Deja Entendu vs. The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me

[musicaddicttt]

Let me just say that I'm a bit confused here.

Brand New is an amazing band and have put together 4 amazing albums IMO. But I feel like everyone is so in love with The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me that they fail to recall the brilliance of Deja Entendu.

I will always regard Deja Entendu as the best album Brand New has put together, and I thought it was a commonly held belief until I become a member of this fine site. Even most "best albums of the decade" lists I've seen have had TDAGARIM on the list but never Deja Entendu.

I'm just curious if there are still people on here who agree with me, or if I'm the only one left. And why do people regard one as better than the other?

[TidesBringWaves]

Deja Entendu is the only Brand New album that I really enjoy. It will always be one of my "classic" albums. I just can't get into their "darker" sound for some reason...it doesn't appeal to me.

[j-dogg_69]

Almost all of the staff lists 'of the decade' had Deja on them??? It defenitly gets plenty love on this website (and from me)

[ThePartialGlow]

Deja was one of the first albums I really loved. I rec'd it to everyone who would hear me out. It still has some of my favorite Brand New songs ever (The Boy Who Blocked, Play Crack the Sky, Okay I Believe You, etc.). As my taste has progressed, I simply enjoy the songs on TDAG more now. Jesus, Degausser, You Won't Know, Limousine, Sowing Season, etc. appeal to me more now than Quiet Things and Guernica.

[OnLettingGo]

I think TDAG is BN's best album. But I'm definitely in the minority. Deja is typically regarded as their best effort.

[onelastdisaster]

All of Brand New's albums are completely different which makes it hard to compare them, I think. Deja is absolutely incredible, and is the first album I listened to by BN so it has a special place in my heart. TDAG is amazing though. But so are the other two in my opinion.

[musicaddicttt]

i think a lot of it maybe has to do with what you heard first
deja was one of the first albums i ever really heard that i not only liked, but i really appreciated and realized was a piece of art
though i do feel the same way about TDAG, it just doesn't have that classic appeal i guess...

[uninspired_]

It's not like Deja really gets a bad wrap. Maybe TDAG is just talked about more cause people are talking a lot about Daisy and it makes more sense to compare that to TDAG than to Deja?
I dunno. What's confusing? Why does anyone regard anything as better than something else? (Why isn't this in the Brand New official thread?)

[Scrandon]

Deja Deja Deja Deja!

[yellowhouse]

I feel like that's not true at all. On the contrary, it seems like everyone on this website has a massive hardon for Deja Entendu.

[cshadows2887]

Their first three albums are all equally awesome and entirely different. I can't even pick a favorite. I just know my favorite is not Daisy.

[batmannj]

Deja Deja Deja Deja!

tl;dr

[JTMcKrackles]

YFW > Deja > Daisy > Devil and God

[maxvsmaradona]

Thread is so full of fail.

[Smeee]

Deja is good but TDAG is just on a different level. Their songwriting just improved so much.

[zbrmike79]

Daisy is their best album

[Regards]

I think I can safely blame this website for never wanting to ever listen to Brand New again.

[xjulianx89]

Devil > Deja > YFW > Crap > Daisy

[xjulianx89]

I think I can safely blame this website for never wanting to ever listen to Brand New again.

Ditto.

[heroesofthepast]

love deja more on an album level
like the individual songs on TDAG better though. it doesnt flow too well for me

[heroesofthepast]

Daisy is their best album
fail!

[HometownHero]

I think I can safely blame this website for never wanting to ever listen to Brand New again.

:nod: It gets really fucking old

[zbrmike79]

fail!

ha - i fail cause i don't blinded follow the opinion of AP.net? Daisy is legitamitly their strongest album to date, if you want to argue that go back and listen and get yr head out of yr ass.

[PlacesToGo]

deja is good if you think like thrice (no hate on them) is the most dynamic interesting band in the world and if you still need to get shuttled away from the taking back sundays of the world. how anyone can compare it to the devil is beyond me.

[theguy77]

TDAG is more well-written and well-produced, it's the more technically impressive album. however, i definitely have a stronger connection to Deja. that was the album that made me truly love music, and i dont listen to it much these days, but when i do i still love it like i did 6 years ago.

[crackedthesky]

Let me just say that I'm a bit confused here.

Brand New is an amazing band and have put together 4 amazing albums IMO. But I feel like everyone is so in love with The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me that they fail to recall the brilliance of Deja Entendu.

I will always regard Deja Entendu as the best album Brand New has put together, and I thought it was a commonly held belief until I become a member of this fine site. Even most "best albums of the decade" lists I've seen have had TDAGARIM on the list but never Deja Entendu.

I'm just curious if there are still people on here who agree with me, or if I'm the only one left. And why do people regard one as better than the other?


Fail.

[fightoffyrdmns]

Deja is the album that made me love them, TDAG just took it to the next level.

