Have you ever stopped listening to a band because the members were douches?

[xapplexpiex]

Well there's a top 40 radio station where I live and I guess one of the d.j.s was engaged to the singer for Relient K. Then he cheated on her. My mom listens to the station and says she says a ton of bad things he did or whatever. Also, I read an article in Alternative Press once about Polar Bear Club. One of the members wanted to meet one of the members of blink-182 when he was around 16. The member of blink-182 told someone of the arena "hey, I said no kids." And the Polar Bear Club was so let down! Now I don't really look at blink the same. I don't go to shows much, but I see on here people comment and say certain bands are "great dudes." Well who isn't?

[istillfeelher]

Sometimes you just have to look past peoples personalities and quirks. Just focus on the music they create.

[:-)]

Still a Chris Brown fan :shrug:

[Smeee]

I still occasionally spin Emarosa even though Jonny is... well... let's just say I don't find myself in agreement with a lot of the things he says.

[Deadbolt23]

No.

[CheckeredFloors]

the devil wears prada were supposed to come to australia as part of soundwave this year.
instead they pulled out to do an american tour with killswitch engage.

now i think theyre all douchebags and i hardly listen to them anymore

[leaving_astoria]

aj perdomo from the dangerous summer is kind of a douche. i think idk. but i still love theyremusic

[Chrisj182]

I still listen to Chris Brown. Also, I try to forget the personality of band members when I listen to their songs.

[Roboman]

Eh, not really.

[squared82]

Well there's a top 40 radio station where I live and I guess one of the d.j.s was engaged to the singer for Relient K. Then he cheated on her. My mom listens to the station and says she says a ton of bad things he did or whatever. Also, I read an article in Alternative Press once about Polar Bear Club. One of the members wanted to meet one of the members of blink-182 when he was around 16. The member of blink-182 told someone of the arena "hey, I said no kids." And the Polar Bear Club was so let down! Now I don't really look at blink the same. I don't go to shows much, but I see on here people comment and say certain bands are "great dudes." Well who isn't?


I'm pretty sure that Matt T. cheating has never been confirmed.

Of course, I don't know any details about it.

[Lirr168]

I haven't stopped listening to anybody for this reason. I still think The Maine put out some catchy tunes even though John O. is a moron extraordinaire.

On the flip side of this, I really got into The Suicide Pact after meeting them in Worcester a few years ago; they were the nicest group of guys.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Yes, but thank God Good Charlotte have always been some awful teen phenomenon anyway.

[mybreakingpoint]

i used to be into 30STM 'til i started reading about what a tool Jared Leto is.

[yellowhouse]

I try to just focus on the music.

[SweetThye]

Yeah... I don't believe the thing about Matt T. but whatever...

Definitely think Jonny Craig is a douche (actually the epitome of douche), but I still love his voice, and still listen to Dance Gavin Dance and Emarosa.

[SweetThye]

the devil wears prada were supposed to come to australia as part of soundwave this year.
instead they pulled out to do an american tour with killswitch engage.

now i think theyre all douchebags and i hardly listen to them anymore

overreacting much?

[Lloyd Christmas]

I'm pretty sure that Matt T. cheating has never been confirmed.

Of course, I don't know any details about it.

i agree, he seems like the last person who would do that.

[Christian Wagner]

aj perdomo from the dangerous summer is kind of a douche. i think idk. but i still love theyremusic

He's not. Far from it.

[erccentea]

I still love Kanye even though he is a gay fish.

[Viva Sonata]

Kanye I still listen to.

Jonny Craig gave me the finger, but I still listen to him. It's an unhealthy relationship.

[Alex1410]

I only really care about the music.

[tyramail]

sometimes it's a turnoff, but i don't think i could completely stop listening to a band i like just because of the members.

[sleepyseanzzz]

me and about 20 other people got invited in to see what was promoted as a say anything acoustic show before the concert that night. but then it actually just ended up being we got to see some songs from the soundcheck, and max was turned around facing the drummer the entire time and didnt look at any of us, not even between the songs. as soon as those songs were over he immediately left the stage and we still got to talk to the other guys, but it kind of ruined SA for me. i loved IDOTG the most because i felt it was great for what was going on in my life at the time but now that the self-titled is out i think i listened to it once and it didnt do a lot for me anymore. i didnt straight up say i hate it because i was pissed max snubbed us but my tastes have changed and i just didnt like it as much as IDOTG or IARB.

it's true you shouldn't ever meet your heroes in case they let you down.

also, the guitarist jeff turner told me that the nicest guy he ever met in any other band is matt from relient k, hands down. i think they are neighbors down in georgia

[medicatemex]

I still occasionally spin Emarosa even though Jonny is... well... let's just say I don't find myself in agreement with a lot of the things he says.

haha yeah, i have jonny on msn & he seems like a douche.

[xapplexpiex]

He's not. Far from it.
That's what I was thinking too. I haven't met him or seen them live, but he seems like a nice guy.

[SmeezyBeezy]

I've never listened to Kanye because he's the president, king, and emperor of the douchebags

[PatrickRitchie]

I guess it depends. Sure, it makes me think differently than the members but if I like a band's music enough I can usually look past the attitudes of the members no matter how shitty they may be.

[Burnoutalex]

I wouldnt' stop listening to a band because of this.

Plus sometimes, you realise the band are better dudes than you realised. It can work both ways.

[blebbio]

never

[ThisIsNotDan]

not only is Jonny Craig a douche, but his music is shitty and voice is overrated. win-win

[AbbeyCarbs]

seeing relient k live made me like them less, but not because of them as people just the performance

[Smash Adams]

i used to be into 30STM 'til i started reading about what a tool Jared Leto is.
That was probably for the best Nate Dogg

[amplifire]

I don't think that should change how you feel about their music, but I can see how a douchey member can turn you off to a band.
Seeing All Time Low live made me like them a lot less.

That sucks about the PBC guy...I hope if I ever meet a blink guy he isn't mean! The PBC guy probably just caught him at a bad time.

[Yellowcard2006]

I also heard that about Matt from Relient K...I don't know, the lyrics on Forget and Not Slow Down don't sound like a guy who cheated on his fiance.

[magician randu]

the only band i've stopped listening to, and it wasn't even a stop they weren't a favorite of mine or anything, for this reason was kiss kiss! Due to their lack of respect for the opening acts at a free show they played at purchase college. I've never came across a group of musicians who, may i add didn't have a crowd worth their arrogance, could be so rude. They even went as far as heckling the opening band for some technical problems. Things like that make me not want to listen to a band. Ever. But maybe i would think differently if they were The Mars Volta or someone worth something to my ears.

