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Gabe Gross
07/07/06, 12:59 AM
All Time Low – Put Up or Shut Up
Release Date: July 25, 2006
Record Label: Hopeless


Should I write myself out of the history books? belts out singer/guitarist Alex Gaskarth on All Time Low's Hopeless Records debut Put Up or Shut Up. Should you write your self out of the history books? Nah, but I am just about guaranteed that fans will write you off as another band faking it for recognition.

You can take this to your grave and bury it under the cork tree because All Time Low have replicated a successful pop-punk classic. While the best form of flattery is imitation, I believe music has lost the idea creativity and monopolized on the legalistic checkpoints just to become recognized in the music industry. Here at AbsolutePunk.net, the reviews have grown into intricate areas to build and critique bands. One thing that is not touched on much is originality. With an abundance of bands entering and exiting the scene just as fast, you are only recognized if you are doing something new or doing something well. Now I understand that there are a million bands around and several bands do imitate chords and hooks, but ATL's effort is an embarrassment. Maybe All Time Low caught me on a bad day because for someone that mills through dozens of bands a week, hearing All Time Low claim something like Put Up or Shut Up as their own is plagierism. With that said, All Time Low aren't creating a new pulse, in fact, they are rip-offs, fakes and unoriginal parasites feeding off the inventive talent of their predecessors. Please stop it.

With that also said, their music is so incredibly addictive, so much so that listening to it over and over again is rather enjoyable. And as a pop music enthusiast, this is so disheartening. Seeing a band with obvious talent, (their ability to craft songs at varying tempos and made-for-the-masses Gaskarth's voice handles well through twsiting transitions). But their ability to slack so noticably in creativity skews the rest of their performance and questions the integrity of their art. I need something to look forward to.

For fans and those who are familiar with ATL’s last record, The Party Scene, five of the seven songs on Put Up or Shut Up were roped in from the band’s Emerald Moon release. And this is a very comfortable album to warm up to. Those who live and breathe the pop-punk scene, you will no doubt eat up the bouncy vocal arrangements, vagrant guitars and matching percussions (especially anthems like "Break Out, Break Out" and "The Party Scene"). Are these talented musicians? Yes, but if you are going to waste precious time to match an art that has already proved celebrated then your art is dead. Although, producer Paul Leavitt did dressed up The Party Scene tracks and added two new songs "Coffee Shop Soundtrack" and "Jasey Rae," (which do show a step in the right direction as far as songwriting goes), yet I still stand stressing the repetitive hooks used by bands. You can't cover the smell of shit with perfume. The only saving grace on this album is that it has outstanding replayability but is short-lived in time.

Save some cash and instead make a mixtape with Fall Out Boy's "Grand Theft Autumn," "Saturday," "Calm Before the Storm," "Dead On Arrival" then The Starting Line's entire Say It Like You Mean It record.

Put up or shut up? Shut up.

Take Heart
07/07/06, 01:34 AM
Wow, brutal. I generally agree with Steve's reviews more than anyone elses, but i'm with you 100% on this.

Broken Parachute
07/07/06, 01:46 AM
I kinda like the album, but I know what you're talking about. Well written review, Gabe.

Steve Henderson
07/07/06, 02:44 AM
Disagree with your content. but you write with quite the bravado here. Way to be, Gabe.

Web250
07/07/06, 04:14 AM
Brootal review.

Ouch. I really like ATL, this record is just mainly a rehash of old material.

perrone
07/07/06, 05:31 AM
yeah gabe! tear this crap to shreds

splutton
07/07/06, 05:33 AM
woh ho ho vicious! absolutepunk harsh reviews are so rare. i always see reviews between 70-85% constantly.
personally i like the band.
like the review also.

Snails
07/07/06, 05:49 AM
Good review Gabe. Really harsh though, and I disagree 100%.

Garett Press
07/07/06, 06:10 AM
Yayy! Non-positivity! Haha, glad to see your critical side Gross.

Chico
07/07/06, 06:23 AM
Wow, you didn't pull any punches on this one Gabe.

Alex DiVincenzo
07/07/06, 06:27 AM
Nice to see some contrasting reviews.

|ant|
07/07/06, 07:06 AM
I actually enjoyed this somewhat. The review and the music. If you put the two reviews together and averaged them out, that is my fealing toward this EP. I'm loving that AP keeps putting up contrasting reviews. Thank you sir, may I have another.

TBSowns524
07/07/06, 07:15 AM
This is how i feel about the hit the lights record

van_morrison
07/07/06, 07:32 AM
this is an awesome review. all pop-punk reviews should be like this, since the genre died in 2000.

