1 yards per carry

Westbrook in
2007: 4.8 yards per carry
2008: 4.0 yards per carry
2009: 4.5 yards per carry

yup totally better than westbrook

preppyak

01/14/10, 01:47 PM

Mccoy does a better job than Westbrook? yea, thats why the Eagles made it to the NFC title game last year with Westbrook playing right? granted, a lot of it is on Reid and their D but still
Eh weak argument...you even said so yourself. There's a better one to be made though

At Westbrook's peak he averaged basically 5yds/carry and 10yds/catch....McCoy is at 4yd/carry and 7yd/catch...big difference there, and then you have to add in TD's, where he was scoring 3x as many as McCoy did this year. Westbrook was basically a guaranteed 2000yds between his carries and catches...and that was even with missing a game or two.

You definitely could argue that with time, McCoy will be as good as Westbrook was at his peak...but in terms of stepping in and being what Westbrook was at his peak, definitely not this year, though he was pretty good

LastPlaceRocks

01/14/10, 01:47 PM

Mccoy does a better job than Westbrook? yea, thats why the Eagles made it to the NFC title game last year with Westbrook playing right? granted, a lot of it is on Reid and their D but still

and oh, you dont think he is good, you've swayed me! im sure that has nothing to do with the fact that youre a packers fan
No it was Buckhalter, obviously.

CubbyNick42

01/14/10, 02:47 PM

a ravens vs. jets matchup might be the worst thing for the nfl
Ravens/Chargers would be much worse.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 02:49 PM

Ravens/Chargers would be much worse.

at least the chargers are fun to watch

preppyak

01/14/10, 03:23 PM

at least the chargers are fun to watch
Yeah...Jets-Ravens would be 60 minutes of boring defense and mediocre QB play

Lets hope it doesn't get to that

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 03:26 PM

if we are going to see similar teams in the afc championship game it should be colts/chargers.

great passing game and no running game + average-above average defense > boring defense and mediocre qb play

preppyak

01/14/10, 03:29 PM

great passing game and no running game + average-above average defense > boring defense and mediocre qb play
Especially when its played in a dome....last fucking thing I want is a snow game in NY between two boring teams...first team to 10 wins!

newfoundmichael

01/14/10, 05:22 PM

Mccoy does a better job than Westbrook? yea, thats why the Eagles made it to the NFC title game last year with Westbrook playing right? granted, a lot of it is on Reid and their D but still

and oh, you dont think he is good, you've swayed me! im sure that has nothing to do with the fact that youre a packers fan

this is an elementary argument.

when the fuck did I ever say he wasn't good? he's possibly the second best back in the game as far as talent goes. people just praise him and hype him and don't even comment on him being first or second in the league every season in fumbles. you are an idiot for not reading my argument, i guess.

newfoundmichael

01/14/10, 05:24 PM

Mccoy in
2009: 4.1 yards per carry

Westbrook in
2007: 4.8 yards per carry
2008: 4.0 yards per carry
2009: 4.5 yards per carry

yup totally better than westbrook

right on par with Westbrook then. he revived a team that was struggling and they got hot again when he got the starting job. my point with that fact was that this is not a running back oriented game. when you ask someone who the best player in the game is, they usually say AP. he simply isn't the best player, or even the most important. when I say he is very overrated, all I mean is that he doesn't deserve all the praise he gets.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 05:25 PM

pretty sure almost every analyst/commentator make mention of his fumbling problem.

also, everybody i talk to speak of how good AP could be if he stopped fumbling

the bottom line is that you're a packers fan and you're obviously going to have some bias regarding AP and/or any vikings player

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 05:26 PM

right on par with Westbrook then. he revived a team that was struggling and they got hot again when he got the starting job. my point with that fact was that this is not a running back oriented game. when you ask someone who the best player in the game is, they usually say AP. he simply isn't the best player, or even the most important. when I say he is very overrated, all I mean is that he doesn't deserve all the praise he gets.