[Brand-new-123]

This was a totally necessary thread.

[Mibabalou]

i like brand new

[quicksilv001]

If you have to listen to Brand New, make it Devil & God. It's their best, by far.

[ThisIsNotDan]

oh, another Brand New thread. it was needed.

without question their best album is The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me. miles above their other three efforts, they don't hold a candle to that album

[COREhorizon]

So basically you're asking which album we like better? Or are you just mad because not everyone thinks like you?

Either way, kudos for the thread idea, SO original.

[lynch03]

your favorite weapon

[Macbeth.]

Eh Deja just got old, devil&god is better songwriting and just has more to it to keep me listening

[atticus18244fss]

Deja is my personal fav.

[anthonydarko]

I think I can safely blame this website for never wanting to ever listen to Brand New again.
Same here.

[Deadbolt23]

http://www.aarvid238.com/tadpui/Pictures/dead-horse.gif

[Theseventhson]

Deja is hardly brilliant. TDAG is a better record, you can like Deja more, but it's not as good as TDAG.

[Theseventhson]

YFW > Deja > Daisy > Devil and God
The greater signs should be reversed.

[Tautou107]

I feel like I've encountered far more people who love Deja over TDAG :shrug:

I personally prefer TDAG. To me, it just sounds more mature/well-written, etc. But there's also a lot of personal things that influence my preference for it, so yeah.

[xJesusFreakx]

http://www.aarvid238.com/tadpui/Pictures/dead-horse.gif

Beating a dead kangaroo?

The greater signs should be reversed.

Even so, Daisy would need moved.

[IntoTheSun]

Thread is so full of fail.

This.

[Deadbolt23]

Beating a dead kangaroo?




Do you see a pouch?

[Theseventhson]

Even so, Daisy would need moved.
I listen to Daisy more than the first two records. :shrug:

[xJesusFreakx]

Do you see a pouch?

It's a horsaroo?

I listen to Daisy more than the first two records. :shrug:

Not my fault you have a mediocre taste in music, lol. I'd take Deja over Daisy any day. I'm not sure where YFW fits in.

[Theseventhson]

Not my fault you have a mediocre taste in music, lol. I'd take Deja over Daisy any day. I'm not sure where YFW fits in.
I've grown tired of Deja, to be honest.

[oddwithoutend]

The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me is far and away their best album. After that, it doesn't really matter.

[Cyga]

Deja Entendu was 'Hey, let's write some good music.'

Devil and God was 'Hey, let's write a terribly-flowing collection of upset-for-the-sake-of-being-upset songs.'

At least for me.

[Machu505]

Your Favorite Weapon sucks. Daisy sucks. Deja Entendu is good. The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is better.

[IntoTheSun]

It doesn't fucking matter, people.

[xJesusFreakx]

I've grown tired of Deja, to be honest.

Fair enough. I still really enjoy it. (Either way, though, I just don't like Daisy.)

[Theseventhson]

Deja Entendu was 'Hey, let's write some good music.'

Devil and God was 'Hey, let's write a terribly-flowing collection of upset-for-the-sake-of-being-upset songs.'

At least for me.
This last statement doesn't make any sense.

[Theseventhson]

Fair enough. I still really enjoy it. (Either way, though, I just don't like Daisy.)
It's not a great record, but I think the songs are fun to listen to. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[Cyga]

This last statement doesn't make any sense.
In my humblest opinion?

I don't care, the fact is that TDAG is monotonous dribble, wheras Deja is dribble with a little bit of variety.

[3GunGaz]

Deja Entendu is my favourite album of theirs.. this is all I have to say.

[oddwithoutend]

It doesn't fucking matter, people.
Settle.

[oddwithoutend]

In my humblest opinion?

I don't care, the fact is that TDAG is monotonous dribble, wheras Deja is dribble with a little bit of variety.
haha

[IntoTheSun]

Settle.

...baby, you are not the sun?

Seriously though, we needed another Brand New thread to talk about the same shit. Joy.

[aoftbsten]

Devil and God.

[oddwithoutend]

...baby, you are not the sun?
You may set on me?

[oddwithoutend]

Seriously though, we needed another Brand New thread to talk about the same shit. Joy.
It's January 21, thought to be the most depressing day of the year. Let them play!

[IntoTheSun]

You may set on me?

Haha, not too sure what that means, but edited my last post.

[Burn That Shit]

this could easily have been placed in the brand new thread, where it would garner less stupid people.

[IntoTheSun]

It's January 21, thought to be the most depressing day of the year. Let them play!

Quote me somewhere else haha, now I feel bad that I keep bumping this thread when I just trashed it!

Oh, that's why I'm having a bad day today, duh.