Tony Pascarella
07/07/06, 08:55 AM
Nice, Gabe. I agree 100%.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 09:12 AM
"Nah, but I am just about guaranteed that fans will write you off as another band faking it for recognition. "

That line bothers me so much because these guys have been doing this for a while. They have built a huge fan base in the Baltimore area and are able to sell out our biggest venue in Towson. Which is very big if you ask me -- www.rechertheatre.com. They aren't faking anything for recognition, they have plenty already.

When touring bands that aren't that big come through and All Time Low puts them on their bill at St. Johns in Phoenix it's pretty clear to everyone that the room will never be even CLOSE to half empty and that these guys are going somewhere.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 09:14 AM
Not to mention, these cats are only 17 years old. You will be eating this review one day Gabe.

Scott Weber
07/07/06, 09:24 AM
Not to mention, these cats are only 17 years old. You will be eating this review one day Gabe.
Just like I'm eating my Hit the Lights EP review? Or the Plain White T's review? Both were bad...Just because a band gets big later on doesn't mean I'm "eating" the review, nor will Gabe. Hell, HTL wrote a song about the review and I'm hardly "eating it," I think it's hilarious and awesome. If an EP sucks in the reviewers mind, then it sucks. What a stupid comment. You gotta let this stuff roll off of you when you disagree with something, Pat.

That being said.... I 100% agree with the review. Readers should check out both reviews, compare with their musical tastes and decide for their own. It's as simple as that. Don't get your panties in a bunch over one dude's opinion.

The Silencer
07/07/06, 09:44 AM
"Nah, but I am just about guaranteed that fans will write you off as another band faking it for recognition. "

That line bothers me so much because these guys have been doing this for a while. They have built a huge fan base in the Baltimore area and are able to sell out our biggest venue in Towson. Which is very big if you ask me -- www.rechertheatre.com. They aren't faking anything for recognition, they have plenty already.

When touring bands that aren't that big come through and All Time Low puts them on their bill at St. Johns in Phoenix it's pretty clear to everyone that the room will never be even CLOSE to half empty and that these guys are going somewhere.
Not to mention, these cats are only 17 years old. You will be eating this review one day Gabe.
I agree wholheartedly.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 10:03 AM
Just like I'm eating my Hit the Lights EP review? Or the Plain White T's review? Both were bad...Just because a band gets big later on doesn't mean I'm "eating" the review, nor will Gabe. Hell, HTL wrote a song about the review and I'm hardly "eating it," I think it's hilarious and awesome. If an EP sucks in the reviewers mind, then it sucks. What a stupid comment. You gotta let this stuff roll off of you when you disagree with something, Pat.

That being said.... I 100% agree with the review. Readers should check out both reviews, compare with their musical tastes and decide for their own. It's as simple as that. Don't get your panties in a bunch over one dude's opinion.
Scott, the personal jabs weren't needed in the review. Sorry, but Hit The Lights and Plain White T's aren't at any caliber where you would be eating your "words." Both bands don't sell that well by any means. Now, Cute Is What We Aim For is an example more aplicable.

Look! Everyone said they wouldn't do that well and they absolutely destroyed first week sells, even beating P!ATD first week numbers.

Katie Schmitz
07/07/06, 10:13 AM
All Time Low claim something like Put Up or Shut Up as their own is plagierism. With that said, All Time Low aren't creating a new pulse, in fact, they are rip-offs, fakes and unoriginal parasites feeding off the inventive talent of their predecessors

What the hell? They are not parasites ... and it's not plagarism. Jesus! I don't agree with this review at all.

shes.a.ghost
07/07/06, 10:14 AM
All Time Low is a really catchy band. But if Fall Out Boy never was a band, then I'm not sure they wouldnt be either... there is a difference between being influenced by a band and just completely ripping off a band. They have successfully ripped off Fall Out Boy. All of thier songs sound like demos for TTTYG that didnt make the record.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 10:15 AM
What the hell? They are not parasites ... and it's not plagarism. Jesus! I don't agree with this review at all.
The parasites thing is really inappropriate.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 10:15 AM
All Time Low is a really catchy band. But if Fall Out Boy never was a band, then I'm not sure they wouldnt be either... there is a difference between being influenced by a band and just completely ripping off a band. They have successfully ripped off Fall Out Boy. All of thier songs sound like demos for TTTYG that didnt make the record.
I'm just not hearing it. I'm trying to.

Scott Weber
07/07/06, 10:18 AM
Scott, the personal jabs weren't needed in the review. Sorry, but Hit The Lights and Plain White T's aren't at any caliber where you would be eating your "words." Both bands don't sell that well by any means. Now, Cute Is What We Aim For is an example more aplicable.