that's fine but most overrated? big hyperbole on your part. he has one issue and that is fumbling. you can't even name another issue. so he can't be that overrated

newfoundmichael

01/14/10, 05:31 PM

that's fine but most overrated? big hyperbole on your part. he has one issue and that is fumbling. you can't even name another issue. so he can't be that overrated

a halfback with a fumbling issue? what other issues do you need? for someone to call him "the best halfback in the league" on a normal basis, but he leads the league in fumbles every season (or is at least in the top 2 or 3)? that's similar to saying "this halfback has only one problem, and that is holding onto the ball" that's his job.

jimjam32

01/14/10, 05:32 PM

so excited for saturday. it has been so long since i've been pumped for a meaninful colts game. i remember the last game i was excited about was during finals week. fucking jacksonville -- wow.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 05:35 PM

a halfback with a fumbling issue? what other issues do you need? for someone to call him "the best halfback in the league" on a normal basis, but he leads the league in fumbles every season (or is at least in the top 2 or 3)? that's similar to saying "this halfback has only one problem, and that is holding onto the ball" that's his job.

well you said there were many more reasons why he is overrated and i just want to hear what they are

that's only one of the many reasons he's the most overrated player in the game.

on an hourly basis i hear people jump on his dick about how he's the best player in football. on what level? sure, he can break a big rush at any time, but so can Chris Johnson without the fumbles. as a halfback, your number one job is to protect the ball. AP almost entirely on his own lost the game in Chicago late in the season with a careless fumble, and a team that turns the ball over doesn't win championships.

newfoundmichael

01/14/10, 05:51 PM

well you said there were many more reasons why he is overrated and i just want to hear what they are

i've already said...if you ask anybody who watches football who the most important players on their team are...the two consistent answers you will get are Peyton Manning (justifiably, in my opinion) and AP. i could name 10 guys off the top of my head that are more important to their team than him. If AP missed the entire season this year, the Vikings still would have made the playoffs with Chester Taylor at halfback. They may have lost a couple more games, but they'd be in for sure. People overvalue him. All I ever hear is how "big of a beast" he is, or, "best player in the league hands down." Maybe that is just around my area of America, but it seems to be a universal.

Other than that, I think he's a great player. Definitely a top 3 back in the league, but you just never see the same hype come from a guy like Chris Johnson or Steven Jackson who are just as good if not better.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 06:27 PM

thank you again for giving "many more reasons why he is the most overrated player in the league".

your reading comprehension is A+

yaz06

01/14/10, 06:42 PM

I think all the home teams are gonna win this weekend. After all, they have had a bye and are well rested. Personally, I don't believe that the Cards are gonna have a chance with the Saints. After a small slide the Saints are gonna be coming out firing, and I expect Brees to have at least 3 td passes. I also think Minnesota is gonna be able to handle the Cowboys too. Should be a good game but Favre will do well under pressure. For the AFC, Indy is gonna be all over the Ravens. Baltimore isn't gonna be able to run over the Colts D like they did the Pats last week. And to finish up, the Chargers are absolutely gonna hammer on the Jets. Chargers all the way to the Super Bowl baby!!

Killadelphia

01/14/10, 06:46 PM

There is way too much stupidity going on in both this and the NFL thread right now.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 06:49 PM

doubtful. that hasn't happened since 04-05.

in regards to him thinking all home teams will win

Killadelphia

01/14/10, 06:51 PM

doubtful. that hasn't happened since 04-05.

in regards to him thinking all home teams will win

Yeah I can definitely see one of the AFC road teams pulling off the upset or Dallas over Minnesota.

guccimaneburrrr

01/14/10, 06:52 PM

i can see Arizona over New Orleans too

i wouldn't be surprised if any road team won this weekend

0101

01/14/10, 07:00 PM

My mom surprised me today with two tickets to the Saints/Cardinals game this weekend. So stoked. All of our strongest players are back and ready to play. Will be a great game.

CubbyNick42

01/15/10, 07:52 AM

at least the chargers are fun to watch
Right, but you put it in terms of what's best for the NFL. It's silly to think that the league's dream scenario doesn't involve a NY team.

splitsecond

01/15/10, 08:14 AM

I wish the games would start already so I can stop over-analyzing everything.

splitsecond

01/15/10, 08:15 AM

My mom surprised me today with two tickets to the Saints/Cardinals game this weekend. So stoked. All of our strongest players are back and ready to play. Will be a great game.