[oddwithoutend]

Haha, not too sure what that means, but edited my last post.
I thought the line was "You may set on me but you are not the sun"

[zubinmoosa]

I was surprised at the lack of TDAG on staff's Decade lists. For me:

TDAG > Deja > Daisy > YFW

[Hagysaurus Rex]

IMHO, TDAG is much "better", and by "better" i mean "better songwriting, better song structuring, better instrumentation, much more complex, a lot more technical, and more creative in its execution."

That being said, I still prefer to listen to deja at times. To each their own preference.

Edit: Holy Thread Derailment, Batman. I should have taken this to the BN thread instead.

[musicaddicttt]

So basically you're asking which album we like better? Or are you just mad because not everyone thinks like you?

Either way, kudos for the thread idea, SO original.

hah thanks ill take those kudos

I'm just surprised so many people like TDAG over Deja....yeah of course my bias and opinion factor in but when i listened to Deja when it was released I thought it was one of the most complete albums i'd ever heard...

i expected to see most people on here being more divided or swaying towards Deja when I joined, but from what I've seen there has been a lot of pull towards TDAG...and most of the "best of the decade" lists (i have seen) have listed TDAG without mentioning Deja...which shocks me..
i feel like even if you love TDAG more than Deja, you at least still have to throw it on the list and recognize it as an amazing album of the decade

[IntoTheSun]

I thought the line was "You may set on me but you are not the sun"

I always thought it was "settle baby", but we don't need another BN lyrics debate. I guess we'll just have to wait until the LP comes. Did you order?

[oddwithoutend]

I always thought it was "settle baby", but we don't need another BN lyrics debate. I guess we'll just have to wait until the LP comes. Did you order?
I did not, but I'll get it at some point. It's going to include the lyrics then?

[Burn That Shit]

hah thanks ill take those kudos

I'm just surprised so many people like TDAG over Deja....yeah of course my bias and opinion factor in but when i listened to Deja when it was released I thought it was one of the most complete albums i'd ever heard...

i expected to see most people on here being more divided or swaying towards Deja when I joined, but from what I've seen there has been a lot of pull towards TDAG...and most of the "best of the decade" lists (i have seen) have listed TDAG without mentioning Deja...which shocks me..
i feel like even if you love TDAG more than Deja, you at least still have to throw it on the list and recognize it as an amazing album of the decade

it's just some pop punk album, man.

[Theseventhson]

hah thanks ill take those kudos

I'm just surprised so many people like TDAG over Deja....yeah of course my bias and opinion factor in but when i listened to Deja when it was released I thought it was one of the most complete albums i'd ever heard...

i expected to see most people on here being more divided or swaying towards Deja when I joined, but from what I've seen there has been a lot of pull towards TDAG...and most of the "best of the decade" lists (i have seen) have listed TDAG without mentioning Deja...which shocks me..
i feel like even if you love TDAG more than Deja, you at least still have to throw it on the list and recognize it as an amazing album of the decade
No, no, no, no, no.

[jm105483]

Probably going to get lots of hate, but I think both are reaaalllyy overated albums. The drumming in both is terrible, and the guitar is incredibly repetitive. I really wish Lacey was surrounded with some better musicians.

[IntoTheSun]

I did not, but I'll get it at some point. It's going to include the lyrics then?

Yup.

[Burn That Shit]

Probably going to get lots of hate, but I think both are reaaalllyy overated albums. The drumming in both is terrible, and the guitar is incredibly repetitive. I really wish Lacey was surrounded with some better musicians.

it's like they were writing an alternative rock album or something.

[Chrisj182]

Yay, Brand New thread 6453879798.

Deja Entendu for me though.

[oddwithoutend]

Yup.
Yeah?

[pleasedontask]

Agree wit hthe opinion of their first 3 being equal and Daisy being decent but their worst.

[IntoTheSun]

Yeah?

Oh, you turd.

[COREhorizon]

Probably going to get lots of hate, but I think both are reaaalllyy overated albums. The drumming in both is terrible, and the guitar is incredibly repetitive. I really wish Lacey was surrounded with some better musicians.

haha nice avatar

[oddwithoutend]

O9tOXGSVfBQ

[roughroads]

Deja get's a lot more love the TDAGARIM for sure.
both great albums, but deja definitely gets more love

[cshadows2887]

I always thought it was "settle baby", but we don't need another BN lyrics debate. I guess we'll just have to wait until the LP comes. Did you order?

You guys debate that too?!?!?!

I always fought for "Settle baby." Nobody had my back.

[IntoTheSun]

O9tOXGSVfBQ

This just made my day:-)

[SophGod]

TDAG is better than Deja on every single level.

[oddwithoutend]

This just made my day:-)
ha Love that song.

[IntoTheSun]

ha Love that song.

The Mr. Happy Squid with his psychedelic moves made me laugh out loud, fo'sho.

We seem to have very high music compatibilty, except for those obscure black metal-something bands you listen to...