Look! Everyone said they wouldn't do that well and they absolutely destroyed first week sells, even beating P!ATD first week numbers.
Uh...Plain White T's has sold like 80,000 records and they recently signed to a major label, but ok...you're the expert... :huh:

Steve Henderson
07/07/06, 10:20 AM
Uh...Plain White T's has sold like 80,000 records and they recently signed to a major label, but ok...you're the expert... :huh:
All Time Low is about infinity times better than Plain White T's. And Hit the Lights.

Scott Weber
07/07/06, 10:23 AM
I'm just not hearing it. I'm trying to.
I think it sounds identical at times to early FOB. And when it's not that, it's exactly like another predecessor. I do think Gabe comes across as harsh at times but when he says parasite, (we talked about this) he means hanging onto the tails of other bands...not like a vile insect, per say. I dunno. It's just a review. And if you're personal buddies with the band, I can understand your overdefensiveness, but...regardless, there are good points made in the review.

Katie Schmitz
07/07/06, 10:23 AM
All Time Low is about infinity times better than Plain White T's. And Hit the Lights.
Yes!

Scott Weber
07/07/06, 10:23 AM
All Time Low is about infinity times better than Plain White T's. And Hit the Lights.
So not the point, but good contribution.

shes.a.ghost
07/07/06, 10:26 AM
All Time Low is about infinity times better than Plain White T's. And Hit the Lights.

I agree that Hit the Lights also have similarities to Fall Out Boy, but I dont think they are ripping them off. Hit the Lights live sound exactly like CD. His voice is perfect, not a single note off. It actually was hard to believe. Even their back up vocalists were perfect. They all harmonize extremely well together. Their live show is what made me a fan of them. They put on a hell of a show, and are nothing less that spot on with thier performance.

Steve Henderson
07/07/06, 10:31 AM
So not the point, but good contribution.
Haha, I was just playing around. But Plain White T's are just an awful, awful band.

Steve Henderson
07/07/06, 10:31 AM
I agree that Hit the Lights also have similarities to Fall Out Boy, but I dont think they are ripping them off. Hit the Lights live sound exactly like CD. His voice is perfect, not a single note off. It actually was hard to believe. Even their back up vocalists were perfect. They all harmonize extremely well together. Their live show is what made me a fan of them. They put on a hell of a show, and are nothing less that spot on with thier performance.
I see HTL as more of a NFG rip-off than FOB rip-off.. They aren't horrible, though. I just do not care for 'em.

Drew Beringer
07/07/06, 10:36 AM
I disagree with both reviews, I wouldn't rate it as high as Steve did or as low as Gabe. They are still well written though. This EP is ok, I was really disappointed with it. I don't like how the old songs were redone, and the new ones really didn't catch me. But I love their debut album. Also, they don't really sound like FOB to me, I dunno I think of TAI or a poppunk Northstar.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 10:40 AM
I disagree with both reviews, I wouldn't rate it as high as Steve did or as low as Gabe. They are still well written though. This EP is ok, I was really disappointed with it. I don't like how the old songs were redone, and the new ones really didn't catch me. But I love their debut album. Also, they don't really sound like FOB to me, I dunno I think of TAI or a poppunk Northstar.
I think they sound like a pop-punk band. I'm not even hearing The Academy Is... or Northstar in there.

Drew Beringer
07/07/06, 10:43 AM
I think they sound like a pop-punk band. I'm not even hearing The Academy Is... or Northstar in there.
There is no such thing as an original poppunk band these days.

Scott Weber
07/07/06, 10:44 AM
There is no such thing as an original poppunk band these days.
As much as I hate to say this...Panic! At the Disco is.

Blake Solomon
07/07/06, 10:47 AM
so i gave this a listen just now, and i cant score them as low as you, or as high as steve. I didnt really find any of it too catchy and wouldnt be able to pick out a single song right now, even though it is only 10 minutes after it stopped playing. His voice isnt that bad, but the lyrics were pretty dumb and i didnt find myself wanting to sing along, which for me, is a must for pop punk like this.

Pat Marquez
07/07/06, 10:47 AM
There is no such thing as an original poppunk band these days.
Okay. The only original pop-punk band was the first one? Right? Ya, Drew, you didn't read what I said. I said I think they sound like a general POP PUNK band. I just do not hear anything in comparison to Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is, and Northstar. All three of those bands sound different from All Time Low and those three bands also do not sound like each other either.

Scott does have it right, Panic! doesn't really sound like any other pop-punk band but then again, I don't even think they really sound like a pop-punk band. If anything they have that new-wave type sound fused with pop-punk.