I can send you a jersey if you want to root for the right team.

guccimaneburrrr

01/15/10, 10:37 AM

Saints re-sign Deuce McAllister for the playoffs.

They don't expect him to get any touches but are using him as insurance.

0101

01/15/10, 05:39 PM

Saints re-sign Deuce McAllister for the playoffs.

They don't expect him to get any touches but are using him as insurance.

He's not playing tomorrow. He's leading the team onto the field. However, if they go forward anything can happen at that point.

I can send you a jersey if you want to root for the right team.

No thank you, I am perfectly content rooting for my team win or lose! :)

YourNewestSam

01/15/10, 06:44 PM

Colts over Ravens, Chargers over Jets, Vikings over Cowgirls, Cardinals over Saints.

However going on the history of my picks for games; Ravens will win the SB :-p

owiseone35

01/16/10, 10:15 AM

These games should be good. Can't wait for the Ravens/Colts game have a feeling it'll be a good one.

xbrokendownx

01/16/10, 10:17 AM

all i care about this weekend is go chargers

IcedOpethBlind

01/16/10, 10:21 AM

Cardinals, Colts, Cowboys, Chargers

Throwback

01/16/10, 10:29 AM

Cardinals, Ravens, Cowboys, Chargers

I really think the Ravens are going to pull the upset on this one.

owiseone35

01/16/10, 10:35 AM

At the Beginning of the pre season I called a Saints-Ravens Superbowl. I'm looking pretty Nostradamus-like.

SwiftSilentDead

01/16/10, 11:08 AM

Let's go birds.

bard

01/16/10, 11:40 AM

both games are on CBS right?

Killadelphia

01/16/10, 11:41 AM

both games are on CBS right?

no.

bard

01/16/10, 11:44 AM

no.
http://www.nfl.com/schedules it says CBS, but my parents are saying fox.... wtf?

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 11:46 AM

He's not playing tomorrow. He's leading the team onto the field. However, if they go forward anything can happen at that point.

No thank you, I am perfectly content rooting for my team win or lose! :)

:) :) :)

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 11:47 AM

http://www.nfl.com/schedules it says CBS, but my parents are saying fox.... wtf?

Sat., Jan. 16, 4:30 p.m. ET, FOX
Arizona
New Orleans

Sat., Jan. 16, 8:15 p.m. ET, CBS
Baltimore
Indianapolis

copy pasted from your link

Killadelphia

01/16/10, 11:47 AM

http://www.nfl.com/schedules it says CBS, but my parents are saying fox.... wtf?

AFC is on CBS, NFC is on Fox.

drawndead

01/16/10, 12:01 PM

hopefully today doesn't disappoint!

beardedyodeler

01/16/10, 12:54 PM

Saints over Cardinals- This one is a close one though. You can never count out old man River..I mean Warner
Colts Over Ravens- I'm hoping this is Peyton's year to win another superbowl
Jets over Chargers. Philip Rivers is a whiny bitch. I hope Rex Ryan blitzes on every defensive play
Vikings over Cowboys- Brett Farve is Jesus in cleats AKA Touchdown Jesus. I'll take him over Tony Homo any day of the week

eman83

01/16/10, 12:56 PM

Lets go Ravens.

domotime2

01/16/10, 12:56 PM

Cards by 7
Chargers by 14
Vikings by 10
Colts by 4

owiseone35

01/16/10, 01:27 PM

wyLjbMBpGDA

jeremyfromva

01/16/10, 01:30 PM

Cards by 7
Chargers by 14
Vikings by 10
Colts by 4

FAIL

Cards
Chargers
Ravens
Cowboys

jimjam32

01/16/10, 01:34 PM

haha gotta love louis armstrong.

IcedOpethBlind

01/16/10, 01:35 PM

Go Cards!

jimjam32

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

yes!!! if you don't agree with my opinion... FAIL!!!!!! CoWbOyZ rool!1!111!!!!