[oddwithoutend]

The Mr. Happy Squid with his psychedelic moves made me laugh out loud, fo'sho.
ha Yeah, definitely the best part.
We seem to have very high music compatibilty, except for those obscure black metal-something bands you listen to...
ha Does this mean I have to stop calling you Blandrea?

[re7ard1337]

TDAG is just more mature than Deja. But to be honest, all of the albums that Brand New has released are all so completely different that they cannot really be compared. You can like one more than another, or not at all, but I don't really think you can say any are better than others.

[IntoTheSun]

ha Yeah, definitely the best part.
I am in the middle of checking out this dude's music right now. Does he have an official thread? If not, we should make one.

ha Does this mean I have to stop calling you Blandrea?
Well of course! I'm not bland at all...you Canadians and your assumption making.

[oddwithoutend]

I am in the middle of checking out this dude's music right now. Does he have an official thread? If not, we should make one.
Oh, there is one.
Well of course! I'm not bland at all...you Canadians and your assumption making.
:-)

[heroesofthepast]

ha - i fail cause i don't blinded follow the opinion of AP.net? Daisy is legitamitly their strongest album to date, if you want to argue that go back and listen and get yr head out of yr ass.
i actually like daisy a lot too. i just dont think it is anywhere near the quality of Deja or TDAG

[MegalomaniacFM]

YFW > Deja > Daisy > Devil and God

Quite possibly the worst order of their albums.

[And Hours Pass]

I feel like that's not true at all. On the contrary, it seems like everyone on this website has a massive hardon for Deja Entendu.

I hate Brand New, but I hear more about Deja Entendu than anything else (other than the ever-raging debates about whether Daisy was any good).

I think I can safely blame this website for never wanting to ever listen to Brand New again.

Yup.

:nod: It gets really fucking old

As usual, you've said what I came to say. Well played good man.

[Brand-new-123]

I am in the middle of checking out this dude's music right now. Does he have an official thread? If not, we should make one.


Well of course! I'm not bland at all...you Canadians and your assumption making.

Oh, there is one.

:-)
I just wanted to drop in and say that Devendra Banhart is the man.

[IntoTheSun]

I just wanted to drop in and say that Devendra Banhart is the man.

That song's awesome. What should album should I get?

[Brand-new-123]

That song's awesome. What should album should I get?
My favorite by far is "Rejoicing In The Hands" but I would look into getting all of them.

[Cyga]

haha
Yeah, I agree, the mediocrity of TDAG that people obsess over is laughable.

[IntoTheSun]

Yeah, I agree, the mediocrity of TDAG that people obsess over is laughable.

haha

The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me is far and away their best album. After that, it doesn't really matter.

haha

[Cyga]

haha
This sudden realization that TDAG is one of the least enticing, most boring, monotonous albums of the 2000s has created a contagious laughter that will never cease!!!!!

Eh, not one of the worst of the 2000s, but it's nothing special.

[IntoTheSun]

This sudden realization that TDAG is one of the least enticing, most boring, monotonous albums of the 2000s has created a contagious laughter that will never cease!!!!!

haha

Seriously though, thank you for the laughter. You unintentional amusement is just too good. Carry on with your TDAG-bashing. I have already stated what I felt about this thread. Also, I edited my last post if you still don't understand.

[Cyga]

haha

Seriously though, thank you for the laughter. You unintentional amusement is just too good. Carry on with your TDAG-bashing. I have already stated what I felt about this thread. Also, I edited my last post if you still don't understand.
Oh no, I completely understand that you're amused by such a mediocre form of expression, and really the only reason I continue to return to reiterate why it's not a very good album is because I get 'haha'd (because it's far more intellectually stimulating than actually arguing why I'm wrong).

[SophGod]

You can actually feel the emotion in TDAG. Plus, acoustic guitars are overused in Deja.

[cshadows2887]

Oh no, I completely understand that you're amused by such a mediocre form of expression, and really the only reason I continue to return to reiterate why it's not a very good album is because I get 'haha'd (because it's far more intellectually stimulating than actually arguing why I'm wrong).

Because there's no arguing with Brand New haters. Plain and simple.

[Cyga]

Because there's no arguing with Brand New haters. Plain and simple.
I don't hate Brand New, I actually quite like 'Deja Entendu', and I don't 'hate' TDAG really, it's just coated with monotony and a few very powerful tracks along with some followers.

[IntoTheSun]

Oh no, I completely understand that you're amused by such a mediocre form of expression, and really the only reason I continue to return to reiterate why it's not a very good album is because I get 'haha'd

Yes, today has just been full of laughter.
(because it's far more intellectually stimulating than actually arguing why I'm wrong).

Maybe it's because no one cares whatever the hell you think and would rather discuss something else than reiterate every 98745983948 regurgitated opinion about TDAG?

[Cyga]

Yes, today has just been full of laughter.