Drew Beringer
07/07/06, 11:03 AM
As much as I hate to say this...Panic! At the Disco is.
I would agree, but I don't see any "punk" in their music, it's more pop-rock (I know I'm splitting hairs now). And I do enjoy A Fever... every now and then.

xowearmeout
07/07/06, 11:31 AM
All Time Low is about infinity times better than Plain White T's. And Hit the Lights.

haha. could not agree more.

mogley
07/07/06, 11:39 AM
Since you believe All time low has replicated FOB and other pop punk classics, if you were to review these other bands, would their scores be as low?

With that also said, their music is so incredibly addictive, so much so that listening to it over and over again is rather enjoyable. And as a pop music enthusiast, this is so disheartening. Seeing a band with obvious talent, (their ability to craft songs at varying tempos and made-for-the-masses Gaskarth's voice handles well through twsiting transitions). But their ability to slack so noticably in creativity skews the rest of their performance and questions the integrity of their art. I need something to look forward to.

This paragraph alone leads me to question how you could rate them so low, besides the staying power since you somewhat addressed that in the last sentence.

Scott Weber
07/07/06, 11:43 AM
Since you believe All time low has replicated FOB and other pop punk classics, if you were to review these other bands, would their scores be as low?



This paragraph alone leads me to question how you could rate them so low, besides the staying power since you somewhat addressed that in the last sentence.
The cheap knock-off is never as good as the original...so no...I think that's the point Gabe was trying to make.

xowearmeout
07/07/06, 11:45 AM
although most of this review was negative, there were some parts where you had patted them on the back.. i'm a little thrown off. i feel that if they would have written an entire new CD with all new tracks, you would have changed your opinion. i think this CD is outstanding which obviously conflicts with this review..

Poultrylicious
07/07/06, 12:38 PM
They're only 17? This is a nice stepping stone then, i see alot of potential for only listening to it a couple of times, its not the greatest thing or even the worst, its just fun, lets not get serious as to who rips off who, and take this ep for what its worth.

If "initation is the greatest form of flattery" i think they did a good job, i can't wait to see where this goes... maturity, creativity, instrumentrals, ect., that all could wait later, as long as it has heart thats all that matters

Darren McLeod
07/07/06, 12:56 PM
just because you're young doesn't mean we should give you a good score on a review. just because you sell out shows doesn't mean we should give you a good score on a review. just because you're going to be the next big thing doesn't mean we should give you a good score on a review. if you put out a solid, original record, we should give you a good score on a review.

Team Gabe: Scott Weber, Tony Pascarella, Darren McLeod
Team Steve: Pat Marquez, Katie Schmitz.

bowlingforfun
07/07/06, 01:43 PM
ill be honest ive only listened to one of their songs so far, but in all fairness when i heard tttyg for the first time i referred to fall out boy as that band that sounded alot like midtown...and im a huge fan of fall out boy. you can always go back one band further.

Gabe Gross
07/07/06, 04:11 PM
thanks for the comments guys. your interaction with one another is very appreciated.

aminorthreat55
07/07/06, 04:23 PM
Mmmm, delicious incongruity.

Broken Parachute
07/07/06, 05:25 PM
haha. could not agree more.
We should date one day.

Broken Parachute
07/07/06, 05:26 PM
thanks for the comments guys. your interaction with one another is very appreciated.
You can take this to your grave and bury it under the cork tree..
I loved that line haha

MattRM
07/07/06, 06:14 PM
Ouch. Good review, but I disagree. I think it's good pop-punk, some of the best to come out in recent memory, along with Hit The Lights. Yeah, it does sound like a lot of other pop-punk, but it sounds like good pop-punk, so it's good, in my opinion.

xowearmeout
07/07/06, 06:19 PM
We should date one day.

deal.

iheartmariokart
07/07/06, 07:30 PM
Ok, I have some beff (ewwww hate that word) with the ep mainly as a fan since their first ep. I think i agree with some of your statements, but you contradict yourself in your score -> review.
(their ability to craft songs at varying tempos and made-for-the-masses Gaskarth's voice handles well through twsiting transitions)
that's a .5? You also say that it has replayability but is short lived. Maybe It's just me not understanding that wording. Elaboration would be much appreciated :)

Broken Parachute
07/07/06, 07:55 PM
deal. Sweet. :wink:

AquaTeen00
07/08/06, 07:52 AM
Decent review. But I completely disagree. Yes, pop-punk has become a little over rated and definitely hasn't really grown into anything better than just that (pop-punk). But taking that into consideration, ATL has put out one of the best pop-punk EPs I've heard in a long while. You can't criticize them for not changing their sound. They are a pop-punk band, and one of the few that does it best.