IcedOpethBlind

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

Hightower, yes!

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

lol good start Saints

jimjam32

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

Go Cards!
tim hightower > reggie bush? haha

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

Cardinals, Ravens, Cowboys, Chargers

I really think the Ravens are going to pull the upset on this one.

I certainly hope so.

Wow thats was wild

Talib Scottie

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

Sweet.

SwiftSilentDead

01/16/10, 01:36 PM

Atta boy, Hightower.

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 01:37 PM

well well well.

chcougar1

01/16/10, 01:38 PM

lol wow

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 01:38 PM

The Saints' D is gonna get smoked all day. We'll see if the Offense can respond.

Talib Scottie

01/16/10, 01:38 PM

Cardinals, Ravens, Cowboys, Chargers

I'm with this guy.

preppyak

01/16/10, 01:38 PM

Ravens-Pats round 2?

drawndead

01/16/10, 01:41 PM

where was the saints D? lets see Brees back it up with a score

drawndead

01/16/10, 01:41 PM

shockey gave up on that play

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 01:42 PM

Ravens-Pats round 2?
God I hope so. I'm really nervous though. We played them tight in the Reg. season and should have won, but Manning is so dangerous. I've had trouble sleeping this week haha.

drawndead

01/16/10, 01:45 PM

hopefully it is another shootout in the big easy

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 01:45 PM

yep. this one's going to be a scorer's fest.

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 01:45 PM

Wow the defenses are complete jokes.

drawndead

01/16/10, 01:48 PM

i thought defenses won championships ha

drawndead

01/16/10, 01:51 PM

sharpers got mad hops

IcedOpethBlind

01/16/10, 01:51 PM

wow Urban what in the fuck

jeremyfromva

01/16/10, 01:51 PM

Damn.

drawndead

01/16/10, 01:54 PM

it's gonna be a long day on the defensive side of the ball

preppyak

01/16/10, 01:58 PM

wow...Brees just had like 6 seconds to throw that ball...thats game over for any defense

preppyak

01/16/10, 01:58 PM

haha, 8 minutes, 21 points....first to 100 wins

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 01:58 PM

Cards D is just bad right now. as simple as that.

bard

01/16/10, 02:01 PM

anyone think they'll top last weeks game of 51-45?

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:01 PM

shockey plays through injury for the saints and not the giants lol

bard

01/16/10, 02:02 PM

poor cards

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 02:02 PM

anyone think they'll top last weeks game of 51-45?

if the cardinals can stop fumbling the football, then possibly.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:02 PM

anyone think they'll top last weeks game of 51-45?

it might but i think the saints will break away at one point im gonna go with 45-31

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:03 PM

Beenie Wells, 2 hands on the ball dude

preppyak

01/16/10, 02:03 PM

shockey plays through injury for the saints and not the giants lol
http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php/i432_shockeyshocked.gif

mht

01/16/10, 02:03 PM

wow Arizona's defense is awful, Shockey walked that fucking route and still got open/caught it. Literally like a fast walk limp. That was sad.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:04 PM

http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php/i432_shockeyshocked.gif

ahahaha priceless

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:08 PM

last 11 series for the cards defense, 8 touchdowns

mht

01/16/10, 02:09 PM

lol this defense. Monty Biesel, of course he whiffs even the Chiefs cut his ass this year.

preppyak

01/16/10, 02:09 PM

the cards must think they are playing flag football...my god is their tackling awful

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:12 PM

cardinals are playing 2 hand touch

bard

01/16/10, 02:12 PM

reggie bush is some kind of a machine

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:13 PM

Yards after Contact for the Cards defense is through the roof

mht

01/16/10, 02:13 PM

Arizona wishes they had Clancy Pendergast back!!!

TEAMRAMROD

01/16/10, 02:13 PM

Reggie Bush is ridiculous.

mht

01/16/10, 02:14 PM

this games over already, this defense is getting shit on. So much for the potential feel good Warner to the Super Bowl story

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:14 PM

Arizona wishes they had Clancy Pendergast back!!!

or kim kardashians ass to throw some blocks

mht

01/16/10, 02:16 PM

lol DRC on a cart, this shit is definitely over.