Maybe it's because no one cares whatever the hell you think and would rather discuss something else than reiterate every 98745983948 regurgitated opinion about TDAG?
If there's something you would rather discuss, why would you even regard my opinion? Why purposely go out of your way to laugh at me for having an opinion instead of just ignoring me and letting it die? Does seeing something you've seen done before really fill you with such self-reighteousness?

[Brand-new-123]

If there's something you would rather discuss, why would you even regard my opinion? Why purposely go out of your way to laugh at me for having an opinion instead of just ignoring me and letting it die? Does seeing something you've seen done before really fill you with such self-reighteousness?
So, I clicked on your profile to see what music you do enjoy (http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Clutnuckle/least_dreadful_listening_experience s__favorite_albums). I was pleasantly surprised. I liked TDAG, but I wouldn't argue that it was anything spectacular. It was just an enjoyable and decent album.

[IntoTheSun]

If there's something you would rather discuss, why would you even regard my opinion? Why purposely go out of your way to laugh at me for having an opinion instead of just ignoring me and letting it die? Does seeing something you've seen done before really fill you with such self-reighteousness?
Because it was very amusing and your posts were rather cute. It wasn't anything I needed to go out of my way to do.

[cshadows2887]

I don't hate Brand New, I actually quite like 'Deja Entendu', and I don't 'hate' TDAG really, it's just coated with monotony and a few very powerful tracks along with some followers.

And there are a lot of people who disagree with you. And they're just as entitled to love it as you are to think it's meh. There's no need for the snideness on either side.

EDIT: Rather than coming in to hate on a record, why not talk about which one you like more? You're looking for a fight to come into a Brand New thread and trash TDAG.

[Cyga]

And there are a lot of people who disagree with you. And they're just as entitled to love it as you are to think it's meh. There's no need for the snideness on either side.
I really don't feel like I got snide until other took it upon themselves to call my opinion laughable.

Either way, the simple schoolyard retort 'they started it' will suffice.

EDIT: I did comment on which I liked, but I felt the need to mention why TDAG did not meet my expectations. Not a one-way street type of thing, etc.

[IntoTheSun]

I really don't feel like I got snide until other took it upon themselves to call my opinion laughable.

Either way, the simple schoolyard retort 'they started it' will suffice.

EDIT: I did comment on which I liked, but I felt the need to mention why TDAG did not meet my expectations. Not a one-way street type of thing, etc.

Right. Because you were being so constructive about it. I was laughing at the irony and the fact that I knew the guy you were quoting, not at the fact that you didn't like TDAG. And I missed the sarcasm the second time around, unfortunately. I don't have anything against you, dude. We were being a bit snide on both sides.

[SophGod]

This thread is now about the type of toothpaste you use. Colgate, represent.

[Brand-new-123]

people actually brush their teeth?

I'm from Kentucky

[Brokenhill]

While I have grown out of Brand New, currently (but possibly only temporarily) at the point where when I see an album cover, or a band members name, or a song title, I immediatly get disgusted...I still feel that 'TDAG...' is better. I don't even have to go past what Sophos said, but 'TDAG...' has more variety, texture, better flow, more powerful vocals and lyrics, etc.

[oddwithoutend]

haha
haha

[Cyga]

Right. Because you were being so constructive about it. I was laughing at the irony and the fact that I knew the guy you were quoting, not at the fact that you didn't like TDAG. And I missed the sarcasm the second time around, unfortunately. I don't have anything against you, dude. We were being a bit snide on both sides.
I only started being deconstructive when the gloves came off, but most definitely. I don't plan to put any negative connotations on anybody I've quarreled with here over this; It's completely for the sake of discussion/argument/whatever.

[SophGod]

people actually brush their teeth?

I'm from Kentucky

Yes, it's flossing that no one does. Well, I do it twice a year. the two times a year i go to the dentist. and even then I'm not doing it, the dentist is.

[oddwithoutend]

Yeah, I agree, the mediocrity of TDAG that people obsess over is laughable.
Implying that I obsess over The Devil and God... makes you look really stupid.

[Brand-new-123]

http://blog.dentistfindersandiego.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/pulling-teeth.jpg
This relates to both subjects being discussed.

[Cyga]

Implying that I obsess over The Devil and God... makes you look really stupid.
I wasn't directly targeting you. Eventually, I just wanted to speak generally. I really wouldn't say I know enough to make such a bold claim.

[SophGod]

I bought the colgate mouth wash stuff (fuck you, listerine) and it makes me feel like a new man every time i use it.

[IntoTheSun]

http://blog.dentistfindersandiego.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/pulling-teeth.jpg
This relates to both subjects being discussed.

HAHAHAHA.

So true. That should go in the original post.

[IntoTheSun]

people actually brush their teeth?

I'm from Kentucky

Disgusting!

[jsmusicbox]

just saw brand new in concert earlier this year and even though i got totally beat up and thrashed around at it, definitely a great experience.

they're amazing live. amazing.