They did re-do to many old songs though.

xowearmeout
07/08/06, 08:00 AM
Decent review. But I completely disagree. Yes, pop-punk has become a little over rated and definitely hasn't really grown into anything better than just that (pop-punk). But taking that into consideration, ATL has put out one of the best pop-punk EPs I've heard in a long while. You can't criticize them for not changing their sound. They are a pop-punk band, and one of the few that does it best.

They did re-do to many old songs though.

i completely agree.

ishotthepilot
07/08/06, 10:31 AM
haha. i agree. it's definitely listenable, but yes i could make your FOB/TSL mixtape and throw some cartel in there for the same vocals except better. at least another unoriginal band like hit the lights still manages to have their own style... there's a reason bands tend to write albums while locked up in the woods somewhere - so they don't copy everyone else.

splitsecond
07/08/06, 12:49 PM
All Time Low, HTL, Plain White T's, CIWWAF etc. is ALL B GRADE POP PUNK. Some people will fall in love with them because their juvenile angst is easily relatable, and catchy.

None of these bands will ever compare to FOB, NFG, TSL, Blink or any of the other bands who have done it right, have had the talent to mature and be creative without being unoriginal, and have had that overall star quality.

This cd isnt as bad as Gabe's nunmbers show, but it most certainly isnt worth my hard earned money.

jpgretzky15
07/08/06, 12:54 PM
im happy to see bad scores here. every album is so glowingly reviewed, i like seeing some criticism. even my 2nd favorite album of 2005, which i reviewed on here (no use for a name), got a 76%.

now, pitchfork seems to award 0.5's and 1.9's to every other album. if only you guys could combine your rating scoring somehow :)

Steve Henderson
07/08/06, 12:55 PM
All Time Low, HTL, Plain White T's, CIWWAF etc. is ALL B GRADE POP PUNK. Some people will fall in love with them because their juvenile angst is easily relatable, and catchy.

None of these bands will ever compare to FOB, NFG, TSL, Blink or any of the other bands who have done it right, have had the talent to mature and be creative without being unoriginal, and have had that overall star quality.

This cd isnt as bad as Gabe's nunmbers show, but it most certainly isnt worth my hard earned money.Yeahm $5 is way too much for 7 solid songs. :)

leftstranded
07/08/06, 01:21 PM
i'm glad to see someone wrote a contrasting review. i don't agree with it but it's refreshing

You Got Owned
07/08/06, 11:05 PM
i don't think this review was very fair.
you can't really bash a band for not being original when being "original" hasn't been done by a band for quite a while. it's hard to not sound like anyone when pretty much everything has been done. from now on, every hardcore band will sound like underoath, every pop-punk band will sound like fall out boy. I know lets get technical with our pop... wait, there is gatsby's and forgive durden. well, add dance beats to it... yea panic! does that their whole album.

it's just very difficult these days to be original.

Chris Fallon
07/09/06, 01:37 AM
I respect your honesty, but I like this band's music, and I'm willing to admit that. Even though I don't agree with your consnsus on this EP, I can say it's well-written and you aren't backing down from anything. So props on that, Gabe.

Julia Conny
07/09/06, 11:21 AM
whatever a reviewer says, goes. but this review was as biting as razor blades. even i was skeptical when i first saw the four play awhile back, but i've been warmed up great amounts. plus, they're a fabulous live band - positive, fun, and dreamy as hell, so i'm not too worried. like everyone's been saying, it's nice to see such a harsh review, even if it is ATL. you don't see enough of that here.

Steve Henderson
07/09/06, 11:23 AM
whatever a reviewer says, goes. but this review was as biting as razor blades. even i was skeptical when i first saw the four play awhile back, but i've been warmed up great amounts. plus, they're a fabulous live band - positive, fun, and dreamy as hell, so i'm not too worried. like everyone's been saying, it's nice to see such a harsh review, even if it is ATL. you don't see enough of that here.I <3 Julia.

iheartmariokart
07/09/06, 12:20 PM
You can criticize bands for being 'fake' and 'unoriginal', but it doesn't help when orignal bands don't even get reviews! It hurts to know that The Dresden Dolls only get coverage when it involves Panic! and stuff like DFA hardly recieve coverage at all. IT was refreshing to see some news posted on the Blood Brothers and Pony Up! so kudos to whoever posted that news, i can't exactly remember who posted those.