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 02:17 PM

or kim kardashians ass to throw some blocks

it would at least send someone bouncing the other way

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:18 PM

Saints aren't going to be ready. Blah, blah, blah.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:25 PM

it would at least send someone bouncing the other way

could blitz the A gap

mht

01/16/10, 02:26 PM

who's contract is up for the Cardinals after they lose this game aka who are the Chiefs going to sign from this team in the offseason that I should be watching?

bard

01/16/10, 02:26 PM

haha

mht

01/16/10, 02:26 PM

holy fuck at that catch.

preppyak

01/16/10, 02:27 PM

bahahahahah @ that catch

edit: Ugh, that rule is awful

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:27 PM

Warner's pissed, I wouldn't rule out a rapid comeback

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 02:28 PM

too bad that catch was all for nought.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:28 PM

anthony becht! Jets let him go way too early

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 02:29 PM

could blitz the A gap

:clap: fantastic

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 02:30 PM

bahahahahah @ that catch

edit: Ugh, that rule is awful

He's a grown man. Such a bitch call.

preppyak

01/16/10, 02:30 PM

for a second I thought Sharper was gonna pull a Braylon and let that hit him off the head

jeremyfromva

01/16/10, 02:32 PM

Damn...I pick both of these QBs and get all rushing td's....WTF

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:35 PM

for a second I thought Sharper was gonna pull a Braylon and let that hit him off the head

i was gonna say that it, its sad when a safety has better receiving skills than a wide out'

mht

01/16/10, 02:39 PM

i'd pick on that dude that replaced DRC every single play. He looks awful and Meachem smoked him

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 02:39 PM

anthony becht! Jets let him go way too early
Jets couldn't have let him go soon enough.

SwiftSilentDead

01/16/10, 02:40 PM

who's contract is up for the Cardinals after they lose this game aka who are the Chiefs going to sign from this team in the offseason that I should be watching?

Steve Breaston and Karlos Dansby are the only ones that I can think of at the moment.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:40 PM

the ball caught colston

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:41 PM

holy shit.

SwiftSilentDead

01/16/10, 02:41 PM

Beautiful flea flicker.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:41 PM

Jets couldn't have let him go soon enough.

i know i thought he retired. cannot believe he was a 1st round pick

preppyak

01/16/10, 02:45 PM

the ball caught colston
haha, this

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:48 PM

Bahahahahahaha.

mht

01/16/10, 02:48 PM

NOW it's over. Warners done.

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:48 PM

Could we get a Matt Leinhart sighting?

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:48 PM

kurt, kurt ,kurt laidd out on that. lets hope its not serious. don't wanna see a good guy go out like that

SwiftSilentDead

01/16/10, 02:49 PM

Ballgame.

Dr. Acula

01/16/10, 02:49 PM

Wow. Warner just got smashed.

Talib Scottie

01/16/10, 02:49 PM

Blind sided the fuck out of Warner.

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:49 PM

Could we get a Matt Leinhart sighting?

they're better off using the ball boy

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 02:49 PM

That's the last you'll ever see of Kurt Warner on a football field.

mht

01/16/10, 02:49 PM

I really like Warner, Arizona will be awful without him once he retires.

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 02:52 PM

holy crap warner got his shit rocked.

owiseone35

01/16/10, 02:52 PM

I really like Warner, Arizona will be awful without him once he retires.

Ya I like Warner too, and the Cardinals with Leinart at QB will take a significant drop in overall ability.

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 02:52 PM

he looks fine actually.

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:53 PM

I really like Warner, Arizona will be awful without him once he retires.

Might still be able to contend in that division, unless Alex Smith finally pays off as a 1st round pick.

Talib Scottie

01/16/10, 02:53 PM

Warner is the only reason why I'm pulling for the Cards. Other than that I couldn't give a shit less who wins.