[ReedAreTheUnion]

the devil wears prada were supposed to come to australia as part of soundwave this year.
instead they pulled out to do an american tour with killswitch engage.

now i think theyre all douchebags and i hardly listen to them anymore
That's a really shitty reason to stop listening to a band, dude. Do you like their music or not?
You have no idea what was discussed between them and their management that led them to cancel soundwave. Besides, even if they did cancel just for the tour, put yourself in their shoes. One sweet show vs an entire tour of sweet shows? That's a no brainer.
Sometimes, things get canceled. Your life will go on. They will go back to Australia and when they do, I hope you go, because clearly that band and their music means something to you. That should be what's important.

[ReedAreTheUnion]

I also heard that about Matt from Relient K...I don't know, the lyrics on Forget and Not Slow Down don't sound like a guy who cheated on his fiance.
This.

[Thesleepingwell]

No...

[dungeonwitch]

Craig Owens is the definition of douche.

[Poe-tryGirl]

Not really.

[xapplexpiex]

Craig Owens is the definition of douche.
Haha yes. I've been waiting for someone to mention him.

[Cameronisonfire]

At a Brand New show in Austin someone threw a shirt or something onstage and Jesse told the crowd something to the extent of "I don't care what you people think, I already have your money". Cool guy, get over yourself. Daisy blows. But I didn't stop listening to them because of that, I stopped because they bore me.

[dungeonwitch]

Haha yes. I've been waiting for someone to mention him.
I'll never forget my reasoning behind this.

UC Irvine in so cal, the Atreyu tour (i went because ETID was there), Chiodos opened for everyone. This was like 2006 i believe, BEFORE Chiodos most recent album anyways.

They were filming the live video for the track The Words 'Best Friend' Become Redefined, so of couse Craig mentioned that they were probably going to play the track a few times, they did, 3 times total.

The first time, the people were like whatever, didnt go all "overly crazy", so they played it again immediately. Same situation this time, but Craig said something like "You guys are going to look like assholes on film just standing there not moving!". so they played a few more songs and came to the final song, the third time.

People were STILL not getting into it, Craig was over the top as always, finding ways to show his skinny ass stomach and hips like he always does, posing for pics all homo-like. So the song ended, instead of saying "thank you for helping us make a good video, take care drive safe!". He just made a stupid fart noise in the mic and dropped it hard on the floor, then stormed off and probably went to go blog about it or something.

[dungeonwitch]

At a Brand New show in Austin someone threw a shirt or something onstage and Jesse told the crowd something to the extent of "I don't care what you people think, I already have your money". Cool guy, get over yourself. Daisy blows. But I didn't stop listening to them because of that, I stopped because they bore me.
Brand New are trying to hard to be "different". Natural progression my ass.

[xapplexpiex]

I'll never forget my reasoning behind this.

UC Irvine in so cal, the Atreyu tour (i went because ETID was there), Chiodos opened for everyone. This was like 2006 i believe, BEFORE Chiodos most recent album anyways.

They were filming the live video for the track The Words 'Best Friend' Become Redefined, so of couse Craig mentioned that they were probably going to play the track a few times, they did, 3 times total.

The first time, the people were like whatever, didnt go all "overly crazy", so they played it again immediately. Same situation this time, but Craig said something like "You guys are going to look like assholes on film just standing there not moving!". so they played a few more songs and came to the final song, the third time.

People were STILL not getting into it, Craig was over the top as always, finding ways to show his skinny ass stomach and hips like he always does, posing for pics all homo-like. So the song ended, instead of saying "thank you for helping us make a good video, take care drive safe!". He just made a stupid fart noise in the mic and dropped it hard on the floor, then stormed off and probably went to go blog about it or something.
WOW.

[xapplexpiex]

At a Brand New show in Austin someone threw a shirt or something onstage and Jesse told the crowd something to the extent of "I don't care what you people think, I already have your money". Cool guy, get over yourself. Daisy blows. But I didn't stop listening to them because of that, I stopped because they bore me.
I can understand why Jesse said that. I think he was just aiming the statement at the person that threw something on the stage. I'd be mad too.

[Cameronisonfire]

Brand New are trying to hard to be "different". Natural progression my ass.

Thaaaaaaaaank you. I wish the rest of the people here would realize that and spend their money in better places. Like to purchase a parachute to hop of their nuts. zing.

[dungeonwitch]

WOW.
Just watch the video, you'll see the dramatics, they're similar to the live DVD of the Sound of Animals Fighting. Plus you'll see all the empty seats haha.

[Mibabalou]

im sure people in bands just like us are not perfect all the time

im sure they are all nice people you should never judge people from one experience

[dungeonwitch]

Thaaaaaaaaank you. I wish the rest of the people here would realize that and spend their money in better places. Like to purchase a parachute to hop of their nuts. zing.
I could understand the "progression" from YFW to Deja, i guess even from Deja to DGRIOM, but with Daisy, they're trying be like Thrice's Beggars.

Thrice is another band with questionable "progression", they took a HUUUUGE left turn. Should have stayed in the vein of Vheissu if you ask me.

[dungeonwitch]

im sure people in bands just like us are not perfect all the time

im sure they are all nice people you should never judge people from one experience
well in my situation, look at the person im complaining about! a notorious attention whore with a bad attitude.

[thesollopsist]

I'll never forget my reasoning behind this.

UC Irvine in so cal, the Atreyu tour (i went because ETID was there), Chiodos opened for everyone. This was like 2006 i believe, BEFORE Chiodos most recent album anyways.

They were filming the live video for the track The Words 'Best Friend' Become Redefined, so of couse Craig mentioned that they were probably going to play the track a few times, they did, 3 times total.

The first time, the people were like whatever, didnt go all "overly crazy", so they played it again immediately. Same situation this time, but Craig said something like "You guys are going to look like assholes on film just standing there not moving!". so they played a few more songs and came to the final song, the third time.

People were STILL not getting into it, Craig was over the top as always, finding ways to show his skinny ass stomach and hips like he always does, posing for pics all homo-like. So the song ended, instead of saying "thank you for helping us make a good video, take care drive safe!". He just made a stupid fart noise in the mic and dropped it hard on the floor, then stormed off and probably went to go blog about it or something.
Haha, I like how you just assumed he had to talk about himself to prop up his ego. What makes it even funnier is you're probably right.