Cheap Shots
07/09/06, 03:50 PM
I personnaly thinkyou should go shit a brick and die.
Hence thats just me.
These boys rock their hearts out and do everything they can to make their fans happy if you dont like them keep you're snide comments to yourself and don't criticize alex or any of the other members.
Cause im completely content in saying they rock the foundation more than you ever could.
before you say rude comments about them go listen to the other shit local bands then get back to us cause all the other people dont have what it takes to make it big-> TALENT.
Theyre boys who play their guitars (badly) like greenday and sing ike a boy band.
So listen to the kids who actually give a shit about theyre sound.

Scott Weber
07/09/06, 03:52 PM
I personnaly thinkyou should go shit a brick and die.
Hence thats just me.
These boys rock their hearts out and do everything they can to make their fans happy if you dont like them keep you're snide comments to yourself and don't criticize alex or any of the other members.
Cause im completely content in saying they rock the foundation more than you ever could.
before you say rude comments about them go listen to the other shit local bands then get back to us cause all the other people dont have what it takes to make it big-> TALENT.
Theyre boys who play their guitars (badly) like greenday and sing ike a boy band.
So listen to the kids who actually give a shit about theyre sound.
Hahaha. Worst spelling/grammar ever on AP.

You Got Owned
07/09/06, 04:17 PM
Hahaha. Worst spelling/grammar ever on AP.
haha

Scott Weber
07/09/06, 04:34 PM
haha
The best part is the "hence thats just me."

what?

Chris Fallon
07/10/06, 07:57 PM
The best part is the "hence thats just me."

what?

Now that's funny!

OneFellSwoop
07/11/06, 03:07 PM
hmm wow i love this cd

lassise
07/11/06, 09:29 PM
wow a band sounds like another band? yea cuz no other band sounds like fall out boy / starting line. i am going to have to go against you and say this is a great album. the party scene was a great album and got like a 9.1 and now they put out almost the exact same album (literally) and it gets a 2. get the hell out of here. this band didnt just form last week and get lucky. they have been huge in the maryland scene for atleast the last 2 years and are finally getting the recognition they deserve.

Cue the Sun
07/12/06, 05:15 PM
wow that was harsh...

DroppedUrPocket
07/13/06, 01:14 PM
Haha so did Gabe get reprimanded by the Tater yet?

Steve Henderson
07/13/06, 01:15 PM
Haha so did Gabe get reprimanded by the Tater yet?
No rule against negative reviews, silly.

Scott Weber
07/13/06, 01:38 PM
No rule against negative reviews, silly.
Yeah, especially since Gabe and Jason talked about this review in person before it went up, haha.

DroppedUrPocket
07/13/06, 01:40 PM
No rule against negative reviews, silly.
It's been different in the past. :shrugs:

Scott Weber
07/13/06, 01:42 PM
It's been different in the past. :shrugs:
Not really... how many times do we have to talk about that? Why do you think that? Explain it so I can debunk it for you.

DroppedUrPocket
07/13/06, 01:44 PM
Not really... how many times do we have to talk about that? Why do you think that? Explain it so I can debunk it for you.
I'm not trying to cause shit, but I thought people got reprimanded in the past for harsh reviews. Wasn't there a big thing with FUCT when it came out?

Scott Weber
07/13/06, 01:50 PM
I'm not trying to cause shit, but I thought people got reprimanded in the past for harsh reviews. Wasn't there a big thing with FUCT when it came out?
There were 3 examples:

My SKSK review that was basically ripping into the band as people instead of reviewing the music - my fault, it was deleted, we moved on

Ryan Mills' Thrice review - specifically written to undercut Jason and AP.net's opinion, blasted the "hype" - totally uncalled for

The FUCT reviews - Only because Jason was gone and there was 3 in one day, and Frank's review blasted FOB as people instead of talking about the music

I've written well over 20 other negative reviews for AP and there's been zero problems. Misconception over. There's been a ton of harsh reviews recently..do you not read the news page very often?

DroppedUrPocket
07/13/06, 01:51 PM
There were 3 examples:

My SKSK review that was basically ripping into the band as people instead of reviewing the music - my fault, it was deleted, we moved on

Ryan Mills' Thrice review - specifically written to undercut Jason and AP.net's opinion, blasted the "hype" - totally uncalled for

The FUCT reviews - Only because Jason was gone and there was 3 in one day, and Frank's review blasted FOB as people instead of talking about the music

I've written well over 20 other negative reviews for AP and there's been zero problems. Misconception over. There's been a ton of harsh reviews recently..do you not read the news page very often?
Thank you for clearing that up. But as far as the reviews, I really don't read them. Sorry for my insolence. Please forgive me.