[Brokenhill]

just saw brand new in concert earlier this year and even though i got totally beat up and thrashed around at it, definitely a great experience.

they're amazing live. amazing.

Thursday is amazing live, and BN isn't even close to Thursday, so...

[Brand-new-123]

HAHAHAHA.

So true. That should go in the original post.
Of all the tedious subjects, Brand New and teeth brushing.

[Brand-new-123]

Disgusting!
I decided this was a good thread to up my post count in.

[SophGod]

Thursday is amazing live, and BN isn't even close to Thursday, so...

this. I saw Brand New live in October and I thought it was the second best concert (behind Thrice/Alkaline Trio/Rise Against concert) I had ever been to. Then I saw Thursday live 2 months later, and they absolutely shattered both of those concerts.

[spoonman159]

I think The Devil and God is their best work (not by much tho) simply because the jump from Deja was such a massive progression for them as song writers, as well as the fact that its much more experimental than anything they had ever released. What totally blows me away is the people in this thread that are referring to Daisy as some piece garbage. Granted Daisy is so much different than any of their previous work, but Daisy is a brilliant album in my opinion.

[Brokenhill]

this. I saw Brand New live in October and I thought it was the second best concert (behind Thrice/Alkaline Trio/Rise Against concert) I had ever been to. Then I saw Thursday live 2 months later, and they absolutely shattered both of those concerts.

I don't even have experience with either, but just from YT I can tell. Actually though, in October '08 I was supposed to see Brand New with Thrice and MeWithoutYou, but my friend's parents wouldn't let him since it was like a school night. But now that i'm not a fan of BN anymore, I doubt i'll get around to seeing them.

[whenyourearound]

deja entendu eff tee dubbs

[Theseventhson]

Oh no, I completely understand that you're amused by such a mediocre form of expression, and really the only reason I continue to return to reiterate why it's not a very good album is because I get 'haha'd (because it's far more intellectually stimulating than actually arguing why I'm wrong).
So because you think a record is boring, it's not a good record? Wut? Come up with a legitimate reason why it's a bad record and then we'll talk.

[Cyga]

So because you think a record is boring, it's not a good record? Wut? Come up with a legitimate reason why it's a bad record and then we'll talk.
I stated quite a few reasons why it was poor, beyond my personal feelings. You could go back and read them if you'd like.

[Theseventhson]

I stated quite a few reasons why it was poor, beyond my personal feelings. You could go back and read them if you'd like.
All I see is monotonous and boring, and something about it being sad. May I ask you how it's a monotonous record?

[Cyga]

All I see is monotonous and boring, and something about it being sad. May I ask you how it's a monotonous record?

1. lacking in variety; tediously unvarying

That about says it all. Atmospherically, it's a step-up from Deja, but that atmosphere is so uniform to its counterparts that it's frankly boring to hear the album in its entirety. My quarrel is not that it is sad; It's that it's purposely giving off a negative sound just for the sake of seeming that way. It doesn't feel organic at all. And the boring, well, that's not true for the individual songs, which I find are actually quite nice -- as a whole, it's not a special album at all.

[IntoTheSun]

1. lacking in variety; tediously unvarying

That about says it all. Atmospherically, it's a step-up from Deja, but that atmosphere is so uniform to its counterparts that it's frankly boring to hear the album in its entirety. My quarrel is not that it is sad; It's that it's purposely giving off a negative sound just for the sake of seeming that way. It doesn't feel organic at all. And the boring, well, that's not true for the individual songs, which I find are actually quite nice -- as a whole, it's not a special album at all.

Haha, are you talking about Daisy?

TDAG was written when several family members and friends of BN had passed away. It certainly wasn't a constructed emotion they were portraying in the album.

[SophGod]

1. lacking in variety; tediously unvarying

That about says it all. Atmospherically, it's a step-up from Deja, but that atmosphere is so uniform to its counterparts that it's frankly boring to hear the album in its entirety. My quarrel is not that it is sad; It's that it's purposely giving off a negative sound just for the sake of seeming that way. It doesn't feel organic at all. And the boring, well, that's not true for the individual songs, which I find are actually quite nice -- as a whole, it's not a special album at all.

How can you say that when it's been said several times that when the band entered the studio, TDAG just poured out of them. They were actually feeling those feelings, they didn't make a record with those feelings for the sake of having a record with those feelings, they made a record with those feelings because that's actually how they felt.

[Cyga]

Regardless of whether or not they had personal attachments, it doesn't sound organic. It seems like they forced themselves into darkness for no good reason. I wouldn't claim to be such a bright psychoanalyst. I'm sure many things came from the heart, but the way they portrayed those emotions is anything but natural for them.

Though I will admit Daisy is definitely a step far further in this direction, TDAG is the harbinger.