[argg_xo]

Max Bemis wouldn't come out with the rest of the band a few years ago and I held a grudge against him and then S/T was released. It was then that I decided to call it quits with him.

[Mibabalou]

well in my situation, look at the person im complaining about! a notorious attention whore with a bad attitude.

yeah true many people have said he is a douche

i think in the time it takes him to put out another album most of the "scenecore" kids who buy his shit albums will grow out of that shit genres

and he will be left having to get a real job

[dungeonwitch]

Haha, I like how you just assumed he had to talk about himself to prop up his ego. What makes it even funnier is you're probably right.

haha like his whole suicide debacle.

I would still listen to their EP's and first LP, but i wont be able to watch a video because its just soaking with arrogance!

[thesollopsist]

haha like his whole suicide debacle.

I would still listen to their EP's and first LP, but i wont be able to watch a video because its just soaking with arrogance!
He just seems to seek out attention in ridiculous ways. As for his music, I haven't really heard enough of it to make a judgement so I won't say it sucks or anything BUT he did ruin the Sound of Animals Fighting DVD for me. His scenester mannerisms and lifting up his baby gap shirt were beyond annoying.

[mybreakingpoint]

That was probably for the best Nate Dogg
hey now. i was the kid who was like "fuck you, i was listening to them 6 months before you knew who they were." then i read about Leto punching Elijah Wood in the face and i was done. now i'm just genuinely uninterested in their music :shrug:

[dungeonwitch]

He just seems to seek out attention in ridiculous ways. As for his music, I haven't really heard enough of it to make a judgement so I won't say it sucks or anything BUT he did ruin the Sound of Animals Fighting DVD for me. His scenester mannerisms and lifting up his baby gap shirt were beyond annoying.
hahaha he was doing the same thing at the show i was talking about earlier. But then again, Anothy Green's dancing didnt help out much either.

[pleasedontask]

Sometimes people act like douches but they're just stressed or whatever, with a big fanbase you can't always seem super nice and connected with everyone. Can't judge a person off a specific incident like that.

[dungeonwitch]

Sometimes people act like douches but they're just stressed or whatever, with a big fanbase you can't always seem super nice and connected with everyone. Can't judge a person off a specific incident like that.
who are you referring to?

if your talking about the Leto punching Elijah in the face thing, then your wrong.

that last sentense sounds like a defense attourney trying to protect a dude that just murdered someone. there ARE certain one time instances that basically sums up a persons entire personality. kind of like when your drunk, the truth comes out.

[FueledByRock]

Thom Yorke seems like a bit of a douche, but it hasn't turned me off of Radiohead.

[dungeonwitch]

Thom Yorke seems like a bit of a douche, but it hasn't turned me off of Radiohead.
Really? seems more like an artsy weirdo to me.

[ZachMadeMeOdd]

Kanye West is the most egotistical rapper and he tore T Swift a new one, but the mans talent in Hip Hop is undeniable.

[ZachMadeMeOdd]

I could understand the "progression" from YFW to Deja, i guess even from Deja to DGRIOM, but with Daisy, they're trying be like Thrice's Beggars.

Thrice is another band with questionable "progression", they took a HUUUUGE left turn. Should have stayed in the vein of Vheissu if you ask me.


Agree with this completely. I feel like people that speak highly of daisy are truly just liking the album for the sake of liking Brand New still. It sucks to say it because i'm a huge fan of Brand New but Daisy just didn't work as well.

[Skank n go nutz]

Backstage Passport ruined Fat Mike for me. Melvin and their manager pretty much babysit him.

[dungeonwitch]

Backstage Passport ruined Fat Mike for me. Melvin and their manager pretty much babysit him.
Ohhh i forgot about that...but did you see the episode where they snorted the "green dragon"? that made me really upset since most of them have kids, and they are in a country where drug use is punishable by death, AND its being filmed for everyone to see.

I have a couple little boys myself, this pissed me off so bad.

EDIT: oh yea, they KNEW it was punishable by death.

[HometownHero]

The guys that post here from A Loss For Words are fucking douche bags. That guy from Closure In Moscow is a cock. Alex from Mayday Parade is a tool and a half. On the flip side. Bryce Avary is the best human alive. John Ohh is always awesome. The dudes from Jet Lag Gemini rule. Steel Train guys rule. Andrew from The Scene Aesthetic/Danger Radio is my favorite. And more

[WhoSaidThat?]

Never really got why how much of a prick an artist is can just negate one's body of work for the listener. Music's for the ears.

[yaz06]

I once saw Angels and Airwaves playing and Tom seemed like the biggest douche but that hasn't turned me off any of his music. I'm not really a fan of AVA but Blink is one of my favourite bands ever, even though the band members can act like that. The music is more important than how the band members act I think.

[dungeonwitch]

Never really got why how much of a prick an artist is can just negate one's body of work for the listener. Music's for the ears.
yes but the voice of said artist, represents the person we hate.

[x togepi x]

the only band i've stopped listening to, and it wasn't even a stop they weren't a favorite of mine or anything, for this reason was kiss kiss! Due to their lack of respect for the opening acts at a free show they played at purchase college. I've never came across a group of musicians who, may i add didn't have a crowd worth their arrogance, could be so rude. They even went as far as heckling the opening band for some technical problems. Things like that make me not want to listen to a band. Ever. But maybe i would think differently if they were The Mars Volta or someone worth something to my ears.

Your scene probably sucks and you're boring. Kiss Kiss was the nicest band I've ever dealt with. oh well, i'd probably heckle the terrible opening band too.

[kwsqd]

Thom Yorke seems like a bit of a douche, but it hasn't turned me off of Radiohead.
Really? seems more like an artsy weirdo to me.
He is definitely an asshole.

Thrice is another band with questionable "progression", they took a HUUUUGE left turn. Should have stayed in the vein of Vheissu if you ask me.

Should they have released Vheissu 2.0? Doesn't make sense to me.

[dungeonwitch]

Should they have released Vheissu 2.0? Doesn't make sense to me.

what? no. it seems as if bands think that each release has to be drastically different from the previous. Changing for the sake of changing.

[movingxpictures]

Kanye West is the most egotistical rapper and he tore T Swift a new one, but the mans talent in Hip Hop is undeniable.

Which is why I forgive him for the crap he pulls. He's a great rapper and his music holds up even after he does douchey stuff. Unfortunately for Chris Brown, his music was okay before, and after the whole Rihanna thing, I refuse to listen to him, because what he did gets in the way of his music, which wasn't all that amazing to begin with.