Scott Weber
07/13/06, 02:00 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. But as far as the reviews, I really don't read them. Sorry for my insolence. Please forgive me.
Nah it's cool, it's just something a LOT of general forum people seem to think even though there hasn't been an "incident" in like a year.

DroppedUrPocket
07/13/06, 02:02 PM
Nah it's cool, it's just something a LOT of general forum people seem to think even though there hasn't been an "incident" in like a year.
I didn't even realize it was that long ago. Hmmm.

Scott Weber
07/13/06, 02:11 PM
I didn't even realize it was that long ago. Hmmm.
Well....yeah. FUCT came out a long long time ago and SKSK was over a year ago as well.

hale7209
07/13/06, 08:29 PM
all time low isnt ripping any one off. and they defintly dont sound like fall out boy, fall out boy has a way more processed sound, and they are terrible live. all time low has an amazing energy that they spread throughout the room wherever they play. granted their earlier work was a tad bit better, they only reworked them because its an EP, and their next cd will have new songs. you say pop punks dead, but theyre a band that can bring it back. theyre only 18, and fall out boy and other pop punk bands are 20-something. with more age they can defintly revitalize the pop punk scene.

Scott Weber
07/13/06, 08:39 PM
all time low isnt ripping any one off. and they defintly dont sound like fall out boy, fall out boy has a way more processed sound, and they are terrible live. all time low has an amazing energy that they spread throughout the room wherever they play. granted their earlier work was a tad bit better, they only reworked them because its an EP, and their next cd will have new songs. you say pop punks dead, but theyre a band that can bring it back. theyre only 18, and fall out boy and other pop punk bands are 20-something. with more age they can defintly revitalize the pop punk scene.
no offense, but how can a band revitalize the pop-punk scene if their sound is exactly the same as other pre-established bands out there?

hale7209
07/14/06, 01:20 PM
because their sound isnt the same

Scott Weber
07/15/06, 12:38 AM
because their sound isnt the same
Except it totally is...

hale7209
07/16/06, 09:06 PM
except it really isnt, but hey, its fine

BruisedxBroken
07/22/06, 11:14 AM
Scumbag. Way to bash a young band on the verge of success. Nothing with effort deserves less than a 3, and ATL clearly show effort. Steve's review was way more levelheaded than this fucker's.

whitelines
07/22/06, 02:31 PM
These reviews are too hard and too long to read so I just looked at the numbers. I think this cd is very catchy, one of those cd's that 14 year old girls have numerous copies of it.

followthattune
08/24/06, 11:00 PM
yes, of course this is catchy. and of course this band is going places. people like catchy pop-punk. but this EP is unoriginal and while i don't think this review had to be quite as harsh as it was numbers wise, i do agree with what was written. i've seen this band and i did enjoy them and i even hung out with them for a while after, they're nice kids. i won't discredit them quite yet since this is only an EP, but i'd definately like to see growth and originality in their full length. what comes to mind is the starting line's transition from say it like you mean it --> based on a true story.

maskellxx
10/19/06, 02:46 PM
I agree 100%. They are popular with freshman girls in high school. Again, I am not sure why. One song may be catchy how ever I quickly become bored and expect no suprises and I think this genre was done about 6 years ago.

scottwh
10/25/06, 05:56 PM
I like this album...a well written review though.

ajaxfc3
11/15/06, 12:47 AM
They are young kids trying to get their feet wet....... The idea of a band is to be popular, write good music, and gain fans. Bands like Fall Out Boy and Cartel have done that a little bit, right? Just wait, their next release will be unreal. This is one of the worst reviews I have ever read.

saving jonathan
01/03/07, 01:27 PM
i like this ep. not a ton, but some of the songs i like a lot. they're catchy, and maybe they dont redefine the genre. but i think this is a rather harsh review. i don't think that every band has to be different to be considered a good band. there is only so much that can be done in a certain type of music, and if these guys want to make that type, they should. they obviously enjoy it, and i think they do a pretty good job of putting out good music. just because a band doesn't do something extremely different and awesome, and maybe they sound like a certain band or whatever (which is bound to happen with almost any band), doesn't mean they deserve to have their album ripped to shreds.

dpatrickguy
01/29/07, 02:21 PM
its bullshit to give the vocals a 2

Forsythe22
02/20/07, 01:42 PM
i love it, great review of a much-overrated band

ThisIsNotDan
03/24/07, 10:18 AM
so so so so bland

xxno_promisesxx
07/12/07, 08:26 AM
wow this was the most harsh review i have ever read....