[Theseventhson]

Regardless of whether or not they had personal attachments, it doesn't sound organic. It seems like they forced themselves into darkness for no good reason. I wouldn't claim to be such a bright psychoanalyst. I'm sure many things came from the heart, but the way they portrayed those emotions is anything but natural for them.

Though I will admit Daisy is definitely a step far further in this direction, TDAG is the harbinger.
Wait! You mean the band...progressed???

[xJesusFreakx]

Regardless of whether or not they had personal attachments, it doesn't sound organic. It seems like they forced themselves into darkness for no good reason. I wouldn't claim to be such a bright psychoanalyst. I'm sure many things came from the heart, but the way they portrayed those emotions is anything but natural for them.

Though I will admit Daisy is definitely a step far further in this direction, TDAG is the harbinger.

You do know that a bunch of people they knew died while they were writing TDAG, to the point where attending funerals became normal for them, and that "Limousine" is about a girl that was killed by a drunk driver they heard about, right? I tend to assume this is common knowledge, since it's common knowledge to the regulars of the Brand New thread, but it kind of sounds like you didn't know this.

[Burn That Shit]

first 6 tracks of TDAG is easily the best thing this band has ever done. don't understand how any of tdag seems phoned in, i'd more likely believe that in their early work or even daisy. usually when someone describes something as montonous, it means they simply just don't like the sound in general, so you could just say that instead of dancing around it.

[xJesusFreakx]

I'd like to see this thread continue until it gets archived and we have "DE vs TDAG (Official Thread 2)," so that we can have two Brand New chat threads. We totally need that.

[monochromatic]

I didn't start listening to brand new until some months ago, and getting both deja and tdag at the same time, deja was love at first listen, and found i didnt like tdag for awhile but found i ended up liking it better for a longer period of time, and enjoy the lyrics in tdag much more than deja.

[IntoTheSun]

I didn't start listening to brand new until some months ago, and getting both deja and tdag at the same time, deja was love at first listen, and found i didnt like tdag for awhile but found i ended up liking it better for a longer period of time, and enjoy the lyrics in tdag much more than deja.

Hi :wave: Not to scare you or anything, but I've seen you around a bit today and I can already tell you are a great poster. Welcome to the forum.

[flks511]

The Devil and God was their masterpiece. Period.

[BemisIsJesus]

Its hard to say which is the best. Each album has songs that are incredible, and all have some that are a bit lack luster. If i had to pick one i guess i would say Deja, but not by much.

[maxvsmaradona]

Aha, oh my.

[xJesusFreakx]

Hi :wave: Not to scare you or anything, but I've seen you around a bit today and I can already tell you are a great poster. Welcome to the forum.

Comments like this aren't scary until you have to go out of your way to tell me not to be scared.

[yellowhouse]

I hate Brand New, but I hear more about Deja Entendu than anything else (other than the ever-raging debates about whether Daisy was any good).

Haha. I love Daisy. I can honestly see it being my favorite Brand New album at some point in the future.

[danielineffigy]

Deja is better than Daisy in my opinion, but nothing touches TDAG.

[Cuddleworthy]

So, I clicked on your profile to see what music you do enjoy (http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Clutnuckle/least_dreadful_listening_experience s__favorite_albums). I was pleasantly surprised. I liked TDAG, but I wouldn't argue that it was anything spectacular. It was just an enjoyable and decent album.

motion city soundtrack on the same list as stars of the lid and arvo part? kind of like spitting #1?

lol

[xxemo_kittyxx]

How did this come about, isn't this the kind of thing people should be discussing like, 3 years ago?

[UnderJOath]

I feel Brand New has been able to set a different tone for each album they've released thus far. I don't think I can rate one above the other as they are all great in different ways. They are truly a talented band.

[yellowhouse]

I hate Brand New, but I hear more about Deja Entendu than anything else (other than the ever-raging debates about whether Daisy was any good).

Haha. I love Daisy. I can honestly see it being my favorite Brand New album at some point in the future.

[dancelukedance]

Let me just say that I'm a bit confused here.

Brand New is an amazing band and have put together 4 amazing albums IMO. But I feel like everyone is so in love with The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me that they fail to recall the brilliance of Deja Entendu.

I will always regard Deja Entendu as the best album Brand New has put together, and I thought it was a commonly held belief until I become a member of this fine site. Even most "best albums of the decade" lists I've seen have had TDAGARIM on the list but never Deja Entendu.

I'm just curious if there are still people on here who agree with me, or if I'm the only one left. And why do people regard one as better than the other?

Haha...

My favourite album is TDAGARIM

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Deja was good because it was both accessible and revolutionary for the band, although the latter description can be used for all their albums post-Your Favorite Weapon. With a band that continues to grow like them, I think in the end preference just comes down to personal liking rather than objective reasons.

[theband]

Fail.

Hahahaha I laughed outloud at that. Well played.

[Paulb-182]

The Devil And God is definitely seen as their best album by nearly everyone except the people who use this site. I see The Devil And God as their best, and by a country mile.