[JonnyJonnyJonny]

Your scene probably sucks and you're boring. Kiss Kiss was the nicest band I've ever dealt with. oh well, i'd probably heckle the terrible opening band too.

Then you probably are not in a band. Everyone starts somewhere. If you have to trash a band to boost your ego you are most likely overcompensating for your own lack of skill.

[kwsqd]

what? no. it seems as if bands think that each release has to be drastically different from the previous. Changing for the sake of changing.
Some bands feel that, but I wouldn't list thrice as one of them.

[DeadPoetic]

Never really got why how much of a prick an artist is can just negate one's body of work for the listener. Music's for the ears.

Bad experiences get linked to different creative forms. You're listening to a particular song and your girlfriend dumps you? You associate that song with being dumped, and refuse to listen to it anymore. Same goes for liking a band; if they treat you badly or come off like assholes, it affects the way you listen to their music. It's just human nature.

I liked VAST a whole lot before I bought one of their records direct from the guy, Jon Crosby. He took everyone's money, then took TWO YEARS to send out the CDs. Blamed it on distro problems and merch issues and whatever else he could pin it on. Not once did he take responsbility for it, the guy didn't even seem to care. Problem is, he did it again with their next record as well. Ridiculous.

Further Seems Forever toured the UK not long before they broke up and they seemed like stuck up assholes. It didn't make me stop listening to them, but every time I put their records on, I think yeah, they were dicks when I met them.

[dungeonwitch]

Some bands feel that, but I wouldn't list thrice as one of them.
Thats tough to say, they're transition into Indie rock was VERY sudden.

thrash-hardrock-softrock-indie. whats next? acoustic? well Dustin did that already.

[kwsqd]

Thats tough to say, they're transition into Indie rock was VERY sudden.

thrash-hardrock-softrock-indie. whats next? acoustic? well Dustin did that already.
Thrice is indie rock? what?

[xapplexpiex]

Bad experiences get linked to different creative forms. You're listening to a particular song and your girlfriend dumps you? You associate that song with being dumped, and refuse to listen to it anymore. Same goes for liking a band; if they treat you badly or come off like assholes, it affects the way you listen to their music. It's just human nature.

I liked VAST a whole lot before I bought one of their records direct from the guy, Jon Crosby. He took everyone's money, then took TWO YEARS to send out the CDs. Blamed it on distro problems and merch issues and whatever else he could pin it on. Not once did he take responsbility for it, the guy didn't even seem to care. Problem is, he did it again with their next record as well. Ridiculous.

Further Seems Forever toured the UK not long before they broke up and they seemed like stuck up assholes. It didn't make me stop listening to them, but every time I put their records on, I think yeah, they were dicks when I met them.
:-0 ...:-(

[xapplexpiex]

Thrice is indie rock? what?
This.
I consider them experimental.

[x togepi x]

Then you probably are not in a band. Everyone starts somewhere. If you have to trash a band to boost your ego you are most likely overcompensating for your own lack of skill.

been in bands for ten years, try again tex. even the best bands ever get trashed. who cares? stop whining. not everyone likes your shitty band.

[DeadPoetic]

:-0 ...:-(

Biggest disappointment ever. :(

And I don't know whether it was the fact that Jon Bunch was on vocals or what, but they were horrible live.

[DeadPoetic]

BTW, I saw Thrice the other night and I have to say that they didn't play one song that sounded out of place. They might have albums with completely different sounding styles of songs, but they all fitted together live. And I say that being a fan of Illusion of Safety, and not particularly Beggars.

[-karla]

i wouldn't stop listening to a band if they act like dicks... who doesn't from time to time?

however, if they were at complete odds with my personal beliefs, i'd have to think about that.

[dungeonwitch]

Thrice is indie rock? what?
I've thought so ever since The Alchemy Index came out. When i think experimental, i think of Mars Volta

[kwsqd]

I've thought so ever since The Alchemy Index came out. When i think experimental, i think of Mars Volta
I don't like to categorize bands for many reasons, but I disagree with your assessment about Thrice.

[IWasaCamera]

No need to pick one tag, Thrice is obviously indie-rock and experimental.

[karadoll]

It totally depends on how they acted like a douche, and what it was about.

But I don't think I have yet.

[Wisher]

nobody i've ever met has been a complete asshole.

ace enders was noticeably nice last summer. people have told me in the past he's a jerk but for being someone relatively successful he was very down to earth and approachable. i know that doesn't immediately qualify someone as a great person, but just the vibe i got from that dude was that he was a nice guy.

bryan czap from the dangerous summer was really kind when i talked to him. next time i see him i'd like to talk to him more.

leighton from lydia was also very nice. the first time i met him he kept apologizing for their van running into a deer the day before and the fact that they had to play acoustic and the whole band wasn't there, he genuinely felt bad, even after offering one of the coolest sets i've seen.

[dungeonwitch]

I've thought so ever since The Alchemy Index came out. When i think experimental, i think of Mars Volta

How is thrice experimental? they arent doing anything different at all, just straight forward soft stuff. With bands like The Mars Volta, you got shit going all over the place.

[karadoll]

nobody i've ever met has been a complete asshole.
The same for me. The people I talk to are always really nice.

[kwsqd]

How is thrice experimental? they arent doing anything different at all, just straight forward soft stuff. With bands like The Mars Volta, you got shit going all over the place.
How is Thrice indie rock? It's all bullshit.

[SophGod]

Johnn Craig - giant douche bag. hate the guy. Classic DGD is some of my favorite stuff though.
Kanye West - dude's a tool. Love his music.
Jared Leto - another tool. he loves himself to death. 30STM is a favorite band of mine.
What Brand New does to their fans can be seen as them being jerks, but I still love them.

so no, if someone's a douche it's not going to dictate whether or not i listen to or like their music. their music will decide that.

[x togepi x]

a whole lot of people in this thread don't know what experimental means.

[wroteurname]

Sometimes I'm a dick to annoying customers at my job, am I a bad person? No.

[DeadPoetic]

Sometimes I'm a dick to annoying customers at my job, am I a bad person? No.

Nobody said you're a bad person for being a dick, or that bands are bad people if they're dicks on one day to one person. The question is, does it affect people's judgement? Which, for the most part, it does. If you were a dick to me at your job, it'd affect my judgement of you.