Dr. Acula

01/16/10, 02:54 PM

I want to hate Warner for being a bible thumping douche..(and his crazy wife) but I just can't hate a guy with his back story of getting into the league. Crazy stuff.

Flags of Dawn

01/16/10, 02:54 PM

I'd like to root for the Cards, but I just can't for the team that knocked my team out of the playoffs.

SeeTheLights

01/16/10, 02:54 PM

Big hit, but he will be back in the game.

kofiadrian

01/16/10, 02:55 PM

stupid play by Dockett.

mht

01/16/10, 02:55 PM

he looks fine actually.

he's going to the locker room fine my ass

drawndead

01/16/10, 02:56 PM

hey arizona ever hear of run defense?

owiseone35

01/16/10, 02:57 PM

Once Leinart steps on the field game over.

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:57 PM

I want to hate Warner for being a bible thumping douche..(and his crazy wife) but I just can't hate a guy with his back story of getting into the league. Crazy stuff.

Bible thumping douche outways the story for me. Wonder if he'll become an evangelical priest after football.

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 02:59 PM

I'll root for Leinart who is probably just finishing up getting a bj from a cheerleader in the tunnel over Warner who thinks that God worries about stuff like football.

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 03:01 PM

If god invented football, he did it to keep people like Ray Lewis off the streets.

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 03:01 PM

hey arizona ever hear of run defense?

or pass defense...

mht

01/16/10, 03:02 PM

well Arizona can always trade their first round pick to the Eagles for Kolb for next year right guys?

Dr. Acula

01/16/10, 03:02 PM

I'll root for Leinart who is probably just finishing up getting a bj from a cheerleader in the tunnel over Warner who thinks that God worries about stuff like football.

Hahah

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 03:02 PM

If god invented football, he did it to keep people like Ray Lewis off the streets.

And instead stabbing people at Super Bowl parties.

I kid, dude was acquitted.

LastPlaceRocks

01/16/10, 03:02 PM

If god invented football, he did it to keep people like Ray Lewis off the streets.
I think that was less God and more capitalism.

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 03:02 PM

If god invented football, he did it to keep people like Ray Lewis off the streets.

It's a good thing he didn't then. Ray is the man.

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 03:03 PM

lol acquitted =/= innocent.

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 03:03 PM

well Arizona can always trade their first round pick to the Eagles for Kolb for next year right guys?

Wonder if there's any chance the Vikings might make a move for him if Farve retires for good.

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 03:04 PM

lol acquitted =/= innocent.

True. But I gotta put some faith the system.

kshtoinks12

01/16/10, 03:05 PM

True. But I gotta put some faith the system.
There's a better chance Ray Ray was guilty than OJ in my opinion haha. Dude's a psycho.

mht

01/16/10, 03:06 PM

I'd like to think if that white clown never fumbled after that nice catch and run, that this game would be closer.

dpatrickguy

01/16/10, 03:07 PM

lol acquitted =/= innocent.

Yeah but no evidence other than him being there does. The witnesses testified that he tried to stop the fight. He may have been guilty, but no evidence was produced to prove anything otherwise.

LastPlaceRocks

01/16/10, 03:07 PM

Wonder if there's any chance the Vikings might make a move for him if Farve retires for good.
Doubt it given they traded for a QB last off-season - I could see them possibly drafting one though.

drawndead

01/16/10, 03:08 PM

neil rackers...baby

Until The Bombs

01/16/10, 03:09 PM

Doubt it given they traded for a QB last off-season - I could see them possibly drafting one though.

Well they traded for what's his face who was supposed to contend for the starting job but then signed Farve anyway. Don't think it would stop them for trading for Kolb if they are interested.

LastPlaceRocks

01/16/10, 03:12 PM

Well they traded for what's his face who was supposed to contend for the starting job but then signed Farve anyway. Don't think it would stop them for trading for Kolb if they are interested.
I know, but there's no real point to get another unproven guy to battle it out with Rosenfels (aka what's his face) and Jackson if Favre retires. Again, I could see them draft someone and bring them along and/or get another proven guy (although I don't know who), but there's no reason for Kolb.