[pennie]

i love deja, i love tdag, i love daisy, i love the no seatbelt song

[spoonman159]

Your Favorite Weapon is probly Brand News worst cd, but its still an excellent album. In comparison to the rest of their work its obviously very amateur sounding, but what do you expect from a band's first release? It was intended to appeal to a younger crowd, and at the time of its release that style of songwriting (tracks based on people's relationships) was extremely popular. Even though, with each album after YFW, they have vastly improved on their ability to write lyrics and compose songs, YFW is still a great album to go back and listen to.

[Cyga]

Wait! You mean the band...progressed???
If you think progression is forcing yourself, then sure.

[Cyga]

You do know that a bunch of people they knew died while they were writing TDAG, to the point where attending funerals became normal for them, and that "Limousine" is about a girl that was killed by a drunk driver they heard about, right? I tend to assume this is common knowledge, since it's common knowledge to the regulars of the Brand New thread, but it kind of sounds like you didn't know this.
I am perfectly aware of all of that.

That still doesn't make the music feel real, especially since 'Hey I'm upset!' doesn't equate to 'Everything is in minor!'. It's almost like they took the dictionary definition of 'unhappiness' and stapled it onto their sound.

motion city soundtrack on the same list as stars of the lid and arvo part? kind of like spitting #1?

lol
I tend to go by favoritism and don't obsess with having others seem impressed by what I'm interested in listening to.

[Burn That Shit]

sad songs sure do sound good in a major key. great point.

[Cyga]

sad songs sure do sound good in a major key. great point.
This is definitely what I meant, too. Great job.

[Burn That Shit]

This is definitely what I meant, too. Great job.

I am perfectly aware of all of that.

That still doesn't make the music feel real, especially since 'Hey I'm upset!' doesn't equate to 'Everything is in minor!'. It's almost like they took the dictionary definition of 'unhappiness' and stapled it onto their sound.

right.

[wuduprod]

pwnd

[pennie]

Seems like someone's tellin porkies!

[Theseventhson]

If you think progression is forcing yourself, then sure.
So you know the band forced themselves? You cam prove this to me? No? Hush, child.

[Theseventhson]

Not the Sun is such a sad sounding song, you guys. Every time I hear I think of what it says in the dictionary about the word sad.

[ate_teenfourevr]

it doesn't matter in the end because Your Favorite Weapon was leaps and bounds the best album.

[SophGod]

So you know the band forced themselves? You cam prove this to me? No? Hush, child.

We've told him over and over that the band didn't force himself. His argument is that it sounds like they did, even if they didn't.

[UnderJOath]

I heard it was forced harder than that crap Jesse took one time after he ate an entire bag of peanuts.

[monochromatic]

Hi :wave: Not to scare you or anything, but I've seen you around a bit today and I can already tell you are a great poster. Welcome to the forum.

hey! :wave:
when i saw i was quoted i was thinking oh no.. what am i been bitched about already, but thanks so much for the welcoming! :)

[11:11]

I'm in the minority whose least-favorite Brand New album is Deja. TDAG is my favorite.

[Cuddleworthy]

I tend to go by favoritism and don't obsess with having others seem impressed by what I'm interested in listening to.

yes, of course, just like everyone else. it's still ridiculous and funny

[imchriswalken]

I mean, I think I finally understand the whole "we're getting old and don't think of ourselves as a band anymore blah blah" argument, but to me... it's like they weren't the same people. The last time I saw Brand New, I just realized that I didn't care about them anymore. Sure, they might have been growing musically, and I'll admit that "The Devil and God" is a solid album, but... I just don't care. I'm not even sure when Daisy actually came out. I'll admit that I'm a "Your Favorite Weapon" and "Deja Entendu" kid, but still. It's like they just lost the spark they had.

Come to think of it, Thrice is doing the same thing.

[IntoTheSun]

Oh great.

[cshadows2887]

Oh great.

lol

[theastronaut22]

I mean, I think I finally understand the whole "we're getting old and don't think of ourselves as a band anymore blah blah" argument, but to me... it's like they weren't the same people. The last time I saw Brand New, I just realized that I didn't care about them anymore. Sure, they might have been growing musically, and I'll admit that "The Devil and God" is a solid album, but... I just don't care. I'm not even sure when Daisy actually came out. I'll admit that I'm a "Your Favorite Weapon" and "Deja Entendu" kid, but still. It's like they just lost the spark they had.

Come to think of it, Thrice is doing the same thing.

I totally agree--I feel that they have all grown tremendously as musicians; however, I also feel like the raw and genuine essence of their music has been lost. Granted, I'm sure they don't have the same attachments to much of their old material circa Deja and Weapon---but in my opinion, that's when they were at their best.

and I also feel like with Daisy.. they're starting to really enjoy their music again... that's if Jesse doesn't forget his big boy pants this time around