[dungeonwitch]

How is Thrice indie rock? It's all bullshit.
haha fine agree to disagree.

[wroteurname]

Nobody said you're a bad person for being a dick, or that bands are bad people if they're dicks on one day to one person. The question is, does it affect people's judgement? Which, for the most part, it does. If you were a dick to me at your job, it'd affect my judgement of you.

Basically, what I'm saying is I don't give a fuck. I'm not going fishing with these people I'm listening to music.

[kwsqd]

a whole lot of people in this thread don't know what experimental means.
You act like there's a concrete definition.

haha fine agree to disagree.
Essentially.

[x togepi x]

You act like there's a concrete definition.
.

No I don't. there's just nothing that makes Thrice experimental at all when they just do things other people have been doing for years.

[dungeonwitch]

No I don't. there's just nothing that makes Thrice experimental at all when they just do things other people have been doing for years.
DING DING DING!!

I think this sums up their stylings..."They experiment with different music genres to see where they fit best." Thats my opinion about thrice, they have put there hand in almost every rock style. They should do a southern rock album next.

[rising_tied]

DING DING DING!!

I think this sums up their stylings..."They experiment with different music genres to see where they fit best." Thats my opinion about thrice, they have put there hand in almost every rock style. They should do a southern rock album next.
And it still wouldnt be that great :D

[shimmyshakes]

Yes. There's this local band that I used to like and I used to go to a lot of their shows. We became friends, then recently their true colors came out and now I want to strangle 3 of the members. Their music is not good enough for me to look past their douchey-ness and I will no longer go to their shows or support them. I hope they fail.

[Amour For Liars]

I can think of 2 bands. Wont say who. But after the last time, I decided I just wouldnt go to meet and greets or anything anymore. If theyre dicks on stage I could care less.. Not worth taking it personal. Same with all the stuff I hear about artist on ap. If they arent douches on a personal level to me It doesnt get to me. Anyways if a musician is someone you look up to/idolize/ respect/ ect... Just dont meet them, at the end of a day a musician is a person too, and just as capable of being an asshole as any other person.

Oh perfect example.

ddtXDbPcgVs

[broaddplease]

Which is why I forgive him for the crap he pulls. He's a great rapper and his music holds up even after he does douchey stuff. Unfortunately for Chris Brown, his music was okay before, and after the whole Rihanna thing, I refuse to listen to him, because what he did gets in the way of his music, which wasn't all that amazing to begin with.

Yeah me too.

[spiffa0]

I could understand the "progression" from YFW to Deja, i guess even from Deja to DGRIOM, but with Daisy, they're trying be like Thrice's Beggars.

Thrice is another band with questionable "progression", they took a HUUUUGE left turn. Should have stayed in the vein of Vheissu if you ask me.


yep, because brand new was able to copy the sound from beggers in the whole month between the date beggers came out and daisy came out.

:rolleyes:

[KatastrophiE]

Still a Chris Brown fan :shrug:

i would be maybe if he wrote his own songs and had more of a hand in their orchestration. to me, he's just a media icon, that screwed up at being just that. Or maybe he succeeded, the media did get get a kick out of the beating.

[JonnyJonnyJonny]

been in bands for ten years, try again tex. even the best bands ever get trashed. who cares? stop whining. not everyone likes your shitty band.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/11/douche.jpg

[xapplexpiex]

nobody i've ever met has been a complete asshole.

ace enders was noticeably nice last summer. people have told me in the past he's a jerk but for being someone relatively successful he was very down to earth and approachable. i know that doesn't immediately qualify someone as a great person, but just the vibe i got from that dude was that he was a nice guy.

bryan czap from the dangerous summer was really kind when i talked to him. next time i see him i'd like to talk to him more.

leighton from lydia was also very nice. the first time i met him he kept apologizing for their van running into a deer the day before and the fact that they had to play acoustic and the whole band wasn't there, he genuinely felt bad, even after offering one of the coolest sets i've seen.
I envy you so much :-)

[jmo182]

the fact that jared leto is a tool kind of makes me like them more.

[atticus18244fss]

I can think of 2 bands. Wont say who. But after the last time, I decided I just wouldnt go to meet and greets or anything anymore. If theyre dicks on stage I could care less.. Not worth taking it personal. Same with all the stuff I hear about artist on ap. If they arent douches on a personal level to me It doesnt get to me. Anyways if a musician is someone you look up to/idolize/ respect/ ect... Just dont meet them, at the end of a day a musician is a person too, and just as capable of being an asshole as any other person.

Oh perfect example.

ddtXDbPcgVs

Are you kidding? You try staying calm when someone is shining a freakin LASER in your eyes let alone playing a show in front of thousands of people. And this isn't even the fanboy in me talking now. That shit can blind you. Plus the way they call the fan out has a joking undertone considering they throw in jokes about Star Wars. How stupid can you be?

PS: Fav blink quote of all time: "may the flys of a thousand camels infect your dick"

[RockVocalPower]

Tom DeLonge is actually a sweetheart.

[Amour For Liars]

Are you kidding? You try staying calm when someone is shining a freakin LASER in your eyes let alone playing a show in front of thousands of people. And this isn't even the fanboy in me talking now. That shit can blind you. Plus the way they call the fan out has a joking undertone considering they throw in jokes about Star Wars. How stupid can you be?

PS: Fav blink quote of all time: "may the flys of a thousand camels infect your dick"


I was waiting for some fanboy to jump on this, your name makes this so much better. 1- I love blink. 2, I never said that kid didnt deserve a flaming for what he did. Yeah the kids an asshole. But mark hoppus at the end of the day isnt more justified then the next human being to say something like that. For Mark to have involvement with different suicide prevention organizations and to tell a kid hes a worthless peice of shit who should kill himself is FUCKED, esp after adam's song. And it wasnt a joking undertone. he fucking lost it after the star wars joke. Tom handled things correctly. Your fucking stupid and your rant is a poor excuse of an argument to justify the shit mark said because your too infatuated with your fav. band's members. Now go pull out your copy of theThe Mark, Tom, and Travis Show to masterbate to while you try to think about why its okay for Mark Hoppus to go over the top other then the fact hes Mark Hoppus. Because thats the only case you presented. I dont need to ask since I know how stupid you can be.

ps. dont respond expecting a responce, because if theres anything Ive learned, fanboys argue with all 5 sences turned off and thier mind set with bias and dillusional points.