valentina_massa
07/12/07, 08:31 AM
damn this is pretty harsh. the sad thing is, most 9-12 year old girls would kill you for this review

billyboatkid
08/18/07, 08:28 AM
horrible review.

tm decomposer
08/29/07, 08:22 PM
hahahah

Futurama02
09/27/07, 02:24 PM
This is the worst review I have ever read. It sounds like the reviewer was having a bad week and decided to tear into a CD he didnt really listen to and go on a rant about the pop-punk genre to make himself feel better. Then to fake like he knew what he as talking about he threw in a few facts about the CD he looked up

whothehellispat
11/28/07, 07:09 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a

man this is hilarious seeing where they've gotten since the review was written

Scott Weber
11/28/07, 08:43 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a

man this is hilarious seeing where they've gotten since the review was written
I bet it would also be hilarious if we reviewed a Nickelback CD before they got big, amirite???

Big does not equal good.

whothehellispat
11/30/07, 12:27 PM
I bet it would also be hilarious if we reviewed a Nickelback CD before they got big, amirite???

Big does not equal good.

touche, i still maintain this band is better then the average pop punk photocopy

PutUpOrShutUp8
12/19/07, 09:50 AM
lol this is probably the worst rreview i've ever seen. this EP was just a shot to get ATL's best songs out there to people who haven't heard of them yet, and something to keep the existing fans occupied while we waited for the full length to be made. Probably one of the best pop-punk EP's i've ever heard.

hockeyguitar99
05/13/08, 02:12 PM
i cant agree with this

while i see the uncreativity and things

i don't think that the musicianship or vocals where so bad

Theher3tic
09/25/08, 05:34 AM
I think this was a terribly written review. Not every band can break out into a new genre. You unfairly downgraded subjects you complimented purely because they werent original. That is not a fair evaluation in any sense.

flks511
06/06/09, 05:41 PM
This is the worst review I have ever read. It sounds like the reviewer was having a bad week and decided to tear into a CD he didnt really listen to and go on a rant about the pop-punk genre to make himself feel better. Then to fake like he knew what he as talking about he threw in a few facts about the CD he looked up
Worst first post I've ever seen.

chelseaxsmilexD
06/12/09, 09:06 PM
woh ho ho vicious! absolutepunk harsh reviews are so rare. i always see reviews between 70-85% constantly.
personally i like the band.
like the review also.
look up i set my friends on fire... hilarious
or good mourning revival

chelseaxsmilexD
06/12/09, 09:08 PM
Worst first post I've ever seen.
for once in my fucking life i agree with you... holy crap the apocalypse is coming, gotta go

chelseaxsmilexD
06/12/09, 09:09 PM
so you like a band and you like how the EP here got trashed... i love your great sense of wit!

splutton
06/18/09, 07:54 AM
Still really good ep. The full length puts this to bed though, dam good band.

stereokiller
09/03/09, 10:28 AM
Nothing Personal. lololololol.

Jordan0123
10/17/09, 09:23 AM
Your review was total shit.

punkroc7894
05/22/10, 06:08 PM
good band

MTrench
08/14/10, 09:42 AM
I do like all time low but not over the top. They're enjoyable to listen to, but they are nothing special. like said;
"...a band who never set out to change the world....and still hasn't"
- straight to DVD.

I''d give ATL 75% I like them but I wouldn't go ape shit over them.

OhSnapItsSummer
10/02/10, 07:08 AM
Wow..That was very harsh. I 100% disagree. Coffee Shop Soundtrack, Jasey Rae and Lullabies are amazing. The thing is you don't know the story behind each one. Lullabies is about Alex's older brother that comitited suicide in 2004. Its very emotional and one of the most amazing song I've ever heard. The lyrics are awesome and heartbreaking.

Martha15
02/19/11, 11:03 PM
One of their BEST albums! I hope Dirty Work will have a little of their roots in it! <3

Laylooosh
03/25/11, 11:04 PM
Funny that this review basically trashes the entire EP, yet older fans are always comparing their new material to this and saying that the new stuff isn't as good. Just something to observe. I personally love this EP and basically everything they've put out. But that's just me.

SD44
04/19/11, 01:16 PM
This is unnecessarily harsh, I don't think the genre's been taken into account properly. For fans this is a sparkling effort with a range of song types. Personally, I love it!

letitshinee
01/27/12, 11:48 AM
eargasmic

AnalogBoy17
04/04/12, 11:15 AM
Get your hands on a copy of ATL's first release ever. Alex has been quoted as saying he has the only copy that he knows of.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ALL-TIME-LOW-first-EP-The-Three-Words-to-Remember-in-Dealing-with-the-End-/190662735455?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item2c6462765f