[atticus18244fss]

I was waiting for some fanboy to jump on this, your name makes this so much better. 1- I love blink. 2, I never said that kid didnt deserve a flaming for what he did. Yeah the kids an asshole. But mark hoppus at the end of the day isnt more justified then the next human being to say something like that. For Mark to have involvement with different suicide prevention organizations and to tell a kid hes a worthless peice of shit who should kill himself is FUCKED, esp after adam's song. And it wasnt a joking undertone. he fucking lost it after the star wars joke. Tom handled things correctly. Your fucking stupid and your rant is a poor excuse of an argument to justify the shit mark said because your too infatuated with your fav. band's members. Now go pull out your copy of theThe Mark, Tom, and Travis Show to masterbate to while you try to think about why its okay for Mark Hoppus to go over the top other then the fact hes Mark Hoppus. Because thats the only case you presented. I dont need to ask since I know how stupid you can be.

ps. dont respond expecting a responce, because if theres anything Ive learned, fanboys argue with all 5 sences turned off and thier mind set with bias and dillusional points.

And you haven't ever said anything you regret in the heat of the moment? That was back during the Enema or TOYPAG era. Mark was not nearly as involved in charities/organizations so that argument is quite invalid. And I just got out The Mark, Tom and Travis show. See you in a few ;-).

[SophGod]

I was waiting for some fanboy to jump on this, your name makes this so much better. 1- I love blink. 2, I never said that kid didnt deserve a flaming for what he did. Yeah the kids an asshole. But mark hoppus at the end of the day isnt more justified then the next human being to say something like that. For Mark to have involvement with different suicide prevention organizations and to tell a kid hes a worthless peice of shit who should kill himself is FUCKED, esp after adam's song. And it wasnt a joking undertone. he fucking lost it after the star wars joke. Tom handled things correctly. Your fucking stupid and your rant is a poor excuse of an argument to justify the shit mark said because your too infatuated with your fav. band's members. Now go pull out your copy of theThe Mark, Tom, and Travis Show to masterbate to while you try to think about why its okay for Mark Hoppus to go over the top other then the fact hes Mark Hoppus. Because thats the only case you presented. I dont need to ask since I know how stupid you can be.

ps. dont respond expecting a responce, because if theres anything Ive learned, fanboys argue with all 5 sences turned off and thier mind set with bias and dillusional points.

exactly what i was thinking when i watched that clip.

[hollyy.heart.at]

you can't always believe the media but many times i've seen a member of a band being a douche in real life and it has had an impact on whether i like listening to them or not.

[JustAGirl01]

I'll never forget my reasoning behind this.

UC Irvine in so cal, the Atreyu tour (i went because ETID was there), Chiodos opened for everyone. This was like 2006 i believe, BEFORE Chiodos most recent album anyways.

They were filming the live video for the track The Words 'Best Friend' Become Redefined, so of couse Craig mentioned that they were probably going to play the track a few times, they did, 3 times total.

The first time, the people were like whatever, didnt go all "overly crazy", so they played it again immediately. Same situation this time, but Craig said something like "You guys are going to look like assholes on film just standing there not moving!". so they played a few more songs and came to the final song, the third time.

People were STILL not getting into it, Craig was over the top as always, finding ways to show his skinny ass stomach and hips like he always does, posing for pics all homo-like. So the song ended, instead of saying "thank you for helping us make a good video, take care drive safe!". He just made a stupid fart noise in the mic and dropped it hard on the floor, then stormed off and probably went to go blog about it or something.

when i met craig on that tour he was the nicest dude ever

[pleasedontask]

who are you referring to?

if your talking about the Leto punching Elijah in the face thing, then your wrong.

that last sentense sounds like a defense attourney trying to protect a dude that just murdered someone. there ARE certain one time instances that basically sums up a persons entire personality. kind of like when your drunk, the truth comes out.

No Leto punching Elijah I agree with.

I guess I was refering to more of the "Oh, he didn't come out to talk to the fans after the show tonight so he must be a giant dick" complaints you hear alot.

[FallenAngel117]

the devil wears prada were supposed to come to australia as part of soundwave this year.
instead they pulled out to do an american tour with killswitch engage.

now i think theyre all douchebags and i hardly listen to them anymore

hey c'mon if you were coming out to australia for like 5-8 gigs for soundwave etc and were offered to tour with killswitch in America which is like ten times more concerts. what would you do. at least they're gonna come back an do a tour which they are gonna headline where you'll get to see more of them. with soundwave you'll get to see them for like 20 mins whereas if they do their own tour they'll do twice as much an it'll be worth so much more of your money than soundwave. give them a break!

[steveC]

Still a Chris Brown fan :shrug:
hahahaha





same.
and i agree with the sentiment you posted above

[zion the lion]

Still a Chris Brown fan :shrug:

I still love kiss kiss.

[steveC]

Which is why I forgive him for the crap he pulls. He's a great rapper and his music holds up even after he does douchey stuff. Unfortunately for Chris Brown, his music was okay before, and after the whole Rihanna thing, I refuse to listen to him, because what he did gets in the way of his music, which wasn't all that amazing to begin with.

great? he's really nothing special. i'll happily admit that i own and listen to his music, but he's a much better producer than he is lyricist. if you want to listen to a great rapper, go listen to blackalicious. the mc is gift of gab, and he probably is the greatest rapper of all time, even though he's humble enough not to rap about that. the only thing "great" about kanye is his ego, and not in the "fantastic" sense. this of course is my opinion but if you listen to blackalicious, i think you'll see where i'm coming from. if he wasn't such a little bitch half the time, i don't think i'd be reacting so strongly

[OnLettingGo]

At a Brand New show in Austin someone threw a shirt or something onstage and Jesse told the crowd something to the extent of "I don't care what you people think, I already have your money". Cool guy, get over yourself. Daisy blows. But I didn't stop listening to them because of that, I stopped because they bore me.

that pissed me off so much. not jesse, the guy who threw that shirt. fuckin ruined sowing season. it's not like jesse was just being a douche to be a douche.

[heyguys123]

it depends how good the band is. if it's one of my favorite bands, and i find out there's douchebaggery afoot, i would probably just swallow my pride and deal with it. but under normal circumstances, there's no way i'm giving someone my money who i really dislike as a person.

[magician randu]

Your scene probably sucks and you're boring. Kiss Kiss was the nicest band I've ever dealt with. oh well, i'd probably heckle the terrible opening band too.

maybe the band wasn't the greatest but it wasn't only them.. as for my "scene" i wouldn't be so quick to judge, thats if i fully understand what you mean by my "scene." it was a mistake to be at that there in the first place... though moving mountains puts on a great show.

[JTMcKrackles]

What band members do doesn't really turn me off from the band. For instance, I like Burzum, and Varg burned churches, killed a man, and hates Jews, but I still love Burzum even though I don't support those actions.

[dancelukedance]

I still love Kanye even though he is a gay fish.

:-d

Hahahahaha i watched that episode last night!

[jwicklun]

I saw Fall Out Boy at a show, and Pete Wentz just straight up bothered me. Not in an asshole sort of way, just when he talked he seemed a little pretencious. Still like them, and I hate being on the "I dislike Pete Wentz" cliche, but yeah it affected my experience a little bit.

[cshadows2887]

Chris Brown's "Forever" is one of the best pop songs of the last decade or so. No matter how sad I am to admit that.

[rising_tied]

Oh... Another master of Douchery, even though ima get shit for even bringing up the name, Oli Sykes.
The dudes from AttackAttack! (well a few like Caleb) Can be douchbaggy at times as well, expecially withere their almost instant launch into the spotlight. They feel like their some big shit. Johnny too. Jon seems cool, and Andrew just seems like he wants to fuck around all the time

[blebbio]

Maybe I would if someone was a douche to me personally.

[CheckeredFloors]

still pretty disappointed in them.
theyve done plenty of US tours so you would think they would want to come to a country they havent been too in a while to expand their fanbase and whatnot.

[CheckeredFloors]

That's a really shitty reason to stop listening to a band, dude. Do you like their music or not?
You have no idea what was discussed between them and their management that led them to cancel soundwave. Besides, even if they did cancel just for the tour, put yourself in their shoes. One sweet show vs an entire tour of sweet shows? That's a no brainer.
Sometimes, things get canceled. Your life will go on. They will go back to Australia and when they do, I hope you go, because clearly that band and their music means something to you. That should be what's important.

its actually 5 massive festival shows and likely a few extras in select states.
and its not that their music means a whole lot to me, i like them but they dont mean a whole lot.
its just that this years soundwave is pretty average and behind dance gavin dance they were the second biggest reason i was going.

[CheckeredFloors]

overreacting much?

it was pretty disappointing to find out you paid $160 for something only to find out later that the second best band pulled out to do another american tour

[xapplexpiex]

Oh... Another master of Douchery, even though ima get shit for even bringing up the name, Oli Sykes.
The dudes from AttackAttack! (well a few like Caleb) Can be douchbaggy at times as well, expecially withere their almost instant launch into the spotlight. They feel like their some big shit. Johnny too. Jon seems cool, and Andrew just seems like he wants to fuck around all the time
Didn't Oli pee on someone or something?

[xapplexpiex]

What band members do doesn't really turn me off from the band. For instance, I like Burzum, and Varg burned churches, killed a man, and hates Jews, but I still love Burzum even though I don't support those actions.
Wow. I think you win this.

[JuneJuly]

Still listen to Relient K, still listen to Emarosa. I don't really care about the personalities, I'm not spending time with these guys.

[:-)]

i would be maybe if he wrote his own songs and had more of a hand in their orchestration. to me, he's just a media icon, that screwed up at being just that. Or maybe he succeeded, the media did get get a kick out of the beating.

I don't really care that he doesn't write his own music. He's a pop star, his job is to entertain people - and entertaining people is what he does.
Plus, you cannot deny that he is a VERY talented dancer. And singer. His songs are jams.

[kearn1tm]

I don't care how hardcore a person is about "separating music from art," if that art is indicative of the disgusting ideology of the members, then fuck them and their music. Case in point - any artist that spews oppressive themes in their music will be shunned. If there's a palpable sense of homophobia, misogyny, classism, racism, etc. I'm out.

[cshadows2887]

I don't care how hardcore a person is about "separating music from art," if that art is indicative of the disgusting ideology of the members, then fuck them and their music. Case in point - any artist that spews oppressive themes in their music will be shunned. If there's a palpable sense of homophobia, misogyny, classism, racism, etc. I'm out.

Are there actually bands like that? How do they think it's acceptable?

[kearn1tm]

Are there actually bands like that? How do they think it's acceptable?

Are you serious? Of course. How many Rap, Rock, Pop, etc. acts spew homophobia?

http://current.com/items/91120515_thats-gay-no-homo.htm

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Uh, and yeah, there's tons of acts that are misogynistic, classist, racist, etc.

[cshadows2887]

Are you serious? Of course. How many Rap, Rock, Pop, etc. acts spew homophobia?

http://current.com/items/91120515_thats-gay-no-homo.htm

YJnlPP7jm5s

Uh, and yeah, there's tons of acts that are misogynistic, classist, racist, etc.

Hmm I guess I just don't listen to them. Or their bullshit goes right over my head. That's pretty unfortunate though.

EDIT: Who do you classify as misogynist, our of curiosity? I know people like to throw that term at bands like Brand New, Fall Out Boy or Bob Dylan (not a band, I know) but I don't think that's accurate.

[kearn1tm]

Hmm I guess I just don't listen to them. Or their bullshit goes right over my head. That's pretty unfortunate though.

Some dubious board discussions - Glassjaw's first album and Say Anything trivializing the plight of African Americans (through white privilege). Then again, both of those bands suck regardless of message.

[kearn1tm]

Paula Cole's nostalgia and pining for the patriarchy on this song must be satirical, right?

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[cshadows2887]

Some dubious board discussions - Glassjaw's first album and Say Anything trivializing the plight of African Americans (through white privilege). Then again, both of those bands suck regardless of message.

Yeah I try to repress that particular Say Anything song. I like a lot of their music while still thinking Bemis is a bit of a douche. His lyrics are very faux-controversial anyway, I take them with a grain of salt. I like to think I'm supposed to and he's not just a moron.

[kearn1tm]

Yeah I try to repress that particular Say Anything song. I like a lot of their music while still thinking Bemis is a bit of a douche. His lyrics are very faux-controversial anyway, I take them with a grain of salt. I like to think I'm supposed to and he's not just a moron.

Even if they're satirical (and they're not), his lyrics aren't particularly clever or funny or novel. What's worse is that he is, in fact, sincere about this shit. I'll leave it at that. You like the stuff, so, you know, I won't insult the quality of his music, merely the message.

[cshadows2887]

Even if they're satirical (and they're not), his lyrics aren't particularly clever or funny or novel. What's worse is that he is, in fact, sincere about this shit. I'll leave it at that. You like the stuff, so, you know, I won't insult the quality of his music, merely the message.

Yeah I tend to like his music in spite of his ethos. Whis is why I really don't like the whole second album. When he's writing about relationships, he writes catchy songs, but when he tries to make a point, I tend to press skip.

[:-)]

Chris Brown's "Forever" is one of the best pop songs of the last decade or so. No matter how sad I am to admit that.

That is a massive exaggeration.

[:-)]

I've never listened to Kanye because he's the president, king, and emperor of the douchebags

Pity. You're really missing out on some awesome music.

[x togepi x]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/11/douche.jpg

You're an idiot and a whiner. Find me a band that someone doesn't think sucks and you might have a point. Have you been in a band? You'd know it isn't all sunshine and rainbows. I'd rather have more bands talking shit on stage than be two-faced liars.

maybe the band wasn't the greatest but it wasn't only them.. as for my "scene" i wouldn't be so quick to judge, thats if i fully understand what you mean by my "scene." it was a mistake to be at that there in the first place... though moving mountains puts on a great show.

aren't you also being "so quick to judge" them? Who's to say the other band wasn't pricks to them before the club opened? Who's to say they hadn't played with the other band before and had bad experiences? Who's to say they weren't just joking around and you didn't get it?

This is America. You have the right to tell a band they suck. It's especially commendable when you have the balls to do it to their face instead of waiting to get on the internet to talk shit.

[magician randu]

You're an idiot and a whiner. Find me a band that someone doesn't think sucks and you might have a point. Have you been in a band? You'd know it isn't all sunshine and rainbows. I'd rather have more bands talking shit on stage than be two-faced liars.



aren't you also being "so quick to judge" them? Who's to say the other band wasn't pricks to them before the club opened? Who's to say they hadn't played with the other band before and had bad experiences? Who's to say they weren't just joking around and you didn't get it?

This is America. You have the right to tell a band they suck. It's especially commendable when you have the balls to do it to their face instead of waiting to get on the internet to talk shit.

I've been in a band, i actually am in one now. And i've played out of state so i know this feeling you talk about. Idiot no whiner possibly but i was jut posting my opinion on the thread.

as for being quick to judge im sorry but you are wrong. I arrived with the band (i was with their drummer) and the moment that we all got there the douching began. They had never played a show with this band before, nor was their any friendly joking.

I agree with your third statement. given this was a bad that i enjoyed in the first place i would most definitely still be listening to them. but i never enjoyed them.

[SmeezyBeezy]

Pity. You're really missing out on some awesome music.

I realize that, and I have heard it, and don't think it's that good that it justifies the way he acts. I just can't do it, dude needs to get over himself.

[oliviaemmer]

Yes, but thank God Good Charlotte have always been some awful teen phenomenon anyway.
I like your avatar! :D

[oliviaemmer]

I don't think that should change how you feel about their music, but I can see how a douchey member can turn you off to a band.
Seeing All Time Low live made me like them a lot less.

That sucks about the PBC guy...I hope if I ever meet a blink guy he isn't mean! The PBC guy probably just caught him at a bad time.
why? i liked ATL more after i saw them live.

[x togepi x]

I've been in a band, i actually am in one now. And i've played out of state so i know this feeling you talk about. Idiot no whiner possibly but i was jut posting my opinion on the thread.

I wasn't calling you an idiot. I was calling the person who implied i'd never been in a band because I'm okay with trash talking an idiot. I can see how it'd be confusing with the multiquotes though.

as for being quick to judge im sorry but you are wrong. I arrived with the band (i was with their drummer) and the moment that we all got there the douching began. They had never played a show with this band before, nor was their any friendly joking.

You are being quick to judge though, even if I'm wrong about that certain situation, the point still stands that you don't understand the context that this event occurred in. At the point I met them, they were having problems with their label which was stressing them out. They could have been still dealing with that. I mean the point is that you don't really know them and like others have been pointing out, people have bad days and do stupid and/or mean things on them.

From my experience, the forced niceness that some people think is involved in playing shows or whatever is a lot more problematic than people being dicks.

[KatastrophiE]

I don't really care that he doesn't write his own music. He's a pop star, his job is to entertain people - and entertaining people is what he does.
Plus, you cannot deny that he is a VERY talented dancer. And singer. His songs are jams.

Yes, his job is to entertain people, which is why i recognize him as media icon. I'm not fond of his artistic side, which is what I feel is lacking. I've never been into his music because I feel like so many different hands were apart of it to truly call it his own music. If i wanted to listen to people with good voices in a similar genre that are far more artistically responsible for their own sound i'd listen to ne-yo or boyz ii men. Ya, hes a great dancer and a great singer, but what is a jam?

[rising_tied]

Didn't Oli pee on someone or something?
Thats what they say... He was tried for it and all that shit if im not mistaken, and thats why in one of the songs he said "And after everything you put me through, I shoulda fucking pissed on you". But yea I wasnt even taking that into consideration. He just feels he is too big

[xapplexpiex]

Thats what they say... He was tried for it and all that shit if im not mistaken, and thats why in one of the songs he said "And after everything you put me through, I shoulda fucking pissed on you". But yea I wasnt even taking that into consideration. He just feels he is too big
and also, "i've got a secret on the tip of my tongue" or something like that. I'm not a big BMTH fan :shrug:

[3GunGaz]

Not that I listened to him much before, but I refuse to listen to Chris Brown and can't believe anyone still does, or that TV / Radio still play him .. (well ... I CAN believe it - it's the world we live in). There are certain things that shouldn't be forgotten. I guess I was raised right..

Anyway, beyond that - I wouldn't stop listening to a band simply because I think they're idiots... For the main reason that I don't listen to bands because I think they're cool people. I've been fortunate enough to meet most of my idols and they've ALL seemed like genuinely nice people but I'm sure a lot of people I think are 'cool' are actually 'douches'. That being said, I've never seen enough of them to know if they are in fact nice, and the same goes for people saying 'oh I don't like him, he was mean to me'... people have off days, granted sometimes people are also dickheads... but be optimistic.

[rising_tied]

and also, "i've got a secret on the tip of my tongue" or something like that. I'm not a big BMTH fan :shrug:
"Ive got a secret, its on the tip of my tounge at the back of my lungs"

Idk if thats the same thing. Oli said that it really is a big secret and if the scret got out it would 100% for sure spell the end for BMTH, which i know alotta people wouldnt mind